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See It Clearly
October 14th, 2009, 6:43 pm
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands everyone know it & tries to legislate legitimacy.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders what government program is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it’s a foreign religion, especially islam, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his thru the government.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he’ll share it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will ignore it because he’s “offended”.



Thanks Kate

Getty Girl
October 14th, 2009, 6:47 pm
*kicking back with popcorn waiting for fireworks to begin*

PhantomPholly
October 14th, 2009, 6:47 pm
A Conservative believes in everyone's right to do what they want, even if they don't like it.

A Liberal believes in the majoritys' "right" to decide everything for everyone else.


It is a simple dichotomy between those who believe in Freedom, and those who (perhaps unwittingly) believe in Slavery.

Sceptic
October 14th, 2009, 8:29 pm
What a load of absolute drivel.

Still, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your own shortcomings, then just go on repeating it.

angelicmadrigal
October 14th, 2009, 9:04 pm
Moderates do the RIGHT thing.

See It Clearly
October 15th, 2009, 10:10 am
What a load of absolute drivel.

Still, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your own shortcomings, then just go on repeating it.

:((:((

Ooops, looks like someone is "offended".

Anyway, I'll enjoy a bean sprout sandwich with you if it will make you feel better.

Buffalo
October 15th, 2009, 10:26 am
Libs suck, Cons rule. Hope your day is a little better now that you got that off your chest.

BillBrown
October 15th, 2009, 10:32 am
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands everyone know it & tries to legislate legitimacy.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders what government program is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it’s a foreign religion, especially islam, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his thru the government.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he’ll share it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will ignore it because he’s “offended”.



Thanks Kate


Unfortunately, there is another side to it.
If conservatives don't like socialism, they nominate and vote for McCain or Bush- the next best thing.
This is the spoiler.

Vic Daring
October 15th, 2009, 12:39 pm
:((:((

Ooops, looks like someone is "offended".

Anyway, I'll enjoy a bean sprout sandwich with you if it will make you feel better.

Or maybe he just thought your list is dumb.

'Cause it is.

MattieV
October 15th, 2009, 12:54 pm
:dance::dance::dance:What a great list. Truth is a beautiful thing! :flag:

See It Clearly
October 15th, 2009, 6:30 pm
Plenty of bean sprout sandwiches to go around.

ChaosControl
October 15th, 2009, 6:35 pm
According to this list I must be a conservative. :)

Clintville
October 15th, 2009, 7:22 pm
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

Who does that?

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

No, they just don't want to invade a country that has nothing to with those that actually attacked us.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands everyone know it & tries to legislate legitimacy.

They do want to be treated equally.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

Yes, most minorities are quite pathetic, aren't they? :rolleyes:

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

Who does this?

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

They do want separation of church and state. School prayer is kind of unconstitutional and pointless. You may disagree, but you also may be a theocrat.

(Unless it’s a foreign religion, especially islam, of course!)

Right, because conservatives would totally tolerate reading the Qu'ran in school or praying to Allah.

And who has given special status to Muslims?

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.

This is an American stereotype. And it is probably pretty sue, our people do sue quite often.

See It Clearly
October 15th, 2009, 9:41 pm
Plenty of bean sprout sandwiches left. Anymore whiney libs want to get in on lunch?

Mobulis
October 15th, 2009, 9:53 pm
Plenty of bean sprout sandwiches left. Anymore whiney libs want to get in on lunch?


So anyone who says anything negative about this thread you proclaim is a whiny lib.:rolleyes:

See It Clearly
October 15th, 2009, 9:59 pm
So anyone who says anything negative about this thread you proclaim is a whiny lib.:rolleyes:

Actually, no, you just did. :rolleyes:

Do you want a bean sprout sandwich?

Mobulis
October 16th, 2009, 4:35 am
Actually, no, you just did. :rolleyes:

Do you want a bean sprout sandwich?


Point proven.

JDGreen
October 16th, 2009, 5:33 am
That sums it up nicely... For the most part, conservatives are for freedom and personal responsibility... Liberals need affirmation of their choices by trying to impose their ideology onto the rest of society..
I eat meat.. If someone else doesn't, I could care less..
I'm a Christian.. If someone else is a non-believer, that is their business as long as they're aware of the choice..
I'm straight.. If someone is attracted to the same sex, it's none of my business.. Marry them, I don't care, just don't make me redefine my beliefs on what is a legimate union in the eyes of the state.. I personally don't think the government should be involved in the institute of marriage..
I am a gun owner.. I believe that the 2nd Amendment should be the only concealed carry permit a citizen needs... However, the laws of my state require me to apply and be accepted for concealed carry and I have complied.. I've packed for 13 years and have never robbed a bank, robbed a citizen at gunpoint or accidentally shot someone.. I do so for personal protection.. I also carry for societal purposes.. If I see a violent crime happening I will not hesitate to use my weapon to defend an innocent person.. That has never happened, but I'm well prepared if it does..
Point is, I believe in the God given freedoms as written in the Constitution... Most liberals or progressives, or whatever they call themselves, do not....

Wookinstien
October 16th, 2009, 8:13 am
Plenty of bean sprout sandwiches to go around.

How about a tofu dog?
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/Wookinstien/captain_kirk.gif

ExDem
October 16th, 2009, 8:20 am
Dead on accurate. It is a control thing. Not uncommon. Folks that have out of control lives, try to control the lives of others because the cannot or choose not to control themselves.

drylok
October 16th, 2009, 9:06 am
That sums it up nicely... For the most part, conservatives are for freedom and personal responsibility... Liberals need affirmation of their choices by trying to impose their ideology onto the rest of society..
I eat meat.. If someone else doesn't, I could care less..
I'm a Christian.. If someone else is a non-believer, that is their business as long as they're aware of the choice..
I'm straight.. If someone is attracted to the same sex, it's none of my business.. Marry them, I don't care, just don't make me redefine my beliefs on what is a legimate union in the eyes of the state.. I personally don't think the government should be involved in the institute of marriage..
I am a gun owner.. I believe that the 2nd Amendment should be the only concealed carry permit a citizen needs... However, the laws of my state require me to apply and be accepted for concealed carry and I have complied.. I've packed for 13 years and have never robbed a bank, robbed a citizen at gunpoint or accidentally shot someone.. I do so for personal protection.. I also carry for societal purposes.. If I see a violent crime happening I will not hesitate to use my weapon to defend an innocent person.. That has never happened, but I'm well prepared if it does..
Point is, I believe in the God given freedoms as written in the Constitution... Most liberals or progressives, or whatever they call themselves, do not....

This pretty well sums it up for me, except I live in the only state in the country where the right to bear arms is completely denied, but I deny thier denial (thank God it's getting cold enough to wear a coat ha) However when I am in one of the 18 states that acknowledges the PA permit, I am legal beagal.

See It Clearly
October 16th, 2009, 9:48 am
How about a tofu dog?
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/Wookinstien/captain_kirk.gif

:))

It's not on the list but we must be sensitive not to "offend". You know, the term dog may hurt some animal lover's feelings.

Dr. Funkenstein
October 16th, 2009, 10:02 am
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

Good...I'm not a liberal then. I don't like guns, so I just don't buy one.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.

Ironically, my wife (big liberal) was a vegetarian until her thyroid demanded she stop eating soy, and I never heard her call for a meat ban.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

Good to know the talking points are still getting to their intended targets.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands everyone know it & tries to legislate legitimacy.

Correction...

If a conservative is homosexual, he votes down anything that might make gays equal

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

You're right...conservatives never see themselves as victims ;)

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders what government program is going to take care of him.

Yep...conservatives never accept unemployment or any welfare program.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

Good...still not a liberal.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it’s a foreign religion, especially islam, of course!)

I keep forgetting that liberals want to burn down churches and execute ministers. I'll have to borrow my wife's handbook to get caught up.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his thru the government.

I keep forgetting that liberals don't work.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he’s in labor and then sues.

Frivolous lawsuits are not the domain of any political philosophy.

If a conservative reads this, he’ll share it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will ignore it because he’s “offended”.

And if you're a snarky libertarian, you'll break it apart piece by piece and kill it.

Vic Daring
October 16th, 2009, 10:06 am
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Dr. Funkenstein
October 16th, 2009, 10:11 am
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PhantomPholly
October 16th, 2009, 2:59 pm
What a load of absolute drivel.

Still, if it makes you feel better about yourself and your own shortcomings, then just go on repeating it.

That's it - use an emotional personal attack instead of addressing the issues.

You are learning well from the anointed one...

:))

Residential Bob
October 16th, 2009, 3:13 pm
A Conservative believes in everyone's right to do what they want, even if they don't like it.

A Liberal believes in the majoritys' "right" to decide everything for everyone else.


It is a simple dichotomy between those who believe in Freedom, and those who (perhaps unwittingly) believe in Slavery.Hence liberals tout democracy rather than republicanism. Deny rights of the minority to own their own property. Take from the rich and give to the poor.

Liberals are socialists. But lately, the label is becoming a badge of honor.

Clintville
October 16th, 2009, 6:52 pm
Point is, I believe in the God given freedoms as written in the Constitution... Most liberals or progressives, or whatever they call themselves, do not....
No where in your paragraph did you make that point.

Clintville
October 16th, 2009, 6:57 pm
Hence liberals tout democracy rather than republicanism. Deny rights of the minority to own their own property. Take from the rich and give to the poor.
I didn't know Proposition 8 in California was supported by liberals. Or does it work opposite from them or something?

Clintville
October 16th, 2009, 6:58 pm
That's it - use an emotional personal attack instead of addressing the issues.

You are learning well from the anointed one...

:))
So far, no one has addressed any of the counterarguments... except with personal attacks.

ChaosControl
October 16th, 2009, 7:00 pm
Dr. Funkenstein, did she stop being vegetarian because of the soy issue?
I don't really understand.

Fitz
October 16th, 2009, 7:53 pm
*yawn*
boring troll, this has already been played out plenty of times

Residential Bob
October 17th, 2009, 1:21 am
I didn't know Proposition 8 in California was supported by liberals. Or does it work opposite from them or something?Are you addressing my post? You quoted me.

Clintville
October 17th, 2009, 1:37 am
Are you addressing my post? You quoted me.
That was a conservative majority taking away the rights of a minority. You implied liberals were the ones that were against minority rights and republicanism.

Residential Bob
October 17th, 2009, 1:40 am
That was a conservative majority taking away the rights of a minority. You implied liberals were the ones that were against minority rights and republicanism.What was a conservative majority taking away rights of the minority?

I didn't imply that liberals disapproved of minority rights. I stated it explicitly.

Antrel
October 17th, 2009, 3:54 am
Conservatives like to falsely believe they're so different from the liberals.
Liberals seem unashamed by their politics.

Stantz
October 17th, 2009, 5:08 am
If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands everyone know it & tries to legislate legitimacy.
let me fix that for you real quick.
If a conservative is homosexual he represses his urges for years , until he ends up in a Minnesota airport restroom making odd foot gestures under a stall at another man.
If a liberal is homosexual, he probably ends up cutting your wife's hair

JediMindTrick
October 17th, 2009, 5:39 am
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn`t buy one.
If a liberal doesn’t like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

You mean like when Obama expanded gun rights earlier this year.


If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

So increasing the amount of troops in Afghanistan is surrendering? And its certainly far better than attacking the middle east country that was least involved with 9/11 as Bush did.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberal is homosexual, he demands everyone know it & tries to legislate legitimacy.

Actually conservative homosexuals pretend to be straight while hanging out in parks and airport restrooms looking for a quickie with another conservative.

If a black man or Hispanic are conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

Actually most minority conservatives of political note took full advantage of handouts like affirmative action but then want to deny it to others. I'm actually anti affirmative action but your statement isn't correct.


If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

Actually what conservatives do when they don't like something on TV is try to get it banned or at the very least drive all its advertisers away. For example, The Parents Television Council is headed by ultra conservative buffoon Brent Bozell.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced.
(Unless it’s a foreign religion, especially islam, of course!)

Problem is that conservative believers try to force their religion down non believers throats. I don't care what you worship or how you do it so long as you don't try to force me to participate.

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his thru the government.

The conservative when he finds that job that gives him healthcare fails to realize that the employer offers it because liberals and unions pushed them to do it.

Clintville
October 17th, 2009, 2:59 pm
What was a conservative majority taking away rights of the minority?

The rights of gays to marry.

I don't think liberals were the ones pushing for it.

PhantomPholly
October 18th, 2009, 10:39 pm
So far, no one has addressed any of the counterarguments... except with personal attacks.

I can understand why. Having successfully transformed this nation from a Republic to a Democracy, and having finally realized that the poor will always outnumber the rich, our country is in its death throes.

PhantomPholly
October 18th, 2009, 10:49 pm
Conservatives like to falsely believe they're so different from the liberals.

Liberals like to believe that Conservatives are secretly just like them. It's an irrational rationalization of their irrational beliefs.

Liberals seem unashamed by their politics.

Liberals seem unashamed by anything.

PhantomPholly
October 18th, 2009, 10:52 pm
The conservative when he finds that job that gives him healthcare fails to realize that the employer offers it because liberals and unions pushed them to do it.

You mean like WalMart, which offers better benefits than similar Union stores?

:rolleyes:

Taking credit on behalf of Liberals for the natural tendency of competition to require employers to offer benefits displays a profound lack of understanding of the Free Market.

Clintville
October 19th, 2009, 12:19 am
I can understand why. Having successfully transformed this nation from a Republic to a Democracy, and having finally realized that the poor will always outnumber the rich, our country is in its death throes.
How was that an answer to my post? What does this have to do with no one countering?

And how has America become a true democracy? How do we not have a representative democracy? I say "true democracy" because we are both a republic and a democracy.

snagswolf
October 19th, 2009, 9:16 am
The rights of gays to marry.

I don't think liberals were the ones pushing for it.
Gays do have the right to marry.

Or do you mean the right to force society to sanction their marriage, through government?

Clintville
October 19th, 2009, 11:38 pm
Gays do have the right to marry.

Or do you mean the right to force society to sanction their marriage, through government?
No, they don't have the right to marry.

Not that that is really relevant. I was talking about the Conservative taking away a constitutional right through a majority vote, something someone said was a "liberal" thing to do.

Residential Bob
October 20th, 2009, 1:20 am
The rights of gays to marry.

I don't think liberals were the ones pushing for it.No one has a right to marry. Why do gays think that they do?

Clintville
October 20th, 2009, 9:01 pm
No one has a right to marry. Why do gays think that they do?
Yes people do. And until a conservative majority got rid of it, so did gays in California.

Spaceman Spiff
October 20th, 2009, 10:12 pm
If a liberal finds porn offensive he just doesn't buy it.

If a conservative finds porn offensive he wants to ban it everywhere.

nortman
October 21st, 2009, 7:04 am
:((:((

Ooops, looks like someone is "offended".

Anyway, I'll enjoy a bean sprout sandwich with you if it will make you feel better.You have erred. Beer makes things all better now, not bean sprout sandwiches. You need to have a beer summit with the offended one.

nortman
October 21st, 2009, 7:05 am
Plenty of bean sprout sandwiches to go around.

See my previous post in this thread.

nortman
October 21st, 2009, 7:07 am
How about a tofu dog?
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj241/Wookinstien/captain_kirk.gif
:))

nortman
October 21st, 2009, 7:12 am
let me fix that for you real quick.
If a conservative is homosexual he represses his urges for years , until he ends up in a Minnesota airport restroom making odd foot gestures under a stall at another man.
If a liberal is homosexual, he probably ends up cutting your wife's hair
Hmm, claiming that male stylists (is that the proper term du jour?) are gay? Are we an occupationist?

King Cantona
October 21st, 2009, 11:44 am
Hmm, claiming that male stylists (is that the proper term du jour?) are gay? Are we an occupationist?

I don't believe he said that ALL male hair stylists are gay....

Are you a stereotypist.....;)......

PhantomPholly
October 21st, 2009, 5:16 pm
How was that an answer to my post? What does this have to do with no one countering?

Had to go back and re-read the entire thread to make any sense at all out of your post.

It was not a direct answer, it was the final answer.

No one countered your unsupportable statements because they were, well, unsupportable.

And how has America become a true democracy?

Every single person is allowed a vote, regardless of their ability to understand the issues or participate in paying the taxes to be spent by our government. This is in direct contradiction to the concept of the Founding Fathers, wherein those contributing to the governments' coffers determined who would be elected to see that those monies were spent responsibly, and within the limits set by the Constitution.

How do we not have a representative democracy?

We do have a representative DEMOCRACY. The Founding Fathers were clear in their warnings and admonishments against such an abomination. It is little more than mob rule, where the stupid and unproductive are used as tools to subjugate the productive.

I say "true democracy" because we are both a republic and a democracy.

No, we are now simply a Democracy, with some shreds of protection from our Constitution quickly being eroded by our elected "Representatives."

It is sad that you, and so many others, learn so little of our Constitution that you do not know the difference, nor the inevitable consequences of our country's current direction.

PhantomPholly
October 21st, 2009, 5:18 pm
No, they don't have the right to marry.

Getting married is not a "right." If it were, the unmarried could demand a partner.

Not that that is really relevant. I was talking about the Conservative taking away a constitutional right through a majority vote, something someone said was a "liberal" thing to do.

Since it isn't a right, it wasn't taken away.

Again you demonstrate the ignorance of our government created by a Liberal school system meant to destroy the freedoms you fail to appreciate.

Dr. Funkenstein
October 21st, 2009, 5:21 pm
Dr. Funkenstein, did she stop being vegetarian because of the soy issue?
I don't really understand.
She did, although her doctor also suggested that she get real animal protein as well. I don't really remember the medical details of it, but I specifically recall her saying that the soy was a serious issue.

Clintville
October 21st, 2009, 7:31 pm
No one countered your unsupportable statements because they were, well, unsupportable.

Yes they were. Mostly it was just me accusing the OP's claims of being unsupportable, and most of them are not.


Every single person is allowed a vote, regardless of their ability to understand the issues or participate in paying the taxes to be spent by our government. This is in direct contradiction to the concept of the Founding Fathers, wherein those contributing to the governments' coffers determined who would be elected to see that those monies were spent responsibly, and within the limits set by the Constitution.

Understanding issues was never a requirement for voting. In fact, it was up to the states, not the federal government who got to vote, and the founding fathers for the most part (not all of them) only wanted land owning white males to vote (which I assume you think is pretty bad).

And who is allowed to not pay taxes?


We do have a representative DEMOCRACY. The Founding Fathers were clear in their warnings and admonishments against such an abomination. It is little more than mob rule, where the stupid and unproductive are used as tools to subjugate the productive.

And we have always had a representative democracy.

Clintville
October 21st, 2009, 7:39 pm
Getting married is not a "right." If it were, the unmarried could demand a partner.

:rolleyes:The right of the ability to get married. There, is that good enough for you? You know what I meant. And the in California, it is a right. And it is in other states as well. Not by your strict interpretation, but anyone with common sense would understand what it meant by it.

So yes, a conservative majority took away the rights of the minority. It was the evil liberals that were against direct democracy in this case.



Again you demonstrate the ignorance of our government created by a Liberal school system meant to destroy the freedoms you fail to appreciate.
What? That doesn't even make sense. What freedoms?

snagswolf
October 23rd, 2009, 10:47 am
No, they don't have the right to marry.
Of course they do. Many gays get married every day. They find a pastor who will marry them, take their vows, and live as a couple.

The only thing that's different is that the state doesn't sanction it.

Not that that is really relevant. I was talking about the Conservative taking away a constitutional right through a majority vote, something someone said was a "liberal" thing to do.
There was no constitutional right taken away.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that gay marriage is not a constitutional right.

Vic Daring
October 23rd, 2009, 12:38 pm
Equal protection under the law is, in fact, a Constitutional right.

PhantomPholly
October 23rd, 2009, 4:05 pm
Yes they were. Mostly it was just me accusing the OP's claims of being unsupportable, and most of them are not.

I cannot help it that you believe that, and I am happy to have served in our armed services to defend your right to remain misinformed.

:D

Understanding issues was never a requirement for voting. In fact, it was up to the states, not the federal government who got to vote, and the founding fathers for the most part (not all of them) only wanted land owning white males to vote (which I assume you think is pretty bad).

It is by todays' standards, which is a change for the better. Understanding WAS a requirement for voting. Being White was NOT, unless a State had laws to that effect. In this you again display the ignorance of our Constitution typical of todays' public-school "educated" persons. Understanding of basic economics, and what it took to run a successful business, was considered the test of knowledge of "what was important in the world" - because without those you would not long hold land (it would be foreclosed for inability to pay the taxes).

Bringing up that only "white males" could own land is simply ignorant. Black landowners could also vote, and did unless the States passed laws to prevent such or other arbitrary obstacles. Slavery was completely acceptable for 5,000 years of recorded human history - to judge people of generations past by today's standards is pointless. Women had been oppressed for all of human history - it was a different time, and the culture of that time did not accept them as having the same rights as men. Again, it is pointless. Yet despite that, the Founding Fathers worded their document in such a way as to allow them equal rights once that became accepted practice - which displayed incredible foresight.

And who is allowed to not pay taxes?

Anyone without personal income or investments, and many with income. Our Federal Income Tax system has created additional Welfare Payments to those in the lowest income brackets, such that they RECEIVE more in a so-called "Earned Income Credit" than they pay in Federal Taxes. They are NOT taxpayers, but rather welfare recipients.

And we have always had a representative democracy.

Perhaps in your short and misinformed lifetime. But per our Constitution it was meant to be a representative REPUBLIC. That is enough information for you to look these things up on Wikipedia or some such, but you do not seem eager to go learn the truth about these things for yourself so I will not educate you further.