Govt warns Toyota owners about stuck accelerators

[SFC(R)L]

Govt warns Toyota owners about stuck accelerators
By KEN THOMAS (AP) – 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — The government is warning owners of Toyota and Lexus vehicles about safety problems tied to removable floor mats.

They say the mats could interfere with the vehicle's accelerator and cause a crash.

The Transportation Department says owners should take out the floor mats on the driver's side and not replace them. A large vehicle recall is expected later Tuesday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hX5vzre_1ZgnVSAl_jGmyHMBWRVAD9B16DQ02

Great.

It's bad enough that these damn things are a major pain in the ass clogging the roads while real people are trying to drive, now this.

[SFC(R)L]

a buttload of these annoying little prius were sold under cash for clunkers, and now they don't work.

and they had the nerve to sponsor a football game on Sunday..1.5 hours of prius commercials

[simssk]

Don't most cars have removable floor mats?

What is significant about these mats that make a recall necessary.

The mat in my car has a hole and a hook to keep it in place. It does not move.

More info would be helpful.

[timjy]

In a separate report we believe to be unrelated, there have been reports of the accelerator on deficit spending by the federal government getting stuck. The US is reportedly anticipating the resulting crash.
evidently obamas finger is stuck on the print button causing wide spread spending .Health care officials will try and release his finger as soon as obamacare passes and all money has been printed and redistributed .

[SFC(R)L]

Don't most cars have removable floor mats?

What is significant about these mats that make a recall necessary.

The mat in my car has a hole and a hook to keep it in place. It does not move.

More info would be helpful.

Buy Chevrolet.

[timjy]

Don't most cars have removable floor mats?

What is significant about these mats that make a recall necessary.

The mat in my car has a hole and a hook to keep it in place. It does not move.

More info would be helpful.
This will be the excuse the gov will use for repo on most CFC cars.

[Mustang JEB]

Buy Chevrolet.

this is something I will disagree with you on, and from your posts that's a rare thing.

Never. If you gave me one, I'd trade it in, undriven.

[mwevans1234]

I've tried this excuse with highway patrol before - it didn't work

[Wild Bill03]

I heard a recording of a 911 call where an idiot was driving one of the recalled piece of craps when the accelerator stuck. The moron wasnt smart enuff to put it in neutral or shut off the ignition, so while he was picking up speed he calls for help. IIRC he had 4 people with him and was crying to the person at 911, "OMG we are headed for an intersection and theres somebody coming". That was the last thing heard, IIRC everyone onboard was killed, some people are not smart enuff to be allowed to drive.

[SFC(R)L]

I heard a recording of a 911 call where an idiot was driving one of the recalled piece of craps when the accelerator stuck. The moron wasnt smart enuff to put it in neutral or shut off the ignition, so while he was picking up speed he calls for help. IIRC he had 4 people with him and was crying to the person at 911, "OMG we are headed for an intersection and theres somebody coming". That was the last thing heard, IIRC everyone onboard was killed, some people are not smart enuff to be allowed to drive.

people panic.

Chevrolets have an emergency brake. And regular brakes, and you put the transmission in neutral or reverse and wreck the car.

[sgdp]

Hm. I guess my Toyota is too old for this problem. :mrgreen:

[Wake-Up]

a buttload of these annoying little prius were sold under cash for clunkers, and now they don't work.

and they had the nerve to sponsor a football game on Sunday..1.5 hours of prius commercials

Its not just the Prius but most of the Toyota line and some Lexus as well.

Not everyone wants to drive a truck so what's the problem? No one forced anyone to buy a Prius, Camary or Lexus just as they did not force you to buy a Chevy truck. Ever look at the recall history of GM over the last 10 years or so? I've been driving Nissan's and Toyota's for 20 years and only recall till now was for a Nissan computer upgrade.

I have a Camary that will be in the recall. The problem is with the mats IF you don't keep it clipped in place nearest the seat.

[simssk]

Its not just the Prius but most of the Toyota line and some Lexus as well.

Not everyone wants to drive a truck so what's the problem? No one forced anyone to buy a Prius, Camary or Lexus just as they did not force you to buy a Chevy truck. Ever look at the recall history of GM over the last 10 years or so? I've been driving Nissan's and Toyota's for 20 years and only recall till now was for a Nissan computer upgrade.

I have a Camary that will be in the recall. The problem is with the mats IF you don't keep it clipped in place nearest the seat.

That's the problem?

People move the mat off of the post that holds it in place?

Do american cars have this additional safety feature of holding the mat in place?

I don't know - haven't had an american car in at least 20 years or so.

[SFC(R)L]

Its not just the Prius but most of the Toyota line and some Lexus as well.

Not everyone wants to drive a truck so what's the problem? No one forced anyone to buy a Prius, Camary or Lexus just as they did not force you to buy a Chevy truck. Ever look at the recall history of GM over the last 10 years or so? I've been driving Nissan's and Toyota's for 20 years and only recall till now was for a Nissan computer upgrade.

I have a Camary that will be in the recall. The problem is with the mats IF you don't keep it clipped in place nearest the seat.

I bought my truck by choice, I got a great deal while trading in my 1st Chevy truck, and I relish teasing import owners.

It's just what I do.

[PredFan]

people panic.

Chevrolets have an emergency brake. And regular brakes, and you put the transmission in neutral or reverse and wreck the car.

My Toyota has both of those. Plus an "ON" button that, when pushed, also shuts everything off.

[PredFan]

I bought my truck by choice, I got a great deal while trading in my 1st Chevy truck, and I relish teasing import owners.

It's just what I do.

I have a Toyota Prius. I have been driving and buying vehicles for 38 years. Go ahead try.

[SFC(R)L]

I have a Toyota Prius. I have been driving and buying vehicles for 38 years. Go ahead try.

nyah nyah nyah

neener neener neener

you'll make a nice hood ornament

[SFC(R)L]

My Toyota has both of those. Plus an "ON" button that, when pushed, also shuts everything off.

people panic.

It's understandable.

[Sinister Rouge]

Govt warns Toyota owners about stuck accelerators
By KEN THOMAS (AP) – 51 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — The government is warning owners of Toyota and Lexus vehicles about safety problems tied to removable floor mats.

They say the mats could interfere with the vehicle's accelerator and cause a crash.

The Transportation Department says owners should take out the floor mats on the driver's side and not replace them. A large vehicle recall is expected later Tuesday.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hX5vzre_1ZgnVSAl_jGmyHMBWRVAD9B16DQ02

Great.

It's bad enough that these damn things are a major pain in the ass clogging the roads while real people are trying to drive, now this.


Since when has a floor mat been a design flaw? I had the same problem in my Mercury. Removed the mat, no problem. This could happen in any car, truck or SUV. Trying to make this the fault of Obama and foreign car makers is laughable.

[SFC(R)L]

Since when has a floor mat been a design flaw? I had the same problem in my Mercury. Removed the mat, no problem. This could happen in any car, truck or SUV. Trying to make this the fault of Obama and foreign car makers is laughable.

Well it is the fault of the manufacturer.

That's why there's a recall under our safety rules. Apparently persons have already been hurt.

That obama pushed the clunkers program that resulted in a bunch of these cars being purchased by the easily fooled makes it obama's fault as this was his program.

Seems pretty unlaughable to me.

Nice try, you fail.

[Rurudyne]

Toyota ... the next Audi.

[RickRhetoric]

More info would be helpful.

See SFC's link in post #1 of this thread. Also just google on something like "Toyota recalls due to unintended acceleration" for additional links.

In this particular Lexus and Toyota event, Toyota is referring to sliding or loose floor mats being too close to the accelerator which could result in the floor mat pushing against the accelerator and causing unintended acceleration. (Specifically, they are referring to floor mats being put over the top of the original floor mats, on the driver's side.)

But floor mats or not, accelerators do "stick" from time to time. It would seem the best action to take would be to shift from drive into the neutral position. This would not shut off the engine but it would allow the driver to brake, pull over, and stop.

The Toyota manual says if you are driving along and must stop the engine, turn the ignition key to ACC (accessories), and this will shut off the engine.

In response to query, one local dealer said to NOT try to shut off the engine by turning the ignition switch to ACC. Another mechanic said it will damage the transmission and probably cause a serious accident if you put the shift lever into the neutral position while driving at a normal speed or higher. So no one has a definite answer. If it ever happens to me while driving along, I'm gonna to shift to neutral and hope it works.

Okay, comments are invited from all you macho, expert shade-tree mechanics. And no trying-to-be cute responses, please.

Thanks

Of course, the most simple thing to do would be to just buy vehicles with manual transmissions.

[political hack]

As long as Europe doesn't put out a recall on the Hadron Accelerator I'm going to feel relatively safe.

[LouC]

Since when has a floor mat been a design flaw? I had the same problem in my Mercury. Removed the mat, no problem. This could happen in any car, truck or SUV. Trying to make this the fault of Obama and foreign car makers is laughable.

Floor mat - accelerator problem recalls have been common with domestic vehicles as well.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

I don't get what this recall is. I've probably experienced these with the mat...

my solution: I readjusted it and clipped it. and if it gets in the way, I readjust it again :think:

[PredFan]

nyah nyah nyah

neener neener neener

you'll make a nice hood ornament

That all ya got!:surprised

[Sinister Rouge]

Well it is the fault of the manufacturer.

That's why there's a recall under our safety rules. Apparently persons have already been hurt.

That obama pushed the clunkers program that resulted in a bunch of these cars being purchased by the easily fooled makes it obama's fault as this was his program.

Seems pretty unlaughable to me.

Nice try, you fail.


So Barack Obama is responsible for floor mats shifting?
That's pretty laughable.
If Obama had been the automotive engineer who had designed these floor mats, I might see your point.

I did not know that Japanese cars were more susceptible than American cars to this phenomenon. I guess when I had that issue with my Merc it was because it was secretly a Japanese car.


Just listen to how you sound.
"Floor mats in Japanese cars can get stuck under gas pedals!1!1!!! This is clearly the fault of OBAMA!!!111!!!one!! He must be IMPEACHED1!!!!":rolleyes:

[Wild Bill03]

Another mechanic said it will damage the transmission and probably cause a serious accident if you put the shift lever into the neutral position while driving at a normal speed or higher.

Okay, comments are invited from all you macho, expert shade-tree mechanics. And no trying-to-be cute responses, please.

Thanks

Of course, the most simple thing to do would be to just buy vehicles with manual transmissions.

I have built many race cars and street rods of various types from the ground up just to qualify.

You can go to neutral at any speed and it wont hurt an auto trans. But you can damage one by towing the car in neural for long distances, especially if the engine isnt running to keep oil pumping thru the trans, pump, and converter.

In my drag cars that have auto transmissions I have had to click into neutral at the finish line at 140+ mph. because of other mechanical problems and there has never been any trans problems from it.

[ressurectedUltraSaiyanUSA]

anyway...

Toyota hasn't had a bailout so...

:lol::lol::lol:

[fallenturtle]

Buy Chevrolet.
The right doesn't support Chevy's anymore because they are GM, which is 60% socialist.

[RickRhetoric]

I have built many race cars and street rods of various types from the ground up just to qualify.

You can go to neutral at any speed and it wont hurt an auto trans. But you can damage one by towing the car in neural for long distances, especially if the engine isnt running to keep oil pumping thru the trans, pump, and converter.

In my drag cars that have auto transmissions I have had to click into neutral at the finish line at 140+ mph. because of other mechanical problems and there has never been any trans problems from it.

Okay, sounds like a good answer to me. Thanks.

[cj234]

this is something i will disagree with you on, and from your posts that's a rare thing.

Never. If you gave me one, i'd trade it in, undriven.

+1

[chris13]

Gee, I've had my Corolla for almost 13 years now. It's got the original floor mat. The little thing that held it in place broke years ago. I've never had an issue.

Hmm... could this possibly be politically motivated? It seems that Toyota sold more vehicles under the misnamed "cash for clunkers" program than any other manufacturer.

[Gengar]

a buttload of these annoying little prius were sold under cash for clunkers, and now they don't work.

and they had the nerve to sponsor a football game on Sunday..1.5 hours of prius commercials

Trimming the floor mat vs. saying they don't work? Yeah... Ok.

Or.. how about fires!

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53D31P20090414

[Gengar]

Buy Chevrolet.

If I want to start a fire, I'll do so in my fireplace.

[Fitz]

If I want to start a fire, I'll do so in my fireplace.
I'm going to light a Prius floor mat on fire just to spite you.

[Gengar]

I'm going to light a Prius floor mat on fire just to spite you.

Nah... come on over and toss it in! At least the car itself will be fine. ;)

[Billy_Bob]

Since when has a floor mat been a design flaw? I had the same problem in my Mercury. Removed the mat, no problem. This could happen in any car, truck or SUV. Trying to make this the fault of Obama and foreign car makers is laughable.

I believe that this falls under OPERATOR ERROR:rolleyes:

[highroller]

Big deal! Happens to my old BMW all the time.

[brody]

I'm sure this is just the result of numerous owners calling Toyota service saying,
"My floormats aren't working."

[brody]

You all should not be encouraging people to go fiddling around with such a vital piece of equipment as a floor mat.

The next thing you know, you will be telling everyone about the seat adjustments.

It can only result in total chaos!

[SFC(R)L]

You all should not be encouraging people to go fiddling around with such a vital piece of equipment as a floor mat.

The next thing you know, you will be telling everyone about the seat adjustments.

It can only result in total chaos!

you would think that a vehicle upon which multiple gazabillions of bucks were spent designing would have functional floor mats

[ShinGouki]

Buy Chevrolet.

:)):)):))

You're kidding right? Buy Chevrolet over Toyota? Heck, I'm not even the biggest Toyota fan (more of a Nissan, Bimmer fan) but you couldn't give me a Chevy over a Toyota.

The only Chevy cars I'd consider is a Corvette, which is not a bad car considering how unrefined they are compared to a 911 or a Fairlady Z. They have great engines, even if the transmissions aren't very good. The Cobalt SS, as ugly as it is, is a great little performance car. And the new Camaros are sexy. As were the older Camaros. Camaro was always a good car.

But give me a 1994 Mark IV Supra with some engine mods over any Camaro or Corvette any day. Saw a good drag race between a Mark IV Supra and a heavily modified 1998 Camaro LS1 Z28. The Camaro never stood a chance.

[SFC(R)L]

Trimming the floor mat vs. saying they don't work? Yeah... Ok.

Or.. how about fires!

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53D31P20090414

design flaw

[SFC(R)L]

:)):)):))

You're kidding right? Buy Chevrolet over Toyota? Heck, I'm not even the biggest Toyota fan (more of a Nissan, Bimmer fan) but you couldn't give me a Chevy over a Toyota.

The only Chevy cars I'd consider is a Corvette, which is not a bad car considering how unrefined they are compared to a 911 or a Fairlady Z. They have great engines, even if the transmissions aren't very good. The Cobalt SS, as ugly as it is, is a great little performance car. And the new Camaros are sexy. As were the older Camaros. Camaro was always a good car.

But give me a 1994 Mark IV Supra with some engine mods over any Camaro or Corvette any day. Saw a good drag race between a Mark IV Supra and a heavily modified 1998 Camaro LS1 Z28. The Camaro never stood a chance.

Nope

Just tonight I passed a Dodge Ram at high speed

I was driving backwards towing a toyota truck with my tow hooks

and still getting more power and better mileage than anybody

[SFC(R)L]

If I want to start a fire, I'll do so in my fireplace.

I don't think I can align my exhaust with your fireplace

[ShinGouki]

I bought my truck by choice, I got a great deal while trading in my 1st Chevy truck, and I relish teasing import owners.

It's just what I do.

And I relish teasing those idiots like my 47 year old cousin who thought buying a GMC Canyon was a good idea. Frontiers and Tacomas are so much better that it's pathetic. I should know, I own a Frontier.

Import for the win. :dance:

By the way, I'd love to see you tease a Mark IV Supra owner, or a Fairlady Z owner. They tend to be very proud of their cars. My best friend used to own a 350Z; Rustang GT owner thought he'd talk trash about his import. Friend told him when the light turns green, watch. They took off and the Z finished about 2 car lengths ahead. That's with two fewer cylinders and alot less torque and a 5-speed automatic transmission.

[ShinGouki]

Nope

Just tonight I passed a Dodge Ram at high speed

I was driving backwards towing a toyota truck with my tow hooks

and still getting more power and better mileage than anybody

Ok? And?

I'd still take the Tundra. 5,000 bucks extra nets me a factory blower that pumps horsepower to 500 and torque to 550 without voiding the warranty. Good luck keeping up with that.

[SFC(R)L]

Ok? And?

I'd still take the Tundra. 5,000 bucks extra nets me a factory blower that pumps horsepower to 500 and torque to 550 without voiding the warranty. Good luck keeping up with that.

already have

tundra was last seen smoking on side of road

as I go 0 to 95 very nicely

and I didn't have to modify jack

[SFC(R)L]

And I relish teasing those idiots like my 47 year old cousin who thought buying a GMC Canyon was a good idea. Frontiers and Tacomas are so much better that it's pathetic. I should know, I own a Frontier.

Import for the win. :dance:

By the way, I'd love to see you tease a Mark IV Supra owner, or a Fairlady Z owner. They tend to be very proud of their cars. My best friend used to own a 350Z; Rustang GT owner thought he'd talk trash about his import. Friend told him when the light turns green, watch. They took off and the Z finished about 2 car lengths ahead. That's with two fewer cylinders and alot less torque and a 5-speed automatic transmission.

You won't be very proud of your sissy little car from your new driving lane in the ditch

I saw a "frontier" tonight as I left for home, couldn't figure it out until I saw the manufacturer's plate as I passed it

nice ladies' truck

[Plasmaball]

people panic.

Chevrolet's have an emergency brake. And regular brakes, and you put the transmission in neutral or reverse and wreck the car.

Um toyota's have these things as well. Even a prius.

[ShinGouki]

already have

tundra was last seen smoking on side of road

as I go 0 to 95 very nicely

and I didn't have to modify jack

That's like saying a stock Mustang GT dusted an Audi R8 with no major mods. :rolleyes:

I've seen Mustang GTs that could dust R8s, but they had blowers, shaved pistons, and every other modification known to mankind. Course, these were drag cars pumping about 800 horses to the rear wheels, so they'd pretty much embarrass an Enzo Ferrari in a drag.

You're comparing, at the most, 400 horsepower, 415 lbs of torque, to about 500 horsepower, 550 lbs of torque in a truck that isn't that much heavier than the Chevy with a superior transmission.

Of course, if the idiot didn't know what he was doing and was peeling tires through the first two gears, which is very easy to do in those trucks, heck very easy to do with an RWD vehicle with that much torque, then yes, you could have beat him.

But if he's a good driver, it's no contest. The 6.0L Chevy with no mods will get blasted every time.

[SFC(R)L]

That's like saying a stock Mustang GT dusted an Audi R8 with no major mods. :rolleyes:

I've seen Mustang GTs that could dust R8s, but they had blowers, shaved pistons, and every other modification known to mankind. Course, these were drag cars pumping about 800 horses to the rear wheels, so they'd pretty much embarrass an Enzo Ferrari in a drag.

You're comparing, at the most, 400 horsepower, 415 lbs of torque, to about 500 horsepower, 550 lbs of torque in a truck that isn't that much heavier than the Chevy with a superior transmission.

Of course, if the idiot didn't know what he was doing and was peeling tires through the first two gears, which is very easy to do in those trucks, heck very easy to do with an RWD vehicle with that much torque, then yes, you could have beat him.

But if he's a good driver, it's no contest. The 6.0L Chevy with no mods will get blasted every time.

Uhm..no

I'm talking about dusting off toyotas, fords, and dodges every day from a flat start

[Plasmaball]

I bought my truck by choice, I got a great deal while trading in my 1st Chevy truck, and I relish teasing import owners.

It's just what I do.

all you have is the Bow tie.
Could have saved yourself a ton of money and bought a GMC.

SNORE

[ShinGouki]

You won't be very proud of your sissy little car from your new driving lane in the ditch

I saw a "frontier" tonight as I left for home, couldn't figure it out until I saw the manufacturer's plate as I passed it

nice ladies' truck

If you honestly think a Colorado/Canyon is even in the same class as a Frontier, you've lost it.

The only redeeming factor about those trucks is the 5.3L V8 you can order in the extended cab models. But that defeats the purpose of a mid-size truck. A V8 in a small truck is STUPID. And GM was idiotic to make it, just like Dodge is stupid to still sell that crap 4.7L in the Dakota.

In a full-size truck, well, I don't plan on ever owning a full size truck. No point to it. A Frontier or a Tacoma will tow 7000 plus pounds, more than the average guy will ever need. If I need to tow something extremely heavy, think a horse trailer (doubtful since I hate horses), then why in the hell would I buy a 1/2 ton pickup with a gas burner?

If I'm doing heavy towing, it's a diesel or nothing at all. And since the GM diesels suck, I'm stuck with the Dodge and the Ford. Cummins is amazing, but I am not a Dodge fan. The Powerstrokes are finicky, but they are better than the Duramax.

Where the GM trucks excel is in their ability to do everything good with no major set backs. They're not the nicest truck (that'd go to the Ram), nor can they tow the most (F-150 is king, although it's gonna strain hard cause of it's pathetic engines) but it does everything right.

Too bad GM puts all of their guys on the Silverados and neglects their mid-size trucks to the point of embarrassment.

[tom1468]

Buy Chevrolet.
I will stick with Ford until the government and union get out of GM

[SFC(R)L]

I will stick with Ford until the government and union get out of GM

Noted.

My vehicles are pre-obama

[ShinGouki]

Uhm..no

I'm talking about dusting off toyotas, fords, and dodges every day from a flat start

Of course you're dusting off Fords. Jeez, a Toyota with the 4.6L can dust a F-150 with the 5.4L. Fords are painfully slow. Heck, I can dust a F-150 with my Frontier. Not hard at all.

[PeterGriffin]

Buy Chevrolet.

Sounds so Phrench.

[SFC(R)L]

If you honestly think a Colorado/Canyon is even in the same class as a Frontier, you've lost it.

The only redeeming factor about those trucks is the 5.3L V8 you can order in the extended cab models. But that defeats the purpose of a mid-size truck. A V8 in a small truck is STUPID. And GM was idiotic to make it, just like Dodge is stupid to still sell that crap 4.7L in the Dakota.

In a full-size truck, well, I don't plan on ever owning a full size truck. No point to it. A Frontier or a Tacoma will tow 7000 plus pounds, more than the average guy will ever need. If I need to tow something extremely heavy, think a horse trailer (doubtful since I hate horses), then why in the hell would I buy a 1/2 ton pickup with a gas burner?

If I'm doing heavy towing, it's a diesel or nothing at all. And since the GM diesels suck, I'm stuck with the Dodge and the Ford. Cummins is amazing, but I am not a Dodge fan. The Powerstrokes are finicky, but they are better than the Duramax.

Where the GM trucks excel is in their ability to do everything good with no major set backs. They're not the nicest truck (that'd go to the Ram), nor can they tow the most (F-150 is king, although it's gonna strain hard cause of it's pathetic engines) but it does everything right.

Too bad GM puts all of their guys on the Silverados and neglects their mid-size trucks to the point of embarrassment.

I do not waste my attention on ladies' trucks.

[SFC(R)L]

Of course you're dusting off Fords. Jeez, a Toyota with the 4.6L can dust a F-150 with the 5.4L. Fords are painfully slow. Heck, I can dust a F-150 with my Frontier. Not hard at all.

driving backwards, towing 2 prius?

[Plasmaball]

Toyota ... the next Audi.

actually if you did any research you would know Audi makes very good car.
The A5 is actually a better car than BMW, Lexus, Mercedes, and a Jag in its class.

But why bother with facts?

Thats like syaing toyota overall makes worse cars than Chevy, ford, and dodge....

In fact they dont.

[ShinGouki]

I do not waste my attention on ladies' trucks.

So everything without a Bow-tie is a lady's truck? :rolleyes:

That's like saying every sports car that is not a 997 911 GT3 is crap. Which is not true. Just because the 911 GT3 is the best sports car ever made doesn't mean every other sports car is crap.

Trucks have different uses. If I tow 5000 pounds once or twice a month, then buying a full-size truck is STUPID.

[SFC(R)L]

So everything without a Bow-tie is a lady's truck? :rolleyes:

That's like saying every sports car that is not a 997 911 GT3 is crap. Which is not true. Just because the 911 GT3 is the best sports car ever made doesn't mean every other sports car is crap.

Trucks have different uses. If I tow 5000 pounds once or twice a month, then buying a full-size truck is STUPID.

That isn't what I wrote.

Not even close.

I wrote very plainly that trucks classed below full size according to JD Power size classifications are for ladies. That would include all manufacturers.

I rarely tow anyhting at all, and I wouldn't be caught driving a girl's truck.

Sorry.

[ShinGouki]

That isn't what I wrote.

Not even close.

I wrote very plainly that trucks classed below full size according to JD Power size classifications are for ladies. That would include all manufacturers.

I rarely tow anyhting at all, and I wouldn't be caught driving a girl's truck.

Sorry.

You're opinion. Just so you know, the Americas are the only places where full-size trucks sell in a sizable number.

Girl's truck my ass.

And once again, show me a Chevrolet as good as a Mark IV Supra.

[Gengar]

I don't think I can align my exhaust with your fireplace

Your Chevy would be in flames before you even made it to my state.

That's why over a million were recalled.

[Lima India Bravo]

Since when has a floor mat been a design flaw? I had the same problem in my Mercury. Removed the mat, no problem. This could happen in any car, truck or SUV. Trying to make this the fault of Obama and foreign car makers is laughable.

To a small mind, it's a large problem, especially when multiplied by an intense hatred of Obama and them there "furrin" cars.

[missmel]

I heard a recording of a 911 call where an idiot was driving one of the recalled piece of craps when the accelerator stuck. The moron wasnt smart enuff to put it in neutral or shut off the ignition, so while he was picking up speed he calls for help. IIRC he had 4 people with him and was crying to the person at 911, "OMG we are headed for an intersection and theres somebody coming". That was the last thing heard, IIRC everyone onboard was killed, some people are not smart enuff to be allowed to drive.

This was a veteran CHP (California Highway Patrol) officer driving a borrowed Lexus. I am familiar with the overpass where this took place, and it is a sharp turn on a very busy freeway that merges onto another congested freeway. He called while traveling at 70mph plus with no way to stop the car safely on the sharp curve to let them know that he was out of control so they could clear the road and/or respond immediately. He died along with his wife and daughter in the fiery crash that happened moments later. I was actually impressed that he had the mindset to think in terms of safety and response in that situation. Your post could be viewed as pretty offensive in light of the facts.

[Wild Bill03]

This was a veteran CHP (California Highway Patrol) officer driving a borrowed Lexus. I am familiar with the overpass where this took place, and it is a sharp turn on a very busy freeway that merges onto another congested freeway. He called while traveling at 70mph plus with no way to stop the car safely on the sharp curve to let them know that he was out of control so they could clear the road and/or respond immediately. He died along with his wife and daughter in the fiery crash that happened moments later. I was actually impressed that he had the mindset to think in terms of safety and response in that situation. Your post could be viewed as pretty offensive in light of the facts.


Fact is there were several safe ways to stop the car and a long time to calm down and do it if he were in a panic since he had time enuff to call someone and chit chat. The sharp curve has nothing to do with not stopping the car, it would be safer to stop for a sharp curve than to go thru it at full throttle. The smart thing is to stop the car instead of calling for help to let them know he was gonna crash.

I have had the throttle stick on probably 3 or 4 different vehicles over the years (One from a broken motor mount that made the motor torque to one side pulling the throttle linkage) and I instantly shut the engine off and put the trans in neutral at the same time just in case for some strange reason killing the ignition didnt work. The thought of calling someone to let them know I was just about to wreck never occurred to me, shutting the engine off just seems like a safer option, besides its against the law to use a cell phone while driving.