Will the end-times occur during your lifetime?

[Finality]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

[Deak2112]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

I know you won't like this but I really just don't like the way you asked the question. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the question, as it applies to me, is "Do you believe God will allow the end-times to occur during your lifetime?" In which case the answer is yes. I can't get around the fact that you said "cause." From my view the question was almost provocative.

[mobiusptc]

if you mean end of the world as just earth then the universe will not be the one to destroy us. if you mean the world as the the entire cosmo in general then the universe is to big to allow what happens on one inconsequential planet to dictate whether it should live or not.

[Finality]

I know you won't like this but I really just don't like the way you asked the question. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the question, as it applies to me, is "Do you believe God will allow the end-times to occur during your lifetime?" In which case the answer is yes. I can't get around the fact that you said "cause." From my view the question was almost provocative.
The only way I can square your complaint is if you either believe that A) God was not the first cause, B) God has no plan, or C) God has no practical effect on existence. Otherwise, any end times is necessarily God-caused.

Any provocation is your own reading into my generalized question.

Re: your answer, can you explain why you think your God will allow the end-times to occur during your lifetime? In other words, why now (or, presumably, soon-ish)?

Will you be disappointed if you come nearer and nearer to natural death (may you live long), and the end-times haven't happened?
if you mean end of the world as just earth then the universe will not be the one to destroy us. if you mean the world as the the entire cosmo in general then the universe is to big to allow what happens on one inconsequential planet to dictate whether it should live or not.
I don't exactly mean anything, as there are so many versions of eschatological beliefs that for me to ask a broad question requires the answerer to bring his or her own interpretation to the table. I intentionally did not single out any belief system so as to be inclusive of any religious folks who might want to vote or respond.

[joannelps]

Maybe. The Bible says, that no one knows the hour or time God has decided upon. So that question is bogus. Only God can answer that. However, He did give the world a hint. The sign of the times suggest tht the end may be soon.

[Finality]

Maybe. The Bible says, that no one knows the hour or time God has decided upon. So that question is bogus. Only God can answer that. However, He did give the world a hint. The sign of the times suggest tht the end may be soon.
I should have included a Not sure/Maybe option in the poll. My bad. :cry:

[joannelps]

God tells us in his word, that in the last days, Good will be called evil, and evil will be called good. That is so evedent in our world today, People who are moral and who care about others are laughed at while some people in high places, lie, cheat and decieve many, are called saviors.

Sarah Palin was so right when she said, " Don't wonder if God is on our side, instead, let's pray that we are on His side."

[Finality]

God tells us in his word, that in the last days, Good will be called evil, and evil will be called good. That is so evedent in our world today, People who are moral and who care about others are laughed at while some people in high places, lie, cheat and decieve many, are called saviors.

Sarah Palin was so right when she said, " Don't wonder if God is on our side, instead, let's pray that we are on His side."
There's nothing new in that. I'd wager the same thing has been going on throughout history. Now is not any different, except the Intertubes allow us all to communicate about the wonkiness of the world more easily.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?


Nope.

[muhadeeb99]

If and only if one were to have lived at the time a giant meteor struck the Yucatan peninsula some 65 million years ago then that may have been "The End Times", it certainly was for the dinosaurs.

In our modern times with the elevation of educated minds, there is a collective doubt as to whether there will be "End Times" to come about. Of course there are the fringe that think otherwise. Most predictions are so incorrect that they are not worth believing, just entertaining for conversation purposes.

[RayMan]

I should have included a Not sure/Maybe option in the poll. My bad. :cry:

Stop being so reasonable and accomodating. ;)

[ROBERTENEAL]

The "end times" has been an ongoing, cyclical set of events that has been going on since the first century AD.
Signs of the end times include a variety of phenomena such as:

The gospel being preached on a world wide basis (Matthew 24:14)

The gospel being ridiculed on a world wide basis (2 Peter 3:3-4)

Jerusalem being surrounded by armies (Luke 21:20-24)

These events are not without precedent. History is cyclical, and each cycle is of greater magnitude than the previous one.

Around and around we go. Where we stop?

Figuring that one out is above my pay grade.

[Stantz]

To a non believer, the religious fascination that every single religion seems to display with the (very often impending) apocalyptic end of the world is very interesting.

The Jewish - Aharit Hayamim concept brought forward by believers themselves

The Muslim Judgement day with it's 100s of signs described in the Sunnah.

The Hindu cycle of Kalpa

all the way to polytheistic traditions ranging from Native Americans, Norse, Greek, Roman, and Babylonian mythologies.

The impending doom and destruction of the world plays a major part of religion it seems.

the major difference seems to be with the Abrahamic religions , is the absolute yearning for the apocalypse to come, and in the case of specific denominations, the constant searching for signs of the end times to come.

The "red heifer" search is a prime example of this.

No , i do not think we are living in any type of end times, though I'm sure 100s of years from now our descendants will ask the same questions and give the same references to prophacies that people are today

[Greyclouds]

To a non believer, the religious fascination that every single religion seems to display with the (very often impending) apocalyptic end of the world is very interesting.

The Jewish - Aharit Hayamim concept brought forward by believers themselves

The Muslim Judgement day with it's 100s of signs described in the Sunnah.

The Hindu cycle of Kalpa

all the way to polytheistic traditions ranging from Native Americans, Norse, Greek, Roman, and Babylonian mythologies.

The impending doom and destruction of the world plays a major part of religion it seems.

the major difference seems to be with the Abrahamic religions , is the absolute yearning for the apocalypse to come, and in the case of specific denominations, the constant searching for signs of the end times to come.

The "red heifer" search is a prime example of this.

No , i do not think we are living in any type of end times, though I'm sure 100s of years from now our descendants will ask the same questions and give the same references to prophacies that people are today

Excellent summation :clap:

I believe that Christians have been patiently waiting for the end times since Jesus first died. Early Christians were quite convinced that Jesus' return would happen in their lifetimes, and many of them interpreted the Roman sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD to be a fulfillment of that prophecy.

[Stantz]

Excellent summation :clap:

I believe that Christians have been patiently waiting for the end times since Jesus first died. Early Christians were quite convinced that Jesus' return would happen in their lifetimes, and many of them interpreted the Roman sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD to be a fulfillment of that prophecy.

Indeed, in it's very early stages Christianity was considered in reality an apocalyptic Jewish cult. Though the larger picture i was referring to was the belief and in many cases yearning by the religious for the end of our current existence.

[ROBERTENEAL]

Excellent summation :clap:

I believe that Christians have been patiently waiting for the end times since Jesus first died. Early Christians were quite convinced that Jesus' return would happen in their lifetimes, and many of them interpreted the Roman sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD to be a fulfillment of that prophecy.

The Roman sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD is still the focal point of discussion for many; some see it as a THE fulfillment of prophecy (Preterists) and others see the sacking of Jerusalem in 70AD as only one component of a cycle that continues to this day (dispensationalists).

As per a previous post, I think that Christ's gospel will be the most central item of ideological conflict in the world some day; it will be the most loved ideology in the world and at the same time the most hated ideology in the world.

I also think that Israel and Jerusalem will be the center of a military conflict that ushers in the greatest catastrophe in history, one that can not be stopped by any means other than divine intervention.

My understanding of the Bible, history, and current events is what gives me this perspective.

Do I look forward to it? NO!!!

[CID_0687]

We're all gonna die.

Man, that's depressing.

[ROBERTENEAL]

We're all gonna die.

Man, that's depressing.

Is Christ's gift of eternal life for here and now; or is it "pie in the sky" for another time and another place?
Neither?
One but not the other?
Both?
Hmmm. Sounds like a good subject for a poll.

[khigh]

The Earth's cycle is cyclical. We are nearing an end period of this cycle, but a new one will start. In Hindu beliefs, there are thousands of cycles, some lasting a few hundred years, some lasting a few hundred thousand years, and we are nearing the end of one that lasted 2000 years.

This is the end of the world as we know it, but not the total annihilation of the Earth (ball of flame, everyone dies type thing).

[RayMan]

The Earth's cycle is cyclical. We are nearing an end period of this cycle, but a new one will start. In Hindu beliefs, there are thousands of cycles, some lasting a few hundred years, some lasting a few hundred thousand years, and we are nearing the end of one that lasted 2000 years.

This is the end of the world as we know it, but not the total annihilation of the Earth (ball of flame, everyone dies type thing).


Besides which, for you it should read "Which one of your lifetimes..." ;)

Nice to see you khigh,
Hope you have a great weekend.

[gpd®]

To a non believer, the religious fascination that every single religion seems to display with the (very often impending) apocalyptic end of the world is very interesting.

The Jewish - Aharit Hayamim concept brought forward by believers themselves

The Muslim Judgement day with it's 100s of signs described in the Sunnah.

The Hindu cycle of Kalpa

all the way to polytheistic traditions ranging from Native Americans, Norse, Greek, Roman, and Babylonian mythologies.

The impending doom and destruction of the world plays a major part of religion it seems.

the major difference seems to be with the Abrahamic religions , is the absolute yearning for the apocalypse to come, and in the case of specific denominations, the constant searching for signs of the end times to come.

The "red heifer" search is a prime example of this.

No , i do not think we are living in any type of end times, though I'm sure 100s of years from now our descendants will ask the same questions and give the same references to prophacies that people are today

You neglected the religion of global climate change.

[Rurudyne]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.
I reason that the way Washington spends money indicates THEY think the world is about to end ... or how else do their over-the-top Keynesian habits even make sense?

As for me personally, I do find it reasonable that this era of history will come to a close soon at God's hands; but, that is a very different proposition to saying the world will end.

[Stantz]

You neglected the religion of global climate change.
though not a religion, i do view the hysteria which accompanies much of the environmental movement with an equally large grain of salt, and attempt to filter out (as i think any reasonable person should) hysteria and alarmist rants, as opposed to good advice , and concern about the planet we inhabit.

[Finality]

Stop being so reasonable and accomodating. ;)
Yessir. Sorry, sir. Won't happen again, sir. :redface:

[darknessesedge]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

I believe I will be taken up to heaven to be w the Lord in my lifetime....raptured..whatever you want to call it..

[Finality]

I believe I will be taken up to heaven to be w the Lord in my lifetime....raptured..whatever you want to call it..
As in, taken away alive, or dying first and then being united with your creator?

[darknessesedge]

As in, taken away alive, or dying first and then being united with your creator?

taken while living..

[Finality]

taken while living..
Thanks for the clarification. Do you live your life in such a way that your physical and financial future is secure just in case you are wrong? E.g., do you go to the doctor for physicals, or save money for the future, or own/improve property?

[windstar3x3]

Luke21:

9But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
10Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
11And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
12But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
13And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
14Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
15For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
16And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
17And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
18But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
19In your patience possess ye your souls.
20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. 32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

windstar:
The enemies of BOTH God's Chosen people and God's only begotten people gather around for the final conquest. Traitors wander brazenly in our midst, The
'day of the Lord' is nigh at hand, and a terrible time it will be.
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The life of man is seventy years and Israel was reborn in '48.

[Stantz]

The
'day of the Lord' is nigh at hand, and a terrible time it will be.
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The life of man is seventy years and Israel was reborn in '48.

without making any attempts at date setting or anything what do you take "nigh at hand" to mean? within your lifetime?

[Finality]

r midst, The
'day of the Lord' is nigh at hand, and a terrible time it will be.
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The life of man is seventy years and Israel was reborn in '48.
Well, have fun with that. Let me know in 15 years how that all worked out for ya.

[RayMan]

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The life of man is seventy years and Israel was reborn in '48.


I am old enough to remember when Hal Lindsay and other prophecy teachers were predicting the rapture for 1978 because Jesus began his ministry the first time around at the age of 30.

Then in 1988 the rapture was gonna happen because a Bible generation is 40 years, ala the wanderings in the wilderness.

In 1998 the rapture was gonna happen because 50 years is the Jubilee, when all the captives are set free.

Just sayin'.

Oh and...

Psa 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.


70 or 80 years. It depends.

Then there is that other pesky verse...

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The Bible is so cool.

[Finality]

Then there is that other pesky verse...

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

The Bible is so cool.
I think that the upper limit of longevity not having changed significantly in thousands of years is most interesting.

I also think the fact that most people have no clue that 'average life expectancy' includes heavy infant mortality rates that have lessened with the advancement of medicine, and doesn't mean that everyone keeled over at age 40, to be a sad failure of education. Or common sense maybe. Still, humorous.

Socrates lived to an artificially young age of 70 (executed; hemlock), and yet everyone else died when they hit middle age.

[RayMan]

I think that the upper limit of longevity not having changed significantly in thousands of years is most interesting.

I also think the fact that most people have no clue that 'average life expectancy' includes heavy infant mortality rates that have lessened with the advancement of medicine, and doesn't mean that everyone keeled over at age 40, to be a sad failure of education. Or common sense maybe. Still, humorous.

Socrates lived to an artificially young age of 70 (executed; hemlock), and yet everyone else died when they hit middle age.


Prophecy teachers like to keep things tidy. A number with a zero behind it is tidy.

Unfortunately, it didn't work at 30, 40, or 50. It didn't happen at 60. There is no Biblical reason to believe it will happen at 70 or even 120.

I find it best to stick with the words of Jesus,

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

And

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.


I don't view the "day" and "hour" references to mean we can know the week or year. I believe Jesus is stressing the being ready, and de-stressing guessing the time-frame.

[Finality]

Prophecy teachers like to keep things tidy. A number with a zero behind it is tidy.

Unfortunately, it didn't work at 30, 40, or 50. It didn't happen at 60. There is no Biblical reason to believe it will happen at 70 or even 120.

I find it best to stick with the words of Jesus,

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

And

Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

I don't view the "day" and "hour" references to mean we can know the week or year. I believe Jesus is stressing the being ready, and de-stressing guessing the time-frame.
Yes. But you're reasonable. So we can't use you as an example, man. That would be too, duh, reasonable! :) That's almost as boring as me.

[RayMan]

Yes. But you're reasonable. So we can't use you as an example, man. That would be too, duh, reasonable! :) That's almost as boring as me.


THAT was totally uncalled for!


:lol::lol::lol:

[doodle5]

NO!!!!!!

1.World not bad enough
2 Not enough wars and sickness
3. Temple has not been built yet
4. Anti-Christ is not sitting in Temple
5. We do not have the same world wide money system now
6. Religions start every nth micro second
7. Christians are not concerned to be content only with teaching of "THE WORD" only!!
8. Too many doctrine of error taught in so called "Christian Churches".
9. Not as many are going to Church as much as in the 50's
10. Anti Christ living now? possibly
11. It takes time to build the Temple and the Anti-Christ sit in the Temple
12. J D Pentecost book on eschatology makes everything clear!!
13. Christ will come as a thief in the night
14. Not when everyone is looking for HIM to come.
15. Falling away first from the basics of the Gospel.
16. Read Study Daniel9:25-end of chapter.
17. Revelation with Daniel make comparasions
18. Know the language style the writer and message like the greatest literature ever
written.
19. Only the Father knows the times and seasons of Christ Coming, there are signs we look for as indicated in I Thessalonians last chapter.
20. BE READY!

I HAD A HEBREW SCHOLAR EXPLAIN THE TENSES IN MATTHEW 24th chapter, better understood. This was 30 years ago.

We are seeing things happen in this present world we have never seen before.
The center will be Jerusalem and Israel, like it was when Christ was born.

False religions on the rise since Christ ascended nothing new.
Increase in earthquakes and etc. like Christ predicted.
Watch for the temple to be built, I read where it is happening but only one website.
I will contact my favorite Bible Scholar in England and one in Costa Mesa, CA.
I will read the interlinear I have Matthew 24. Starting new job Tuesday.

I will continue but earlier it is wee hours in the AM.

Good Night :dance::dance::dance:

Carlene

[Finality]

...

I HAD A HEBREW SCHOLAR EXPLAIN THE TENSES IN MATTHEW 24th chapter, better understood. This was 30 years ago.

...
Why would you consult a Hebrew scholar for a work written in Greek?

[windstar3x3]

The testimony of the world today is amorality, depravity, corruption, even Baal worship of the slaughter of the children under the pretense of choice. We are due to overdue. Those that choose the denial of warnings, like of the past, will receive same due recompense as those of the past.

[Finality]

The testimony of the world today is amorality, depravity, corruption, even Baal worship of the slaughter of the children under the pretense of choice. We are due to overdue. Those that choose the denial of warnings, like of the past, will receive same due recompense as those of the past.
What's the "same due recompense as those of the past"?

I choose denial of warnings, just for fun. When can I expect my "same due recompense"?

[Aaron1122]

Any scholar of the scriptures will tell you we're already in the last days as described anciently. No Man knows the day nor hour of the return of Jesus Christ, but it is my personal opinion that this generation shall witness it.

[Finality]

Any scholar of the scriptures will tell you we're already in the last days as described anciently. No Man knows the day nor hour of the return of Jesus Christ, but it is my personal opinion that this generation shall witness it.
Which generation? There are a lot of generations all coexisting right now. Give a rough estimate, if you don't mind.

[smyrna]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.


Some people give this a lot of thought...I do not. It doesn't matter when the end comes...what matters is what you have been and are doing when the end time comes. I like to spend my time wondering what I can do better. Who can I help? What positive influence for the Lord can I make today?

Only God knows when the end will come and that...is good enough for me.

P.S. I have noticed that the older a person gets, the more apt they are to ponder this question...:mrgreen:

[Celtic Pax]

When the dome of the rock is razed and the Jews erect another temple, I will believe in the end times and not before. Besides, the world will end when it ends and not one second before. :think:

[meggers49]

I replied yes but with the caveat that it's not going to be the end of the world, put the end of the 'age' or the world as we know it.

The Bible speaks of 'world without end' and the Bible doesn't lie. I think we are in for perilous and difficult times. I think we are in for woes never seen before. I believe we will witness great miracles and apostacies and I believe we will see the coming of the Messiah.

I hope I live through it all to see it.

[LeroyBrown]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

Yes. As I have life eternal it will end within my lifetime.

[bbt630]

The world will never end.

Change drastically, yes. And soon, imho.

[Drawz]

The world will never end.

Of course it will. If nothing else the sun will eventually go Red Giant and crisp us good.

[biggles53]

Of course it will. If nothing else the sun will eventually go Red Giant and crisp us good.

'Bout 5 billion years is all we've got left.....;)

At that point we will either, as you say, be virtually vaporised by the sun going through its death throes, or the approaching Andromeda Galaxy will be upon us and we'll see one of the greatest freeway pile-ups in cosmological history...!

[Stantz]

'Bout 5 billion years is all we've got left.....;)

At that point we will either, as you say, be virtually vaporised by the sun going through its death throes, or the approaching Andromeda Galaxy will be upon us and we'll see one of the greatest freeway pile-ups in cosmological history...!
i think it was a British astronomer (i don't remember who right now) who said it, and i found the statement pretty provoking:

"we might still be here to see our sun go super-nova, but if evolution continues to take it's course we will no longer be human... "

there's a little thought for you

[Drawz]

i think it was a British astronomer (i don't remember who right now) who said it, and i found the statement pretty provoking:

"we might still be here to see our sun go super-nova, but if evolution continues to take it's course we will no longer be human... "

there's a little thought for you

It would be something if our descendents were able to maintain recorded histories over billions of years wouldn't it? Unlikely but it would be amazing to be born and raised in a society that had that kind of information.

[Stantz]

It would be something if our descendents were able to maintain recorded histories over billions of years wouldn't it? Unlikely but it would be amazing to be born and raised in a society that had that kind of information.
can you imagine?
Well like Sagan said, if this time in our history is really the beginning of our exploration into science, and more specifically the universe itself, we are standing on the beach on a massive cosmic ocean, and all we have done so far is dip our toe in, and the water seems inviting

Of course all assumptions made in this post are based on us NOT blowing ourselves and our planet into some horrendous nuclear hell.. fingers crossed.

[optrader]

While we don't know the exact time, scripture gives us abundant signs to look for. One of the signs I find most interesting is earthquakes in diverse places. Just looking at the number of earthquakes and the severity over the last 100 years, it seems they are getting much worse. in the last year or so, even Indiana, where I live, and Ohio have had minor tremors.

There are many other things said about the end times, I believe we are nearly there. I tend to think there is a very good chance it will occur during my lifetime, doesn't really matter to me except too many people will die unprepared, that is why Christians are called to spread the gospel, so that as many as possible may be saved...

[Drawz]

'Bout 5 billion years is all we've got left.....;)

At that point we will either, as you say, be virtually vaporised by the sun going through its death throes, or the approaching Andromeda Galaxy will be upon us and we'll see one of the greatest freeway pile-ups in cosmological history...!

Strangely enough, even if Andromeda does "collide" with our Galaxy the effect on our Solar system would most likely be negligable. There's so much empty space between stars that the chance of any collisions acually occuring are minute. Such an event would be more properly described as a merger. At worst our Solar system could be flung out of our Galaxy but even that would have little practical impact for those of us on Earth.

[Drawz]

While we don't know the exact time, scripture gives us abundant signs to look for. One of the signs I find most interesting is earthquakes in diverse places. Just looking at the number of earthquakes and the severity over the last 100 years, it seems they are getting much worse. in the last year or so, even Indiana, where I live, and Ohio have had minor tremors.

There are many other things said about the end times, I believe we are nearly there. I tend to think there is a very good chance it will occur during my lifetime, doesn't really matter to me except too many people will die unprepared, that is why Christians are called to spread the gospel, so that as many as possible may be saved...

Do you have a link for the earthquake data you're refering too?

[optrader]

Do you have a link for the earthquake data you're refering too?

I don't have one source per se, but here is one good site, [URL="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/world/historical.php [/URL]as someone who follows such events, and who looks at various references on the internet pertaining to earthquakes, my own research (granted, not exactly scientifically accredited) shows a noticeable increase in both the frequency and severity of earthquakes. As for the recent tremors in Indiana and Ohio, those are very well documented.

If it were only earthquakes occurring, I can see how they might be chalked up to coincidence, but too many other prophecies are being fulfilled for it to be so... IMO

[optrader]

OK, I've never included a link in a post, If you are interested in checking, you will have to type it in :(( manually until I figure this out...:redface: Sorry.

[TaylorW65]

If it were only earthquakes occurring, I can see how they might be chalked up to coincidence, but too many other prophecies are being fulfilled for it to be so... IMO

Like what?

[optrader]

Like what?

Give me a little time to compile some things, I will get back to you on this...

[TaylorW65]

Give me a little time to compile some things, I will get back to you on this...

OK thanks. :)

[RayMan]

OK, I've never included a link in a post, If you are interested in checking, you will have to type it in :(( manually until I figure this out...:redface: Sorry.

Right click the url in your browser and choose copy.


In your post click the Planet with a chain link below it icon, http://forums.hannity.com/images/editor/createlink.gif

highlight the "http://" in the box that pops us so you don't get two "http://'s" and paste in your url. Hit ok.

[optrader]

Right click the url in your browser and choose copy.


In your post click the Planet with a chain link below it icon, http://forums.hannity.com/images/editor/createlink.gif

highlight the "http://" in the box that pops us so you don't get two "http://'s" and paste in your url. Hit ok.


Thanks Ray, had everything except highlighting the url, couldn't figure out how not to get two.

[biggles53]

According to your own USGS, there has been NO increase in the number of earthquakes in the more than 100 years since recording has been taking place...

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php

[optrader]

According to your own USGS, there has been NO increase in the number of earthquakes in the more than 100 years since recording has been taking place...

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/topics/increase_in_earthquakes.php

:think:, Interesting, yet the same source (the USGS) lists numerous more earthquakes per year, in recent years than in past years (check the list I provided). Why the discrepancy? I don't know. Could it be a government conspiracy?

However, in regards to end time events, I have stated that earthquakes are only part of the numerous prophecies that are being fulfilled. I wouldn't look at just one thing to conclude we are in the end times.

[darknessesedge]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

ever since Jesus left, we have been in the end times..
God has a pre set number of believers that once that number has been reached, he will end this world and start a new 1.

[Finality]

ever since Jesus left, we have been in the end times..
God has a pre set number of believers that once that number has been reached, he will end this world and start a new 1.
Like literally a new planet (world) or just a revision of the Earth?

Why would God bother with a predetermined number? Does your God also know who gets chosen? If so, then why not just end it before it started? If not, then does God know the time and date of the end, even though God doesn't know exactly who gets picked?

[biggles53]

:think:, Interesting, yet the same source (the USGS) lists numerous more earthquakes per year, in recent years than in past years (check the list I provided). Why the discrepancy? I don't know. Could it be a government conspiracy?

However, in regards to end time events, I have stated that earthquakes are only part of the numerous prophecies that are being fulfilled. I wouldn't look at just one thing to conclude we are in the end times.

You need to look again...

There are more minor quakes recorded now than in the past, because we have more and better seismic stations located around the world. So, we are able to detect the lesser movements much more accurately than we used to. This doesn't mean they weren't happening in the past, but simply that we didn't 'notice' them.

The major, damaging quakes are no more frequent than they have been in the history of recording earthquakes........

[Drawz]

You need to look again...

There are more minor quakes recorded now than in the past, because we have more and better seismic stations located around the world. So, we are able to detect the lesser movements much more accurately than we used to. This doesn't mean they weren't happening in the past, but simply that we didn't 'notice' them.

The major, damaging quakes are no more frequent than they have been in the history of recording earthquakes........

Quiet you! It's clearly a government conspiracy (the members of which are mostly Christian) to cover up the evidence that the Apocolypse is upon us!

[Finality]

Quiet you! It's clearly a government conspiracy (the members of which are mostly Christian) to cover up the evidence that the Apocolypse is upon us!
Ahhh! Mah butt! I can already feel it getting hot—

[Avi]

we already ARE in the end times

[darknessesedge]

we are in the end times and part way through the tribulation..

[Finality]

we already ARE in the end times
I guess, if you mean that we're no longer in the beginning times—

[darknessesedge]

Like literally a new planet (world) or just a revision of the Earth?

Why would God bother with a predetermined number? Does your God also know who gets chosen? If so, then why not just end it before it started? If not, then does God know the time and date of the end, even though God doesn't know exactly who gets picked?

there are those who will know the Lord who have not been born yet.
there are those who will come to know the Lord who have not done so yet.

[Finality]

there are those who will know the Lord who have not been born yet.
there are those who will come to know the Lord who have not done so yet.
Does your god know who those people are and when they will be 'counted'? If so, why would your god bother? Why not just end it all before it started?

[darknessesedge]

Does your god know who those people are and when they will be 'counted'? If so, why would your god bother? Why not just end it all before it started?

cause he gave us free will..he will not force himself upon us.
and yes he knows who they are and when things happen.

[Finality]

cause he gave us free will..he will not force himself upon us.
and yes he knows who they are and when things happen.
But why bother? If God knows everyone who will get rewarded, and even what they will do and when they will do it to get rewarded, then why bother to put us all through this nonsense?

[Old_Mil]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

Maybe. For the first time in human history the stage has been set. However, we don't know if the play will start in 5 years, 50, or 500.

[darknessesedge]

But why bother? If God knows everyone who will get rewarded, and even what they will do and when they will do it to get rewarded, then why bother to put us all through this nonsense?

cause of free will...God wants us to choose him freely..

[darknessesedge]

Maybe. For the first time in human history the stage has been set. However, we don't know if the play will start in 5 years, 50, or 500.

agreed.
begin nor end do us mortals know..only the Father knows..

[windstar3x3]

Finality:
What's the "same due recompense as those of the past"?

I choose denial of warnings, just for fun. When can I expect my "same due recompense"?


windstar3x3:
Like Noah's time or Sodom & Gomorrah, when the time comes you will know with absolute certainty and like of Olden times, just as futile to change one's mind at that late date.

[Finality]

cause of free will...God wants us to choose him freely..
But God already knows who will choose 'freely' and when they will do so?

You claim that God knows who and when, but it's freely already chosen? Then why put up this charade?

[Brennoinspace]

I'm a little confused about free will. I understand god would want us to choose him freely, but by god creating everything in existence, the initial "ingredients" god chose originally to create us with set in stone which people will do what when. If he is outside of time, he knows instantly every outcome possible the moment the universe was created, and could alter the outcome instantly of any timeline that was created. In other words, it seems if god exists, free will does not exist. A little help on this subject would be appreciated.

[Finality]

I'm a little confused about free will. I understand god would want us to choose him freely, but by god creating everything in existence, the initial "ingredients" god chose originally to create us with set in stone which people will do what when. If he is outside of time, he knows instantly every outcome possible the moment the universe was created, and could alter the outcome instantly of any timeline that was created. In other words, it seems if god exists, free will does not exist. A little help on this subject would be appreciated.
This might be opening a can of worms you aren't ready for here. :mrgreen:

Actually, if you do a search in the Religion forum, where we are now, for 'free will', then you'll come up with a bunch-o-threads either on the topic of free will or devolved into the topic of free will.

[Meriweather]

These two threads have recent discussions on free will:

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1571411&highlight=Free+Will
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1556181&highlight=Free+Will

[biggles53]

I'm a little confused about free will. I understand god would want us to choose him freely, but by god creating everything in existence, the initial "ingredients" god chose originally to create us with set in stone which people will do what when. If he is outside of time, he knows instantly every outcome possible the moment the universe was created, and could alter the outcome instantly of any timeline that was created. In other words, it seems if god exists, free will does not exist. A little help on this subject would be appreciated.

Welcome to the 'Paradox'........:cool:

[Lie Sniper]

I'm a little confused about free will. I understand god would want us to choose him freely, but by god creating everything in existence, the initial "ingredients" god chose originally to create us with set in stone which people will do what when. If he is outside of time, he knows instantly every outcome possible the moment the universe was created, and could alter the outcome instantly of any timeline that was created. In other words, it seems if god exists, free will does not exist. A little help on this subject would be appreciated.

Knowledge of choices made, before they are made, does not negate your ability to make choices freely.

So I have heard.

[biggles53]

Knowledge of choices made, before they are made, does not negate your ability to make choices freely.

So I have heard.

Oh boy.....here we go again...!

Perfect foreknowledge of choices made negates the possibility of any other choice being made.......:cool:

[Lie Sniper]

Oh boy.....here we go again...!

Perfect foreknowledge of choices made negates the possibility of any other choice being made.......:cool:

I thought you'd like that. ;)

[RayMan]

Oh boy.....here we go again...!

Perfect foreknowledge of choices made negates the possibility of any other choice being made.......:cool:

Considering that I don't know perfect knowledge of choices, how does God's foreknowledge negate MY free will?

I have always felt this is one of the weaker arguments you guys have. Atheists must all be Calvinists at heart. :cool:

[Lie Sniper]

Considering that I don't know perfect knowledge of choices, how does God's foreknowledge negate MY free will?

I have always felt this is one of the weaker arguments you guys have. Atheists must all be Calvinists at heart. :cool:

I guess somehow knowing what you will do, also controls what you will do. <Shrug>

[RayMan]

I guess somehow knowing what you will do, also controls what you will do. <Shrug>

Pretty much a crock IMO.

[gpd®]

Welcome to the 'Paradox'........:cool:

Yes, God could know "all" things. What if He chooses not to? I would think that would bring "free will" back into play. Of course I'm Pentecostal, I've got a million ideas about God that help knock back many paradoxes.;)

[gpd®]

Anyone see the History Channel special on Newton and his predictions for the end of the world based on Bible mathematics?

[archangelo]

I was going to take the poll, but I noticed that the "I can only hope" choice was missing...

[Koushi Shinigami]

meh.

[Finality]

Anyone see the History Channel special on Newton and his predictions for the end of the world based on Bible mathematics?
I'm sure someone did! Did you? Was it any good?

[gpd®]

I'm sure someone did! Did you? Was it any good?

It actually was. He predicted the return of the Jews during the middle of the 20th century. He also predicted the end of the world at 2060.

Very close to what my brother and I predicted at 2070...according to many Bible hints.

[Jacob_Rising]

We are allready in the end times of tribulation but people refuse to see it just as it says in Revelation.

They refuse to repent and to recognize God because they are not aware that the end times are there.

The clock is allready ticking.

People refuse to see it and they remain blind allthough so much has happened which cannot be denied, They still don't see it.

[lwdc]

We are allready in the end times of tribulation but people refuse to see it just as it says in Revelation.

They refuse to repent and to recognize God because they are not aware that the end times are there.

The clock is allready ticking.

People refuse to see it and they remain blind allthough so much has happened which cannot be denied, They still don't see it.No.

In Revelation, people were painfully aware that tribulation was occurring.

[lwdc]

It actually was. He predicted the return of the Jews during the middle of the 20th century. He also predicted the end of the world at 2060.What credible, verifiable sources did the History Channel cite?

[windstar3x3]

Finality:
What's the "same due recompense as those of the past"?

I choose denial of warnings, just for fun. When can I expect my "same due recompense"?

windstar3x3:
Does Sodom & Gomorrah or those wanting on the Ark ring a bell ?

[Jacob_Rising]

No.

In Revelation, people were painfully aware that tribulation was occurring.They were plainly aware because of their suffering but they were not aware it was from God and they refused to repent and give God Glory, they refused to repent of their idol worshipping and their lies and their murders.

If there were no doubts who was causing the suffering then all people would repent immediatly but they do not know the times and the seasons but the wise do.

Daniel talks about a Man who seeks to change the times and the seasons and they have in fact been changed because they are hidden from the world because the world does not care to be interested in the appointed days of God and they know nothing from seasons and Harvests that speak about the visitation days of God.

How could people see and realize the appointed days of Tribulation when they are not learned in the appointed days?

[lwdc]

They were plainly aware because of their suffering but they were not aware it was from God and they refused to repent and give God Glory, they refused to repent of their idol worshipping and their lies and their murders.

If there were no doubts who was causing the suffering then all people would repent immediatly but they do not know the times and the seasons but the wise do.
Wrong.

Their suffering caused them to hate God and to curse God even more.

See chapter 16.

[Jacob_Rising]

Wrong.

Their suffering caused them to hate God and to curse God even more.

See chapter 16.I hear people curse God as the day is long and I see Millions and millions coming against God enough to split the people of the United states right down the middle because when you choose a leader who hates the Chosen people and who hates Christianity and Israel, I see people cursing God.

The supposed teachers of the world from universities professors to people who would choose the welfare of animals over an infant's welfare show me everyday that they are spitting in God's face right now.

I see them spitting and drooling on themselves trying to erase any sight of God and anything that is called of God and I see a United Nations of Idiots planning Genocide against God's chosen and people just look on as if it isn't happening.

Anything that was ever righteous or Holy is being attacked from the reverence of Marriage to a simple Sabbath Keeping.

You might not see people cursing God, But I do.

[lwdc]

I hear people curse God as the day is long and I see Millions and millions coming against God enough to split the people of the United states right down the middle because when you choose a leader who hates the Chosen people and who hates Christianity and Israel, I see people cursing God.

The supposed teachers of the world from universities professors to people who would choose the welfare of animals over an infant's welfare show me everyday that they are spitting in God's face right now.

I see them spitting and drooling on themselves trying to erase any sight of God and anything that is called of God and I see a United Nations of Idiots planning Genocide against God's chosen and people just look on as if it isn't happening.

Anything that was ever righteous or Holy is being attacked from the reverence of Marriage to a simple Sabbath Keeping.

You might not see people cursing God, But I do.uh yep.

[lwdc]

I hear people curse God as the day is long and I see Millions and millions coming against God enough to split the people of the United states right down the middle because when you choose a leader who hates the Chosen people and who hates Christianity and Israel, I see people cursing God.

The supposed teachers of the world from universities professors to people who would choose the welfare of animals over an infant's welfare show me everyday that they are spitting in God's face right now.

I see them spitting and drooling on themselves trying to erase any sight of God and anything that is called of God and I see a United Nations of Idiots planning Genocide against God's chosen and people just look on as if it isn't happening.

Anything that was ever righteous or Holy is being attacked from the reverence of Marriage to a simple Sabbath Keeping.

You might not see people cursing God, But I do.Since we were talking about the book of Revelation when you brought all this up, I have to ask, have you had the opportunity to look into that "Conservative Bible Project" mentioned in the other thread?

[Jacob_Rising]

Since we were talking about the book of Revelation when you brought all this up, I have to ask, have you had the opportunity to look into that "Conservative Bible Project" mentioned in the other thread?No I didn't see it.

[lwdc]

No I didn't see it.http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

[windstar3x3]

lwdc:
Their suffering caused them to hate God and to curse God even more.


windstar:
Those that suffer correction and chastening of the Lord for their iniquities, who then turn in anger towards the Lord, do tempt the Lord's wrath exceedingly.

[Finality]

Does Sodom & Gomorrah or those wanting on the Ark ring a bell ?
I know the stories. What of them?

I have been ignoring the doomsayer warnings of people like you for years, and I still haven't had fire and destruction rain down on me, or been turned into a pillar of salt, or drowned in a flood.

Is there anything I can do to speed up the process?

[Dancer]

Don't know. Don't care. I could die today or tomorrow and that would be my personal 'end of times' so I think we are supposed to behave as though today was the last day of our lives and tomorrow we will be in heaven...so love one another.

[RayMan]

I know the stories. What of them?

I have been ignoring the doomsayer warnings of people like you for years, and I still haven't had fire and destruction rain down on me, or been turned into a pillar of salt, or drowned in a flood.

Is there anything I can do to speed up the process?

:think: Hmm...I will have to get back to you on that.

[Jacob_Rising]

Don't know. Don't care. I could die today or tomorrow and that would be my personal 'end of times' so I think we are supposed to behave as though today was the last day of our lives and tomorrow we will be in heaven...so love one another.To Turn either to the left or the right is silly and to cast all to the wind is careless. The people look here and there and study this and that until the dawn breaks and they have no rest from looking everywhere.

All the rivers run to the ocean yet the ocean is never filled but the simple conclusion to the matter is simple.

Fear God and Keep his commandments, For this is the whole duty of Man. For God will bring every work into Judgment, Including every secret thing, whether it is good or whether it is evil.

Drink Now and be merry and eat your bread with Joy after accepting the conclusion because God has allready accepted your works so let your garments always remain white, and let your head lack no oil and the Oil is easily found if the simple truth and conclusion is accepted.

[lwdc]

I could die today or tomorrow and that would be my personal 'end of times' so I think we are supposed to behave as though today was the last day of our lives and tomorrow we will be in heaven...so love one another.+1

Dancer, your words reminded me of His words:
I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come. A new command I give you: Love one another. - John 13:33-34

[windstar3x3]

Finality:
I know the stories. What of them?



windstar3x3:
They indicate what happens when the Lord loses patience.


Finality:
I have been ignoring the doomsayer warnings of people like you for years, and I still haven't had fire and destruction rain down on me, or been turned into a pillar of salt, or drowned in a flood.

Is there anything I can do to speed up the process?


windstar3x3:
Perhaps you are confused, the Lord does things to his pleasure, and he is long suffering. Your sense of time comes in second place at best.

[Drawz]

windstar3x3:
They indicate what happens when the Lord loses patience.



windstar3x3:
Perhaps you are confused, the Lord does things to his pleasure, and he is long suffering. Your sense of time comes in second place at best.

Both of your points seem to support my sig line.

[Finality]

They indicate what happens when the Lord loses patience.

Perhaps you are confused, the Lord does things to his pleasure, and he is long suffering. Your sense of time comes in second place at best.
Wait, your God will lose patience, but it might not be until I'm just about to die of old age? That won't teach me much of a lessen.

Why would your god even bother then? Seems like Drawz is right about that.

By the way, how can an infinitely-good and loving being lose patience? Unless you don't believe your god to be infinitely-loving or infinitely-good, I guess.

Impatience is a character flaw, in my opinion. Patience is a virtue.

[Dancer]

windstar3x3:
They indicate what happens when the Lord loses patience.My Lord does not lose patience. Everything he does is an act of love done for the purpose of drawing us closer to him. All that he does is for OUR good and HIS glory. His love for us glorifies him. While we on this side might not consider his actions merciful, there is mercy in them nonetheless.


Perhaps you are confused, the Lord does things to his pleasure, and he is long suffering. Your sense of time comes in second place at best.This I agree with.

[Dancer]

Both of your points seem to support my sig line.The suggestion that the Lord is a spoiled child because he is long suffering (endlessly tolerates and forgives our indiscretions) makes little sense to me. I worship a Lord whose pleasure is that all should have eternal life and those who choose not to have eternal life do not continue to suffer in the Lord's presence, the Lord ends their suffering in his mercy.

[Finality]

The suggestion that the Lord is a spoiled child because he is long suffering (endlessly tolerates and forgives our indiscretions) makes little sense to me. I worship a Lord whose pleasure is that all should have eternal life and those who choose not to have eternal life do not continue to suffer in the Lord's presence, the Lord ends their suffering in his mercy.
At least your view makes more sense than windstar's self-contradictory view.

[gpd®]

What credible, verifiable sources did the History Channel cite?

The personal writings of Newton himself.

http://www.isaac-newton.org/update.html

[lwdc]

The personal writings of Newton himself.

http://www.isaac-newton.org/update.htmlOkay... This is what you said:He predicted the return of the Jews during the middle of the 20th century. He also predicted the end of the world at 2060.

This is what your linked site said: Did Newton believe the world would end in 2060?

No, not in a literal sense. For Newton, 2060 A.D. would be more like a new beginning. It would be the end of an old age, and the beginning of a new era—the era Jews refer to the Messianic age and the era premillenarian Christians term the Millennium or Kingdom of God.
Also, your linked site said nothing about Newton predicting "the return of the Jews during the middle of the 20th century."

But thanks for the second-hand info (in lawyer-speak, it's called something else, but that's not important). It was interesting.

[gpd®]

Okay... This is what you said:

This is what your linked site said:
Also, your linked site said nothing about Newton predicting "the return of the Jews during the middle of the 20th century."

But thanks for the second-hand info (in lawyer-speak, it's called something else, but that's not important). It was interesting.

Sorry, I will try to locate History Channel information. Basically, Newton's diary was cut up into 2 pieces. I believe a Brit bought half and a Jew from Israel bought the other.

All the information is supposed to be directly from his diary. I will search the net and History Channel site for more info.

eta: Here is a paper written on the return of the Jews predicted by Newton. I am also reading it at the time I posted this. I know what I heard on History Channel, so we will both discover together if this is verifiable.

If you are a lawyer, you will love this read.;)

http://www.isaac-newton.org/snobelen.pdf

[lwdc]

Sorry, I will try to locate History Channel information. Basically, Newton's diary was cut up into 2 pieces. I believe a Brit bought half and a Jew from Israel bought the other.

All the information is supposed to be directly from his diary. I will search the net and History Channel site for more info.

eta: Here is a paper written on the return of the Jews predicted by Newton. I am also reading it at the time I posted this. I know what I heard on History Channel, so we will both discover together if this is verifiable.

If you are a lawyer, you will love this read.;)

http://www.isaac-newton.org/snobelen.pdfOkay. I read everything in your link here, just like I read everything in your link from post #121. That's four precious hours of my life that I will never get back. They say nothing, NOTHING, about your claims from post #97.

Therefore, it is fair for me to ask: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

The only positive that I can take away from these futile exercises is that I now know, for future reference, what kind of attention your links deserve.

[darknessesedge]

the Lord can come back and take his own at anytime.

[Koushi Shinigami]

He does so every single day.

[Hadassah]

Do you believe your god will cause the 'end of the world' within your lifetime?

By 'end of the world' I mean whatever your religion holds as eschatology. I understand that for some religions, like certain Christian sects that believe in multi-stage eschatology, the question might not be narrow enough. So, decide for yourself if you fit into Yes or No and feel free to explain below.

I have no idea. I certainly hope not.


What I do know is that there will be an "end time" for me and that is what I need be more concerned about.

[windstar3x3]

It sure seems to me with Sodom & Gomorrah and Noah's Ark, the Lord's patience can run out as can His love for those wallowing in iniquity. Does the concept of God's wrath, so amply spoken of, forgotten ?

[Koushi Shinigami]

Forgotten? No. God's wrath ended with the new covenant. We are now living with Jesus' grace.

[windstar3x3]

windstar3x3:
It is sad to see people believe that God and Santa /Claus are one and the same. God promises vengeance, judgment, consequences of actions, even in the New Testament. The Lord said; He IS austere.

1.severe in manner or appearance; uncompromising; strict; forbidding: an austere teacher. 2.rigorously self-disciplined and severely moral; ascetic; abstinent: the austere quality of life in the convent. 3.grave; sober; solemn; serious: an austere manner. 4.without excess, luxury, or ease; simple; limited; severe: an austere life. 5.severely simple; without ornament: austere writing. 6.lacking softness; hard: an austere bed of straw.


Acts:5:5-10

4Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.


5And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

[Koushi Shinigami]

Tell me, windstar3x3, doesn't one have to die in order to go to Heaven?

[Jacob_Rising]

the Lord can come back and take his own at anytime.

No he can't.

He has to stay within the guidelines of Prophecy.

Being that there is no rapture is beside the point but Prophecy must be fulfilled before the end comes.

[Jacob_Rising]

It sure seems to me with Sodom & Gomorrah and Noah's Ark, the Lord's patience can run out as can His love for those wallowing in iniquity. Does the concept of God's wrath, so amply spoken of, forgotten ?I havn't forgotten it but we are allready told that it will be as in the days of Noah and in the days of Sodom where the people will be drinking and making Merry right up unil the fire comes down from heaven, right up until the door of the Ark is closed and right up until the great day of the Lord that is burning like an oven.

God has a day of Vengence and recompense that has allready been decided for the people who have cursed his annointed people and I believe those days of Wrath have allready Begun.

But People will not see it.

[lwdc]

No he can't.

He has to stay within the guidelines of Prophecy.
Yes

He

Can!


Prophecy doesn't control Him! He vindicates true prophecy and exposes false prophecy by what He does! Not vice versa!



Good night!

[Jacob_Rising]

Yes

He

Can!


Prophecy doesn't control Him! He vindicates true prophecy and exposes false prophecy by what He does! Not vice versa!



Good night!He cannot go against his own word, if he does then what is the use of his word in the first place?

God is not going to invalidate his own self.

[windstar3x3]

Jacob_Rising, one would think denial is a common religion of fanatics that has spread over the world. Not loving the truth/God they have turned to false messiahs/preachers and are given over. Still it is the time of the Harvest and as the Lord said, the workers are few INDEED !

QUOTE:
Tell me, windstar3x3, doesn't one have to die in order to go to Heaven?

windstar:
That would be the far more common route, but no, one doesn't HAVE TO.

[biggles53]

Considering that I don't know perfect knowledge of choices, how does God's foreknowledge negate MY free will?

I have always felt this is one of the weaker arguments you guys have. Atheists must all be Calvinists at heart. :cool:

Sorry to be so slow in replying Ray - much needed week's vacation in Bali...:cool:

Yes, YOUR knowledge of all choices is less than perfect, but, according to people of faith, your god's ISN'T...!

So, if that's the case, it is impossible for you to exercise any choice that would negate His 'vision'. To do so would mean that He had erred in his 'sight', would fail the Omniscience Test, and would be less than perfect.

You have a choice all right.......one between accepting that human beings operate with a free will, OR a belief in a perfectly omniscient God.

But, you can't have both............sorry!