White Out shirts spark controversy

[LouC]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/Shirt_320A.jpg

The 2009 White House [Should read White Out] T-shirt's cross-like design has spurred complaints from organizations and alumni, including requests that the shirt be taken off of store shelves.

The university received complaints and requests earlier in the season from organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League -- a group that fights anti-Semitism -- concerning the shirt's design, Penn State President Graham Spanier wrote in an e-mail Thursday.

Spanier wrote that the university did not feel it was appropriate to intervene with the sale of the shirts.

Associate Athletic Director Greg Myford said the athletic department also received a complaint about the shirts but did not consider pulling the shirts off of shelves.

The white shirts feature a vertical blue line down the center of their front and back and resemble the Penn State football helmet. The words "Penn State White Out" are written horizontally across the top two-thirds of the line on the front, and "Don't be intimidated ... It's just me and 110,000 of my friends" is written across the majority of the back.

The Daily Collegian LINK (http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2009/10/23/white_out_shirts_spark_controv.aspx)

Would this shirt offend you?

Would you feel uncomfortable shopping in a college book store with this shirt on the shelf.

Would you feel you are being religiously pressured, oppressed, or persecuted?

Would you feel the overpowering need to fight back against the Evil Tee?

Is a graphic design on a T-shirt that coincidentally has "cross" like elements going to cause the breakdown of western civilization as we know it?

Get a grip people.... :wall:

[Theranna]

I don't get the problem with the shirt? Is it the words "white out" or the cross-like symbols? People need hobbies instead of complaining about idiotic stuff like this...

[Greyclouds]

I'm at a loss as to what the shirt says exactly...

White out?

[LouC]

I don't get the problem with the shirt? Is it the words "white out" or the cross-like symbols? People need hobbies instead of complaining about idiotic stuff like this...

In the article I linked there are statements regarding the cross like design.

But some students refused to buy the shirt on the premise of religious connotations.

[LouC]

I'm at a loss as to what the shirt says exactly...

White out?

The article I quoted has the text of the shirt.

The 110,000 number on the back of the shirt references the number of fans in the Penn State stadium.

At football games the Penn State fans wave white pom poms and wear white shirts and the stadium "whites out".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asd4KxnkVV4&mode=related&search=

Video is of a game between Penn State and Michigan, it is 1:23 long, it shows the Penn State home stadium crowd doing a "white out" of the stadium in support of the team.

[MrShotShot]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/Shirt_320A.jpg



Would this shirt offend you?



Only if I was an idiot.

[Greyclouds]

The article I quoted has the text of the shirt.

The 110,000 number on the back of the shirt references the number of fans in the Penn State stadium.

At football games the Penn State fans wave white pom poms and wear white shirts and the stadium "whites out".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asd4KxnkVV4&mode=related&search=

Video is of a game between Penn State and Michigan, it is 1:23 long, it shows the Penn State home stadium crowd doing a "white out" of the stadium in support of the team.

Ok, thank you for the explanation.

I only see the shirt being a problem for those that look VERY hard for things to be offended about... but that's just IMHO.

[LouC]

Ok, thank you for the explanation.

I only see the shirt being a problem for those that look VERY hard for things to be offended about... but that's just IMHO.

No problem, I should have had more background in the OP.

Yes.

I do believe many people are looking for things by which to be offended.

It has almost become an industry of sorts.

[MrShotShot]

I'm not even a huge follower of Penn State football, but I knew the second I saw the shirt that the blue stripe was in reference to the stripe on their helmets.

Surely anyone shoppping in the PSU bookstore would know that as well.

[Buffalo]

I'm not even a huge follower of Penn State football, but I knew the second I saw the shirt that the blue stripe was in reference to the stripe on their helmets.

Surely anyone shoppping in the PSU bookstore would know that as well.
yeah, I'm not sure how you get to religion from this. Pretty soon, they'll want three way intersections outlawed as well.

[Mimiheart]

I wouldn't be allowed to wear the cross shirt at the Jewish temple wear I work, nor would I. Offended? No. But when I first saw it, I saw a cross before I saw the words. And I don't wear crosses. I don't know any Jews (not getting into a religious debate on the whole Jews for Jesus thing, any traditional Jews) who would wear crosses.

Does that translate into being offended by other people wearing it? Not really. Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No.

I find it hard to believe that there was no other way to place the words so that it wouldn't look like a cross.

[Greyclouds]

I wouldn't be allowed to wear the cross shirt at the Jewish temple wear I work, nor would I. Offended? No. But when I first saw it, I saw a cross before I saw the words. And I don't wear crosses. I don't know any Jews (not getting into a religious debate on the whole Jews for Jesus thing, any traditional Jews) who would wear crosses.

Does that translate into being offended by other people wearing it? Not really. Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No.

I find it hard to believe that there was no other way to place the words so that it wouldn't look like a cross.

Bolding, mine.

I thought the same thing after someone mentioned the word "cross," but I did not see the cross myself at first. They could have easily made the "PENN STATE" words run vertical rather than horizontal through the line.

I was actually more cognizant of the phrase, "white out," and the purported implications of that phrase. I was simply confused without knowledge of the significance of white at a Penn state game.

[Vaard]

oh.. so "white house" refers to the penn state stadium?

i was wondering why the (government) whitehouse was issuing shirts.......

[muhadeeb99]

I don't get the problem with the shirt? Is it the words "white out" or the cross-like symbols? People need hobbies instead of complaining about idiotic stuff like this...

I seem to remember a saying. Use your imagination and not allow your imagination use you.
What's next, will there be a nationwide exclusion of intersection signs?
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[LouC]

oh.. so "white house" refers to the penn state stadium?

i was wondering why the (government) whitehouse was issuing shirts.......

I missed that completely... :wall:

:))

The Collegian still has it wrong.

Darned College news paper editors... :snooty:

[LouC]

I wouldn't be allowed to wear the cross shirt at the Jewish temple wear I work, nor would I. Offended? No. But when I first saw it, I saw a cross before I saw the words. And I don't wear crosses. I don't know any Jews (not getting into a religious debate on the whole Jews for Jesus thing, any traditional Jews) who would wear crosses.

Does that translate into being offended by other people wearing it? Not really. Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No.

I find it hard to believe that there was no other way to place the words so that it wouldn't look like a cross.

For what it is worth and totally anecdotal: The shirt was designed by student Emily Sabolsky -- who could not be reached for comment by press time -- in a contest sponsored by the Collegian's business division.

Penn State students voted for Sabolksy's design from a slate of other proposals.

Sabolsky's resume, posted on her personal Penn State Web page, lists her as a senior majoring in public relations and minoring in Jewish studies.

[jeepers]

If I were a Jew I would not be offended by words in the shape of a cross, as a Christian, not offended by words in the shape of a star of David, as a ...fill in the blank.

It's a freaking tshirt without religious connotations. It's not rude, or offensive in any way.

Life is too short to always walk around looking to be offended. But if someone offends you like this, then avoid looking at it.

Free speech. It's not hate speech. IT's not gross or disgusting. IMHO, get over it.

[DRS]

It's a freaking tshirt without religious connotations. It's not rude, or offensive in any way.

Life is too short to always walk around looking to be offended. But if someone offends you like this, then avoid looking at it.



When the main focus in you life is looking for that which you precieve is the enemy you see it in every thing, it is called parnoia.

Lot's of people do regardless of political or religous beliefs, there is a whole thread in the WP right now on how the new Saw movie is pro Obama and the Democrats because that is what the person chose to see.

[Mimiheart]

Here's what someone at the university's Hillel said:

Michal Berns, a junior majoring in media law and policy, said she refused to buy the $15 shirt because of its religious connotations.
"At first glance, you don't necessarily think that's what it looks like, but when you look at it more, it does look like a cross," Berns told Foxnews.com. "That's the reason I didn't purchase it."

Berns said students can purchase the shirts when they buy season tickets for the university's nationally ranked football program or during the football season at the campus bookstore and other stores. The shirts are typically worn at Penn State's annual "White Out" game, at which a crowd of 100,000 screaming Nittany Lions fans creates a virtual sea of white at Beaver Stadium.
While Berns acknowledged the shirt's single blue stripe resembles the stripe on the team's football helmet, she and others at the university's Hillel Jewish organization plan to show their school pride in other ways.
"There always has to be some sort of separation," said Berns, referring to the state-funded school and religious affiliation. "Me personally, I'm not going to buy the shirts and I know others at [Penn State Hillel] who won't, either."


Which is more or less what I said. *shrug*


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569665,00.html

Again, it's not really offensive. It's just annoying.

[bella-day]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/Shirt_320A.jpg



Would this shirt offend you?

Would you feel uncomfortable shopping in a college book store with this shirt on the shelf.

Would you feel you are being religiously pressured, oppressed, or persecuted?

Would you feel the overpowering need to fight back against the Evil Tee?

Is a graphic design on a T-shirt that coincidentally has "cross" like elements going to cause the breakdown of western civilization as we know it?

Get a grip people.... :wall:

To answer each of your questions...no to all.

Some people live to be offended. Whoever complained about this shirt really does need to get a life.

[notluzn]

Question would be who would be offended buy a shirt that said "BLACK OUT"

[DRS]

Question would be who would be offended buy a shirt that said "BLACK OUT"

There would be people and heck you may even hear about race politics on talk radio

[FidelisAdMortem]

Everyday Im reminded how many sensitive people who love to complain inhabit the same Country as I do.

[Gabby]

I wouldn't be allowed to wear the cross shirt at the Jewish temple wear I work, nor would I. Offended? No. But when I first saw it, I saw a cross before I saw the words. And I don't wear crosses. I don't know any Jews (not getting into a religious debate on the whole Jews for Jesus thing, any traditional Jews) who would wear crosses.

Does that translate into being offended by other people wearing it? Not really. Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No.

I find it hard to believe that there was no other way to place the words so that it wouldn't look like a cross.
It's not a cross. It's a line, like the line on foot ball helmets. they words are just running through it because that's the way the words fit on the shirt.

Do you use "+" signs for math? How about the letter "t"?

Not everything that has two objects running perpendicular to each other are a cross.

[Gabby]

Anyone trying to make a racial issue out of the shirt is looking for an reason to find racism.

The 'White Out' on the shirt refers to what the stadium will look like with thousands of people wearing the white t-shirts sitting in the stadium... It will be a sea of white t-shirts.

Good Grief.

[Mimiheart]

It's not a cross. It's a line, like the line on foot ball helmets. they words are just running through it because that's the way the words fit on the shirt.

Do you use "+" signs for math? How about the letter "t"?

Not everything that has two objects running perpendicular to each other are a cross.:rolleyes:

[Gabby]

:rolleyes:
why the rolling eyes? If the poeple at your work find a line with words running across it religiously offensive, when it has no religious significance at all... then it's not rediculous at all to thing that the "+" sign and the "t" woud offend them as well.

It's all equally rediculous.

Tell me, what is their reaction to people who are offended by the star of david?

[BillyBobUSA]

I wouldn't be allowed to wear the cross shirt at the Jewish temple wear I work, nor would I. Offended? No. But when I first saw it, I saw a cross before I saw the words. And I don't wear crosses. I don't know any Jews (not getting into a religious debate on the whole Jews for Jesus thing, any traditional Jews) who would wear crosses.

Does that translate into being offended by other people wearing it? Not really. Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No.

I find it hard to believe that there was no other way to place the words so that it wouldn't look like a cross.

What nonsense.

The cross so offends you why? If you lived in Saudi Arabia would all the crescents around make you want to ask them to find another way of doing their graphics?

This nation is overwhelmingly Christian, with isolated islands of secular bilge scattered throughout it.

Seeing a cross once in a while shouldnt shock you.

[twinheart]

oh for heaven's sake - IT'S A TEESHIRT!!!!!! - it is all about school spirit!!!! - with all the other horrendous things going on in the world today THIS offends some??

sad, very sad -

[MrShotShot]

I bet all of those people who are so "offended" by the cross wouldn't even bat an eye if their house had just burned to the ground or was covered in 8 feet of flood waters and these guys showed up .....

[BillyBobUSA]

I bet all of those people who are so "offended" by the cross wouldn't even bat an eye if their house had just burned to the ground or was covered in 8 feet of flood waters and these guys showed up .....


We all know what a bunch of religious fanatic, Taliban-wannabes the American Red Cross is, with that St Georges Cross they use for their symbol, and all.

How insensitive can they be?

/sarcasm

[Nevarwinter]

It's not a cross. It's a line, like the line on foot ball helmets. they words are just running through it because that's the way the words fit on the shirt.

Do you use "+" signs for math? How about the letter "t"?

Not everything that has two objects running perpendicular to each other are a cross.

I don use da ledder. I migh ged some Jesus on me.

I demand that we no longer use the letter C because it looks like the scythe from the communist flag. I'll be sure to complain about it next chance I get.

[Mimiheart]

why the rolling eyes? If the poeple at your work find a line with words running across it religiously offensive, when it has no religious significance at all... then it's not rediculous at all to thing that the "+" sign and the "t" woud offend them as well.

It's all equally rediculous.

Tell me, what is their reaction to people who are offended by the star of david?I specifically said it wasn't offensive, but go ahead and continue to say I said things I didn't. I said it wouldn't be allowed where I work. Where people pray, I wouldn't be allowed to have a sign on of a different religion's god. There's a fairly long rule book on conduct with that--maybe you've heard of it, it's the Tenach, or what the Jews call the Bible. Jews can't appear to be worshiping another god, it's just one of those things. Sorry that offends you.

No, I wouldn't wear a shirt with just a large lowercase "t" on it either, though I can't imagine why I would anyhow.

[Mimiheart]

What nonsense.

The cross so offends you why? If you lived in Saudi Arabia would all the crescents around make you want to ask them to find another way of doing their graphics?

This nation is overwhelmingly Christian, with isolated islands of secular bilge scattered throughout it.

Seeing a cross once in a while shouldnt shock you.
Again, not offended. And I don't live in Saudi Arabia. And this country ISN'T a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, as much as you wish it were so. And apparently you have a problem with my not wanting to BUY a shirt that looks like a cross and that I wouldn't be able to wear it at my religious institution which ISN'T Christian. I'm not shocked at seeing a cross. I actually don't care at all if other people wear them.

[johnrocks]

It doesn't offend me in the least but I kinda support the right of people to buy and wear what they want.

[Greyclouds]

I don use da ledder. I migh ged some Jesus on me.

I demand that we no longer use the letter C because it looks like the scythe from the communist flag. I'll be sure to complain about it next chance I get.

I kounted 5 "c's" in that last sentense, Komrade. Prepare for reedukation!



I think it's ok to be conscious of indirect religious symbolism and to choose to not wear it because of one's own personal perception. My only problem is when such actions (both the use of indirect symbolism and the wearing of it) are condemned by others (and I'm NOT accusing anyone in this thread of doing so).

[Dr. Funkenstein]

http://www.examiner.com/x-19905-Religion-in-the-News-Examiner~y2009m10d27-Penn-State-goes-PC-yanking-Crosslike-Tshirt-from-shelves

If you, like myself, can't see the picture in Lou's post, here's a link to an article that contains a pic of the shirt.

My response?

1. No...I'm not offended, other than on the grounds that white/black/red/orange/etc-outs are patently stupid and accomplish nothing other than making the stadium look weirder on TV than Boise State's blue field.

2. Am I the only one who noticed that the shirt was designed by a Jewish student?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

What nonsense.

The cross so offends you why? If you lived in Saudi Arabia would all the crescents around make you want to ask them to find another way of doing their graphics?

This nation is overwhelmingly Christian, with isolated islands of secular bilge scattered throughout it.

Seeing a cross once in a while shouldnt shock you.

Umm...she said she wouldn't be allowed to wear a shirt that looked like a cross (which it kinda does) to the JEWISH temple where she works.

She did not purport to be offended.

Reading comprehension CAN be difficult some times, so hopefully this helps.

[Mimiheart]

http://www.examiner.com/x-19905-Religion-in-the-News-Examiner~y2009m10d27-Penn-State-goes-PC-yanking-Crosslike-Tshirt-from-shelves (http://www.examiner.com/x-19905-Religion-in-the-News-Examiner%7Ey2009m10d27-Penn-State-goes-PC-yanking-Crosslike-Tshirt-from-shelves)

If you, like myself, can't see the picture in Lou's post, here's a link to an article that contains a pic of the shirt.

My response?

1. No...I'm not offended, other than on the grounds that white/black/red/orange/etc-outs are patently stupid and accomplish nothing other than making the stadium look weirder on TV than Boise State's blue field.

2. Am I the only one who noticed that the shirt was designed by a Jewish student?That editorial isn't quite right, the bookstore sold out. They didn't pull it. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569665,00.html

I don't think the Anti-Defamation League needed to get involved. What the girl from Hillel said was fine.

I've seen that there were two girls who helped design the shirt, one of whom is minoring in Jewish studies.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

That editorial isn't quite right, the bookstore sold out. They didn't pull it. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569665,00.html

I don't think the Anti-Defamation League needed to get involved. What the girl from Hillel said was fine.

I've seen that there were two girls who helped design the shirt, one of whom is minoring in Jewish studies.
I should have realized there might be some exaggeration in an article from examiner.com, but it had the picture so I went with it.

[Mimiheart]

I should have realized there might be some exaggeration in an article from examiner.com, but it had the picture so I went with it.
No problem. I figured I should clear it up, though. ;) 30,000 seems like a good number sold.

[BillyBobUSA]

Again, not offended. And I don't live in Saudi Arabia. And this country ISN'T a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, as much as you wish it were so. And apparently you have a problem with my not wanting to BUY a shirt that looks like a cross and that I wouldn't be able to wear it at my religious institution which ISN'T Christian. I'm not shocked at seeing a cross. I actually don't care at all if other people wear them.

Then why did you say, "Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No."

Why should a school not be selling them?

Different time of day I guess?

BTW, I am quite happy this country is not a theocracy ore else Christianity would be dying here as fast as it is in Europe.

[BillyBobUSA]

Umm...she said she wouldn't be allowed to wear a shirt that looked like a cross (which it kinda does) to the JEWISH temple where she works.

She did not purport to be offended.

Reading comprehension CAN be difficult some times, so hopefully this helps.


Asserting that the school should not be allowed to sell the shirts and posturing as unoffended is a semantic play that doesnt hold up to a moments thought.

Critical thought CAN be difficult some times, so hopefully this helps.

[Mimiheart]

Then why did you say, "Should a school be selling something that looks like a cross? No."

Why should a school not be selling them?

Different time of day I guess?

BTW, I am quite happy this country is not a theocracy ore else Christianity would be dying here as fast as it is in Europe.I don't believe the school should be selling something that promotes one religion over another, especially if it receives state funding. I'd say the same thing if it were in the shape of a Mogen David or the Muslim Cresent. Doesn't mean I'm offended by it.

[ALBOB2]

I don't believe the school should be selling something that promotes one religion over another, especially if it receives state funding. I'd say the same thing if it were in the shape of a Mogen David or the Muslim Cresent. Doesn't mean I'm offended by it.

Ding Ding Ding...........THERE it is. I was wating for someone to come out with that. There's not one single thing in that shirt that promotes ANY religion, much less one over another. I was on your side right up until you made this post. If you honestly believe this shirt is a promotion of religion then you've lost all credibility with me. :confused:

[Mimiheart]

Ding Ding Ding...........THERE it is. I was wating for someone to come out with that. There's not one single thing in that shirt that promotes ANY religion, much less one over another. I was on your side right up until you made this post. If you honestly believe this shirt is a promotion of religion then you've lost all credibility with me. :confused:Follow the conversation:

Me: Should the school sell something that looks like a cross? No

BB: Why are you offended?

Me: I'm not offended.

BB: You are.

Me: I'm not.

BB: You are, why would you say that the school shouldn't sell something that looks like a cross if you weren't offended?

Me: I don't believe they should promote one religion over another.

Now, as it relates to this particular shirt, do I think it's promoting Christianity... not so much. Do I think it looks like a cross? Yes. Let them sell out and don't order any more. (Which is what they did, more because of the logistics of when the game is than any controversy, but whatever.) Do I think that state-funded bookstores should be selling clothing articles (or Jewelry or anything really) that promote any religions? No, I do not. In the future, they should think about these things.

[ALBOB2]

Follow the conversation:

Me: Should the school sell something that looks like a cross? No

BB: Why are you offended?

Me: I'm not offended.

BB: You are.

Me: I'm not.

BB: You are, why would you say that the school shouldn't sell something that looks like a cross if you weren't offended?

Me: I don't believe they should promote one religion over another.

Now, as it relates to this particular shirt, do I think it's promoting Christianity... not so much. Do I think it looks like a cross? Yes. Let them sell out and don't order any more. (Which is what they did, more because of the logistics of when the game is than any controversy, but whatever.) Do I think that state-funded bookstores should be selling clothing articles (or Jewelry or anything really) that promote any religions? No, I do not. In the future, they should think about these things.

I did follow the conversation and I included a direct quote. You can back pedal all you want but, if you honestly believe this shirt promotes one religion over another then you've lost all support from me.

[Clintville]

So it is offensive to Jews because there is a cross? I don't get it.

[LouC]

So it is offensive to Jews because there is a cross? I don't get it.

One complaint was from an atheist.

One complaint was from a Jewish person.

One complaint came from the Anti Defamation League.

The other three complaints came from Vampires.

[freemind]

If someone was offended by this, how could they ever go out in public and not be offended by SOMETHING.

[Rurudyne]

Only white people go to Penn State?

[ISYairio]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/bigoldfartdude/Shirt_320A.jpg



Would this shirt offend you?

Would you feel uncomfortable shopping in a college book store with this shirt on the shelf.

Would you feel you are being religiously pressured, oppressed, or persecuted?

Would you feel the overpowering need to fight back against the Evil Tee?

Is a graphic design on a T-shirt that coincidentally has "cross" like elements going to cause the breakdown of western civilization as we know it?

Get a grip people.... :wall:
No.

No.

No.

No.

No.

I don't really care very much at all... especially if it is true that it won the student vote in a contest.

But... *adjusts PennState positioning a bit (P at beginning lower, e at end higher)* That better? =P

[S.E.]

Ha, at first glance I thought this was a complaint about how these shirts are going to be worn by black people who attend Penn State; as a racial statement to get whitie out. (White OUT)

I guess anything can be offensive if you look at it with a certain perspective.

[Samm]

Anyone trying to make a racial issue out of the shirt is looking for an reason to find racism.

The 'White Out' on the shirt refers to what the stadium will look like with thousands of people wearing the white t-shirts sitting in the stadium... It will be a sea of white t-shirts.

Good Grief.

People looking for issues are too willing to ignore the obvious... like the fact that "white outs" are a common gimmick at sports venues. We have been doing that at our University hockey games for years.

[birddog1]

If someone was offended by this, how could they ever go out in public and not be offended by SOMETHING.

I plan on going out tonight with a chain saw to cut down all those offensive telephone poles in my neighborhood. I will probably need some help with the electric poles and road signs though, are there any other overly offended folks out there willing to help me?

[birddog1]

People looking for issues are too willing to ignore the obvious... like the fact that "white outs" are a common gimmick at sports venues. We have been doing that at our University hockey games for years.

So which catagoery does the hockey game fall into? Religious intolerance or racial inequality?

Just kidding.

[LouC]

I plan on going out tonight with a chain saw to cut down all those offensive telephone poles in my neighborhood. I will probably need some help with the electric poles and road signs though, are there any other overly offended folks out there willing to help me?

Just a hint or two on cutting the poles.

First get a videographer so you can post it on youtube.

Second you don't want to cut them down one at a time, boring, you cut part way through the base of a whole string of them then the last one is the one you cut all the way through.

When it falls is acts like a domino with its wires pulling down the next pole in line and then that one pulls down the next and then that one the next...

Way cool to watch.

Be sure to do this on a calm night or day as an errant wind gust can cause a premature take down. :eek:

[Samm]

So which catagoery does the hockey game fall into? Religious intolerance or racial inequality?

Just kidding.

In this town hockey can easily be mistaken for a religion by a non-aficionado.


... and the game is rife with intolerance. ;)

[Dr. Funkenstein]

One complaint was from an atheist.

One complaint was from a Jewish person.

One complaint came from the Anti Defamation League.

The other three complaints came from Vampires.
My day is now made because I read this post...

[Samm]

Just a hint or two on cutting the poles.

First get a videographer so you can post it on youtube.

Second you don't want to cut them down one at a time, boring, you cut part way through the base of a whole string of them then the last one is the one you cut all the way through.

When it falls is acts like a domino with its wires pulling down the next pole in line and then that one pulls down the next and then that one the next...

Way cool to watch.

Be sure to do this on a calm night or day as an errant wind gust can cause a premature take down. :eek:

Voice of experience? ;)

[rational]

The article I quoted has the text of the shirt.

The 110,000 number on the back of the shirt references the number of fans in the Penn State stadium.

At football games the Penn State fans wave white pom poms and wear white shirts and the stadium "whites out".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asd4KxnkVV4&mode=related&search=

Video is of a game between Penn State and Michigan, it is 1:23 long, it shows the Penn State home stadium crowd doing a "white out" of the stadium in support of the team.

I've always though Penn State had the most boring helmets in college football! They look like practice helmets to me. Why didn't someone way back when come up with a little more colorful design? They could have had a nice lion on there, what's the deal?

[LouC]

I've always though Penn State had the most boring helmets in college football! They look like practice helmets to me. Why didn't someone way back when come up with a little more colorful design? They could have had a nice lion on there, what's the deal?

Maybe this will spark a decision to change them?

[LouC]

Voice of experience? ;)

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