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osamayomama
October 2nd, 2009, 12:45 am
So according to National Geographic and most major news sources (including Fox) they found what they believe to be the missing link.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html
I looked for a link on Fox News to verify it cause i know none of ya'll trust NG, but it was buried in the SciTech section right under "New iPhone App Maps Your Sexual Exploits (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558460,00.html)".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558564,00.html
I know ya'll wont stand for this, why is it totally bunk?
mobiusptc
October 2nd, 2009, 12:58 am
actually its not so much the missing link because it is not linking chimpanzee to human but a very exciting find nonetheless.
Pawel
October 2nd, 2009, 1:10 am
So according to National Geographic and most major news sources (including Fox) they found what they believe to be the missing link.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html
I looked for a link on Fox News to verify it cause i know none of ya'll trust NG, but it was buried in the SciTech section right under "New iPhone App Maps Your Sexual Exploits (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558460,00.html)".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558564,00.html
I know ya'll wont stand for this, why is it totally bunk?
Why is it totally bunk? Don't you like that sketch in the Nat Geo article of how our kissin cousins may have looked? No wonder why I liked tree houses and spent a lot of time climbing trees and sittin on a little platform I built when I was a kid. I guess trees are in our (maybe not your) genes.
I bet I already know how you think we got here in earth, and you don't think that's bunk?
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 1:10 am
So according to National Geographic and most major news sources (including Fox) they found what they believe to be the missing link.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html
I looked for a link on Fox News to verify it cause i know none of ya'll trust NG, but it was buried in the SciTech section right under "New iPhone App Maps Your Sexual Exploits (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558460,00.html)".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558564,00.html
I know ya'll wont stand for this, why is it totally bunk?
As a Scientist, I fear no fact. As a Christian I fear no fact.
I only read the NG link. Given the state of the crushed misshapen "power" bones that were "reconstructed" people will be arguing about this for years.
As they still do the Italian Archer...
osamayomama
October 2nd, 2009, 1:14 am
Why is it totally bunk? Don't you like that sketch in the Nat Geo article of how our kissin cousins may have looked? No wonder why I liked tree houses and spent a lot of time climbing trees and sittin on a little platform I built when I was a kid. I guess trees are in our (maybe not your) genes.
I bet I already know how you think we got here in earth, and you don't think that's bunk?
well, i actually do believe how i think we got here, yes. To be honest, some of this NG stuff is a little over my head. I just figured some from the science comminuty could weigh in.
brody
October 2nd, 2009, 1:18 am
I thought this thrread was going to be about Rep. Alan Grayson.
Or a recent breakfast trip to Denny's by Michael Moore.
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 1:20 am
Why is it totally bunk? Don't you like that sketch in the Nat Geo article of how our kissin cousins may have looked? No wonder why I liked tree houses and spent a lot of time climbing trees and sittin on a little platform I built when I was a kid. I guess trees are in our (maybe not your) genes.
I bet I already know how you think we got here in earth, and you don't think that's bunk?
BTW, is that pronounced "Pavel"?
Pawel
October 2nd, 2009, 1:20 am
well, i actually do believe how i think we got here, yes. To be honest, some of this NG stuff is a little over my head. I just figured some from the science comminuty could weigh in.
Sorry about that! I guess I jumped to conclusions about your beliefs. I thought you were one of those creationists when you said "I know ya'll wont stand for this, why is it totally bunk? "
political hack
October 2nd, 2009, 1:20 am
Well, I looked all over for the sci/news story I read earlier this week or over the weekend. The most recent 'missing link' has been shown scientifically to not be a missing link.
Maybe someone else knows the article I'm talking about.
Gengar
October 2nd, 2009, 1:21 am
Here come the anti-science creationists!
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This is an amazing find, no matter how you try and spin it.
Ardi isn't bunk, or junk science... No matter how hard the idiots at the Discovery Institute try to convince anyone otherwise.
P.S. Calling this a "missing link" isn't really the proper way to describe this find...
There's a lot more here:
http://www.sciencemag.org/ardipithecus
Just read it yourselves... :)
gloucon
October 2nd, 2009, 1:24 am
count me among the skeptics when bones so fragile as to turn to dust when touched, which are so fragmented from being trampled by hippos that it takes 15 years to reconstruct them.... suddenly are fully understood and developed into a sketch of primitive behavior and movement; it's pure conjecture.
but i think their appearance now proves that global warming is manmade and accelerating.
Pawel
October 2nd, 2009, 1:27 am
BTW, is that pronounced "Pavel"?
Tak, Tak, Da, Da, Ano, Ano, and No (strangely, another Slavic word for "Yes")!
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 1:27 am
Here come the anti-science creationists!
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This is an amazing find, no matter how you try and spin it.
Ardi isn't bunk, or junk science... No matter how hard the idiots at the Discovery Institute try to convince anyone otherwise.
ah... I make my living as a multi-degreed scientist and engineer, but I do believe in Creation until disproved. So please choose one insult while I go back to being cold and reasonable.
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 1:30 am
Tak, Tak, Da, Da, Ano, Ano, and No (strangely, another Slavic word for "Yes")!
Ah! :) I learn somethine every day.
I'm more Slavic than anything else.
So, how do you pronounce that?
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 1:31 am
count me among the skeptics when bones so fragile as to turn to dust when touched, which are so fragmented from being trampled by hippos that it takes 15 years to reconstruct them.... suddenly are fully understood and developed into a sketch of primitive behavior and movement; it's pure conjecture.
but i think their appearance now proves that global warming is manmade and accelerating.
I am scheduling my "Last Olympics" party now!
pdxleon
October 2nd, 2009, 1:34 am
I LOVE NatGeo!! One of their best opening lines was in the article about the dwindling tiger populations: "Tigers remain virtuall unchanged after 40 million years of...evolution." Wrap THAT around your mind.
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 1:37 am
I LOVE NatGeo!! One of their best opening lines was in the article about the dwindling tiger populations: "Tigers remain virtuall unchanged after 40 million years of...evolution." Wrap THAT around your mind.
Sort of like Progressive Democrats! HAR!
Pawel
October 2nd, 2009, 1:45 am
Ah! :) I learn somethine every day.
I'm more Slavic than anything else.
So, how do you pronounce that?
Pavel!
You gotta have a lot of faith to be a creationist. There are certainly a lot of mysteries about the universe, but we positively know that humans and the earth were not created the way the Bible says. Even the conservative Catholic church does not promote or teach creation theory.
Clintville
October 2nd, 2009, 1:47 am
ah... I make my living as a multi-degreed scientist and engineer, but I do believe in Creation until disproved. So please choose one insult while I go back to being cold and reasonable.
What kind of creationism to you believe in? Because young age creationism has definitely been disproved. Scientifically speaking that is.
Claymore
October 2nd, 2009, 1:48 am
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/images/thumbs/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus_170.jpg
"Good Horning, I'm Ardi, your local ACORN reprsentative."
4Ministry
October 2nd, 2009, 1:58 am
Even looking at the photos... the thumb is one piece strait and thick... No Joint? This would have been Non-functional. Also it is as thick as a tibia, fibia or femar? Another piece it together job to make the parts look like something that they are not. Every one of these finds has been shown to be false... This one will too!
Pawel
October 2nd, 2009, 2:10 am
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/images/thumbs/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus_170.jpg
"Good Horning, I'm Ardi, your local ACORN reprsentative."
Nasty, nasty! What are you inplying here?
Is Ardi a communist too?
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 2:14 am
Pavel!
You gotta have a lot of faith to be a creationist. There are certainly a lot of mysteries about the universe, but we positively know that humans and the earth were not created the way the Bible says. Even the conservative Catholic church does not promote or teach creation theory.
To "Know" something is a dear thing. To be SURE, beyond all belief. To know that no new discovery could change your mind... might take uh Faith?
No, It is non-theists who unknowingly have the greater faith.
Gengar
October 2nd, 2009, 2:16 am
Even looking at the photos... the thumb is one piece strait and thick... No Joint? This would have been Non-functional. Also it is as thick as a tibia, fibia or femar? Another piece it together job to make the parts look like something that they are not. Every one of these finds has been shown to be false... This one will too!
Look folks... we have our very own paleontologist! :))
How exactly is this false? Please don't try and tell us we are direct descendants of Ardi... because that is precisely not what this find represents.
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 2:20 am
What kind of creationism to you believe in? Because young age creationism has definitely been disproved. Scientifically speaking that is.
As an active Scientist I am a skeptic, but I see Evolution being used about as accurately as MMGW, as an agenda item of the left. When most people argue Evolution they have no clue.
I believe in the tower of babel.
jimjames418
October 2nd, 2009, 2:20 am
What kind of creationism to you believe in? Because young age creationism has definitely been disproved. Scientifically speaking that is.
Someone or something created the "Big Bang". Until proven otherwise that would be God. ;)
penner01
October 2nd, 2009, 2:23 am
As an active Scientist I am a skeptic, but I see Evolution being used about as accurately as MMGW, as an agenda item of the left. When most people argue Evolution they have no clue.
I believe in the tower of babel.
I'm still not clear on why it is people can't reconcile that creationism and evolution could both be plausible. We have this assumption that the image we were created in is what we look like today....just saying
StoneScratcher
October 2nd, 2009, 2:23 am
Lucy, Ardi...women.
Maybe they were not women, but hermaphrodites.
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 2:25 am
I'm still not clear on why it is people can't reconcile that creationism and evolution could both be plausible. We have this assumption that the image we were created in is what we look like today....just saying
Sorry but I find the ethos of "Survival of the Fittest" to conflict with the commandments, style and wonderful Grace of God.
penner01
October 2nd, 2009, 2:26 am
Anybody here see the Lucy exhibit? It was some pretty compelling stuff but I still came out wondering how people make that stretch.
penner01
October 2nd, 2009, 2:27 am
Sorry but I find the ethos of "Survival of the Fittest" to conflict with the commandments, style and wonderful Grace of God. I understand that.......but who's to say how long we had been evolving before the commandments came on the scene. Who's to say they new where it all began?
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 2:28 am
Someone or something created the "Big Bang". Until proven otherwise that would be God. ;)
Issac Azimov explained that in an early 70's book, paraphrasing:
Perhaps it is the nature of nothing that is spontaneously splits into positive something and negative something....
I think your and my faith is safe from tonite's questioners.
Physics Hunter
October 2nd, 2009, 2:35 am
I understand that.......but who's to say how long we had been evolving before the commandments came on the scene. Who's to say they new where it all began?
BTW I do truly respect your line of questioning as it is sincere and seems reasonable...
You assume that we Evolved. I could but need not argue from there but that is not the issue you question.
I could equally posit that God Evolved the world as a background and then Created Man to live in it. (There, I just did!)
Which sounds more like a Just and Righteous God who commands that we must not murder?
Gengar
October 2nd, 2009, 2:38 am
BTW I do truly respect your line of questioning as it is sincere and seems reasonable...
You assume that we Evolved. I could but need not argue from there but that is not the issue you question.
I could equally posit that God Evolved the world as a background and then Created Man to live in it. (There, I just did!)
Which sounds more like a Just and Righteous God who commands that we must not murder?
Except that there's no evidence of God's existence.
Claymore
October 2nd, 2009, 5:14 am
Nasty, nasty! What are you inplying here?
Is Ardi a communist too?
"Share your bananas or die!"
:rolleyes:
Claymore
October 2nd, 2009, 5:16 am
Lucy, Ardi...women.
Maybe they were not women, but hermaphrodites.
Y'know how it was determined they were female?
The mouths were open.
blackcatrun
October 2nd, 2009, 6:45 am
Mix a few old bones in with alot of ******** to justify a few million dollers worth of grants....not a bad deal.
Greyclouds
October 2nd, 2009, 9:43 am
Here come the anti-science creationists!
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This is an amazing find, no matter how you try and spin it.
Ardi isn't bunk, or junk science... No matter how hard the idiots at the Discovery Institute try to convince anyone otherwise.
P.S. Calling this a "missing link" isn't really the proper way to describe this find...
There's a lot more here:
http://www.sciencemag.org/ardipithecus
Just read it yourselves... :)
Exactly! :clap:
Greyclouds
October 2nd, 2009, 9:47 am
Sorry but I find the ethos of "Survival of the Fittest" to conflict with the commandments, style and wonderful Grace of God.
And how do you define "fittest?"
This is very important, because if you use the incorrect terminology for "fittest," then you're actually talking about a social paradigm known as "Social Darwinism."
"Fittest," in Evolutionary Theory, should actually be replaced with Fecundity, or the ability to reproduce. It is in this regard that you understand why mobile genetic elements and rabbits are so prolific.
StoneScratcher
October 2nd, 2009, 10:09 am
Y'know how it was determined they were female?
The mouths were open.
Men and dogs have one thing in common that no other animal species do.
Men and dogs have prostrates. Does this mean men evolved from dogs? Or dogs evolved into men?
Greyclouds
October 2nd, 2009, 10:15 am
Men and dogs have one thing in common that no other animal species do.
Men and dogs have prostrates. Does this mean men evolved from dogs? Or dogs evolved into men?
Um... all male mammals have a prostate:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11295592
It has a functional advantage of providing bulk to seminal fluid, and creating a basic solution to counteract the normal acidic pH of urine. Without this neutralization, sperm cells would denature and die on the way out of the urethra.
Also, you're mistating the theory here. The theory of common ancestry posits that humans and dogs are descended from a common ancestor. Similarity in GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE serves as evidence supporting such a line of descent. Take for example the fact that both species produce milk, have a placenta, have the same ribosomal genes (with high sequence similarity) and many other homologous genes.
Buffalo
October 2nd, 2009, 10:18 am
Men and dogs have one thing in common that no other animal species do.
Men and dogs have prostrates. Does this mean men evolved from dogs? Or dogs evolved into men?
not true
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112723198/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0
penner01
October 2nd, 2009, 10:52 am
BTW I do truly respect your line of questioning as it is sincere and seems reasonable...
You assume that we Evolved. I could but need not argue from there but that is not the issue you question.
I could equally posit that God Evolved the world as a background and then Created Man to live in it. (There, I just did!)
Which sounds more like a Just and Righteous God who commands that we must not murder?
Oh no, I'm not assuming evolution at all....just not discounting it. I guess I'm not pure in my belief in creationism. I suspect I won't resolve that in this lifetime. :)
StoneScratcher
October 2nd, 2009, 11:20 am
Um... all male mammals have a prostate:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11295592
It has a functional advantage of providing bulk to seminal fluid, and creating a basic solution to counteract the normal acidic pH of urine. Without this neutralization, sperm cells would denature and die on the way out of the urethra.
Also, you're mistating the theory here. The theory of common ancestry posits that humans and dogs are descended from a common ancestor. Similarity in GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE serves as evidence supporting such a line of descent. Take for example the fact that both species produce milk, have a placenta, have the same ribosomal genes (with high sequence similarity) and many other homologous genes.
But I just read this yesterday about how dogs and human males only have prostates! I'll try to find the link! Do you suppose they lied? It wouldn't surprise me, it was a slideshow presentation. I'll see if I can find the link.
By the way, smile once and a while...science is fun! http://forums.hannity.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Dr. Funkenstein
October 2nd, 2009, 11:24 am
Does this mean the link isn't missing anymore?
So we'll be calling it the "found link" from now on?
Buffalo
October 2nd, 2009, 11:28 am
But I just read this yesterday about how dogs and human males only have prostates! I'll try to find the link! Do you suppose they lied? It wouldn't surprise me, it was a slideshow presentation. I'll see if I can find the link.
By the way, smile once and a while...science is fun! http://forums.hannity.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Yes, they lied to you, and I would have to wonder why they would promote such a lie when they truth is pretty easy to find out. Says how much respect that presenter has for his audience and how strong he thinks his argument is. :mrgreen:
StoneScratcher
October 2nd, 2009, 11:29 am
Yes, they lied to you, and I would have to wonder why they would promote such a lie when they truth is pretty easy to find out. Says how much respect that presenter has for his audience and how strong he thinks his argument is. :mrgreen:
Maybe I wanted to make males go rough?
StoneScratcher
October 2nd, 2009, 12:09 pm
Um... all male mammals have a prostate:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11295592
It has a functional advantage of providing bulk to seminal fluid, and creating a basic solution to counteract the normal acidic pH of urine. Without this neutralization, sperm cells would denature and die on the way out of the urethra.
Also, you're mistating the theory here. The theory of common ancestry posits that humans and dogs are descended from a common ancestor. Similarity in GENOTYPE and PHENOTYPE serves as evidence supporting such a line of descent. Take for example the fact that both species produce milk, have a placenta, have the same ribosomal genes (with high sequence similarity) and many other homologous genes.
Appopriately named: World's Most Useless Facts
1.) It is impossible to do this with your eyes open.
2.) That sunburn is so nine-minutes ago.
3.) Minnesota clamp.
4.) Campbells never thought of this.
5.) Give yourself 14 times a day to toot.
6.) Hairy spiders can outlive your dog.
7.) Barbie has a full name but Ken doesn't have a full body.
8.) Bells Nichols, from all reports listed, was not gay.
9.) Hundreds of years ago, only the rich had warm bottoms.
10.) Slime does not obstruct the four noses some garden pests have.
11.) Rapper LL Cool J is conceited.
12.) A jiffy isn't something you rip open to unveil popcorn.
13.) The USA town Ho-Ho-Kus probably has an ACORN office in it.
14.) Stroke your plant and it grows.
15.) 350 feet per second is how fast that stubbed toe let's you know.
16.) Lock your knees-- but make sure you're on soft grass.
17.) Hemorrhoids sat uncomfortably behind the desk in the Oval Office.
18.) Something grows from you which is 590 miles long.
19.) Women can flip the bird and not even be sensitive to it.
20.) Prostates in men and dogs causes leg-lifting questions to arise.
21.) Uranus has alot of moons.
22.) Tony the Tiger had sex.
23.) Need a lobotomy? Done while you're awake.
24.) A potato a day keeps the doctor away. Your taste buds won't care.
25.) You may be able to smell your chest.
26.) Cleopatra kept things in the family.
27.) Michelangelo had a long one.
28.) Drinking milk from a cow that drank snakeroot is an Abe Lincoln tale.
29.) Pooping bubbles, but don't chew ABSG.
30.) There's a baby in there! Flash a light to see it move!
31.) Kiss yourself to slimness.
32.) It took a psycho to make flushing movie-worthy.
33.) You probably stick a Baby Gay in your ears every day.
34.) Male goats like to pee on other male goats to attract...mates?
35.) Maine, it's the stick capital.
36.) Butt breathing, and you thought turtles were slow.
37.) Weed your lawn and empty your bladder more easily.
38.) Go on your desk, it's deserves it more than the restroom.
39.) 57 sheets to your bottom.
40.) "I smell dead people..."
41.) Unlucky in marriage? Marry a tree.
42.) Rabbits cause bad trips.
43.) ...and (hic) here's to Old Glory...
44.) Tie your girlfriend up before you marry her.
45.) Hairy cat bugs.
46.) Leeches suck, but they have many thoughts about it.
47.) Ferrets die for sex.
48.) Those aren't fleas in your bathing suit.
49.) Go fishing and break five hearts while doing so.
50.) And the largest human organ is....?
http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre.facts.20.1164266.html
Dr. Funkenstein
October 2nd, 2009, 12:16 pm
Maybe I wanted to make males go rough?
did you mean "ruff"?
:angel:
Greyclouds
October 2nd, 2009, 12:18 pm
Yeah, wouldn't trust that slideshow.
Your restroom is almost always a higher source of pathogenic microbes than your desk; your desk, however, is likely not cleaned with abrasive and corrosive chemicals all that often, so it probably has a higher number of TOTAL microorganisms on it.
Less than 0.1% of all microbial species can live on or cause disease in humans.
Conservatizzle
October 2nd, 2009, 12:27 pm
Except that there's no evidence of God's existence.
Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bide)
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/loyalty) b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith> synonyms see belief (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief)
Thor
October 2nd, 2009, 3:28 pm
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/images/thumbs/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus_170.jpg
"Good Horning, I'm Ardi, your local ACORN reprsentative."
Come on! You shouldn't insult prehistoric hominids like this!
captusa
October 2nd, 2009, 3:28 pm
So according to National Geographic and most major news sources (including Fox) they found what they believe to be the missing link.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html
I looked for a link on Fox News to verify it cause i know none of ya'll trust NG, but it was buried in the SciTech section right under "New iPhone App Maps Your Sexual Exploits (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558460,00.html)".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558564,00.html
I know ya'll wont stand for this, why is it totally bunk?
Did you read the headline ?
Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"
The idea of a "missing link" has not been a part of the theory of evolution for about a century(if it ever was).
Thor
October 2nd, 2009, 3:30 pm
ah... I make my living as a multi-degreed scientist and engineer, but I do believe in Creation until disproved. So please choose one insult while I go back to being cold and reasonable.
How can "Creation" be disproved?
captusa
October 2nd, 2009, 3:37 pm
But I just read this yesterday about how dogs and human males only have prostates! I'll try to find the link! Do you suppose they lied? It wouldn't surprise me, it was a slideshow presentation. I'll see if I can find the link.
By the way, smile once and a while...science is fun! http://forums.hannity.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
Where did you read that dogs and humans were the only animals with a prostate ?
When you see a fact that doesn't make sense, check it elsewhere.
I was a fan of Wikipedia until a noticed too many errors.
An encyclopedia is defined as common knowledge but Wikipedia is too common.
It is still a great place to start to look for facts, just not the placve to end it.
captusa
October 2nd, 2009, 3:54 pm
And how do you define "fittest?"
This is very important, because if you use the incorrect terminology for "fittest," then you're actually talking about a social paradigm known as "Social Darwinism."
"Fittest," in Evolutionary Theory, should actually be replaced with Fecundity, or the ability to reproduce. It is in this regard that you understand why mobile genetic elements and rabbits are so prolific.
The one thing Social Darwinism does not take into their content is that one of the things that made humans the "fittest" specie is their social habits including the habit of caring for all of a society when possible.
It is the stability that human society has attained that allow people to devote their lives to pursuit of knowledge that can improve the total society.
We as a species have benefitted from being in a civlized society.
If you wish (not you or I personally) to assign the intelligent self-interest of people to maintain that society as an ethos then the theory of evolution including "survival of the fittest" is in perfect agreement twith that ethos.
BTW Idiots that blame Darwin for the NAZIs would be just as logical to blame Newton for using the theory of gravity to drop bombs.
captusa
October 2nd, 2009, 4:04 pm
Originally Posted by Physics Hunter
ah... I make my living as a multi-degreed scientist and engineer, but I do believe in Creation until disproved. So please choose one insult while I go back to being cold and reasonable.
Evolution does not exclude divine direction or as a modus operandi for God originating species.
Does your belief in Creation completely coincide with the Garden of Eden scenario ?
If so, then it the amount of evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.
freemind
October 2nd, 2009, 5:26 pm
ah... I make my living as a multi-degreed scientist and engineer, but I do believe in Creation until disproved. So please choose one insult while I go back to being cold and reasonable.
Does not compute.
Creefer
October 2nd, 2009, 5:37 pm
How does one read an article entitled "Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"" then go on to start a thread called "Missing Link Found"???
You people baffle me sometimes.
captusa
October 2nd, 2009, 5:44 pm
Appopriately named: World's Most Useless Facts
.......20.) Prostates in men and dogs causes leg-lifting questions to arise.
......
http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre.facts.20.1164266.html
A) most of the statements say nothing.
B) the statement DOES NOT SAY THAT ONLY MEN AND DOGS HAVE
PROSTATES.
C) some of your other conclusions do not seem as bizaar as they seemed
before
Clintville
October 2nd, 2009, 7:01 pm
Even looking at the photos... the thumb is one piece strait and thick... No Joint? This would have been Non-functional. Also it is as thick as a tibia, fibia or femar? Another piece it together job to make the parts look like something that they are not. Every one of these finds has been shown to be false... This one will too!
And I am sure you are smarter than the scientific consensus.:rolleyes:
Clintville
October 2nd, 2009, 7:03 pm
Someone or something created the "Big Bang". Until proven otherwise that would be God. ;)
Unless the multiverse theory is correct.
chip
October 2nd, 2009, 7:33 pm
So according to National Geographic and most major news sources (including Fox) they found what they believe to be the missing link.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/10/091001-oldest-human-skeleton-ardi-missing-link-chimps-ardipithecus-ramidus.html
I looked for a link on Fox News to verify it cause i know none of ya'll trust NG, but it was buried in the SciTech section right under "New iPhone App Maps Your Sexual Exploits (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558460,00.html)".
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,558564,00.html
I know ya'll wont stand for this, why is it totally bunk?
Actually this disproves the "missing link" theory.
chip
October 2nd, 2009, 7:35 pm
Appopriately named: World's Most Useless Facts
1.) It is impossible to do this with your eyes open.
2.) That sunburn is so nine-minutes ago.
3.) Minnesota clamp.
4.) Campbells never thought of this.
5.) Give yourself 14 times a day to toot.
6.) Hairy spiders can outlive your dog.
7.) Barbie has a full name but Ken doesn't have a full body.
8.) Bells Nichols, from all reports listed, was not gay.
9.) Hundreds of years ago, only the rich had warm bottoms.
10.) Slime does not obstruct the four noses some garden pests have.
11.) Rapper LL Cool J is conceited.
12.) A jiffy isn't something you rip open to unveil popcorn.
13.) The USA town Ho-Ho-Kus probably has an ACORN office in it.
14.) Stroke your plant and it grows.
15.) 350 feet per second is how fast that stubbed toe let's you know.
16.) Lock your knees-- but make sure you're on soft grass.
17.) Hemorrhoids sat uncomfortably behind the desk in the Oval Office.
18.) Something grows from you which is 590 miles long.
19.) Women can flip the bird and not even be sensitive to it.
20.) Prostates in men and dogs causes leg-lifting questions to arise.
21.) Uranus has alot of moons.
22.) Tony the Tiger had sex.
23.) Need a lobotomy? Done while you're awake.
24.) A potato a day keeps the doctor away. Your taste buds won't care.
25.) You may be able to smell your chest.
26.) Cleopatra kept things in the family.
27.) Michelangelo had a long one.
28.) Drinking milk from a cow that drank snakeroot is an Abe Lincoln tale.
29.) Pooping bubbles, but don't chew ABSG.
30.) There's a baby in there! Flash a light to see it move!
31.) Kiss yourself to slimness.
32.) It took a psycho to make flushing movie-worthy.
33.) You probably stick a Baby Gay in your ears every day.
34.) Male goats like to pee on other male goats to attract...mates?
35.) Maine, it's the stick capital.
36.) Butt breathing, and you thought turtles were slow.
37.) Weed your lawn and empty your bladder more easily.
38.) Go on your desk, it's deserves it more than the restroom.
39.) 57 sheets to your bottom.
40.) "I smell dead people..."
41.) Unlucky in marriage? Marry a tree.
42.) Rabbits cause bad trips.
43.) ...and (hic) here's to Old Glory...
44.) Tie your girlfriend up before you marry her.
45.) Hairy cat bugs.
46.) Leeches suck, but they have many thoughts about it.
47.) Ferrets die for sex.
48.) Those aren't fleas in your bathing suit.
49.) Go fishing and break five hearts while doing so.
50.) And the largest human organ is....?
http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre.facts.20.1164266.html
How on earth did you get from that only human males and canine males have prostates?
:think:
markd
October 2nd, 2009, 10:40 pm
How does one read an article entitled "Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"" then go on to start a thread called "Missing Link Found"???
You people baffle me sometimes.
Give yourself a few thousand more posts. You get numb.
-American-
October 2nd, 2009, 10:56 pm
Except that there's no evidence of God's existence.
I disagree...
Clintville
October 3rd, 2009, 12:46 am
I disagree...
And what evidence would that be?
StoneScratcher
October 3rd, 2009, 6:29 am
Where did you read that dogs and humans were the only animals with a prostate ?
When you see a fact that doesn't make sense, check it elsewhere.
I was a fan of Wikipedia until a noticed too many errors.
An encyclopedia is defined as common knowledge but Wikipedia is too common.
It is still a great place to start to look for facts, just not the placve to end it.
If you click the link below, and go to number 20 in the slideshow it says that.
http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre...0.1164266.html (http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre.facts.20.1164266.html)
StoneScratcher
October 3rd, 2009, 6:34 am
A) most of the statements say nothing.
B) the statement DOES NOT SAY THAT ONLY MEN AND DOGS HAVE
PROSTATES.
C) some of your other conclusions do not seem as bizaar as they seemed
before
The 50 "re-interpreted" statements I posted are NOT the statements on the slideshow--did you read number 20 on this link? http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre...0.1164266.html (http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre...0.1164266.html)
Using what Creefer said:
How does one read an article entitled "Oldest "Human" Skeleton Found--Disproves "Missing Link"" then go on to start a thread called "Missing Link Found"???
You people baffle me sometimes.
Consider the 50 re-interpreted statements as a loose example of how supposed "facts" can be stated in different ways from the same "idea".
StoneScratcher
October 3rd, 2009, 6:39 am
How on earth did you get from that only human males and canine males have prostates?
:think:
I had read that only humans and dogs have prostates, (from link I provided), and, being a female with no brothers, no husband, and no males to ask probing questions about prostates, I thought...WOW! Who knew? And then with evolution, I was thinking: How did only men and dogs end up with prostates? So I posted that "supposed" fact I had read in the slideshow. Well, I was informed that men and dogs are not the only ones that have prostates--I still don't really know for sure. But if they did, the question was, basically--"How did men and dogs end up being the only animals with prostates" through evolution.
captusa
October 3rd, 2009, 1:23 pm
I had read that only humans and dogs have prostates, (from link I provided), and, being a female with no brothers, no husband, and no males to ask probing questions about prostates, I thought...WOW! Who knew? And then with evolution, I was thinking: How did only men and dogs end up with prostates? So I posted that "supposed" fact I had read in the slideshow. Well, I was informed that men and dogs are not the only ones that have prostates--I still don't really know for sure. But if they did, the question was, basically--"How did men and dogs end up being the only animals with prostates" through evolution.
I tried the link with no result.
Why don't you copy the #20 you're talking about.
AND my son is unmarried only child and I would be astonished if he believed a website that said only humans and dogs had overies.
Is this the statement to which you are referring:
20.) Prostates in men and dogs causes leg-lifting questions to arise. ?
natalie addict
October 3rd, 2009, 1:45 pm
The 50 "re-interpreted" statements I posted are NOT the statements on the slideshow--did you read number 20 on this link? http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre...0.1164266.html (http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre...0.1164266.html)
Using what Creefer said:
Consider the 50 re-interpreted statements as a loose example of how supposed "facts" can be stated in different ways from the same "idea".
So I was able to click the link and what number 20 said, with a picture of a man and a German Shepard, was
Dogs and humans are the only animals with prostates.
You can google "prostate mammanls" and get any number of links showing otherwise. Here's one...
Journal of Feline Medicine & Surgery : Adenocarcinoma of the ... (http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1098612X0800082X)
The prostate is an accessory sexual gland present in all male mammals. It is composed of two
chip
October 3rd, 2009, 2:04 pm
I had read that only humans and dogs have prostates, (from link I provided),
Theres nothing in that link that claims that.
StoneScratcher
October 3rd, 2009, 3:32 pm
Theres nothing in that link that claims that.
Thank you Natalie.
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61993511&postcount=72
captusa
October 3rd, 2009, 5:30 pm
Theres nothing in that link that claims that.
I found it too.
It wouldn't load when I tried earlier.
http://wcbstv.com/slideshows/bizarre.facts.20.1164266.html
Of course it proves "Don't believe everything you read."
natalie addict
October 3rd, 2009, 7:03 pm
For those of you so inclined, the Discovery channel will be running a 2 hour program about this discovery on Sunday night Oct 11 at 9pm eastern. I saw the commercial for it whilst watching the Mythbusters pack of pyromaniacs blow stuff up.