V

[Lego-Man]

Back in 1984 or 1985, NBC had a minseries on that was about a fleet of ships that arrived at Earth and hovered over our major cities. The aliens looked like us, and they said they needed a chemical to help fix their planet because of the ecological damage they caused it.

However, they weren't like us, they were reptilian beings in disguise. They were here to steal our water and they wanted to enslave the human race for food and foot troops against their other enemies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBEIZYCSy5g&NR=1

Eventually NBC went on to make a miniseries that finished the story started in the original miniseries, and then went on to produce a series that lasted one season. It eventually became a formulaic show of good humans vs bad aliens. However, it was still a fairly good show in itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWJcygHAZo&feature=related

The NBC show was a comment on Nazism, and if you watched the shows, their emblems and icons looked like variations of Nazi markings and icons.

Well, ABC is remaking the series or at least the miniseries, and it looks good from the previews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHvBB08GoS0&NR=1

This video is a compilation of the current promos for the new series. I reserve judgment until I see the show, but I think it may be a fair show.

I do think there will be political messages hidden in the show. Hopefully, it won't be too political to be enjoyable.

[Dragon1963]

Considering the propensity of current writers to ruin a show or movie that's being remade. I'll pass on this "updated" version.

[Lego-Man]

Normally I would agree with you. However, NBC let the original start to get silly towards the end and kill off most of the main characters. Not only that, you could tell they went out of their way in the last few episodes to wrap it off that the stories got stupid.

It was a good idea, and if ABC is careful, they could have a fairly good show that could run a couple of seasons or more. Should this only be a miniseries, then they could do it as a good and long movie.

[Dragon1963]

Normally I would agree with you. However, NBC let the original start to get silly towards the end and kill off most of the main characters. Not only that, you could tell they went out of their way in the last few episodes to wrap it off that the stories got stupid.

It was a good idea, and if ABC is careful, they could have a fairly good show that could run a couple of seasons or more. Should this only be a miniseries, then they could do it as a good and long movie.

From the commercials I've seen this is going to be a hack job of political stereotypes on both conservative and liberal archetypes. Another reason not to watch in my opinion.

[Lego-Man]

I did say I thought there would be political content.

[FranklySpeaking]

Back in 1984 or 1985, NBC had a minseries on that was about a fleet of ships that arrived at Earth and hovered over our major cities. The aliens looked like us, and they said they needed a chemical to help fix their planet because of the ecological damage they caused it.

However, they weren't like us, they were reptilian beings in disguise. They were here to steal our water and they wanted to enslave the human race for food and foot troops against their other enemies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBEIZYCSy5g&NR=1

Eventually NBC went on to make a miniseries that finished the story started in the original miniseries, and then went on to produce a series that lasted one season. It eventually became a formulaic show of good humans vs bad aliens. However, it was still a fairly good show in itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUWJcygHAZo&feature=related

The NBC show was a comment on Nazism, and if you watched the shows, their emblems and icons looked like variations of Nazi markings and icons.

Well, ABC is remaking the series or at least the miniseries, and it looks good from the previews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHvBB08GoS0&NR=1

This video is a compilation of the current promos for the new series. I reserve judgment until I see the show, but I think it may be a fair show.

I do think there will be political messages hidden in the show. Hopefully, it won't be too political to be enjoyable.


I remembered that mini-series. Liked the Martian Chronicles mini-series better.

This show looks too hyped.

Besides, I've come to dislike that Bailey (?) character from that show "Party of Five". He went on to play in "Everwood".

And, aside from that, what is Julia, from "Lost", doing in that show ?

[Lego-Man]

I remembered that mini-series. Liked the Martian Chronicles mini-series better.

This show looks too hyped.

Besides, I've come to dislike that Bailey (?) character from that show "Party of Five". He went on to play in "Everwood".

And, aside from that, what is Julia, from "Lost", doing in that show ?

I never watched either of the shows you mentioned, but to answer your question, I hope it's because she had the best audition.

[FranklySpeaking]

I never watched either of the shows you mentioned, but to answer your question, I hope it's because she had the best audition.

I was really just wondering if that means she won't be a returning character or have smaller parts on Lost.

[badkarma]

hopefully they will forgo the ridiculous plot line of the visitors coming to earth for food and water this time around.

Maybe they will go with Jerry Pournelle and Larry Nivens take on it, where the visitors are actually descended from a race of intelligent dinosaurs that escaped from a dying earth millions of years ago and are now returning.

[Lego-Man]

I was really just wondering if that means she won't be a returning character or have smaller parts on Lost.

I would imagine it depends on if this will be a full series or if this is a miniseries. As I don't watch "Lost", which one is she on this show - The alien woman I am assuming to be the commander?

[Lego-Man]

hopefully they will forgo the ridiculous plot line of the visitors coming to earth for food and water this time around.From what I read elsewhere (don't remember where), that is what they are here for.

Maybe they will go with Jerry Pournelle and Larry Nivens take on it, where the visitors are actually descended from a race of intelligent dinosaurs that escaped from a dying earth millions of years ago and are now returning.I don't know - I haven't heard that one yet.

[JediMindTrick]

I was really just wondering if that means she won't be a returning character or have smaller parts on Lost.

It was revealed months ago that Juliet will appear in season six but will have a much reduced role.

[JediMindTrick]

This show is pretty much D.O.A. for those that don't know. ABC apparently had serious reservations about the product and decided to only show the first four episodes this fall. Then the show will go on hiatus (kiss of death) for several months before being brought back in the spring. Sci Fi shows always struggle on network TV and breaking up the show like this could very well kill it.

[Lego-Man]

This show is pretty much D.O.A. for those that don't know. ABC apparently had serious reservations about the product and decided to only show the first four episodes this fall. Then the show will go on hiatus (kiss of death) for several months before being brought back in the spring. Sci Fi shows always struggle on network TV and breaking up the show like this could very well kill it.

Figures - makes one wonder what's with the hype. If they had these reservations, they should have made it a mini instead of a full series.

[badkarma]

I don't know - I haven't heard that one yet.
they wrote it years ago. When the original V the Series was floundering the people in charge brought in niven and pournelle, and that is what they came up with.

[Darkblade]

generally shows like this are used as political commentary. since the shows villains closely resemble a certain current american leader a bit ABC is probably reluctant because even if that was not their intent or they intended a different target the public will make that connection.

[JediMindTrick]

Figures - makes one wonder what's with the hype. If they had these reservations, they should have made it a mini instead of a full series.

They were excited about it until they saw the product that had been made. They ordered the creators to seriously rework the concept which is why the break is occurring so that they can fix everything the powers that be in the network felt was wrong. What this means to me is that the show was probably good to start with and will now be fluff. Networks seem to always screw up this kind of thing when it comes to Sci Fi as the only time Sci Fi is good on network TV is when the head honchos keep their hands off of it like they have done with Lost (Lost though didn't start out as obvious Sci Fi which is probably the only reason it was able to happen).

[mboncher]

All I know is that the original V (which I own) was one party excellent one part hackneyed. The acting was bad, the special effects by today's standards are beyond laughable. BUT... the concepts were stellar. Absolutely stellar.

Heavy nazi overtones with the Visitors, and a real heavy hand on other aspects of political subtleties of the era which were common in those days. With the current administration, I wonder how hushed any mention of similarities will be, unlike the W admin which were veritably crowed from V for Vendetta and others negative government films.

I don't know how well things are going to go with this remake, and I'm quite worried. AFAIK I thought it was only a mini-series like the original, not going into direct show production. Sort of the same way they relaunched BSG.

Hopes are not high, but I will see it for nostalgia's sake.

[nortman]

With the politics in Hollywood today, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the aliens didn't kill people by inviting them to "Tea Partys" and then kidnap and kill them.

[JediMindTrick]

Heavy nazi overtones with the Visitors, and a real heavy hand on other aspects of political subtleties of the era which were common in those days. With the current administration, I wonder how hushed any mention of similarities will be, unlike the W admin which were veritably crowed from V for Vendetta and others negative government films.



Just a point of contention. V for Vendetta was written by a Brit starting in 1982. It was also fairly faithful to the source material. So suggesting it was a bash on Bush means the author must have been psychic. A bash on Margaret Thatcher perhaps but certainly not a guy who was still eighteen years from being president. The movie also came out during a time (and we are still in that time) when Hollywood was mining non superhero comics for ideas. V was just one of those along with movies like Sin City, 300, The Spirit, A History of Violence, Ghost World, and Wanted amongst others so its not like it was picked specifically for its theme. It was picked because it was an award winning comic with a great action story that they hoped would make a good movie. As to why it wasn't made a movie before Bush became president, its quite simple: the comic book industry nearly died in the late 90's and no comic book movies were being made until Marvel came along with Spiderman and revitalized the industry.

[King Cantona]

I remember the original mini series, I was hooked. I saw it again on the Sci Fi channel about a year ago, it still held up well, I look forward to this new series and am keeping an open mind...

[ScottFree]

I saw both of these earlier versions and it flopped in viewership both times. What makes you think it will succeed this time?

[MasterBlaster]

I watched every episode. My mother hated it. She said every episode required at least 1 "Bug Eating", and 2 "Lizard Pulls".

I think, well I know, I just liked the tight outfits on the alien women.:))

[Hoobeedoo Bejesus]

They have halted production and will only air 4 episodes with the rest scheduled for 4 months later.

Most are expecting it to be canceled after the first 4.

The writing for it has already changed hands more than once because network execs thought it was "too sciencey."

[mboncher]

Just a point of contention. V for Vendetta was written by a Brit starting in 1982. It was also fairly faithful to the source material. So suggesting it was a bash on Bush means the author must have been psychic.

I know that. Alan Grant wrote this at the height of Margaret Thatcher's clawing to power. Grant hated her with a purple passion and saw the Tories as a trip to an orwellian future and so he wrote it, self admittedly, as a bash on her government. When the MOVIE came out, V for Vendetta was delayed release thanks to the theory it was too close to 9/11 and the war for people to handle. Ruined their entire marketing campaign to release on Guy Fawkes Day. Not to mention then pinhead Portman came out and said it was a shot at Bush.

That is why I mention it. I find her comparison just as full of **** as Grant's original intent to smear the Thatcher regime.

[Lego-Man]

I saw both of these earlier versions and it flopped in viewership both times. What makes you think it will succeed this time?

I don't know that it will. However, I don't know that it won't either. I think, looking at such recent movies as GI Joe and Transformers, that what people like are the sfx applied in the making of the show.

Effects are better now than they were 25 years ago, and there is a good chance the show will be carried by the fx even more than the story.

[Voxpopuli]

From the commercials I've seen this is going to be a hack job of political stereotypes on both conservative and liberal archetypes. Another reason not to watch in my opinion.

I suspect the same thing. I was a fan of the original series, then again I was a kid at the time. Probably going to make a pass on this one.

[JediMindTrick]

I know that. Alan Grant wrote this at the height of Margaret Thatcher's clawing to power. Grant hated her with a purple passion and saw the Tories as a trip to an orwellian future and so he wrote it, self admittedly, as a bash on her government. When the MOVIE came out, V for Vendetta was delayed release thanks to the theory it was too close to 9/11 and the war for people to handle. Ruined their entire marketing campaign to release on Guy Fawkes Day. Not to mention then pinhead Portman came out and said it was a shot at Bush.

That is why I mention it. I find her comparison just as full of **** as Grant's original intent to smear the Thatcher regime.

Did you mean Alan Moore? I never heard Portman's comment but regardless of it, its clear that Moore's intent was 100% Thatcher.

[King Cantona]

That is why I mention it. I find her comparison just as full of **** as Grant's original intent to smear the Thatcher regime.

Well speaking as a Brit who lived under the jackboot of Thatcher's regime in the eighties I support Grant's intention...

[Lego-Man]

Well speaking as a Brit who lived under the jackboot of Thatcher's regime in the eighties I support Grant's intention...

Check your personal messages, please - I have a question on a different subject.

[mboncher]

Well speaking as a Brit who lived under the jackboot of Thatcher's regime in the eighties I support Grant's intention...
If anything I've read about her reforms, policies and results is true, you must have either worked in the coal industry or as a labor organizer then whom she came down on like a ton of bricks.

[mboncher]

Did you mean Alan Moore? I never heard Portman's comment but regardless of it, its clear that Moore's intent was 100% Thatcher.
Dang it. I always get Grant and Moore mixed up. One's a fairly normal fellow, the other is darn near a Ted Kazynski recluse nutter. Both extremely talented writers.

[JediMindTrick]

Dang it. I always get Grant and Moore mixed up. One's a fairly normal fellow, the other is darn near a Ted Kazynski recluse nutter. Both extremely talented writers.

Oh yeah, there is no doubt that Moore is a nut. A great comic writer but a nut. He completely disavows every movie adaptation made off his comics His biggest criticism of V was that in the scene where V is cooking breakfast for Natalie Portman's character they called the egg sandwich he made her by the wrong name and he went absolutely bonkers about it.

[Lego-Man]

Oh yeah, there is no doubt that Moore is a nut. A great comic writer but a nut. He completely disavows every movie adaptation made off his comics His biggest criticism of V was that in the scene where V is cooking breakfast for Natalie Portman's character they called the egg sandwich he made her by the wrong name and he went absolutely bonkers about it.

Get them unmixed. You are talking about "V for Victory". This thread is about "V" which is an upcoming television show based on a story written by Kenneth Johnson.

Different stories totally.

[mboncher]

Oh yeah, there is no doubt that Moore is a nut. A great comic writer but a nut. He completely disavows every movie adaptation made off his comics His biggest criticism of V was that in the scene where V is cooking breakfast for Natalie Portman's character they called the egg sandwich he made her by the wrong name and he went absolutely bonkers about it.
IT'S TOAD IN A FRIGGIN HOLE! IT'S NOT AN EGG IN A BASKET!!!! I DISAVOW THIS ENTIRE MOVIE UNLESS YOU FIX THAT CRUCIAL ERROR! BLAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!

Something like that huh?

Lego, I think you got something else mixed up. We're talking about V for Vendetta because this thread got killed a while back cause production stopped on V.

Not quite sure what V for Victory is, but it sounds familiar.

:lol:

[JediMindTrick]

Get them unmixed. You are talking about "V for Victory". This thread is about "V" which is an upcoming television show based on a story written by Kenneth Johnson.

Different stories totally.

Yeah I know. We got off on a side tangent about V for Vendetta.

[King Cantona]

If anything I've read about her reforms, policies and results is true, you must have either worked in the coal industry or as a labor organizer then whom she came down on like a ton of bricks.

I was an ordinary working man, she came down on ALL of us like a ton of bricks, but if you were rich you never had it so good...

[CHUG]

As a Brit who also lived under Margaret Thatcher I say she was a great leader who broke the power of unelected trade union barons and made inefficient industries realise that the taxpayer wasn't going to keep on bailing them out.

[Lego-Man]

IT'S TOAD IN A FRIGGIN HOLE! IT'S NOT AN EGG IN A BASKET!!!! I DISAVOW THIS ENTIRE MOVIE UNLESS YOU FIX THAT CRUCIAL ERROR! BLAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!

Something like that huh?

Lego, I think you got something else mixed up. We're talking about V for Vendetta because this thread got killed a while back cause production stopped on V.

Not quite sure what V for Victory is, but it sounds familiar.

:lol:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/

Well, as I am the thread OP, I was trying to keep this thread on the subject I started. "V for Vendetta" was a Natalie Portman movie based on a comic book. The subject is good enough to rate it's own thread - and yes, that is a hint.

If my thread is dead, let it lie and start another one, please.

[newyorkjetsfan]

The SyFy Channel is airing the V miniseries tonight and tomorrow as well as the first TV series.

[Atom]

When I was a child, I was a fan of the original V, and I can't wait to see the remake.

The original V served as an allegory for the Holocaust and Nazi Germany, but according to Scott Peters (the writer/producer of the remake), he won’t duplicate that concept. The V remake will focus on what happens when the masses have blind faith in their leaders.


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1519/visitorchange.gif

[notluzn]

Vremake will focus on what happens when the masses have blind faith in their leaders.


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1519/visitorchange.gif


So I guess all Liberals will be toast and the world will be safer?

[ogibillm]

So I guess all Liberals will be toast and the world will be safer?

do you not remember the blind bush allegiance?

[notluzn]

do you not remember the blind bush allegiance?
Nope because I was Bashing that guy as well but nothing close to the obsession of the Obama nuts

[ogibillm]

anyone watching V:The Final Battle on syfy right now i suggest you stop.

just pretend that they get out of the atmosphere safely and escape before the ship explodes.

or pretend they don't escape. just don't watch the ending. so disappointing.

[Lego-Man]

anyone watching V:The Final Battle on syfy right now i suggest you stop.

just pretend that they get out of the atmosphere safely and escape before the ship explodes.

or pretend they don't escape. just don't watch the ending. so disappointing.

I think they did that so there was a lead in for the full series.

[JediMindTrick]

do you not remember the blind bush allegiance?

Of course they won't admit to it. But for several years you were automatically labeled unpatriotic and a terrorist supporter if you even dared to ask questions to Bush like "are we sure there are WMD's in Iraq?"

[3ml1fl]

I watched the original series way back when and was planning on checking out the new one. However, if they will only be airing 4 shows with a huge question mark for returning, why bother?? If I like it, I'll be disappointed that it won't be back. Don't need that.

[JediMindTrick]

I watched the original series way back when and was planning on checking out the new one. However, if they will only be airing 4 shows with a huge question mark for returning, why bother?? If I like it, I'll be disappointed that it won't be back. Don't need that.

Wait and see how the ratings are. I guarantee you that if the ratings are good the show will be back in the spring. You can then watch the show on DVR, Hulu, or whatever in the meantime.

[Atom]

V starts tonight at 8:00 p.m. (Eastern) on ABC.

The Chicago Tribune just ran this story that compares the Visitors to Obama's administration (click the link to read the complete article):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story

'V' aims at Obamamania

Imagine this. At a time of political turmoil, a charismatic, telegenic new leader arrives virtually out of nowhere. He offers a message of hope and reconciliation based on compromise and promises to marshal technology for a better future that will include universal health care.

The news media swoons in admiration -- one simpering anchorman even shouts at a reporter who asks a tough question: "Why don't you show some respect?!" The public is likewise smitten, except for a few nut cases who circulate batty rumors on the Internet about the leader's origins and intentions. The leader, undismayed, offers assurances that are soothing, if also just a tiny bit condescending: "Embracing change is never easy."

So, does that sound like anyone you know?http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1519/visitorchange.gif

[JediMindTrick]

V starts tonight at 8:00 p.m. (Eastern) on ABC.

The Chicago Tribune just ran this story that compares the Visitors to Obama's administration (click the link to read the complete article):



LOL I actually hope this is true because it will be funny watching conservatives squirm around trying to figure out Hollywood did something like that.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

hmm :/

not sure which version of Diana I prefer... Jane Badler had tough, hard, but hot and gorgeous features (dominatrix-like features)... this Diana has a softer look and short hair... they're both cute tho, but I just like Jane Badler's features better I guess... but I can buy this Diana.

also, I hate it when they keep screwing up the original. in the original, they had synthesized voices. but I guess they removed that to better disguise themselves.

yeah, but V used to be one of my absolute favorites dating back to the time of McGyver, Beauty and the Beast, Friday the 13th the series, Twilight Zone series, etc... good times.

[samurai7]

Oh man you people suck. I figured it would be MY idea to start a thread on this! :razz:

:))

Anyway, I can't wait. I LOVED the orginal mini series.

I hope this is as good!

:mrgreen:

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

i never realized that faye grant was in this series... i know freddy krueger (robert englund) was a part of this, but just never realized til now when I was checkint out the original cast that faye grant was in it. I saw her in I believe omen 4 and that other movie she played melissa joan hart's mother. she just struck me as one of hollywood's drop dead gorgeous babes... I thought I just saw her in omen 4 but didn't realize i'd already seen her before in V.

[JediMindTrick]

Lets hope it emulates Battlestar Galactica and not Bionic Woman / Knight Rider in how the revamp goes.

[notluzn]

Of course they won't admit to it. But for several years you were automatically labeled unpatriotic and a terrorist supporter if you even dared to ask questions to Bush like "are we sure there are WMD's in Iraq?"

For every 1 that did for Bush there a 1000 for Obama. Can't compair. BTW, I hope you both aren't saying I was a Blind Bush follower. I complained about that guy many times. I just hated not getting many to agree with me when Bush screws up. :))

[Dancer]

hmm :/

not sure which version of Diana I prefer... Jane Badler had tough, hard, but hot and gorgeous features (dominatrix-like features)... this Diana has a softer look and short hair... they're both cute tho, but I just like Jane Badler's features better I guess... but I can buy this Diana.

also, I hate it when they keep screwing up the original. in the original, they had synthesized voices. but I guess they removed that to better disguise themselves.

yeah, but V used to be one of my absolute favorites dating back to the time of McGyver, Beauty and the Beast, Friday the 13th the series, Twilight Zone series, etc... good times.
They are changing the names of the characters for this one. Anna is the name of the leader of this series Visitors.

[samurai7]

Okay, who saw Obama worship in the aliens.

They want to give us Universal healthcare. They are promising hope and peace (just a tick off hope and change).

Anna doesn't want negative press coverage.

It's Obama!

:)) :)) :))

[Fire Watch]

I enjoyed it. It definitely had a conservative undertone. I bet it gets canceled quickly.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

They are changing the names of the characters for this one. Anna is the name of the leader of this series Visitors.

ah yeah... he he i noticed. man, no more Diana... this girl Baccharin, she's cute, but she doesn't have the sex appeal of Jane Badler. yeah, the leader of the Visitors, John, is also gone but i can buy Anna as the leader.

damn good episode :P i'm loving it. they're uniforms are different, and the dopey special effects from the 80s are gone. also, i noticed they made the reptilians have model looks which i thought was a nice touch showing a race of perfect beings although underneath are reptilian.the effects here are way, way, way, way, way, way better lol. makes you wonder what the special effects will be like in another 20 - 30 years lol.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

Okay, who saw Obama worship in the aliens.

They want to give us Universal healthcare. They are promising hope and peace (just a tick off hope and change).

Anna doesn't want negative press coverage.

It's Obama!

:)) :)) :))

he he he yeah that was funny. hopefully the show will survive now that it might be on the crosshairs... ha ha.

[samurai7]

I enjoyed it. It definitely had a conservative undertone. I bet it gets canceled quickly.

Oh man it definitely sounded like a sharp send up of Obamaism.

They don't want negative press. They want to force Universal healthcare on us. They promise us hope and try to get the kids to worship them, Mmm, Mmm, Mmmm.

It sure sounded like Obama to me.


One thing I don't understand is why they are calling the aliens "V." In the original miniseries "V" was the moniker of those in the resistance against the aliens, in the form of the Churchill "V" for Victory sign.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

Oh man it definitely sounded like a sharp send up of Obamaism.

They don't want negative press. They want to force Universal healthcare on us. They promise us hope and try to get the kids to worship them, Mmm, Mmm, Mmmm.

It sure sounded like Obama to me.


One thing I don't understand is why they are calling the aliens "V." In the original miniseries "V" was the moniker of those in the resistance against the aliens, in the form of the Churchill "V" for Victory sign.

V means Visitors.

[Gengar]

Color me surprised... a "remake" of an 80's tv series, and we are already going on about politics.

People. It's a science fiction mini-series. Geez.

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The pilot was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised. I just think they are going to push the teenage human/visitor romance thing. That will ruin it.

I remain cautiously optimistic though.

[Claymore]

I'd do Anna. In the 80s I'd most definitely do Jane Balder

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

Color me surprised... a "remake" of an 80's tv series, and we are already going on about politics.

People. It's a science fiction mini-series. Geez.

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The pilot was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised. I just think they are going to push the teenage human/visitor romance thing. That will ruin it.

I remain cautiously optimistic though.

ah yuck... interspecies copulation... bestiality. reminded me of the episode where this woman character obviouly had romantic/sexual relations with one of the visitors and when she gave birth to twins, the one baby looked human but had lizard tongue, then the other one was a full-blown reptile but had human eyes...

[samurai7]

Color me surprised... a "remake" of an 80's tv series, and we are already going on about politics.

People. It's a science fiction mini-series. Geez.

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The pilot was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised. I just think they are going to push the teenage human/visitor romance thing. That will ruin it.

I remain cautiously optimistic though.

Helloooooooooooooo, the original was about politics too.

:rolleyes:

[Atom]

Color me surprised... a "remake" of an 80's tv series, and we are already going on about politics.

People. It's a science fiction mini-series. Geez.

Do you realize that the 1980s V is an allegory for Nazi Germany? Scott Peters (the writer/producer of the remake) decided to adapt it to current events.

Does the Visitors' symbol look familiar?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4143/ficv.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%28science_fiction%29

The story remains a Nazi allegory, right down to the Swastika-like emblem used by the Visitors and their SS like uniforms. There is a Visitor youth auxiliary with obvious similarities to the Hitler Youth and Visitor broadcasts mimic Nazi-era propaganda. The show's portrayal of human interaction with the Visitors bears a striking resemblance to stories from Occupied Europe during the Second World War with some citizens choosing collaboration and others choosing to join underground resistance movements.

Where the Nazis primarily persecuted Jews, the Visitors were likewise depicted to persecute scientists, their families and anyone associating with them and distribute propaganda in an effort to hide their true identity. Some of the central characters in the initial series were from a Jewish family and the grandfather, a Holocaust survivor, frequently commented on the events of the past again unfolding. The Visitors declared martial law to control the scientists.

[JediMindTrick]

The pilot was pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised. I just think they are going to push the teenage human/visitor romance thing. That will ruin it.



Um, they aren't pushing anything. Thats straight out of the original V except they've reversed the sexes around. In the original it was a male V getting it on with a female human. The girl got pregnant and gave birth to hybrid twins, its been a long time but if I recall one was very lizardy and the other was more human.

[RogerDodger]

The pilot was very impressive. Hope they are able to keep up that level.

[JediMindTrick]

I enjoyed it. It definitely had a conservative undertone. I bet it gets canceled quickly.

But lets remember this show has been near dead on arrival for months now so how the public reacts to this is fairly irrevelant. As is well talked about in this thread, ABC nearly canned the show before it even aired. Now we get four episodes and then maybe if they do okay it'll be back in the spring.

As for the notion that a conservative undertone will automatically kill it. :)):)):)):)) You apparently have a short memory. BSG had some very conservative undertones (some liberal ones at times too) and it thrived because of the political drama. 24 seems to have done quite well for itself too.

[notluzn]

Nothing will Touch BSG EVER! :) Galactica or Pegasus would kick V's Ass. Nerd

[Fitz]

I liked it... started dragging (for me) a little towards the middle, but the ending brought me back.

Added to the Hulu queue!

[homiebrah]

anyone watching V:The Final Battle on syfy right now i suggest you stop.

just pretend that they get out of the atmosphere safely and escape before the ship explodes.

or pretend they don't escape. just don't watch the ending. so disappointing.

And then SyFy ruined it by playing the TV series after it.

[Atom]

Um, they aren't pushing anything. Thats straight out of the original V except they've reversed the sexes around. In the original it was a male V getting it on with a female human. The girl got pregnant and gave birth to hybrid twins, its been a long time but if I recall one was very lizardy and the other was more human.


You can watch the birthing scene from the original here:

V - The Final Battle - The Birthing Scene (1984)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TufUH1T-F18

[samurai7]

I was right!

'V' aims at Obamamania


http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story

It is a critique of Obamamania!

:)) :))

When will the Obama thugs come after ABC like they are after Fox News??????

:)) :))

[samurai7]

Do you realize that the 1980s V is an allegory for Nazi Germany? Scott Peters (the writer/producer of the remake) decided to adapt it to current events.

Does the Visitors' symbol look familiar?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4143/ficv.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%28science_fiction%29

I very much know that, as I was a big fan of the original miniseries.

And yes, I am old enough to have watched it on broadcast tv in 1983.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085106/

[ISYairio]

Never heard of the ones before this one and I didn't get to see it air this time. I plan to check it out.

First reading about it made me think of Childhood's End.

[RTchoke]

I very much know that, as I was a big fan of the original miniseries.

And yes, I am old enough to have watched it on broadcast tv in 1983.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085106/

I may as well go ahead and admit I too am old to have watched it and did watch every episode. :razz:

[Apatriot]

I never watched either of the shows you mentioned, but to answer your question, I hope it's because she had the best audition.

I think Julia on Lost got it because she's getting to be a good physical actress. She looks good with a gun in her hand....

[JediMindTrick]

I was right!



http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tc-tvcolumn-v-1102-1103nov03,0,7062976.story

It is a critique of Obamamania!

:)) :))

When will the Obama thugs come after ABC like they are after Fox News??????

:)) :))

Where's the liberal outrage? Where are the threads calling for boycotts of V? Where are the threads complaining that they can't watch a TV show or movie without it being politicized against liberals? Oh yeah, liberals know how to change the channel if they don't like it and they also know how to separate TV from reality.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

With all the Hope and Change and Universal Healthcare and not being able to be seen in a negative light aspects presented in the pilot…I would not be surprised if it is flipped around somehow in further episodes to not be about Obama at all but instead a hit on religion and conservative values.

It is ABC1 state-run-media after all.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

I'd do Anna. In the 80s I'd most definitely do Jane Balder

I prefer Faye Grant in the 80’s version.

[Lego-Man]

I may as well go ahead and admit I too am old to have watched it and did watch every episode. :razz:

I have the DVD's of both mini's and the full series. I also have the "Planet of the Apes" seires on DVD as well.

[RTchoke]

I have the DVD's of both mini's and the full series. I also have the "Planet of the Apes" seires on DVD as well.

No much into Planet of the Apes. Hubby says it's more a man thing anyway. :razz:

Looking back on it, it was pretty cheesy, but back then it seemed pretty cool. Laser-y type weapons, bad ass chicks...................:mrgreen:

[JediMindTrick]

The ratings last night were very good. It drew 14 million viewers which is apparently the #2 most watched series premiere of the season. It only finished #2 for the hour but in the 18-49 demographic it was a clear #1 and thats the demographic that matters. And its ABC's highest ratings for a new drama since Lost in 2004.

Before anyone gets too excited though let me caution all with a warning tale of a recent sci fi genre show: Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. It debuted to numbers around 20 million (thats beyond huge in todays market) but quickly lost viewers and by the time it got cancelled in season two was barely drawing two million.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

Do you realize that the 1980s V is an allegory for Nazi Germany? Scott Peters (the writer/producer of the remake) decided to adapt it to current events.

Does the Visitors' symbol look familiar?

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4143/ficv.gif


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_%28science_fiction%29

The V’s nazi symbol kept reminding me of the Fila logo:

[Cold_War_Warrior]

And then SyFy ruined it by playing the TV series after it.

Sci-Fi which is NBC/Universal was only capitalizing on the new series being shown on ABC.

NBC made the original and wanted their piece of the V action by broadcasting the marathon of their show.

[homiebrah]

Sci-Fi which is NBC/Universal was only capitalizing on the new series being shown on ABC.

NBC made the original and wanted their piece of the V action by broadcasting the marathon of their show.

I was around when the Original, Final Battle, and the Series were televised. I can remember setting up the VCR to record the Series pilot, and then not bothering to finish watching the season when it became boring and too predictable.

If the reboot is very successful, I wonder what NBC will think...

[Imperialparadox]

But lets remember this show has been near dead on arrival for months now so how the public reacts to this is fairly irrevelant. As is well talked about in this thread, ABC nearly canned the show before it even aired. Now we get four episodes and then maybe if they do okay it'll be back in the spring.

As for the notion that a conservative undertone will automatically kill it. :)):)):)):)) You apparently have a short memory. BSG had some very conservative undertones (some liberal ones at times too) and it thrived because of the political drama. 24 seems to have done quite well for itself too.

Hush, you're going to ruin a good talking point...:shhh:

Personally I was kinda meh on the show, I felt it moved too fast. I thought they would slowly build up suspicion about the Visitors, using several episodes to slowly reveal their intentions...instead, we got BAM! most of the plot in the first episode. That's a problem a lot of TV shows have nowadays, no exposition.

[Imperialparadox]

Where's the liberal outrage? Where are the threads calling for boycotts of V? Where are the threads complaining that they can't watch a TV show or movie without it being politicized against liberals? Oh yeah, liberals know how to change the channel if they don't like it and they also know how to separate TV from reality.

Yeah you're right, I had the brief thought of spouting out some faux rage over the Obamania parelles but:

a) I found it funny and well deserved.
b) I couldn't lower myself to the stupidity of someone incapable of changing a channel.

[Lego-Man]

Hush, you're going to ruin a good talking point...:shhh:

Personally I was kinda meh on the show, I felt it moved too fast. I thought they would slowly build up suspicion about the Visitors, using several episodes to slowly reveal their intentions...instead, we got BAM! most of the plot in the first episode. That's a problem a lot of TV shows have nowadays, no exposition.

How long before you realized that Morris Chestnut's character (Ryan Nichols) wasn't human? I don't know why, but after he received his first phone call, I suspected it. The FBI mole surprised me, however.

[newyorkjetsfan]

I liked the premiere. I don't think it was basically anti-Obama but warns about devotion to anyone promises everything.

[gb2004]

Dang. I missed it. Does anyone know if they will be repeating it anytime this week? Sometimes they do that.

[JediMindTrick]

The most awesome part of the episode was the Firefly reunion. I didn't even know Wash was in it. I was dismayed when he got impaled again but he's in the previews so he must have gotten better.

And imagine my surprise when I realized that Anna was Inara. I didn't even realize it as I didn't know Morena Baccarin had cut her hair:doh:. Hot women should never cut their hair.

[Wild Bill03]

Dang. I missed it. Does anyone know if they will be repeating it anytime this week? Sometimes they do that.


They say it will be posted saturday for online viewing here... http://abc.go.com/

[JediMindTrick]

Dang. I missed it. Does anyone know if they will be repeating it anytime this week? Sometimes they do that.

Hulu or numerous other web sites, including ABC's site, will have it online.

[ISYairio]

I watched it. I enjoyed it. Tho the talk of a break and changing it has me going :(.

[Lego-Man]

The most awesome part of the episode was the Firefly reunion. I didn't even know Wash was in it. I was dismayed when he got impaled again but he's in the previews so he must have gotten better.

And imagine my surprise when I realized that Anna was Inara. I didn't even realize it as I didn't know Morena Baccarin had cut her hair:doh:. Hot women should never cut their hair.

She looked hot with short hair.

[Wild Bill03]

I have heard speculation that in next weeks episode the aliens will blame their inability to solve the earths problems on previous alien visitors from the planet Booooosh.

[JediMindTrick]

She looked hot with short hair.

She's beautiful no matter what. She's just much more beautiful with long hair.

Did you know she very nearly was Wonder Woman on the big screen? For a while Joss Whedon (of Firefly and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) was in charge of the forever in pre production WW movie. He had pretty much settled on Morena to be WW. But Joss got removed from the project and the WW movie is back in limbo again.

[nortman]

When I was a child, I was a fan of the original V, and I can't wait to see the remake.

The original V served as an allegory for the Holocaust and Nazi Germany, but according to Scott Peters (the writer/producer of the remake), he won’t duplicate that concept. The V remake will focus on what happens when the masses have blind faith in their leaders.


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1519/visitorchange.gif

:))
Great picture.

[nortman]

do you not remember the blind bush allegiance?:))
I seem to remember him getting criticized by most of the conservatives as much as by the libs.

Amnesty for illegal aliens? The first bailout bill? Government spending? Seems to me that he took a lot of heat from conservatives for all of it.

[JediMindTrick]

:))
I seem to remember him getting criticized by most of the conservatives as much as by the libs.

Amnesty for illegal aliens? The first bailout bill? Government spending? Seems to me that he took a lot of heat from conservatives for all of it.

That didn't happen til the middle of his 2nd term. Before then it was all "How dare you question our president in a time of war!" I've been a member of this board much longer than my join date suggests (I go back to 2003 - short version is that I had a mod approved name change) and trust me anyone on this board and elsewhere who questioned anything Bush did after the Iraq invasion was an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer. It was only after cons began to realize there were no WMD's, that Bush was Reagan redux in fiscal irresponsibility, and the amnesty that it was okay to bash Bush on certain subjects.

[Vic Daring]

I watched the premiere. I liked it.

I just can't bring myself to get all worked up and weepy and "ohh! They'er out to GET US!!" over a TV show.

I guess that's why I'd never make a good con.

:D

[texan_rep]

I remember the original "V". My favorite line: "You don't LOOK like a lizard..."

[nortman]

That didn't happen til the middle of his 2nd term. Before then it was all "How dare you question our president in a time of war!" I've been a member of this board much longer than my join date suggests (I go back to 2003 - short version is that I had a mod approved name change) and trust me anyone on this board and elsewhere who questioned anything Bush did after the Iraq invasion was an unpatriotic terrorist sympathizer. It was only after cons began to realize there were no WMD's, that Bush was Reagan redux in fiscal irresponsibility, and the amnesty that it was okay to bash Bush on certain subjects.
Well, as you can see by my "join date", that's about when I arrived here.

[Lego-Man]

She's beautiful no matter what. She's just much more beautiful with long hair.

Did you know she very nearly was Wonder Woman on the big screen? For a while Joss Whedon (of Firefly and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) was in charge of the forever in pre production WW movie. He had pretty much settled on Morena to be WW. But Joss got removed from the project and the WW movie is back in limbo again.

The only thing I know about Wonder Woman is the Linda Carter version.

[gb2004]

When I was a child, I was a fan of the original V, and I can't wait to see the remake.

The original V served as an allegory for the Holocaust and Nazi Germany, but according to Scott Peters (the writer/producer of the remake), he won’t duplicate that concept. The V remake will focus on what happens when the masses have blind faith in their leaders.


http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/1519/visitorchange.gif


:clap::clap::clap:

Just watched the premiere on HULU.

[JediMindTrick]

Second episode was kinda of underwhelming though I was very pleased by the final scene.

Heard something about the show today though that if true is going to upset every conservative who was laughing last week thinking the show was an Obama bashfest. If true this is SPOILERISH so read at own risk. This is speculation based on some inside info from a writer for EW magazine but he believes based on what he's seen and been told that Anna is not aware of her races true intentions. She is the naive but well meaning president while her vice president is the one really in charge and is evil to the core: Kinda like our former administration.

[JediMindTrick]

The show is officially dead, it just doesn't know it yet.

ABC’s V dropped 29% To A 3.7 adults 18-49 rating on Tuesday night. That’s the largest % drop from a premiere to a second episode this fall.

The slight silver lining is that its numbers are still good enough to likely earn it a #3 spot on ABC's lineup this week. But a precipitous drop like that in a show that is already severely challenged due to is screwball scheduling (only two more episodes til the four month hiatus) doesn't bode well.

[Tom Kalbfus]

All I know is that the original V (which I own) was one party excellent one part hackneyed. The acting was bad, the special effects by today's standards are beyond laughable. BUT... the concepts were stellar. Absolutely stellar.

Heavy nazi overtones with the Visitors, and a real heavy hand on other aspects of political subtleties of the era which were common in those days. With the current administration, I wonder how hushed any mention of similarities will be, unlike the W admin which were veritably crowed from V for Vendetta and others negative government films.

I don't know how well things are going to go with this remake, and I'm quite worried. AFAIK I thought it was only a mini-series like the original, not going into direct show production. Sort of the same way they relaunched BSG.

Hopes are not high, but I will see it for nostalgia's sake.
It's very risky to poke fun at the Bush Administration, when the people watching the show are suffering from unemployment in the range of 10.2%, and look back fondly on the Bush years as a time when they had a job.