Sen graham rips into beck

[old guy]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

[CaptainCrunch]

I'll vote democrat before I'll vote for Lindsey Graham.

Just show us the Birth Certificate, why's that so hard?

[Mojotiger]

I'll vote democrat before I'll vote for Lindsey Graham.



I did vote Democrat instead of Graham. Would do it again, and I don't even watch Beck.

[MustangGT]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

At last there's someone in the Republican Party who's willing to stand up and call the kooks crazy. 'Bout time!

Edit to add: I wonder what the chances are that Beck's going to cry at some point because of what Graham said (while going on at great length about his love for America, of course).

[Backwoods]

At last there's someone in the Republican Party who's willing to stand up and call the kooks crazy. 'Bout time!
He never called Obama and Pelosio crazy.

[Adlerian Thinker]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

That would actually be 'antithetical', and shows that Graham doesn't listen to Beck, or watch his shows.

I would also conclude you don't either.

[Adlerian Thinker]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

I would also add that Beck only need to point to the popularity polls and say to Graham, "SCOREBOARD!"

[croupier101]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.

[Adlerian Thinker]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right.

I've never been able to accept the word of a liberal on the credibility of the right.

[croupier101]

I've never been able to accept the word of a liberal on the credibility of the right.

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

"Can you imagine doing D-Day with cable television?" he asked. "Can you imagine writing the Constitution -- you know, O'Reilly says Ben Franklin's giving in on something. Can you imagine having to do that in this environment?"




Wow, he nailed that part.

[Iggy]

Grahamnesty is a *****. He's just hoping to score points with the leftists.

[DougBH]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

What the heck is wrong with South Carolina, anyway?

[Maelstrom]

At last there's someone in the Republican Party who's willing to stand up and call the kooks crazy. 'Bout time!

Edit to add: I wonder what the chances are that Beck's going to cry at some point because of what Graham said (while going on at great length about his love for America, of course).

It's a damned shame that nothing Graham said is premised upon any available fact.

[DougBH]

He never called Obama and Pelosio crazy.

So what. Boris Karloff was the same way. They're all craaaazy.

[croupier101]

It's a damned shame that nothing Graham said is premised upon any available fact.

he's a conservative, what do you expect.

[Dr BloodMoney]

Grahamnesty is a *****. He's just hoping to score points with the leftists.

And he needs those points for?????

[Maelstrom]

he's a conservative, what do you expect.

Is that why he supported amnesty for illegal aliens?

[B' en Natuf]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.1. Good thing Beck ain't a birther.
2. The only people who's credibility gets killed when he's involved seems to be the ones he's exposing.
3. And no, I don't agree with him all the time, in fact, except in his crusade against the rampant corruption of this administration, I disagree with him a lot.

[Bluenose177]

people are so ****ing stupid its unbelievable..

Beck has stated on numerous occasions that if anyone wants to silence him or dent his ratings, then report the stories he's been covering, debunk the stuff he's stated about Van Jones, Sunstein, Holdren, Jarrett, Obama, Ayers, Jeff Jones, ACORN, TIDES etc etc..

so what do they keep doing?

calling him names, making fun of him for crying, calling him an alcoholic (which he acknowledges he is) and generally giving him airtime when he's not on air..But I've yet to see anyone debunk what he's said about the above names..

[B' en Natuf]

BTW, thnx for reminding why I detest G(r)ayham.

[RETXED]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread


Senator Graham just needs to take the final step and change over to the Democrat party. The damage this guy has done is unbelievable.

Hey Lindsey (Girl name BTW) GO AWAY. We don't want you.

[TRIMS713]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

Beck is probably too cynical when he puts all R's and D's in the same basket as well as putting down practically every politician living today with very few exceptions. However, he's right on target when it comes to the current state of the democratic party. Knowingly or unknowingly they are doing things that are seriously damaging this country.

[croupier101]

I am personally appalled by Sen. Graham's mockery of Glenn Beck's tears. It's not easy to shed so many fake tears. Believe me, it takes skill.

Sen. Graham's remarks profoundly offend me. In fact, I have no choice but to cry. TO CRY!! Let us all cry like babies in solidarity with Glenn Beck.

:)) :)) Nice.

[Backwoods]

I've never been able to accept the word of a liberal on the credibility of the right.
I've never been able to accept it period.

[RETXED]

he's a conservative, what do you expect.

No he isn't.

[avergbear]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.

I’m just wondering….

What does someone on the right have to do to be "credible" to a liberal? Agree with you?

At least to me, that sounds counter intuitive.

[animalnut]

And he needs those points for?????

He's attached to the hip of McCain, like a leech. We call him Lindsay Grahamnesty in SC.

[croupier101]

I’m just wondering….

What does someone on the right have to do to be "credible" to a liberal? Agree with you?

Nope.

George Will, he is credible. Bill Krystol is credible. Iggy is credible. They don't have to agree with me, just not lie and make up lies. Some conservatives can be conservative and tell the truth, some conservatives need to lie for either fame, money, or just to make a counter argument.

[blackcatrun]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread


He is a senater with extremely low approval numbers...proof senaters don't live in reality.

[monkeymom]

At last there's someone in the Republican Party who's willing to stand up and call the kooks crazy. 'Bout time!

Edit to add: I wonder what the chances are that Beck's going to cry at some point because of what Graham said (while going on at great length about his love for America, of course).

I agree with Graham on the birther issue - although I think his rhetoric was a bit strong.

As for Beck being a cynic - he's dead wrong. There is a vast difference between someone who has legitimate concerns based on fact, and someone who is a cynic (as defined by my dictionary - "a person who believes others are motivated purely by self-interest").

And Graham and others can make fun of Beck for crying all they like - it just makes them look more silly than the person they poke fun at.

[Buffalo]

Beck should thank him.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Grahamnesty is a *****. He's just hoping to score points with the leftists.
How could you say that??? Did you see him go after Sotomeyer?



Oh wait. Never mind.

[JQR]

Good for Sen. Graham, it's about time someone in the GOP stands up to that nut.

[avergbear]

How about making a rational argument? For example, if you oppose universal health care, what do you propose as an alternative and what convincing reason is there to endorse that alternative?

Providing a substantive answer to that question would be one way of earning credibility. On the other hand, incessant whining and complaining for no purpose other than to reinstate tried and failed conservative ideas is the fastest way to ensure that the credibility you never achieved remains entirely beyond your reach.

You obviously know not of what you speak, and altering someone else’s post to make it appear to have a different meaning is a violation of TOS.

[gloucon]

Graham got exactly what he wanted: we're talking about Graham, his favorite subject.

The talk should have been titled:

Why's everyone talking about Beck, don't you know I'm Lindsey Graham?

We need to get him on a stage with BHO and watch the ego's implode in self importance.

[Backwoods]

Good for Sen. Graham, it's about time someone in the GOP stands up to that nut.
I love when Liberals give the GOP advice.

[avergbear]

Nope.

George Will, he is credible. Bill Krystol is credible. Iggy is credible. They don't have to agree with me, just not lie and make up lies. Some conservatives can be conservative and tell the truth, some conservatives need to lie for either fame, money, or just to make a counter argument.

Oh, please tell us of these lies.

Perhaps you can give us an example or two?

[croupier101]

Oh, please tell us of these lies.

Perhaps you can give us an example or two?

He just lied today about In God We Trust being off all the coins.

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1668051

[fjccommish]

"
But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right"

Sorry pal, but the play in your playbook that says "keep harping that the Republican party has been too far right" won't work. You're getting sacked every time.

The R party ran a moderate moderate McCain, he lost. The R problem has been moving too far left. Graham is an example of the problem.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

I can't tell if you're trying to be funny.
With what part? You did alter his quote, which is against the TOS.

[johnrocks]

I did vote Democrat instead of Graham. Would do it again, and I don't even watch Beck.

I liked ol' Flat Top Bob, I so wish he'd kicked Graham's ass.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

I have to say, Beck lost a lot of points with me after his embrace of Ron Paul.

I'm not sure that he isn't just playing into his whole "libertarian" leader status.

Ron Paul = yuk

Maybe that is what go the "R" fired up to begin with.

[Mojotiger]

I liked ol' Flat Top Bob, I so wish he'd kicked Graham's ass.

Not in this state, unfortunately....

The only way to get Graham out is in the primaries with Strom Thurmond on the ballot.

[johnrocks]

Beck should thank him.

No doubt,lol. Guys like Graham controlling the GOP is what makes the GOP so damn unattractive. Hell, the Democrats should thank Graham and his kind for ruining the GOP.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Again, I can't tell if you're trying to be a clown or not.
Let me spell it out for you then.

Edit your post, or risk a problem with the mods.

That clear enough for you?

[coolidge]

Lindsey Graham's luke warm discussions has no place in the GOP, he needs to follow Arlen Spector and come out and say that he is a democrat his values certainly reflect such.

[TonkaTim]

No doubt,lol. Guys like Graham controlling the GOP is what makes the GOP so damn unattractive. Hell, the Democrats should thank Graham and his kind for ruining the GOP.

He'll probably be the 2012 Presidential nominee to garauntee BO re-election.

[Buffalo]

No doubt,lol. Guys like Graham controlling the GOP is what makes the GOP so damn unattractive. Hell, the Democrats should thank Graham and his kind for ruining the GOP.
If anything, Graham's comments only got him more viewers.

[TonkaTim]

No doubt,lol. Guys like Graham controlling the GOP is what makes the GOP so damn unattractive. Hell, the Democrats should thank Graham and his kind for ruining the GOP.

It is not ALL his fault, but Pansey Graham is darn sure a symptom of the problems in the republican party.

[johnrocks]

If anything, Graham's comments only got him more viewers.

I may watch it this evening just to show some support, or at least my distain for Linday. I think I like Reid and Pelosi more than I do him, at least I KNOW their agenda and people know they are liberal, Graham goes around calling himself a "conservative" and then goes on national tv supporting the nationalization of banks, I wouldn't **** on that SOB if he was on fire.

[johnrocks]

It is not ALL his fault, but Pansey Graham is darn sure a symptom of the problems in the republican party.

touche', that's why I stated "guys like him";)

[TRIMS713]

I have to say, Beck lost a lot of points with me after his embrace of Ron Paul.

I'm not sure that he isn't just playing into his whole "libertarian" leader status.

Ron Paul = yuk

Maybe that is what go the "R" fired up to begin with.

Glenn Beck is doing a great job but he's going to lose credibility if he continues to put R's and D's on the same level. We all critisized guys like McCain and Graham but to put them on the same level as the socialists now in power is idiotic. Anyone who does that is either a Paulbot,a fool or a liar----it's that simple.

[LibHunter]

Beck's been doing a hell of a job exposing the corruption of the Democratic Party and the Obama Administration. It's understandable why liberals like Graham fear him so much.

[Frazzled]

Glenn Beck is doing a great job but he's going to lose credibility if he continues to put R's and D's on the same level. We all critisized guys like McCain and Graham but to put them on the same level as the socialists now in power is idiotic. Anyone who does that is either a Paulbot,a fool or a liar----it's that simple.

Until the R's draw a line in the sand and quit worrying about how they will look to the crowd inside of the beltway, they aren't of much more use to me than the liberal D's.

[Greyghost]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.

The right's credibility is not being destroyed, what is happening is all of the pretend conservatives are being outed. I love how you liberals foam at the mouth when any conservative makes one comment about another conservative and try to play it off as proof that the conservatives are wrong, but it is you who are in fact wrong.

[Mohawk5]

Who the hell cares what this RINO has to say!

[Wildbil546]

Why is this news? Beck rips the republicans all the time.

[Freep]

This quote from Graham stands out to me


"Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party. He is aligned with cynicism and there has always been a market for cynics. But we became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers."


Every big government socialist program is costing orders of magnitude greater than projected... and the "trust funds" are invariably robbed by the same politicians... The politicians lie and break even those promises that should be easy to keep --- such as transparency. Why should anyone believe anything coming out of Washington???

Linsey hopes we are a nation stupid enough to believe the ******** he and the other Washington crooks push!

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Glenn Beck is doing a great job but he's going to lose credibility if he continues to put R's and D's on the same level. We all critisized guys like McCain and Graham but to put them on the same level as the socialists now in power is idiotic. Anyone who does that is either a Paulbot,a fool or a liar----it's that simple.

Yes, he's doing great in many regards, however, I think he is starting to feel empowered somehow and is going down the wrong path.

[Electromyographical Alien]

I don't think that using Lindsay Graham as a person of argument against conservative commentators is exactly a good idea.

I mean, in the values of conservatism, Graham is not a figurehead by any means. Not that Beck is necessarily either, but Graham is far far removed from anything conservative.

[DaveKlassix]

Grahamnesty is a *****. He's just hoping to score points with the leftists.


:clap:

Congrats libs, you have a new hero.

[TRIMS713]

Yes, he's doing great in many regards, however, I think he is starting to feel empowered somehow and is going down the wrong path.
I want him to keep on speaking out passionately and boldly, the country desperately needs guys like Beck but there's ways of critisizing the moderates in the party without demonizing the whole party. Bashing everyone in the Party will only guarantee One Party Socialst Rule for decades to come and it will destroy this country. The idea is to REFORM the Republican Party, not destroy it.

[Trip]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

It would be nice except for last year's election results having to do with wars on two fronts, two hurricanes, the worst terrorist attack on US soil, and an economic collapse, acting as if the election were against GW Bush, and Obama lying to the electorate about being a moderate and actually having any regard for this country.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

I want him to keep on speaking out passionately and boldly, the country desperately needs guys like Beck but there's ways of critisizing the moderates in the party without demonizing the whole party. Bashing everyone in the Party will only guarantee One Party Socialst Rule for decades to come and it will destroy this country. The idea is to REFORM the Republican Party, not destroy it.
I originally thought that was his goal, but now I'm starting to wonder if he has his eye on being some sort of leader of the libertarian movement. (He claims on his show he is a libertarian and not a republican...) Unfortunately it will just split the conservatives into two parts.

[akarra]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

More Republicans really need to stand up against the craziness and not accept "they do it too" as a line of argument. I don't like huffpo and am not visiting your link, but thanks for the info.

First, I want to get rid of the crazies on the Right. Then liberalism has to be made far more moderate in a hurry: their extremism definitely contributed to the climate we have now, where "the best lack all conviction / while the worst are full of passionate intensity."

[jimjames418]

Nope.

George Will, he is credible. Bill Krystol is credible. Iggy is credible. They don't have to agree with me, just not lie and make up lies. Some conservatives can be conservative and tell the truth, some conservatives need to lie for either fame, money, or just to make a counter argument.
Then why don't you list some of the lies and untruths that Beck has shown rather than attack the man. Either you can't show any lies he has presented, or your proof would do even more damage to the subject.

There is a reason the mods on this board say "attack the message, not the messagner".

[Iggy]

All Grahamnesty wants is a new media hero title, so let me be the first to usher him into his new era...

Maverick.

[Mempho]

Graham is a hard-core NWO man.

[zantax]

Graham, piffle

[MustangGT]

Who the hell cares what this RINO has to say!

Apparently everyone.

[TheModerateOne]

I don't think that using Lindsay Graham as a person of argument against conservative commentators is exactly a good idea.

I mean, in the values of conservatism, Graham is not a figurehead by any means. Not that Beck is necessarily either, but Graham is far far removed from anything conservative.

To the left, Graham IS a right winger.

[opsyscw]

Hmmm .. is this a pre-emptive attack from Graham?

Does Beck have something on him he doesn't like?

[old guy]

please continue to rip on graham. drive him out of the gop. at the rate the right seems to want to kick out the so called rinos instead of 40 gop seats they will be down to 20 in no time

[TheModerateOne]

please continue to rip on graham. drive him out of the gop. at the rate the right seems to want to kick out the so called rinos instead of 40 gop seats they will be down to 20 in no time

I am, or was, one of these so-called "RINOs" and left of my own volition. One thing I know about Senator Graham is that liberals treat him just like they treat military generals - if he says something they agree with, he's the greatest thing since sliced bread and an example for everyone. If he says something liberals don't agree with, he's ignorant, a good ole boy, and a hater. It's false praise. That's what's worth the ridicule.

[blackcatrun]

please continue to rip on graham. drive him out of the gop. at the rate the right seems to want to kick out the so called rinos instead of 40 gop seats they will be down to 20 in no time

It nice to see liberals being so happy ushering in a commuinist government.

[TRIMS713]

I originally thought that was his goal, but now I'm starting to wonder if he has his eye on being some sort of leader of the libertarian movement. (He claims on his show he is a libertarian and not a republican...) Unfortunately it will just split the conservatives into two parts.
I hear ya,I know exactly what you're saying. To be fair to Beck,he has every right to promote whoever he wants to promote. With that being said, you're exactly right, it will hurt,not help the conservative cause if he officially comes out and calls for a third party movement.

Fortunately,though he knocks mostly everyone in the Republican Party, he's FAR different than the Paulbots who post on this website. The great majority of his passionate critisism is aimed at Obama and the dems in Congress,not Republicans. If one were to read all the posts on this website by Paulbots, one would think the R's are the true socialsts and the dems are just a side show. Again, Beck is far different in that respect.

[XDEM]

Originally Posted by Belgian Beer http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=61891701#post61891701)
I am personally appalled by Sen. Graham's mockery of Glenn Beck's tears. It's not easy to shed so many fake tears. Believe me, it takes skill.

It's easy for a pro like Bill (Are the cameras on me?) Clinton to do.

[PeterGriffin]

Graham has lifetime conservative rating of 90.2%. If that's a RINO, you're not a member of a political party, you're a conservative cultist that demands complete and total ideological purity.

[PredFan]

At last there's someone in the Republican Party who's willing to stand up and call the kooks crazy. 'Bout time!

Edit to add: I wonder what the chances are that Beck's going to cry at some point because of what Graham said (while going on at great length about his love for America, of course).

What kook did she talk about. You cannot be referring to Beck. He backs up everything he says. Definately NOT a kook. He just burns liberal butts on a regular basis and you guys don't like it so you call him names.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

Given that the left has lost numerous elections, that isn't a valid criterion of credibility.

Tony Dungy lost quite a few ball games in his day. Doesn't mean he isn't credible when it comes to winning games.

So no, I won't take your word for it.

I might if you actually analyzed your party.

[johnrocks]

Graham has lifetime conservative rating of 90.2%. If that's a RINO, you're not a member of a political party, you're a conservative cultist that demands complete and total ideological purity.

He's a neo conservative's dream come true, why you think I can't stand him and he doesn't like libertarian Glen Beck.

[Blindeye101]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

Are we going to count the dead who voted again?

[PeterGriffin]

He's a neo conservative's dream come true, why you think I can't stand him and he doesn't like libertarian Glen Beck.

The TARP praising Beck a libertarian? Don't think so. Glibertarian maybe. He's much closer to Bircher than libertarian, but in reality he is just an all over the road populist.

[jprin]

The TARP praising Beck a libertarian? Don't think so. Glibertarian maybe. He's much closer to Bircher than libertarian, but in reality he is just an all over the road populist.

I noticed that, too. And couldn't figure out how someone gaining more and more fame with conservatives by crying on air when crying is supposed to be reserved for liberals and a sure sign of emotion over logic and truth.

[BigBear]

Grahamnesty is a *****. He's just hoping to score points with the leftists.
It's so weird when someone talks common sense and gets called names by the conservatarians for his trouble.

[YouLost_ThatIsAll]

Is that why he supported amnesty for illegal aliens?
all of a sudden its against conservative principles to follow in reagan's footsteps?

[spearmaster]

At last there's someone in the Republican Party who's willing to stand up and call the kooks crazy. 'Bout time!

Edit to add: I wonder what the chances are that Beck's going to cry at some point because of what Graham said (while going on at great length about his love for America, of course).

This says a lot about Lindsey Graham, he is just like McCain. BTW Mustang, when do you plan on starting calling out the kooks on the left? Since you're all about kooks being called crazy.

[spearmaster]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

Or grab a copy of the daily tracking poll and Obama's current job disapproval rating.

[spearmaster]

he's a conservative, what do you expect.

He's not a conservative.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I originally thought that was his goal, but now I'm starting to wonder if he has his eye on being some sort of leader of the libertarian movement. (He claims on his show he is a libertarian and not a republican...) Unfortunately it will just split the conservatives into two parts.

I think there is going to be a whole lot of Republicans that turn on Beck the more he pushes libertarianism. Funny how that works.

[Roberts_the_man]

Nope.

George Will, he is credible. Bill Krystol is credible. Iggy is credible. They don't have to agree with me, just not lie and make up lies. Some conservatives can be conservative and tell the truth, some conservatives need to lie for either fame, money, or just to make a counter argument.

Who lied Graham or GB ?????????????????

Since you have made no bones you're backing Graham in this thread ....

Van Jones ?

ACORN ?

Etc. ?


:)) :)) :))

[johnrocks]

I think there is going to be a whole lot of Republicans that turn on Beck the more he pushes libertarianism. Funny how that works.

You may be right but he may gain enough support to offset it. There is one thing though that Mom mentioned about him splitting the vote, he don't split votes, issues separates libertarian leaning people with the cons that control the GOP, not people.

[Maelstrom]

It's so weird when someone talks common sense and gets called names by the conservatarians for his trouble.

Common sense doesn't fly in the face of available facts, nor does it presume facts that are not in existence.

This idiot did both.

[Blindeye101]

I think there is going to be a whole lot of Republicans that turn on Beck the more he pushes libertarianism. Funny how that works.

What are you talking about?
Beck is a libertarian.
He does not care who likes him.

[Maelstrom]

all of a sudden its against conservative principles to follow in reagan's footsteps?

Following in Reagan's footsteps would mean that the one time that Amnesty was performed would be the *ONLY* time Amnesty was performed.

Doing it *again* after pre-conditioning amnesty on it being a one-time deal is as anti-Reagan as it gets.

No, he wasn't following in Reagan's footsteps. He was ******** on the legitimate population of America...and that would include legitimate naturalized citizens.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

What are you talking about?
Beck is a libertarian.
He does not care who likes him.

I said "pushes". And haven't you been reading all the posts in this thread?

[Jacksmyname]

Following in Reagan's footsteps would mean that the one time that Amnesty was performed would be the *ONLY* time Amnesty was performed.

Doing it *again* after pre-conditioning amnesty on it being a one-time deal is as anti-Reagan as it gets.

No, he wasn't following in Reagan's footsteps. He was ******** on the legitimate population of America...and that would include legitimate naturalized citizens.


I'll add that in later years, Reagan said that signing the amnesty bill was one of his biggest mistakes.

[Maelstrom]

I'll add that in later years, Reagan said that signing the amnesty bill was one of his biggest mistakes.

...and he was right about THAT too.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I'll add that in later years, Reagan said that signing the amnesty bill was one of his biggest mistakes.

Yeah, but he still did it. I don't think any Presidents get mulligans.

[jawstenn]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

Last years election results are.......I just can't say it without possibly being banned.

I just don't understand this "entitlement" attitude people have.

Let me just say that Obama is the most inexperienced and incapable person ever elected to office.

[Roberts_the_man]

I think there is going to be a whole lot of Republicans that turn on Beck the more he pushes libertarianism. Funny how that works.


Graham is just ticked because GB rained on McCain's parade.


I don't agree with everything he says but I got to say he is calling attention to corruption in government and has done so for both sides and that includes Bush .

He's calling for people to realize that BOTH parties are playing all the people for fools...

I used to be a Dem until McGovern ...

I used to be a R before this election cycle !

Both parties leaderships nationally have moved to the left, both have their fair share of criminals (Although I still think the balance leans very heavily to the Dem side with ACORN and the Marxist doofs that are in the administration now. ) and hypocrits
and neither party at least at the national level seems to be worth voting for
( Except Palin because she at least seems genuinely engaged in wanting to promote consevative values. McCain , Graham, etc.... What a joke ! ) .

He also wants to end the partisan finger pointing towards the other party's corruption and instead recommends that the parties clean up the corruption w/in their own party first.

Perhaps Graham can now get some light shed on his career ???????

[jawstenn]

Nope.

George Will, he is credible. Bill Krystol is credible. Iggy is credible. They don't have to agree with me, just not lie and make up lies. Some conservatives can be conservative and tell the truth, some conservatives need to lie for either fame, money, or just to make a counter argument.

OK I'll bite....name a lie. Just one specifically attributed.

[Roberts_the_man]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

Yes exposing corruption is antithetical to American values ! :))

This and the conservatives killed the census worker thread are your best work I've seen so far ! :rolleyes:

[Maelstrom]

Yeah, but he still did it. I don't think any Presidents get mulligans.

Which is utterly irrelevant, as his disavowal of the act makes it something wholly apart from what we consider "Reaganesque".

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

You may be right but he may gain enough support to offset it. There is one thing though that Mom mentioned about him splitting the vote, he don't split votes, issues separates libertarian leaning people with the cons that control the GOP, not people.
Issues...not people. Huh?

There is a fantastic overlap in views of limited government and views on the system as a Republic. We do share a love of the Constitution, not as an antiquated document that libs like to mock.

That being said, John, if people want to split apart on the other issues that vary between the GOP and the Libertarian movement, than the conservatives will be torn in two directions. It only hurts conservatives overall.

Before someone feels a need to point out the obvious, I do understand that the representatives don't act like conservative Republicans that are in the R party right now. I already know that.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Which is utterly irrelevant, as his disavowal of the act makes it something wholly apart from what we consider "Reaganesque".

I'm not sure how it's irrelevant. And I'm a Reagan fan.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Yes exposing corruption is antithetical to American values ! :))

This and the conservatives killed the census worker thread are your best work I've seen so far ! :rolleyes:

Hmmm. I never opened that thread. I figured it would be nonsense. Sounds like I was right. ;)

[johnrocks]

Issues...not people. Huh?

There is a fantastic overlap in views of limited government and views on the system as a Republic. We do share a love of the Constitution, not as an antiquated document that libs like to mock.

That being said, John, if people want to split apart on the other issues that vary between the GOP and the Libertarian movement, than the conservatives will be torn in two directions. It only hurts conservatives overall.

Before someone feels a need to point out the obvious, I do understand that the representatives don't act like conservative Republicans that are in the R party right now. I already know that.

Mom, you weren't here 2 years ago but most conservatives have stated;very adamantly; that they would NOT support someone like Ron Paul, because of ONE issue, ONE and that is foreign policy so please don't think it's just us libertarian leaning people who are refusing to bulge, you find a compromise with foreign policy that you and I can agree on then I'm all ears.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Mom, you weren't here 2 years ago but most conservatives have stated;very adamantly; that they would NOT support someone like Ron Paul, because of ONE issue, ONE and that is foreign policy so please don't think it's just us libertarian leaning people who are refusing to bulge, you find a compromise with foreign policy that you and I can agree on then I'm all ears.

I was here two years ago. And this be true.

[Maelstrom]

I'm not sure how it's irrelevant. And I'm a Reagan fan.

"Following in the footsteps of Reagan" only includes repeating his mistakes if you hate the man and what he represented.

[JohnRandolph]

Since Graham is nothing more than an empty headed ventriloquist's dummy the thread title should be:
Sen. McCain rips into Beck.

Anyhow, it's a non issue, Graham has no credibility anyway

[TRIMS713]

He's not a conservative.

Speaking of who's a conservative,moderate,liberal etc. I was just on the Project Vote Smart website. This is a fantastic site for anyone who really wants to educate and inform themselves on the 535 members of congress. They record how each member of the House and Senate has voted over the years on every conceivable issue.

The most conservative Senator is Jim DeMint of South Carolina who scored a 94 on a scale of 0-100. The most liberal Senator (when he was in the Senate) was none other than our esteemed leader, Barack Hussein Obama who scored a whopping 4.5, making him not only the most liberal Senator but the most far-left member of Congress, he was dead last out of the 535 total.

His 4.5 rating was even lower than Bernie Sanders who is a registered Socialist. Sanders was rated at 6.3 on the scale.

[Roberts_the_man]

Hmmm. I never opened that thread. I figured it would be nonsense. Sounds like I was right. ;)

Yup it was a doozy ! :))

[old guy]

i love how someone who consistently scores in the 80's on conservative issues (from the project vote smart site) is called not a conservative or a rino. i guess if your vote against th econs once your no longer in the club

[johnrocks]

i love how someone who consistently scores in the 80's on conservative issues (from the project vote smart site) is called not a conservative or a rino. i guess if your vote against th econs once your no longer in the club

Have you ever looked at the questions at the American Conservative Union, it is very neo/social conservative slanted, I detest both ideologies so no, I don't consider them conservative, I consider them thieves who stole the name conservative.

[BillyBobUSA]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread


Graham is a RINO's RINO.

It's amazing he pulled his head out of McCains posterior long enough to breathe fresh air and then comment on anything.

[BillyBobUSA]

Have you ever looked at the questions at the American Conservative Union, it is very neo/social conservative slanted, I detest both ideologies so no, I don't consider them conservative, I consider them thieves who stole the name conservative.

Huh?

Abe Lincoln, Robert Taft, Russel Kirk, Ronald Reagan and many many more CONSERVATIVES were conservative well before your dady had that gleem in his eye that brought you into this world.

Consider whatever you want; make yourself master of the universe in a nutshell for all the rest of humanity cares.

[jbPurdue]

I love Glenn Beck, he's got a lot (notice I didn't say all) of the right wing up in a tizzy of love and passion and he's just banking and banking from his hysterical crazy lunatic character (yessir character).

Keith Blubberman wishes he could get people up in arms as much as Beck, its so $$$.

[DDawg]

I did vote Democrat instead of Graham. Would do it again, and I don't even watch Beck.

I commend you ... Grahamnisty is another, that would serve the GOP best to finally switch sides ...Like a few other RINOs have done ... There is no room in the GOP for RINOs ... that is why I am no longer a registerd REPUBLICAN.

The Party has moved away from my values and beliefs.

[johnrocks]

Huh?

Abe Lincoln, Robert Taft, Russel Kirk, Ronald Reagan and many many more CONSERVATIVES were conservative well before your dady had that gleem in his eye that brought you into this world.

Consider whatever you want; make yourself master of the universe in a nutshell for all the rest of humanity cares.

Robert Taft was not a neo/social con, I only wish the majority in the GOP were more like Robert A. "Mr. Republican" Taft and Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater, a man who was a mere State Senator 60 months ago might not be POTUS now if this were true.

[johnrocks]

And Abe Lincoln was NOTHING to me and Reagan was a huge FDR/Truman supporter so;even though I voted for "Dutch"(did a school paper on him while he was still former Governor Reagan instead of President or former President Reagan), he had his flaws and he was far from a Goldwater or Taft.

[TRIMS713]

Robert Taft was not a neo/social con, I only wish the majority in the GOP were more like Robert A. "Mr. Republican" Taft and Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater, a man who was a mere State Senator 60 months ago might not be POTUS now if this were true.

LOL---Let me get this straight----you named 2 people out of the thousands of Republicans that served in the House,Senate and WH in the last 100 years. So I assume all those thousands of Republicans were either RINOS or Neocons. TWO true conservatives,make that 4, we'll throw in Ron Paul and Bill Barr. It's amazing America became the most powerful,prosperous nation in the history of mankind with only 4 true conservatives. ROFLMAO

[johnrocks]

LOL---Let me get this straight----you named 2 people out of the thousands of Republicans that served in the House,Senate and WH in the last 100 years. So I assume all those thousands of Republicans were either RINOS or Neocons. TWO true conservatives,make that 4, we'll throw in Ron Paul and Bill Barr. It's amazing America became the most powerful,prosperous nation in the history of mankind with only 4 true conservatives. ROFLMAO

I was referring to what BillyBob had written, not the entire GOP but it is amazing that we when talk about the GOP and it being a "big tent" when discussing the likes of Pro Choice and gun control advocate Guillini but when folks like Paul and Barr are mentioned, we get a...... ROFLMAO:think:

[chico53]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.

Credibility never was the issue. It was simple, old-fashioned bitterness by the right for losing the election. Beck is feeding into it and his followers are lapping it up lock, stock and barrel. Graham is smart enough to realize this is a recipe for absolute, guaranteed election failure.

[TRIMS713]

I was referring to what BillyBob had written, not the entire GOP but it is amazing that we when talk about the GOP and it being a "big tent" when discussing the likes of Pro Choice and gun control advocate Guillini but when folks like Paul and Barr are mentioned, we get a...... ROFLMAO:think:

LOL----Of course you're going to get the ROFLMAO's---you're not addressing how this country became the greatest nation in the history of mankind with so many RINOS and Neocons in the Republican Party. Many thousands of people who held office in DC had to be doing something right for that to happen. If guys like Ron Paul and Bill Barr are to be taken seriously on a national scale it's up to THEM to win over a majority of the electorate,not you----- they certainly had their chance and they haven't done that or even come remotely close.
If I lived in Ron' Paul's district I'd vote for him. I'd also take him over any democrat in a House or Senate race---but I'd never even consider him on a Presidential ticket for various reasons.

The Republican Party is on it's way back,it's demise has been greatly exagerated,it's certainly not going away,in fact it will be back bigtime in November of 2010. It will be a much stronger and better Party and it will be much more fiscally responsable. I fully expect a CONSERVATIVE to lead it. That leader will emerge by 2012-----I have absolutely no doubt of that happening.

[Adlerian Thinker]

Credibility never was the issue. It was simple, old-fashioned bitterness by the right for losing the election. Beck is feeding into it and his followers are lapping it up lock, stock and barrel. Graham is smart enough to realize this is a recipe for absolute, guaranteed election failure.

:))

[tnt]

Let's see...Powell, buchanan, paul, and that guy who was the WH spokesperson....move over under that bus. Make room for Graham.

[rodlang]

I am not a Beck fan. Reminds me of Olbermann or Schultz...all clowns.

[skprtod914]

The surest way to win points in the mind of the left: trash conservative pundits. Few things anger me more than people in public debate who viciously attack those who are on their side. This sure required tough principle on Graham's part (not).

[mboncher]

The GOP needs to throw this dinglefritz out of the party. Let him come out of the closet and be the Democrat he truly identifies with.

[tnt]

LOL----Of course you're going to get the ROFLMAO's---you're not addressing how this country became the greatest nation in the history of mankind with so many RINOS and Neocons in the Republican Party. Many thousands of people who held office in DC had to be doing something right for that to happen. If guys like Ron Paul and Bill Barr are to be taken seriously on a national scale it's up to THEM to win over a majority of the electorate,not you----- they certainly had their chance and they haven't done that or even come remotely close.
If I lived in Ron' Paul's district I'd vote for him. I'd also take him over any democrat in a House or Senate race---but I'd never even consider him on a Presidential ticket for various reasons.

The Republican Party is on it's way back,it's demise has been greatly exagerated,it's certainly not going away,in fact it will be back bigtime in November of 2010. It will be a much stronger and better Party and it will be much more fiscally responsable. I fully expect a CONSERVATIVE to lead it. That leader will emerge by 2012-----I have absolutely no doubt of that happening.


What's your definition of a neo-con?


America got to where we are because of an abundance of resources valued through out the years, production and our blossoming middle class.

[skprtod914]

I am not a Beck fan. Reminds me of Olbermann or Schultz...all clowns.

I'm not interested in listening or watching Beck, because I've heard he's extremely pessimistic. But I know he's on my side. Who's side is Graham on?

[mboncher]

I'm not interested in listening or watching Beck, because I've heard he's extremely pessimistic. But I know he's on my side. Who's side is Graham on?
Easy. His own. Personal power over all.

[rodlang]

I'm not interested in listening or watching Beck, because I've heard he's extremely pessimistic. But I know he's on my side. Who's side is Graham on?

He does like being on TV but as I recall, Graham was re-elected last year. So, he'll be around until 2014.

[skprtod914]

Easy. His own. Personal power over all.

I hope that isn't the case, I've had more faith in Graham recently. But if he's going to do the right thing, as Michael Steele did with Rush, he'd better do it soon. It especially angers me that Graham said this to "Washington elites", as the Huffington Post called it. Talk about a cowardly back-stab, pandering to Washington elites by throwing you're ally to the dogs. I wonder if Graham would be willing to say that to Beck in person.

[skprtod914]

He does like being on TV but as I recall, Graham was re-elected last year. So, he'll be around until 2014.

And that seems like a very unfortunate fact, right now.

[Roberts_the_man]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.

RINO Graham is only ticked that GB went after his RINO pal McCain . Boo hoo !


Sorry mods but I can't let the rest of this schlock go unchallenged !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate to burst your bubble Croup (Not really ! ) but ....

It's a pathetic grasp at straws to paint the "birther" movement as solely in the domain of the RW...

Just 2 examples :

BERG the first one to bring a lawsuit IS A DEMOCRAT and is a HILLARY SUPPORTER !

IT'S NOT a RACIALLY BASED issue because ALAN KEYES IS BLACK and is involved as a
plaintiff in one of the suits .

So what does this leave as a reason to press the issue ?????

The "birther" issue is actually constitutionally based !

AND of course Barry's constitutional eligibility is a non-issue and/or off limits because he posted a jpeg on the web ?????????????? :rolleyes:

Why spread the vast RW conspiracy theory ???????????????????

[skprtod914]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.

So you're praising Graham for doing what's easy.

[junkmanusf]

I don't see how disagreement among members of the same political party is a bad thing.

[skprtod914]

I don't see how disagreement among members of the same political party is a bad thing.

This isn't disagreement, junk. This is vicious attacks without acknowledgement of the target being on the attacker's side.

[junkmanusf]

This isn't disagreement, junk. This is vicious attacks without acknowledgement of the target being on the attacker's side.

If Beck attacked Graham in the same fashion I don't think anyone here would have a problem.

I don't think the viciousness of the attacks is the issue that most have.

[JohnRandolph]

I'm not interested in listening or watching Beck, because I've heard he's extremely pessimistic. But I know he's on my side. Who's side is Graham on?

Graham has only one point of view.
Whatever John McCain tells him it is.
He is a mouthpiece for statements that McCain does not want direct attribution for.

[ydaani]

Lindsey Graham calls Glenn Beck a cynic. Hmm. A cynic is "a person who believes others are motivated purely by self-interest."

In the same interview Graham says this "Only in America can you make that much money crying... He(Beck) is aligned with cynicism and there has always been a market for cynics."

Interesting. That seems like a fairly cynical take on Mr. Beck by the Senator.

[AHA]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.


lol It may have been last century's for the way things have been going for your guy lately. There's no time like the present Mr C., let's see what happens next month to see where we're heading... You act as though he won in a Nixon-Reagan like landslide, guess what, he didn't.

[skprtod914]

If Beck attacked Graham in the same fashion I don't think anyone here would have a problem.

I don't think the viciousness of the attacks is the issue that most have.

Well it is for me. When you're dealing with someone who is basically a political ally, one should temper their criticism and acknowledge that it is a friend you're dealing with. Graham did neither. And yes, it's wrong when conservative pundits are vicious also. I'm not a big Anne Coulter fan myself.

[Middy]

The title of these Sen. Graham quotes should be: "Senator Graham states the obvious."

But good for him for calling out the people on his side that are destroying the credibility of the right, specifically the birthers.


Goober Graham and McCain, the odd couple, are idiots, trying to reshape the Republican" party to conform to their "centrist" ideology. McCain, Goober and his old bunch of incompetents who ran his campaign were soundly rejected. If Palin wasn't his running mate, McCain would have suffered a much greater defeat. She was the one who attracted the crowds; not him.

I have a feeling they won't get too far.

[Middy]

I'm not interested in listening or watching Beck, because I've heard he's extremely pessimistic. But I know he's on my side. Who's side is Graham on?

Goober Graham and John McCain are the Bobbsey Twins.

[brody]

The congresspersons who baffle me the most are the ones who already have "one foot in the grave".

They stay in office until they have to be wheeled in on life support.

Appearently all the time thinking of their place in history.

When they won't even merit a footnote.

[Penhall99]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

Brilliant move, Senator Graham! Go ahead and bash one of the most powerful and influential conservatives in the USA right now... :wall:

Will the Republicans ever get their heads out of their rears?

[nunyadb]

Well it is for me. When you're dealing with someone who is basically a political ally, one should temper their criticism and acknowledge that it is a friend you're dealing with. Graham did neither. And yes, it's wrong when conservative pundits are vicious also. I'm not a big Anne Coulter fan myself.

Beck has made an enemy of McCain and co. by pointing out that the
entire DC crowd is corrupt and so rotten to the core that they basically
ooze puss from their pores.

The corrupt sellouts of ideals once held dear don't exactly like the
image they see in the mirror that's being held up to their eyes.
They sold their souls for power that is fleeting at best and don't
like the reminder of what they once could have been.
Can't say as I blame them.

[nunyadb]

Brilliant move, Senator Graham! Go ahead and bash one of the most powerful and influential conservatives in the USA right now... :wall:

Will the Republicans ever get their heads out of their rears?


Nope. Not until it is far too late for them.
I think that IF Sarah runs, it will be as an independent and she'll
win in spite of the Republican Party, not because of it.

[deportalllibs]

Don't take my word for it, grab a copy of last years election results.

Grab a copy of current polls on Obamas policies :)):)):))

[7ranz]

Beck has made an enemy of McCain and co. by pointing out that the
entire DC crowd is corrupt and so rotten to the core that they basically
ooze puss from their pores.



Except Ron Paul. He likes his Paul.

[See It Clearly]

Brilliant move, Senator Graham! Go ahead and bash one of the most powerful and influential conservatives in the USA right now... :wall:

Will the Republicans ever get their heads out of their rears?

No, oh wait, HELL NO! The proof of this will be when McLame takes Graham as a running mate next time.

[nunyadb]

Except Ron Paul. He likes his Paul.

Paul, as much as I think he's a loon, does for the most part stick to the
Constitution.
I also think that he's a bit on the corrupt side and simply hasn't been
caught as of yet.

However, Beck is going by what is known, so on that score he can be
(somewhat ) forgiven.
Beck's gonna have a lot of problems out of the corrupt R's and all of the D's.
Count on it.

[johnrocks]

Paul, as much as I think he's a loon, does for the most part stick to the
Constitution.
I also think that he's a bit on the corrupt side and simply hasn't been
caught as of yet.

However, Beck is going by what is known, so on that score he can be
(somewhat ) forgiven.
Beck's gonna have a lot of problems out of the corrupt R's and all of the D's.
Count on it.

Why you even say something like that;he's corrupt? Hell man, he's been saying the same consistent things for more than 30 years, disagree all you want but to say he's corrupt, that is the kind of **** that makes me never want to chat on this site again.

[nunyadb]

Why you even say something like that;he's corrupt? Hell man, he's been saying the same consistent things for more than 30 years, disagree all you want but to say he's corrupt, that is the kind of **** that makes me never want to chat on this site again.

John, the man's been in that cesspool for years.
To think that he's been totally untouched is a bit naive.
I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as the rest,
but you can bet your lilly white ass that he's made
his own fair share of "deals" just to survive in that cesspool.

[TRIMS713]

John, the man's been in that cesspool for years.
To think that he's been totally untouched is a bit naive.
I don't think he's anywhere near as bad as the rest,
but you can bet your lilly white ass that he's made
his own fair share of "deals" just to survive in that cesspool.
There's been corruption in Washingtn DC since this nation's founding and there always will be. However, when we start hearing things like "they're ALL corrupt" then alarm bells go off in my head,it doesn't ring true to me, if it did I wouldn't even bother to vote.

[rckirby]

Graham Cracker and McLame............a couple idiots trying to shape the GOP into their own image.

No thanks.......both need to get the boot or just be honest and change their party affiliation to 'D'.

[Strongbone]

calls him a cynic and antietical to american values
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/sen-graham-calls-beck-a-c_n_306434.html


also rips into the birthers but im not saying more about that outside the 1 and only thread

Poor Linsdey. He hasn't gotten over McCain losing yet. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad030.gif

[old guy]

Brilliant move, Senator Graham! Go ahead and bash one of the most powerful and influential conservatives in the USA right now... :wall:

Will the Republicans ever get their heads out of their rears?

the fact that beck is one of the most influential cons right now show how far out of touch with reality the cons really are

[TRIMS713]

the fact that beck is one of the most influential cons right now show how far out of touch with reality the cons really are
No old guy,it's the exact opposite,it shows how out of touch libs are---enjoy your one party rule while you can,it ain't going to last long.