The trouble in malinline churches

[WhiteHatBobby]

If you want to know why mainline churches have been collapsing, a visit to a friend's church (they'd like for me to sing in their Messiah production; our church is doing another karaoke production of a false-doctrine production that costs a few thousand dollars to buy the songbooks and karaoke DVD accompaniment) proved it by showing the liberal gimmicks.

The "World Methodist Social Affirmation" (#886 in the UMC hymnal) is an example of liberalism in motion in churches (and why too many evangelicals voted left). One liberal commentator says this convicted actions of the country under the Bush administration).

Here's what they said:

"We confess our sin, individual and collective, by silence or action

* through the violation of human dignity based on race, class, age, sex, nation, or faith;
* through the exploitation of people because of greed and indifference
* through the misuse of power in personal, communal, national, and international life;
* through the search for security by those military and economic forces that threaten human existence;
* through the abuse of technology which endangers the earth and all life upon it. …"

There's hatred if the military in the Left, and I see it in liberal church activists who write these social documents to attack the military.

[LouC]

All the more reason for me to continue my one on one with God and continue to eschew participating in any organized religion.

I remember when this road was already being trod in the early 70's.

[JediMindTrick]

Your simply seeing something that has occurred hundreds of times in history. Religions come, religions go. Eventually societies either get conquered by a another country and get a religion thrust upon them or the people in a religion get bored and move on. Its usually the former but the christian nations have been at the forefront of the arms race for 2000 years now.

[BillBrown]

Your simply seeing something that has occurred hundreds of times in history. Religions come, religions go. Eventually societies either get conquered by a another country and get a religion thrust upon them or the people in a religion get bored and move on. Its usually the former but the christian nations have been at the forefront of the arms race for 2000 years now.

I don't think a religion that has continued to grow and strengthen over 2000 years is an example of "coming and going".

[JediMindTrick]

I don't think a religion that has continued to grow and strengthen over 2000 years is an example of "coming and going".

Like I said, christian nations have been at the forefront of the technological arms race for the last 2000 years. The only nations that have conquered christian nations are other christian nations. Whereas christian nations conquered and all but wiped out the religions of many other cultures (most of the ones in north and south america for instance).

What your seeing now in christian nations is essentially boredom. Oh sure a majority will still claim belief in god but more and more don't go to church, don't actively worship, and don't follow the strict dogma that was part of the church for so long.

[traditional_woman]

Sadly some don't preach the truth, but let's not let that overide all the many others that do. All this(post) does is fuel non-believers stance. Have you prayed for your friend and this church?

[traditional_woman]

What your seeing now in christian nations is essentially boredom. Oh sure a majority will still claim belief in god but more and more don't go to church, don't actively worship, and don't follow the strict dogma that was part of the church for so long

That's what saddens me. People who claim to be christian, but they are christian only b/c they ''believe'' in God. Ok, satan believes in God too, so does that make him a christian? I can respect those like my hubby, he believes in God, but won't call himself a christian. He doesn't pray, he doesn't go to church, he doesn't seek the Lord in decision making, he doesn't praise or worship God, he doesn't have a relationship(yet) w/ God. Therefore how can he call himself a Christian? I have met those who walk the walk and talk the talk, and don't bring shame to the word ''christianity''. Then again, everyone goes thru seasons, and everyone is not on the same spiritual level, doesn't mean they aren't a work in progress.

[Voxpopuli]

If you want to know why mainline churches have been collapsing, a visit to a friend's church (they'd like for me to sing in their Messiah production; our church is doing another karaoke production of a false-doctrine production that costs a few thousand dollars to buy the songbooks and karaoke DVD accompaniment) proved it by showing the liberal gimmicks.

The "World Methodist Social Affirmation" (#886 in the UMC hymnal) is an example of liberalism in motion in churches (and why too many evangelicals voted left). One liberal commentator says this convicted actions of the country under the Bush administration).

Here's what they said:

"We confess our sin, individual and collective, by silence or action

* through the violation of human dignity based on race, class, age, sex, nation, or faith;
* through the exploitation of people because of greed and indifference
* through the misuse of power in personal, communal, national, and international life;
* through the search for security by those military and economic forces that threaten human existence;
* through the abuse of technology which endangers the earth and all life upon it. …"

There's hatred if the military in the Left, and I see it in liberal church activists who write these social documents to attack the military.

The hymn predates Bush and his father as presidents, not to mention Bush is a Methodist. I am not sure how this can be construed as an attack against Bush or the U.S. military. I would also add that it is part of the Wesleyan heritage to be an advocate for those who suffer from the ravages of war and oppression. I think you are just interpreting this with a political slant.

[WhiteHatBobby]

While yes, this is a mid-1980's piece, with modern liberals and how they feel, they can use this against soldiers. I am praying for my friends and praying that they remove this type of anti-Americanism. The sad thing is churches of all types are now going into the life-enhancement mockery today and I wonder why it's prevalent today.

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

My church actively works against war.

[Voxpopuli]

While yes, this is a mid-1980's piece, with modern liberals and how they feel, they can use this against soldiers. I am praying for my friends and praying that they remove this type of anti-Americanism. The sad thing is churches of all types are now going into the life-enhancement mockery today and I wonder why it's prevalent today.

Take your political hat off for a little while and consider what you are opposing.

Would you rather it read, I pray for the support of:

* The violation of human dignity based on race, class, age, sex, nation, or faith;
* exploitation of people because of greed and indifference
* the misuse of power in personal, communal, national, and international life;
* the search for security by those military and economic forces that threaten human existence;
* through the abuse of technology which endangers the earth and all life upon it. …"

[Old_Mil]

You'll be hard pressed to find any Christians - at least anyone you'd consider any sort of a Christian by applying some sort of biblically derived definition - in the realm of modern Methodism. This has been going on for years now - in 98, rituals worshipping the pagan goddess Sophia were conducted at a UM pastor's conference in Orlando.

Like the Episcopal Church, the real Christians got out decades ago and what is left is a rotting man-made edifice that in another generation will mean nothing to anyone left alive on earth. The Church of England itself will have long since been conquered by Islam by then as well.

[jimjames418]

My church actively works against war.
Even the military actively works against war, but it doesn't mean they won't fight one when it is necessary.

If there was no war, peace would mean nothing.

[Voxpopuli]

You'll be hard pressed to find any Christians - at least anyone you'd consider any sort of a Christian by applying some sort of biblically derived definition - in the realm of modern Methodism. This has been going on for years now - in 98, rituals worshipping the pagan goddess Sophia were conducted at a UM pastor's conference in Orlando.

Like the Episcopal Church, the real Christians got out decades ago and what is left is a rotting man-made edifice that in another generation will mean nothing to anyone left alive on earth. The Church of England itself will have long since been conquered by Islam by then as well.

That is quite a load you just delivered there.