Should Israel build its temple where the dome is?

[Jacob_Rising]

I understand..
but my op was not about christians, just the temple and dome.
my feelings are that those people in the me are tired of all the fighting/wars..
so
in order to have real peace...lasting peace..
concessions will have to be made.
the pals want to build in gaza...besides other places.
the Israelites want to build their temple..
the dome sits where or close to where the temple needs to be built..Dark, Think about Peace.

Shouldn't the Muslims admit that they only stem from Jacob?

The Samaritan woman at the well admitted it.

It's just that simple isn't it.

There are 3 children and two of them wont admit the other has Authority in my opinion.

If a Theocracy is truly in the mix, Then it is.

[darknessesedge]

Dark, Think about Peace.

Shouldn't the Muslims admit that they only stem from Jacob?

The Samaritan woman at the well admitted it.

It's just that simple isn't it.

There are 3 children and two of them wont admit the other has Authority in my opinion.

If a Theocracy is truly in the mix, Then it is.

I hear you..

[Jacob_Rising]

I hear you..Jesus practiced Judaism and the law cannot end until there is a New Earth and a New heaven.

Peace will simply come when all Nations recognize that a God is in Israel whether it's the Jesus who was a Jew, or simply Jews.

They are the Brethren.

They are the keepers of the law and it's our job to unite with with.

Push them on!

Tell them , '' Thank you for keeping the law and thank you for dying in the Holocaust.''

What better example is there of a nation who has died for a witness to the world?

[Conservatizzle]

Right, they only sing praises to Goebbels and the rest of his ilk. Its not like they were taught this from their parents. But you are correct if you are stating these are not Islamic extremists and only white power extremists.


Weak sauce, my friend. Just admit that you butted in without thinking it through. Your apples to oranges comparison just don't cut it.

[Poisonshady313]

Right, they only sing praises to Goebbels and the rest of his ilk. Its not like they were taught this from their parents. But you are correct if you are stating these are not Islamic extremists and only white power extremists.

It's one thing to sing the praises of someone who killed Jews several decades ago.

It's quite another to express the desire to become a suicide bomber, killing one's self along with as many Jews as possible.

[Abe]

Abe didn't say all religious people are simple or can be manipulated with religion.

He is absolutely right when he says many simple people can be manipulated with religion.Thank you Shady. As usual, you're right. :)

[Abe]

and you do? Yes. I went to a Muslim school for two years, as a child, and learned Qur'an and Hadiths in the original Nahwi. I speak, read and write Arabic, as well as Hebrew, English and a few more languages. I don't caim to understand Norwegian, German, Dutch or American politics. I do know the Arab/Israeli problems. I've lived them, and I understand them.

I've lived in Israel for most of my life. I have friends in Gaza, the WB, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon. I've fought in three major wars and many battles in between.

I know what's going on.

[Abe]

Muslim; Ahmadinejad

Jew; Kinky Friedman

Now, THAT!!!, I'd love to see...:))

[Poisonshady313]

Abe, since you mentioned you've seen Palestinian TV in Israel, I wonder... are you familiar with the Palestinian Media Watch? Would you say the people who provide translations for the videos do so accurately, without misrepresenting them?

[Abe]

wouldnt we all then.
just imagine..
Israel making concessions on the gaza strip to the muslims.
in return for the right to build its temple.
can the dome be moved?
can the temple be next to the dome?
I do not know.
but peace negotiations..real peace this time could come from it.We've been trying for 60 years. What concessions in Gaza? They own it. Can Gaza speak for the whole Muslim world?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, we're tired of wars, but we're strange and selfish. We like to stay alive.

[Abe]

Abe, since you mentioned you've seen Palestinian TV in Israel, I wonder... are you familiar with the Palestinian Media Watch? Would you say the people who provide translations for the videos do so accurately, without misrepresenting them?

I'm not familiar with Palestinian Media Watch.

[Poisonshady313]

I'm not familiar with Palestinian Media Watch.

Are you fluent enough in Arabic to listen to a video and determine the accuracy of their subtitles?

[Abe]

Are you fluent enough in Arabic to listen to a video and determine the accuracy of their subtitles?Yes, if it's the Palestinian dialect.

[Abe]

Gotta' lie down. Good night.

[Poisonshady313]

Gotta' lie down. Good night.

Good night, Abe.

Maybe tomorrow I'll link you to a video or two and get your feedback regarding its accuracy.

[nikoloslvy]

Well said. Well spoken.






:))

thank you.

[Jacob_Rising]

Yes. I went to a Muslim school for two years, as a child, and learned Qur'an and Hadiths in the original Nahwi. I speak, read and write Arabic, as well as Hebrew, English and a few more languages. I don't caim to understand Norwegian, German, Dutch or American politics. I do know the Arab/Israeli problems. I've lived them, and I understand them.

I've lived in Israel for most of my life. I have friends in Gaza, the WB, Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon. I've fought in three major wars and many battles in between.

I know what's going on.He just can't speak TexMex, '' No spanking the English Abe''

[Poisonshady313]

Abe... when you get a chance, can you look at these two videos and tell us whether the subtitles provided are accurate or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPb1bF-s4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPh-7eS72yk&feature=channel

[Andrew_980]

Humans will never tire of war.
They will pick and instigate, they will prod the other side and claim to be the victim.
All are guilty.

[Poisonshady313]

Here's another one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTMQluihesU&feature=related

I'll share with the thread the content...

A mother speaking about the martyrdom of her 15 year old son:

It was sad and joyous about him, meaning he always liked the shahada (martyrdom). All children his age do. He always cared for me. I would have preferred that one of his other brothers would have attained shahada instead of him, because he was the joy of my life.
(emphasis mine)

Somebody give this woman the Mother of the Year award!

[RayMan]

We've been trying for 60 years. What concessions in Gaza? They own it. Can Gaza speak for the whole Muslim world?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, we're tired of wars, but we're strange and selfish. We like to stay alive.

I don't get why people don't get that. It seems easy enough to get - hello, Germany, 1930's and 40's - but somehow they just don't get i


ETA - Mein Kampf, in the original Arabic (Star Trek fans will get this.), is a big seller amongst the Palestinians and other Arabs. They still feel Hitler had some great ideas.



Mein Kampf for sale, in Arabic



By Sean O'Neill and John Steele
Published: 12:01AM GMT 19 Mar 2002

AN Arabic translation of Hitler's Mein Kampf which has become a bestseller in the Palestinian territories is now on sale in Britain.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1388161/Mein-Kampf-for-sale-in-Arabic.html

[Conservatizzle]

We've been trying for 60 years. What concessions in Gaza? They own it. Can Gaza speak for the whole Muslim world?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, we're tired of wars, but we're strange and selfish. We like to stay alive.

Nailed it!

No more "concessions" from Israel at all, IMO. They've made far too many already. Considering how up in arms Americans were after 9/11 (and rightly so), I find it completely insane that these same Americans would even consider urging Israel to make "concessions" to a group of people that uses terrorism on a daily basis to try and achieve their goals.

[Abe]

Abe... when you get a chance, can you look at these two videos and tell us whether the subtitles provided are accurate or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dPb1bF-s4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPh-7eS72yk&feature=channel

The translations are very good. In the fist video, I had trouble understanding "Sabrine from Ramallah" because the phone was distorting her voice, but everything else was clear as a (Catholic:) ) bell.












(I think I just justified, with one word, having this thread in the RF...)

[darknessesedge]

Jesus practiced Judaism and the law cannot end until there is a New Earth and a New heaven.

Peace will simply come when all Nations recognize that a God is in Israel whether it's the Jesus who was a Jew, or simply Jews.

They are the Brethren.

They are the keepers of the law and it's our job to unite with with.

Push them on!

Tell them , '' Thank you for keeping the law and thank you for dying in the Holocaust.''

What better example is there of a nation who has died for a witness to the world?

agreed.

[darknessesedge]

We've been trying for 60 years. What concessions in Gaza? They own it. Can Gaza speak for the whole Muslim world?

You have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, we're tired of wars, but we're strange and selfish. We like to stay alive.

I have no idea what im talking about...:rolleyes:
so who appointed you as the all knowing?

[Poisonshady313]

I have no idea what im talking about...:rolleyes:
so who appointed you as the all knowing?

A janitor doesn't tell a doctor what's what about medicine.

You don't tell Abe what's what about the middle east.

[darknessesedge]

A janitor doesn't tell a doctor what's what about medicine.

You don't tell Abe what's what about the middle east.

remarkable...
no one is allowed to have a diff view or opinion I guess...

[RayMan]

A janitor doesn't tell a doctor what's what about medicine.

You don't tell Abe what's what about the middle east.

Hey!

DE has seen several videos on the subject on CBN. And done some reading.

Abe just grew up there, fought in three wars there and has many friends who are still living there on both the Jewish and Palestine sides of the issue.

Sounds to me like they are equally well qualified to debate the subject. ;)

[RayMan]

remarkable...
no one is allowed to have a diff view or opinion I guess...

Everyone is allowed that. We just believe that Abe is almost infinitely more qualified to share an educated opinion on the subject.

[darknessesedge]

Hey!

DE has seen several videos on the subject on CBN. And done some reading.

Abe just grew up there, fought in three wars there and has many friends who are still living there on both the Jewish and Palestine sides of the issue.

Sounds to me like they are equally well qualified to debate the subject. ;)

guess only 1 person is allowed to have the only view on that matter..

[beaker]

Hey!

DE has seen several videos on the subject on CBN. And done some reading.

Abe just grew up there, fought in three wars there and has many friends who are still living there on both the Jewish and Palestine sides of the issue.

Sounds to me like they are equally well qualified to debate the subject. ;)

You're so bad.;)

[RayMan]

remarkable...
no one is allowed to have a diff view or opinion I guess...

Everyone is allowed that. We just believe that Abe is almost infinitely more qualified to share an educated opinion on the subject.

PS is apparently feeling a bit feisty this afternoon.


College kids. :rolleyes:

[Poisonshady313]

Agreed: I don't think so either.

It is what the distributors of the videos want.

I've seen those videos on MSNBC, CNN, and other media.

See how many home videos, (no matter how outrageous), you can get to air on any mainstream news outlet and you'll understand.

We're not talking about home videos. We're talking about mainstream Arab media... interviews, television shows, news reports, speeches, school textbooks, etc...

[darknessesedge]

Everyone is allowed that. We just believe that Abe is almost infinitely more qualified to share an educated opinion on the subject.

PS is apparently feeling a bit feisty this afternoon.


College kids. :rolleyes:

well since he is your spokesman, I will direct all my discussion towards him then.

[RayMan]

guess only 1 person is allowed to have the only view on that matter..

You really understand exactly what I am saying and are just trying to tick me off by pretending otherwise, aren't you? ;)

Not working. I still think you are a genuinely nice person with a sincere desire to see peace in the Middle East.

I am just in agreement with the folks who say, "That ain't gonna happen til Messiah gets here. " :hug:

[RayMan]

well since he is your spokesman, I will direct all my discussion towards him then.

Good thinking. He is more eloquent than I, and like Abe, knows way more about the reality of the situation in the M.E. than I do.

He will probably get sulky about being labeled my spokesman though.

[Poisonshady313]

No, I don't believe that Palestinians love their children any more or less than any other group of people love their own children. Just my opinion.

Let's hear about a Palestinian woman who loves her son...


Her son was a17-year-old terrorist who killed 5 Israeli teenagers before he was shot dead.

This is what she had to say afterward.

"I gave my son to jihad for Allah. It is our religious obligation. If I wanted to have compassion for him, or to make him change his mind, it would be wrong, a mistake. I don't want to be guided by my feelings, a mother's feelings. I put them aside for a while, for something greater. Although this is connected to a mother's feelings. Why? Because I love my son and I want to choose what's best for him. And the best is not life in this world. No, for us there is the afterlife, the eternal bliss. So, if I love my son, I will choose eternal bliss for him."



Andrea Yates would be proud.



If this is your idea of love, please tell me. This way I can know that I'll have nothing further to say to you, about anything.

[Poisonshady313]

Good thinking. He is more eloquent than I, and like Abe, knows way more about the reality of the situation in the M.E. than I do.

He will probably get sulky about being labeled my spokesman though.

If I'm his spokesman, and he's your spokesman... does that make me your spokesman?

[Poisonshady313]

remarkable...
no one is allowed to have a diff view or opinion I guess...

Janitors are allowed to have medical opinions... and the doctors have every right to tell the janitors that they have no idea what they're taking about when they say something that indicates they have no idea what they're talking about.

[Andrew_980]

guess only 1 person is allowed to have the only view on that matter..

No, you are allowe an opinion.
We just trust Abe more than the christian equivilent of Al- Jahzera

[Abe]

I have no idea what im talking about...:rolleyes:
so who appointed you as the all knowing?I did. Who appointed you?

[Abe]

remarkable...
no one is allowed to have a diff view or opinion I guess...You are allowed to have an opinion of your own. Just don't be offended when someone else has another opinion.

[Poisonshady313]

Here's what a terrorist himself has to say, published on Hamas websites (basically equivalent to CNN... which is to say, this isn't exactly just a home video)

"My message is to the loathed Jews that there is no god but Allah, we will chase you everywhere! We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we quench our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood. We will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMoT1MKXDQ&feature=related


You can be sure that when he was sent to make that speech, his mother sent him to do it the same way an American mother sends her son to college. So much pride and joy in her teenage improvised explosive device... and the moment he explodes himself in the presence of Jews won't be soon enough.


I can see how much Palestinians love their children. :rolleyes:

[darknessesedge]

Janitors are allowed to have medical opinions... and the doctors have every right to tell the janitors that they have no idea what they're taking about when they say something that indicates they have no idea what they're talking about.

amazing..

[darknessesedge]

I did. Who appointed you?

I did.

[darknessesedge]

You are allowed to have an opinion of your own. Just don't be offended when someone else has another opinion.

good advise...hopefully you will follow it as well.

[Abe]

I did.

Then what's your complaint?

[Abe]

good advise...hopefully you will follow it as well.

I never get offended. I wasn't the one who complained when someone else had another opinion.

[darknessesedge]

I never get offended. I wasn't the one who complained when someone else had another opinion.

I do not offend easily..
but I want a civil discussion..

and I never complain about others opinions..
what about you?

[beaker]

Here's what a terrorist himself has to say, published on Hamas websites (basically equivalent to CNN... which is to say, this isn't exactly just a home video)

"My message is to the loathed Jews that there is no god but Allah, we will chase you everywhere! We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we quench our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood. We will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMoT1MKXDQ&feature=related


You can be sure that when he was sent to make that speech, his mother sent him to do it the same way an American mother sends her son to college. So much pride and joy in her teenage improvised explosive device... and the moment he explodes himself in the presence of Jews won't be soon enough.


I can see how much Palestinians love their children. :rolleyes:

Did you see the news story where these suicide bombers are now hiding explosives in their body cavities? These extremist will do anything to kill a Jew or anyone they don't like.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml

[lwdc]

If this is your idea of love, please tell me. This way I can know that I'll have nothing further to say to you, about anything.That's a disgusting thing to say, Shady.

As I've said before, there's no need to make it personal.

If you simply can't help but to deliver outrageous implications through your remarks, you should stick to those that imply that a group of people are intrinsically more murderous and hateful because of their ethnicity. Some folks in here seem to like it.

There are murderous mothers in the US as well as in Palestine, as you seemed to imply... to your credit.

[darknessesedge]

Did you see the news story where these suicide bombers are now hiding explosives in their body cavities? These extremist will do anything to kill a Jew or anyone they don't like.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/28/eveningnews/main5347847.shtml

what they are doing is disgusting...

[beaker]

what they are doing is disgusting...


I would use a stronger description than that but probably would get in trouble in the RF.

I want to see peace just as much as the next person, but I just don't see how there ever can be.

The extremist don't want peace, they want Jews wiped off the face of the earth.

You can't negotiate with that.

You can't reason with them.

[Poisonshady313]

That's a disgusting thing to say, Shady.

As I've said before, there's no need to make it personal.

If you simply can't help but to deliver outrageous implications through your remarks, you should stick to those that imply that a group of people are intrinsically more murderous and hateful because of their ethnicity. Some folks in here seem to like it.

There are murderous mothers in the US as well as in Palestine, as you seemed to imply... to your credit.

"Palestinian" isn't an ethnicity.

Their identity as "Palestinians" comes from the desire to destroy Jews. The early years of the PLO had nothing whatsoever to do with seeking an independent Arab state, and had everything to do with ridding the region of Jews.

Ever stop to think that you're really rather nit picking Golda Meir's words?

It seems to me like you're getting hung up on the word "Arab" and figuring she's accusing the whole Arab world of hating their children.

Understanding that it's limited to Palestinian Arabs, you might still be inclined to figure she's making a statement about 100% of Palestinian families... which isn't the case, and it's not what anyone is saying.

The mothers who do send their children to blow themselves up certainly do not love their children.... and Palestinian terrorism never seems to go away, even when Israel gives up land, gives up prisoners, dismantles settlements, etc.

Palestinian resistance as a movement, and Palestinians as a society in general embrace with loving arms the idea that their children will blow themselves up in an effort to kill Jews. This may not be true of every individual man woman and child.... but again... in general, as a society, that is the norm. That is the ideal.

That's what Golda Meir was talking about.

So her statement: "When Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews" was absolutely accurate, and absolutely appropriate, even though your insane tendency to nit pick and over analyze the statement out of context to mean something it doesn't won't let you accept that.

[lwdc]

Palestinian resistance as a movement, and Palestinians as a society in general embrace with loving arms the idea that their children will blow themselves up in an effort to kill Jews. This may not be true of every individual man woman and child.... but again... in general, as a society, that is the norm. That is the ideal.I disagree. It is the exception, not the norm, imo.

That's what Golda Meir was talking about.

So her statement: "When Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews" was absolutely accurate, and absolutely appropriate, even though your insane tendency to nit pick and over analyze the statement out of context to mean something it doesn't won't let you accept that.Try reversing the ordinal positions of the two groups mentioned in Meir's sentence, and then perhaps you will begin to see the problem with her words.

There is no excuse for Palestinian acts of terror. They are hateful and disgusting. But as I said in my earlier post, Meir's hyperbolic soundbite does nothing to promote understanding of the complex situation in The Land; quite the contrary, as is evident by many of the obtuse posts that have appeared in this thread.

[RayMan]

well since he is your spokesman, I will direct all my discussion towards him then.

Just re-read this.

Abe as spokesperson or Poison?

[RayMan]

If I'm his spokesman, and he's your spokesman... does that make me your spokesman?


I sense a trap here...

[Poisonshady313]

There are murderous mothers in the US as well as in Palestine, as you seemed to imply... to your credit.

I'll also point out that Palestinian mothers sending their sons of to become martyrs is as common as American mothers sending their sons to college, whereas incidents like Andrea Yates are rare. In other words, very few and far between... and a week later, you forget that it even happened, or that such a thing even could happen... while Palestinian mothers are sending their sons to martyrdom all the time.

You seem to be under the delusion that the mother who sends her child to die in the effort to kill innocent Jews is an anomaly...

If I were listening to you, I might be inclined to believe that the problem of Palestinian terrorists is about as bothersome as the Westboro Baptist Church, which is to say, absolutely horrible, but so small that they're not much of a problem.

This couldn't be farther from the truth.

The whole of Palestinian society is taught by their government, their media, and their parents to hate Jews and to desire martyrdom. Not ALL of them buy into it.... I'm sure there are SOME Palestinians who desire peaceful coexistence. But the democratically elected governments of Fatah and Hamas both have as their core fundamental purpose the annihilation of Israel through persistent armed struggle.

The "Palestinian" people have spoken... and they haven't spoken about peace. They speak of Jews as if they are an infection, or a cancer, and that "liberation" is destroying them... curing the disease.

That's disgusting.

[lwdc]

I'll also point out that Palestinian mothers sending their sons of to become martyrs is as common as American mothers sending their sons to college, whereas incidents like Andrea Yates are rare. In other words, very few and far between... and a week later, you forget that it even happened, or that such a thing even could happen... while Palestinian mothers are sending their sons to martyrdom all the time.
"as common as American mothers sending their sons to college"... "sending their sons to martyrdom all the time"...

I'm accustomed to better form from you, Shady, than speaking in vague generalities. You're a better debater than that. But then again, the remark that instigated this exchange was phrased as a blanket statement about Arabs, even if it was meant as a characterization of Palestinian Arabs.

[Abe]

I do not offend easily..
but I want a civil discussion..

and I never complain about others opinions..
what about you?

Then why are you complaining that you "don't have the right" to voice an opinion?

When did I complain about an opinion?

[Poisonshady313]

I disagree. It is the exception, not the norm, imo. That is a statement which is detached from reality.

Maybe you just don't want to believe it because in your world, things are truly wonderful and such horrible things just shouldn't be.

But when it's in every aspect of the media, education, and home life of these people, it's impossible to say this sort of thing is the exception.


Try reversing the ordinal positions of the two groups mentioned in Meir's sentence, and then perhaps you will begin to see the problem with her words. If you did that, you'd have a statement that doesn't reflect the truth. Given the extreme restraint shown in the face of thousands of rockets from Gaza in the course of a few years... given the thousands of text messages, phone calls, and leaflets dropped to warn civilians to get out of harm's way... given the strikes Israelis DON'T do in order to minimize civilian casualties... given the fact that Israel has NOT annexed the disputed territories because it hopes to have them be a future independent Palestinian state... I would say with some certainty that Israelis care more about protecting the lives of innocent Palestinians than Palestinians do. Sounds horrible, but the evidence points that way.

There is no excuse for Palestinian acts of terror. They are hateful and disgusting.
At least there's something we can agree on.


But as I said in my earlier post, Meir's hyperbolic soundbite does nothing to promote understanding of the complex situation in The Land; quite the contrary, as is evident by many of the obtuse posts that have appeared in this thread.

You're wrong.

[darknessesedge]

I would use a stronger description than that but probably would get in trouble in the RF.

I want to see peace just as much as the next person, but I just don't see how there ever can be.

The extremist don't want peace, they want Jews wiped off the face of the earth.

You can't negotiate with that.

You can't reason with them.

agreed.
cbn has a interesting interview about this on their site..
http://www.cbn.com/media/browse_videos_info.aspx?s=/vod/DHU54V1

and the video..
http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/DHU54V1

very scary..

[Poisonshady313]

But then again, the remark that instigated this exchange was phrased as a blanket statement about Arabs, No it wasn't. You keep misreading it that way, but in its proper historical context, it's fully and absolutely clear that she's talking about Palestinian terrorists who happen to be more common than you're willing to believe.

[lwdc]

If you did that, you'd have a statement that doesn't reflect the truth. That is your opinion.

[lwdc]

No it wasn't. You keep misreading it that way, but in its proper historical context, it's fully and absolutely clear that she's talking about Palestinian terrorists who happen to be more common than you're willing to believe.Then she should have said what she meant, rather than saying "Arabs".

It is as if someone were to say, "The Jews and their Ponzi schemes" when speaking about Madoff.

One would be rightfully indignant in either case.

[RayMan]

No it wasn't. You keep misreading it that way, but in its proper historical context, it's fully and absolutely clear that she's talking about Palestinian terrorists who happen to be more common than you're willing to believe.

I have never felt she was making a blanket indictment of all Arabs. It has always seemed to me that she was talking about Arab terrorists rather than Arabs as a group.

Haven't been a whole lot of Baptist or Catholic terrorists blowing Jews up in Israel over the past six decades. Or if there have been, they have been very stealthy about it.

[CID_0687]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHlopjHepEw&feature=related

[lwdc]

I have never felt she was making a blanket indictment of all Arabs. It has always seemed to me that she was talking about Arab terrorists rather than Arabs as a group.+1

But some of the cries demanding "War!" (and worse) that I have seen in some posts lead me to believe that others might not agree.

[Poisonshady313]

That is your opinion.

For the past 60+ years, the general trend is that Israelis have welcomed peace, and Palestinians have welcomed death.

Israelis have had to strike in order to defend themselves, and Palestinians have cried out to the western media to pity their plight they suffer at the hands of "occupiers"...

But the fact is as Benjamin Netanyahu put it, in a quote you will most assuredly object to because you can't help but ignore the intent while being hung up on the word "Arab", not realizing that he's specifically talking about Palestinian terrorists:

"‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"


That is not an opinion.

[darknessesedge]

For the past 60+ years, the general trend is that Israelis have welcomed peace, and Palestinians have welcomed death.

Israelis have had to strike in order to defend themselves, and Palestinians have cried out to the western media to pity their plight they suffer at the hands of "occupiers"...

But the fact is as Benjamin Netanyahu put it, in a quote you will most assuredly object to because you can't help but ignore the intent while being hung up on the word "Arab", not realizing that he's specifically talking about Palestinian terrorists:

"‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"


That is not an opinion.

agreed

[lwdc]

Btw, I do not wish to make Golda Meir the focus of my arguments, please, no.

It is the gross misperception that many have about strife in the ME, and the groups involved, and their reasons.

[Poisonshady313]

Then she should have said what she meant, rather than saying "Arabs".

It is as if someone were to say, "The Jews and their Ponzi schemes" when speaking about Madoff.

One would be rightfully indignant in either case.

People listening to her would have known exactly what she meant... especially because, and perhaps an older Israeli will back me up on this... I'm not sure she ever really referred to "Palestinians" as Palestinians.

Just because you stubbornly refuse to properly understand her doesn't mean she was wrong to say what she said.

[lwdc]

For the past 60+ years, the general trend is that Israelis have welcomed peace, and Palestinians have welcomed death.

Israelis have had to strike in order to defend themselves, and Palestinians have cried out to the western media to pity their plight they suffer at the hands of "occupiers"...

But the fact is as Benjamin Netanyahu put it, in a quote you will most assuredly object to because you can't help but ignore the intent while being hung up on the word "Arab", not realizing that he's specifically talking about Palestinian terrorists:

"‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"


That is not an opinion.It is.

Especially coming from Netanyahu.

[lwdc]

People listening to her would have known exactly what she meant... especially because, and perhaps an older Israeli will back me up on this... I'm not sure she ever really referred to "Palestinians" as Palestinians.

Just because you stubbornly refuse to properly understand her doesn't mean she was wrong to say what she said.I know what she meant. I said it didn't help anyone to understand the situation. For those who have poor knowledge of the ME, what she said is understood as "Israelis good, Arabs bad".

Is that what she meant? No. But apparently, many did not, and still do not, have a clue.

[lwdc]

People listening to her would have known exactly what she meant... But some, such as <poster's name omitted>, and <poster's name omitted>, and <poster's name omitted> don't seem to know.

[Poisonshady313]

Might you be willing to link to a post which indicates the poster believes that all Arabs are bad?


I could be wrong about this(and I bet you're happy to hear that I can admit to that), but I feel like the people more likely to misunderstand her quote are people who are trying to portray Israel negatively.

I mean heck... I personally try to avoid referring to "Palestinians" as Palestinians without the quotation marks, and may occasionally refer to them as Arab residents of the disputed territories.... or for short, Arabs.

When you're having a conversation about this topic, I think people are capable of figuring out that when you use the word "Arab" in a certain context, it's clear you're not talking about Saudi Arabians and Egyptians... but that you are talking about Palestinians... i.e. THE Arabs that Israel is constantly struggling with.

[lwdc]

Might you be willing to link to a post which indicates the poster believes that all Arabs are bad?


I could be wrong about this(and I bet you're happy to hear that I can admit to that), but I feel like the people more likely to misunderstand her quote are people who are trying to portray Israel negatively.

I mean heck... I personally try to avoid referring to "Palestinians" as Palestinians without the quotation marks, and may occasionally refer to them as Arab residents of the disputed territories.... or for short, Arabs.

When you're having a conversation about this topic, I think people are capable of figuring out that when you use the word "Arab" in a certain context, it's clear you're not talking about Saudi Arabians and Egyptians... but that you are talking about Palestinians... i.e. THE Arabs that Israel is constantly struggling with.I think you have seen plenty of examples of posters that have said in effect that Arabs as a group are a detestable lot. Some of them have, incorrectly, used the term "Muslim" interchangeably with "Arab", probably because they don't know any better. I don't believe I need to provide you with links.

In this thread, there are several who say with gross indifference, if not disdain, "raze the mosque!", knowing full well of the bloodshed that would ensue. Although some are "Christian", others are not. Among those who are not "Christian" (who have the excuse that Jesus' return requires it) is a rather conspicuous belief that the lives of the people who would die are worthless and expendable, especially the lives of the Arabs... not to mention the schadenfreude that has been expressed by posters, before the fact, toward grief that would be felt among Muslims (most of whom are Arab) by the destruction of their centuries-old treasure.

[Abe]

Then she should have said what she meant, rather than saying "Arabs".When discussing the Palestinian Arabs vs the Israelis, it's common to say, "Arabs". Even many Israeli Arabs say this.

It is as if someone were to say, "The Jews and their Ponzi schemes" when speaking about Madoff. The difference is that there's only one Madoff, whereas Israel arrests dozens of Arabs, every week, who are on their way to self-bomb in Israel.

By the way, there are enough people who DO mention Madoff and "The Jooz" in the same sentence.

One would be rightfully indignant in either case. If hundreds of Israelis tried to blow themselves up, (with some succeeding), killing as many people as possible in the WB, I wouldn't be offended if a Palestinian leader said, "The Jews...".

[Abe]

+1

But some of the cries demanding "War!" (and worse) that I have seen in some posts lead me to believe that others might not agree.How many of those posters are Jews?

[Abe]

People listening to her would have known exactly what she meant... especially because, and perhaps an older Israeli will back me up on this... I'm not sure she ever really referred to "Palestinians" as Palestinians.

Just because you stubbornly refuse to properly understand her doesn't mean she was wrong to say what she said.

Golda Meir has gone on record as not believing there was a Palestinian People. When speaking about them, she always said, "The Arabs".

[Abe]

It is.

Especially coming from Netanyahu. If it's an opinion, then it's one I share wholeheartedly, and I don't like Netanyahu. I've voted against him in every election he's been in, but this statement, I agree with.

[Abe]

I know what she meant. I said it didn't help anyone to understand the situation. For those who have poor knowledge of the ME, what she said is understood as "Israelis good, Arabs bad".

Is that what she meant? No. But apparently, many did not, and still do not, have a clue.

She said it as part of a speech to people who knew what she was talking about. She wasn't talking to people who were not aware of the situation.

[Abe]

I think you have seen plenty of examples of posters that have said in effect that Arabs as a group are a detestable lot. Some of them have, incorrectly, used the term "Muslim" interchangeably with "Arab", probably because they don't know any better. I don't believe I need to provide you with links.

In this thread, there are several who say with gross indifference, if not disdain, "raze the mosque!", knowing full well of the bloodshed that would ensue. Although some are "Christian", others are not. Among those who are not "Christian" (who have the excuse that Jesus' return requires it) is a rather conspicuous belief that the lives of the people who would die are worthless and expendable, especially the lives of the Arabs... not to mention the schadenfreude that has been expressed by posters, before the fact, toward grief that would be felt among Muslims (most of whom are Arab) by the destruction of their centuries-old treasure.
I agree, but this is neither Shady's nor Golda's fault. Such people will use any innocent statement by anybody to "prove" their point. They need no help. They're fine.

[Conservatizzle]

Let's hear about a Palestinian woman who loves her son...


Her son was a17-year-old terrorist who killed 5 Israeli teenagers before he was shot dead.

This is what she had to say afterward.

"I gave my son to jihad for Allah. It is our religious obligation. If I wanted to have compassion for him, or to make him change his mind, it would be wrong, a mistake. I don't want to be guided by my feelings, a mother's feelings. I put them aside for a while, for something greater. Although this is connected to a mother's feelings. Why? Because I love my son and I want to choose what's best for him. And the best is not life in this world. No, for us there is the afterlife, the eternal bliss. So, if I love my son, I will choose eternal bliss for him."



Andrea Yates would be proud.



If this is your idea of love, please tell me. This way I can know that I'll have nothing further to say to you, about anything.


Careful...

lwdc called me "sick and twisted" because I said that I *thought* that the majority of Palestinians felt this way. I was then told to go to hell.

Just wanted to warn you...

[Conservatizzle]

Here's what a terrorist himself has to say, published on Hamas websites (basically equivalent to CNN... which is to say, this isn't exactly just a home video)

"My message is to the loathed Jews that there is no god but Allah, we will chase you everywhere! We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we quench our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood. We will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owMoT1MKXDQ&feature=related


You can be sure that when he was sent to make that speech, his mother sent him to do it the same way an American mother sends her son to college. So much pride and joy in her teenage improvised explosive device... and the moment he explodes himself in the presence of Jews won't be soon enough.


I can see how much Palestinians love their children. :rolleyes:


Yeah. I can just *feel* the love!

[Conservatizzle]

"Palestinian" isn't an ethnicity.

Their identity as "Palestinians" comes from the desire to destroy Jews. The early years of the PLO had nothing whatsoever to do with seeking an independent Arab state, and had everything to do with ridding the region of Jews.

Ever stop to think that you're really rather nit picking Golda Meir's words?

It seems to me like you're getting hung up on the word "Arab" and figuring she's accusing the whole Arab world of hating their children.

Understanding that it's limited to Palestinian Arabs, you might still be inclined to figure she's making a statement about 100% of Palestinian families... which isn't the case, and it's not what anyone is saying.

The mothers who do send their children to blow themselves up certainly do not love their children.... and Palestinian terrorism never seems to go away, even when Israel gives up land, gives up prisoners, dismantles settlements, etc.

Palestinian resistance as a movement, and Palestinians as a society in general embrace with loving arms the idea that their children will blow themselves up in an effort to kill Jews. This may not be true of every individual man woman and child.... but again... in general, as a society, that is the norm. That is the ideal.

That's what Golda Meir was talking about.

So her statement: "When Arabs love their children more than they hate Jews" was absolutely accurate, and absolutely appropriate, even though your insane tendency to nit pick and over analyze the statement out of context to mean something it doesn't won't let you accept that.


Hear, hear!!!

:clap::clap::clap:

[Conservatizzle]

"as common as American mothers sending their sons to college"... "sending their sons to martyrdom all the time"...

I'm accustomed to better form from you, Shady, than speaking in vague generalities. You're a better debater than that. But then again, the remark that instigated this exchange was phrased as a blanket statement about Arabs, even if it was meant as a characterization of Palestinian Arabs.


I'm wondering why you're not telling him to "go to hell", as you told me. After all, wer're basically saying the same thing.

[Conservatizzle]

For the past 60+ years, the general trend is that Israelis have welcomed peace, and Palestinians have welcomed death.

Israelis have had to strike in order to defend themselves, and Palestinians have cried out to the western media to pity their plight they suffer at the hands of "occupiers"...

But the fact is as Benjamin Netanyahu put it, in a quote you will most assuredly object to because you can't help but ignore the intent while being hung up on the word "Arab", not realizing that he's specifically talking about Palestinian terrorists:

"‘If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel"


That is not an opinion.


Damn you're good.

[Conservatizzle]

But some, such as <poster's name omitted>, and <poster's name omitted>, and <poster's name omitted> don't seem to know.


I call BS on this. If you have a grievance against any posters in this thread, call them out. If I'm one of them then I welcome the chance to debate the validity of my posts.

For now, I'll just say FAIL.

[darknessesedge]

Careful...

lwdc called me "sick and twisted" because I said that I *thought* that the majority of Palestinians felt this way. I was then told to go to hell.

Just wanted to warn you...

that was pretty harsh of them to say that.

[lwdc]

I'm wondering why you're not telling him to "go to hell", as you told me. After all, wer're basically saying the same thing.*sigh*

You don't know when to quit, do you?

First of all, I didn't say to you what you allege. You can construe it that way, if you so choose (that is your problem), but that isn't what the phrase means when translated into English.

Secondly, you and Shady do not say that same thing. Shady is rather eloquent at times, but you are not.... at least not based on the posts of yours that I have read thus far. Maybe that will change in the future. Welcome to the boards, by the way.

Finally, I have greater respect for Shady than I do for you. Don't take it personally. Shady and I have had lengthy exchanges for a couple years now. But you I do not know. Yet.

[RayMan]

I call BS on this. If you have a grievance against any posters in this thread, call them out. If I'm one of them then I welcome the chance to debate the validity of my posts.

For now, I'll just say FAIL.


Call outs result in time outs spent on the bench watching the other kids play.

[Conservatizzle]

*sigh*

You don't know when to quit, do you?


In point of fact, I do. It's certainly not when I have someone on the ropes, as you most definately are.



First of all, I didn't say to you what you allege. You can construe it that way, if you so choose (that is your problem), but that isn't what the phrase means when translated into English.


We both know what you meant. You can be as disingenuous as you like, but you're not going to fool anyone at this stage of the game. Fail again, I'm afraid.


Secondly, you and Shady do not say that same thing. Shady is rather eloquent at times, but you are not.... at least not based on the posts of yours that I have read thus far. Maybe that will change in the future. Welcome to the boards, by the way.


Well, I could go to great lengths to re-quote my post and then quote similar posts by him, but what's the point? You know that you're lying here. My original point was that I *think* that the majority of "Palestinians " hate Jews more than they love their children. Shady is making the same point. Case closed.

Oh, and next time, you may want to extend a welcome *before* someone has 6 months and nearly 800 posts under their belt. Not exactly a "noob".



Finally, I have greater respect for Shady than I do for you. Don't take it personally. Shady and I have had lengthy exchanges for a couple years now. But you I do not know. Yet.

Let me put that in my "I care" book. It's not working out right now, but I'll be sure to try to give a crap later. The fact that you would go off on a "stranger" like that for stating an opinion is very telling, and I think I'd rather have a cup of coffee than your respect, at this point.

[RayMan]

Gee, that went well.

[Poisonshady313]

Gee, that went well.

Did you hear that Ray? lw called me eloquent.

Aren't you glad I'm your spokesman? :mrgreen:

[RayMan]

Did you hear that Ray? lw called me eloquent.

Aren't you glad I'm your spokesman? :mrgreen:

Shucks, I always knew you had it in you.

Keep up the good work. :cool:

[Poisonshady313]

but that isn't what the phrase means when translated into English

I hate to have to correct you in a post where you say so many nice things about me.... but yeah, that's what the phrase means.

[Poisonshady313]

First of all, I didn't say to you what you allege. You can construe it that way, if you so choose (that is your problem), but that isn't what the phrase means when translated into English.

Looking back at it, he made a good point about Pali schools and textbooks, and your response was bad form, even if he is a noob.


Conservatizzle...

Less than 1,000 posts... less than 1 year...

You're a noob.

Take some time to learn the ropes, have an idea of who you're dealing with... and THEN you can be indignant about people calling you a noob.

[Abe]

Take some time to learn the ropes, have an idea of who you're dealing with... and THEN you can be indignant about people calling you a noob. I don't care if people call me a noob, a boob or a cube.

Around here you need to develop a thick skin. If you start getting offended, you won't last long.

[Finality]

...

Oh, and next time, you may want to extend a welcome *before* someone has 6 months and nearly 800 posts under their belt. Not exactly a "noob".

...
Dude, if nobody knows you, you're a noob. And you're a pretty rude noob compared to most of the denizens of the RF.

Six months and 800 posts is impressive or something?

[Poisonshady313]

I don't care if people call me a noob, a boob or a cube.

Around here you need to develop a thick skin. If you start getting offended, you won't last long.

That's right, cube.

[Jacob_Rising]

"That ain't gonna happen til Messiah gets here. " :hug:It simply has to happen to some extent before the Messiah comes in order to fulfill the prophecies.

We know from Corinthians and eslewhere that the coming of the Lord is like a thief in the night and the brightness of his coming will burn the elements of the Earth and everything in it because no man can stand before God.

Before this happens, There has to be much fighting because Joseph Must be Gathered to David, and Egypt, Assyria, and Israel Must become one in the land together, and an alter in Egypt must be seen, This means that a Temple must be found in Egypt.

The House of David must become like God, Like the angel standing before the Lord{Zech}

The feeblest of David must become strong, The wealth of the nations Must be left at the feet of Judah.

Judah and Ephraim must become a praise in the nations.

There are very many promises like this but if the coming of the Lord burns the entire Earth, How will these things happen?

Luke 1:68

'' Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For he has visited and redeemed his people, And has raised up a Horn of salvation for us in the House of his servant David, as he spoke by the Mouth of his Holy Prophets, Who have been since the world began, that we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all that hate us, To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, And to remember his Holy Covenant, The oath which he swore to our father Abraham: To grant us that we, BEING DELIVERED FROM THE HAND OF OUR ENIMIES, Might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him ALL the days of our Life.


And You child, will be called the prophet of the Most highest: For you will go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways, To give knowledge of salvation to His people By remission of their sins, through the tender mercies of our God, With which the dayspring from on High has visited us; to give light to those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death, to guide your feet unto the way of peace.

Did Jesus fulfill these prophecies about the Jews promises?

No he didn't but they have to be fulfilled before the Messiah comes.

This Child here MUST stand up and bring the knowledge so that it can be said, '' Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.''

[Conservatizzle]

Looking back at it, he made a good point about Pali schools and textbooks, and your response was bad form, even if he is a noob.


Conservatizzle...

Less than 1,000 posts... less than 1 year...

You're a noob.

Take some time to learn the ropes, have an idea of who you're dealing with... and THEN you can be indignant about people calling you a noob.


Perhaps there needs to be a sticky regarding the minimum time and post count someone needs to achieve before relinquishing their noobitude. You know, just to eliminate any confusion on the topic of noobaciousness.

I've always thought it was weak sauce to discount the validity of someone's posts or generally disrespect them based on their post count anyway... Just sayin.

[Conservatizzle]

I don't care if people call me a noob, a boob or a cube.

Around here you need to develop a thick skin. If you start getting offended, you won't last long.


How about a rube? Or is that crossing the line? :cool:

[Abe]

That's right, cube.

I'm offended. :snooty:

[Conservatizzle]

Dude, if nobody knows you, you're a noob. And you're a pretty rude noob compared to most of the denizens of the RF.

Six months and 800 posts is impressive or something?


Did I say that it was? In what language does "not exactly a noob" translate to "that's impressive"?

[Poisonshady313]

Perhaps there needs to be a sticky regarding the minimum time and post count someone needs to achieve before relinquishing their noobitude. You know, just to eliminate any confusion on the topic of noobaciousness. No sticky... it's built right into that area where your name is displayed. You're a mere "Man on the Street".

You don't become a regular until you're Hannitized (1000+ posts )

Exceptions can be made if you can establish yourself as a figure to be reckoned with in the span of several hundred posts.... but those are rare.
Few and far between.

Then on the opposite end... you could sign up, post a few posts, and not really be a presence here for a few years before you start to make yourself known... in which case you could be here for years and still be a noob.

[Poisonshady313]

I'm offended. :snooty:

All complaints must be submitted in Swahili.

[Poisonshady313]

On second thought... you probably actually could do that. Damn you!

[Poisonshady313]

All complaints must be submitted in Mandarin.

Lets see you do that, wise guy.

[Conservatizzle]

No sticky... it's built right into that area where your name is displayed. You're a mere "Man on the Street".

You don't become a regular until you're Hannitized (1000+ posts )

Exceptions can be made if you can establish yourself as a figure to be reckoned with in the span of several hundred posts.... but those are rare.
Few and far between.

Then on the opposite end... you could sign up, post a few posts, and not really be a presence here for a few years before you start to make yourself known... in which case you could be here for years and still be a noob.

That's cool. However I still believe that no matter how noobile someone is, posts is posts. I've seen many occasions where a user gets trounced in a debate by someone with many fewer posts than them and resorts to the "you're new, therefore your points don't count" or "I can say things to you that I wouldn't say to others, because you're new". Again, weak sauce IMO.

[Abe]

How about a rube? Or is that crossing the line? :cool: I thought of rube when I was going through the alphabet looking for words that rhyme with noob, but I decided it could be complimentary since it was short for Ruby.

[Abe]

That's cool. However I still believe that no matter how noobile someone is, posts is posts. I've seen many occasions where a user gets trounced in a debate by someone with many fewer posts than them and resorts to the "you're new, therefore your points don't count" or "I can say things to you that I wouldn't say to others, because you're new". Again, weak sauce IMO.
True. Courtesy and sense, (both of them common), dictate that we be careful when urinating off an Honoured Guest we don't yet know. Underneath the "Noob" cloak, may be a tiger. It's a risk all posters take here.

The title of "Noob" was used to describe you as a person who, compared to Shady, (The Real Poisonshady), is relatively unknown. It does not mean that you are stupid, or that your posts do not have merit.

Just take it with good humour, grow a thick skin, smile and plan, when next you meet your nemesis, to teach him just who the noob is. Many of the Honoured guests here are deceptively mild. They'll string you along, lull you into complacency and then, when your back is turned, strike like a cobra.

Grin and bear it. We all have to suffer Ray. :evil:

[Conservatizzle]

True. Courtesy and sense, (both of them common), dictate that we be careful when urinating off an Honoured Guest we don't yet know. Underneath the "Noob" cloak, may be a tiger. It's a risk all posters take here.

The title of "Noob" was used to describe you as a person who, compared to Shady, (The Real Poisonshady), is relatively unknown. It does not mean that you are stupid, or that your posts do not have merit.

Just take it with good humour, grow a thick skin, smile and plan, when next you meet your nemesis, to teach him just who the noob is. Many of the Honoured guests here are deceptively mild. They'll string you along, lull you into complacency and then, when your back is turned, strike like a cobra.

Grin and bear it. We all have to suffer Ray. :evil:


Well said, sir.

Just to clear this up, I should state that I don't find being called a noob offensive, per se. I simply find it to be weak when one uses the relatively recent arrival or lower post count of another user to discount the validity of that user's posts. I got the impression that the user to whom I was responding was making a subtle attempt at doing this. My apologies if I was mistaken.

[Abe]

Well said, sir.

Just to clear this up, I should state that I don't find being called a noob offensive, per se. I simply find it to be weak when one uses the relatively recent arrival or lower post count of another user to discount the validity of that user's posts. I got the impression that the user to whom I was responding was making a subtle attempt at doing this. My apologies if I was mistaken.

You were, indeed, mistaken. Yon Honoured Guest is a skilled debater, a wise gentleman and a gracious person.

You'll excuse me if I vacate the premises now, there's going to be some lightning here in a second...

[Poisonshady313]

I got the impression that the user to whom I was responding was making a subtle attempt at doing this.

I suppose it is entirely possible that this is the case all along.


I mean... the post where he told you to go to hell... it was totally uncalled for, regardless of how well he does or doesn't know you.

Anyway... back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Poisonshady313]

You were, indeed, mistaken. Yon Honoured Guest is a skilled debater, a wise gentleman and a gracious person.

You'll excuse me if I vacate the premises now, there's going to be some lightning here in a second...

Conservatizzle wasn't talking about me, Abe... he was talking about lwdc.

[Abe]

Conservatizzle wasn't talking about me, Abe... he was talking about lwdc.

I know whom he was talking about. You really don't think I'd call you, "skilled debater, wise gentleman and gracious person", do you? I'd throw up before the lightning ever came...:))

[Poisonshady313]

I know whom he was talking about. You really don't think I'd call you, "skilled debater, wise gentleman and gracious person", do you?

You might... but then you'd call me Ray.... which is like referring to yourself in the fourth person, seeing as you're his spokesperson... and I'm your spokesperson.

[Conservatizzle]

You might... but then you'd call me Ray.... which is like referring to yourself in the fourth person, seeing as you're his spokesperson... and I'm your spokesperson.

Head... spinning.... can't.... compute.....

[Abe]

You might... but then you'd call me Ray.... which is like referring to yourself in the fourth person, seeing as you're his spokesperson... and I'm your spokesperson.Ouch!

[Abe]

Head... spinning.... can't.... compute.....

A little WD40 should do the trick...

[Abe]

That would keep the head spinning.

To get it to stop spinning would require a generous application of Duct tape.

Duck tape would just make a mess. WD40 would serve to spin the head in the other direction. This would cause conflicting directions, thus...detente...

[Conservatizzle]

Duck tape would just make a mess. WD40 would serve to spin the head in the other direction. This would cause conflicting directions, thus...detente...


Wait. Now that I've got my hands full of duct tape and WD40... Who is the spokesperson I'm supposed to be listening to again?

[RayMan]

Wait. Now that I've got my hands full of duct tape and WD40... Who is the spokesperson I'm supposed to be listening to again?

I would advise against listening to either Abe or myself.


Pretty much means Poison's da man.

[Conservatizzle]

I would advise against listening to either Abe or myself.


Pretty much means Poison's da man.

I cannot take your advice about not listening to you or Abe. I've been advised against it.

[Jacob_Rising]

Pretty much means Poison's da man.Poison aint da Man , Now if I had him in a open debate about Judaism, I would tear him up on the first page.

I've been wondering when Abe was going to stop toying with you and give the real girls a chance.

[Abe]

I cannot take your advice about not listening to you or Abe. I've been advised against it.Very good. As an objective bystander, I would advise that you listen to Abe.

RayGuy is what we used to call in Tanzania, "mtu mbaya!".

[Abe]

Poison aint da Man , Now if I had him in a open debate about Judaism, I would tear him up on the first page.

I've been wondering when Abe was going to stop toying with you and give the real girls a chance.

J_R, "you have been weighed, measured and found wanting".

[RayMan]

Very good. As an objective bystander, I would advise that you listen to Abe.

RayGuy is what we used to call in Tanzania, "mtu mbaya!".

Jambo Bwana Abe.

And I am not a person who is a bad example to follow.






















Yes you are.






















Shutup you.

[Jacob_Rising]

J_R, "you have been weighed, measured and found wanting".:evil:

[RayMan]

J_R, "you have been weighed, measured and found wanting".

So J_R's new diet plan has been working?


That's just super.

Congrats on the weight loss J_R.

[Abe]

Jambo Bwana Abe.

And I am not a person who is a bad example to follow.






















Yes you are.






















Shutup you.

See? Ray #2 agrees with me. Oh, and sijambo mtoto, ahsante sana.

[RayMan]

Asante sana.

[Jacob_Rising]

See? Ray #2 agrees with me. Oh, and sijambo mtoto, ahsante sana.But Number 2 always agrees with you, what's the diff?

[Conservatizzle]

Very good. As an objective bystander, I would advise that you listen to Abe.

RayGuy is what we used to call in Tanzania, "mtu mbaya!".

Asante sana!

[Jacob_Rising]

:rolleyes:No potty humor please.:rolleyes:Where is your mind Ray, you would think that.

Oh, I see, your kidding, My bad.

[Poisonshady313]

Poison aint da Man , Now if I had him in a open debate about Judaism, I would tear him up on the first page.

I've been wondering when Abe was going to stop toying with you and give the real girls a chance.

Thank you JR... I haven't laughed like that in a long time.

And I regularly listen to standup comedy, which makes your comedic achievement that much more impressive.

[Harmonious]

You guys make me smile a lot.