While Our Troops Wait - Obama Traveling to Denmark to Promote Chicago Olympics

[avergbear]

While only talking to the commanding General in Afghanistan one time since his appointment, and the decision to provide the requested support from his own General in the filed put on hold, the President is jetting off to Denmark to address a more important issue, which is to promote the Olympics for Chicago.


Reported on News Radio WFLA, Orlando.

[ogibillm]

considering that all the troops from the last increase haven't even arrived in afghanistan yet i don't think a day or two to promote a us city to the ioc is going to do any harm.

[avergbear]

COPENHAGEN (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will fly to Copenhagen on Friday to support Chicago's bid to stage the 2016 Summer Olympics, the White House said on Monday.
A personal appearance by Obama, the first by a sitting U.S. president at an Olympic session, could potentially play a crucial role in swaying votes by International Olympic Committee (IOC) members who must choose between Chicago, Madrid, Rio de Janeiro and Tokyo.


http://www.540wfla.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=6072220

[Wildbil546]

Maybe he'll at least make his second call to Afghanistan while on the long flight over to Denmark.

[Sknyluv]

It's getting really hard to take these criticisms of Obama seriously.

[avergbear]

Maybe he'll at least make his second call to Afghanistan while on the long flight over to Denmark.

More likely he would call the Justice Department to check on the progress in the prosecution of the CIA.

[Ninjacorpse]

And of course he will need time to pack then he will need time to recover from his trip and unpack, should buy him a couple weeks right?

[harumph]

More likely he would call the Justice Department to check on the progress in the prosecution of the CIA.
Either that or securing his pizza chef's flight into Denmark.

[avergbear]

Either that or securing his pizza chef's flight into Denmark.

More likely a Date Night in Denmark.

With a food taster, of course.

[Mustang JEB]

This is picture perfect Obamessiah...

I'd expect nothing "less" from him.

[harumph]

More likely a Date Night in Denmark.
You know, I always wondered about that. ;)
Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[toreyj01]

The World's Fair in Chicago transformed the city, so the Olympics would be just marvelous there. I love Chicago in the Summertime, and think it would be great for the city.

Hope he helps, thats a ton of money for a great city.

[avergbear]

The World's Fair in Chicago transformed the city, so the Olympics would be just marvelous there. I love Chicago in the Summertime, and think it would be great for the city.

Hope he helps, thats a ton of money for a great city.

Meanwhile, out troops sway in the wind and die in Afghanistan while waiting for the requested support from the Commander in Chief.

If Obama wanted to be Mayor of Chicago, he should have run for that office.

[XTankLt]

The World's Fair in Chicago transformed the city, so the Olympics would be just marvelous there. I love Chicago in the Summertime, and think it would be great for the city.

Hope he helps, thats a ton of money for a great city.

Silly goose... which one? :lol:

[Sknyluv]

Meanwhile, out troops sway in the wind and die in Afghanistan while waiting for the requested support from the Commander in Chief.


Wow. Where was this concern over the feasibility of the conflict in Afghanistan the past 8 years?

[fallenturtle]

While only talking to the commanding General in Afghanistan one time since his appointment, and the decision to provide the requested support from his own General in the filed put on hold, the President is jetting off to Denmark to address a more important issue, which is to promote the Olympics for Chicago.


Reported on News Radio WFLA, Orlando.

Was it reported that the decision was put on hold while he goes to Denmark or are you just assuming?

[ogibillm]

Meanwhile, out troops sway in the wind and die in Afghanistan while waiting for the requested support from the Commander in Chief.

If Obama wanted to be Mayor of Chicago, he should have run for that office.

and again, given that not all of the troops from the last increase have arrived in afghanistan i don't believe a weekend away will really make any difference.

[spearmaster]

It's getting really hard to take these criticisms of Obama seriously.

You don't take any of them seriously because you would support him no matter what.

[Cutiepie]

The World's Fair in Chicago transformed the city, so the Olympics would be just marvelous there. I love Chicago in the Summertime, and think it would be great for the city.

Hope he helps, thats a ton of money for a great city.



Well, I will tell you right now you are wrong. I live in Atlanta where we had the Olympics in 1996. Sure it created money WHILE the olympics were here. After it was done so was the money. Venue's that were built for the olympics is no longer in use. Although the olympic stadium that was built that is now the Altanta Braves baseball park. But, again, they had to remodel that so to fit it into a baseball park. The olympics had it's pros and cons. Pros was that the traffic was extremely light. You could get into your favorite restaurants within five minutes. I am saying this b/c the news scared people out of town which worked out great for those of us who stayed. You can rent out your house but, there is a whole lot more there then meets the eye. We thought about it and changed our minds. In order to rent out your house you literally have to do major upgrades to your home. Sure you think that isn't a big deal but, it is a big deal if you are a tight budget.

The cons like I said venues that were built are no longer in use and us taxpayer's are stuck with paying for it.

[Cutiepie]

Wow. Where was this concern over the feasibility of the conflict in Afghanistan the past 8 years?



We didn't have ANY troops in Afghanistan? We did.

[spearmaster]

The World's Fair in Chicago transformed the city, so the Olympics would be just marvelous there. I love Chicago in the Summertime, and think it would be great for the city.

Hope he helps, thats a ton of money for a great city.

What would be great for Chicago is if corrupt politicians like Obama would leave. Besides, what's wrong with Rio De Janeiro hosting the Olympics? Since when is it his job to go stick his nose in that? Can't he send someone else on his behalf?

[ogibillm]

What would be great for Chicago is if corrupt politicians like Obama would leave. Besides, what's wrong with Rio De Janeiro hosting the Olympics? Since when is it his job to go stick his nose in that? Can't he send someone else on his behalf?

it'd be good for both chicago and the united states.

why shouldn't a man from chicago and the president of the united states take an interest?

[spearmaster]

Wow. Where was this concern over the feasibility of the conflict in Afghanistan the past 8 years?

Wow, where are the libs who were hammering Bush over the troops lacking the equipment they needed, such as body armor and armor for vehicles?

[spearmaster]

it'd be good for both chicago and the united states.

why shouldn't a man from chicago and the president of the united states take an interest?

Because there are more pressing issues that are part of a job he was elected to do. If he doesn't like doing his job maybe he should step down and go goof off on his own dime.

[Cutiepie]

it'd be good for both chicago and the united states.

why shouldn't a man from chicago and the president of the united states take an interest?




out of curiosity how would it be good for the USA? We have had the winter and the summer olympics here before.

[ogibillm]

Because they're are more pressing issues that are part of a job he was elected to do. If he doesn't like doing his job maybe he should step down and go goof off on his own dime.

that's weird. i thought international relations were a part of the president's job.

[ogibillm]

out of curiosity how would it be good for the USA? We have had the winter and the summer olympics here before.

and we'll have them again. but if you don't believe that all that foreign money, all the good press, and all the attention isn't good for the us i don't suppose i'll be able to convince you otherwise.

[wildcat87]

One would think it might be wise to wait until the recount is done in the Afghan Presidential elections before making a decision, no?

Is it not wise to actually know who we would be dealing with before committing more troops?

[spearmaster]

that's weird. i thought international relations were a part of the president's job.

That's weird I don't think whoever host the Olympics puts our interest in anymore or any less danger there fore it's not pressing. However making sure our troops have the tools they need to do their job and Iran launching missiles are pressing issues.

[Greyghost]

It's getting really hard to take these criticisms of Obama seriously.

Oh so I take it you and the rest of the left think this is a great way to spend taxpayer money? Do you think this is what Obama should be worried about in the middle of a recession when millions of people have lost their jobs and more jobs being lost every day? Not to mention he has to bring his wife along to help him lobby for it. Yea right this is yet another example of the Obama's sticking it to the hard working tax payers while they go galloping across the globe at our expense.

What IS getting hard to take serious is all the liberals who actually think there is nothing wrong with this or any other ridiculous thing this man has done and is doing. So yes this criticism is well deserved of this embarrassment of a president.

[Cutiepie]

and we'll have them again. but if you don't believe that all that foreign money, all the good press, and all the attention isn't good for the us i don't suppose i'll be able to convince you otherwise.



ehhh, I live here in Georgia. That foreign money is only good during the olympics. When that flame goes out so does the money.

[harumph]

and we'll have them again. but if you don't believe that all that foreign money, all the good press, and all the attention isn't good for the us i don't suppose i'll be able to convince you otherwise.
I think the Mayor-In-Chief has his priorities a little skewed. If this is his idea of International Relations, what is the Obama Doctrine? A book club?

[opsyscw]

The World's Fair in Chicago transformed the city, so the Olympics would be just marvelous there. I love Chicago in the Summertime, and think it would be great for the city.

Hope he helps, thats a ton of money for a great city.
It will cost all of us taxpayes, from Florida to Californian to New York to Texas, from Washington state to Georgia, a ton of federal taxpayer dollars for Obama to target money to his hometown.

I wonder if Chicago wins the Olympics if Obama will get Acorn as the primary organizer of the event.

I will give him some credit, his Chicago thug mentality could work to Chicago's advantage.

[Greyghost]

it'd be good for both chicago and the united states.

why shouldn't a man from chicago and the president of the united states take an interest?

Give me a break. You act as if this is fine and great for the country only because it is your messiah doing it. I guarantee you that you and the rest of the liberals would be up in arms if this was a Republican president going lobby for this in the middle of a recession and when millions have lost and are losing jobs every day. And when our brave soldiers are off fighting two wars and the great one only has time for 1 damn phone conversation in 70 days with the General in charge.

[nick21ia]

Oh so I take it you and the rest of the left think this is a great way to spend taxpayer money? Do you think this is what Obama should be worried about in the middle of a recession when millions of people have lost their jobs and more jobs being lost every day? Not to mention he has to bring his wife along to help him lobby for it. Yea right this is yet another example of the Obama's sticking it to the hard working tax payers while they go galloping across the globe at our expense.

What IS getting hard to take serious is all the liberals who actually think there is nothing wrong with this or any other ridiculous thing this man has done and is doing. So yes this criticism is well deserved of this embarrassment of a president.

I not mentioning all the other things he has or hasn't done. Put flying to over and supportign the USA in getting the olympics is not something he is doing wrong. Only partisan hacks would think that is wrong.

Also what decision is he putting off. I haven't read anything that says the mailitary is waiting on a decision from him. If someone could supply that, i would love to see it.

[wildcat87]

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-02/sports/sp-637_1_olympic-games

Bush Backs Atlanta's Bid to Host 1996 Olympic Games
April 02, 1990
ATLANTA — President Bush today made a pitch for Atlanta to host the 1996 Summer Olympics and promised not to let politics intrude.

Bush, after addressing a broadcasters convention, visited a scale-model exhibit of proposed and existing sport facilities that the Atlanta Organizing Committee is using in its bid to win the Games. Bush greeted several members of the International Olympic Committee.

"I don't want to put the hard sell on anybody, but I feel very strongly about it, and I also believe it is very good for the Olympics to . . . come to the United States right often," Bush said.

[Greyghost]

and we'll have them again. but if you don't believe that all that foreign money, all the good press, and all the attention isn't good for the us i don't suppose i'll be able to convince you otherwise.

JUst like it is impossible to point out to you and the rest of the liberals that this is NOT what the president should be spending his time or taxpayer money doing. I doubt you would ever understand that while a "Democrat" is in the white house.

[aep1974]

that's weird. i thought international relations were a part of the president's job.

Please take off your rose-colored Obama glasses for a minute and listen to what you are saying. This is junior level, send the intern type crap we're talking about here. A POTUS doesn't concern himself with such small peanuts when there are bigger INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS (your words) things going on - like a war where our soldiers are in harms way.

[harumph]

I not mentioning all the other things he has or hasn't done. Put flying to over and supportign the USA in getting the olympics is not something he is doing wrong. Only partisan hacks would think that is wrong.

Also what decision is he putting off. I haven't read anything that says the mailitary is waiting on a decision from him. If someone could supply that, i would love to see it.
I don't recall how much our government ponied up for Atlanta's run for the roses, but I bet it didn't come close to what we're going to dole out for this Chicago run.

[aep1974]

Oh so I take it you and the rest of the left think this is a great way to spend taxpayer money? Do you think this is what Obama should be worried about in the middle of a recession when millions of people have lost their jobs and more jobs being lost every day? Not to mention he has to bring his wife along to help him lobby for it. Yea right this is yet another example of the Obama's sticking it to the hard working tax payers while they go galloping across the globe at our expense.

What IS getting hard to take serious is all the liberals who actually think there is nothing wrong with this or any other ridiculous thing this man has done and is doing. So yes this criticism is well deserved of this embarrassment of a president.

Obama is the worst kind of micro-manager! I couldn't stand working for micro-managers in my past careers. This guy just HAS to stick his nose in EVERYTHING out there. It's getting tiresome.

[Cutiepie]

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-02/sports/sp-637_1_olympic-games



He didn't fly to another country on taxpayer's dime to do this.

[aep1974]

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-04-02/sports/sp-637_1_olympic-games

Gee, it sounds like Bush was actually IN Atlanta when he made an off-handed comment during an otherwise-scheduled press event that it would be a great boon if Atlanta got the Olympics.

Compare that to the Obamas getting on a plane, on our dime, to make a specific scouting trip to Denmark to lobby for Chicago.

:think:

[clearcarbon]

While only talking to the commanding General in Afghanistan one time since his appointment, and the decision to provide the requested support from his own General in the filed put on hold, the President is jetting off to Denmark to address a more important issue, which is to promote the Olympics for Chicago.


Reported on News Radio WFLA, Orlando.

Is he taking his
secretary of state
with him?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Portraits/Hikton/think_vik300.jpg

[spearmaster]

Is he taking his
secretary of state
with him?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Portraits/Hikton/think_vik300.jpg

LOL that's a funny pic.

[avergbear]

He didn't fly to another country on taxpayer's dime to do this.

Nor did Bush neglect our troops.

[wildcat87]

Gee, it sounds like Bush was actually IN Atlanta when he made an off-handed comment during an otherwise-scheduled press event that it would be a great boon if Atlanta got the Olympics.

Compare that to the Obamas getting on a plane, on our dime, to make a specific scouting trip to Denmark to lobby for Chicago.

:think:

Yes, an off-handed comment with an accidental small scale model of the Olympic venues on hand...

So is the argument now that the President shouldn't be promoting US Olympic bid or that he shouldn't fly to international places where the actual Olympic Committee is?

[harumph]

Is he taking his
secretary of state
with him?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Portraits/Hikton/think_vik300.jpg

Hillary channeling her viking side.

[simssk]

Gee, it sounds like Bush was actually IN Atlanta when he made an off-handed comment during an otherwise-scheduled press event that it would be a great boon if Atlanta got the Olympics.

Compare that to the Obamas getting on a plane, on our dime, to make a specific scouting trip to Denmark to lobby for Chicago.

:think:

That's because the obamas think we need to be doing the sacrificing while they travel around the world.

Sacrifice you peons, sacrifice - so the wife and I can have a nice date night in Copenhagen.

Wonder how many people could have had health insurance from the cost of this trip?

Or how many people would have health insurance for the cost of the Olympics in Chicago.

Of course, getting the Olympics to Chicago pays back the big guys he owes so much in return for the costs of his campaign.

[avergbear]

Is he taking his
secretary of state
with him?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/clearcarbon/Portraits/Hikton/think_vik300.jpg

I believe Hillary actually tried to join the Viking Horde when she was in her late 20’s, but her age and eyesight kept her out.

[aep1974]

Yes, an off-handed comment with an accidental small scale model of the Olympic venues on hand...

So is the argument now that the President shouldn't be promoting US Olympic bid or that he shouldn't fly to international places where the actual Olympic Committee is?

The argument is that he shouldn't fly to international places where the actual Olympic Committee is located to lobby for a U.S. city (which just so happens to be one where he maintains a permanent residence) because (a) it's beneath the job of POTUS and he can send someone else to do his international bidding; (b) he's got more pressing issues, one being the Afghanistan issue mentioned in the OP; and (c) it will cost taxpayers money to fund this trip for both him and his WIFE when unemployment is at record highs and we're in a very bad recession/close-to-depression.

So, no....he shouldn't be doing this.

[wildcat87]

The argument is that he shouldn't fly to international places where the actual Olympic Committee is located to lobby for a U.S. city (which just so happens to be one where he maintains a permanent residence) because (a) it's beneath the job of POTUS and he can send someone else to do his international bidding; (b) he's got more pressing issues, one being the Afghanistan issue mentioned in the OP; and (c) it will cost taxpayers money to fund this trip for both him and his WIFE when unemployment is at record highs and we're in a very bad recession/close-to-depression.

So, no....he shouldn't be doing this.

I'll ask again.

Should we wait to see who wins the Afghan Presidential election recount before we make a commitment to sending more troops?

[avergbear]

I'll ask again.

Should we wait to see who wins the Afghan Presidential election recount before we make a commitment to sending more troops?

NO!

We should follow the advise of our commanders on the ground and give them the tools they need to win, or we should immediately withdrawal all of the troops.

To do otherwise is immoral.

[harumph]

The argument is that he shouldn't fly to international places where the actual Olympic Committee is located to lobby for a U.S. city (which just so happens to be one where he maintains a permanent residence) because (a) it's beneath the job of POTUS and he can send someone else to do his international bidding; (b) he's got more pressing issues, one being the Afghanistan issue mentioned in the OP; and (c) it will cost taxpayers money to fund this trip for both him and his WIFE when unemployment is at record highs and we're in a very bad recession/close-to-depression.

So, no....he shouldn't be doing this.
But he's so International, now.

He sure likes spending my money. Hopefully everyone connected to this is being well compensated. I'd hate to think anyone is going out-of-pocket for any of this.

[Sknyluv]

Oh so I take it you and the rest of the left think this is a great way to spend taxpayer money? Do you think this is what Obama should be worried about in the middle of a recession when millions of people have lost their jobs and more jobs being lost every day? Not to mention he has to bring his wife along to help him lobby for it. Yea right this is yet another example of the Obama's sticking it to the hard working tax payers while they go galloping across the globe at our expense.

What IS getting hard to take serious is all the liberals who actually think there is nothing wrong with this or any other ridiculous thing this man has done and is doing. So yes this criticism is well deserved of this embarrassment of a president.

A one night trip to Denmark to lobby the IOC to get the Olympics in Chicago? Are the tax payer dollars worth it? Yes.

Let's break this down again. One night. Plane trip. To Denmark. Back the next day. To bring. The Olympics to Chicago.

In the grand scheme of things, THIS is what gets you upset? Your tax dollars being used to get the Olympics in Chicago. Really?

Nothing to do with it being Obama, right? Nothing?

[harumph]

A one night trip to Denmark to lobby the IOC to get the Olympics in Chicago? Are the tax payer dollars worth it? Yes.

Let's break this down again. One night. Plane trip. To Denmark. Back the next day. To bring. The Olympics to Chicago.

In the grand scheme of things, THIS is what gets you upset? Your tax dollars being used to get the Olympics in Chicago. Really?

Nothing to do with it being Obama, right? Nothing?
Has a lot to do with being the Commander-In-Chief and not the Mayor-At-Large. One thing is supremely obvious: his arrogance is showing.

[Sknyluv]

Has a lot to do with being the Commander-In-Chief and not the Mayor-At-Large. One thing is supremely obvious: his arrogance is showing.

How is that? He has a personal connection with Chicago and has the chance to give back to his hometown and the country at large? That is being arrogant?

[avergbear]

A one night trip to Denmark to lobby the IOC to get the Olympics in Chicago? Are the tax payer dollars worth it? Yes.

Let's break this down again. One night. Plane trip. To Denmark. Back the next day. To bring. The Olympics to Chicago.

In the grand scheme of things, THIS is what gets you upset? Your tax dollars being used to get the Olympics in Chicago. Really?

Nothing to do with it being Obama, right? Nothing?

No, what has me upset is his neglect of our troops deployed in the field while he repays political capital to his cronies in Chicago.

Disgusting and immoral.

[Sknyluv]

No, what has me upset is his neglect of our troops deployed in the field while he repays political capital to his cronies in Chicago.

Disgusting and immoral.

So by your logic, he should devote 100% of his time to the war in Afghanistan?

Do you think Presidents are unable to stay on top of multiple issues at once?

[avergbear]

So by your logic, he should devote 100% of his time to the war in Afghanistan?

Do you think Presidents are unable to stay on top of multiple issues at once?

No, but the troops should have first priority.

Under Obama, they do not.

[Sknyluv]

No, but the troops should have first priority.

Under Obama, they do not.

And you know the troops aren't a top priority how?

And this is evident because he is going to Denmark for a night to lobby the IOC? Was he neglecting the troops when he attended the G20? Was he neglecting the troops when he spoke at the UN?

[avergbear]

And you know the troops aren't a top priority how?

And this is evident because he is going to Denmark for a night to lobby the IOC? Was he neglecting the troops when he attended the G20? Was he neglecting the troops when he spoke at the UN?

You ask a question like that and then you wonder why people are protesting in the streets.

[Sknyluv]

You ask a question like that and then you wonder why people are protesting in the streets.

And the response proves to me the volume from the far right exceeds reason.

[harumph]

How is that? He has a personal connection with Chicago and has the chance to give back to his hometown and the country at large? That is being arrogant?
Using the company plane for a self-serving jaunt is as arrogant as it can be. Yes.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

Has Obama even spent one week at the Whitehouse yet?

Or, Is he still phoning it in?

[mtbeaches]

So by your logic, he should devote 100% of his time to the war in Afghanistan?

Do you think Presidents are unable to stay on top of multiple issues at once?Why is it that we have to hurry to pass the largest stimulus bill ever, and hurry to pass a health care bill....but we can wait and see what happens in Afghanistan and N. Korea?

Really, I don't think its very presidential for him to hop on a plane to plead the case for the Olympics to be held in Chicago.

Anyway, I thought "winning" makes him feel "uncomfortable" So he doesn't have a problem with our country winning a game, he just has a problem with our country winning a war?

[supreme_war_Pig]

While only talking to the commanding General in Afghanistan one time since his appointment, and the decision to provide the requested support from his own General in the filed put on hold, the President is jetting off to Denmark to address a more important issue, which is to promote the Olympics for Chicago.

Wow, this is a stretch...well...not for average bear, who has a highly advanced case of ODS, but for the rest of us. Are you honestly saying that Obama is dropping everything for this trip? Really? C'mon man.

[fallenturtle]

To do otherwise is immoral.

It's a war... it was immoral from the get go.

[supreme_war_Pig]

And the response proves to me the volume from the far right exceeds reason.

Their ODS overwhelms everything else.

[Cutiepie]

It's a war... it was immoral from the get go.



so, we shouldn't have done a thing when Bin Laden had those planes slam into the WTC, and the Pentagon and in the field in PA? Are you kidding me?

[RedStatePaPa]

so, we shouldn't have done a thing when Bin Laden had those planes slam into the WTC, and the Pentagon and in the field in PA? Are you kidding me?

Libs just want to turn the other cheek... as long as it isn't theirs.

[ogibillm]

No, what has me upset is his neglect of our troops deployed in the field while he repays political capital to his cronies in Chicago.

Disgusting and immoral.

nobody is being neglected.

how does it feel to be everything you claimed to hate so much in 'libs?'

[fallenturtle]

so, we shouldn't have done a thing when Bin Laden had those planes slam into the WTC, and the Pentagon and in the field in PA? Are you kidding me?

No, we should have done something, but that doesn't make war any less immoral, does it? After all, you are killing people.

[fallenturtle]

their ods overwhelms everything else.
hds

[Cutiepie]

No, we should have done something, but that doesn't make war any less immoral, does it? After all, you are killing people.



and we wouldn't be doing that if they hadn't of come over to our country that is absolutely awful according to them to use our stuff and live over here making money. I have no sympathy for terrorists period. I hope we kill them all.

[kenpoman]

grow up folks.
the business of this nation goes on regardless of what
occurs in A-stan.

just as it did under Bush 43.

[fallenturtle]

and we wouldn't be doing that if they hadn't of come over to our country that is absolutely awful according to them to use our stuff and live over here making money. I have no sympathy for terrorists period. I hope we kill them all.
We went to war because they came over here to use our stuff and make money? Don't you mean we went to war because they attacked us?

[kenpoman]

for what its worth, I hate the idea of this nation ever hosting the Olympics
ever again. having lived thru it, it ends up being a tremendous waste of
money and resources.

[Cutiepie]

We went to war because they came over here to use our stuff and make money? Don't you mean we went to war because they attacked us?


yes, but while here they made money. Terrorists are useless. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Let me try to explain what I mean. According to them we are evil for having all of this so called stuff, like money, etc. Yet, when Bin Laden planned this he saw nothing wrong with having them come over and live in this evil place. What I find amazing is he thinks money is evil yet he is rich. I have yet to figure out people like him who thinks all of that is evil but they have all the stuff they consider evil.

[harumph]

for what its worth, I hate the idea of this nation ever hosting the Olympics
ever again. having lived thru it, it ends up being a tremendous waste of
money and resources.
Does it surprise me that this president is trying to push a money hole event? Not in the least. But for him to be arrogant enough to think he'll be the hero on this is the reason why so many are so disappointed with these guys. This is a no-win situation. Chicago wins, we lose. Chicago loses, we lose.

Bottom line: waste of money either way.

[JohnCraven]

This begs for a new David Letterman Top 10 list.

What are the top 10 things that are less important than having the Olympics in Chicago in Obama's world?

10. An economy that works.
09. Unemployment at less than 10%
08. Being energy independent
07. Saving Social Security
06. Saving Medicare
05. Victory in Afghanistan
04. Saving traditional marriage
03. Saving the best healthcare system in the world
02. Listening to speeches by Qaddafi and Chavez and Castro
01. Date night with Michelle in New York

JohnCraven
New Orleans:flag:

[kenpoman]

Does it surprise me that this president is trying to push a money hole event? Not in the least. But for him to be arrogant enough to think he'll be the hero on this is the reason why so many are so disappointed with these guys. This is a no-win situation. Chicago wins, we lose. Chicago loses, we lose.

Bottom line: waste of money either way.

now this I agree with completely.

but in the larger picture, since folks seem to want that boondoggle back
on our shores, its part and parcel of his job to do what he can to help
bring them.

can we please save the criticisms for things which really matter?

[harumph]

now this I agree with completely.

but in the larger picture, since folks seem to want that boondoggle back
on our shores, its part and parcel of his job to do what he can to help
bring them.

can we please save the criticisms for things which really matter?
It's obvious he doesn't even know what his job is. Don't blame us.
And, NO. His job is NOT to bring the Olympics to the states (er, Chicago).
I'm pretty sure just because you've given the directive to save the criticisms, that doesn't make this move less stupid or stop the thread.

[Plasmaball]

Nor did Bush neglect our troops.

You cant be serious Bear!
I know its fun to be all revisionist for the sake of being partisan, but seriously we all know about the body armor-gate that fell under Bush.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

Wow, this is a stretch...well...not for average bear, who has a highly advanced case of ODS, but for the rest of us. Are you honestly saying that Obama is dropping everything for this trip? Really? C'mon man.

Drop everything?

With all the personal engagements he does…when does Obama have the time to make time for his job?

[mamapajamas]

considering that all the troops from the last increase haven't even arrived in afghanistan yet i don't think a day or two to promote a us city to the ioc is going to do any harm.

My question would be, Why on earth would ANYONE want to hold the Olympics in the corruption capital of the world?

[kenpoman]

It's obvious he doesn't even know what his job is. Don't blame us.
And, NO. His job is NOT to bring the Olympics to the states (er, Chicago).
I'm pretty sure just because you've given the directive to save the criticisms, that doesn't make this move less stupid or stop the thread.

so you're saying POTUS job is not to act in the interests of these United States?

if you want to go on some stupid rampage about Obama not liking Chocolate
milk, or liking fried eggs over scrambled go right ahead.

serious folk will deal with the grown up issues.

[markdido]

How is that? He has a personal connection with Chicago and has the chance to give back to his hometown and the country at large? That is being arrogant?

Yep,

Lots union crony palms to grease.

[harumph]

so you're saying POTUS job is not to act in the interests of these United States?

if you want to go on some stupid rampage about Obama not liking Chocolate
milk, or liking fried eggs over scrambled go right ahead.

serious folk will deal with the grown up issues.
I tell you what. When he grows up, I will too. ;)

He's hopping AF1 to save the Olympics for his hometown. Rah, rah.
He's not doing this for The United States of America. Since when has he cared about this country (I'm actually being serious, here)?

[kenpoman]

I tell you what. When he grows up, I will too. ;)

He's hopping AF1 to save the Olympics for his hometown. Rah, rah.
He's not doing this for The United States of America. Since when has he cared about this country (I'm actually being serious, here)?

I'm not gonna argue this, as there is much truth in that.
I'm looking at the job, not the man in the job.

and the job does require POTUS to promote the interests of the United States.
and sadly, right now WTP seem to think bringing the Olympics back here
is a national interest.

to me, its a Roman bread and circuses thing. distract the people so they
don't see how badlly you're screwing them.

[Plasmaball]

yes, but while here they made money. Terrorists are useless. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Let me try to explain what I mean. According to them we are evil for having all of this so called stuff, like money, etc. Yet, when Bin Laden planned this he saw nothing wrong with having them come over and live in this evil place. What I find amazing is he thinks money is evil yet he is rich. I have yet to figure out people like him who thinks all of that is evil but they have all the stuff they consider evil.

The founding fathers where treasonist terrorists back in the day. Not all terrorists are useless are they? Its all in how you take events.

Sometimes in order to defeat the enemy you must become the enemy. using our resources and money is actually quite cost effective.

You really think they hate you because you drive a Chevy? They hate you because America is in their back yard.

Tell me something, a stranger comes into your back yard. You going to welcome him in for tea? Or are you going to say get the **** out of here before i call the cops?

10-1 says you call the cops or get your baseball bat.

[kenpoman]

The founding fathers where treasonist terrorists back in the day. Not all terrorists are useless are they? Its all in how you take events.

Sometimes in order to defeat the enemy you must become the enemy. using our resources and money is actually quite cost effective.

You really think they hate you because you drive a Chevy? They hate you because America is in their back yard.

Tell me something, a stranger comes into your back yard. You going to welcome him in for tea? Or are you going to say get the **** out of here before i call the cops?

10-1 says you call the cops or get your baseball bat.

while there is truth in this, its also over simplistic.

doing profoundly violent and evil things for the pettist of reasons
is as old as humanity.

[jprin]

Yep,

Lots union crony palms to grease.

So, can you cite the story that tells us only Democrats and/or cronies are planned to benefit? Perhaps Republicans might publicly demonstrate their outrage by joining together and boycotting participation if it comes to Chicago? Now THAT would be brave. No participating restaurants, tourist sites, hotels, bars, or shops that are owned by Republicans in a unified effort to show their anger at Obama for taking a day to support the olympics in Chicago.

[mtbeaches]

The founding fathers where treasonist terrorists back in the day. Not all terrorists are useless are they? Its all in how you take events.

Sometimes in order to defeat the enemy you must become the enemy. using our resources and money is actually quite cost effective.

You really think they hate you because you drive a Chevy? They hate you because America is in their back yard.

Tell me something, a stranger comes into your back yard. You going to welcome him in for tea? Or are you going to say get the **** out of here before i call the cops?

10-1 says you call the cops or get your baseball bat.The founding fathers were terrorists???? THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TERRORISTS. What innocent people did the ruthlessly murder? I've heard them called rich racist alcoholics, but now terrorists. That's ridiculous.

[kenpoman]

The founding fathers were terrorists???? THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TERRORISTS. What innocent people did the ruthlessly murder? I've heard them called rich racist alcoholics, but now terrorists.

in a very techncial sense, from the British POV they were.

[ogibillm]

The founding fathers were terrorists???? THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE TERRORISTS. What innocent people did the ruthlessly murder? I've heard them called rich racist alcoholics, but now terrorists. That's ridiculous.

you don't have to kill people to be a terrorist.

what would you call the boston tea party?

[mtbeaches]

so you're saying POTUS job is not to act in the interests of these United States?

if you want to go on some stupid rampage about Obama not liking Chocolate
milk, or liking fried eggs over scrambled go right ahead.

serious folk will deal with the grown up issues.Actining in interest of US. Oh, that's what he's doing...I think not!

[fallenturtle]

yes, but while here they made money. Terrorists are useless. The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

Let me try to explain what I mean. According to them we are evil for having all of this so called stuff, like money, etc. Yet, when Bin Laden planned this he saw nothing wrong with having them come over and live in this evil place. What I find amazing is he thinks money is evil yet he is rich. I have yet to figure out people like him who thinks all of that is evil but they have all the stuff they consider evil.

His issue wasn't our stuff and our money, it was our presence in the Middle East and our support of Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatāwā_of_Osama_bin_Laden

[wildcat87]

So, can you cite the story that tells us only Democrats and/or cronies are planned to benefit? Perhaps Republicans might publicly demonstrate their outrage by joining together and boycotting participation if it comes to Chicago? Now THAT would be brave. No participating restaurants, tourist sites, hotels, bars, or shops that are owned by Republicans in a unified effort to show their anger at Obama for taking a day to support the olympics in Chicago.

I think it's worth remembering during this conversation that Chicago was picked as the US bid city long before Obama won the nomination

http://chicago.about.com/od/chicagos2016olympicbid/p/OlympicsFastFacts.htm


I'll also go on record and say I think the IOC is going to pick Rio....

[avergbear]

in a very techncial sense, from the British POV they were.

And only a liberal would go out of their way to view it in that context.

This is why liberals are so reviled.

[ogibillm]

And only a liberal would go out of their way to view it in that context.

This is why liberals are so reviled.

only the unintelligent lack the ability to view things in different contexts and from different points of view.

that is why they're 'conservatives'

[jprin]

The decision has most likely already been made. It's hard for me to believe Obama, or any president, would risk the potential embarrassment. I'm betting the Friday meeting is a formality, that the decision is known and has been telegraphed, and Obama's appearance will add publicity to the event which the IOCC no doubt appreciates, and adds political points for the State that gave Obama his political start.

Personally, I think it sets a bad precedent where leaders of nations will likely now be excpected to throw their support into the process, further turning the olympics into global polical theater rather than the neutral amateur sports showcase originally intended.

[Dim Reefer]

Wow. Where was this concern over the feasibility of the conflict in Afghanistan the past 8 years?


ask obama.. he was the one making a big deal about it..

[jprin]

I think it's worth remembering during this conversation that Chicago was picked as the US bid city long before Obama won the nomination

http://chicago.about.com/od/chicagos2016olympicbid/p/OlympicsFastFacts.htm


I'll also go on record and say I think the IOC is going to pick Rio....

Just saw your post after my second. I know a lot of folks believe Rio is going to win. They might..........................

[Sneaky SF Dude]

it'd be good for both chicago and the united states.

why shouldn't a man from chicago and the president of the united states take an interest?

Which man from Chicago?

[ogibillm]

Which man from Chicago?

yeah. let's pretend obama never lived in chicago. that makes sense

[fallenturtle]

The decision has most likely already been made. It's hard for me to believe Obama, or any president, would risk the potential embarrassment. I'm betting the Friday meeting is a formality, that the decision is known and has been telegraphed, and Obama's appearance will add publicity to the event which the IOCC no doubt appreciates, and adds political points for the State that gave Obama his political start.

Personally, I think it sets a bad precedent where leaders of nations will likely now be excpected to throw their support into the process, further turning the olympics into global polical theater rather than the neutral amateur sports showcase originally intended.

From what I heard on the radio, all the countries contending will have their Heads of State present.

[Sneaky SF Dude]

yeah. let's pretend obama never lived in chicago. that makes sense

He's from Kenya/Hawaii. He's not from Chicago.

[ogibillm]

He's from Kenya/Hawaii. He's not from Chicago.

i was born in marshall, mo. grew up in a town north of kansas city. i call columbia home. i am a man from columbia.

and you can quit now with the birther ********.

[ModerateVoice]

If the Olympics come to Chicago, I wonder if the liberals will try to make race-baiting an Olympic sport?

[ModerateVoice]

The founding fathers where treasonist terrorists back in the day. Not all terrorists are useless are they? Its all in how you take events.

<snip>

This snippet from your post is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum.

[ogibillm]

This snippet from your post is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum.

what do you call the boston tea party?

[ModerateVoice]

what do you call the boston tea party?

How many innocent civilians were slaughtered during the Boston Tea Party?

[ogibillm]

How many innocent civilians were slaughtered during the Boston Tea Party?

not a terrorism requirement

[DDawg]

Sounds like something is rotten in Denmark ... oh Wait, its just the Obamassiah!

[ModerateVoice]

not a terrorism requirement


Only a liberal would ever consider the founding of our nation an act of terrorism...........gee, and you wonder why conservatives question a liberals patriotism at times.

[mtbeaches]

what do you call the boston tea party?
You're equating the Boston Tea Party to terrorism? I guess for the tea it was rather terrible. :flag:

[mtbeaches]

not a terrorism requirement
Educate me, what are the requirements to be terrorist?

[mtbeaches]

If the Olympics come to Chicago, I wonder if the liberals will try to make race-baiting an Olympic sport?
Yea...I'd put my money on Rev. Wright for the gold.

[Greyghost]

A one night trip to Denmark to lobby the IOC to get the Olympics in Chicago? Are the tax payer dollars worth it? Yes.

Let's break this down again. One night. Plane trip. To Denmark. Back the next day. To bring. The Olympics to Chicago.

In the grand scheme of things, THIS is what gets you upset? Your tax dollars being used to get the Olympics in Chicago. Really?

Nothing to do with it being Obama, right? Nothing?

I can not stand Obama but that has absolutely nothing, and I do mean nothing, to do with me being 100% against this ridiculous vacation (it will be a vacation for him and Michelle) on tax payer money to try and bring the Olympics to Chicago. That is NOT the JOB of the president. What about that do you not understand? I don't think I could make it more clear than that.

You on the other hand wants to make this only about not liking Obama. I would bet everything I own that you would have been against a Republican president doing this and would be just as upset as I would. It is funny that your only argument is to say I and many others are only against this because it's Obama. It is absolutely pathetic how you all defend everything this man does, good, bad, right or wrong you defend him 100%

[Greyghost]

So by your logic, he should devote 100% of his time to the war in Afghanistan?

Do you think Presidents are unable to stay on top of multiple issues at once?

Seems to me 1 phone call to the General in 70 days calls for better time management on his part don't you think? I mean it is a war, where American soldiers lives hang in the balance. Are you ok with that? Because I sure as hell am not.

[ogibillm]

Only a liberal would ever consider the founding of our nation an act of terrorism...........gee, and you wonder why conservatives question a liberals patriotism at times.

i'm sorry you lack the ability to see it from any other perspective

gee, and you wonder why liberals question 'conservatives' intelligence

[Greyghost]

And you know the troops aren't a top priority how?

And this is evident because he is going to Denmark for a night to lobby the IOC? Was he neglecting the troops when he attended the G20? Was he neglecting the troops when he spoke at the UN?

The liberal mind just can not understand logic.

[ModerateVoice]

i'm sorry you lack the ability to see it from any other perspective

gee, and you wonder why liberals question 'conservatives' intelligence

I see it, I grasp the utter stupidity of the liberal argument................I just would never presume to spit on the Founding Fathers by equating them with terrorists.

Let me ask you a question..........since liberals think it is "cool" to equate the Founding Fathers with terrorism, do you have a problem with conservatives referring to the Obama administration as Nazi? (I am comparing apples to apples)

[Greyghost]

This begs for a new David Letterman Top 10 list.

What are the top 10 things that are less important than having the Olympics in Chicago in Obama's world?

10. An economy that works.
09. Unemployment at less than 10%
08. Being energy independent
07. Saving Social Security
06. Saving Medicare
05. Victory in Afghanistan
04. Saving traditional marriage
03. Saving the best healthcare system in the world
02. Listening to speeches by Qaddafi and Chavez and Castro
01. Date night with Michelle in New York

JohnCraven
New Orleans:flag:

Nicely done. Yet sad that it is completely true with this president.

[markdido]

Originally Posted by markdido http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=61728041#post61728041)
Yep,

Lots of union crony palms to grease.

So, can you cite the story that tells us only Democrats and/or cronies are planned to benefit? Perhaps Republicans might publicly demonstrate their outrage by joining together and boycotting participation if it comes to Chicago? Now THAT would be brave. No participating restaurants, tourist sites, hotels, bars, or shops that are owned by Republicans in a unified effort to show their anger at Obama for taking a day to support the olympics in Chicago.

Wow, you came up with all that from my 8 word post?

Ever think of switching to decaf?

[Greyghost]

you don't have to kill people to be a terrorist.

what would you call the boston tea party?

It was a damn protest and they WERE NOT terrorist as the left so loves to portray them lately. What the hell happened to you all on the left that you now agree with garbage like this. You all need to stop listening to the extreme left progressives such as Obama and his other cronies.

[JerryN]

I'm not gonna argue this, as there is much truth in that.
I'm looking at the job, not the man in the job.

and the job does require POTUS to promote the interests of the United States.
and sadly, right now WTP seem to think bringing the Olympics back here
is a national interest.

to me, its a Roman bread and circuses thing. distract the people so they
don't see how badlly you're screwing them.

I agree - its distraction - and welcome.
ANYTHING other than hearing that dam stump speech on health care again!

What's ironic is that just last week he was preaching at the UN about the wealthy nations spreading the wealth around ...
Now, like the schoolyard bully, he's willing to steal their lunch.

Here's the dilema:
IF we haven't been picked, how will he change the results on the day of announcement?
This is a little risky even for The Won, don't you think?

So we must have won and he wants the glory.

[Greyghost]

only the unintelligent lack the ability to view things in different contexts and from different points of view.

that is why they're 'conservatives'

THis just reeks of stupidity. :rolleyes:

[ogibillm]

It was a damn protest and they WERE NOT terrorist as the left so loves to portray them lately. What the hell happened to you all on the left that you now agree with garbage like this. You all need to stop listening to the extreme left progressives such as Obama and his other cronies.

violent vandalism in the cover of night with the goal of political change? sounds like terrorism to me

words have meaning. just because i can see that the tea party was indeed an act of terrorism, an act i'm happy with, doesn't change what it was.

[Greyghost]

Only a liberal would ever consider the founding of our nation an act of terrorism...........gee, and you wonder why conservatives question a liberals patriotism at times.

Seriously. I see what is truly wrong with our country when I see stupid statements such as that one. They hate our country so damn much that they don't care what it takes to tear it down and build it up into a 3rd world communist state. Calling our founding fathers terrorist, never have I heard a more pathetic and just ridiculous statement.

[mtbeaches]

I guess there's just nothing as important as the Olympics, not Afghanistan, not Iran...
not even school.

Yes, they can. And yes, they did. The Obamas have wasted public schoolkids’ time as junior lobbyists for their Chicago cronies’ Olympics bid...
The President and First Lady will be joined by Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, representatives from Chicago2016, the USOC, United States Olympians and Paralympians, along with schoolchildren from local DC area schools to discuss the ideals of the Olympic movement and the Obama administration’s commitment to service and expanding access to healthy, constructive activities like sports for our nation’s children.
More reasons summer vacation will need to be cut short. (http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/28/obama-plays-summer-school-czar/)

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/28/obamas-using-schoolkids-as-junior-lobbyists-for-olympics/


Maybe we wouldn't have to lengthen the school day if we concentrated on school subjects.

[ogibillm]

Seriously. I see what is truly wrong with our country when I see stupid statements such as that one. They hate our country so damn much that they don't care what it takes to tear it down and build it up into a 3rd world communist state. Calling our founding fathers terrorist, never have I heard a more pathetic and just ridiculous statement.

why do you have such a problem with the truth? would it make you feel better if i also called them heroes? great thinkers? visionaries? because they were those things as well as traitors and terrorists.

[Greyghost]

violent vandalism in the cover of night with the goal of political change? sounds like terrorism to me

words have meaning. just because i can see that the tea party was indeed an act of terrorism, an act i'm happy with, doesn't change what it was.

You apparently don't know anything about the true history of this country. It was a protest. Your opinion claiming it to be "violent vandalism" does not change history as you would so like to prove some pathetic point. Apparently you and many other liberals hate the fact that this country was even founded. I'm sure it has been hell for you to live in this awful place for so so long.

I know my history and I am extremely proud and grateful that our founding fathers stood up against tyranny to form a FREE country. It is ashame that some such as yourself choose to label them as terrorist for giving you freedom and the chance at a good life. So you can stop spitting on my country and the founders of my country. I know I am wasting my time because I doubt any of this gets through your liberal mind.

[Greyghost]

why do you have such a problem with the truth? would it make you feel better if i also called them heroes? great thinkers? visionaries? because they were those things as well as traitors and terrorists.

I embrace the truth and I refuse to distort the truth as you are so intent on doing. They were heroes, great thinkers and visionaries. My dog would have a better understanding of this than you.

[ogibillm]

You apparently don't know anything about the true history of this country. It was a protest. Your opinion claiming it to be "violent vandalism" does not change history as you would so like to prove some pathetic point. Apparently you and many other liberals hate the fact that this country was even founded. I'm sure it has been hell for you to live in this awful place for so so long.

I know my history and I am extremely proud and grateful that our founding fathers stood up against tyranny to form a FREE country. It is ashame that some such as yourself choose to label them as terrorist for giving you freedom and the chance at a good life. So you can stop spitting on my country and the founders of my country. I know I am wasting my time because I doubt any of this gets through your liberal mind.

wow. i've never seen someone so adamantly against the proper use of a word. but i tell you what, i love my country, i love it's people, and i love the founders.

but the tea party was still an act of terrorism.

[KatyG]

Wow, where are the libs who were hammering Bush over the troops lacking the equipment they needed, such as body armor and armor for vehicles?

Seriously! For years, every Saturday a bunch of wingnuts in the middle of town protested President Bush and the war.
Soldiers! Dying! Bring them Home! Bush! Lied!

Now?

**crickets**

As for the Olympics? Total waste of money and time.
The world is falling apart and we need this crap? Who the heck even watches the Olympics?
What a ridicuous Dog and Pony show.

[Plasmaball]

while there is truth in this, its also over simplistic.

doing profoundly violent and evil things for the pettist of reasons
is as old as humanity.

when dealing with simple people, sometimes it is best to be simple.

I dont know if i would say what they are doing is petty.

[Plasmaball]

This snippet from your post is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum.

England would like to have words with you then. Should i assume if we were back in the day you would have sided with england then?

Should we go further to after this country was founded that the same people labeled as terrorists ( founding fathers ) turned around and called their own country men the same thing? Might have been treason and not terrorism, but the point remains.

Maybe its dumb because you fail to understand it? It is a simple concept to understand.

One mans freedom fighter is another terrorist.


Ones ability to not be bull headed tends for them not to be backed into a corner.

excuse me for being able to think beyond my own shoes

[Plasmaball]

I see it, I grasp the utter stupidity of the liberal argument................I just would never presume to spit on the Founding Fathers by equating them with terrorists.

Let me ask you a question..........since liberals think it is "cool" to equate the Founding Fathers with terrorism, do you have a problem with conservatives referring to the Obama administration as Nazi? (I am comparing apples to apples)

Please tell me the overall difference from Lebanon and the west bank to what the founding fathers did?

Both just want their own land and country. Yes it is simplistic, but it works all the same.

[ModerateVoice]

Please tell me the overall difference from Lebanon and the west bank to what the founding fathers did?

Both just want their own land and country. Yes it is simplistic, but it works all the same.

BS.

I get your analogy, so you can spare a lengthy diatribe.......

When you can point to the savage & deliberate slaughter of innocent civilians by the Founding Fathers in order to make a political statement, then you would have a comparison.

Your liberal buddy, several posts ago, used the Boston Tea Party as a poor attempt to support your point. No one was slaughtered at that protest.

The previous poster also seems to be completely "cool" with making the terrorist analogy about the Founding Fathers.............I then said, fine, if we are going to compare apples to apples would he be offended if conservatives compared the Obama administration to Nazism. (After all, it would be easy to be overly simplistic and compare many of the historic incidents of 1930's Germany to many of the actions of the Obama administration -- but that would be a gross misrepresentation of the truth, wouldn't it? Its crossing a line of decency to call Obama a Nazi in as much as it is crossing a line of decency to compare the Founding Fathers to terrorism.)

[ogibillm]

BS.

I get your analogy, so you can spare a lengthy diatribe.......

When you can point to the savage & deliberate slaughter of innocent civilians by the Founding Fathers in order to make a political statement, then you would have a comparison.

Your liberal buddy, several posts ago, used the Boston Tea Party as a poor attempt to support your point. No one was slaughtered at that protest.

The previous poster also seems to be completely "cool" with making the terrorist analogy about the Founding Fathers.............I then said, fine, if we are going to compare apples to apples would he be offended if conservatives compared the Obama administration to Nazism. (After all, it would be easy to be overly simplistic and compare many of the historic incidents of 1930's Germany to many of the actions of the Obama administration -- but that would be a gross misrepresentation of the truth, wouldn't it? Its crossing a line of decency to call Obama a Nazi in as much as it is crossing a line of decency to compare the Founding Fathers to terrorism.)

no one is comparing the founding fathers to terrorists. i'm flat out telling you that's what they were (at least some). this is different than claiming that the obama administration is a nazi one. they are not.

now perhaps you could compare the two, i think it'd be foolish, but it's definitely been done.

[Plasmaball]

spare it? I was never going to bother.

Terrorism does not have a set book of rules. I suggest maybe understanding this as well?

My "liberal" buddy speaks for himself. I speak for myself.
Maybe understand this as well?

Actually you just godwined yourself. You know who was as bad as Hitler? HITLER.
Maybe understand this as well?

Saying obama is like hitler is delusional at best and should not be considered a valid argument by anyone of intelligence.
The same goes for any President in the past present and future.
Maybe understand this as well?

[ModerateVoice]

no one is comparing the founding fathers to terrorists. i'm flat out telling you that's what they were (at least some). this is different than claiming that the obama administration is a nazi one. they are not.

now perhaps you could compare the two, i think it'd be foolish, but it's definitely been done.


Let's just agree to disagree on this issue......that way we can part on this issue in a civil manner.

[ogibillm]

Let's just agree to disagree on this issue......that way we can part on this issue in a civil manner.

fair enough - and probably a good idea. we were way off topic anyhow.

[ModerateVoice]

spare it? I was never going to bother.

Terrorism does not have a set book of rules. I suggest maybe understanding this as well?

My "liberal" buddy speaks for himself. I speak for myself.
Maybe understand this as well?

Actually you just godwined yourself. You know who was as bad as Hitler? HITLER.
Maybe understand this as well?

Saying obama is like hitler is delusional at best and should not be considered a valid argument by anyone of intelligence.
The same goes for any President in the past present and future.
Maybe understand this as well?

No ****, Sherlock...............that's why I used the outrageous example that I did.

By that same measure, it is equally outrageous to imply that the men that founded our great nation could be in any way compared to Lebanese terrorists.....

[mtbeaches]

Please tell me the overall difference from Lebanon and the west bank to what the founding fathers did?

Both just want their own land and country. Yes it is simplistic, but it works all the same.
The founding fathers were NOT terrorists, and to claim they are is ludicrous. But thanks to them...you have a right to voice your beliefs.Just as one has a right to voice their belief that Obama is like Hitler.

Obviously, you would have been on England's side if you lived than. You lack insight to their ideology. I'm sure you feel they were just racist, rich, alcoholics who committed genocide, and basically never did anything right. That's the general liberal view.

[mtbeaches]

England would like to have words with you then. Should i assume if we were back in the day you would have sided with england then?

Should we go further to after this country was founded that the same people labeled as terrorists ( founding fathers ) turned around and called their own country men the same thing? Might have been treason and not terrorism, but the point remains.

Maybe its dumb because you fail to understand it? It is a simple concept to understand.

One mans freedom fighter is another terrorist.


Ones ability to not be bull headed tends for them not to be backed into a corner.

excuse me for being able to think beyond my own shoesSo the people who came here and rammed two jet liners into the WTC, and one into the Pentagon were freedom fighters now?

[ss1024]

Perhaps this trip is the quid pro quo for Tony Rezko!

Wonder what the carbon footprint will be for this week's jaunt .. aren't we all supposed to be concerned about carbon footprints ??

[avergbear]

So the people who came here and rammed two jet liners into the WTC, and one into the Pentagon were freedom fighters now?

It would seem to some liberals that would be the case.

Their need to tear America down is mind numbing.

[barbara]

18 hour roundtrip flight. One plane for Mr. O and another plane for Mrs. O; they can't travel together. I hope Brazil gets the Olympics!! This nut should be impreached; all he does is give frivoulous speeches, lies, appear on TV telling jokes... has he ever sat in the White House office and worked?? A dangerous Egotist. Like Hilter, he creates "crisis"-healthcare, cap & trade, stimulus money (for his friends), swine flu...when the REAL crisis is high unemployment, fixing Social Security and Medicare. He goes around the world apologizing for American history; he hates this country and wants to distroy it.

[poorblackman]

No, what has me upset is his neglect of our troops deployed in the field while he repays political capital to his cronies in Chicago.

Disgusting and immoral.

I guess you would be happier if we abandoned Afghanistan all together.

[avergbear]

I guess you would be happier if we abandoned Afghanistan all together.

As I said previously, we need to either give the Commanders on the ground the tools and troops they need to do the job, or get out now.

To do otherwise would be immoral.

[poorblackman]

As I said previously, we need to either give the Commanders on the ground the tools and troops they need to do the job, or get out now.

To do otherwise would be immoral.

Why weren't you complaining all of the years we didn't have enough troops in Iraq? I seem to recall that you were part of the crowd that thought it was unpatriotic to criticize the president during a time of war. Republicans have weakened Obama just enough that we may not get the addition troops he wants to pursue the conflict.

I personally think it is time to bring our troops home from all foreign locations and let the chips fall where they may. The only troop deployments I want to see are along our own boarders.

[joeschmoe]

Obama has to pay back his Chi-town buddies. So what if he's using the tax payers dime to do it.

http://forums.hannity.com/picture.php?albumid=2371&pictureid=28891

[avergbear]

Why weren't you complaining all of the years we didn't have enough troops in Iraq? I seem to recall that you were part of the crowd that thought it was unpatriotic to criticize the president during a time of war. Republicans have weakened Obama just enough that we may not get the addition troops he wants to pursue the conflict.

I personally think it is time to bring our troops home from all foreign locations and let the chips fall where they may. The only troop deployments I want to see are along our own boarders.

You recall wrong.

[Dreadnaught]

I think that there are allot more pressing issues than the olympics. Our troops need reinforcements and he is out playing footsie with the olympic commity....give me a break!!!

This guy has done nothing but, give lip service to this country and spend more money than any other president in our history.

PS. As for the olympics... he will most likely mess that up too, LOL!

[Bluejacket]

considering that all the troops from the last increase haven't even arrived in afghanistan yet i don't think a day or two to promote a us city to the ioc is going to do any harm.

Is that you, Billary?

[Cutiepie]

The founding fathers where treasonist terrorists back in the day. Not all terrorists are useless are they? Its all in how you take events.

Sometimes in order to defeat the enemy you must become the enemy. using our resources and money is actually quite cost effective.

You really think they hate you because you drive a Chevy? They hate you because America is in their back yard.

Tell me something, a stranger comes into your back yard. You going to welcome him in for tea? Or are you going to say get the **** out of here before i call the cops?

10-1 says you call the cops or get your baseball bat.




No, they hated us before we got there. They hate us b/c we support Israel. They hate us b/c we won't follow them in their religion/cult.

[Cutiepie]

His issue wasn't our stuff and our money, it was our presence in the Middle East and our support of Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatāwā_of_Osama_bin_Laden




and I am glad we support Israel. I hope we never stop.

[avergbear]

and I am glad we support Israel. I hope we never stop.

I believe we stopped supporting Israel at 12:01 p.m. on January 20th. of this year.

[Plasmaball]

No, they hated us before we got there. They hate us b/c we support Israel. They hate us b/c we won't follow them in their religion/cult.

amusing you say cult

[Plasmaball]

So the people who came here and rammed two jet liners into the WTC, and one into the Pentagon were freedom fighters now?

in a sense yes they where. Freedom from the tyrant that is america.
That would be their point of view yes.

It is no different that the two sides of a political debate. One just happens to be more "gun ho" in their cause than the other.

I am not making excuses for these people, I am just telling you a thought process.

Naturally i disagree with their views.

[Plasmaball]

It would seem to some liberals that would be the case.

Their need to tear America down is mind numbing.

Unlike some people America is not the perfect country some like to make it out to be. Being at the top does not make you right.

Unlike some it is good to have critical thinking skills.

[DaveKlassix]

Its gonna be quite the carbon footprint from that little trip over to Denmark, especially since Oprah needs to tag along for whatever reason.

[Cutiepie]

amusing you say cult



what would you call it?

There is only one God period. They are bowing down to a man that was a nobody. They won't be reaching Heaven but, they seem to think they will. They remind me of the people who packed their suitcases and killed themselves to catch the Comet.

[mtbeaches]

in a sense yes they where. Freedom from the tyrant that is america.
That would be their point of view yes.

It is no different that the two sides of a political debate. One just happens to be more "gun ho" in their cause than the other.

I am not making excuses for these people, I am just telling you a thought process.

Naturally i disagree with their views.Freedom from the tyrant America? I think this is YOUR thought process because it isn't theirs. To begin with, pure evil perpetrated those awful acts and it much more than a political debate. Thousands of innocent people don't die as a result of a political debate.

Secondly, jihads aren't for freedom. Actually its the exact opposite; they are to conquer the infidels. The Islamic ideology is the only deity which has not advanced, and consequently is still stuck in the Middle Ages.

Obviously,your just another liberal who blames America.

[Plasmaball]

what would you call it?

There is only one God period. They are bowing down to a man that was a nobody. They won't be reaching Heaven but, they seem to think they will. They remind me of the people who packed their suitcases and killed themselves to catch the Comet.

lol you are right it is all one god, they are all the samething in the end.
you dont know if they will reach Heaven or not. you are not a god.

i love hypocrisy of religion

[ogibillm]

I believe we stopped supporting Israel at 12:01 p.m. on January 20th. of this year.

and i believe that was decades too long already - although it's clear we do still support israel.

[Plasmaball]

Freedom from the tyrant America? I think this is YOUR thought process because it isn't theirs. To begin with, pure evil perpetrated those awful acts and it much more than a political debate. Thousands of innocent people don't die as a result of a political debate.

Secondly, jihads aren't for freedom. Actually its the exact opposite; they are to conquer the infidels. The Islamic ideology is the only deity which has not advanced, and consequently is still stuck in the Middle Ages.

Obviously,your just another liberal who blames America.

oh here we go. :rolleyes:
Good vs is evil.
this isn't a comicbook beaches. I suggest you not treat it like such.

Thousands of people die because of political ideologies. Debate breaks down and thus you get what you get is something like 9/11.

All religion wants control. Thats how they work. Wanting freedom from America does not equal wanting freedom from ruling people. Dont confuse the two.

Obviously i am not. This is not a liberal perspective. This is my own perspective. I suggest like i told Moderate you understand this.

[Greyghost]

wow. i've never seen someone so adamantly against the proper use of a word. but i tell you what, i love my country, i love it's people, and i love the founders.

but the tea party was still an act of terrorism.

Proper use of the word? Give me a break. I've never seen someone who is so intent on labeling the founding fathers of the greatest country on Earth as terrorist. They give you freedom and you spit on their memories and their accomplishments.

I'm done with this thread and I'm done defending them against your stupid opinion. Lucky for you they founded this country so you have a right to spout off your garbage without consequences.

[Plasmaball]

Proper use of the word? Give me a break. I've never seen someone who is so intent on labeling the founding fathers of the greatest country on Earth as terrorist. They give you freedom and you spit on their memories and their accomplishments.

I'm done with this thread and I'm done defending them against your stupid opinion. Lucky for you they founded this country so you have a right to spout off your garbage without consequences.

lol classic

[opsyscw]

How many $$ are Obama and other federal, Illinois state, and Chicago politicans going to personally gain from having the Olympics in Chicago? You know that is the real reason Obama is so interested it having them there, not for the economic boost of Chicago or the USA.

I'd like to see a list of who owns the land and other resources around Chicago where the Olympics would be constructed. And, how many will have their homes and property seized under Eminant Domain?

[Cutiepie]

lol you are right it is all one god, they are all the samething in the end.
you dont know if they will reach Heaven or not. you are not a god.

i love hypocrisy of religion



what I do know is if they don't accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Savior they won't reach Heaven. One doesn't get to heaven by doing good or being good. You can try it until you are blue in the face it doesn't work.