The Wife said it Best "N1H1" shots [Archive]

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 1:11 pm

Whats in a flu shot you ask? Not good at all and I won't get my daughter a flu shot ever. This is just one site and there are more saying the same thing. Scary!!!
http://proliberty.com/observer//20041105.htm
How is the human body supposed to build immunity by being exposed to neurotoxic poisons like mercury and formaldehyde? Mercury is the second most toxic material on the planet. The first is radioactive plutonium.

Mercury/aluminum-To make thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative commonly found in vaccines, they start with elemental mercury. Then, they hop it up 1,000 times by converting it to ethyl mercury. Then, they add aluminum to the vaccine because it has a synergistic effect with the mercury, causing it to be 10,000 times more toxic than elemental mercury. Thimerosal is used to sterilize the flu vaccine.

Consider this insanity: They tell us that it's unsafe to touch or swallow the mercury from a broken thermometer yet it's perfectly acceptable to inject the same poison directly into your bloodstream through a vaccine. Don't worry! Your doctor knows what's best for you.

Formaldehyde-Now let's look at formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is classified as a toxic, colorless, water-soluble gas having a suffocating odor. It's used predominantly in embalming fluid and vaccines as a disinfectant and preservative. There are no long-term safety studies that vaccine manufacturers can draw from to validate the safety of the flu shot. Those that take the shot are the safety studies and only 10 percent of the side effects associated with vaccines are ever reported to federal agencies. In fact, a simple search on the Internet will lead you to literally thousands of websites and stories that report on vaccine injuries, including the flu shot. What you find will not put you at ease if you've bought into this myth.

psyko kat

October 26th, 2009, 2:25 pm

its been well over a decade since i had a flu shot.......

i will not be getting a h1n1 shot either.......

same here, I had one when I was 'a kid', I'm not taking any damm shot for anyone...

Dragon1963

October 26th, 2009, 6:02 pm

Whats in a flu shot you ask? Not good at all and I won't get my daughter a flu shot ever. This is just one site and there are more saying the same thing. Scary!!!
http://proliberty.com/observer//20041105.htm

Think about it.

There have been billions of people given vaccines of all types over the past 50+ years. If these chemicals were as dangerous and deadly as this website says they are; why haven't we seen hundreds of millions of people dead or severely incapacitated by them?

Concern about the safety of vaccines is one thing. Being paranoid about them is another.

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 6:04 pm

Dragon1963

October 26th, 2009, 6:09 pm

I get sick and ill every time I get one. So do a lot of people I know. not worth it and all hype IMO

So do I, but I've never gotten sick from any other type of vaccine other than the flu, so I would say its the flu strains and not the chemicals in the vaccine. Remember these chemicals are used in almost all vaccines made not just the flu vaccine.

blackcatrun

October 26th, 2009, 6:29 pm

So do I, but I've never gotten sick from any other type of vaccine other than the flu, so I would say its the flu strains and not the chemicals in the vaccine. Remember these chemicals are used in almost all vaccines made not just the flu vaccine.

Yeah it's one of the problems my kid has. Instant reactions to chemicals in the vaccines.
Which is why they test before they poke a needle in him. It also might ask the question why alzhymers numbers shot up in the early 80 and 90's.

It's better to just sweat out the N1H1 if one is healthy enough to stand most flu's.

Dragon1963

October 26th, 2009, 6:37 pm

Yeah it's one of the problems my kid has. Instant reactions to chemicals in the vaccines.
Which is why they test before they poke a needle in him. It also might ask the question why alzhymers numbers shot up in the early 80 and 90's.

It's better to just sweat out the N1H1 if one is healthy enough to stand most flu's.

Some people are chemically sensitive, I'm not. As for Alzheimer's and autism; I think its more to do with the amount of high fructose corn syrup that hit the market in the 80' and continues on today. I mean most people get only one or two vaccines a year (kids up to 5 or 6), but just about anything not artificially sweetened has high fructose corn syrup as the sweetener.

RTchoke

October 26th, 2009, 6:40 pm

I get sick and ill every time I get one. So do a lot of people I know. not worth it and all hype IMO

So do I. They tell you that you can't get sick from the shot but every damn time I was sick within a few days. Haven't had a shot in years now and haven't gotten sick with the flu for awhile. I don't care what they say. People in the office who didn't get the shot didn't get sick like some of us who did.

Dragon1963

October 26th, 2009, 6:49 pm

So do I. They tell you that you can't get sick from the shot but every damn time I was sick within a few days. Haven't had a shot in years now and haven't gotten sick with the flu for awhile. I don't care what they say. People in the office who didn't get the shot didn't get sick like some of us who did.

I still get sick with the flu almost every year. I rarely spend more than four days being sick. Funny thing is that when I got the flu shot I was sick for the same four days but the symptoms were worse with the flu shot than without it.

RTchoke

October 26th, 2009, 6:55 pm

I still get sick with the flu almost every year. I rarely spend more than four days being sick. Funny thing is that when I got the flu shot I was sick for the same four days but the symptoms were worse with the flu shot than without it.

I've been pretty lucky in that I haven't gotten it for awhile. It never failed though. Got the shot, got sick within a few days and was still sick later on in the year.. I've had better luck without the shot. In our office since the shots were free (govt worker, go figure :rolleyes:) just about everyone got one and they strongly suggested everyone do it. Not everyone did, since it was their choice, but there really wasn't that much of a difference in the amount of people out sick with the flu. It seemed to be pretty much the same year from year even though the number of people who got the shot varied from year to year. That's when I decided hell with it and didn't get one.

blackcatrun

October 26th, 2009, 6:58 pm

Some people are chemically sensitive, I'm not. As for Alzheimer's and autism; I think its more to do with the amount of high fructose corn syrup that hit the market in the 80' and continues on today. I mean most people get only one or two vaccines a year (kids up to 5 or 6), but just about anything not artificially sweetened has high fructose corn syrup as the sweetener.

I would disargee it my thoughts corn syrup has alot to do with blood suger problems.

I am more thinking it has alot to with clorien and floride. Florideis a toxic substance that a by product of aluminum smelting.

Dragon1963

October 26th, 2009, 7:16 pm

I would disargee it my thoughts corn syrup has alot to do with blood suger problems.

I am more thinking it has alot to with clorien and floride. Florideis a toxic substance that a by product of aluminum smelting.

To me its all a matter of how a chemical is combined with another. Many toxic minerals when combined with other chemicals become nontoxic after the combination. Also think of the molecular make up of many chemicals that are safe. Many have elements that are toxic in and of themselves until they combine with other elements and become nontoxic.
Much of what we hear about how bad things like fluorides and other chemicals come from people who do no studies or even have an idea of how chemistry works and the lack of scientific study in schools has made it easy many fall for the thimerosal causes Alzheimer's and autism scare tactic.

super cool ski instructor

October 26th, 2009, 7:24 pm

never had a flu shot - don't intend to start now -

Ditto

Samm

October 26th, 2009, 8:35 pm

Think about it.

There have been billions of people given vaccines of all types over the past 50+ years. If these chemicals were as dangerous and deadly as this website says they are; why haven't we seen hundreds of millions of people dead or severely incapacitated by them?

Concern about the safety of vaccines is one thing. Being paranoid about them is another.

It is the same logic that some people use to vilify anything that they don't like... seatbelts, guns... you name it. Document one bad experience and they should all be banned.

"Never mind how many people get vaccinated that don't have any ill effects and who won't get sick and possibly die; if even one person has had a bad reaction to the stuff I would rather take my chances and face death like a man."

I say let 'em get sick... then they will have something to really whine about. ;)

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 9:15 pm

It is the same logic that some people use to vilify anything that they don't like... seatbelts, guns... you name it. Document one bad experience and they should all be banned.

"Never mind how many people get vaccinated that don't have any ill effects and who won't get sick and possibly die; if even one person has had a bad reaction to the stuff I would rather take my chances and face death like a man."

I say let 'em get sick... then they will have something to really whine about. ;)

Yeah just like people that hyped up the computer crash of 2000.. Goverment did. I was laughing at all the morons that went out crazy to be prepared. What a Joke.! If you think mercury isn't bad for your brain you need a lesson in chemistry. Second most deadly toxic only to radiation

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 9:16 pm

So do I. They tell you that you can't get sick from the shot but every damn time I was sick within a few days. Haven't had a shot in years now and haven't gotten sick with the flu for awhile. I don't care what they say. People in the office who didn't get the shot didn't get sick like some of us who did.
I know that everyone that got the shot or the mist got sick and ill and those that didn't never got sick. 2+2=4 but some want to argue that. :)) :))

drylok

October 26th, 2009, 9:18 pm

Bunch of dramatic hype. It's just a damn flu, not airborne HIV for Christ sakes! :rolleyes:

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 9:19 pm

Bunch of dramatic hype. It's just a damn flu for Christ sakes! :rolleyes:

Don't tell Obama that because it's more important than the soldiers in Afghanistan

drylok

October 26th, 2009, 9:54 pm

Wife just said that a teacher she works with who was diagonosed last Thursday was back to school today. She did not get the vaccine and when she was diagnosed they gave her Vicam or something like that. She said by Saturday night she was good to go.

jwil59

October 26th, 2009, 10:22 pm

What a bunch of hype created by the Media and the Government. Look at all the people going wacko to get a shot they don't need. Amazing how sheeple they are. Don't get the shot.It also might be worse than getting the flu as the reaction to the shot might just be death as well.

How do you know they don't need it???

My doctor says I need it and he is much smarter than you with this kinda stuff

jwil59

October 26th, 2009, 10:22 pm

Bunch of dramatic hype. It's just a damn flu, not airborne HIV for Christ sakes! :rolleyes:

Are you a doctor??

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 10:44 pm

How do you know they don't need it???

My doctor says I need it and he is much smarter than you with this kinda stuffDoctors have to push meds. Aks that same Doctor about Mercury in the body of 10000 times the US GOV regulation standards. I bet he'll tell you stay away from that subtance. I also bet that he has no clue to whats in it.

notluzn

October 26th, 2009, 10:48 pm

Are you a doctor??

I have to ask as well. Are you a Politician or have a Political Science Degree? Just askin.

jwil59

October 26th, 2009, 11:36 pm

Doctors have to push meds. Aks that same Doctor about Mercury in the body of 10000 times the US GOV regulation standards. I bet he'll tell you stay away from that subtance. I also bet that he has no clue to whats in it.

My doctor don't push meds, that's ridiculous. For you to say he don't know what he is saying without even knowing the man is ridiculous too, silly as can be

I also talked with 4 different specialty docs at Church yesterday and they say the best bet is to get the shot.

Like I said, I will go with the actual EXPERTS instead of the political zealots on the internet, but thanks anyway

jwil59

October 26th, 2009, 11:39 pm

I have to ask as well. Are you a Politician or have a Political Science Degree? Just askin.

I do have a minor in political science but I was a business major. I did the political science stuff cause at the time I had apserations to be a lawyer. Looking back it was w waste of time and money.

Politics and the medical field are not even 10th cousins though

Greyclouds

October 27th, 2009, 9:37 am

Yeah just like people that hyped up the computer crash of 2000.. Goverment did. I was laughing at all the morons that went out crazy to be prepared.

Yes, the hype was bad about y2k. Did such hype help reduce the strain on several institutions that would have been influenced by their flawed computer dating methods?

What a Joke.! If you think mercury isn't bad for your brain you need a lesson in chemistry. Second most deadly toxic only to radiation

And you accuse vaccination proponents of hype? Mercury is toxic at a ~5 to 15 ppm (parts per million) in young adults and non-immunocompromised adults (note: AGE IS IMPORTANT TO TOXICOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT).

As far as children and developing embryos are concerned, Bisphenol-A is more toxic, having the ability to disrupt development at a concentration that is SEVERAL orders of magnitude LESS than mercury. http://www.cleanwateraction.org/press/toxic-chemical-bisphenol-bpa-banned-connecticut

Marleysdaddy

October 27th, 2009, 9:46 am

I get sick and ill every time I get one. So do a lot of people I know.
Then don't get them, and rely on the herd immunity to keep you alive.

Millions of people don't react to immunizations (in fact I don't personally know anyone who has ever had a reaction more severe than soreness or a mild fever), so you can depend on them for your health.

Marleysdaddy

October 27th, 2009, 9:49 am

If you think mercury isn't bad for your brain you need a lesson in chemistry. Second most deadly toxic only to radiation(emphasis mine)

[citation needed]

Marleysdaddy

October 27th, 2009, 9:52 am

I know that everyone that got the shot or the mist got sick and ill and those that didn't never got sick. 2+2=4 but some want to argue that. :)) :))

See, that's the problem with universal statements

I know several people who have had the H1N1 shot, and they did not have any reaction to it.

So you are wrong, not "everyone that [sic] got the shot" got sick...

RTchoke

October 27th, 2009, 11:55 am

See, that's the problem with universal statements

I know several people who have had the H1N1 shot, and they did not have any reaction to it.

So you are wrong, not "everyone that [sic] got the shot" got sick...

I believe we were talking about the seasonal flu shot, not H1N1.

Greyclouds

October 27th, 2009, 11:59 am

I believe we were talking about the seasonal flu shot, not H1N1.

Then, in that case, there really isn't any thing to discuss. There are "preservative-free" doses of the Seasonal flu vaccine available (about 50 million doses in the US; primarily allocated for children) that contain such low concentrations of thimerosal as to no longer hold the preservative qualities of the compound.

http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/ABOUT/QA/thimerosal.htm

RTchoke

October 27th, 2009, 12:12 pm

Then, in that case, there really isn't any thing to discuss. There are "preservative-free" doses of the Seasonal flu vaccine available (about 50 million doses in the US; primarily allocated for children) that contain such low concentrations of thimerosal as to no longer hold the preservative qualities of the compound.

http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/ABOUT/QA/thimerosal.htm

Are you even following the conversation? Some of us were talking about our own experiences with how some people including ourselves still were getting sick whether we got the "the shot" or not. :rolleyes:

notluzn

October 27th, 2009, 12:23 pm

No matter how you look at it, it's still hype from the media and the government. I can list many many many things that the news media will get and run with it for a long time and then when something new comes about, they focus on that and no one is worried about what they were talking about before. HYPE HYPE HYPE is the focus on peoples fear...

I remember when they were acting like AIDS was going to kill everyone. :)) :)) I'm telling you that the media sticks it's head so deep into the poop that everyone else gets caught up in the drama of scare. Sad!
Yes, the hype was bad about y2k. Did such hype help reduce the strain on several institutions that would have been influenced by their flawed computer dating methods?

And you accuse vaccination proponents of hype? Mercury is toxic at a ~5 to 15 ppm (parts per million) in young adults and non-immunocompromised adults (note: AGE IS IMPORTANT TO TOXICOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT).

As far as children and developing embryos are concerned, Bisphenol-A is more toxic, having the ability to disrupt development at a concentration that is SEVERAL orders of magnitude LESS than mercury. http://www.cleanwateraction.org/press/toxic-chemical-bisphenol-bpa-banned-connecticut

Greyclouds

October 27th, 2009, 12:23 pm

Are you even following the conversation? Some of us were talking about our own experiences with how some people including ourselves still were getting sick whether we got the "the shot" or not. :rolleyes:

It happens.

The seasonal influenza vaccine does not offer antigens to all flu strains that are present in any one season. It's nearly impossible to do so!

If you're talking about allergic reactions to the shots themselves, then they are far less prevalent. Oftentimes if you are allergic to eggs, you will be allergic to the vaccine. There are also a select few cases where people were allergic to the antigens in the vaccine as well.

This is all well documented by the CDC on their FAQ pages.

I was under the impression that the attacks on the vaccine by some posters in this thread were on the Swine flu vaccine and due to its mercury content (ethyl-mercury to be specific). Was that not the case?

Dragon1963

October 27th, 2009, 12:24 pm

Are you even following the conversation? Some of us were talking about our own experiences with how some people including ourselves still were getting sick whether we got the "the shot" or not. :rolleyes:

Some of us have been going total paranoid and using blanket statements about how toxic the incredibly tiny amounts of mercury in a single dose of flu vaccine are when there's no proof that thimerosol causes any problems. I've even seen some on the board going truly overboard at the possibility of quarantining people. Quarantines have been an effective way to stop the spread of diseases for centuries and yet to some it's now almost the end of the world.

notluzn

October 27th, 2009, 12:25 pm

Then don't get them, and rely on the herd immunity to keep you alive.

Millions of people don't react to immunizations (in fact I don't personally know anyone who has ever had a reaction more severe than soreness or a mild fever), so you can depend on them for your health. I'll give you ther names of 11 people. Oh and you now know me :) Im Jeff and I get sick after recieving the flu shot "EVERY TIME" and then I have to take days off of work and I hate that. :(

Greyclouds

October 27th, 2009, 12:26 pm

notluzn

October 27th, 2009, 12:34 pm

Fear sells newspapers and gets people's attention. Free market news media monopolies in action!

Having said that, do you not have a right to be informed? Hype or not, would you rather prefer not knowing about the swine flu and predictions on its effects across the country?

I don't actually think it should be a daily #1 talked about issue on the news. Sure, let us know that a new strain of flu is out but that is common for flu to be a new strain all the time. When the gov and the media overblows an issue, the public goes crazy.

RTchoke

October 27th, 2009, 12:39 pm

It happens.

The seasonal influenza vaccine does not offer antigens to all flu strains that are present in any one season. It's nearly impossible to do so!

If you're talking about allergic reactions to the shots themselves, then they are far less prevalent. Oftentimes if you are allergic to eggs, you will be allergic to the vaccine. There are also a select few cases where people were allergic to the antigens in the vaccine as well.

This is all well documented by the CDC on their FAQ pages.

I was under the impression that the attacks on the vaccine by some posters in this thread were on the Swine flu vaccine and due to its mercury content (ethyl-mercury to be specific). Was that not the case?

I know there isn't any way to protect against all strains of flu in the seasonal shot. IIRC they only do the three most prevalent strains or some thing like that. Having helped set up and get it done in our office with out nurse for our agency area we talked quite a bit about it. I

Everybody can argue what ever point they want for taking it or not taking it. I myself was just making a comment about how I was always sicker when ever I got the shot. That just may be how I react. When I didn't get the shot I was much healthier and rarely got sick.

I'm not going to argue all the technical point of mercury etc. because that wasn't the part of the thread I was addressing. :razz:

RTchoke

October 27th, 2009, 12:40 pm

Marleysdaddy

October 27th, 2009, 1:05 pm

I believe we were talking about the seasonal flu shot, not H1N1.

Okay then, that makes my argument against the universal statement even more strong.

I know hundreds of people who get the seasonal flu shot and have no side effects.

5thIDSoldier

October 27th, 2009, 1:11 pm

What a bunch of hype created by the Media and the Government. Look at all the people going wacko to get a shot they don't need. Amazing how sheeple they are. Don't get the shot.It also might be worse than getting the flu as the reaction to the shot might just be death as well.

My wife is an RN at a major hospital in our area. 95% of the employees are refusing the shot.

RTchoke

October 27th, 2009, 1:18 pm

Okay then, that makes my argument against the universal statement even more strong.

I know hundreds of people who get the seasonal flu shot and have no side effects.

You know hundreds of people? Bet it sucks having to send out all those Christmas cards. :))

Just kiddin". :razz:

I hope you didn't think my statement was meant as a blanket one because it wasn't. I even said some got sick others didn't. It was just a person story about why I don't get a flu shot anymore. I was always sick after getting it and got sick more often throughout the year than those times when I didn't get the shot. Some people at work were like me, others got a little sick after the shot and were never sick again with the flu. It depends on the strains they have in the shot. I can only speak for those I witnessed at our office and those family members I am around.

notluzn

October 27th, 2009, 1:32 pm

My wife is an RN at a major hospital in our area. 95% of the employees are refusing the shot.
Very telling.

RTchoke

October 27th, 2009, 2:00 pm

My wife is an RN at a major hospital in our area. 95% of the employees are refusing the shot.

Are they allowed to continue working if they don't get it?

59Flash

October 27th, 2009, 3:20 pm

I'm glad that I don't need the shot (I had H1N1 a few weeks ago) I'm afraid of needles. I can't even watch someone getting a shot. I still get shots now and then but it's like a kind of torture for me. I get all sweaty and tense up real bad. I had an IV one time that my wife had to crawl on top of me to hold me still so the nurse could stab me. (that was AFTER they gave me a $10 Valium) *LOL*

Dragon1963

October 27th, 2009, 4:48 pm

Well, darn it. How do you get control over teh zombies if you don't quarantine? :confused:

You kill every single zombie you find and hope one doesn't bit you. ;)

Samm

October 27th, 2009, 5:39 pm

Some of us have been going total paranoid and using blanket statements about how toxic the incredibly tiny amounts of mercury in a single dose of flu vaccine are when there's no proof that thimerosol causes any problems. I've even seen some on the board going truly overboard at the possibility of quarantining people. Quarantines have been an effective way to stop the spread of diseases for centuries and yet to some it's now almost the end of the world.

Correct. Besides, Thimerosal is not mercury... it is a mercurial compound. The mercury is not "free" and does not act like free mercury in the body. It metabolises into ethylmercury, which is readily expelled by the body over a relatively short time span. It may (theoretically) pose a very slight risk if one is exposed to numerous Thimerosal containing vaccines at one time and it is slow to purge (due to individual metabolics) but it is far less dangerous than the bacteria that it is designed to kill. It is also noteworthy that it is not used in single dose vials... there is no need to add the preservative because once the seal is pierced by the needle, the vial is discarded so bacterial growth in the vaccine is not an issue.

Dragon1963

October 27th, 2009, 10:28 pm

Correct. Besides, Thimerosal is not mercury... it is a mercurial compound. The mercury is not "free" and does not act like free mercury in the body. It metabolises into ethylmercury, which is readily expelled by the body over a relatively short time span. It may (theoretically) pose a very slight risk if one is exposed to numerous Thimerosal containing vaccines at one time and it is slow to purge (due to individual metabolics) but it is far less dangerous than the bacteria that it is designed to kill. It is also noteworthy that it is not used in single dose vials... there is no need to add the preservative because once the seal is pierced by the needle, the vial is discarded so bacterial growth in the vaccine is not an issue.

The whole H1N1 thing is being way over hyped by both sides.

5thIDSoldier

October 28th, 2009, 10:28 am

Are they allowed to continue working if they don't get it?

Yes, otherwise the hospital would be shut down. That would cost the community access to the ER and other needed services.

5thIDSoldier

October 28th, 2009, 10:32 am

Very telling.

Indeed. 10 years from now we will find out the shot gave you something far worse than the flu.

30,000 people a year die from the regular flu and you never hear a single word about it; but let a single person die from something with an obscure name and the national media makes it into a federal emergency.

RTchoke

October 28th, 2009, 11:56 am

Yes, otherwise the hospital would be shut down. That would cost the community access to the ER and other needed services.

Thanks. I was just wondering because there have been reports from some places that if hospital/medical workers didn't get vaccinated, they weren 't allowed to work or had to work with a mask or other restrictions.

I was just bein' nosy. :razz:

Samm

October 28th, 2009, 4:39 pm

Indeed. 10 years from now we will find out the shot gave you something far worse than the flu.

That fear has absolutely no factual basis. No flu vaccine has been shown to have caused a long term problem that was worse than the illness it was intended to prevent. You said it yourself... 30,000 people a year (in this country alone) die from flu... what could be a worse long term problem than that?

30,000 people a year die from the regular flu and you never hear a single word about it; but let a single person die from something with an obscure name and the national media makes it into a federal emergency.

That too is without foundation. Each and every year the CDC uses the annual death rate from flu as an incentive to get the seasonal flu vaccine.

But I agree, the Obama Administration is hyping the H1N1 to divert attention from their insidious agenda. The Rahm Emanuel Doctrine is alive and well at the White House.

S.E.

October 28th, 2009, 4:58 pm

No flu vaccine has been shown to have caused a long term problem that was worse than the illness it was intended to prevent.

Are you sure about that?

S.E.

October 28th, 2009, 5:10 pm

One could even throw an H1N1 party. They are happening. These parties bring someone affected with H1N1 and throw a party so that all those at the party will catch it and build immunity.

Silentnomore

October 28th, 2009, 5:20 pm

Thanks. I was just wondering because there have been reports from some places that if hospital/medical workers didn't get vaccinated, they weren 't allowed to work or had to work with a mask or other restrictions.

I was just bein' nosy. :razz:

If you don't get the vaccine here and have patient contact, you must wear a mask thru the duration (March). We were notified today that there are no where near enough vaccines available and they would be given to risk groups only.

MattieV

October 28th, 2009, 5:34 pm

Are you sure about that?

In 1976, 565 people vaccinated against the swine flu became paralized with a nerve disorder called Gullian Barre syndrome, 25 of the 565 died from the vaccine. Some say that this was the worst vaccine disaster in U.S. history.

Apparently today's H1N1 vaccine is much different and more safe than the one made in 1976. :pray::pray:

Samm

October 28th, 2009, 6:15 pm

Are you sure about that?

Let me rephrase that... I have never seen any evidence that any flu vaccine has been shown to have caused a long term problem that was worse than the illness it was intended to prevent. Even the Gullian Barre syndrome incident in the 70s, (which was an anecdotal coincidence - no absolute connection was determined) was considerably less severe compared to the potential deaths due to the swine flu that surely were prevented by that vaccine. All vaccines carry some risk to some people, but the over all benefit to society is unquestionable.

Samm

October 28th, 2009, 6:28 pm

One could even throw an H1N1 party. They are happening. These parties bring someone affected with H1N1 and throw a party so that all those at the party will catch it and build immunity.

There is a good way to test the vaccine... go to a H1N1 party after you have taken the shot and given your immune system sufficient time to develop antibodies. Have fun. Be sure to send all your sick friends flowers and a card. ;)