Health Care Debate - Are the Dem's really the party of no?

[rodeo]

A Fox News story on September 10 says "Republicans have drawn up 35 different health care proposals this year, undermining President Obama's statements in recent weeks that opponents of his health care plan have no solutions."

There's even a website, www.healthcare.gop.gov, which lays out those proposals.

How can a party that has created that number of proposals be labeled the party of no.

More to the fact, Republicans are not proposing big government takeover of your healthcare, your lives, and 1/7th of the ecomony health care proposals, as a result some good ideas are simply being ignored by the Dem's.

Should we not actually be labeling the party that completely refuses to acknowledge good ideas presented by the other side as the "Party of No".

[Electromyographical Alien]

Whichever side is in the minority is considered the party of "no".

What irks me is the Democrats/Obama are publicly lying saying Republicans are offering no alternatives or solutions, just shooting down the Dems ideas.

Republicans offered alternatives on the stimulus, healthcare, jobs, etc. They just aren't in the majority and aren't getting public time. Meanwhile, Dems blatantly lie about it, won't even hardly meet with Republicans, and don't want to hear Republican ideas strictly for self-political fulfillment.

Just today, it was reported the Republicans sent a letter to the White House concerning job creation.
In the letter they’re sending to the White House later today, House Republican leaders tout various members’ proposals that would:

–Give small businesses a tax deduction equal to 20% of their income.

–Let small businesses band together in associations to buy health insurance more cheaply.

–Curb civil lawsuits.

–Lower individual income tax rates.

–Expand health savings accounts, which are being squeezed in some of the current health-care reform proposals.

–Increase businesses’ ability to recover current losses by refiling prior tax returns.
Full letter: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/07/house-republicans-press-obama-on-jobs-creation/

[MadazzVeteran]

..... Nutsy Pelosi can say the Republicans have no plan - behind the closed door. And with the "State Run Media" offering absolutely no "equal time" (Fairness Doctrine my ass) to any Republicans, the picture sure is one of no plan. So go ahead and tell your lies, scream them from the hilltops - just keep in mind that November 2010 is coming soon and many of you worthless liars will be out of a job. The voters will cram this plan up your ass in 2010.

[dad49er]

A Fox News story on September 10 says "Republicans have drawn up 35 different health care proposals this year, undermining President Obama's statements in recent weeks that opponents of his health care plan have no solutions."

There's even a website, www.healthcare.gop.gov, which lays out those proposals.

How can a party that has created that number of proposals be labeled the party of no.

More to the fact, Republicans are not proposing big government takeover of your healthcare, your lives, and 1/7th of the ecomony health care proposals, as a result some good ideas are simply being ignored by the Dem's.

Should we not actually be labeling the party that completely refuses to acknowledge good ideas presented by the other side as the "Party of No".

Maybe it is the plans themselves.
Obama did say "solutions" not plans.
Some Republican suggestions have been included, others are under consideration.

But some are just tax breaks, tax credits, and breaks for the insurance companies.
Ideas that do not appear viable.

[Electromyographical Alien]

..... Nutsy Pelosi can say the Republicans have no plan - behind the closed door. And with the "State Run Media" offering absolutely no "equal time" (Fairness Doctrine my ass) to any Republicans, the picture sure is one of no plan. So go ahead and tell your lies, scream them from the hilltops - just keep in mind that November 2010 is coming soon and many of you worthless liars will be out of a job. The voters will cram this plan up your ass in 2010.

Someone's madazz!

[misterblue]

Maybe it is the plans themselves.
Obama did say "solutions" not plans.
Some Republican suggestions have been included, others are under consideration.

But some are just tax breaks, tax credits, and breaks for the insurance companies.
Ideas that do not appear viable.


When do Democrats ever deal with Facts?

[MadazzVeteran]

Maybe it is the plans themselves.
Obama did say "solutions" not plans.
Some Republican suggestions have been included, others are under consideration.

But some are just tax breaks, tax credits, and breaks for the insurance companies.
Ideas that do not appear viable.

Take a look at both federal and state revenues right now - you'll find them way down. More taxation never stimulates anything except more government spending which stimulates more taxes, which stimulates more government spending ...... and on and on.

[rodeo]

Maybe it is the plans themselves.
Obama did say "solutions" not plans.
Some Republican suggestions have been included, others are under consideration.

But some are just tax breaks, tax credits, and breaks for the insurance companies.
Ideas that do not appear viable.

One can just as easily question the viability of a budget busting big government takeover of the health care system.

Aren't private sector solutions, tort reform, selling insurance across state lines, not creating a public option that will not increase but rather destroy competition, better ideas?

["Doc"]

The Republicans have failed to let the public know they have presented options. Granted, Pelosi's autocratic approach has stopped any GOP answer from reaching the floor but the Republicans need to publicize that they have alternatives. That means getting the word out. Now they seem to have a defeatist attitude. They know their proposals won't make it so they give up. IMO that is a poor strategy.

[MadazzVeteran]

The Republicans have failed to let the public know they have presented options. Granted, Pelosi's autocratic approach has stopped any GOP answer from reaching the floor but the Republicans need to publicize that they have alternatives. That means getting the word out. Now they seem to have a defeatist attitude. They know their proposals won't make it so they give up. IMO that is a poor strategy.

If you never watch any news other than the "Usual Suspects" you will never know. Boehner has a plan that never gets air time and thus the repubs "don't have a plan". Step out of the mainstream and look around, you'll find a different world out there.

[HoracioMendez]

If anything, Obama has been way to bipartisan on this. The country rejected the republicans for a reason, so the democrats need to man up and do the same.

[dad49er]

Whichever side is in the minority is considered the party of "no".

What irks me is the Democrats/Obama are publicly lying saying Republicans are offering no alternatives or solutions, just shooting down the Dems ideas.

Republicans offered alternatives on the stimulus, healthcare, jobs, etc. They just aren't in the majority and aren't getting public time. Meanwhile, Dems blatantly lie about it, won't even hardly meet with Republicans, and don't want to hear Republican ideas strictly for self-political fulfillment.

Just today, it was reported the Republicans sent a letter to the White House concerning job creation.

Full letter: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/10/07/house-republicans-press-obama-on-jobs-creation/

From your post:

In the letter they’re sending to the White House later today, House Republican leaders tout various members’ proposals that would:

–Give small businesses a tax deduction equal to 20% of their income.

–Let small businesses band together in associations to buy health insurance more cheaply.

–Curb civil lawsuits.

–Lower individual income tax rates.

–Expand health savings accounts, which are being squeezed in some of the current health-care reform proposals.

–Increase businesses’ ability to recover current losses by refiling prior tax returns.

With the possible exception of:

"Let small businesses band together in associations to buy health insurance more cheaply."

Not a solution.

As you mentioned health savings accounts are being included in some proposals.

[dad49er]

One can just as easily question the viability of a budget busting big government takeover of the health care system.

Aren't private sector solutions, tort reform, selling insurance across state lines, not creating a public option that will not increase but rather destroy competition, better ideas?

Private solutions is what has brought us to the point we are now.

[MadazzVeteran]

If anything, Obama has been way to bipartisan on this. The country rejected the republicans for a reason, so the democrats need to man up and do the same.

No - Pelosi and Reid rejected the republican plan, the country never saw it courtesy of the BS Media, but it was aired on Fox (Oh God, that right wing crazy cable new outlet).

[Electromyographical Alien]

The Republicans have failed to let the public know they have presented options. Granted, Pelosi's autocratic approach has stopped any GOP answer from reaching the floor but the Republicans need to publicize that they have alternatives. That means getting the word out. Now they seem to have a defeatist attitude. They know their proposals won't make it so they give up. IMO that is a poor strategy.

I agree, though I can't say what the best method for getting the word out.

Although I'm routinely a bit disappointed in Hannity, Beck, etc. because they are great on breaking down the Democrats, but even they provide little air time for Republican alternatives.

I realize hearing alternatives over dismantling another party isn't as fun, but something's got to be done.

[HoracioMendez]

No - Pelosi and Reid rejected the republican plan, the country never saw it courtesy of the BS Media, but it was aired on Fox (Oh God, that right wing crazy cable new outlet).

The "plan" by republicans was more of the same. Taxcuts. Democrats were elected to pass a public option, and they need to do it whether the republicans are on board or not.

[Electromyographical Alien]

Not a solution.

As you mentioned health savings accounts are being included in some proposals.

If that's the case, Democrats aren't offering solutions either....so it comes down to word games, I suppose.

The Dems are offering plans just as the Republicans are. No one is actually offering solutions, in that regard. All they can offer are plans that lead to solutions.

[Teufelhunden]

Maybe it is the plans themselves.
Obama did say "solutions" not plans.
Some Republican suggestions have been included, others are under consideration.

But some are just tax breaks, tax credits, and breaks for the insurance companies.
Ideas that do not appear viable.
Umm ok. Baucus Plan = Plan. Patient's Choice Act = Plan. GET IT? "Solutions" obviously = opinion in your scenario. The Patient's Choice Act is in fact a "solution" just as much as the Baucus Bill is a "solution" in theory. So what was your point again?

[Electromyographical Alien]

The "plan" by republicans was more of the same. Taxcuts. Democrats were elected to pass a public option, and they need to do it whether the republicans are on board or not.

Why?

Why do they need to pass a public option?

What will happen if they don't?

[Teufelhunden]

From your post:

In the letter they’re sending to the White House later today, House Republican leaders tout various members’ proposals that would:

–Give small businesses a tax deduction equal to 20% of their income.

–Let small businesses band together in associations to buy health insurance more cheaply.

–Curb civil lawsuits.

–Lower individual income tax rates.

–Expand health savings accounts, which are being squeezed in some of the current health-care reform proposals.

–Increase businesses’ ability to recover current losses by refiling prior tax returns.

With the possible exception of:

"Let small businesses band together in associations to buy health insurance more cheaply."

Not a solution.

As you mentioned health savings accounts are being included in some proposals.
Perhaps you should try reading EVERYTHING on the Website! Maybe then you'll notice things like the Patient's Choice Act or are you just "Cherrypicking" things off the page instead of giving it it's "due" like your Liberal Representatives do on Capitol Hill?

[HoracioMendez]

Why?

Why do they need to pass a public option?

What will happen if they don't?

It's one of the main reasons they were elected. Plus having to provide health insurance is holding back American business.

[Teufelhunden]

Private solutions is what has brought us to the point we are now.
NO, State and Federal mandates and regulations, as well as "Cost Shifting" resulting from the under payment of Medicaid/Medicare to Dr.s and Hospitals have gotten us to where we are today! You want "real" competition? Allow Health Insurance to be sold over state lines! That's real competition. A Govt. run Public Option that is in fact a "vehicle" to a Single Payer Plan is not competition, it's a Private Insurance death sentence!

[Electromyographical Alien]

It's one of the main reasons they were elected. Plus having to provide health insurance is holding back American business.

Every election cycle Dems parade out this big talk of universal healthcare where everyone will be covered and we'll all live in houses made of candy canes and sunshine. Yet every time they try to pass it it fails.

They're used to it, it's not a make or break for them. It's pretty much a given that people will vote them in to try for it, but if they don't get it, oh well, it's expected.

[HoracioMendez]

Every election cycle Dems parade out this big talk of universal healthcare where everyone will be covered and we'll all live in houses made of candy canes and sunshine. Yet every time they try to pass it it fails.

They're used to it, it's not a make or break for them. It's pretty much a given that people will vote them in to try for it, but if they don't get it, oh well, it's expected.

I know, the democrats are such ******* at times.

[ctherc]

It's one of the main reasons they were elected. Plus having to provide health insurance is holding back American business.

I guess that's why the majority of the country, the employers of our representatives, are not in favor of comprehensive healthcare reform.

46% favor / 50% oppose (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform)

[rodeo]

If you never watch any news other than the "Usual Suspects" you will never know. Boehner has a plan that never gets air time and thus the repubs "don't have a plan". Step out of the mainstream and look around, you'll find a different world out there.

Agreed - The Liberal Left Wing State Controlled Media (the artist formerly known as the MSM), has shown no interest in reporting the Republican side.

I do wish the Republicans would do something to make a big show....Get all the Senate R's together on the steps of Capital Hill or something or even all the R's in Congress and for the lefty media to bring a camera down to get some attention to the fact that there are alternatives.

(of course, immediately after that appearance MSNBC and CBS would rush off to San Fran Nan and Bwany Fwank for comment).

[dad49er]

Perhaps you should try reading EVERYTHING on the Website! Maybe then you'll notice things like the Patient's Choice Act or are you just "Cherrypicking" things off the page instead of giving it it's "due" like your Liberal Representatives do on Capitol Hill?

I just quoted what was posted, nothing more, nothing less.

[dad49er]

I guess that's why the majority of the country, the employers of our representatives, are not in favor of comprehensive healthcare reform.

46% favor / 50% oppose (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform)

Public Option

The poll found voters support a government-run plan to compete with private insurers 61 percent to 34 percent. Obama backs creating such a program, which has been the focus of much of the health-care debate in Congress. House and Senate Democrats are divided over the proposal, known as the public option, while most Republicans oppose it.

And the other numbers are trending up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20091008/pl_bloomberg/aw2pami0gqru