Juan Williams WAS offended

[jeepers]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/17/juan_williams_responds_apparently_its_ok_to_use_ra cial_slurs.html

For those who said 'it's something that you wouldn't understand', that wasn't correct. Juan was offended, too.

He should be, it was directed at him.

It's a long clip.

[chico53]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/17/juan_williams_responds_apparently_its_ok_to_use_ra cial_slurs.html

For those who said 'it's something that you wouldn't understand', that wasn't correct. Juan was offended, too.

He should be, it was directed at him.

It's a long clip.

Well, I'm offended ... that Juan is so dense as to think that anybody outside of the right wing zealots would buy his weak DeMaurice Smith connection. It was something I normally would expect from Glenn Beck or somebody of that ilk and think nothing of it. But Juan drank the right wing kool-aid a long time and has been rewarded by getting a lot of face time (and, with it, lots of cash) on Fox.

In many ways, he is the worst kind of media offender, somebody pretending to be something he is not. I may not like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. firing salvos at President Obama 24/7. But they are committed right wingers who (with the occasional exception of Beck) publicly admit they aren't going to like anything the president says or does. They are not hypocrites in this regard.

But Williams has been hiding behind the alleged cloak of being a lefty for some time now. In reality, he doesn't agree with the president on many (if any) issues. One doesn't have to go much farther as to guess why he is getting so much Fox airtime these days. (Much the same way Kirsten Powers does. To the best I can tell, she has not been involved in a Dem campaign for four years. Her batting average in working on Dem campaigns is roughly the same, as, the New York Mets' pitchers.)

It's time for Juan (and Kirsten, for that matter) to quit the crap and simply join the pile. They are perfectly entitled to rip the president 24/7. But it would be nice if they would be honest about it ... instead of pretending to be something they clearly are not.

[tom1468]

The hutch, That guy is funny, I love it when he gets on a roll about the Nfl and his picks to win
But to get to the topic, they were all correct, it was a racist statement

[Ballygrl]

But Williams has been hiding behind the alleged cloak of being a lefty for some time now. In reality, he doesn't agree with the president on many (if any) issues.

So, Juan is a liberal but not a socialist? cool!

[Gabby]

So, Juan is a liberal but not a socialist? cool!

My take on Juan is that he is a Democrat and not a lefist (socialist/communist). It's one of the thinks I like about him.

I find it funny that some think that all Democrats must support Obama. Obama is a far from being a true Democrat as anyone can be. He's part of the far left wing (socialist/communist) group who has hijacked the party.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Juan is a DEMOCRAT. Hes not a crazy liberal, commie so the left hate him.

[animalnut]

My take on Juan is that he is a Democrat and not a lefist (socialist/communist). It's one of the thinks I like about him.

I find it funny that some think that all Democrats must support Obama. Obama is a far from being a true Democrat as anyone can be. He's part of the far left wing (socialist/communist) group who has hijacked the party.

Exactly. He's not a far-left Democrat. He is honest about his views. Sometimes he argues with Krauthammer, and defends Obama and Obama's positions. Sometimes he seems to dwell on a more insignificant part of an issue, and misses the main point.

He's not like Beckel, who blames Bush for everything - always has always will. You know what's going to come out of Beckel's mouth.

[chico53]

I admit to not seeing every show every day. But I cannot remember the last time I saw Juan Williams disagree with any criticism whatsoever leveled at the Obama administration. To claim one is a Democrat (or has any Democratic leanings), you have to find something in the current administration you like. I have yet to see Mr. Williams do so. That settles the issue in my mind.

[BigGuy]

I admit to not seeing every show every day. But I cannot remember the last time I saw Juan Williams disagree with any criticism whatsoever leveled at the Obama administration. To claim one is a Democrat (or has any Democratic leanings), you have to find something in the current administration you like. I have yet to see Mr. Williams do so. That settles the issue in my mind.


JFK Democrat = Right Wing Looney....got it.

[kenny255]

When Beckal in on I turn them off, I can't stomach this guy , No matter what's happening it's Bush"s fault. He is living in Dream land

[mboncher]

One of the defining traits of JFK was being a staunch anti-communist. So yes, JFK - Right Wing Looney to the current DNC.

[tom1468]

I admit to not seeing every show every day. But I cannot remember the last time I saw Juan Williams disagree with any criticism whatsoever leveled at the Obama administration. To claim one is a Democrat (or has any Democratic leanings), you have to find something in the current administration you like. I have yet to see Mr. Williams do so. That settles the issue in my mind.
So we have come to a point if one democrate disagrees with Obama , then he can no longer be a democrate?
In order for him to be a democrate he has to find something in the current administration? Are you nuts?
I know many republicans which found nothing in the Bush administration

YOU MUST AGREE WITH THE PRESIDENT OR YOU ARE OUT OF THE PARTY ! ! ! ! !

[Sneaky SF Dude]

I admit to not seeing every show every day. But I cannot remember the last time I saw Juan Williams disagree with any criticism whatsoever leveled at the Obama administration. To claim one is a Democrat (or has any Democratic leanings), you have to find something in the current administration you like. I have yet to see Mr. Williams do so. That settles the issue in my mind.

So one cannot be a Democrat if one does not agree with the Obamessiah. That's absurd.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1629231&page=12&highlight=critical+theory
The Great Liberal Narrative

[Gabby]

I admit to not seeing every show every day. But I cannot remember the last time I saw Juan Williams disagree with any criticism whatsoever leveled at the Obama administration. To claim one is a Democrat (or has any Democratic leanings), you have to find something in the current administration you like. I have yet to see Mr. Williams do so. That settles the issue in my mind.

I have seen Juan defend Obama's postions and actions many times. It is something that have noticed about him.

Like you, I don't watch every show every day... but I've watched enough to see him support Obama and Congress when he thinks they are right.

[Samm]

Juan is a DEMOCRAT. Hes not a crazy liberal, commie so the left hate him.

Just like anybody on the Far Right thinks any Republican to their left is a Liberal, anybody on the Far Left thinks any Democrat to their right is a Conservative. There is no doubt that Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers are liberal... just neither one of them is Far Left like Obama and his minions.

Juan and Kirsten are also good honest people... they have their opinions, but they are not blind. When they see something on the left they disapprove of, they say so rather than attempt to rationalize it like so many other liberals do. For that honesty, they are excoriated by the Far Left and labeled Conservative.

[TF2Pyro]

So one cannot be a Democrat if one does not agree with the Obamessiah. That's absurd.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1629231&page=12&highlight=critical+theory
The Great Liberal Narrative

Absurdity from the lib forum members should go with out saying.

[chico53]

So one cannot be a Democrat if one does not agree with the Obamessiah. That's absurd.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1629231&page=12&highlight=critical+theory
The Great Liberal Narrative

I agree. It is absurd ... if it was true. In this case, however, I know of no position that either Mr. Williams or Ms. Powers have ever taken on the air that is in agreement with the current President. Every time I see them (and I mean every time) they are criticizing Obama or agreeing with critical statements about him.

Now in order to be a member of a party you have to agree with something at some point in time.

Granted, I can only go from personal experience. Mine is they are they are not fans of this president in any way, shape or form. So why are they paraded around as lefties?

Let's put it another way. The other day, Sen. Snowe decided to cast the lone Republican vote for the Health Care bill. In another part of this forum, it was suggested that for this one action she should be booted from the party. Several people agree with the idea. (Here's the link: http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1681751&highlight=Snowe)

And you are expecting the left to embrace these two folks who disagree with the president on more than one item every day?

[Physics Hunter]

I agree. It is absurd ... if it was true. In this case, however, I know of no position that either Mr. Williams or Ms. Powers have ever taken on the air that is in agreement with the current President. Every time I see them (and I mean every time) they are criticizing Obama or agreeing with critical statements about him.

Now in order to be a member of a party you have to agree with something at some point in time.

Granted, I can only go from personal experience. Mine is they are they are not fans of this president in any way, shape or form. So why are they paraded around as lefties?

Let's put it another way. The other day, Sen. Snowe decided to cast the lone Republican vote for the Health Care bill. In another part of this forum, it was suggested that for this one action she should be booted from the party. Several people agree with the idea. (Here's the link: http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1681751&highlight=Snowe)

And you are expecting the left to embrace these two folks who disagree with the president on more than one item every day?

Juan does not read the talking points, he has a point of view.

Kirsten could easily be substituted with a fax from the DNC.

[Rurudyne]

JFK Democrat = Right Wing Looney....got it.
By the standards of the current DNC (dominated as it is by the disciples of that useful idiot Saul Alinsky) he might as well have been.

[DaveKlassix]

When Beckal in on I turn them off, I can't stomach this guy , No matter what's happening it's Bush"s fault. He is living in Dream land

or still hung over

[BOOOOOOSHHHH]

Well, I'm offended ... that Juan is so dense as to think that anybody outside of the right wing zealots would buy his weak DeMaurice Smith connection. It was something I normally would expect from Glenn Beck or somebody of that ilk and think nothing of it. But Juan drank the right wing kool-aid a long time and has been rewarded by getting a lot of face time (and, with it, lots of cash) on Fox.

In many ways, he is the worst kind of media offender, somebody pretending to be something he is not. I may not like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. firing salvos at President Obama 24/7. But they are committed right wingers who (with the occasional exception of Beck) publicly admit they aren't going to like anything the president says or does. They are not hypocrites in this regard.

But Williams has been hiding behind the alleged cloak of being a lefty for some time now. In reality, he doesn't agree with the president on many (if any) issues. One doesn't have to go much farther as to guess why he is getting so much Fox airtime these days. (Much the same way Kirsten Powers does. To the best I can tell, she has not been involved in a Dem campaign for four years. Her batting average in working on Dem campaigns is roughly the same, as, the New York Mets' pitchers.)

It's time for Juan (and Kirsten, for that matter) to quit the crap and simply join the pile. They are perfectly entitled to rip the president 24/7. But it would be nice if they would be honest about it ... instead of pretending to be something they clearly are not.


wow. So does that mean ALL THE OTHER MSM STATIONS ANCHORS should admit they are far left loons and are kissing O's butt?

[waynevan]

Well, I'm offended ... that Juan is so dense as to think that anybody outside of the right wing zealots would buy his weak DeMaurice Smith connection. It was something I normally would expect from Glenn Beck or somebody of that ilk and think nothing of it. But Juan drank the right wing kool-aid a long time and has been rewarded by getting a lot of face time (and, with it, lots of cash) on Fox.

In many ways, he is the worst kind of media offender, somebody pretending to be something he is not. I may not like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. firing salvos at President Obama 24/7. But they are committed right wingers who (with the occasional exception of Beck) publicly admit they aren't going to like anything the president says or does. They are not hypocrites in this regard.

But Williams has been hiding behind the alleged cloak of being a lefty for some time now. In reality, he doesn't agree with the president on many (if any) issues. One doesn't have to go much farther as to guess why he is getting so much Fox airtime these days. (Much the same way Kirsten Powers does. To the best I can tell, she has not been involved in a Dem campaign for four years. Her batting average in working on Dem campaigns is roughly the same, as, the New York Mets' pitchers.)

It's time for Juan (and Kirsten, for that matter) to quit the crap and simply join the pile. They are perfectly entitled to rip the president 24/7. But it would be nice if they would be honest about it ... instead of pretending to be something they clearly are not.


Oh, well then, its okay to use racist innuendo against him...........:rolleyes:

[chico53]

Oh, well then, its okay to use racist innuendo against him...........:rolleyes:

What racist innuendo? My only innuendo is the guy is advertised as a liberal when he clearly is not. Same for Ms. Powers. No sexist innuendo intended from this corner.

Hey, all power to Fox. They found two people who are willing to pretend to go in one direction and really go in another for the sake of a nice paycheck. Makes for a good show.

Nice work when you can get it.

[Mohawk5]

Well worth the watch. Thanks so much for posting this. I would expect Juan to hold onto this attack for quite some time. I might not agree with him all the time but this is just plain old ugly.

[bella-day]

Well, I'm offended ... that Juan is so dense as to think that anybody outside of the right wing zealots would buy his weak DeMaurice Smith connection. It was something I normally would expect from Glenn Beck or somebody of that ilk and think nothing of it. But Juan drank the right wing kool-aid a long time and has been rewarded by getting a lot of face time (and, with it, lots of cash) on Fox.

In many ways, he is the worst kind of media offender, somebody pretending to be something he is not. I may not like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. firing salvos at President Obama 24/7. But they are committed right wingers who (with the occasional exception of Beck) publicly admit they aren't going to like anything the president says or does. They are not hypocrites in this regard.

But Williams has been hiding behind the alleged cloak of being a lefty for some time now. In reality, he doesn't agree with the president on many (if any) issues. One doesn't have to go much farther as to guess why he is getting so much Fox airtime these days. (Much the same way Kirsten Powers does. To the best I can tell, she has not been involved in a Dem campaign for four years. Her batting average in working on Dem campaigns is roughly the same, as, the New York Mets' pitchers.)

It's time for Juan (and Kirsten, for that matter) to quit the crap and simply join the pile. They are perfectly entitled to rip the president 24/7. But it would be nice if they would be honest about it ... instead of pretending to be something they clearly are not.

So...in your world one can not be a liberal and disagree with obama-the-idiot-in-chief at the same time?

Wow!

And I thought liberals were supposed to think for themselves. I guess that only counts if they think for themselves by agreeing to think what they are told to think huh?

[chico53]

So...in your world one can not be a liberal and disagree with obama-the-idiot-in-chief at the same time?

Wow!

And I thought liberals were supposed to think for themselves. I guess that only counts if they think for themselves by agreeing to think what they are told to think huh?

Hey, I'm a liberal and I disagree with the president on some issues. (I disagreed with his predecessor, too but I did not call him an "idiot-in-chief." But I digress.)

No, the problem here is the guy in question has not agreed with the president on any issues at all.

Zippo. Nada. The empty set.

As I said before, that's fine. Just don't pretend you are something you are not.

[bella-day]

Hey, I'm a liberal and I disagree with the president on some issues. (I disagreed with his predecessor, too but I did not call him an "idiot-in-chief." But I digress.)

No, the problem here is the guy in question has not agreed with the president on any issues at all.

Zippo. Nada. The empty set.

As I said before, that's fine. Just don't pretend you are something you are not.

He doesn't.

Too bad he doesn't live up to your expectations huh?

Got to agree with Obama or you are not a lib.

Tooooo funny!

[VCaddy05]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/17/juan_williams_responds_apparently_its_ok_to_use_ra cial_slurs.html

For those who said 'it's something that you wouldn't understand', that wasn't correct. Juan was offended, too.

He should be, it was directed at him.

It's a long clip.


Good I hope he was offended by that, he should have been offended by that. Id like to punch that mother ****er in his teeth for what he said to Juan. I have always found Juan to be honest, plain and simple. He doesn not hide that he is a Democrat, but hes no idiot or far left kinda guy either. A honest man should not have to put up with some two bit punk ordering him to get back on the porch for not buying in to his ********.

[ValricoKate]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/17/juan_williams_responds_apparently_its_ok_to_use_ra cial_slurs.html

For those who said 'it's something that you wouldn't understand', that wasn't correct. Juan was offended, too.

He should be, it was directed at him.

It's a long clip.

I had missed the original exchange as well as this.

Thanks for posting the video link ...it is enlightening I don't know who this Ballentine character is, but he knew exactly what he was saying ...you could see the smug smile of a provocateur on his face.

[jeepers]

Hey, I'm a liberal and I disagree with the president on some issues. (I disagreed with his predecessor, too but I did not call him an "idiot-in-chief." But I digress.)

No, the problem here is the guy in question has not agreed with the president on any issues at all.

Zippo. Nada. The empty set.

As I said before, that's fine. Just don't pretend you are something you are not.

Sooooooooo you've been watching for about a week?

I've see him agree with Obama on most things. Or agrees with the idea, if not the method to carry it out, etc.

Anyone that says that Juan is 'right wing' when he's on Fox doesn't watch much.

[chico53]

Sooooooooo you've been watching for about a week?

I've see him agree with Obama on most things. Or agrees with the idea, if not the method to carry it out, etc.

Anyone that says that Juan is 'right wing' when he's on Fox doesn't watch much.

Here is a classic example. Williams takes the role one would expect Hannity or Beck to take. You cannot contend this is a left wing point of view.

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/10/19/fox_news_gives_undue_weight_to_bighollywoodcom_con spiracy_theory_.php#more

[Samm]

Oh, well then, its okay to use racist innuendo against him...........

What racist innuendo? My only innuendo is the guy is advertised as a liberal when he clearly is not. Same for Ms. Powers. No sexist innuendo intended from this corner.

Hey, all power to Fox. They found two people who are willing to pretend to go in one direction and really go in another for the sake of a nice paycheck. Makes for a good show.

Nice work when you can get it.

Pay closer attention... nobody is accusing you of making racist or sexist remarks. Wayne is referring to the racist remark thrown at Juan by Warren Ballentine while they were both guests on The Factor.

But to suggest that either Juan or Kirsten have "sold" their opinion to FOX is a totally baseless accusation. What that says loud and clear is that you don't watch the News Commentary shows on FOX very often. They may not ooze the Democrat Party line like Beckel and Axelrod, but they are most definitely Liberals by any stretch of the definition.

[chico53]

Pay closer attention... nobody is accusing you of making racist or sexist remarks. Wayne is referring to the racist remark thrown at Juan by Warren Ballentine while they were both guests on The Factor.

But to suggest that either Juan or Kirsten have "sold" their opinion to FOX is a totally baseless accusation. What that says loud and clear is that you don't watch the News Commentary shows on FOX very often. They may not ooze the Democrat Party line like Beckel and Axelrod, but they are most definitely Liberals by any stretch of the definition.

I was always taught to pay attention to all sides. I catch what I can. Funny. So far, nobody can come up with one single time that either Mr. Williams or Ms. Powers ever disagreed with the basic Fox tenor. All that has been said is they are "Liberals." Yet not one ounce of proof is offered. Now that I think of it, neither of these two "liberals" spoke up in disagreement when Ms. Trotta offered her solution to the presidential race last year or when Mr. Beck came up with a dramatic way to ensure a new Speaker Of The House. Their silence ... along with the rest of the Fox crew ... speaks volumes.

[darknessesedge]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/10/17/juan_williams_responds_apparently_its_ok_to_use_ra cial_slurs.html

For those who said 'it's something that you wouldn't understand', that wasn't correct. Juan was offended, too.

He should be, it was directed at him.

It's a long clip.

funny how williams is finally waking up to that those he supports are racists.

[Samm]

I was always taught to pay attention to all sides. I catch what I can. Funny. So far, nobody can come up with one single time that either Mr. Williams or Ms. Powers ever disagreed with the basic Fox tenor. All that has been said is they are "Liberals." Yet not one ounce of proof is offered. Now that I think of it, neither of these two "liberals" spoke up in disagreement when Ms. Trotta offered her solution to the presidential race last year or when Mr. Beck came up with a dramatic way to ensure a new Speaker Of The House. Their silence ... along with the rest of the Fox crew ... speaks volumes.

I know it is a lot to ask, but be realistic... If you watched the shows regularly (which it is apparent that you don't) you would know that they are not on every show and not on every night. Not even close. There is no way to remember when they were on which show or to go back and pick up what they said in support of Obama or against FOX to provide you with the proof you seek. For you to make such accusations is very much like Ms. Dunn making the blanket "lies" statements she has made about FOX, without offering specifics. And for all you know, both Williams and Powers made comments regarding the two obscure issues you mention... it would have taken them all of 30 seconds to do so and it would be easily missed and/or forgotten.

Watch the FOX news shows and you will see perfectly well that both Juan and Kirsten are most definitely liberals, but that they are not part of the Bernie Goldberg's "slobbering love affair" that most liberal media people are engaged in.

[RTchoke]

I know it is a lot to ask, but be realistic... If you watched the shows regularly (which it is apparent that you don't) you would know that they are not on every show and not on every night. Not even close. There is no way to remember when they were on which show or to go back and pick up what they said in support of Obama or against FOX to provide you with the proof you seek. For you to make such accusations is very much like Ms. Dunn making the blanket "lies" statements she has made about FOX, without offering specifics. And for all you know, both Williams and Powers made comments regarding the two obscure issues you mention... it would have taken them all of 30 seconds to do so and it would be easily missed and/or forgotten.

Watch the FOX news shows and you will see perfectly well that both Juan and Kirsten are most definitely liberals, but that they are not part of the Bernie Goldberg's "slobbering love affair" that most liberal media people are engaged in.

No kidding. Kirstin is just one big DNC talking point.

[chico53]

I know it is a lot to ask, but be realistic... If you watched the shows regularly (which it is apparent that you don't) you would know that they are not on every show and not on every night. Not even close. There is no way to remember when they were on which show or to go back and pick up what they said in support of Obama or against FOX to provide you with the proof you seek. For you to make such accusations is very much like Ms. Dunn making the blanket "lies" statements she has made about FOX, without offering specifics. And for all you know, both Williams and Powers made comments regarding the two obscure issues you mention... it would have taken them all of 30 seconds to do so and it would be easily missed and/or forgotten.

Watch the FOX news shows and you will see perfectly well that both Juan and Kirsten are most definitely liberals, but that they are not part of the Bernie Goldberg's "slobbering love affair" that most liberal media people are engaged in.

I see. So you think a news commentator wishing a candidate (at the time) for the presidency should be killed is obscure. And you think the same thing when another commentator fantasizes on air about poisoning the Speaker Of The House. If you and the rest of the Fox fans really do think such observations are obscure and thus, irrelevant, then, indeed, there is nothing left to discuss and we are done as a lawful society.

As for commenting on the issue, google isn't perfect but it is a wonderful thing. Nothing is noted on google at all about any righty every complaining about such statements.

[Samm]

I see. So you think a news commentator wishing a candidate (at the time) for the presidency should be killed is obscure. And you think the same thing when another commentator fantasizes on air about poisoning the Speaker Of The House. If you and the rest of the Fox fans really do think such observations are obscure and thus, irrelevant, then, indeed, there is nothing left to discuss and we are done as a lawful society.

As for commenting on the issue, google isn't perfect but it is a wonderful thing. Nothing is noted on google at all about any righty every complaining about such statements.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you claiming Juan Williams said those things on FOX? :eh:

[chico53]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you claiming Juan Williams said those things on FOX? :eh:

We've gone through this before. Liz Trotta last year. Glenn Beck this year. Both made the strong insinuation (on the air!) the death of a Democrat would be a good thing for the country. Don't take my word for it. Check it out yourself. In neither case did any of the well-known Fox right wingers stand up and say, "Stop. You have gone too far." This was not unexpected because, after all, they are all members of the same ideological club. But the contention among many folks is that Williams and Powers lean left. You would think lefties might take exception to such an idea. If so, I am unaware of it and a check of google (which, admittedly, is not perfect) doesn't reflect it, either. To some on the right, this is beating a dead horse (no pun intended). I suggest that, if the roles were reversed, they might not feel the same way.

[TheModerateOne]

I agree. It is absurd ... if it was true. In this case, however, I know of no position that either Mr. Williams or Ms. Powers have ever taken on the air that is in agreement with the current President. Every time I see them (and I mean every time) they are criticizing Obama or agreeing with critical statements about him.

Now in order to be a member of a party you have to agree with something at some point in time.

Granted, I can only go from personal experience. Mine is they are they are not fans of this president in any way, shape or form. So why are they paraded around as lefties?

Let's put it another way. The other day, Sen. Snowe decided to cast the lone Republican vote for the Health Care bill. In another part of this forum, it was suggested that for this one action she should be booted from the party. Several people agree with the idea. (Here's the link: http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1681751&highlight=Snowe)

And you are expecting the left to embrace these two folks who disagree with the president on more than one item every day?

Anecdotal evidence isn't the same as objective truth, Chico. Many of us have heard Juan defend Obama. Happens all the time. He's a Democrat, but not a hardened Obama defender. You know, not everything the guy does is beyond criticism.

[chico53]

Anecdotal evidence isn't the same as objective truth, Chico. Many of us have heard Juan defend Obama. Happens all the time. He's a Democrat, but not a hardened Obama defender. You know, not everything the guy does is beyond criticism.

I agree with the last sentence. Sadly, I wish I had ever personally come across the second and fourth sentences. Being an agreeable sort, I'll take your word for it ... even though I have no evidence to indicate it is true.

P.S. Just for the heck of it, I googled "Juan Williams defends President Obama." Couldn't find one item to back up the statement. In fact, the entire first page is devoted to Williams' defense of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and his comment earlier this year that Michelle Obama is "Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress." Is this sort of statement the type others are referring when they constantly insist Juan is actually a liberal? I don't want to speak for other liberals but I don't consider that paritcularly complimentary.

[waynevan]

I was always taught to pay attention to all sides. I catch what I can. Funny. So far, nobody can come up with one single time that either Mr. Williams or Ms. Powers ever disagreed with the basic Fox tenor. All that has been said is they are "Liberals." Yet not one ounce of proof is offered. Now that I think of it, neither of these two "liberals" spoke up in disagreement when Ms. Trotta offered her solution to the presidential race last year or when Mr. Beck came up with a dramatic way to ensure a new Speaker Of The House. Their silence ... along with the rest of the Fox crew ... speaks volumes.

What has that got to do with one brother telling another brother he can just get back on the porch? That is a racially motivated insult in his face, no way around it. That happens to be the subject of the thread.

[TheModerateOne]

I agree with the last sentence. Sadly, I wish I had ever personally come across the second and fourth sentences. Being an agreeable sort, I'll take your word for it ... even though I have no evidence to indicate it is true.

P.S. Just for the heck of it, I googled "Juan Williams defends President Obama." Couldn't find one item to back up the statement. In fact, the entire first page is devoted to Williams' defense of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and his comment earlier this year that Michelle Obama is "Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress." Is this sort of statement the type others are referring when they constantly insist Juan is actually a liberal? I don't want to speak for other liberals but I don't consider that paritcularly complimentary.

Chico - if you watch when Juan is on, I think over multiple viewings you will come to agree that he's not a wolf in sheep's clothing. As far as I can tell, he has an independent streak that's sorely missing these days.

[waynevan]

Chico - if you watch when Juan is on, I think over multiple viewings you will come to agree that he's not a wolf in sheep's clothing. As far as I can tell, he has an independent streak that's sorely missing these days.

He has definitely veered to the center over the last few years though. I guess to a real lefty that means he has gone off the reservation and is now a screaming conservative.......

[Samm]

We've gone through this before. Liz Trotta last year. Glenn Beck this year. Both made the strong insinuation (on the air!) the death of a Democrat would be a good thing for the country. Don't take my word for it. Check it out yourself. In neither case did any of the well-known Fox right wingers stand up and say, "Stop. You have gone too far." This was not unexpected because, after all, they are all members of the same ideological club. But the contention among many folks is that Williams and Powers lean left. You would think lefties might take exception to such an idea. If so, I am unaware of it and a check of google (which, admittedly, is not perfect) doesn't reflect it, either. To some on the right, this is beating a dead horse (no pun intended). I suggest that, if the roles were reversed, they might not feel the same way.

I have never heard of Liz Trotta and have no idea what she allegedly said (Maybe you are thinking of Chris Mathews suggesting someone might put a pellet into Rush's head... :think: ) but Beck never said any such thing. That whole "incident" was a fabrication of liberal manipulation of his sarcasm. To bring it up is as bad as what the libs have tried to do to Rush.

Besides... we were talking about a liberal black throwing a racist remark at a less liberal black. There is no connection to that real incident and the alleged incidents that you apparently must have carved into stone so they would not be forgotten. Furthermore... assuming just for the sake of discussion that your accusations are correct... since when does bad behavior by some excuse bad behavior by others?

[Samm]

I agree with the last sentence. Sadly, I wish I had ever personally come across the second and fourth sentences. Being an agreeable sort, I'll take your word for it ... even though I have no evidence to indicate it is true.

You would have to be an avid FOX viewer to know what Juan has said or has not said. He has been on hundreds of times on many FOX News shows... even an avid viewer will have missed a lot of his statements.

P.S. Just for the heck of it, I googled "Juan Williams defends President Obama." Couldn't find one item to back up the statement. In fact, the entire first page is devoted to Williams' defense of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and his comment earlier this year that Michelle Obama is "Stokely Carmichael in a designer dress." Is this sort of statement the type others are referring when they constantly insist Juan is actually a liberal? I don't want to speak for other liberals but I don't consider that paritcularly complimentary.

You know damned good and well that spoken statements do not get recorded where you can find them on Google unless it was picked up by someone and put into print. The statements of guests on News Commentary television are rarely so profound that somebody feels it important to quote them in print. I repeat... if you were to watch FOX regularly it takes very little time to determine who is liberal and who is conservative; Juan Williams is without a doubt liberal... a label he gladly admits to and is not ashamed of.

Juan defends Rush and O'Reilly when defense is appropriate. The steady onslaught of lies that the left spreads about those two is astounding. Juan is an honorable man... he is not so much defending Rush or O'Reilly as he is defending the truth. It is sad that you apparently cannot tell the difference. And criticism of one of your own does not make you the "other." If that were the case, this board would now be populated almost entirely by liberals.

[chico53]

I have never heard of Liz Trotta and have no idea what she allegedly said (Maybe you are thinking of Chris Mathews suggesting someone might put a pellet into Rush's head... :think: ) but Beck never said any such thing. That whole "incident" was a fabrication of liberal manipulation of his sarcasm. To bring it up is as bad as what the libs have tried to do to Rush.

Besides... we were talking about a liberal black throwing a racist remark at a less liberal black. There is no connection to that real incident and the alleged incidents that you apparently must have carved into stone so they would not be forgotten. Furthermore... assuming just for the sake of discussion that your accusations are correct... since when does bad behavior by some excuse bad behavior by others?

Well, since you asked, here is Beck (via You Tube) acting out his fantasy about poisoning Ms. Pelosi.

Here is Ms. Trotta's idea about then Sen. Obama. Again, no protest from Mr. Williams. His silence spoke volumes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UudQuVOwSds

Then go ahead and tell me how humorous this is and tell me exactly why any "liberal" might not be bothered slightly by it. Mr. Williams didn't think enough of it to ever offer a word of protest. I presume this means he agreed with Mr. Beck's idea.

[chico53]

You would have to be an avid FOX viewer to know what Juan has said or has not said. He has been on hundreds of times on many FOX News shows... even an avid viewer will have missed a lot of his statements.



You know damned good and well that spoken statements do not get recorded where you can find them on Google unless it was picked up by someone and put into print. The statements of guests on News Commentary television are rarely so profound that somebody feels it important to quote them in print. I repeat... if you were to watch FOX regularly it takes very little time to determine who is liberal and who is conservative; Juan Williams is without a doubt liberal... a label he gladly admits to and is not ashamed of.

Juan defends Rush and O'Reilly when defense is appropriate. The steady onslaught of lies that the left spreads about those two is astounding. Juan is an honorable man... he is not so much defending Rush or O'Reilly as he is defending the truth. It is sad that you apparently cannot tell the difference. And criticism of one of your own does not make you the "other." If that were the case, this board would now be populated almost entirely by liberals.

Never said he wasn't an honorable man. And I have never heard him refer to himself as liberal. I don't think he considers himself one. I know I don't.

[Samm]

Well, since you asked, here is Beck (via You Tube) acting out his fantasy about poisoning Ms. Pelosi.

Here is Ms. Trotta's idea about then Sen. Obama. Again, no protest from Mr. Williams. His silence spoke volumes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UudQuVOwSds

Then go ahead and tell me how humorous this is and tell me exactly why any "liberal" might not be bothered slightly by it. Mr. Williams didn't think enough of it to ever offer a word of protest. I presume this means he agreed with Mr. Beck's idea.

So now at least we know where you get your information about what occurs on FOX News...

In the first clip: "... and now we have what some people are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama... Obama... well both if we could." She is clearly describing what somebody else has accused "us" of doing. Furthermore, whoever she is, she is not representing FOX News.

BTW... You seem to have missed her apology for making a joke of her slip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCCoD87l5E&feature=fvw

In the second clip: Beck is clearly making a joke about Pelosi's wine soiree and tossed in the "by the way I put poison in your... no" as a follow on to demanding that she drink her wine. It was a joke chico... a joke about the Pelosi fund raiser, not a joke about wanting to kill her.

Furthermore, you have no evidence that Williams was not offended by either one of those incidents... he might have been very critical of them, who knows; but neither one rises to the level of him having to "offer a word of protest" publicly so that you could find it with Google. Your outrage of his alleged indifference is manufactured and more than a little juvenile and completely pathetic.

Finally... Your examples, even if taken seriously by some were just jokes - at worst jokes in poor taste. What Ballantine said to Williams was no joke... it was said in anger and with sincerity and meant to demean Juan personally. Surely even you can see the difference.

If you are going to be so willing to grasp on every little sound bite thrown your way by Media Matters as evidence of a serious conspiracy by the Right to encourage harm to anyone, you are hopelessly indoctrinated and can not be reasoned with. When you find a legitimate threat to Obama or Pelosi or any other politician made by a FOX personality or contributor let us know. In the mean time, I'm sure you will remain content tuned to MSNBC, where one of their Commentators openly joked about killing Rush Limbaugh recently, because it is clear that you don't watch FOX.

[waynevan]

So now at least we know where you get your information about what occurs on FOX News...

In the first clip: "... and now we have what some people are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama... Obama... well both if we could." She is clearly describing what somebody else has accused "us" of doing. Furthermore, whoever she is, she is not representing FOX News.

BTW... You seem to have missed her apology for making a joke of her slip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCCoD87l5E&feature=fvw

In the second clip: Beck is clearly making a joke about Pelosi's wine soiree and tossed in the "by the way I put poison in your... no" as a follow on to demanding that she drink her wine. It was a joke chico... a joke about the Pelosi fund raiser, not a joke about wanting to kill her.

Furthermore, you have no evidence that Williams was not offended by either one of those incidents... he might have been very critical of them, who knows; but neither one rises to the level of him having to "offer a word of protest" publicly so that you could find it with Google. Your outrage of his alleged indifference is manufactured and more than a little juvenile and completely pathetic.

Finally... Your examples, even if taken seriously by some were just jokes - at worst jokes in poor taste. What Ballantine said to Williams was no joke... it was said in anger and with sincerity and meant to demean Juan personally. Surely even you can see the difference.

If you are going to be so willing to grasp on every little sound bite thrown your way by Media Matters as evidence of a serious conspiracy by the Right to encourage harm to anyone, you are hopelessly indoctrinated and can not be reasoned with. When you find a legitimate threat to Obama or Pelosi or any other politician made by a FOX personality or contributor let us know. In the mean time, I'm sure you will remain content tuned to MSNBC, where one of their Commentators openly joked about killing Rush Limbaugh recently, because it is clear that you don't watch FOX.

Kudos for your patience, good job.

[chico53]

So now at least we know where you get your information about what occurs on FOX News...

In the first clip: "... and now we have what some people are reading as a suggestion that somebody knock off Osama... Obama... well both if we could." She is clearly describing what somebody else has accused "us" of doing. Furthermore, whoever she is, she is not representing FOX News.

BTW... You seem to have missed her apology for making a joke of her slip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCCoD87l5E&feature=fvw

In the second clip: Beck is clearly making a joke about Pelosi's wine soiree and tossed in the "by the way I put poison in your... no" as a follow on to demanding that she drink her wine. It was a joke chico... a joke about the Pelosi fund raiser, not a joke about wanting to kill her.

Furthermore, you have no evidence that Williams was not offended by either one of those incidents... he might have been very critical of them, who knows; but neither one rises to the level of him having to "offer a word of protest" publicly so that you could find it with Google. Your outrage of his alleged indifference is manufactured and more than a little juvenile and completely pathetic.

Finally... Your examples, even if taken seriously by some were just jokes - at worst jokes in poor taste. What Ballantine said to Williams was no joke... it was said in anger and with sincerity and meant to demean Juan personally. Surely even you can see the difference.

If you are going to be so willing to grasp on every little sound bite thrown your way by Media Matters as evidence of a serious conspiracy by the Right to encourage harm to anyone, you are hopelessly indoctrinated and can not be reasoned with. When you find a legitimate threat to Obama or Pelosi or any other politician made by a FOX personality or contributor let us know. In the mean time, I'm sure you will remain content tuned to MSNBC, where one of their Commentators openly joked about killing Rush Limbaugh recently, because it is clear that you don't watch FOX.

Let's start at the bottom and work up, shall we? No, openly joking about killing anybody is in the worst possible taste, and is, in my view, grounds for a firing offense (or, at the very least, a stiff suspension). Clear enough?

What Ballantine said to Williams was despicable and has no place in society. No amount of anger justifies it.

Moving on, Google is a wonderful creation. If Mr. Williams has ever been critical of either Ms. Trotta or Mr. Beck, I have great faith we could find it somewhere. That fact that we can't speaks volumes. Sorry. Guilt as charged on this one.

Now to Mr. Beck. Was he joking? He never said so ... even a day or two later. Was he joking when he said Obama was a racist who hates white people? Again, he has never said so. What's a fellow to do? I choose to believe he means everything he says until we find out otherwise. He certainly takes that view when it comes to the people he criticizes.

Finally, Ms. Trotta. True, she did offer an "apology" of sorts the next day. But she said she was sorry if she offended somebody ... not that it was a stupid thing to say or even insinuate. Helluva difference. And she sure as hell was representing Fox News at that moment. Or are you suggesting that if, say, Lawrence O'Donnell or some other MSNBC irregular had made a similar faux pas during the 2008 campaign regarding Sen. McCain or Gov. Palin, you would have been equally forgiving?

Incidentally, Ms. Trotta is still listed on Fox's website as a contributor:
http://www.foxnews.com/bios/talent/li-trotta/

As an aside to the Fox staff, they might want to check that bio a little closer. They list her as covering 1984 presidential candidate George McGovern. They are only a dozen years off.)

[Samm]

What Ballantine said to Williams was despicable and has no place in society. No amount of anger justifies it.

Moving on, Google is a wonderful creation. If Mr. Williams has ever been critical of either Ms. Trotta or Mr. Beck, I have great faith we could find it somewhere. That fact that we can't speaks volumes. Sorry. Guilt as charged on this one.

<snip>

This is the only pertinent part of your post; the rest is getting too far off topic.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to witness it, does it make a sound? Juan Williams could have been upset (although I think Juan is far too intelligent to be upset over a slight joke over a slip of the tongue and a parody joke) with both of your desperate attempts to show FOX excusing bad behavior, but unless somebody recorded it and posted it on Google it does not exist. He could have even said it on the air and it would not necessarily be picked up and posted. Your faith in Google goes beyond silly. I have heard Juan be critical of Beck (just not about that specific instance) while on FOX commentary shows. Why were you not able to find those quotes with Google? :eh:

I'll give you a hint; one time was fairly recently when Beck called Obama racist during an interview. I expect the exact quote from Juan to be posted here shortly...

[Mr. M]

As an aside to the Fox staff, they might want to check that bio a little closer. They list her as covering 1984 presidential candidate George McGovern. They are only a dozen years off.)

McGovern ran in the 1984 primaries...

[Obummer]

JFK Democrat = Right Wing Looney....got it.

JFK started the tax cuts...

[chico53]

McGovern ran in the 1984 primaries...

It wasn't much of a run. It doesn't even get mentioned in his official biography. Wikipedia gives it this summary:

"McGovern attempted another presidential run in the 1984 Democratic Presidential nomination. Despite having name recognition and winning a surprise third place showing in the Iowa Caucuses amidst a crowded field of candidates, the campaign was largely unsuccessful. He won no primaries and ended his candidacy after failing to reach his announced, 'Super Tuesday' goal of placing first or second in the Massachusetts Primary. (He placed third, behind Gary Hart and former Vice President Walter Mondale.) He later endorsed Mondale, the eventual Democratic nominee.

Despite his withdrawal, McGovern's name remained on the ballot in a number of state primaries throughout the primary season, and his name was placed in nomination at the Democratic Convention. He addressed the Convention's Platform Committee and delivered a rousing speech at the Convention (having received four delegates' votes there.) He went on to actively support the Mondale-Ferraro ticket."

If that is the best you can offer on Ms. Trotta's behalf, fine. You win on technical points. Reads more like a Tom Tancredo campaign to me.

[Mr. M]

If that is the best you can offer on Ms. Trotta's behalf, fine. You win on technical points. Reads more like a Tom Tancredo campaign to me.

lol...

Since you were trying to score on technical points and were utterly uninformed, of course I "win."


Perhaps next time you might do a little research before running the old gob recklessly.

[Samm]

We have missed your contributions to these types of threads M... I certainly hope that golf and hunting seasons are over for the year. ;)

[Mike88]

My take on Juan is that he is a Democrat and not a lefist (socialist/communist). It's one of the thinks I like about him.

I find it funny that some think that all Democrats must support Obama. Obama is a far from being a true Democrat as anyone can be. He's part of the far left wing (socialist/communist) group who has hijacked the party.

Obama didn't hijack the party. The Democrats have been a communist party since the days of the tyrant known as FDR. Obama hasn't reached the level of marxist dictator that FDR did during the depression, but he is certainly trying to get there. Just go read up about the policies of the Democrats during the FDR days and you'll see what I'm saying.

[jeepers]

Chico doesn't watch. However, if he did he'd probably believe that Beck boiled a frog or poured gasoline over one of his producers.

I mean HE SAW IT ON YOUTUBE, right?

:))

Glenn is comically warped but he's no assassin. If you believe that, you need a serious sense of humour transplant.

(Btw, the gasoline thing was HILARIOUS. The look on that guy's face was precious. And I KNEW that some idiot would start screaming OMG GLENN BECK BOILED A FROG! That, despite immediately afterward saying that he didn't really boil a frog, and that people would still accuse him of doing so. You don't have to be psychic to know what some will do with things like that. And true to form, they did. Posted it all over youtube. )

[chico53]

I see. Did he also not say the president is a racist who hates white people? Did he also not fantasize about poisoning the Speaker Of The House?

Look, jeepers, if that is the kind of guy you wish to idolize, have at it. I'll pass. My loss, I'm sure.

[Samm]

Did he also not say the president is a racist who hates white people?

Yes.

Did he also not fantasize about poisoning the Speaker Of The House?

No.


Now, how about getting back to the OP issue. :neutral: