Should Obama Ask Bush/Petraeus How to Win in Afganistan?

[redfish64]

Everyone that is involved in politics is placing bets on what Obama will do in Afganistan. While many like myself already know what he is going to do, lose. All you have to do is watch what Obama has already done when it comes to military policy or foreign policy, he caves to the far left. San Francisco is running the White House, not Obama. Most Presidents in the past have sought advice from their cabinet, or military advisors, but Obama seeks advice from the daily kos, or the far left in San Fran. Those are his true advisors. The incompetence coming out of the White House these days, is enough to scare the pants off of anyone stills considers Al Qaeda a threat.

The title and suggestion, of asking Bush or Petraeus for advice or help, on how to win in Afganistan serves only as a line to tighten the butt cheeks of most liberals. It would never happen in a democratic administration, although it might be tempting to pin blame on a patsy.

Obama can care less about winning in Afganistan, and if you look at the cards he has already dealt, each one makes us weaker militarily, or in foreign policy. Attacking the CIA, stopping the production of the dominate fighter jet in the world the F-22,closing gitmo(well not yet), the John Adams project, going around the world apologizing for America, pulling our missle defense out of Poland, talking about possibly shooting down Israel jets if they attack Iran,and of course cutting billions in funds to the military. This is plane and simple, a President that does not have our protection, in the front of the list of his responsibilities.

Just yesterday New Yorks United Nations, looked like a meeting of SPECTER out of a James Bond movie. We had every smug, thug, crook, criminal, murder, thief and liar in the World, gathered together to make speeches with the Liar in Chief, Obama. I think we are all waiting to see what he apologizes for this week or give into, with his buddies. It is truly a sad day when the President of the United States, befriends people like Chavez, and blows off our friends in Poland or Israel. Truly sad.

So if I look into my Mc Chrystal ball, to predict the future of an Obama decission, I would have to say that he does not send troops. He will cave into his far left wing of the party, and do what the daily kos and san fran tell him to do. We have to keep in mind that this guy, Obama, has never ran anything, he has never been a CEO, ran a business, made a payroll, and now he is asked to run the most powerful country in the World. Well, powerful now, don't know about after Obama leaves office.

[Blindeye101]

Would he listen?

[Electromyographical Alien]

I heard he's discussing how to win Afghanistan with Harry Reid and Jim Carter.

[See It Clearly]

I think he should ask the Wizard of Oz for the same thing the Scarecrow wanted.:whistle:

[Sknyluv]

He could care less about winning in Afghanistan, yet he sends more troops. Crazy right?

[croupier101]

why, they couldn't do it.

[Electromyographical Alien]

He could care less about winning in Afghanistan, yet he sends more troops. Crazy right?

So.......the surge did work?

Is that where he's at now?

[Electromyographical Alien]

why, they couldn't do it.

Do what?

[croupier101]

Do what?

win. if they knew how to win, Obama wouldn't be cleaning up the 2 unfinished wars after them. they obviously didn't know how to win.

[simssk]

Like that would ever happen

[Sknyluv]

So.......the surge did work?

Is that where he's at now?

Say what now?

The OP said Obama doesn't care about winning in Afghanistan. You'd have to ignore everything the man has ever done or said about Afghanistan to believe that. Or be a poster on the Hannity forums.

[ThrowCop]

You don't ask people who failed how to win - you study their mistakes.

[MrShotShot]

win. if they knew how to win, Obama wouldn't be cleaning up the 2 unfinished wars after them. they obviously didn't know how to win.

Which is obviously why he took Bush's Iraq withdrawal plan, knocked a couple months off of the timeline, and signed his name to it.

[Crossriflesonblue]

You don't ask people who failed how to win - you study their mistakes.

Petraeus failed?...patently false......and didn't Bush promote Petraeus....Obama has changed little except add another level of confusion to the War....are we fighting to win or not....Obama said he wasn't sure after he was elected on his assurance that he knew how to win.....

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Everyone that is involved in politics is placing bets on what Obama will do in Afganistan. While many like myself already know what he is going to do, lose. All you have to do is watch what Obama has already done when it comes to military policy or foreign policy, he caves to the far left. San Francisco is running the White House, not Obama. Most Presidents in the past have sought advice from their cabinet, or military advisors, but Obama seeks advice from the daily kos, or the far left in San Fran. Those are his true advisors. The incompetence coming out of the White House these days, is enough to scare the pants off of anyone stills considers Al Qaeda a threat.

The title and suggestion, of asking Bush or Petraeus for advice or help, on how to win in Afganistan serves only as a line to tighten the butt cheeks of most liberals. It would never happen in a democratic administration, although it might be tempting to pin blame on a patsy.

Obama can care less about winning in Afganistan, and if you look at the cards he has already dealt, each one makes us weaker militarily, or in foreign policy. Attacking the CIA, stopping the production of the dominate fighter jet in the world the F-22,closing gitmo(well not yet), the John Adams project, going around the world apologizing for America, pulling our missle defense out of Poland, talking about possibly shooting down Israel jets if they attack Iran,and of course cutting billions in funds to the military. This is plane and simple, a President that does not have our protection, in the front of the list of his responsibilities.

Just yesterday New Yorks United Nations, looked like a meeting of SPECTER out of a James Bond movie. We had every smug, thug, crook, criminal, murder, thief and liar in the World, gathered together to make speeches with the Liar in Chief, Obama. I think we are all waiting to see what he apologizes for this week or give into, with his buddies. It is truly a sad day when the President of the United States, befriends people like Chavez, and blows off our friends in Poland or Israel. Truly sad.

So if I look into my Mc Chrystal ball, to predict the future of an Obama decission, I would have to say that he does not send troops. He will cave into his far left wing of the party, and do what the daily kos and san fran tell him to do. We have to keep in mind that this guy, Obama, has never ran anything, he has never been a CEO, ran a business, made a payroll, and now he is asked to run the most powerful country in the World. Well, powerful now, don't know about after Obama leaves office.

Petraeus is CENTCOM commander. We'll be implementing his negotiation strategy shortly, which I'm sure will induce strokes on here.

No one should ask Bush about A-stan. He back-burnered it and ****ed up massively with Pakistan.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

So.......the surge did work?

Is that where he's at now?

Restoring a semblance of basic security to Iraq does not even come close to the goals laid out after the invasion, let alone before.

[Crossriflesonblue]

Which is obviously why he took Bush's Iraq withdrawal plan, knocked a couple months off of the timeline, and signed his name to it.

Even then he couldn't stick to the Obama timeline.....

[croupier101]

Which is obviously why he took Bush's Iraq withdrawal plan, knocked a couple months off of the timeline, and signed his name to it.

I certainly am glad it didn't take Obama 6 1/2 years to come up with a plan to win.

[YouLost_ThatIsAll]

Which is obviously why he took Bush's Iraq withdrawal plan, knocked a couple months off of the timeline, and signed his name to it.
Ha Bush's Timetable, It was an Iraqi Law that passed the parliament..
Bush didin't think it up(Why would bush allow Iraqis to prosecute American soldiers?? Maybe he did think out this plan). Wasn't it Democrats who pressured him Into a timetable after years of NO TIMETABLE for Withdrawal?

[Crossriflesonblue]

Petraeus is CENTCOM commander. We'll be implementing his negotiation strategy shortly, which I'm sure will induce strokes on here.

No one should ask Bush about A-stan. He back-burnered it and ****ed up massively with Pakistan.

So tell us all about the back burner part and Pakistan....

[Crossriflesonblue]

I certainly am glad it didn't take Obama 6 1/2 years to come up with a plan to win.

His supporters are well on their way to declaring defeat in Afghanistan though.....he will find a way to bring that to fruition....

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

So tell us all about the back burner part and Pakistan....

Am I the only one who remembers Bush's "Afghan Marshall Plan" speech in 2002? That got scrapped for obvious reasons. There's also no denying that most of the elite units were redeployed to Iraq.

As far as Pakistan, they were far and away the biggest problem we have. Screw states that might be acquiring WMDs, Pakistan is a failing nuclear state with AQ inside its borders and an Islamist insurgency with sympathizers in the military.

And we gave Musharraf like ten billion in aid for. . . .basically nothing. We didn't hold him to any sort of accountability.

[Electromyographical Alien]

I certainly am glad it didn't take Obama 6 1/2 years to come up with a plan to win.

Wait, he's got a plan to win?

Last i heard he's still confused about what to do with troops in Afghanistan.

[croupier101]

His supporters are well on their way to declaring defeat in Afghanistan though.....he will find a way to bring that to fruition....

we've been talking about the failure to finish the job in Afghanistan for years, only now have conservatives finally joined in. You all told us how great we were doing, now that your boy is out, you have finally admitted it wasn't going that well.

Welcome back. Next time, I hope it doesn't take the right 6 1/2 years to figure out the war wasn't going very well.

[croupier101]

Wait, he's got a plan to win?

Last i heard he's still confused about what to do with troops in Afghanistan.

That is cause you only listen to conservative radio shows and ACORN stories I guess. That isn't Obama's fault you didn't know.

[Electromyographical Alien]

That is cause you only listen to conservative radio shows and ACORN stories I guess. That isn't Obama's fault you didn't know.

Oh, so what is his detailed plan, including his current proposal of his final decision on what to do with deploying or not deploying more troops to Afghanistan?

[Dragontales]

win. if they knew how to win, Obama wouldn't be cleaning up the 2 unfinished wars after them. they obviously didn't know how to win.

War isnt won by Presidents or by congress. The president merely needs to do what is asked of him by his Generals. General McKrystal was put in his current post under this administration, the least they could do is give the man what he is asking for.

State your case Croup, about how this president has made us safer. Please give me some specifics. If you think that his being nice to the muslim world is helping, your wrong. They keep killing us by larger and larger numbers.

What has he done? He has made us weaker. I would post specifics on how he has, but there are 40 threads on here about it. These are backed up by facts. Our allies are being left in the cold by this administration.

I know many of you have been here to be a part of this and I wish all of you could at least get one chance to see it in person. These young guys are giving it everything they have got in them to win. They are taking there licks in doing it, but they keep on day in and day out. Its amazing to see it. I wish that the flags werent at half staff almost everyday. I wish that there were far fewer ramp ceremonies than there are.

This war is going to be won by our military and our allies. Our current president and congress may make it tougher on them than we would like, but lose isnt in these guys vocabulary. We the people can help, send care packages, fly your flags proudly, fight for your beliefs and give thanks for these guys everyday.:flag::flag::flag:

I refuse to believe, despite my staunch opposition to this administration, that this country is any less of a place today.

[Electromyographical Alien]

we've been talking about the failure to finish the job in Afghanistan for years, only now have conservatives finally joined in. You all told us how great we were doing, now that your boy is out, you have finally admitted it wasn't going that well.

Welcome back. Next time, I hope it doesn't take the right 6 1/2 years to figure out the war wasn't going very well.
I think mostly everyone knew during the Bush years Afghanistan was going to be a huge struggle...moreso than Iraq. Those who wouldn't admit that then, I can't speak for.

[croupier101]

War isnt won by Presidents or by congress. The president merely needs to do what is asked of him by his Generals. General McKrystal was put in his current post under this administration, the least they could do is give the man what he is asking for.

State your case Croup, about how this president has made us safer. Please give me some specifics. If you think that his being nice to the muslim world is helping, your wrong. They keep killing us by larger and larger numbers.

Adding 17,000 troops to the Pakistan border, as well as 14 different strikes against 10 different terrorist camps inside the Pakistan border. He has rededicated to the fight in Afghanistan after 6 1/2 years of failure there and a failure to make it a priority.

As for the general, he hasn't not given what he has asked. It is in discussion. When he does like Bush and fires 6 generals in 6 years that didn't agree with him, then come back and talk to me.

[croupier101]

Oh, so what is his detailed plan, including his current proposal of his final decision on what to do with deploying or not deploying more troops to Afghanistan?

He hasn't made a final decision about troop levels yet, so your question doesn't make sense. As for his plan, he layed it out clearly along with an exit strategy in March and has not deviated from that plan.

[Crossriflesonblue]

Am I the only one who remembers Bush's "Afghan Marshall Plan" speech in 2002? That got scrapped for obvious reasons. There's also no denying that most of the elite units were redeployed to Iraq.

As far as Pakistan, they were far and away the biggest problem we have. Screw states that might be acquiring WMDs, Pakistan is a failing nuclear state with AQ inside its borders and an Islamist insurgency with sympathizers in the military.

And we gave Musharraf like ten billion in aid for. . . .basically nothing. We didn't hold him to any sort of accountability.

I also remember the coalition that was to help bring that vision forward and the part the UN was to play in all this.....You know all the things liberals wanted to see Bush pursue instead of unilateralism.....now they want to blame Bush for not going it alone....what a crock....

Musharraf gave plenty of help....problem is that even to this day the Taliban are seen as a trump card against any kind of aggressive move by the Indians against Pakistan even with Musharraf gone.....and at the end of the day our fight isn't with the Taliban...

[Electromyographical Alien]

He hasn't made a final decision about troop levels yet, so your question doesn't make sense. As for his plan, he layed it out clearly along with an exit strategy in March and has not deviated from that plan.

Ah, so his plan didn't include the strong possibility of the requirement of additional troops?

So he has one plan and is unable to adjust?

He said the surge wouldn't work in Iraq then he said it didn't work. So it seems this decision should be easy, since his military background tells him that additional troops don't work.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I also remember the coalition that was to help bring that vision forward and the part the UN was to play in all this.....You know all the things liberals wanted to see Bush pursue instead of unilateralism.....now they want to blame Bush for not going it alone....what a crock....

Musharraf gave plenty of help....problem is that even to this day the Taliban are seen as a trump card against any kind of aggressive move by the Indians against Pakistan even with Musharraf gone.....and at the end of the day our fight isn't with the Taliban...

I totally agree that Pakistan is using the Taliban as a proxy to curtail Indian influence in A-stan. They think Karzai is in India's pocket. Been saying that forever.

Making Afghanistan a NATO operation without a unified command was an enormous mistake.

And I don't agree that Musharraf did much besides help us catch a few AQ HVTs in the couple years after the war. He played us for a sucker.

[croupier101]

Ah, so his plan didn't include the strong possibility of the requirement of additional troops?
Yes it did, 17,000.

So he has one plan and is unable to adjust?
Huh? What the hell are you talking abuot. Where did he say that. This is what I am talking about, you are just complaining to complain. You never actually read or listened to his plan, you have no idea exactly all the details surrounding the generals recommendations. You are just complaining about the war to complain lacking any real details or idea what is going on.

Like I said, it is amazing to see the right sell out their views from 9 months ago regarding these conflicts.

[Electromyographical Alien]

Yes it did, 17,000.


Huh? What the hell are you talking abuot. Where did he say that. This is what I am talking about, you are just complaining to complain. You never actually read or listened to his plan, you have no idea exactly all the details surrounding the generals recommendations. You are just complaining about the war to complain lacking any real details or idea what is going on.

Like I said, it is amazing to see the right sell out their views from 9 months ago regarding these conflicts.
So why the hesitancy for more than 17,000?

Is 17,000 the magic number that he felt will get the job done? So now surges do in fact work? Why not just allow 17,000 and end deployment after that?

He's all over the place.

[Crossriflesonblue]

we've been talking about the failure to finish the job in Afghanistan for years, only now have conservatives finally joined in. You all told us how great we were doing, now that your boy is out, you have finally admitted it wasn't going that well.

Welcome back. Next time, I hope it doesn't take the right 6 1/2 years to figure out the war wasn't going very well.


What yall have been talking about for years is that we were losing in Iraq and you were wrong.....and Obama is the Commander -in- Chief who is responsible for the escalation of casualties in Afghanistan that has the liberal wing of the Democratic Party all abuzz with the "losing the war" talk ....Iraq revisited....

[Bigscore1]

What yall have been talking about for years is that we were losing in Iraq and you were wrong.....<snip>
Nope.

What we were talking about for years, is that we dropped the ball in Afghanistan because were focused on the wrong war (which we shouldn't have even been in).

And we were right.

[Jagergeist]

Petraeus is CENTCOM commander. We'll be implementing his negotiation strategy shortly, which I'm sure will induce strokes on here.

No one should ask Bush about A-stan. He back-burnered it and ****ed up massively with Pakistan.

Agreed. Our soldiers and families now are having to pay for mistakes Bush made then. Bush did a lot of good things in office but back burnering a war and assuring Americans it would be ok, when history clearly shows it was not going to be ok, was his biggest failure IMO.

[bigtwnvin]

Fighting a "counter insurgent" war with commanders and ground forces mostly trained in "conventional" warfare results in dynamic changes in tactics and strategies. Throughout history battlefield situations change in a war and every "plan" is great until people start to get killed. ******** "rules of engagement" simply delay the inevitable brutality and horror of the basic theme, killing the enemy. The object of the exercise is to kill all of them and not allow them to kill you. In war civilians that choose to be combatants, supply combatants or shield & hide combatants cannot be spared the full force of the US Military's resolve in defeating the enemy. Either help us defeat the enemy, get out of the way or face the consequences of standing in the line of fire I say.
Things would be
a lot simpler.

[SFC(R)L]

Fighting a "counter insurgent" war with commanders and ground forces mostly trained in "conventional" warfare results in dynamic changes in tactics and strategies. Throughout history battlefield situations change in a war and every "plan" is great until people start to get killed. ******** "rules of engagement" simply delay the inevitable brutality and horror of the basic theme, killing the enemy. The object of the exercise is to kill all of them and not allow them to kill you. In war civilians that choose to be combatants, supply combatants or shield & hide combatants cannot be spared the full force of the US Military's resolve in defeating the enemy. Either help us defeat the enemy, get out of the way or face the consequences of standing in the line of fire I say.
Things would be
a lot simpler.

Unfortunatrely, the LOAC is nore complex than that.

[SFC(R)L]

Agreed. Our soldiers and families now are having to pay for mistakes Bush made then. Bush did a lot of good things in office but back burnering a war and assuring Americans it would be ok, when history clearly shows it was not going to be ok, was his biggest failure IMO.

Baloney.

Threats shift; so do priorities.

The terrorists have migrated back to Afghanistan having been defeated in Iraq. Further, Afghanistan has a relatively stable government and establishing the same in Iraq was the priority.

[Dragontales]

Yes it did, 17,000.


Huh? What the hell are you talking abuot. Where did he say that. This is what I am talking about, you are just complaining to complain. You never actually read or listened to his plan, you have no idea exactly all the details surrounding the generals recommendations. You are just complaining about the war to complain lacking any real details or idea what is going on.

Like I said, it is amazing to see the right sell out their views from 9 months ago regarding these conflicts.


Obama is a millitary genius,or so he thinks, and all of the Kool Aid liberals on here are genius just in there blind faith and total inability to hold Obama accountable.

Throwing 17K troops in here is but one tiny aspect of winning a war. Sad thing is, he threw them in without providing **** for infrastructure to support the surge. It was rushed in to show that Obama is the man and he is doing something.

The man has made us weaker as a nation, he has abandoned and weakened our relationship with many of our allies, and has tried to strengthen the relationship with our enemies. They are emboldened by our weakness. Obama is a joke. He has no clue at all.

You cannot defend this man and his actions, he has not carried himself as the CIC worth a damn. He has no backbone or courage.

You my friend have no right to point at any person on this board about having no clue what is going on. You sir have no clue yourself and neither does your president with whom you have no courage to hold accountable. Keep defending the man who refuses to act like a president. He is so worried about his ****ing image and his party lines that he has lost, no im sorry, he has never had an idea of what his real job is. The man is undefendable in so many of his actions. It makes me sick.

[croupier101]

Obama is a millitary genius,or so he thinks, and all of the Kool Aid liberals on here are genius just in there blind faith and total inability to hold Obama accountable.

Throwing 17K troops in here is but one tiny aspect of winning a war. Sad thing is, he threw them in without providing **** for infrastructure to support the surge. It was rushed in to show that Obama is the man and he is doing something.
That was the plan presented to him by the generals. Obama didn't make it up himself. Unlike his predecessor he didn't just fire every general that disagreed with him.

The man has made us weaker as a nation, he has abandoned and weakened our relationship with many of our allies, and has tried to strengthen the relationship with our enemies. They are emboldened by our weakness. Obama is a joke. He has no clue at all.

You cannot defend this man and his actions, he has not carried himself as the CIC worth a damn. He has no backbone or courage.

You my friend have no right to point at any person on this board about having no clue what is going on. You sir have no clue yourself and neither does your president with whom you have no courage to hold accountable. Keep defending the man who refuses to act like a president. He is so worried about his ****ing image and his party lines that he has lost, no im sorry, he has never had an idea of what his real job is. The man is undefendable in so many of his actions. It makes me sick.

All that Obama Derangement Syndrome will make you sick and dizzy. But I am happy that conservatives are concerned with Afghanistan again after ignoring it for 6 1/2 years.

[redfish64]

Say what now?

The OP said Obama doesn't care about winning in Afghanistan. You'd have to ignore everything the man has ever done or said about Afghanistan to believe that. Or be a poster on the Hannity forums.

Are you trying to say that Obama would never go back on his word? He said he would not pull missle defense out of Poland as long as Iran was a threat. What did he do last week? pull missle defense out of Poland. So sending a few troops into Afganistan is an indication that he wants to win huh? Ok, I'll bet on those odds.

[Dragontales]

That was the plan presented to him by the generals. Obama didn't make it up himself. Unlike his predecessor he didn't just fire every general that disagreed with him.



All that Obama Derangement Syndrome will make you sick and dizzy. But I am happy that conservatives are concerned with Afghanistan again after ignoring it for 6 1/2 years.

You keep telling yourself how great he is.

So you really thik Obama is going to turn his back on his party and side with his general? Itll be proving me wrong if he does.

Most conservatives care more about this war than you ever will. You may want to watch which conservatives you say are just now caring about this war. Many of these conservatives you are pointing at here have more hard fought time in this dirthole than you can imgaine.

You still havent answered my question. How has Obama, through allienating our allies and trying to be nice to our enemies made us safer? How has his policy worked better than GWB's? What has he done that GWB didnt do to win this war? How did you become such a millitary/inteligence genius?

I can point to 20 threads about things he has done to weaken our nation. What can you point at that he has done to strengthen it. I am not talking about such and such said it is better under him. I am looking for specific actions he has taken.

[bigtwnvin]

Baloney.

Threats shift; so do priorities.

The terrorists have migrated back to Afghanistan having been defeated in Iraq. Further, Afghanistan has a relatively stable government and establishing the same in Iraq was the priority.
:clap: Voice of reason and clarity :clap:

[bigtwnvin]

Unfortunatrely, the LOAC is nore complex than that.

I know, but feels good to say it!;)

[redfish64]

For almost eight years the left has been crying about how we are fighting the wrong war in Iraq, we should be putting all our efforts in Afganistan. Well, the left now has what they wanted, the real war, in Afganistan. Obama put all his guys in there and now it is his to win or lose. I think he will choose defeat, simply because he is a far left radical who wants to diminish and weaken this country. Just today they have found direct ties between Acorn, Venezuela, and some other South American communist country. Why? I have said before, our military has used undercover ops to bring down governments in other countrires, why couldn't the same be done to us? Why are all these far left radical groups with communists ties in our government? Why is our government listening to the will of the few, intead of the voice of the many?

[redfish64]

I am in know way a military person, but this little old nobody can see the way to win in Afganistan. The way to win is drugs. Don't laugh, the majority of Afganistan is run by Drug lords whose main goal in life is to produce horoin. The one secret of these drug lords is that they will take staying in business over staying in a holy war. Our military can very easily switch to an all out war and eradication of poppies, and then sit down with one of these top drug dudes and say, lose the taliban and al qaeda or lose your way of living. You choose. Make no mistake guys and girls, these drug lords run Afganistan, and controlling them is the key to success or failure in that hell hole. They are not only the financial support behind terrorism, they are also the generals of terrorism.

[SFC(R)L]

For almost eight years the left has been crying about how we are fighting the wrong war in Iraq, we should be putting all our efforts in Afganistan. Well, the left now has what they wanted, the real war, in Afganistan. Obama put all his guys in there and now it is his to win or lose. I think he will choose defeat, simply because he is a far left radical who wants to diminish and weaken this country. Just today they have found direct ties between Acorn, Venezuela, and some other South American communist country. Why? I have said before, our military has used undercover ops to bring down governments in other countrires, why couldn't the same be done to us? Why are all these far left radical groups with communists ties in our government? Why is our government listening to the will of the few, intead of the voice of the many?

If President Bush had stated that he liked dogs, the left would have declared cats the national animal.

This is the depth of their position on Afghanistan: Bush was focused elsewhere, and the Bush Derangment Syndrome required them to immediately state that he was wrong, therefore Afghanistan was the true focus.

This assesment was not based upon their expert analysis of foreign policy or extensive military experience, as they do not possess these attributes. It was based solely upon the fact that they are imbued with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Now that they have their party in power, they are getting a taste of what it's like to be responsible for decisions, and for decisions that affect lives. And they don't like it very much.

[blackcatrun]

Love that finger pointing at "who failed to achieve victory" going on.

Nothing says defeat more than argueing over blame. Wait until the troops get off the plane here folks before you spit on them ok? Thats for the liberals and the so called republicans here too.

ASk the U.N. who is making the rules for engadgement.

[croupier101]

Well, the left now has what they wanted, the real war, in Afganistan.

I had no idea the right didn't think Afghanistan was a real war this entire time. That explains alot.

[redfish64]

If President Bush had stated that he liked dogs, the left would have declared cats the national animal.

This is the depth of their position on Afghanistan: Bush was focused elsewhere, and the Bush Derangment Syndrome required them to immediately state that he was wrong, therefore Afghanistan was the true focus.

This assesment was not based upon their expert analysis of foreign policy or extensive military experience, as they do not possess these attributes. It was based solely upon the fact that they are imbued with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Now that they have their party in power, they are getting a taste of what it's like to be responsible for decisions, and for decisions that affect lives. And they don't like it very much.

The report from McChystal is begging Obama to give him more troops, and that report has been on Obama desk since Aug 30th. Obama has still not made a decision on this. Can you imagine fighting out there waiting on help, and you life is in the hands of Obama to make a decision? I can't imagine what a belly bust that would be to ask him for help and not get it.

[SFC(R)L]

I am in know way a military person, but this little old nobody can see the way to win in Afganistan. The way to win is drugs. Don't laugh, the majority of Afganistan is run by Drug lords whose main goal in life is to produce horoin. The one secret of these drug lords is that they will take staying in business over staying in a holy war. Our military can very easily switch to an all out war and eradication of poppies, and then sit down with one of these top drug dudes and say, lose the taliban and al qaeda or lose your way of living. You choose. Make no mistake guys and girls, these drug lords run Afganistan, and controlling them is the key to success or failure in that hell hole. They are not only the financial support behind terrorism, they are also the generals of terrorism.

Destroying the poppy fields without supplanting that crop with another that can provide farmers with a living not only enrages the civilian populace, it acts as a recruiting tool for the taliban and al qaeda.

[redfish64]

I had no idea the right didn't think Afghanistan was a real war this entire time. That explains alot.

I was being sarcastic. Sarcasm, its a real word, look it up.

[SFC(R)L]

The report from McChystal is begging Obama to give him more troops, and that report has been on Obama desk since Aug 30th. Obama has still not made a decision on this. Can you imagine fighting out there waiting on help, and you life is in the hands of Obama to make a decision? I can't imagine what a belly bust that would be to ask him for help and not get it.

yes, I can imagine that.

[croupier101]

I was being sarcastic. Sarcasm, its a real word, look it up.

I did, and you weren't being sarcastic.

[Dragontales]

Baloney.

Threats shift; so do priorities.

The terrorists have migrated back to Afghanistan having been defeated in Iraq. Further, Afghanistan has a relatively stable government and establishing the same in Iraq was the priority.

Oh look, someone understands how things work in wars... and look, he is someone who has extensive knowledge of it first hand. Well said SFC.

Hope all is well with your men in there pre deployment training. My family wishes all of you the best. If you come through KAF it would be an honor to meet you in person.

[SFC(R)L]

Love that finger pointing at "who failed to achieve victory" going on.

Nothing says defeat more than argueing over blame. Wait until the troops get off the plane here folks before you spit on them ok? Thats for the liberals and the so called republicans here too.

ASk the U.N. who is making the rules for engadgement.

The rules of engagement are promulgated from the LOAC.

[SFC(R)L]

Oh look, someone understands how things work in wars... and look, he is someone who has extensive knowledge of it first hand. Well said SFC.

Hope all is well with your men in there pre deployment training. My family wishes all of you the best. If you come through KAF it would be an honor to meet you in person.

Thank you for your comments.

[redfish64]

Destroying the poppy fields without supplanting that crop with another that can provide farmers with a living not only enrages the civilian populace, it acts as a recruiting tool for the taliban and al qaeda.

First of all, are those poppy fields suppling food now? No. This country is totally run by drugs. That is their source of funds, but they are using those funds to supply al qaeda. My suggestion is to use those funds to supply their people and their country, until they switch over to another crop. Lets get rid of the biggest threat first, and that is the taliban and al qaeda. One problem at a time. Get the tribal members and drug lords on your side first, then look from alternative means of support.

[Rupperov91]

The report from McChystal is begging Obama to give him more troops, and that report has been on Obama desk since Aug 30th. Obama has still not made a decision on this. Can you imagine fighting out there waiting on help, and you life is in the hands of Obama to make a decision? I can't imagine what a belly bust that would be to ask him for help and not get it.

Pretty disingenuous statement. McChystal has said that we are more than capable of defending our positions and current strategy. We need more troops to expand our role beyond that in his opinion.

So basically your statement that we are out there "waiting on help" is disingenuous at best, irresponsible at worst.

[SFC(R)L]

First of all, are those poppy fields suppling food now? No. This country is totally run by drugs. That is their source of funds, but they are using those funds to supply al qaeda. My suggestion is to use those funds to supply their people and their country, until they switch over to another crop. Lets get rid of the biggest threat first, and that is the taliban and al qaeda. One problem at a time. Get the tribal members and drug lords on your side first, then look from alternative means of support.

poppy is the cash crop that provides income and access to credit to acquire food. If we attempt to eradicate the crop, it must be replaced and that has been a failure. It has served our enemy's needs and driven farmers to the terrorists for protection from us.

[Clamp]

Anyone bad mouthing the Commander in Chief during a time of war is emboldening the enemy.

Anyone bad mouthing the Commander in Chief during a time of war is guilty of nothing less then treason, and are putting our military further in harm's way.

[redfish64]

Pretty disingenuous statement. McChystal has said that we are more than capable of defending our positions and current strategy. We need more troops to expand our role beyond that in his opinion.

So basically your statement that we are out there "waiting on help" is disingenuous at best, irresponsible at worst.

So it is disingenuous and irresponsible of me to say what seem to be on every report and interview out there? Mccain was on Fox the other day and he said himself that he saw in his last visit to afganistan that more troops were needed, and that lives were being put unnecessarily at risk due to lack of troops. Troop deaths are up drasticly according to reports, but you are not waiting on help, right? So McChrystal report of looming defeat due to lack of troops and supplies, was just word play huh? Ok, Im sorry for being disingenuous and irresponsible.

[redfish64]

Anyone bad mouthing the Commander in Chief during a time of war is emboldening the enemy.

Anyone bad mouthing the Commander in Chief during a time of war is guilty of nothing less then treason, and are putting our military further in harm's way.

Are you talking about when the left did that to Bush or are you talking about the right looking to see if Obama has a spine?

[Rupperov91]

So it is disingenuous and irresponsible of me to say what seem to be on every report and interview out there? Mccain was on Fox the other day and he said himself that he saw in his last visit to afganistan that more troops were needed, and that lives were being put unnecessarily at risk due to lack of troops. Troop deaths are up drasticly according to reports, but you are not waiting on help, right? So McChrystal report of looming defeat due to lack of troops and supplies, was just word play huh? Ok, Im sorry for being disingenuous and irresponsible.

No need to apologize, it happens. You must have interpreted his request as meaning we were hanging on by a string out there. For the record he said the corruption in the government of Afghanistan is equally as important as troop levels.

[Crossriflesonblue]

Obama is directly responsible for higher casualty figures in Afghanistan, the buck stops at Commander and Chief...he escalated and increased the optempo......

[redfish64]

maybe Obama will ask some of his new buddies at the UN gathering of criminals to help him out in Afganistan. He might be able to beg Russia to give him some help since he has given away so much to them.