No suprise: union opposses Rush's potential NFL bid

[bbt630]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4551010

But sport in America is at its best when it unifies, gives all of us reason to cheer, and when it transcends. Our sport does exactly that when it overcomes division and rejects discrimination and hatred.

More who have bought into this perverted definition of 'hatred'.

Ironic viewpoint coming from within a league which has one of the most divisive and hateful political commentators as a host of it's Sunday night prime time broadcast.

[JediMindTrick]

Fair or not, Rush did not come off well in the whole Donovan McNabb thing. So its really no surprise that in a league thats 66% black that this would happen.

[Tulsa]

The NFLPA needs to focus on their bargaining agreement with the NFL and quit worrying about who's writing the paychecks of the players.

[LouC]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4551010



More who have bought into this perverted definition of 'hatred'.

Ironic viewpoint coming from within a league which has one of the most divisive and hateful political commentators as a host of it's Sunday night prime time broadcast.

What a bunch of whiners.

[LouC]

Fair or not, Rush did not come off well in the whole Donovan McNabb thing. So its really no surprise that in a league thats 66% black that this would happen.

That is what happens when the wrong person speaks truth to power.

[jeepers]

OMG, go ahead and buy the Rams...But THE RAMS?

My God, they suck royal rocks. Would he want the team because it would be a bargain? An attempt to turn them around? Even people in STL think that the Rams are terrible.

I think that if any of the Rams team players have issue with this, I would tell them to shut up and worry about doing their job, which would be to play better.

[StoneScratcher]

Rush is brilliant.

Gotta admire him for that. No matter the outcome, he wins.

[MrShotShot]

Thank God those poor poor players have a union.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Didn't Rush say...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

[AutoRacer55]

OMG, go ahead and buy the Rams...But THE RAMS?

My God, they suck royal rocks. Would he want the team because it would be a bargain? An attempt to turn them around? Even people in STL think that the Rams are terrible.

I think that if any of the Rams team players have issue with this, I would tell them to shut up and worry about doing their job, which would be to play better.

Early in the decade they were ok. They even won a super bowl and lost one.

[JediMindTrick]

That is what happens when the wrong person speaks truth to power.

Unfortunately this isn't a debate I can have with you on this board since Rush is protected.

[gb2004]

Fair or not, Rush did not come off well in the whole Donovan McNabb thing. So its really no surprise that in a league thats 66% black that this would happen.

That Donavan McNabb thing was blown entirely out of proportion. Rush isn't going to get a fair shake in the MSM, and unfortunately, a lot of people base their opinions of him on that, rather than reality.

[Nevarwinter]

Didn't Rush say...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

I don't know if he did say it since there was no link to a credible source, but uhm... plaxico... uhm... yeah, I won't go there. Truth freaking hurts, I guess.

I wish people in the middle would stop using that statement to paint with such a wide brush. Projection much?

[LouC]

Didn't Rush say...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Yes he did say that.

So?

That is one line taken out of a three hour program.

What did he say in the other 2 hours 59 minutes and 45 seconds that just might have put that line in context?

Remember this: Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

Remember how the Right ran rampant with that statement made by President Obama in Strasbourg France last April.

How they cherry picked that one line out of his entire speech, took it out of context to condemn him.

That was wrong.

That is what the left has done with Rush Limbaugh, one line at a time, just as you have done here, out of context the left to vilify him in his entirety.

Sadly the voices I have heard speaking against Rush owning the Rams are obviously not aware of the fuller context of what Rush says, or what he said in context with the line you posted.

These people speaking out against Rush are some of those cowards Eric Holder spoke of, even more they are lazy cowards for making their blanket condemnations sans any attempt to put Rush's words into their full context.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial, we have always been and we -- I believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards," Holder told Department of Justice employees at an event Wednesday celebrating Black History Month.

He said that Americans are afraid to talk about race, adding that "certain subjects are off-limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one's character." -- Eric Holder

CNN Click LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/19/holder.folo/)

[LouC]

Unfortunately this isn't a debate I can have with you on this board since Rush is protected.

Discuss it then without attacking the man.

His message is not so protected.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

That is what happens when the wrong person speaks truth to power.
Except he wasn't...he was flat-out wrong then, and he's been proven wrong time and again. McNabb, then and now, is a good QB. He carried a team that had no business (his receivers were James Thrash, Torrance Small and...well damn, if that's not bad enough they had worse behind them) being in the '01 NFC title game to within 5 points of winning it.

[uncledoom]

Sorry but it seems like people are more interested in trying to mix sports with politics and that is not going to work in this case. Saying a player is overrated is one thing...saying its due the media propping up the black players is fine for his radio show...but it will not fly as an NFL owner. No, it does not matter if he "was right or wrong". Had Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, or Jonathan Kraft said that, they would have been smacked around in the media just as Rush did.

At the end of the day, an owner will still need to look their own players in the eye...and if they don't like what they see, they will go elsewhere. Go luck trying to sign that top free agent.

[LouC]

Except he wasn't...he was flat-out wrong then, and he's been proven wrong time and again. McNabb, then and now, is a good QB. He carried a team that had no business (his receivers were James Thrash, Torrance Small and...well damn, if that's not bad enough they had worse behind them) being in the '01 NFC title game to within 5 points of winning it.

That may be that his opinion regarding McNabb at the time was wrong but the thrust of the statement was against the sports media, their behavior, their power.

[JediMindTrick]

Discuss it then without attacking the man.

His message is not so protected.

Well then about the message - it was moronic.

The statement was moronic because the NFL and media always props up its young star QB's. Especially young QB's who lead their teams deep in the playoffs. Jay Cutler has been widely heralded as one of the greatest QB's in the game yet he has a 20-20 career record at the moment and hasn't won a playoff game which is a far cry from what McNabb had at the time. Phillip Rivers is considerd by the media as one of the greatest QB's in the league and he's never taken his team to a superbowl (just like McNabb at the time of Rush's statements). Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are getting huge accolades and they haven't done as much as McNabb had done by that point. Drew Brees without a doubt is one of the top QB's in the league yet he hasn't done as much as McNabb had done at the time. Its the absolute norm for the media to prop up the rising star QB's in the league and its got nothing to do with race which is why Rush was completely wrong about what he said. If race and not talent / potential was the issue then the media would be propping up David Garrard (he took his team to an AFC championship) and Daunte Culpepper (he took his team to an NFC championship).

And thats as much as I can say safely.

[newyorkjetsfan]

What a bunch of crybabies!!!!

[natalie addict]

Discuss it then without attacking the man.

His message is not so protected.

Gee, what a novel concept. Think it'll do any good?

[CaptainPike]

Maybe Rush wants to buy a sorry ass team so he can fire all the players.

[LouC]

Well then about the message - it was moronic.

The statement was moronic because the NFL and media always props up its young star QB's.

Did anyone do any quantitative measuring to prove Rush was wrong in his opinion?

Something tells me he didn't just suddenly pull that statement out his ass.

He was basing it on observations he had made.

Did the media prop up McNabb at the time more than other young star QB's of equal skill and records?

That was measurable.

The media does love the young talent success story, but there is no denying that it gins up when the success isn't "typical".

Look at the propping Obama has been receiving from the media and others, Nobel Prize for rhetoric, "sort of God", the media does love the young "black" success story and will give it more press.

Not that that is a bad thing mind you, but it is just silly to pretend it doesn't happen.

Sad that Rush had to quit the gig because he wasn't PC enough for ESPN with his opinions.

[JediMindTrick]

Did anyone do any quantitative measuring to prove Rush was wrong in his opinion?

Something tells me he didn't just suddenly pull that statement out his ass.

He was basing it on observations he had made.

Did the media prop up McNabb at the time more than other young star QB's of equal skill and records?

That was measurable.

The media does love the young talent success story, but there is no denying that it gins up when the success isn't "typical".

Look at the propping Obama has been receiving from the media and others, Nobel Prize for rhetoric, "sort of God", the media does love the young "black" success story and will give it more press.

Not that that is a bad thing mind you, but it is just silly to pretend it doesn't happen.

Sad that Rush had to quit the gig because he wasn't PC enough for ESPN with his opinions.

In the seasons before Rush made his idiotic statement here is what McNabb had accomplished:

1. Three straight pro bowls
2. Two consecutive trips to the NFC championship
3. Runner up as NFL MVP

McNabb had nothing left to prove, he clearly proved ON THE FIELD that he was an elite NFL QB. Were there any other young QB's at the time who got less "propping up" yet were more deserving. If you can find a white QB with a better resume than McNabb had at that time who wasn't getting the accolades then maybe Rush had a point. Here are some obvious candidates for you: Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Brett Favre. But lets see Favre was a 3 time MVP who everyone considered one of the all time greats. Brady had just come off a Superbowl MVP performance so no one was slighting him. Manning was still 3 1/2 yrs away from his first superbowl win yet was getting all kinds of accolades. Or should we consider Trent Dilfer since he'd recently won a superbowl and pretend it was about Trent and not Ray Lewis and the defense.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Cool, Sharpton is DEMANDING a sitdown with the Commish, lol.........this country is so ****ed.

[JediMindTrick]

Cool, Sharpton is DEMANDING a sitdown with the Commish, lol.........this country is so ****ed.

Of course Al $harpton wants a sitdown. He hasn't gotten much press since the Gates incident.

[jimjames418]

Except he wasn't...he was flat-out wrong then, and he's been proven wrong time and again. McNabb, then and now, is a good QB. He carried a team that had no business (his receivers were James Thrash, Torrance Small and...well damn, if that's not bad enough they had worse behind them) being in the '01 NFC title game to within 5 points of winning it.
Rush never said that McNabb was not a good quarterback, in fact he said he was a very good quarterback, just not as good as the press was painting him to be. I heard it live and don't need no monday morning quarterbacks telling me what he said.

He said that the sprots reporters were over rating him, not that he was not a good quarterback.

[natalie addict]

In the seasons before Rush made his idiotic statement here is what McNabb had accomplished:

1. Three straight pro bowls
2. Two consecutive trips to the NFC championship
3. Runner up as NFL MVP

McNabb had nothing left to prove, he clearly proved ON THE FIELD that he was an elite NFL QB. Were there any other young QB's at the time who got less "propping up" yet were more deserving. If you can find a white QB with a better resume than McNabb had at that time who wasn't getting the accolades then maybe Rush had a point. Here are some obvious candidates for you: Kurt Warner, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Brett Favre. But lets see Favre was a 3 time MVP who everyone considered one of the all time greats. Brady had just come off a Superbowl MVP performance so no one was slighting him. Manning was still 3 1/2 yrs away from his first superbowl win yet was getting all kinds of accolades. Or should we consider Trent Dilfer since he'd recently won a superbowl and pretend it was about Trent and not Ray Lewis and the defense.

Trent who?

BTW, as a Viking fan, I have to stand in abject amazement that the Packers had no further use for a future Hall of Fame quarterback. Thank you ever so much.

[JediMindTrick]

Trent who?


My point exactly. In 2003 you only had a handful of QB's who one might be able to argue were better than McNabb - the four I mentioned. And I might be unfair to McNabb since Peyton Manning still had the "the next big game he wins will be the first big game he's ever won" monkey on his back and Warner by this time might have been in the stage where he vanished for a few years (I forget when exactly Bulger replaced him and Warner ended up with the Giants).

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Rush never said that McNabb was not a good quarterback, in fact he said he was a very good quarterback, just not as good as the press was painting him to be. I heard it live and don't need no monday morning quarterbacks telling me what he said.

He said that the sprots reporters were over rating him, not that he was not a good quarterback.

Well, how about when he said...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

[jimjames418]

Well, how about when he said...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."
Well, it's true for one thing. You have 22 men, wearing the color of their gang, on the field fighting over the attempt to move a ball down the field. And don't try to tell me they are not fighting because otherwise why all the protective gear they wear. ;)

[LouC]

Well, how about when he said...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Second time you have used that one line out of the total context.

Didn't Rush say...

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it."

Yes he did say that.

So?

That is one line taken out of a three hour program.

What did he say in the other 2 hours 59 minutes and 45 seconds that just might have put that line in context?

Remember this: Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

Remember how the Right ran rampant with that statement made by President Obama in Strasbourg France last April.

How they cherry picked that one line out of his entire speech, took it out of context to condemn him.

That was wrong.

That is what the left has done with Rush Limbaugh, one line at a time, just as you have done here, out of context the left to vilify him in his entirety.

Sadly the voices I have heard speaking against Rush owning the Rams are obviously not aware of the fuller context of what Rush says, or what he said in context with the line you posted.

These people speaking out against Rush are some of those cowards Eric Holder spoke of, even more they are lazy cowards for making their blanket condemnations sans any attempt to put Rush's words into their full context.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial, we have always been and we -- I believe continue to be in too many ways essentially a nation of cowards," Holder told Department of Justice employees at an event Wednesday celebrating Black History Month.

He said that Americans are afraid to talk about race, adding that "certain subjects are off-limits and that to explore them risks at best embarrassment and at worst the questioning of one's character." -- Eric Holder

CNN Click LINK (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/19/holder.folo/)

Why not post the other things he said that put that line into context?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Second time you have used that one line out of the total context.



Yes he did say that.

So?

That is one line taken out of a three hour program.

What did he say in the other 2 hours 59 minutes and 45 seconds that just might have put that line in context?

Remember this:

Remember how the Right ran rampant with that statement made by President Obama in Strasbourg France last April.

How they cherry picked that one line out of his entire speech, took it out of context to condemn him.

That was wrong.

That is what the left has done with Rush Limbaugh, one line at a time, just as you have done here, out of context the left to vilify him in his entirety.

Sadly the voices I have heard speaking against Rush owning the Rams are obviously not aware of the fuller context of what Rush says, or what he said in context with the line you posted.

These people speaking out against Rush are some of those cowards Eric Holder spoke of, even more they are lazy cowards for making their blanket condemnations sans any attempt to put Rush's words into their full context.



Why not post the other things he said that put that line into context?

I don't listen to any of the political opinion guys so everything to me is taken out of context. But that line seemed pretty easy to comprehend. If it had another meaning, please post it. Because you know that sometimes when a person says the sky is blue, they mean that the sky is blue.

[LouC]

I don't listen to any of the political opinion guys so everything to me is taken out of context....

Going around only slightly informed is a sorry way to go.

Why not then when posting that one line from Rush not explain there is total ignorance of the full context and that there is no desire to determine said context?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Going around only slightly informed is a sorry way to go.

Why not then when posting that one line from Rush not explain there is total ignorance of the full context and that there is no desire to determine said context?

if you watch him, why not just tell me what he meant? and again, some things don't require a universal translator. and do you ever quote things that people say? do you watch all of their speeches? do you have a footnote on your posts, when quoting people, that says this is only part of what they said? i'll watch your posts in the future to see if you do so for everybody.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Well, it's true for one thing. You have 22 men, wearing the color of their gang, on the field fighting over the attempt to move a ball down the field. And don't try to tell me they are not fighting because otherwise why all the protective gear they wear. ;)

that reminded me of lacrosse. heck, they even have weapons.

[Buffalo]

Cool, Sharpton is DEMANDING a sitdown with the Commish, lol.........this country is so ****ed.
That's surprising.

[DRS]

You know it is funny when people get upset and think that saying dumb **** should prevent you from owning something or having a government job, then will justify or defend the person they share politically idealogies with for doing the same dumb **** they want to crucify others for.

[chip]

Unfortunately this isn't a debate I can have with you on this board since Rush is protected.


Please.

What a weak retort.

[chip]

Fair or not, Rush did not come off well in the whole Donovan McNabb thing. So its really no surprise that in a league thats 66% black that this would happen.


Directly following the Rush comment

MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.
STEVE YOUNG: Well, he (McNabb) certainly hasn't matured.
MICHAEL IRVIN: Rush has a point.

That whole "Donovan McNabb thing" was BS.

[JediMindTrick]

Please.

What a weak retort.

Bait.

[chip]

Bait.

Hardly, or are you too simple minded to discuss Rush without personally attacking him?

[JediMindTrick]

Hardly, or are you too simple minded to discuss Rush without personally attacking him?

Now a personal attack. Classy.

BTW, you might want to read the thread - you might notice I have discussed the issue.

[chip]

Now a personal attack. Classy.



Theres no personal attack there. I asked you a simple question. You used a weak response to avoid the subject matter.


BTW, you might want to read the thread - you might notice I have discussed the issue.

You said

"Unfortunately this isn't a debate I can have with you on this board since Rush is protected."


SO which is it?

[uncledoom]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4556315

This is pretty much what I thought would happen.

[JediMindTrick]

Theres no personal attack there. I asked you a simple question. You used a weak response to avoid the subject matter.




You said

"Unfortunately this isn't a debate I can have with you on this board since Rush is protected."


SO which is it?

Read the thread (something you still clearly haven't done), figure it out.