PDA

View Full Version : Conservative Author Banned from Fox News?


pseudostratified
October 14th, 2009, 7:57 pm
Larry Klayman, founder of Freedom Watch and a primary mover in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, has written a book critical of Fox News and Fox chairman, Roger Ailes.

According to a recent AOL Money article (http://money.aol.com/article/author-to-network-mr-ailes-tear-down/678903?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_bloggingstocks ):

FOX News went out of its way to insult Judicial Watch/ Freedom Watch Founder Larry Klayman whose next appearance on the network just might be when hell freezes over, apparently due to criticism of FOX TV chairman Roger Ailes in Klayman's new book, "Whores (http://www.amazon.com/WHORES-Why-Came-Fight-Establishment/dp/0979201225)."

That seemed to be the message when a top FOX producer, apparently at Ailes' direction, returned a review copy to the publisher's publicity firm in Boca Raton, Florida marked "return to sender."

"Because this was such a hypocritical act from a news network, I'm going to frame the partially opened package returned to TransMedia Group," Klayman said. The firm represents New Chapter Publisher in Sarasota, Florida.

"This is a reminder the First Amendment does not apply in some sectors of the media," Klayman said.

"Here's the leading cable news network that cries foul when President Obama avoids it, yet thinks nothing of blackballing a critic and won't even look at a book from an author it dislikes.

"Mr. Ailes, tear down this wall of hypocrisy. You have no problem criticizing MSNBC and CNN, so why can't I, a conservative to boot, criticize you and your network?"

Vaard
October 14th, 2009, 7:58 pm
"thats different"

MarkyS
October 14th, 2009, 9:28 pm
Larry Klayman, founder of Freedom Watch and a primary mover in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, has written a book critical of Fox News and Fox chairman, Roger Ailes.

According to a recent AOL Money article (http://money.aol.com/article/author-to-network-mr-ailes-tear-down/678903?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_bloggingstocks ):



He's a moron. The First Amendment restricts government from stifling free speech, among other things. It does not give a private individual the right to require access to a private business. Fox has absolutely no obligation to give him a pulpit from which to spew what they consider slander about Ailes.

He will be prominently displayed on MSNBC anyway. He's a moronic grand-stander trying to sell a book.

M

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 12:31 pm
More from the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/14/larry-klayman-conservativ_n_321080.html) article:

Describing his decision to take on the case of Scott Tooley, a congressional aide convinced that he was on a terrorist watch list and that his phone was being wiretapped by the government, Klayman engages in the usual hyperbole:

"The Tooley case, which continues to this day, went directly to abuses of power -- this time, by an administration that colored itself conservative but too often behaved as if the Constitution is an inconvenience to be sidestepped or even ignored.... Bush and Cheney did more to pave the way for Obama's push toward socialism than Marx, Lenin, Stalin and Mao Tse-tung could have ever dreamed or hoped for."

Klayman says that he met with Senator John McCain in 1997 to discuss allegations that the Clinton administration was illegally soliciting campaign contributions in exchange for seats on trade missions. Asked why the congressional hearings into the matter had ended in failure, McCain admitted that it was because both political parties had checkmated each other, telling Klayman: "Yes, my party is involved as well in the illegal fund raising. It's a disgrace."

Klayman reserves particular venom for former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, whom he targeted by filing complaints with the House Ethics Committee. When he ran into former GOP Congressman Bob Barr (R-Ga.) at a hearing and asked the conservative lawmaker what he thought about DeLay, Barr laughed: "He's a crook but he's our crook!"

This guy sounds like a classic Tea Partier. So why does Fox blacklist him?

Mojotiger
October 15th, 2009, 12:34 pm
I didn't see anything saying he's been banned as your title suggests.

WildRose
October 15th, 2009, 12:39 pm
"This is a reminder the First Amendment does not apply in some sectors of the media," Klayman said.The First guarantees you the right to voice your opinion. It does not guarantee anyone the right to be heard.

No one is under the obligation to print or air his thoughts. The Federal Goverment is simply forbidden to suppress them.

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 12:45 pm
I didn't see anything saying he's been banned as your title suggests.

The title is just asking a question. You know, like "did John McCain father a black child?" :)

Thanatos144
October 15th, 2009, 12:45 pm
Epic fail please try again at another time.

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 12:47 pm
The First guarantees you the right to voice your opinion. It does not guarantee anyone the right to be heard.

No one is under the obligation to print or air his thoughts. The Federal Goverment is simply forbidden to suppress them.

Understood. This is not a constitutional question, but rather one of integrity. If Fox News is really "fair and balanced", shouldn't they pride themselves on airing the opinions of their detractors? Especially ones that are of the same ideological bend?

CanadianJudo
October 15th, 2009, 12:49 pm
Understood. This is not a constitutional question, but rather one of integrity. If Fox News is really "fair and balanced", shouldn't they pride themselves on airing the opinions of their detractors? Especially ones that are of the same ideological bend?


there is not such thing as fair and balanced,

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 12:52 pm
He's a moron. The First Amendment restricts government from stifling free speech, among other things. It does not give a private individual the right to require access to a private business. Fox has absolutely no obligation to give him a pulpit from which to spew what they consider slander about Ailes.

He will be prominently displayed on MSNBC anyway. He's a moronic grand-stander trying to sell a book.

M

By the way - did you know that the quote in your signature is a hoax? Obama never said it (see http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp or http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_urge_supporters_to_help_him.html or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-quote.htm).

Surely it's your right to put whatever you want in your signature, but you should at least be aware that it's a lie.

LouC
October 15th, 2009, 1:07 pm
Larry Klayman, founder of Freedom Watch and a primary mover in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, has written a book critical of Fox News and Fox chairman, Roger Ailes...

So?

WildRose
October 15th, 2009, 1:54 pm
Understood. This is not a constitutional question, but rather one of integrity. If Fox News is really "fair and balanced", shouldn't they pride themselves on airing the opinions of their detractors? Especially ones that are of the same ideological bend?Do you ever watch Fox News? My God man they have their detractors on every day.

Feel free to Tune into PMSNBC and CNN I'm sure you'll be happier with the "balance".:rolleyes:

jmb6
October 15th, 2009, 2:03 pm
By the way - did you know that the quote in your signature is a hoax? Obama never said it (see http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp or http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_urge_supporters_to_help_him.html or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-quote.htm).

Surely it's your right to put whatever you want in your signature, but you should at least be aware that it's a lie.

I don't think it is a lie, but, it certainly is deceptive.

More appropriate would be...

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change [what I have been talking about, not the country].

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 2:04 pm
I thought this was interesting (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/14/larry-klayman-conservativ_n_321080.html) too...

Klayman proudly recalls the night the "vast right-wing conspiracy... was born." He and fellow conservatives -- including Paul Weyrich, Phyllis Schafly and the NRA's Wayne LaPierre -- met in a room near the Council for National Policy conference in Charleston, South Carolina in 1998. "We voted to remove the 42nd president of the United States by whatever legal and ethical means were necessary," he said.

But Klayman disparages Republicans who attacked Clinton for demonstrating a double standard when it came to the Bush administration. Calling the leaking of outed CIA agent Valerie Plame's name "indefensible," Klayman says of the GOP: "Their hypocritical silence was deafening. For both Democrats and Republicans, politics too often trumps national security and the best interests of the American people."

In an odd bit of convenient amnesia regarding his own role in stirring up Whitewater, Klayman knocks Republicans for pursuing Clinton scandals and ignoring the looming threat of Islamic terrorism. "Years later, it would become clear how damaging to the country this strategy was," he writes. "By leaving Bill Clinton in office, preoccupying him with a sex scandal and diverting attention away from the growing threat of bin Laden, Al Qaeda and terrorism in general, the Republican leadership laid the foundation for a serious cancer to grow -- one that ultimately metastasized into September 11, 2001."

So he not only acknowledges the "vast right wing conspiracy" and his role in it, but points to it as a contributing factor to the attacks on 9/11! Wow - sure sounds like he'd be an interesting interview!

Mojotiger
October 15th, 2009, 2:16 pm
So he not only acknowledges the "vast right wing conspiracy" and his role in it, but points to it as a contributing factor to the attacks on 9/11! Wow - sure sounds like he'd be an interesting interview!

Sounds like you have a new hero! Congrats!

pattyk
October 15th, 2009, 2:35 pm
By the way - did you know that the quote in your signature is a hoax? Obama never said it (see http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp or http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_urge_supporters_to_help_him.html or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-quote.htm).

Surely it's your right to put whatever you want in your signature, but you should at least be aware that it's a lie.

not a lie. I heard him say it. more than once

TheModerateOne
October 15th, 2009, 2:40 pm
Oh God, I thought the unhinged FNC threads died off a couple of years ago.

Thanatos144
October 15th, 2009, 2:41 pm
Who says he is conservative?

LouC
October 15th, 2009, 3:01 pm
not a lie. I heard him say it. more than once

That sig line quote was not spoken by President Obama.

"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." -- Barack Obama [Fake Quote]

Along with all the predictable moans and groans of disapprobation, I actually found one Obama supporter attempting to defend the statement. Trouble is, Obama said no such thing.

It's a spoof, originally posted on Mark Steyn's blog on NationalReview.com. What's more, Obama wasn't even its intended target -- John McCain was. To quote Mr. Steyn's January 28, 2008 posting:

Three weeks ago, after New Hampshire, when Hill and McCain and the gang were all bragging about being "agents of change," a (non-U.S.) correspondent of mine emailed me his all-purpose stump speech for this primary season:

My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.

Click LINK (http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2008/03/11/quoth-obama.htm)

That is a foul, in my opinion, as the people against Rush using the fake quotes that blogger created.

I have pointed this out to others here before.

President Obama has made plenty of real quotes that can be used to illustrate the sentiment that are in his own words.

After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. -- Barack Obama Columbia Missouri October 30th 2008

If you will stand with me, and fight by my side, and cast your ballot for me, then I promise you this - we will not just win Florida, we will not just win this election, but together, we will change this country and we will change the world. Thank you, God bless you, and may God bless America. -- Barack Obama October 30th 2008 Sarasota Florida

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 3:13 pm
not a lie. I heard him say it. more than once

Check the links. There is no record of him ever saying that. And the origin of the quote was a joke about McCain, not Obama.

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 3:20 pm
Who says he is conservative?

Kinda sounds (http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/12/larry-klayman-socialist-slayer.html) like it:

Solo lawyer and anti-corruption crusader Larry Klayman is soliciting donations for his newest enterprise, Freedom Watch, an organization committed to frustrating the agenda of President-elect Barack Obama and his band of “socialist ultra leftist revolutionaries."

Thanatos144
October 15th, 2009, 3:24 pm
Kinda sounds (http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2008/12/larry-klayman-socialist-slayer.html) like it:

I can sound like a bird so what?

pseudostratified
October 15th, 2009, 3:32 pm
I can sound like a bird so what?

Read the link.

Thanatos144
October 15th, 2009, 3:37 pm
Read the link.

I did

MarkyS
October 15th, 2009, 6:18 pm
By the way - did you know that the quote in your signature is a hoax? Obama never said it (see http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/change.asp or http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_urge_supporters_to_help_him.html or http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-quote.htm).

Surely it's your right to put whatever you want in your signature, but you should at least be aware that it's a lie.

I'm well aware that Obama never said it, but I take great delight in pointing out that this is his position anyway. It is the position of virtually all liberals running for office.

M

ModerateVoice
October 15th, 2009, 6:27 pm
I'm well aware that Obama never said it, but I take great delight in pointing out that this is his position anyway. It is the position of virtually all liberals running for office.

M

It appears your point was lost in responding to the poster --- they were already banned.

freemind
October 15th, 2009, 6:36 pm
I can sound like a bird so what?

Larry Klayman is definitely a conservative. He admits as much.

About his group Judicial Watch:

"Judicial Watch, Inc., a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation, promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law. Through its educational endeavors, Judicial Watch advocates high standards of ethics and morality in our nation's public life and seeks to ensure that political and judicial officials do not abuse the powers entrusted to them by the American people. Judicial Watch fulfills its educational mission through litigation, investigations, and public outreach. "

Judicial Watch has done a lot good things regarding government abuse especially in the area of eminent domain.

NCRedState
October 15th, 2009, 6:38 pm
Understood. This is not a constitutional question, but rather one of integrity. If Fox News is really "fair and balanced", shouldn't they pride themselves on airing the opinions of their detractors? Especially ones that are of the same ideological bend?

You won't reply right away, but, why should they help him sell his book?

TCUFan
October 15th, 2009, 6:42 pm
Klayman's a bit of a loon.

TCUFan

MarkyS
October 15th, 2009, 6:53 pm
That sig line quote was not spoken by President Obama.



That is a foul, in my opinion, as the people against Rush using the fake quotes that blogger created.

I have pointed this out to others here before.

President Obama has made plenty of real quotes that can be used to illustrate the sentiment that are in his own words.

Sorry, Lou, but it's no more a foul than a spoof which tries to claim that Sarah Palin said, "...and I can see Russia from my house!"

In fact much less so, since this is actually what he implied on the stump, time and time again. Again, is a fav of liberal politicians everywhere. I just like to point that out. I enjoy pointing that out. It gives me goosebumps, so I really don't care if he actually said it. It is a spoof of him, and a fairly accurate spoof of him, to boot.

In any case, everyone on these boards has heard long ago that it is not a direct quote, and I have freely admitted as much.

Don't look for it to disappear.;)

M

dad49er
October 15th, 2009, 7:25 pm
Understood. This is not a constitutional question, but rather one of integrity. If Fox News is really "fair and balanced", shouldn't they pride themselves on airing the opinions of their detractors? Especially ones that are of the same ideological bend?

In defence of FOX,
(I can't believe I'm doing this)
that would be pretty difficult to do when they are being attacked.

MarkyS
October 15th, 2009, 7:29 pm
In defence of FOX,
(I can't believe I'm doing this)
that would be pretty difficult to do when they are being attacked.

C'mon, Dad. You know that didn't hurt.

M

dad49er
October 15th, 2009, 7:51 pm
C'mon, Dad. You know that didn't hurt.

M

Not much.
I enjoy FOX News Sunday too.