Krauthammer....Obama's continued attacks on Bush are disgusting & beyond disgraceful

[Penny in WV]

Video of Krauthammer talking about Obama and his stragety in Afgan...says his constant attacks on Bush are disgusting and beyond disgraceful. Says his behavior is childish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b4jidKlqws&feature=player_embedded#

[reflechissez]

of course he would say that. you expected something else?

[gb2004]

of course he would say that. you expected something else?

What would you call his behavior?

[reflechissez]

What would you call his behavior?

predictable

[Penny in WV]

of course he would say that. you expected something else?

_____________________

What does that even mean? First off, Krauthammer is very well respected...secondly, he's right, Obama whines like a baby and always blames someone else for his shortcomings.


Quote of the Day:
"As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials."

Newt Gingrich, hat tip to CJ and Marcus

[Penny in WV]

predictable

______________________

"present."

[clearcarbon]

TOTUS: It's Bush's fault!
(Repeat in 90 seconds - stutter and mumble between)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/kery/Obma/bush2baby300.jpg

[reflechissez]

_____________________

What does that even mean? First off, Krauthammer is very well respected...secondly, he's right, Obama whines like a baby and always blames someone else for his shortcomings.


Quote of the Day:
"As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials."

Newt Gingrich

what does respectability by some have to do with predictability? i was not aware that he was an obama supporter. are you suggesting he is?

[Penny in WV]

what does respectability by some have to do with predictability? i was not aware that he was an obama supporter. are you suggesting he is?

___________________

Does it matter if he is or not, he speaks the truth...hurts huh?

[reflechissez]

___________________

Does it matter if he is or not, he speaks the truth...hurts huh?

doesn't hurt at all. opinions are never truths. they're just opinions. why bother getting addled about every negative comment made by conservatives?

[Grapes]

Those comments were 100% correct.

Add cowardly to disgusting & disgraceful.

[Penny in WV]

doesn't hurt at all. opinions are never truths. they're just opinions. why bother getting addled about every negative comment made by conservatives?

___________________________

Wow...that's some good kool-aid you got there.

[northshoreguy]

krauthammer is smart, truthful and right on with this assessment in my opinion. although maybe we should not complain, the more o' whines the more credibilty he loses ... so, on second thought ... BOOOOOOOSH dunit'!

[Let Freedom Reign]

_____________________

What does that even mean? First off, Krauthammer is very well respected...secondly, he's right, Obama whines like a baby and always blames someone else for his shortcomings.


Quote of the Day:
"As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials."

Newt Gingrich, hat tip to CJ and Marcus

+ 10 :pray: :flag:

[chico53]

_____________________

What does that even mean? First off, Krauthammer is very well respected...secondly, he's right, Obama whines like a baby and always blames someone else for his shortcomings.


Quote of the Day:
"As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials."

Newt Gingrich, hat tip to CJ and Marcus

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.

[reflechissez]

___________________________

Wow...that's some good kool-aid you got there.

you mean i'm SUPPOSED to get torqued every day by what people i don't know and don't care about have to say? is that what it means to be a conservative?

[reflechissez]

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.

oh, cut them some slack. they have to get happiness wherever they can find it. fox news is a good place for that.

[mgifford]

Video of Krauthammer talking about Obama and his stragety in Afgan...says his constant attacks on Bush are disgusting and beyond disgraceful. Says his behavior is childish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b4jidKlqws&feature=player_embedded#

Charles seems to always have a non biased & very informative opinion. My hero!

[Middy]

_____________________

What does that even mean? First off, Krauthammer is very well respected...secondly, he's right, Obama whines like a baby and always blames someone else for his shortcomings.


Quote of the Day:
"As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him the White House based on the same credentials."

Newt Gingrich, hat tip to CJ and Marcus


Yes, Krautthammer is 100% right. Obama is disgusting and disgraceful. He behaves like a very immature, classless, egotistical individual who can't except blame for anything and gets peevish when others find reasons to criticize him.

He got elected because of soaring rhetoric and Bush hatred; not because he ever accomplished anything relevant. He still is an empty suit spouting empty words, and more and more people are starting to see the disappointing truth about this poor excuse for a President. He's pathetically over his head.

[reflechissez]

Yes, Krautthammer is 100% right. Obama is disgusting and disgraceful. He behaves like a very immature, classless, egotistical individual who can't except blame for anything and gets peevish when others find reasons to criticize him.

He got elected because of soaring rhetoric and Bush hatred; not because he ever accomplished anything relevant. He still is an empty suit spouting empty words, and more and more people are starting to see the disappointing truth about this poor excuse for a President. He's pathetically over his head.

fox news called. they need a new anchor who already knows the talking points.

[Middy]

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.


You're so very wrong once again. Krauthammer is widely respected. He has more wisdom in his little finger than Obama can ever hope to acquire. Obama's most dominant trait is his gigantic ego. His love affair with himself is anything but presidential, and it is seriously preventing him from making sound judgments.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Everyone knows criticizing the former president is only acceptable if it's a Democrat.

[Mohawk5]

The Kraut is on it as usual.

I think listening to him during the Bush years helped me wake up at the end.

[chico53]

You're so very wrong once again. Krauthammer is widely respected. He has more wisdom in his little finger than Obama can ever hope to acquire. Obama's most dominant trait is his gigantic ego. His love affair with himself is anything but presidential, and it is seriously preventing him from making sound judgments.

Sounds to be like you are describing cranky Krauthammer here. Never heard a man talk so much and say so little that has any value. But he is a Foxie so I presume that means he gets a pass from the right.

[Freedom4Me]

This Op-Ed by Charles was picked up in today's Cincinnati Enquirer. Great piece, Charles taking Obama to the woodshed on Afghanistan.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091030/COL24/910300371/1019/EDIT/Mr.+Obama++war+is+not+a+blame+game

In the Barack Obama version, there are 50 or so such blame-Bush free passes before the gig is up. By my calculation, Obama has already burned through a good 49. Is there anything he hasn't blamed George W. Bush for?

The economy, global warming, the credit crisis, Middle East stalemate, the deficit, anti-Americanism abroad - everything but swine flu.

It's as if Obama's presidency hasn't really started. He's still taking inventory of the Bush years.

Just this Monday, he referred to "long years of drift" in Afghanistan in order to, I suppose, explain away his own, well, yearlong drift on Afghanistan.

[johnrocks]

Why is there so much love for Krauthammer, he's a Mondale Liberal from what I read on him.

[Values]

Why is there so much love for Krauthammer, he's a Mondale Liberal from what I read on him.

When you come across an honest liberal they stand out.

[TheModerateOne]

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.

Spoken like a true objective non-partison there, Chico. I'm sure we can take this comment to the bank.

[Freedom4Me]

Why is there so much love for Krauthammer, he's a Mondale Liberal from what I read on him.

According to wikipedia, he once was considered a Mondale liberal. Apparently, his ideology has changed over the years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

Krauthammer is generally considered a conservative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_conservatism); he has also been called a neoconservative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism). However, on domestic issues, Krauthammer is a supporter of legalized abortion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States);an opponent of the death penalty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States); an intelligent design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Design) critic and an advocate for the scientific consensus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus) on evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution), calling the religion-science controversy a "false conflict;" a supporter of embryonic stem cell research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryonic_stem_cell_research) using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States) to induce conservation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_conservation). Meg Greenfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Greenfield), editorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial) page editor for The Washington Post who edited Krauthammer's columns for 15 years, called his weekly column "independent and hard to peg politically. It's a very tough column. There's no 'trendy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trendy)' in it. You never know what is going to happen next."
Hendrik Herzberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Herzberg), a former colleague of Krauthammer's at The New Republic during the 1980s, said that when the two first met in 1978, Krauthammer was "70 per cent Mondale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mondale) liberal, 30 per cent 'Scoop Jackson Democrat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoop_Jackson_Democrat),' that is, hard-line on Israel and relations with the Soviet Union;" while in the mid-80s, he was still "50-50: fairly liberal on economic and social questions but a full-bore foreign-policy neoconservative." Herzberg now calls Krauthammer a "pretty solid 90-10 Republican."

[johnrocks]

According to wikipedia, he once was considered a Mondale liberal. Apparently, his ideology has changed over the years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

Krauthammer is generally considered a conservative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_conservatism); he has also been called a neoconservative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism). However, on domestic issues, Krauthammer is a supporter of legalized abortion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States);an opponent of the death penalty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States); an intelligent design (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_Design) critic and an advocate for the scientific consensus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus) on evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution), calling the religion-science controversy a "false conflict;" a supporter of embryonic stem cell research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryonic_stem_cell_research) using embryos discarded by fertility clinics with restrictions in its applications and a longtime advocate of radically higher energy taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States) to induce conservation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_conservation). Meg Greenfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Greenfield), editorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editorial) page editor for The Washington Post who edited Krauthammer's columns for 15 years, called his weekly column "independent and hard to peg politically. It's a very tough column. There's no 'trendy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trendy)' in it. You never know what is going to happen next."
Hendrik Herzberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Herzberg), a former colleague of Krauthammer's at The New Republic during the 1980s, said that when the two first met in 1978, Krauthammer was "70 per cent Mondale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mondale) liberal, 30 per cent 'Scoop Jackson Democrat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoop_Jackson_Democrat),' that is, hard-line on Israel and relations with the Soviet Union;" while in the mid-80s, he was still "50-50: fairly liberal on economic and social questions but a full-bore foreign-policy neoconservative." Herzberg now calls Krauthammer a "pretty solid 90-10 Republican."

Looks like he's just a neo conservative, pretty much a "Scoop" Jackson Democrat but now wearing the R symbol proudly.

[Freedom4Me]

Whatever. He seems to be a straight shooter and I like that. He is someone whose opinion I trust and respect.

[Strongbone]

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.


:rolleyes:

Winner of the 1987 Pulitzer Prize for distinguished commentary.
Writes an internationally syndicated column for The Washington Post Writers Group.
Named by the Financial Times as America's most influential commentator.
His weekly column appears in more than 180 newspapers.

BTW Washington Post is not exactly *right wing*.

[gb2004]

predictable

Uh, no....I was asking what you would call Obumma's behavior. Krauthammer is calling it childish. What would you call it?

[johnrocks]

:rolleyes:

Winner of the 1987 Pulitzer Prize for distinguished commentary.
Writes an internationally syndicated column for The Washington Post Writers Group.
Named by the Financial Times as America's most influential commentator.
His weekly column appears in more than 180 newspapers.

BTW Washington Post is not exactly *right wing*.

According to wiki, in 1987, he was not right wing but a pretty hard core liberal.

[croupier101]

We are all very aware Krauthhammer and most neocons want the rest of the country to pretend Bush didn't exist, and not talk about his failures anymore. Noone likes their mistakes to be thrown in their face over and over again.

So I understand neocons wishing everyone would forget what they did for the last 8 years, but sorry, no. The day we forget, is the day we make the same mistake and let neocons have a second chance of making things worse.

Krauthhammer is the disgraceful, he should own his mistake and accept responsibility for it, like the rest of the necons. You folks did elect Bush and the GOP, they did run this country into the toilet, and no we aren't just going to all forgive and forget what you did. Get over it and don't make the mistake again.

[spinach]

Yes, Krautthammer is 100% right. Obama is disgusting and disgraceful. He behaves like a very immature, classless, egotistical individual who can't except blame for anything and gets peevish when others find reasons to criticize him.

He got elected because of soaring rhetoric and Bush hatred; not because he ever accomplished anything relevant. He still is an empty suit spouting empty words, and more and more people are starting to see the disappointing truth about this poor excuse for a President. He's pathetically over his head.


he's campaigning.
he thinks he can campaign against Bush and it will help his numbers.

he's a clueless idiot who has no concept of leadership.
I really do think that he was a puppet of someone, before being elected...and now has broken the strings--

so that now he is just an animated wooden dummy with a growing nose

"pinocchiobama"

[Values]

We are all very aware Krauthhammer and most neocons want the rest of the country to pretend Bush didn't exist, and not talk about his failures anymore. Noone likes their mistakes to be thrown in their face over and over again.

So I understand neocons wishing everyone would forget what they did for the last 8 years, but sorry, no. The day we forget, is the day we make the same mistake and let neocons have a second chance of making things worse.

Krauthhammer is the disgraceful, he should own his mistake and accept responsibility for it, like the rest of the necons. You folks did elect Bush and the GOP, they did run this country into the toilet, and no we aren't just going to all forgive and forget what you did. Get over it and don't make the mistake again.


BOOOOOOOSH!
EEEVILLLLLL CONSERVATIVES!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lame, lame, lame.

[johnrocks]

This guy isn't a conservative, oh, he stands for what "conservative" stands for now, which is the problem, his ideology hasn't changed, he's still the same ol' Henry "Scoop" Jackson type he's always been that mosied over to the GOP and like a cockroach has soiled the house up.

[croupier101]

BOOOOOOOSH!
EEEVILLLLLL CONSERVATIVES!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Lame, lame, lame.

Own your mistakes, so that you don't make them again.

[Electromyographical Alien]

When you've got little to nothing to offer in terms of solving or alleviating an issue, you turn to a gratuitous attack on someone, typically your predecessor.

This is where Obama currently is, this is where he has been, and it appears this is where he'll continue to go.

[badpenny]

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.

The ratings at Fox News clearly prove that MANY more people tune into Fox that just "righties."

Kinda stinks up the lefts theory about Fox now doesn't it? :))

When someone jumps on the messenger FIRST - versus the message, well .... enough said.

[Manager]

fox news called. they need a new anchor who already knows the talking points.

Give it a rest lib, moveon to huffpo where you belong.

Welcome to the "lib ignore list", you're number 85...

[johnrocks]

The ratings at Fox News clearly prove that MANY more people tune into Fox that just "righties."

Kinda stinks up the lefts theory about Fox now doesn't it? :))

I quit watching for the most part but folks like Beck, Judge Napolitano and John Stossel on board now is giving me hope.

[badpenny]

I quit watching for the most part but folks like Beck, Judge Napolitano and John Stossel on board now is giving me hope.

I like them all too John and was pleased to see Stossel join. Ive always agreed with most of his views.

[Kegler300]

Krauthammer is spot on, and democrats are upset at having their noses rubbed in sheit for supporting the man-boy in the empty suit.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Krauthammer is spot on, and democrats are upset at having their noses rubbed in **** for supporting the man-boy in the empty suit.

Krauthammer would know, he was one of the chiefs of the "but Clinton" brigade.

[badpenny]

Krauthammer is spot on, and democrats are upset at having their noses rubbed in it for supporting the man-boy in the empty suit.

Yup - 8 years of Bush bashing and the left was sold a pig in a poke. How apropos...

No one here admits it but they don't have to. Sometimes its not what you say but what you don't and the numerous lib free threads we've seen a rash of lately speak volumes.

[Strongbone]

According to wiki, in 1987, he was not right wing but a pretty hard core liberal.

Krauthammer is a columnist and as such has an opinion on everything from bee’s wax to wearing white after Labor Day. You won’t find him shaking his head yes when he believes Conservatives are wrong. Krauthammer has admired Obama’s ability to accomplish his agenda. That didn’t mean he approved of it.

He attended Harvard where he learned psychiatry. A year into his studies he had an accident which left him wheelchair bound. At that time he was liberal and he left his practice to work with Jimmy Carter and write speeches for Walter Mondale. But when he heard Ronald Reagan and heard some of Reagan’s Cold War speeches he was impressed after which he became a Conservative.

He had been often over shadowed by William Buckley until Buckley’s death. Many Conservatives see him filling the void that Buckley left behind. Some Conservatives actually consider him the most important conservative columnists today.

Many moderate Republicans despise him because of his support of the treatment of the prisoners in Gittmo, and his support for the former White House towards Israel.

Krauthammer did urge Obama to run (he was being sarcastic) but he really believed Obama’s thin façade would be exposed. In that opinion Krauthammer was wrong and misjudged the presses coverage of a man he later called a fraud and a cult-like cutout.

If what people once were and no longer are (you and I included) can be held against them for their lifetime I would guess we all would have a great deal of apologizing and backtracking to do. I can only go by what Krauthammer has said and who he has supported.

[johnrocks]

Krauthammer is a columnist and as such has an opinion on everything from bee’s wax to wearing white after Labor Day. You won’t find him shaking his head yes when he believes Conservatives are wrong. Krauthammer has admired Obama’s ability to accomplish his agenda. That didn’t mean he approved of it.

He attended Harvard where he learned psychiatry. A year into his studies he had an accident which left him wheelchair bound. At that time he was liberal and he left his practice to work with Jimmy Carter and write speeches for Walter Mondale. But when he heard Ronald Reagan and heard some of Reagan’s Cold War speeches he was impressed after which he became a Conservative.

He had been often over shadowed by William Buckley until Buckley’s death. Many Conservatives see him filling the void that Buckley left behind. Some Conservatives actually consider him the most important conservative columnists today.

Many moderate Republicans despise him because of his support of the treatment of the prisoners in Gittmo, and his support for the former White House towards Israel.

Krauthammer did urge Obama to run (he was being sarcastic) but he really believed Obama’s thin façade would be exposed. In that opinion Krauthammer was wrong and misjudged the presses coverage of a man he later called a fraud and a cult-like cutout.

If what people once were and no longer are (you and I included) can be held against them for their lifetime I would guess we all would have a great deal of apologizing and backtracking to do. I can only go by what Krauthammer has said and who he has supported.

But has he really changed, all he seems to get accolades for around here on is his views on foreign policy, if he was a Mondale/Henry "Scoop" Jackson liberal then he didn't make a leap at all, he just switched teams and hoped no one would notice and so far, most haven't it seems.

[Late2TheParty]

First off, Krauthammer is very well respected...

Not by me.

[spinach]

Yup - 8 years of Bush bashing and the left was sold a pig in a poke. How apropos...

No one here admits it but they don't have to. Sometimes its not what you say but what you don't and the numerous lib free threads we've seen a rash of lately speak volumes.


indeed.
how many threads have there been on the site, where liberals announce great Obama triumphs?

the number is zero. why?
no triumphs. nothing good. just varying degrees of ineptitude and idiocy.
And even the liberal propaganda rags are beginning to pound on pinocchiobama

[Morgan]

BTW Washington Post is not exactly *right wing*.

The op-ed page most definitely is.

[Strongbone]

But has he really changed, all he seems to get accolades for around here on is his views on foreign policy, if he was a Mondale/Henry "Scoop" Jackson liberal then he didn't make a leap at all, he just switched teams and hoped no one would notice and so far, most haven't it seems.

Well gee John did Regan really change? He was once a Democrat. How about Horowitz?

IMHO people's political views do change over time. When you grow up you become Conservative. :mrgreen: When you want everybody else to be responsible for you...you remain a liberal! :whistle:

[The Bos'un]

Video of Krauthammer talking about Obama and his stragety in Afgan...says his constant attacks on Bush are disgusting and beyond disgraceful. Says his behavior is childish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b4jidKlqws&feature=player_embedded#
DNC rally cry, blame it on bush. It seems that every insecure crowd needs a bogeyman. So, the DNC, OBAMA, MOVEON.ORG, and left wing crackpots are all using bush as the fall guy.

20 years from now, the DNC and left wing crackpots will still be blaming it on bush. He spanked their blubberhead, GORE, and they have not gotten over it. He spanked their next blubberhead, JOHN "F" KERRY, and they have not gotten over it either.

I hate to say, but the RNC is also at fault for the state of current political affairs. It was the RNC's fault to send in MCLAME as the 5th liberal presidential contender in 2008. The RNC marginalized Duncan Hunter, Mayor Guiliani, and Fred Thompson for McLame. I believe that the RNC played right into the DNC playbook.

It does not stop there, look who the DNC and left wing crackpots attack to this day,besides President Bush. Why it is Sarah Palin. Sarah scares the hell out of the DNC and left wing crackpots.

America is in a world of **** and the DNC and left wing crackpots are going to keep up their attack dog antics. Now the *******s of left even take to defacing the American flag.

What more are these *******s going to do? One thing for sure, they will keep blaming bush.. and attacking Sarah Palin..... and turning American values on its head..... and promoting that the constitution is nothing but an irrelevant document from the past......

[johnrocks]

Well gee John did Regan really change? He was once a Democrat. How about Horowitz?

IMHO people's political views do change over time. When you grow up you become Conservative. :mrgreen: When you want everybody else to be responsible for you...you remain a liberal! :whistle:

I did a term paper on Reagan in High School, I loved him so much, he was known as simply Governor Reagan at the time and I voted for him twice, but I'd say that in hind sight, he didn't change much besides his rhetoric, Horowitz is a poster child of the neo conservative movement.

I just did a search for Krauthammer and his archives are 99% foreign policy related, the only one that wasn't was on healthcare and I liked some of it and some of it called for just a different version of government intervention, I looked around some more and he is pro choice which I suppose is not liberal or conservative and he supports reparations for decendants of slaves which is something I'll never support, he opposes intelligent design theory which again I suppose is neither a liberal or conservative stand but what I've gathered is he isn't a star of social conservatives based on some of his beliefs, he can't be much of a star of fiscal conservatives based on his desire for world intervention which is as costly if not more so than domestic welfare so who loves him besides the neo conservative wing?

[Strongbone]

The op-ed page most definitely is.


http://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Main/Large_Mix/ahhhhhhh.GIF

Yeah that Eugene Robinson is so Conservative! McChesney how is he doing with that Socialist magazine he co-edited from 00 to 04? (Monthly Review) or with the idea that we need a government bail-out for newspapers? Why "the Nation" just loves him cuze he is so Conservative. Then you have John Nichols "The Nation's" Washington correspondent and co-writer with op-ed's with McChesney.

All these Conservative Washington Post op-ed writers...gee how will we ever overcome them? :doh:

[TheModerateOne]

Own your mistakes, so that you don't make them again.

That was Krauthammer's point. Barry O can't even admit his policy is his policy, after laying it out there for everyone to see. Krauthammer's analysis was flawless concerning the knee-jerk reaction to said criticism of Barry O. This "BUT BOOOOOSH" broken record is garbage and far beyond its expiration date. Obama simply isn't being an adult. He has to be a man for once, own up to the failure of the policy, and make a ****ing decision.

[Dim Reefer]

krauthammer is smart, truthful and right on with this assessment in my opinion. although maybe we should not complain, the more o' whines the more credibilty he loses ... so, on second thought ... BOOOOOOOSH dunit'!

omg i wish this was a teeshirt

[Dim Reefer]

We are all very aware Krauthhammer and most neocons want the rest of the country to pretend Bush didn't exist, and not talk about his failures anymore. Noone likes their mistakes to be thrown in their face over and over again.

So I understand neocons wishing everyone would forget what they did for the last 8 years, but sorry, no. The day we forget, is the day we make the same mistake and let neocons have a second chance of making things worse.

Krauthhammer is the disgraceful, he should own his mistake and accept responsibility for it, like the rest of the necons. You folks did elect Bush and the GOP, they did run this country into the toilet, and no we aren't just going to all forgive and forget what you did. Get over it and don't make the mistake again.

Did you even watch the damn video? Typical bs response from you without even listening to the video.

[Ballygrl]

TOTUS: It's Bush's fault!
(Repeat in 90 seconds - stutter and mumble between)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/kery/Obma/bush2baby300.jpg

:))

Is that Obama? or Rahm?

[Dim Reefer]

That was Krauthammer's point. Barry O can't even admit his policy is his policy, after laying it out there for everyone to see. Krauthammer's analysis was flawless concerning the knee-jerk reaction to said criticism of Barry O. This "BUT BOOOOOSH" broken record is garbage and far beyond its expiration date. Obama simply isn't being an adult. He has to be a man for once, own up to the failure of the policy, and make a ****ing decision.

pointless.... he is so far up O arse he might as well be the empty suit hero himself.

[Dim Reefer]

Not by me.

Why not

[Strongbone]

I did a term paper on Reagan in High School, I loved him so much, he was known as simply Governor Reagan at the time and I voted for him twice, but I'd say that in hind sight, he didn't change much besides his rhetoric, Horowitz is a poster child of the neo conservative movement.

I just did a search for Krauthammer and his archives are 99% foreign policy related, the only one that wasn't was on healthcare and I liked some of it and some of it called for just a different version of government intervention, I looked around some more and he is pro choice which I suppose is not liberal or conservative and he supports reparations for decendants of slaves which is something I'll never support, he opposes intelligent design theory which again I suppose is neither a liberal or conservative stand but what I've gathered is he isn't a star of social conservatives based on some of his beliefs, he can't be much of a star of fiscal conservatives based on his desire for world intervention which is as costly if not more so than domestic welfare so who loves him besides the neo conservative wing?

I liked Reagan. I like Krauthammer but I wouldn't say he is a solid Conservative. I think he favors many Republicans because of their stand with Israel. With a name like Krauthammer is that understandable? I think so.

As far as reparations for descendants of slaves....I have been reading a terrific book about Thomas Jefferson. (Twilight at Monticello) It actually made me come face to face with "the slave" issue our government embraced.
Jefferson saw that the blacks really constituted a "Captive nation within the U.S. borders." It was different for them in that many were brought here by force while the whites came here and created their own nation. He believed that as long as the blacks remained here that the deep rooted prejudices of the whites and the tens of thousands recollections of the injuries the blacks had sustained meant that coexistence on equal terms would produce "convulsions which would most likely never end until one race or the other was exterminated".

I can't even begin to imagine a life whereby I was born to be a slave, one where I was owned by another human being, sold away from my parents and my husband and children to die never known by this government as a person.

As I look at the way things are, as I see more and more hate between the races. I begin to wonder how advanced was Jefferson in his thinking although his answer is too late. Reparations aren't the answer and as I see it now neither is having a black man as President.

Perhaps I see things like this... you have Conservatives and how Conservative they are all depends on how Conservative you are. Even Conservatives have that clock thing swinging back and forth.

[CitadelBulldog96]

We are all very aware Krauthhammer and most neocons want the rest of the country to pretend Bush didn't exist, and not talk about his failures anymore. Noone likes their mistakes to be thrown in their face over and over again.

So I understand neocons wishing everyone would forget what they did for the last 8 years, but sorry, no. The day we forget, is the day we make the same mistake and let neocons have a second chance of making things worse.

Krauthhammer is the disgraceful, he should own his mistake and accept responsibility for it, like the rest of the necons. You folks did elect Bush and the GOP, they did run this country into the toilet, and no we aren't just going to all forgive and forget what you did. Get over it and don't make the mistake again.


For once I actually agree with croupier, we shouldn’t forget the past. Let us all remember what the president Obama is most often compared to did for this country. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that read “It takes a Carter to get to a Reagan.”

[Strongbone]

http://forums.hannity.com/image.php?u=94225&type=sigpic&dateline=1253578764


BTW I met Peter Schiff once when I worked for PIMCO. He is extremely impressive. I remember some of my buddies on Wall Street laughing at him when he was buying gold left and right. He kept warning of the "crash" and they'd just chuckle and kept buying their oil and corn.

LOL...they didn't laugh after Oct 08. I hope he wins. He is a great guy. We can use more regular folks in government. That's part of the problem...too many lifers in government...too many lawyers. We need more "mom and pops". Wow now that would be unique!

Most traders on the street are libertarians (small l).

[MustangGT]

Video of Krauthammer talking about Obama and his stragety in Afgan...says his constant attacks on Bush are disgusting and beyond disgraceful. Says his behavior is childish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b4jidKlqws&feature=player_embedded#

Well, reminding Americans of what they all too well know to be true is probably not the best use of Obama's time.

Meanwhile, W is on the motivational lecture circuit. I wonder if Bush will mention that he's responsible for motivating Americans to vote Republicans out of office as well as being responsible for motivating conservatives to bolt from the Repubican Party.

[Strongbone]

I hate to say, but the RNC is also at fault for the state of current political affairs. It was the RNC's fault to send in MCLAME as the 5th liberal presidential contender in 2008. The RNC marginalized Duncan Hunter, Mayor Guiliani, and Fred Thompson for McLame. I believe that the RNC played right into the DNC playbook.

I so wanted Thompson to do well. But when he opened his mouth I knew all of my hopes and dreams were wrapped around a TV show. Guiliani NEVER stood a chance.

McCain.......http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/glassy/default/loser.gif

As someone else posted......It took a Carter to bring a Reagan.


So.....I'm
http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/upset/default/waiting4.gif

[Muz]

Krauthammer is only respected by the Foxies and their slavish supporters. The rest of the world recognizes him as a right wing cranky old man who despises Obama and makes no bones about it.


Is this what you and the other libs do? Come onto this forum strictly for the purpose of denigrating our opinions without offering anything of substance yourself? Very 'Alinsky" of you.

BTW, I have nothing but respect for Charles Krauthammer. This man is right-on in his opinions IMHO, and I also agree that Obama is an immature, tantrum-throwing, hateful, angry person who hides it artfully from the public. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when he and his hateful wife are alone and hear what they REALLY think and say.

And what exactly do you have against cranky old men who hate Obama? :cool:

[reflechissez]

he's campaigning.
he thinks he can campaign against Bush and it will help his numbers.

he's a clueless idiot who has no concept of leadership.
I really do think that he was a puppet of someone, before being elected...and now has broken the strings--

so that now he is just an animated wooden dummy with a growing nose

"pinocchiobama"

funny. that's exactly what was said about bush.

[johnrocks]

I so wanted Thompson to do well. But when he opened his mouth I knew all of my hopes and dreams were wrapped around a TV show. Guiliani NEVER stood a chance.

McCain.......http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/glassy/default/loser.gif

As someone else posted......It took a Carter to bring a Reagan.


So.....I'm
http://www.msnhiddenemoticons.com/Library/extra_large/upset/default/waiting4.gif

:)) true, love the smiley!

[reflechissez]

Give it a rest lib, moveon to huffpo where you belong.

Welcome to the "lib ignore list", you're number 85...

your parents should be proud.

note: i belong wherever i am.

[ChicoLibertarian]

Video of Krauthammer talking about Obama and his stragety in Afgan...says his constant attacks on Bush are disgusting and beyond disgraceful. Says his behavior is childish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b4jidKlqws&feature=player_embedded#

And his opinion matters why?

If the facts fit (e.g., Afghanistan was neglected under Bush), then how is Obama pointing them out an "attack"?

It's unfortunate that more of his own party did not attack GWB's mismanagement of that conflict.

[opsyscw]

Here's a challenge to the liberals:

Provide one, just one, quote from GW Bush where he critized or blamed Clinton for anything, even to this day. In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Give a quote from GWH Bush, or Regan, or any other past Republican who critized their predecessor or current holder of the office.

I can provide plenty from Carter, Clinton and Obama.

Its called class and maturity and professionalism, traits which earn respect, and which obama has none of.

[lsue]

fox news called. they need a new anchor who already knows the talking points.








Are you from the WH?? You're bitter over your butt whoopin in the War on
Fox News, right? Tsk, tsk. You guys are entertaining, though.

:)):))

[deportalllibs]

Uh, no....I was asking what you would call Obumma's behavior. Krauthammer is calling it childish. What would you call it?

I would call it the behavior of someone completely lacking in leadership and executive experience.

You can't pull the night manager out of a 711 and expect him to be a good CEO of General Electric anymore than you can pull some professor who has never had a real job out of Chicago and expect him to be a good president.

Obama's resume has LOSER written all over it, and now we are getting exactly that.

[lsue]

Why is there so much love for Krauthammer, he's a Mondale Liberal from what I read on him.




I don't know Krauthammer's politics. He takes Dims AND Republicans to the
woodshed. Regularly. Republicans seem to take it without wee weeing all over
themselves, though. Since I like the guy, I'd say he is probably a rightie.

[LJ14]

I might have missed it, having scanned through pretty quickly... but here's a link to today's column....

In it, he makes a compelling and logical case for Barack Obama being EXACTLY in the same hot seat G.W. Bush was in before the surge in Iraq. We started there with the "light footprint" strategy, only to realize later that insurgents were inflicting so much terror on the local population that there was no possibility of "winning hearts and minds". Providing security meant utilizing the "heavy footprint", but without relief from Fear the populace would naturally capitulate to the insurgents in an effort to preserve themselves from harm.

Excerpt: The Three Envelopes
Charles Krauthammer

In Iraq, the heavy footprint -- also known as the surge -- dramatically reversed the fortunes of war. In Afghanistan, where it took longer for the Taliban to regroup, the failure of the light footprint did not become evident until more recently, when an uneasy stalemate began to deteriorate into steady Taliban advances.

That's where we are now in Afghanistan. The logic of a true counterinsurgency strategy there is that whatever resentment a troop surge might occasion pales in comparison with the continued demoralization of any potential anti-Taliban elements unless they receive serious and immediate protection from U.S.-NATO forces.

In other words, Obama is facing the same decision on Afghanistan that Bush faced in late 2006 in deciding to surge in Iraq.

(more...)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/29/AR2009102903920_2.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns&sid=ST2009102904087


Read the whole piece. The irony of Barry being stuck in the same scenario he has so heavily criticized his predecessor over is delicious. He couldn't even admit the surge in Iraq was successful until Bill O'Reilly dragged it out of him, kicking and screaming... and even then he quantified it. And now... his back is against the very same wall.

[johnrocks]

I don't know Krauthammer's politics. He takes Dims AND Republicans to the
woodshed. Regularly. Republicans seem to take it without wee weeing all over
themselves, though. Since I like the guy, I'd say he is probably a rightie.

You like him on any issues outside of foreign policy like abortion or reparation to slaves?:whistle:

[Mike Griffith]

<< Vulgar sig image removed.
You may NOT have any sig for six weeks / LEE >>

I love it when you get tough, Lee.

[reflechissez]

Are you from the WH?? You're bitter over your butt whoopin in the War on
Fox News, right? Tsk, tsk. You guys are entertaining, though.

:)):))

why do cons think that everybody else has such strong, knee-jerk reactions to everything just because they do?

bitter, afraid, freaked out (that's a big one around here), terrified, et al. jeez louise.

[ChicoLibertarian]

Here's a challenge to the liberals:

Provide one, just one, quote from GW Bush where he critized or blamed Clinton for anything, even to this day. In fact, I'll make it easy for you. Give a quote from GWH Bush, or Regan, or any other past Republican who critized their predecessor or current holder of the office.

I can provide plenty from Carter, Clinton and Obama.

Its called class and maturity and professionalism, traits which earn respect, and which obama has none of.

Here are some great quotes by the last dunce-in-chief (GWB):

Bush, 1999: "I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demand... (http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable) /

In 1999, Bush Demanded A Timetable

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

(ed. note: article originally ran in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 6/5/99)

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

“It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”

I'll get you some from after he took office. The Republicans under Bush were just as big of whiners as the Democrats under Obama.

[Bluesgtr44]

of course he would say that. you expected something else?

Thank you for finally understanding this administration.....of course they say that ****, why would expect anything else?

[Grapes]

Here are some great quotes by the last dunce-in-chief (GWB):

Bush, 1999: "I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demand... (http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable) /

In 1999, Bush Demanded A Timetable

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

(ed. note: article originally ran in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 6/5/99)

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

“It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”

I'll get you some from after he took office. The Republicans under Bush were just as big of whiners as the Democrats under Obama.


Wow, you really trying to make a comparison ? This just reinforces how pathetic the current guys really are.
Sad...

[ChicoLibertarian]

Wow, you really trying to make a comparison ? This just reinforces how pathetic the current guys really are.
Sad...

Almost as sad as claiming that Republicans don't blame their predecessors. I wish I could get some of the Koolaid that you people drink. Rosy skies and rainbows for everyone!

[Grapes]

Almost as sad as claiming that Republicans don't blame their predecessors. I wish I could get some of the Koolaid that you people drink. Rosy skies and rainbows for everyone!


Whatever, long as you're "fired up" & "ready to go" :rolleyes:

[ThinkingMan]

Here are some great quotes by the last dunce-in-chief (GWB):

Bush, 1999: "I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn."

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demand... (http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/28/in-1999-bush-demanded-a-timetable) /

In 1999, Bush Demanded A Timetable

In 1999, George W. Bush criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo, and yet he refuses to apply the same standard to his war.

George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

And on the specific need for a timetable, here’s what Bush said then and what he says now:

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”

(ed. note: article originally ran in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer on 6/5/99)

VERSUS

George W. Bush, 6/24/05:

“It doesn’t make any sense to have a timetable. You know, if you give a timetable, you’re — you’re conceding too much to the enemy.”

I'll get you some from after he took office. The Republicans under Bush were just as big of whiners as the Democrats under Obama.

Bad news: Bush isn't the president anymore.

You must work for msnbc.

[ChicoLibertarian]

Here's a challenge to the liberals:

Provide one, just one, quote from GW Bush where he critized or blamed Clinton for anything

Here you go, Bush blaming Clinton for the recession in 2001. Seems that whining and blame-shifting is a cross-party phenomenon.

"When I took office, our economy was beginning a recession," Bush said in a speech at a Mississippi high school.

http://money.cnn.com/2002/08/07/news/economy/bush_cheney/

[ThinkingMan]

Almost as sad as claiming that Republicans don't blame their predecessors. I wish I could get some of the Koolaid that you people drink. Rosy skies and rainbows for everyone!

I blame Republicans - for acting like Democrats. Which is ironic if you think about it - with the way Democrats do everything that everyone hates the Republicans for.

Wonder why that is.

[ChicoLibertarian]

Bad news: Bush isn't the president anymore.

You must work for msnbc.

Perhaps if you would actually follow along you'd realize that somebody asked for quotes of Bush criticizing Clinton. I have provided them. You're welcome.

[Grapes]

"When I took office, our economy was beginning a recession," Bush said in a speech at a Mississippi high school.


First, the above quote is stating a fact, not placing blame on Clinton.

Second, your attempt at this is pathetic.

[ThinkingMan]

Perhaps if you would actually follow along you'd realize that somebody asked for quotes of Bush criticizing Clinton. I have provided them. You're welcome.

Bush wasn't an ex-president yet.

Thank you.

[Mr. M]

Bush wasn't an ex-president yet.

Thank you.

Or even a President...

[ThinkingMan]

Or even a President...

The left does not recognize the respectful protocol of ex-presidents not criticizing sitting ones.

Or sitting ones, criticizing ex's.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, as all that protocol went out the window with the present "not our fault" train wreck administration.

Right through the glass.

[ThinkingMan]

All these people, googling themselves simple looking for republican ex-president criticisms, as though they will pale against Obama and the "don't look at us" crowd.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I might have missed it, having scanned through pretty quickly... but here's a link to today's column....

In it, he makes a compelling and logical case for Barack Obama being EXACTLY in the same hot seat G.W. Bush was in before the surge in Iraq. We started there with the "light footprint" strategy, only to realize later that insurgents were inflicting so much terror on the local population that there was no possibility of "winning hearts and minds". Providing security meant utilizing the "heavy footprint", but without relief from Fear the populace would naturally capitulate to the insurgents in an effort to preserve themselves from harm.



Read the whole piece. The irony of Barry being stuck in the same scenario he has so heavily criticized his predecessor over is delicious. He couldn't even admit the surge in Iraq was successful until Bill O'Reilly dragged it out of him, kicking and screaming... and even then he quantified it. And now... his back is against the very same wall.

I guess the resurgence of the Taliban was recent, if by "recent" he means the spring of 2006.

[badpenny]

:whistle:

[Penny in WV]

I guess the resurgence of the Taliban was recent, if by "recent" he means the spring of 2006.

________________________

Krauthammer's remarks are dead balls accurate! Obama's constant crying about past administrations falls short of a leader. He does act childlike and it isn't just on the issue of attacking Bush, he blames everyone for everything. Healthcare is because of greedy insurance companies, wallstreet is because of rich people, the banking industry is because of greedy CEO's, Foxnews dissenting opinion is because they are not a legitimate news organization and right wing extremists, muslim terrorists and other foreign problems are because the USA is arrogant dismissive and divisive....and let's not forget, we are in this situation becasue Bush and the republican's did it!

Obama took office in January. He changed the stragety in Afgan and put McChrystal in charge. This is his war now and its apparent he can't handle it! However, instead of saying the stragety his administration implemented after he took office are failing, he goes back to blaming Bush. Its unpresidential to say the very least.

He fails to place the blame where it needs to be....the whitehouse and our sorry ass representatives, democrat and republican who have personally and financially benefited from all the above and special interests. The corruption is abound, however, there's no investigations (unless its on past administrations) and no one is held accountable. Moreover, when the blatant corruption of those in power is brought to light, it is dismissed, overlooked, and excuses are made.

We can go on and on and on. The fact is, his administration has failed to pull its pants up around their waist and take on what really matters.

Like I have said many many times...his actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what he says.

[badpenny]

Well said Penny, unfortunately the regular obama water carriers either wont see it or just wont admit it.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Well said Penny, unfortunately the regular obama water carriers either wont see it or just wont admit it.

Are you talking to moi? 'Cause I deal strictly in facts with the AfPak situation.

[Penny in WV]

Are you talking to moi? 'Cause I deal strictly in facts with the AfPak situation.
__________________

And, the facts are Obama crys and blames, accepts no accountability for his OWN actions. The actions he implemented and the complete failure it has become, because he ties the hands of our Generals and our troops due to political reasons, and his appeasing attitude. He has already admitted we can't win no matter how many troops we send...he's an empty suit and he is certainly, no leader.

Another fact, 2009 worse year in Afgan war, October being the worse month of troop casualties...I'm sure it has nothing to do with his "dithering," and I guess that's Bush's fault too...huh?

Coalition Military Fatalities By Year
Year US UK Other Total
2001 12 0 0 12
2002 49 3 17 69
2003 48 0 9 57
2004 52 1 7 60
2005 99 1 31 131
2006 98 39 54 191
2007 117 42 73 232
2008 155 51 89 295
2009 279 86 85 450
Total 909 223 365 1497
Filter Deaths By Year
Link:
http://icasualties.org/

[Penny in WV]

Well said Penny, unfortunately the regular obama water carriers either wont see it or just wont admit it.

______________________

And it is also, disgraceful and disgusting as well.

[fredthompsonBA]

Own your mistakes, so that you don't make them again.

Does this mean you're finally ready to address you "Saddam was the elected leader of Iraq" comment?