Yom Kippur - Never on a Sunday

[MR. MISTER]

Interesting fact -
Yom Kippur can never be on a Sunday, or a Friday. If the 10th of Tishrei (Yom Kippur) were to fall on either, the Jewish calendar is "adjusted" in the previous year by adding or subtracting a day from one of 2 months in the previous year to prevent this from happening.

The reason is that Yom Kippur is like Shabbat; and to have 2 such days in a row (with the restrictions they impose - no lighting candles, no burying the dead), is considered too much of a hardship.

Check this out -
http://www.jewfaq.org/calendar.htm

http://www.jewfaq.org/calendr2.htm

[Harmonious]

Thanks for the reminder. Yom Kippur can only be on Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, or Shabbat. (And, of course, it starts the night before.)

[RayMan]

Interesting. Why not on Tuesday?

[Harmonious]

Interesting. Why not on Tuesday?

Mr. Mister explained why Yom Kippur could not be on a Sunday.

For reasons I'm not fully aware of (I only know that it IS so), when the Rabbis set up a permanent calendar, as opposed to a system involving witnesses to declare a new month, they declared that the first day of Rosh Hashana can never be on a Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday (with the pneumonic "Lo Adu Rosh"). They also declared, for similar reasoning, I would imagine, that Passover (well... the first day, anyway) can never happen on a Monday, a Wednesday, or a Friday (with the pneumonic "Lo B'du Pesach").

Putting Pesach aside for the moment, let's focus on Rosh Hashana. If there are three days that Rosh Hashana can never happen, that pretty much settles that there are three days on which Yom Kippur can't happen, which is on the tenth day of the month that Rosh Hashana is the first day. (My reasoning is a bit off, I know, as the arrangement was made so that Yom Kippur can't fall on certain days. However, I didn't create the pneumonic device, and that involves Rosh Hashana.)

So, it follows that if Rosh Hashana can never fall on Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday, Yom Kippur can never fall on a Sunday, Tuesday, or Friday.

[Jacob_Rising]

So, it follows that if Rosh Hashana can never fall on Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday,

I was reading that Rosh Hashanna is celebrated for two days because of uncertainty about observing the festivals on the correct calendar day. That Rosh Hashannah is the Only day celebrated two days in Israel.

Does that still apply or has it ever?

I could see it happening in the old days because they couldn't decide when the Moon was fully promulgated, and it would be heightened by the fact that it falls on Rosh Chodesh, The New Moon itself.

So wouldn't they have celebrated it two days to make sure?

[Harmonious]

In Israel, Rosh Hashana is the only holiday that is celebrated for two days in the same way the Jews celebrate the Biblical holidays outside of Israel. (Purim is not being counted, here.)

And, of course, Yom Kippur is only celebrated one day, outside AND inside of Israel, because two consecutive fast days would be far too much of a burden on the general community.

Outside of Israel, Rosh Hashana gets two days, Yom Kippur gets one. The first two days of Sukkot are holiday. Shmini Atzeret gets two days. The first two days of Passover are holiday, as is the Seventh of Passover (which becomes the seventh and eighth). Shavuot gets two days.

Inside of Israel, with the exception of Rosh Hashana, every other one of the holidays I mentioned gets one day of holiday, with the exception (what else is new?) of Jews who are only visiting for a few months, who will return to their homes outside of Israel. They keep the two-day holiday schedule I mentioned in the above paragraph.

[MR. MISTER]

I was reading that Rosh Hashanna is celebrated for two days because of uncertainty about observing the festivals on the correct calendar day. That Rosh Hashannah is the Only day celebrated two days in Israel.

Does that still apply or has it ever?

I could see it happening in the old days because they couldn't decide when the Moon was fully promulgated, and it would be heightened by the fact that it falls on Rosh Chodesh, The New Moon itself.

So wouldn't they have celebrated it two days to make sure?
That is one reason.

Another reason I can see is to be sure one hears the sound of the Shofar.

Since the first day this year fell on Shabbat, the Shofar was not sounded then, but it was on the second.

Tashlich (the ceremony of casting one's sins (bread) into a body of flowing water), is usually observed on the first day. But again this year, because of Shabbat, was observed on the second. Likwise, certain prayers in the service (Avinu Malkeinu) which are not recited on Shabbat.

[RayMan]

Mr. Mister explained why Yom Kippur could not be on a Sunday.

For reasons I'm not fully aware of (I only know that it IS so), when the Rabbis set up a permanent calendar, as opposed to a system involving witnesses to declare a new month, they declared that the first day of Rosh Hashana can never be on a Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday (with the pneumonic "Lo Adu Rosh"). They also declared, for similar reasoning, I would imagine, that Passover (well... the first day, anyway) can never happen on a Monday, a Wednesday, or a Friday (with the pneumonic "Lo B'du Pesach").

Putting Pesach aside for the moment, let's focus on Rosh Hashana. If there are three days that Rosh Hashana can never happen, that pretty much settles that there are three days on which Yom Kippur can't happen, which is on the tenth day of the month that Rosh Hashana is the first day. (My reasoning is a bit off, I know, as the arrangement was made so that Yom Kippur can't fall on certain days. However, I didn't create the pneumonic device, and that involves Rosh Hashana.)

So, it follows that if Rosh Hashana can never fall on Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday, Yom Kippur can never fall on a Sunday, Tuesday, or Friday.


Thanks.



(Oy! Now my brain hurts.)

[Jacob_Rising]

Tashlich (the ceremony of casting one's sins (bread) into a body of flowing water), is usually observed on the first day. But again this year, because of Shabbat, was observed on the second. Likwise, certain prayers in the service (Avinu Malkeinu) which are not recited on Shabbat.Please tell me more about Tashlich, I always have this notion in my mind and I can't think of where it comes from but it's there.

Throwing bread into the water, where does it comes from?

[davetexas]

Mr. Mister explained why Yom Kippur could not be on a Sunday.

For reasons I'm not fully aware of (I only know that it IS so), when the Rabbis set up a permanent calendar, as opposed to a system involving witnesses to declare a new month, they declared that the first day of Rosh Hashana can never be on a Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday (with the pneumonic "Lo Adu Rosh"). They also declared, for similar reasoning, I would imagine, that Passover (well... the first day, anyway) can never happen on a Monday, a Wednesday, or a Friday (with the pneumonic "Lo B'du Pesach").

Putting Pesach aside for the moment, let's focus on Rosh Hashana. If there are three days that Rosh Hashana can never happen, that pretty much settles that there are three days on which Yom Kippur can't happen, which is on the tenth day of the month that Rosh Hashana is the first day. (My reasoning is a bit off, I know, as the arrangement was made so that Yom Kippur can't fall on certain days. However, I didn't create the pneumonic device, and that involves Rosh Hashana.)

So, it follows that if Rosh Hashana can never fall on Sunday, Wednesday, or Friday, Yom Kippur can never fall on a Sunday, Tuesday, or Friday.

Interesting to note that Rosh Hashana and feast of tabernacles fall on a full moon.

(the Jewish calandar being lunar)



CORRECTION............New,not full..........sorry

[Jacob_Rising]

CORRECTION............New,not full..........sorryAre you quite sure?

Are you sure these days havn't been celebrated on other days, in different months?

It doesn't always happen as we see it in General.

Are you sure that Passover wasn't celebrated at Tabernacles and Tabernacles at Passover?

14
15
7 th month New Year and all confuses me to begin with.

15th seems to be a speacial day though, But when exactly is it?

The 3rd?

The 4th?

The whole thing is confusing, How do those Jews do it?

Dang those numbers but I'm just a beginner.

[Harmonious]

Interesting to note that Rosh Hashana and feast of tabernacles fall on a full moon.

(the Jewish calandar being lunar)



CORRECTION............New,not full..........sorry

Rosh Hashana is the start of the month, which is a new moon.

Sukkot is on the 15th of the month, which is a full moon.

[Jacob_Rising]

Rosh Hashana is the start of the month, which is a new moon.

Sukkot is on the 15th of the month, which is a full moon.What is the 14th?

What is the 14th of Nissan?

[Harmonious]

Are you quite sure?

Are you sure these days havn't been celebrated on other days, in different months?

It doesn't always happen as we see it in General.

Are you sure that Passover wasn't celebrated at Tabernacles and Tabernacles at Passover?

14
15
7 th month New Year and all confuses me to begin with.

15th seems to be a speacial day though, But when exactly is it?

The 3rd?

The 4th?

The whole thing is confusing, How do those Jews do it?

Dang those numbers but I'm just a beginner.

Rosh Hashana is on the first of Tishrei. Yom Kippur is on the tenth. Sukkot (Tabernacles) is on the 15, and lasts for seven days. On what would be the eighth day is another holiday called Shmini Atzeret.

Passover is on the 15th of Nissan. THE 15TH. And it lasts for seven days.

Shavuot is on the 6th of Sivan.

Purim is on the 14th of Adar, but in Jerusalem and walled cities in Israel, it is on the 15th, called Shushan Purim.

Chanukah is on the 25th of Kislev.

Do you want the dates of all the minor festivals and fast days, too?

Why is this such a puzzlement to you? There is something not cool about this. If you are curious to learn, I'm always willing to teach, but I'm not sure everything is what it seems.

[Jacob_Rising]

Rosh Hashana is on the first of Tishrei. Yom Kippur is on the tenth. Sukkot (Tabernacles) is on the 15, and lasts for seven days. On what would be the eighth day is another holiday called Shmini Atzeret.

Passover is on the 15th of Nissan. THE 15TH. And it lasts for seven days.

Shavuot is on the 6th of Sivan.

Purim is on the 14th of Adar, but in Jerusalem and walled cities in Israel, it is on the 15th, called Shushan Purim.

Chanukah is on the 25th of Kislev.

Do you want the dates of all the minor festivals and fast days, too?

Why is this such a puzzlement to you? There is something not cool about this. If you are curious to learn, I'm always willing to teach, but I'm not sure everything is what it seems.Thank You.

And Yes, More Please.

[Jacob_Rising]

The date of the evening is that of the Proceeding day; Only in Post Biblical tradition was the method reversed and evenings giving the date of the following day.

Thus Passover had the Name of the 14th and so did Sukkot.

[Mimiheart]

No, Jacob. The date is the date. The 15th is the 15th.

[Jacob_Rising]

No, Jacob. The date is the date. The 15th is the 15th.I had a conversation about this years ago because everything I read told me it was the 14th and now this New Orthodox Jewish study bible tells me the same thing, That it was called, '' The 14th''.

My point is that all the Holy days seem to have a hidden Long day within them, Shemini Atzereth is merely saying, '' Shimchat Torah'' But which is the 8th day when there are two?

There are two days celebrated for Rosh Hashannah so which is the real beginning and is it really Rosh Hashannah at all?

Is Passover really the 14th or does it get mixed up with unleavened bread?

I will go with the 15th because I believe the 15th to be ,'' Yoma Arikhta'' or ,'' One Long day'' as the rabbinic view held about the two days of Rosh Hashannah as being, One long day.

All of the Holy days seem to have a hidden yoma Arikhta within them all and it appears to me that all the Holy days tell you that one long day is engrained in all of them because it points to God's special day which is out of the Calender, neither fall , winter or Summer but a day peculiar to the Lord.

They all seem to point to Rosh Hashannah's ,'' Yom Hakeseh, or ,'' The hidden day''

WE say that the New year is on the 7th month on the first day of the Month but I will tell you that it's the 14th on Nissan.

But you allready know that there are many Year cycles and so while I say Passover is the beginning of Months, You say Rosh Hashannah is, and I say, '' No, But Simchat Torah is the Beginning''

But then I would say,'' No, But Shavuot is the beginning because the Law was given.''

But then I say , '' No'', and give you another year cycle.

I believe all these cycles come together after you write them all down and transpose them one on top of the other.

With Each different year beginning, it gives different dates for each Holy day.

I just think they all point to one hidden long day engrained within them all.

That it points to God's peculiar day in which he wants his people to search for.