"It's ok you can go back to the porch now."

[Always Independent]

Just heard this comment made to Juan Williams in the lefts latest witchhunt against Rush.

It was uttered near the end of the Rush/NFL segment by Warren Ballentine(radio talk show host) on todays Factor with O'Reilly.

Basically the whole time Warren is saying once a racist always a racist, and that Rush is a racist. Him and Juan get into it a little, and the last comment made by Warren to Juan was, "Juan, it..it..it..it's ok you can go back to the porch now."

Think I heard wrong? Is this acceptable? Seems like a backhanded comment and with very racist connotations. Add that with his fake outrage over Rush and the NFL and you get a liberal radio host. Whom shows their true colors, it's never about the protest, it's always about manipulating the perception.

I feel this is how democrats and the left in general views the right. They don't respect you, they certainly don't fear you, now they are turning anyone who crosses them into the next Joe the plumber, one of Palin's kids, or Rush or whomever else they deem to focus their majority media presence on while turning them into the bad guy. They love guilt by association, accept when talking about God Damn the US of KKKAmerica rev. Wrong of course and etc....

What do you guys think?

[ModerateVoice]

Warren Ballentine spends the whole segment bitching about unsubstantiated accusations of racism, and then makes a racist statement as his last word. Priceless.

[Lucie8675]

I heard it! Disgustingly typical! Why didn't he just call Juan an 'uncle tom'? Liberals will take advantage of anyone, black, white red or yellow. If this idiot is 'so concerned' about racial slurs, why use them? This clown is a disingenuous, lying liberal buffoon.
I'm glad Rush has exposed the libs for who they are to a larger audience and aided them in their inevitable implosion.
Bravo!
:flag:

[PheonixOps]

Warren Ballentine spends the whole segment bitching about unsubstantiated accusations of racism, and then makes a racist statement as his last word. Priceless.

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?

[deportalllibs]

Warren Ballentine spends the whole segment bitching about unsubstantiated accusations of racism, and then makes a racist statement as his last word. Priceless.

Rush has the libs discombobulated as usual. :dance:

[Lucie8675]

Warren Ballentine spends the whole segment bitching about unsubstantiated accusations of racism, and then makes a racist statement as his last word. Priceless.
That's libs; two-faced, phony, attention seekers. This idiot is obviously not concerned about racial slurs or he wouldn't use them. I think Juan wanted to let him have it.

[dwatts26726]

Yeah I couldn't believe he said it...

[See It Clearly]

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?

Why is the race of the person saying it a concern?

[TCUFan]

Wow, what a moron. Way to go, dipstick.

TCUFan

[BravoBuzzard]

As long as I remember, they use that tactic to destroy the credibility of those that oppose them. Remember the Clarence Thomas 'trials'? How about Kenneth Starr?

They have no argument against the substance of the debate, so instead, they destroy their opponent. They tell lies just to get the sound bite out on the airwaves, neverminding the conseqences.

Not very intellectual people to say the least.

[Lucie8675]

Seems O'Reilly missed an excellent opportunity to call him on his hypocrisy!

[PheonixOps]

Why is the race of the person saying it a concern?

Why isn't it? For example, an Italian person calling another Italian person an epithet used toward Italians isn't racist. A Black person hurling those same epithets towards an Italian person can be racist (depending on the definition of "racist" we are using and depending on the context in which the epithet was hurled).

[tom1468]

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?
Are you sure you dont know the term in reference here?
I think you might be trying to bait someone into using the term

It is clearly racist
Most blacks I know would rather be called a uncle tom

[ExDem]

I heard it. Typical racist hate from the left. Classic example. Dispicable.

[OlMehk]

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?
I think talking about the porch pokes at his blackness...I know he is spanish; he is also a blackman. I have heard blacks called as porch m-nkeys...PLEASE DON'T BAN ME FOR USING THAT PHRASE

[Mick R.]

Didn't hear it, but could he not have meant "you can go back to the porch" as in "if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch" ? Nothing racist about that IF that's what he meant - smart aleck and sarcastic, maybe, but not racist.

[See It Clearly]

Why isn't it? For example, an Italian person calling another Italian person an epithet used toward Italians isn't racist. A Black person hurling those same epithets towards an Italian person can be racist (depending on the definition of "racist" we are using and depending on the context in which the epithet was hurled).

Bull ****! That stupid kind of thinking is the very reason we have gotten in to this stupid race baiting mess. If it is racist for one it is racist for all. We can't pick and choose and expect there to be any sanity.

The definition is just that, the defining and definite meaning of the terms used. To say it is fine for one group to use in a certain context but not another, is simply ignorant.

[HadEnough]

Bull ****! That stupid kind of thinking is the very reason we have gotten in to this stupid race baiting mess. If it is racist for one it is racist for all. We can't pick and choose and expect there to be any sanity.

The definition is just that, the defining and definite meaning of the terms used. To say it is fine for one group to use in a certain context but not another, is simply ignorant.

Nonsense. I hear blacks call blacks the N word all the time. So by your definition they obviously hate their own race. Talk about stupidity.

[PheonixOps]

Are you sure you dont know the term in reference here?
I think you might be trying to bait someone into using the term

It is clearly racist
Most blacks I know would rather be called a uncle tom

Look tom1468, I'm not some ******* that would try to bait someone into saying something so I could run and try to get them in trouble. That's just not me. So your assumption is PLAIN WRONG. I think that maybe the person who said that to Williams was basically saying that he was a "kiss ass", especially if it's from one Black guy to another Black guy (if the term is along the lines of "uncle tom").

[Values]

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?

Please don't act so stupid.
You are better than this!
Own up to liberal racism whether from a black or white.

[PheonixOps]

I think talking about the porch pokes at his blackness...I know he is spanish; he is also a blackman. I have heard blacks called as<snip>...PLEASE DON'T BAN ME FOR USING THAT PHRASE

Hey man just "snip" what I snipped above, I don't want to see you get in trouble. The only time in my life that I ever heard that phrase being used, was by White people using it in a derogatory way toward Black people.

[See It Clearly]

Nonsense. I hear blacks call blacks the N word all the time. So by your definition they obviously hate their own race. Talk about stupidity.

I agree with you, it is stupid. Why would anyone do that?

[tom1468]

Look tom1468, I'm not some ******* that would try to bait someone into saying something so I could run and try to get them in trouble. That's just not me. So your assumption is PLAIN WRONG. I think that maybe the person who said that to Williams was basically saying that he was a "kiss ass", especially if it's from one Black guy to another Black guy (if the term is along the lines of "uncle tom").
I will be a big man and say I am sorry if that wasnt your intent.
But where I come from it is a commonly know phase and no it isnt along the lines of uncle tom. IT is more along the lines of the "N" word.

I will say another poster here pointed out the phase. I will not
I will just say monkeys do not play on the porch

[TCUFan]

I agree with you, it is stupid. Why would anyone do that?

Not only that, it spits in the face of everything people like Rosa Parks and Dr. King believed was true.

TCUFan

[Lucie8675]

In the book, "Uncle Tom's Cabin", Tom always sat on the porch to think about things. This was a definite racial slur directed at Juan Williams for siding with the 'white man'.

[Vaard]

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?

its a reference to "uncle toms cabin".....

[PheonixOps]

Bull ****! That stupid kind of thinking is the very reason we have gotten in to this stupid race baiting mess. If it is racist for one it is racist for all. We can't pick and choose and expect there to be any sanity.

The definition is just that, the defining and definite meaning of the terms used. To say it is fine for one group to use in a certain context but not another, is simply ignorant.

That's a crock of ****. People of certain racial/ethnic groups joke with each other like that quite often. I've heard Irish, Italian, Hispanics, and Blacks use those terms toward each other in a joking manner. I've heard friends who were say, Irish call an Italian a "racist term" in a joking manner and there was no problem, just laughs.
Now let someone from another ethnicity call a person from another ethnicity those terms in an angry and derogatory manner, then there's a problem. How can an Italian be racist for calling another Italian one of the derogatory words in an angry manner? The phrase in question and the context in question from the OP, was basically calling the guy a "kiss ass" or a "tool" nothing more nothing less.

[Vaard]

Why isn't it? For example, an Italian person calling another Italian person an epithet used toward Italians isn't racist. A Black person hurling those same epithets towards an Italian person can be racist (depending on the definition of "racist" we are using and depending on the context in which the epithet was hurled).

this is not a phrase meant to be used in "race brother" bonding.......

there is no other context for the phrase.....

it could be considered more offensive than a white person using a racial slur against a black person.......

[Values]

That's a crock of ****. People of certain racial/ethnic groups joke with each other like that quite often. I've heard Irish, Italian, Hispanics, and Blacks use those terms toward each other in a joking manner. I've heard friends who were say, Irish call an Italian a "racist term" in a joking manner and there was no problem, just laughs.
Now let someone from another ethnicity call a person from another ethnicity those terms in an angry and derogatory manner, then there's a problem. How can an Italian be racist for calling another Italian one of the derogatory words in an angry manner? The phrase in question and the context in question from the OP, was basically calling the guy a "kiss ass" or a "tool" nothing more nothing less.

You're wrong and you and everyone else here knows it.
You are defending the indefensible!

[PheonixOps]

I will be a big man and say I am sorry if that wasnt your intent.
But where I come from it is a commonly know phase and no it isnt along the lines of uncle tom. IT is more along the lines of the "N" word.

I will say another poster here pointed out the phase. I will not
I will just say monkeys do not play on the porch

It TOTALLY wasn't my intent, I'm not like that. I just didn't get the meaning initially. That "uncle Tom" thing is basically calling the person a kiss ass and and a sell out, it's not racist. The phrase on your last line, I have only heard from White people calling Black people that in a derogatory and racist way...........If the guy that said that to Williams was Black, it wasn't racial, it was a put down like I stated above.

[ExDem]

Seems O'Reilly missed an excellent opportunity to call him on his hypocrisy!

I don't think Bill heard it. He started wrapping up the interview, and I don't think he caught it. Juan sure did. He was livid.

[Cygnus X-1]

Radical LIBS are the MASTERS[pun] of the race~bait!

I'm SICK of this ****!!!!

[roger teekell]

I TOTALLY wasn't my intent, I'm not like that. I just didn't get the meaning initially. That "uncle Tom" thing is basically calling the person a kiss and and a sell out, it's not racist. The phrase on your last line, I have only heard from White people calling Black people that in a derogatory and racist way...........If the guy that said that to Williams was Black, it wasn't racial, it was a put down like I stated above.
Well it seems even Vaard disagrees with you..

And he is hardly a defender of Republican minds on this forum..

[PheonixOps]

this is not a phrase meant to be used in "race brother" bonding.......

there is no other context for the phrase.....

it could be considered more offensive than a white person using a racial slur against a black person.......

I agree regarding the context. It was meant to call Williams a "sell out". But if it's one Black guy calling another Black guy a term commonly used to call another Black guy a "sell out", it's hardly "racist".

[tom1468]

It TOTALLY wasn't my intent, I'm not like that. I just didn't get the meaning initially. That "uncle Tom" thing is basically calling the person a kiss and and a sell out, it's not racist. The phrase on your last line, I have only heard from White people calling Black people that in a derogatory and racist way...........If the guy that said that to Williams was Black, it wasn't racial, it was a put down like I stated above.
So are you saying that it is somehow less disgusting , "IF" it is said by someone of the same race?

[roger teekell]

I agree regarding the context. It was meant to call Williams a "sell out". But if it's one Black guy calling another Black guy a term commonly used to call another Black guy a "sell out", it's hardly "racist".

So what exactly is "Sell out" about defending a man against FALSE ACCUSATIONS??

Most would think that is a gutsy thing to do...Telling the TRUTH in the face of a bunch of LIES.

[HoracioMendez]

That ain't right. Ain't right at all.

[Grand Wazoo]

Didn't hear it, but could he not have meant "you can go back to the porch" as in "if you can't run with the big dogs stay on the porch" ? Nothing racist about that IF that's what he meant - smart aleck and sarcastic, maybe, but not racist.

I agree, however everyone here is assuming that they know the context that his comment was used. Without knowing exactly, there is no discussion.

[Lucie8675]

I agree regarding the context. It was meant to call Williams a "sell out". But if it's one Black guy calling another Black guy a term commonly used to call another Black guy a "sell out", it's hardly "racist".
You are missing the point, completely! The topic being dicussed was racial slurs, allegedly made by Rush Limbaugh and how 'offended' this idiot was by it. In the course of 5 minutes, he uses the exact type of racial slur that offends him so much. It was not a 'sell-out' it was an Uncle Tom racial slur and Juan Williams knew it! The look on his face said it all.

[coolidge]

I don't see Juan eye to eye on a lot of things. But what I have for him is respect, he delivers his side very diplomatic avoiding the typical attack the opposition antics and comes across with a strong message. To have some idiot come on and make this kind of remark is indefensible. Does the left really want to include this warren nut in their party?

[PheonixOps]

You're wrong and you and everyone else here knows it.
You are defending the indefensible!

It's all they have left.
Racism is used not only by the black left but by the ENTIRE left.
I say, keep it up, it is their true colors showing and it doesn't play well in the heartland.
Maybe we need to get this all out in the open and actually face the true racists at their level.
The term "racist" need to lack power and then we can move on as a whole country.

Yeah, ok............. :))

[E7ALR]

I agree regarding the context. It was meant to call Williams a "sell out". But if it's one Black guy calling another Black guy a term commonly used to call another Black guy a "sell out", it's hardly "racist".Except that when a black person calls another black person a "Tom", it means selling out to the white man against other blacks. Everything about that phrase is racially based.

[E7ALR]

You are missing the point, completely! The topic being dicussed was racial slurs, allegedly made by Rush Limbaugh and how 'offended' this idiot was by it. In the course of 5 minutes, he uses the exact type of racial slur that offends him so much. It was not a 'sell-out' it was an Uncle Tom racial slur and Juan Williams knew it! The look on his face said it all.And it's not the first time Juan has been accused of this by a black liberal.

[Lucie8675]

Remember when the left called Colin Powell "Uncle Tom" and Condy Rice "Aunt Jemimah"? That was the left, all inclusive.

[PheonixOps]

Well it seems even Vaard disagrees with you..

And he is hardly a defender of Republican minds on this forum..

So what if he does, I still hold him in high regard and consider him head and shoulders above the rest..........People don't always have to agree on everything.

[HoracioMendez]

Remember when the left called Colin Powell "Uncle Tom" and Condy Rice "Aunt Jemimah"? That was the left, all inclusive.

I, for one, have never even insinuated that about either of them. Neither have any liberals I've known. I'm beginning to see what an echo chamber can do to peoples' opinions though.

[WildRose]

How is it racist? What does that phrase mean? What was the race of the person saying it to Williams?The porch or the kitchen is where the house servants were typically sent when the plantation owers were entertaining and didn't "need their services".

[Values]

Yeah, ok............. :))

So what are trying to say????
That Values hates racists and racism.....yup!
Give it a rest, you are on the wrong side here and making a baffoon of yourself.

[PheonixOps]

So are you saying that it is somehow less disgusting , "IF" it is said by someone of the same race?
What is less disgusting?

[Lucie8675]

I, for one, have never even insinuated that about either of them. Neither have any liberals I've known. I'm beginning to see what an echo chamber can do to peoples' opinions though.
I never said you did...wow. As, far as echo chamber comment, Google it, smart boy. Here's what you type in: Uncle Tom Colin Powell and/or Condy Rice.

[PheonixOps]

So what exactly is "Sell out" about defending a man against FALSE ACCUSATIONS??

Most would think that is a gutsy thing to do...Telling the TRUTH in the face of a bunch of LIES.

Ask the guy who hurled that insult toward Williams.

I can't speak for the guy, I don't know him. My guess is that he feels or thinks that Limbaugh is a racist, for whatever reason, and he's mad that Williams is sticking up for Limbaugh. Thus he called him whatever he called him and it's basically a term, that translates to "sell out" or "kiss ass", amongst other descriptions that I won't elaborate on (profanity based).

[HoracioMendez]

I never said you did...wow. As, far as echo chamber comment, Google it, smart boy. Here's what you type in: Uncle Tom Colin Powell and/or Condy Rice.
You said " That was the left, all inclusive." when that's complete and total horse ****, and I don't need to google racist terms to know it.

[PheonixOps]

I agree, however everyone here is assuming that they know the context that his comment was used. Without knowing exactly, there is no discussion.

Good point.

[E7ALR]

Dude, he basically called him a porch monkey in so many words. That's not ****ing cool no matter what side you're on.I took it more that he called him a good house ****** just like Uncle Tom.

[tom1468]

What is less disgusting?
That is like asking me to define the word "IS"

You are defending a racist slur
You seem to think this slur is less disgusting "IF" it is said by someone of the same race.
Either way it is disgusting

[HoracioMendez]

I took it more that he called him a good house ****** just like Uncle Tom.
Lol I got my racial slurs mixed up. Whoops, my bad. Still not acceptable. I deleted it, both for this reason and it contains a racial slur even if it's not directed at anyone.

[PheonixOps]

You are missing the point, completely! The topic being dicussed was racial slurs, allegedly made by Rush Limbaugh and how 'offended' this idiot was by it. In the course of 5 minutes, he uses the exact type of racial slur that offends him so much. It was not a 'sell-out' it was an Uncle Tom racial slur and Juan Williams knew it! The look on his face said it all.

Was the guy Black? Is Juan Williams Black? If so, it wasn't "racial" or "racist". It was one guy insulting another person of the same race with a term meant to insult him as a sell out of the lowest level, that why Juan was probably ****ed off.

[Lucie8675]

You said " That was the left, all inclusive." when that's complete and total horse ****, and I don't need to google racist terms to know it.
Look, what I meant by all inclusive is both blacks and whites on the left.
I said Google it, if you don't believe this was associated with the left, not Google the racial slur.

[BasicGreatGuy]

Just heard this comment made to Juan Williams in the lefts latest witchhunt against Rush.

It was uttered near the end of the Rush/NFL segment by Warren Ballentine(radio talk show host) on todays Factor with O'Reilly.

Basically the whole time Warren is saying once a racist always a racist, and that Rush is a racist. Him and Juan get into it a little, and the last comment made by Warren to Juan was, "Juan, it..it..it..it's ok you can go back to the porch now."

Think I heard wrong? Is this acceptable? Seems like a backhanded comment and with very racist connotations. Add that with his fake outrage over Rush and the NFL and you get a liberal radio host. Whom shows their true colors, it's never about the protest, it's always about manipulating the perception.

I feel this is how democrats and the left in general views the right. They don't respect you, they certainly don't fear you, now they are turning anyone who crosses them into the next Joe the plumber, one of Palin's kids, or Rush or whomever else they deem to focus their majority media presence on while turning them into the bad guy. They love guilt by association, accept when talking about God Damn the US of KKKAmerica rev. Wrong of course and etc....

What do you guys think?

I think you are focusing too much time and energy on the meaningless drivel of some talk show guest.

[tom1468]

I took it more that he called him a good house ****** just like Uncle Tom.
Exactly right
That is what the term means
And regardless if it is said by someone of the same race or not, it is still racist.

Please dont take it as me attempting to inform you, I am merely attempting to talk though you

[PheonixOps]

Except that when a black person calls another black person a "Tom", it means selling out to the white man against other blacks. Everything about that phrase is racially based.

How many times have I said that the guy was calling Williams a sell out??? Every time I have heard someone called that term, it was usually because the person calling the other person that felt that the guy was kissing the ass of what he perceived as a racist White guy.
I just don't think that when he called Williams what he called him was a racist attack against Williams, it was more of a put down than anything else.

I don't know where most of you people are from, but I think much of this terminology is regional.

[PheonixOps]

Remember when the left called Colin Powell "Uncle Tom" and Condy Rice "Aunt Jemimah"? That was the left, all inclusive.

What do you mean "the left"? I have the highest respect for those two individuals..........You are making a stereotype right there! :))

[PheonixOps]

The porch or the kitchen is where the house servants were typically sent when the plantation owers were entertaining and didn't "need their services".

Thank you! So he was basically calling him a "House Servant" to his master, aka "kiss ass", "sell out", etc.

[Lucie8675]

What do you mean "the left"? I have the highest respect for those two individuals..........You are making a stereotype right there! :))
How is the truth a stereotype? Amazing.
I meant the left, liberals. If you are a liberal, don't take it up with me. Take it up with the party YOU support.
If you have 'the highest respect for those two individuals', why do you support a party that doesn't?

[jeepers]

Phoenix, it's just a plain racial slur. To me, it doesn't matter who delivers it, you deliver one, then that person is revealing much about themselves.

You say if that if they are both minorities, it's 'okay'.

Sorry, it's not okay. I saw Juan's face, and I was wearing the same one. Like :eek: WTH?? I couldn't believe that came out of his mouth.

This helps perpetuate the unacceptable. I really disagree with you. It's not okay, it's not harmless and it's not a sterile jab.

What I don't understand is why O'Reilly cut it off right there. Why didn't he stop everything and ask him to explain himself?

[E7ALR]

How many times have I said that the guy was calling Williams a sell out??? Every time I have heard someone called that term, it was usually because the person calling the other person that felt that the guy was kissing the ass of what he perceived as a racist White guy.
I just don't think that when he called Williams what he called him was a racist attack against Williams, it was more of a put down than anything else.

I don't know where most of you people are from, but I think much of this terminology is regional.Of course it wasn't a race based attack, he just accussed him of being a traitor to his race.

When I was younger, it wasn't uncommon for bigoted whites to call any white person who sided, right or wrong, with a black person, against a white person a ****** lover. This guy tonight accused Juan of the same thing, just using the phrase that bigoted blacks use. His motivation was the color of Juan's skin and the color of Rush's skin.

[PheonixOps]

So what are trying to say????
That Values hates racists and racism.....yup!
Give it a rest, you are on the wrong side here and making a baffoon of yourself.

Read that post of yours again. You made quite a generalization there, you know the "Black left" and the other leftists". As far as "baffoon", well never mind.. :))

[tom1468]

Here is the video, it happens right at the end. I dont care, if it isnt right for a white man to say it, then it isnt right for a black man to say it.
Wrong is wrong is just wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8U6x_Y_dSg

[kenpoman]

enough of this stupidity.

there is nothing racist in any of this. for God's sake folks, look up
the definition of the word.

it was a racial slur, with the implication Williams is a trator to his race.
it is the most base insult possible, but not racist

[PheonixOps]

That is like asking me to define the word "IS"

You are defending a racist slur
You seem to think this slur is less disgusting "IF" it is said by someone of the same race.
Either way it is disgusting

I'm not defending anything. I am just clarifying things. What is your definition of "racist"? Due to your ignorance on the subject, all that was being said was the he considered Williams a "sell out" or a "kiss ass".
Where did I say it was alright? Where have I said that I agree with the man's assertion? I also said that it depended on the context and circumstances.

[Values]

enough of this stupidity.

there is nothing racist in any of this. for God's sake folks, look up
the definition of the word.

it was a racial slur, with the implication Williams is a trator to his race.
it is the most base insult possible, but not racist

Can a black man, I mean a truly black as in no whites in their history, see another "less" black man as a different race?
Has that ever been an issue?

[PheonixOps]

How is the truth a stereotype? Amazing.
I meant the left, liberals. If you are a liberal, don't take it up with me. Take it up with the party YOU support.
If you have 'the highest respect for those two individuals', why do you support a party that doesn't?

LOL, with all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about! :))

I am a Liberal, what party do I support? You are making a blanket generalization. I would have voted for Ron Paul as fast as I would vote for President Obama.

[agent_86]

Just watched the rerun... missed the first one... what a bag of feces that guy was!!

Unbelievable.

[tom1468]

I'm not defending anything. I am just clarifying things. What is your definition of "racist"? Due to your ignorance on the subject, all that was being said was the he considered Williams a "sell out" or a "kiss ass".
Where did I say it was alright? Where have I said that I agree with the man's assertion? I also said that it depended on the context and circumstances.
He was calling him a damn house ******, that is racist no matter who the hell said it and regadless of their skin color.

Your spliting hairs

[PheonixOps]

Of course it wasn't a race based attack, he just accussed him of being a traitor to his race.

When I was younger, it wasn't uncommon for bigoted whites to call any white person who sided, right or wrong, with a black person, against a white person a ****** lover. This guy tonight accused Juan of the same thing, just using the phrase that bigoted blacks use. His motivation was the color of Juan's skin and the color of Rush's skin.

That's my point!!!!

I will also add that I think that he feels that Limbaugh is a racist and that Juan was "siding" with Limbaugh, thus he basically called him a "traitor" or a "sell out".

[The Duke]

He's not a racist, just a facist driven by his radical left political ideas. Well, he might be a racist too, but in this case just a facist.

[PheonixOps]

enough of this stupidity.

there is nothing racist in any of this. for God's sake folks, look up
the definition of the word.

it was a racial slur, with the implication Williams is a trator to his race.
it is the most base insult possible, but not racist

LOL, jeez Louise!!!!

[tom1468]

Of course it wasn't a race based attack, he just accussed him of being a traitor to his race.

When I was younger, it wasn't uncommon for bigoted whites to call any white person who sided, right or wrong, with a black person, against a white person a ****** lover. This guy tonight accused Juan of the same thing, just using the phrase that bigoted blacks use. His motivation was the color of Juan's skin and the color of Rush's skin.
Isnt that how one would define racism? Isnt it based on ones skin color?

[PheonixOps]

He was calling him a damn house ******, that is racist no matter who the hell said it and regadless of their skin color.

Your spliting hairs

I think that you are splitting hairs.
If two guys grew up together and are best friends, one is Irish and one is Black, and they jokingly call each other racist names while they are working, hanging out drinking some beer and talking ****, playing handball etc. Are they racists? Are they being racist towards each other? If two Italian guys are doing the same things that I described above and they call each other derogatory names used to describe Italians, are they racists?

[tom1468]

I think that you are splitting hairs.
If two guys grew up together and are best friends, one is Irish and one is Black, and they jokingly call each other racist names while they are working, hanging out drinking some beer and talking ****, playing handball etc. Are they racists? Are they being racist towards each other? If two Italian guys are doing the same things that I described above and they call each other derogatory names used to describe Italians, are they racists?
I will stand by my statement, you are spliting hairs
This isnt 2 guys hanging out together at the local pub, doing a little male bonding over a beer and talking crap and laughing at it.

[Lucie8675]

LOL, with all due respect, you don't know what you are talking about! :))

I am a Liberal, what party do I support? You are making a blanket generalization. I would have voted for Ron Paul as fast as I would vote for President Obama.
What is wrong with you?
I didn't make the 'generalization'! The liberals did. I didn't come up with this; it's all over the internet from the year 2000 on. This is such a typical, stupid argument. Right, blame me for something the left said.
Sounds like a personal problem, with all due respect.

[HoracioMendez]

What is wrong with you?
I didn't make the 'generalization'! The liberals did. I didn't come up with this; it's all over the internet from the year 2000 on. This is such a typical, stupid argument. Right, blame me for something the left said.
Sounds like a personal problem, with all due respect.

I'm going to start making generalizations about conservatives based on the politics of David Duke or those idiots protesting soldiers funerals. It'll be every bit as valid as you trying to generalize about liberals like this.

[tom1468]

I'm going to start making generalizations about conservatives based on the politics of David Duke or those idiots protesting soldiers funerals. It'll be every bit as valid as you trying to generalize about liberals like this.
Your a little late to the game
Both sides already do this

[HoracioMendez]

Your a little late to the game
Both sides already do this

This is true. Still gotta call em on it when they do it though.

[Lucie8675]

I'm going to start making generalizations about conservatives based on the politics of David Duke or those idiots protesting soldiers funerals. It'll be every bit as valid as you trying to generalize about liberals like this.

In 1988, Duke ran initially in the Democratic (http://forums.hannity.com/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) presidential primaries; In 1992 Duke ran for the Republican party presidential nomination. Republican party officials tried to block his participation! The Republican party never codoned Duke, in any way.
Your point is lost and this argument is boring.

[HoracioMendez]

In 1988, Duke ran initially in the Democratic (http://forums.hannity.com/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)) presidential primaries; In 1992 Duke ran for the Republican party presidential nomination. Republican party officials tried to block his participation! The Republican party never codoned Duke, in any way.
Your point is lost and this argument is boring.


You don't even understand my point because you can't see past your partisan bull ****.

[bitterclingerincalif]

I missed it both times watching O'Reilly.But what was the other guy referring to in 1970? Was he referring to something Rush supposedly said in 1970? It couldn't have been Rush on the radio in 1970.

[Darkblade]

using a derogatory racial term on a black because you feel he is "siding with whites" over his own race is the height of racism. i don't give a flying damn if both the aggressor and the target are the same race. its race based.its a slur. and it is plain that he holds one "fidelity" to one's race as higher than another's. its race plain and simple.

[AvgGuyIA]

This is getting ridiculous. I vote that "Uncle Tom" be deemed a racist term.

[Darkblade]

i think juan should have threw a non telegraphed full force straight line punch to that *******'s face and knocked him over backwards right there.

[Andrew1218]

Juan Williams seems like a real good guy. He doesn't deserve to be treated that way. O'Reilly should never have that moron back on the show.

Sean should never have Sharpton back on his show either. He should not be referred to as reverend as he has continually "bears false witness against thy neighbor" for political gain and money.

Their are over 300 million people in this country. Can't we find someone else to put on the show?

[ExDem]

How many times have I said that the guy was calling Williams a sell out??? Every time I have heard someone called that term, it was usually because the person calling the other person that felt that the guy was kissing the ass of what he perceived as a racist White guy.
I just don't think that when he called Williams what he called him was a racist attack against Williams, it was more of a put down than anything else.

I don't know where most of you people are from, but I think much of this terminology is regional.

But he didn't call Juan a sell out, did he? He told him to get back on the porch----a not so subtle racist remark. Anyone defending it, in my book, makes them no better then him. Until folks quit defending racist behavior, things will not get better.

[ExDem]

I have emailed Bill O'Reilly and told him that he needs to address this on his show. I don't believe Bill caught the guys racist remark, but he followed it by saying it had been a "GOOD, spirited debate." Hurling racial slurs at a man is not good. Bill needs to clarify that.

[itzcold]

Basically the whole time Warren is saying once a racist always a racist, and that Rush is a racist. Him and Juan get into it a little, and the last comment made by Warren to Juan was, "Juan, it..it..it..it's ok you can go back to the porch now."
Does anybody else think this was referring to the commonly used phrase "If you can't run with the big dogs, then stay on the porch?"

[tom1468]

The term he was refering to is porch monkey. It is racist as they come.
To say that it was use to call another a sell out is crap, pure crap.

The term was use to extort power and control. It was use to stop Juan from speaking out and taking the side of Rush. It was used to shame Juan.

He wasnt calling him a sell out he was attempting to use race to control another.
That is what racism is. This time it is another black man , doing it to a black man

I think this man needs to have his picture right beside other slave owners

[kenpoman]

do none of you own a dictionary?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist

[See It Clearly]

I think that you are splitting hairs.
If two guys grew up together and are best friends, one is Irish and one is Black, and they jokingly call each other racist names while they are working, hanging out drinking some beer and talking ****, playing handball etc. Are they racists? Are they being racist towards each other? If two Italian guys are doing the same things that I described above and they call each other derogatory names used to describe Italians, are they racists?

So you don't have a problem with "certain" people referring to their significant others using the term that is commonly derogatory towards females and used to describe a female dog that is pregnant? And, if that term was the commonly used term in my home or around "my people" you would be o.k. with it, as long as I limited it's use to "my people"?

What if the commonly used term by "my people" to refer to my girlfriend or wife was a term that is used to describe female genitals, since "my people" are using it towards eachother in an endearing fashion you would be o.k. with that?

I mean I'm just hanging out with my girl, having a few beers, and I call her a bitch you are cool with that because we are just talking with eachother, right?

[E7ALR]

That's my point!!!!

I will also add that I think that he feels that Limbaugh is a racist and that Juan was "siding" with Limbaugh, thus he basically called him a "traitor" or a "sell out".I think this is called being in a state of denial.

It's a sad thing Pheonix, but you are intelligent and I am confident that time will show you the error.

[Buffalo]

Pretty classless.

[ka2008]

I watched it... I thought it was pretty disgusting. Juan did not deserve that. No one would have deserved it~ Ever. Juan is a good guy. I may not always agree with his point of view..but I like to hear what he has to say. When I do agree with him ..then thats a big plus~ since it seems he leans more towards the left. The other guy had no right to shut him down with a comment such as it was.

At the very least I would hope he submits an apology to Juan and the O'Reilly show. If not written apology, then come back on and own up to the stupidity.

[rodlang]

Liberals can't be racist (or sexist). :wall:

Juan Williams has been subject to numerous insults from the left. He is getting the Clarence Thomas treatment from the left.

[croupier101]

The quote from the transcript:

BALLANTINE: You can go back to the porch, Juan. You can go back. It's OK.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/10/16/oreilly-guest-juan-williams-go-back-porch

That was a pretty mean thing to say to Juan, and part of the criticism he has gotten for a long time in regards to his role on Fox News.

[croupier101]

The term he was refering to is porch monkey. It is racist as they come.
To say that it was use to call another a sell out is crap, pure crap.

The term was use to extort power and control. It was use to stop Juan from speaking out and taking the side of Rush. It was used to shame Juan.

He wasnt calling him a sell out he was attempting to use race to control another.
That is what racism is. This time it is another black man , doing it to a black man

I think this man needs to have his picture right beside other slave owners

That is not even close to the term he was referring to. lol, but I gotta say, this post made me laugh.

It was a very cruel thing he said to Juan, but had absolutely zero to do with what you posted here.

[croupier101]

I took it more that he called him a good house ****** just like Uncle Tom.

correct, I agree with you.

and as much as Juan Williams makes me sick to my stomach, and is by far the person I least like to see on Fox News to the point of having the change the channel, this insult was over the line. Juan disgusts me, but this attack was below the belt and unfair.

[Mojotiger]

and as much as Juan Williams makes me sick to my stomach, and is by far the person I least like to see on Fox News to the point of having the change the channel,

Why is that? I can't say I've heard him very much, but I know who he is.

[ka2008]

correct, I agree with you.

and as much as Juan Williams makes me sick to my stomach, and is by far the person I least like to see on Fox News to the point of having the change the channel, this insult was over the line. Juan disgusts me, but this attack was below the belt and unfair.


Why does Juan disgust you? ..I think Juan leans more toward the Left than anything.

[rodlang]

correct, I agree with you.

and as much as Juan Williams makes me sick to my stomach, and is by far the person I least like to see on Fox News to the point of having the change the channel, this insult was over the line. Juan disgusts me, but this attack was below the belt and unfair.

Why the personal attack on Juan Williams? I thought liberals didn't engage in that sort of dialogue.

[croupier101]

Why is that? I can't say I've heard him very much, but I know who he is.

He spends his time on Fox apologizing for liberals and during the election he spent much of his time being asked to give the "black" viewpoint of the Obama election and many times being apologetic for it. He is the "go to" liberal, that is used by Fox News and he spends most of the time trying to distance himself or apologize for his liberalism and for his race.

Bottom line, he embarrasses me as a liberal, and so I can't watch him. I don't like anyone that attempts to speak for a race, like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton make me mad when they do it. But I think it is even worse when you apologize for it, and that makes Juan even worse.

[croupier101]

Why the personal attack on Juan Williams? I thought liberals didn't engage in that sort of dialogue.

You were under the impression that liberals couldn't be disgusted by other people? Do you live in a cave?

[Vaard]

You were under the impression that liberals couldn't be disgusted by other people? Do you live in a cave?

maybe he thought liberals had an 11th commandment like republicans do.......

[RTchoke]

do none of you own a dictionary?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist

Yeah, I do. When people like me stop getting called racist by the media idiots and others for opposing Obama's plans you can start dictating what "racist" means since their definition seems a little "off" also.

[rodlang]

You were under the impression that liberals couldn't be disgusted by other people? Do you live in a cave?

So liberals DO engage in personal attacks, thanks for the confirmation on that. Do you think that Juan Williams is the "House Negro?"

[tgx_5000]

As a person of color- I too felt the comment was loaded and inappropriate regardless of race, gender OR political party. Especially in that forum. Many people of color I know do believe Juan in some sense is a sell out…not b/c he doesn’t always take the stance supporting minorities, but b/c some of the stances he has taken is completely unbelievable. Especially coming from a man who has a PhD (and does a very good job on NPR I might add). It sometimes looks like hes doing what he needs to do to stay relevant and keep his position on Fox as the minority guest on Fox political panels.

The problem that some blacks have (and I sometimes am guilty of this) is that we forget EVERY person of color does not grow up the same way and have the same values. We all DO NOT have that silent understanding in our systems where other nationalities might not sense something wrong, but we do (i.e. black face back in the day). It’s very hard to that explain on here, but regardless, at the end the day Juan has the RIGHT to say and feel whatever he wants. He should not be called a coon or house negro for doing that. However, we can still think it and probably be perceived that way. And rightfully so unfortunately. The good thing is at least he does make some good points, and I don’t think hes as terrible as some people I know do. However, I do understand Warren's frustrations. It is UNBELIEVABLE that Juan is defending Bill's position about Rush.

What Juan and Rush are doing is using a few examples where "the left" have falsified quotes by Rush and using those false quotes as their basis as to why Rush was kicked out of an investment group to purchase an NFL team AND why players and owners AND public figures are denouncing him as a bigot. Bill then compared his quote about eating at a Restaurant in Harlem to this situation and how they are relatively the same as a controversy.

I agree that Bill's quote was taken out of context AND many people of color came to his defense b/c it was truly silly (still don't like Bill and think of him to be a huge bigot for many of the comments he has made in regards to people of color, but THAT was not worth the trouble it caused him). Truth is Rush is whole other breed bigot and has in many instances displayed that over the course of his career in media. You can take away ALL of the false examples from 'the left' made up...he still has enough other TRUE quotes against him that it makes Bill's argument insulting to even bring into question. It seriously minimizes the fact the Rush has a long history of saying many inappropriate and divisive things. Not just towards blacks, but towards other minorities. Shoot even white folks at times (he has said some terribly inappropriate things about McCain).

What bothers me the most about this...and it has bothered me since I was made aware that Rush even exists is that Rush is still able to have his own radio show. AND is scares me that it’s doing well. #1 for the past decade or so if I'm not mistaken. It scares me b/c that means there are A LOT of people who think what he thinks and likes listening to him. God Bless America I guess b/c just as we can come from nothing and become something here, just as we can criticize the government, we can also spew hate to millions of people daily. Gotta take the good with the bad.
The only good thing I can take out of it is, AT LEAST I know what my enemies are thinking about and talking about. No surprises th

[spinach]

What bothers me the most about this...and it has bothered me since I was made aware that Rush even exists is that Rush is still able to have his own radio show.

it's called freedom of speech
and capitalism

apparently you have a problem with other people having rights.
take a look in the mirror at the REALLY scary person.

[tgx_5000]

You prove my point. I have the right to say I'm scared of him polluting the air waves. That doesn't mean I think his right to talk should be taken away from him. If you read further, I also describe the irony of the rights of our great country.

I guess you take notes from Rush and Hannity when it comes to oppositiion of a conservative. Take a piece of a small statement or situation or association and twist it into something overly negative and outragous. General media does it too, but not as extreme in most cases.

[croupier101]

So liberals DO engage in personal attacks, thanks for the confirmation on that. Do you think that Juan Williams is the ****?"

That is a disgusting term, you shouldn't use that label, have some class.

[hailreagan]

As a person of color- I too felt the comment was loaded and inappropriate regardless of race, gender OR political party. Especially in that forum. Many people of color I know do believe Juan in some sense is a sell out…not b/c he doesn’t always take the stance supporting minorities, but b/c some of the stances he has taken is completely unbelievable. Especially coming from a man who has a PhD (and does a very good job on NPR I might add). It sometimes looks like hes doing what he needs to do to stay relevant and keep his position on Fox as the minority guest on Fox political panels.

The problem that some blacks have (and I sometimes am guilty of this) is that we forget EVERY person of color does not grow up the same way and have the same values. We all DO NOT have that silent understanding in our systems where other nationalities might not sense something wrong, but we do (i.e. black face back in the day). It’s very hard to that explain on here, but regardless, at the end the day Juan has the RIGHT to say and feel whatever he wants. He should not be called a coon or house negro for doing that. However, we can still think it and probably be perceived that way. And rightfully so unfortunately. The good thing is at least he does make some good points, and I don’t think hes as terrible as some people I know do. However, I do understand Warren's frustrations. It is UNBELIEVABLE that Juan is defending Bill's position about Rush.

What Juan and Rush are doing is using a few examples where "the left" have falsified quotes by Rush and using those false quotes as their basis as to why Rush was kicked out of an investment group to purchase an NFL team AND why players and owners AND public figures are denouncing him as a bigot. Bill then compared his quote about eating at a Restaurant in Harlem to this situation and how they are relatively the same as a controversy.

I agree that Bill's quote was taken out of context AND many people of color came to his defense b/c it was truly silly (still don't like Bill and think of him to be a huge bigot for many of the comments he has made in regards to people of color, but THAT was not worth the trouble it caused him). Truth is Rush is whole other breed bigot and has in many instances displayed that over the course of his career in media. You can take away ALL of the false examples from 'the left' made up...he still has enough other TRUE quotes against him that it makes Bill's argument insulting to even bring into question. It seriously minimizes the fact the Rush has a long history of saying many inappropriate and divisive things. Not just towards blacks, but towards other minorities. Shoot even white folks at times (he has said some terribly inappropriate things about McCain).

What bothers me the most about this...and it has bothered me since I was made aware that Rush even exists is that Rush is still able to have his own radio show. AND is scares me that it’s doing well. #1 for the past decade or so if I'm not mistaken. It scares me b/c that means there are A LOT of people who think what he thinks and likes listening to him. God Bless America I guess b/c just as we can come from nothing and become something here, just as we can criticize the government, we can also spew hate to millions of people daily. Gotta take the good with the bad.
The only good thing I can take out of it is, AT LEAST I know what my enemies are thinking about and talking about. No surprises th


Dude........you missed the memo. Anyone who disagrees with the left and this administration is a hater and a racist.

Rush is no different from someone spewing liberal bull.

It's called freedom.

[rodlang]

That is a disgusting term, you shouldn't use that label, have some class.

Nice dodge of the question on your part.

And I put the term in quotes so give me a break with the faux outrage.

[tgx_5000]

<< Dude........you missed the memo. Anyone who disagrees with the left and this administration is a hater and a racist.

Rush is no different from someone spewing liberal bull.

It's called freedom. >>

I agree there are extreme liberals so conservatives are racist. Both sides of the isle have their set of idiots. But your thinking too narrow on this. This thing about Rush isn't b/c hes conservative and its not about what he says about politics. It has to do with the hatefull things hes says about people as a group. The false information and divisive words he spews. Sometimes it is in the context of politics (i.e. a chunk of things hes says about Obama), sometimes its in the context of sports (NFL is like bloods and crips OR "why don't you take that bone out of your nose" to a black caller, etc.). Or even the economy. He doesn't discriminate.

Rush and others do have their right and freedom to say what the want. Thats indisputable. But its the HATE that he will have have to atone for. Maybe not in this life...but most certainly the next.

[ExDem]

<< Dude........you missed the memo. Anyone who disagrees with the left and this administration is a hater and a racist.

Rush is no different from someone spewing liberal bull.

It's called freedom. >>

I agree there are extreme liberals so conservatives are racist. Both sides of the isle have their set of idiots. But your thinking too narrow on this. This thing about Rush isn't b/c hes conservative and its not about what he says about politics. It has to do with the hatefull things hes says about people as a group. The false information and divisive words he spews. Sometimes it is in the context of politics (i.e. a chunk of things hes says about Obama), sometimes its in the context of sports (NFL is like bloods and crips OR "why don't you take that bone out of your nose" to a black caller, etc.). Or even the economy. He doesn't discriminate.

Rush and others do have their right and freedom to say what the want. Thats indisputable. But its the HATE that he will have have to atone for. Maybe not in this life...but most certainly the next.

So how do you feel about Al Sharpton and the Tawanna Browley shake down? Should Al Sharpton be allowed to have a radio show? He set up a vile hoax that caused people to lose their jobs. What about the Duke LaCrosse incident? No apology there. How do you feel about Rev Wright and is remarks about whites and the US of KKK. Do you think he should be allowed to spew racial hatred from the pew and get tax exempt status for it? How do you feel about Barrack Obama calling his own grandmother a "typical white person?" Should he be allowed to be President? What his "white man's greed" statement? How about Jesse Jackson's "Hymie Town" remark?
I could go on and on.

[Mohawk5]

He told an African American he can "go back to the porch now"?

If I said that to any of my African American associates I'd be expecting to eat my own teeth!

[croupier101]

He told an African American he can "go back to the porch now"?

If I said that to any of my African American associates I'd be expecting to eat my own teeth!

that is correct.

[Mohawk5]

Seems O'Reilly missed an excellent opportunity to call him on his hypocrisy!


Looks like we need to email him till he does!

Hit him up people. O'Reilly is always calling people out well this is a big dump right on the head of his "No spin zone"!

[Mohawk5]

Sorry I did not realize that Warren himself was an African American. That does change the context quite a bit. Still does not change the fact that the phrase is indeed a racist statement.

[Values]

Sorry I did not realize that Warren himself was an African American. That does change the context quite a bit. Still does not change the fact that the phrase is indeed a racist statement.

How does the context change?
Is it better for a black man to tell another black man "to get back on the porch" than it is for a white man to do so? Or vice versa?

[Vaard]

How does the context change?
Is it better for a black man to tell another black man "to get back on the porch" than it is for a white man to do so? Or vice versa?

i think it would be worse for a black person to say it to another blavck person........

[croupier101]

i think it would be worse for a black person to say it to another blavck person........

me too.

[E7ALR]

correct, I agree with you.

and as much as Juan Williams makes me sick to my stomach, and is by far the person I least like to see on Fox News to the point of having the change the channel, this insult was over the line. Juan disgusts me, but this attack was below the belt and unfair.Anytime anyone accuses another person of being a race traitor it is below the belt. The way someone looks is not a factor in how they must think or believe on any issue. And anyone who advocates so is a bigot.

[tom1468]

That is not even close to the term he was referring to. lol, but I gotta say, this post made me laugh.

It was a very cruel thing he said to Juan, but had absolutely zero to do with what you posted here.
As a white man living in a white neighborhood. I have heard the term a million time.
I know exactly what he was saying

As as cruel, me and you agree
It was way over the line

[Tiberious]

correct, I agree with you.

and as much as Juan Williams makes me sick to my stomach, and is by far the person I least like to see on Fox News to the point of having the change the channel, this insult was over the line. Juan disgusts me, but this attack was below the belt and unfair.

Glad to see the wool's coming off from over your eyes, Croup. This is precisely what the Dems do to anyone of a non-caucasian origin who dares to think for themselves. 2009, 1959, or even 1889, anyone from a minority background not under the Dems' thumb is to be trashed, cowed into submission, or even worse.

Face the facts. You're starting to see the liberals for who they really are, and maybe one day you'll get so fed up with it you join the party that the gentleman your signature quotes supported. We'll welcome you with open arms. :3

[croupier101]

glad to see the wool's coming off from over your eyes, croup. This is precisely what the dems do to anyone of a non-caucasian origin who dares to think for themselves. 2009, 1959, or even 1889, anyone from a minority background not under the dems' thumb is to be trashed, cowed into submission, or even worse.

Face the facts. You're starting to see the liberals for who they really are, and maybe one day you'll get so fed up with it you join the party that the gentleman your signature quotes supported. We'll welcome you with open arms. :3
:)) :)) :))