Mark Levin V. Glenn Beck

[7ranz]

I was curious what the general attitude is concerning Levin's comments concerning Glenn Beck the other day.

LEVIN: How can you day after day and night after night correctly rail against Obama's radicalism, how he's undermining the Constitution, how he's nationalizing our basic industries, how he has Marxists all around him, and then say in an interview with Katie Couric, I think John McCain would have been worse than Obama? Quote: "How about this? I think John McCain would have been worse for the country than Barack Obama. How's that?" That's not good. McCain is no conservative, in fact in many respects he's a progressive. Which is why I fought him. Day in and day out. Day in and day out behind this microphone. Not only fought him behind this microphone but wrote article after article -- go ahead and Google it -- rejecting his candidacy. But to say that he'd be worse than a president that's a Marxist, who's running around the country -- I'm sorry, the world -- apologizing for our nation, who's slashing our defense budget, who's nationalizing our health care system? To say he would be worse is mindless, mindless, incoherent as a matter of fact. There's our 5-PMer, on Fox. I'm sorry ladies and gentle I speak from the heart and speak with the mind. I don't know who people are playing to, I don't know why they are playing to certain people.

Ron Paul's another one. This fascination with Ron Paul. Ron Paul who blames America,"American imperialism", quote unquote, for the attacks on 9/11. How can any conservative embrace that?- while his domestic arguments-- 80% of them are sound in my humble-- opinion. He goes way off the cliff when it comes to foreign policy and blaming America and American armed forces and American, uh, good will, in my humble opinion for instigating the Islamo-Nazi attacks on us. How can anybody embrace that? And yet the 5PM-er does.


No I don' think so. I think there's enormous confusion and positioning and pandering. It may be entertaining, but from my perspective, it's not. It's pathetic."

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/21/quote-of-the-day-562/

So who do you agree with? Whose right about McCain? Who is right about Ron Paul?

Do you agree with Beck or Levin more?

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

Never get to hear Mark Levin. Reading his book now though.

[kat]

Mark Levin hands down.

[johnrocks]

I think Beck is coming around.

[kat]

Never get to hear Mark Levin. Reading his book now though.


http://www.marklevinshow.com/home.asp

Click audio and let her rip! :razz:

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

I will say Beck is on fire right now, using his popularity and platform to get out the truth. He's entertaining as well. I hate hearing him speak about "God" and calling people to prayer (for obvious reasons).

So far, with Levin, all I have is his book and agree with it MUCHLY.

[VCaddy05]

I like em both!

[byzantine catholic]

I think Beck is coming around.Beck and Lou Dobbs are people I like to hear on the news I agree with most of the time.:mrgreen:

[jwil59]

Levin, I can learn from him even when I disagree with him. He's a very very smart man

[Jabbamagnus]

Levin reacted to a snippet of a interview that will be air in it's entirety tonight. I reserve my vote until I hear the complete interview.

Beck did comment on this quote early and mentioned that perhaps he should have said may be worse than stating he'd be worse. Beck take is that McCain is a progressive republican and is helping destroy the party and in turn the country.

I believe there was a comment today about if your driving off a cliff what difference does it make if you are going 100mph and 50mph, you are still driving off the cliff.

I didn't vote for McCain in the primary, I believe he was wrong for the country and wrong for the party. But during the general election I held my nose and voted for McCain.

[ValricoKate]

I understand both sides of the argument.

Beck was saying w/ Obama it's like throwing a frog in a boiling pot of water, with McCain it would have been throwing the frog in an slowly increasing the temp ...w/ Obama the frog might have a chance to jump out.

Levin was saying that there is a very good chance the frog would die instantly in the boiling pot of water and he may have gotten bored in the jacuzzi and jumped out.

I say they both sucked ...but I voted for McCain.

[VirusX999]

I can't decide. Glenn is a very common sense kind of guy. Levin is a no nonsense kind of guy. I can't pick between the two.

[Iggy]

I like Mark Levin. I think he's probably the smartest of all the conservative talk show guys but I agree with Beck... to a certain extent.

When I heard Beck say that I took it to mean something similar to what Rush once said; [paraphrasing] "If we have to have a President who is going to destroy the country, I'd rather it be a Democrat than a Republican." Or something like that.

I think McCain would've been worse simply because he probably would have continued us down the same path that Bush led us on that got us into this mess to begin with and a conservative would never have a chance as a Republican ever again... that is unless he croaked of old age and Palin took his place.

[Residential Bob]

Do you agree with Beck or Levin more?Levin is right. McCain's ideas and policies would not have been as damaging to the American ideal as Obama's are. McCain may be liberal, but he's not as liberal as Obama.

On the other hand, I wonder what the country's perception of republicanism and the Republican Party would have been had McCain been elected president. Conservatives may know better, but the country as a whole might have thought a McCain administration was steering the country in the direction that the founding fathers had intended. That the country was intended to be centrist.

[DCinNC]

Beck is on top of things lately.

[political hack]

I actually agree with Beck on the point that McCain could have been worse than Obama. You have to keep in mind that McCain is a press whore. He'll go in whatever direction will make him look best. With that in mind the press would have bullied him into the stimulus pkg. It would have bullied him into Cap and Trade. It would have bullied him into Universal Health Care. On and on.

This would put Republicans on the spot to either accept or reject the proposals of their own president. If they reject his proposals he's a one term president who may still have passed all those bills with Democrat backing. If they back his proposals the Republican party gets tagged with all the stuff the Democrats are being tagged with now.

McCain would have been a lose/lose situation. I'm glad he lost. What we have to do is keep Republicans united against Obama's agenda and proposals while we wait for 2010 and 2012.

[gpd®]

Once again, Beck and his theology which espouses that Christians have replaced Jews for all of God's promises will come back to haunt him much like Romney and Huckabee.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

I like Mark Levin. I think he's probably the smartest of all the conservative talk show guys but I agree with Beck... to a certain extent.

When I heard Beck say that I took it to mean something similar to what Rush once said; [paraphrasing] "If we have to have a President who is going to destroy the country, I'd rather it be a Democrat than a Republican." Or something like that.

I think McCain would've been worse simply because he probably would have continued us down the same path that Bush led us on that got us into this mess to begin with and a conservative would never have a chance as a Republican ever again... that is unless he croaked and Palin took his place.

It's like Ann Coulter was saying when she was going to vote for Hillary vs. McCain... with McCain, it would have been like Bush 41 and then we'd have 8+ years of democrat. With Obama acting like Carter II.0 we may lock up 12+ years of solid conservative leadership.

Now if we can just find someone... Sarah? Bobby?

[ValricoKate]

<snip>
I didn't vote for McCain in the primary, I believe he was wrong for the country and wrong for the party. But during the general election I held my nose and voted for McCain.

I wrote McCain in ...I couldn't vote for him without making some kind of statement.

[aep1974]

I'm not 100% familiar with Mark Levin's show, but after hearing him at Hannity's Freedom Concert in August, I'd have to say Glenn Beck. I am more and more becoming the person that will stand for the founding principles of this country and rail against anyone who seeks to destroy that....regardless of political party. Without violating the TOS, I have to say that to my taste, Levin is still a bit too partisan for me at times (he was very partisan at the Freedom Concert) and I've moved beyond that.

I was listening to Beck this morning and his colleagues took him to task for what he said. I understand why he said it, but he could have said it in a much better way. He could have explained that he thinks McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama, but not make a hard and fast statement that McCain would have been worse than Obama. In one sense, many of the hyper-partisan folks would have just sit back and tuned out for 4 years if McCain had been elected. What that would have left us with is folks like us on this forum, who are involved in and like discussing politics, and the fringe elements of both sides that never seem to be happy. That would not have been good for this country at all.

The fact that many people - including many who voted for Obama on November 4 - are speaking up and feeling disenfranchised is a good thing. It means that with any luck, people are finally beginning to realize that you can't just go to the polling booth every four years, cast your vote, and then sit back in your armchair and ignore what happens next. Will there be those hyper-partisan folks out there who will go back to ignoring their elected officials once someone in "their" party gets back in power? Sure. But I honestly don't believe that that mentality makes up the majority of angry and upset folks these days.

In this sense, McCain would have been worse for the country than Obama. Unfortunately, I don't know if I'm willing to stand for all the ancillary crap we're going to get by suffering through Obama so that America can have it's moment of enlightenment.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

Once again, Beck and his theology which espouses that Christians have replaced Jews for all of God's promises will come back to haunt him much like Romney and Huckabee.

Beck is like Romney, not Huckabee. They are Mormon.

Huckabee is a Christian.

And in truth, Christianity teaches that God's People are now those that accept Christ as savior -- whether they be Jew or Gentile. But being Jew by birth has no salvation power.

[Ninjacorpse]

I like Mark Levin. I think he's probably the smartest of all the conservative talk show guys but I agree with Beck... to a certain extent.

When I heard Beck say that I took it to mean something similar to what Rush once said; [paraphrasing] "If we have to have a President who is going to destroy the country, I'd rather it be a Democrat than a Republican." Or something like that.

I think McCain would've been worse simply because he probably would have continued us down the same path that Bush led us on that got us into this mess to begin with and a conservative would never have a chance as a Republican ever again... that is unless he croaked of old age and Palin took his place.

He would have reached across the aisle in the interest of "bipartisanship" I imagine their would have been a few token concessions on the dems part but mccain would have felt the need to work with them.

[ValricoKate]

He would have reached across the aisle in the interest of "bipartisanship" I imagine their would have been a few token concessions on the dems part but mccain would have felt the need to work with them.

The NYT would only have had to scold him publicly and he would have seen the "errors" of his ways.

[Residential Bob]

I'm not 100% familiar with Mark Levin's show, but after hearing him at Hannity's Freedom Concert in August, I'd have to say Glenn Beck. I am more and more becoming the person that will stand for the founding principles of this country and rail against anyone who seeks to destroy that....regardless of political party. Without violating the TOS, I have to say that to my taste, Levin is still a bit too partisan for me at times (he was very partisan at the Freedom Concert) and I've moved beyond that.Levin's partisanship is in line with our founding principles.

[gpd®]

Beck is like Romney, not Huckabee. They are Mormon.

Huckabee is a Christian.

And in truth, Christianity teaches that God's People are now those that accept Christ as savior -- whether they be Jew or Gentile. But being Jew by birth has no salvation power.

Huckabee is Baptist. Both believe in "replacement theology." Levin has talked about it dozens of times. I listen to his show religiously, no pun intended.

Come to the RF and post that comment and see how the orthodoxy feels.

[johnrocks]

This is how I think...

The Country was and is in a mess so the Country made a choice of Obama, I think many held their nose and pulled his lever just like many held their nose with McCain.

Now the long term ramifications.....

Obama has taken a government already out of control and put it on warp speed, I think we'll see Democrats losing a few numbers in 2010 and I am thinking Obama could be a one termer IF the GOP nominates someone that doesn't carry the stench of Bush, McCain or the bad fiscal decisions of the GOP or the GOP person may even win because of the "lesser of evil" scenario coming back into play.


Had McCain won, that would have been the FACE of conservatism just like liberals call Bush a (sic) conservative, I actually believe with all my heart, had he won, the GOP would have lost even more numbers in Congress in 2010 and he would be a one termer and then Obama or whoever would have had a super majority in 2013 and beyond.

[Iggy]

He would have reached across the aisle in the interest of "bipartisanship" I imagine their would have been a few token concessions on the dems part but mccain would have felt the need to work with them.

Bush tried that with his "new tone", signing every bit of pork and entitlement that came across his desk, and got 8 years of vitriol spewed at him. It would've been no different for McCain.

[Mustang JEB]

I prefer Glenn, and agree with alot of what he has to say.

I agree with Rush much more than any other talk show host though.

[Residential Bob]

Had McCain won, that would have been the FACE of conservatism just like liberals call Bush a (sic) conservative,That's what I was trying to say earlier.

[johnrocks]

Levin's partisanship is in line with our founding principles.

:silenced:

[byzantine catholic]

This is how I think...

The Country was and is in a mess so the Country made a choice of Obama, I think many held their nose and pulled his lever just like many held their nose with McCain.

Now the long term ramifications.....

Obama has taken a government already out of control and put it on warp speed, I think we'll see Democrats losing a few numbers in 2010 and I am thinking Obama could be a one termer IF the GOP nominates someone that doesn't carry the stench of Bush, McCain or the bad fiscal decisions of the GOP or the GOP person may even win because of the "lesser of evil" scenario coming back into play.


Had McCain won, that would have been the FACE of conservatism just like liberals call Bush a (sic) conservative, I actually believe with all my heart, had he won, the GOP would have lost even more numbers in Congress in 2010 and he would be a one termer and then Obama or whoever would have had a super majority in 2013 and beyond.I agree at least with Obama the Repubs are go back to the conservative principles. With McCain they would have kissed his feet to make him like them.

[gpd®]

levin's partisanship is in line with our founding principles.

+1

[Iggy]

Levin's partisanship is in line with our founding principles.
If Republicans lived by the principles they claim I might agree with you.

[7ranz]

Levin's accusations are far more serious than just the McCain point. In his second commentary concerning Ron Paul and Beck's 'embrace' of him Levin suggests that Beck may not even be a conservative. That there is 'positioning' and 'pandering'.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

Huckabee is Baptist. Both believe in "replacement theology." Levin has talked about it dozens of times. I listen to his show religiously, no pun intended.

Come to the RF and post that comment and see how the orthodoxy feels.

I did not realize Mormonism shared that belief with Christianity.

[Residential Bob]

If Republicans lived by the principles they claim I might agree with you.I'm not sure if Levin's a Republican or not. Very simply, though, his partisanship is in line with our founding principles. That is, if we're calling it partisanship. Let me just say, his beliefs.

[Jabbamagnus]

Just a friendly warning to people. Don't trash Levin, he's got "Friend Of" status on the forums here. Not that anyone is, though I feel a great restraint from at least one poster. :))

I like both Levin and Beck. After thinking about Beck's comments and putting them more into context of what I know of Beck as far as his beliefs.

I for the most part I agree with Beck on this one.

McCain would have continued a lot of the Bush mistakes and added even more to the pile, while touting Conservatism. Thus causing great harm to conservative causes.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

I'm not sure if Levin's a Republican or not. Very simply, though, his partisanship is in line with our founding principles. That is, if we're calling it partisanship. Let me just say, his beliefs.

I believe the word is "Ideology" :)

And he appears to be a conservative, not a Statist (Liberal)

[Iggy]

I believe the word is "Ideology" :)

And he appears to be a conservative, not a Statist (Liberal)

Okay, now those posts make sense. "Partisanship" is something totally different. :cool:

[johnrocks]

I'm not sure if Levin's a Republican or not. Very simply, though, his partisanship is in line with our founding principles. That is, if we're calling it partisanship. Let me just say, his beliefs.

His foreign policy is not in line with our founding principles , intervention may have been used at times but their philosophy was certainly not interventionist like Levin.

[nebcon]

Levin is right. McCain's ideas and policies would not have been as damaging to the American ideal as Obama's are. McCain may be liberal, but he's not as liberal as Obama.

On the other hand, I wonder what the country's perception of republicanism and the Republican Party would have been had McCain been elected president. Conservatives may know better, but the country as a whole might have thought a McCain administration was steering the country in the direction that the founding fathers had intended. That the country was intended to be centrist.

I think Beck is right, and for several reasons.

One, McCain can't be trusted, he's shown that he cannot be. It was much more likely that what policies he used to show himself to be a conservative was solely intended to garner votes, not show how he would govern.

Two, He would have still had the same Democrats in Congress and his desire to "reach across the isle" may have known no bounds. What is worse, is that many Republican lawmakers would follow his lead because he's their president, and lend more support to Democrat policies than they do currently. Democrats would have all the vote cover they needed, that they do not have currently to validate whatever was passed.

Three. This isn't just about policy but putting a final nail in the coffin of the party that is supposed to be the stardard bearer for the right. At least now there is a slight chance of turning the ideology of the party around. Validating McCain would have driven a stake in the entire situation.

These are all things that some of us were saying before the election.

[horse28]

Levin.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

Okay, now those posts make sense. "Partisanship" is something totally different. :cool:

Yep!

I'm a conservative. That most fits (right now) with the GOP, but I'm not beholden to the GOP.

[JeffR]

Definitely Beck.


Interestingly, I listen to Levin more. His show is easier for me to catch then Beck's.

[Hank]

Personally I like both of them...Mark speaks the truth and he is sincere in his actions...

One reason I tend to watch Beck, is because he brings the goods to the table. He takes time to put the pieces in order, and he takes time to explain his thinking...

I can't say how much I personally appreciate all of the conservative hosts...

Honestly there are times that I don't agree with everything they say, but without these guys Like Hannity, Levin, Beck..and yes even Rush and Savage...we wouldn't have any other points of view except what the Main stream biased controlled media would allow us...

[bloods vs crips]

No one should take anyone seriously that calls Obama a Marxist every 10 words.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

No one should take anyone seriously that calls Obama a Marxist every 10 words.

Typical Liberal statement: "Those who speak the truth should not be taken seriously"

Thanks for playing.

[mckeehn]

I think Mark is not buying into the premise that Glenn is using to arrive at that opinion, and while that is difference of opinion, which is great, for Mark to say that Glenn's POV is mindless is a bit short sighted. Glenn's basic premise in support of his opinion is that IF McCain had been elected, the conservative majority of the country would have remained inactive and we would just continue our SLOW slide into socialism that started to pick up again after the Reagan years. Glenn is thinking the sudden jerk toward socialism that Obama has given the US, woke up US conservatism while it was still strong enough of a majority to actually do something. And looking at the polls on single payer HC, in the 50's opposed, I see an uncomfortably narrow margin against soft tyranny. A few more years of silence and we might not have been able to achieve that. So whether you think he's right or not you have to admit SOME merit in the argument. If not it is you whom I would say is mindless.

On a possibly related note, I get the vibe from Mark that he doesn't approve of the way that Glenn presents his shows in his excitable, grandiose, over the top style. I would hypothesize that is playing a factor in all of this. But between, Mark, Rush, Sean and Glenn you have the heavy hitters of conservative pundits. I WISH REALLY HARD, REALLY REALLY HARD, that if any of those four have disagreements with each other that they solve them OFF THE AIR, and not call names ON THE AIR; Just to prevent discord in a community that desperately needs unity (a community which is also coincidentally known for fierce individuality and strong opinions) in order to oppose the threat of tyranny.

[VCaddy05]

Typical Liberal statement: "Those who speak the truth should not be taken seriously"

Thanks for playing.

hes really not that liberal

[bloods vs crips]

Typical Liberal statement: "Those who speak the truth should not be taken seriously"

Thanks for playing.

Those who speak "that" don't know the truth. Obama is a classic corporatist, and real Socialists laugh at the idea that a D/R nominee is a Marxist.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

hes really not that liberal

Based on his previous statement and his "states are not soveriegn" malarky, he seems like one.

[VCaddy05]

I think Mark is not buying into the premise that Glenn is using to arrive at that opinion, and while that is difference of opinion, which is great, for Mark to say that Glenn's POV is mindless is a bit short sighted. Glenn's basic premise in support of his opinion is that IF McCain had been elected, the conservative majority of the country would have remained inactive and we would just continue our SLOW slide into socialism that started to pick up again after the Reagan years. Glenn is thinking the sudden jerk toward socialism that Obama has given the US, woke up US conservatism while it was still strong enough of a majority to actually do something. And looking at the polls on single payer HC in the 50's opposed is uncomfortably narrow margin against soft tyranny. A few more years of silence and we might not have been able to achieve that. So whether you think he's right or not you have to admit SOME merit in the argument. If not it is you whom I would say is mindless.

On a possibly related note, I get the vibe from Mark that he doesn't approve of the way that Glenn presents his shows in his excitable, grandiose, over the top style. I would hypothesize that is playing a factor in all of this. But between, Mark, Rush, Sean and Glenn you have the heavy hitters of conservative pundits. I WISH REALLY HARD, REALLY REALLY HARD, that if any of those four have disagreements with each other that they solve them OFF THE AIR, and not call names ON THE AIR. Just to prevent discord in a community that desperately needs unity (a community which is also coincidentally known for fierce individuality and strong opinions) in order to oppose the threat of tyranny.

I kinda agree with beck there, but i think we have to wait and see how the next few years pan out. If we get conservative candidates, and can elect good conservative people, I will say that this was a good thing. However, i dont agree with barely anything that has been going on lately with congress, and the WH, so in that reguards i wish Mccain was in. Either way it would have been bad, but I think with obama in the WH we have a better chance of bringing back conservatism. IMO

[bloods vs crips]

Based on his previous statement and his "states are not soveriegn" malarky, he seems like one.

that's because you didn't dig deep enough. I never said states SHOULDN"T be sovereign, only that they aren't. This is why I cannot align with political parties, too much surface theory and not enough depth.

[bloods vs crips]

I kinda agree with beck there, but i think we have to wait and see how the next few years pan out. If we get conservative candidates, and can elect good conservative people, I will say that this was a good thing. However, i dont agree with barely anything that has been going on lately with congress, and the WH, so in that reguards i wish Mccain was in. Either way it would have been bad, but I think with obama in the WH we have a better chance of bringing back conservatism. IMO

which type of conservative? There are many and they don't get along.

[VCaddy05]

Based on his previous statement and his "states are not soveriegn" malarky, he seems like one.

well to tell all truths, Obama is not a Marxist, he aims some of his political views in that direction, same with socialism. I think Marxist is just used for effect more then accuracy, something i dont really see wrong. Hes pretty far left, and people in congress are even farther. However, bloods isnt like that, just look at his quoted sig not very marxist imo.

[Trip]

Levin reacted to a snippet of a interview that will be air in it's entirety tonight. I reserve my vote until I hear the complete interview.

Beck did comment on this quote early and mentioned that perhaps he should have said may be worse than stating he'd be worse. Beck take is that McCain is a progressive republican and is helping destroy the party and in turn the country.

I believe there was a comment today about if your driving off a cliff what difference does it make if you are going 100mph and 50mph, you are still driving off the cliff.

I didn't vote for McCain in the primary, I believe he was wrong for the country and wrong for the party. But during the general election I held my nose and voted for McCain.

Context is everything, eh?

Like you I voted for McCain and have resented having done so every day since the election, not that I would have voted for Obama. It's just that in choosing McCain the Republican party had no platform and stood for nothing except "I'm less of him (Obama)", which is no platform whatsoever.

Had McCain won then we'd be going for the cliff at 50 mph and the Republican party would have only slowed the country's demise.

In context, this isn't about choosing between Levine or Beck, but rather standing by the Constitution and our freedoms.

[bloods vs crips]

well to tell all truths, Obama is not a Marxist, he aims some of his political views in that direction, same with socialism. I think Marxist is just used for effect more then accuracy, something i dont really see wrong. Hes pretty far left, and people in congress are even farther. However, bloods isnt like that, just look at his quoted sig not very marxist imo.

It takes many people a long time to see the wide spectrum that is political thought. Most simply accept their views as left/right, and simply assume any argument must come from the other side. It's classic projection and is a logical fallacy. I'm really glad I spent a lot of time in college learning this, it helps when dealing with politics.

My views most closely align with Jefferson.

[SchwartzOne]

Mark Levin ...hands down. I've read Men in Black and Liberty versus Tyranny both excellent works.
Glen ...cries ...too much ...for a guy ('n maybe for a conservative gal)

[Ninjacorpse]

Well, you sure do whine like a liberal :razz:

[VCaddy05]

which type of conservative? There are many and they don't get along.

exactly my point! its in shambles, and everyone (even liberals) have their own interpretation of what a conservative is/or should be. To me, that limited govt, tighter spending restraint party that can cut through all the bs and reign in spending welfare get a clue on health care, things like that.

[Thanatos144]

I cant answer I dont know much about Levin

[bloods vs crips]

exactly my point! its in shambles, and everyone (even liberals) have their own interpretation of what a conservative is/or should be. To me, that limited govt, tighter spending restraint party that can cut through all the bs and reign in spending welfare get a clue on health care, things like that.

Most every person I know that claims the title Conservative, wants fiscal restraint unless it's military, and small government except in social laws. It's imposible to reconcile with a group that wants small military and liberal social laws, even if they also want fiscal restraint.

The byproduct of this mess is two parties that neither want fiscal restraint. Good luck getting either of them to deal with it.

[VCaddy05]

It takes many people a long time to see the wide spectrum that is political thought. Most simply accept their views as left/right, and simply assume any argument must come from the other side. It's classic projection and is a logical fallacy. I'm really glad I spent a lot of time in college learning this, it helps when dealing with politics.

My views most closely align with Jefferson.

Yup I can tell, I agree much, but not always. I always saw him as a real voice of LIMITED GOVT. IMO

[VCaddy05]

Most every person I know that claims the title Conservative, wants fiscal restraint unless it's military, and small government except in social laws. It's imposible to reconcile with a group that wants small military and liberal social laws, even if they also want fiscal restraint.

The byproduct of this mess is two parties that neither want fiscal restraint. Good luck getting either of them to deal with it.

Once again we agree, but even jefferson was ok with the military. He wasnt for cutting it down to nothing.
I try and stay out of social issues, to me thats a state issue. I would never vote based on social issues.

[fastfacts60]

Mark Levin ripped into Glenn Beck for his interview with Katie Coric when he said McCain would have been worse for the US than Obama.

I agree with Beck and at the same time I also disagree.

I agree that Obama is completely inept, a liar, and someone that is pushing our country towards fascism and so on and I really want him out but at the same time, most conservatives didn't want McCain. If McCain was our president, he wouldn't have been as bad in his judgments as Obama but it would not have sent a message to the Republicans saying, we need a Conservative to unite us. He would have been better for the country but worse for our party and had been another Bush.

At the same time Obama is who he is and we all know how horrible he is, just look at the headlines everyday about what he is doing to our country and our allies.. But, at the same time, I will thank him from the bottom of my heart for one big thing. He awoke the sleeping giant. He woke up the Conservatives and that is what help bring Reagan into power and we need another Reagan to help us fix this country.

[nebcon]

I'll put it this way, cap and trade would have taken 20 minutes to pass and sign. Why 20 minutes? Because of the following exchange.

McCain: Let's make it voluntary.
Reid/Pelosi: No!
McCain: Oh come on guys!
Reid/Pelosi: No way.
McCain: ohhhh ok

pass....sign... done

[nanajan]

No one should take anyone seriously that calls Obama a Marxist every 10 words.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it is a duck.
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As to Levin or Beck. I love to listen to them both, despite they religious leanings. A persons theology does not enter into the debate unless they are debating religion.


Levin is probably one of the smartest guys there is when it comes to the constitution, however he is a very dry speaker. Beck is learning what Levin already knows but his presentation is much more coloring. I loves Becks antics. Of course no one can hold a candle to Rush.

I don't think Levin should be bashing Beck, they both should focus on BO and the liberals in congress.

As to McCain, I held my nose to vote for his in the general election but did not vote for him in the primary. The lesser of two evils so to speak. He is not a conservative and I am first and foremost a conservative. Carter brought us Reagan, maybe BO will bring us another great president.

Beck has said he leans more libertarian. It doesn't matter to me which way any of them are leaning as long they opposes this present administration's policies and loudly proclaim it.

[ballen2221]

Although I do like both I would have to go for Beck. He tends to cover different angles on subjects, while Levin can be extremely repetitive from show to show. I can take a few days break from Levin, which I do often, and when I tune in again he is yelling about the same thing as the last time I listened.

Mark is most non-repetitive when bashing another talk radio or TV host, which is when Levin is at his worst. I simply do not see how trying to divide an already fragmented conservative base helps our cause in the least. I believe the target should consistently be the Obama regime and their march toward socialism, not the "backbencher" of the day commentary.

[nanajan]

well to tell all truths, Obama is not a Marxist, he aims some of his political views in that direction, same with socialism. I think Marxist is just used for effect more then accuracy, something i dont really see wrong. Hes pretty far left, and people in congress are even farther. However, bloods isnt like that, just look at his quoted sig not very marxist imo.

Marxism, socialism, communism, are all nuts from the same tree. Marx was a communist.

[VCaddy05]

Marxism, socialism, communism, are all nuts from the same tree. Marx was a communist.

in ways yes, they all incorporate massive govt intervention. All bad for free markets and capitalism too.

[RomaBoy]

It depends on how you look at it. In the short term, of course Obama is worse. But if McCain had been elected, then he would have been worse in the long term. McCain is a more liberal version of Bush. McCain would have done almost as bad as Obama, but would have alienated the Conservatives due to his actions, and the Liberals due to his affiliations and only the middle would have supported him. He would have been a 'Republican' Carter.

[PaleoPaul]

Glenn Beck is right.

I mean, this Administration could actually be a WAKE UP CALL for those who are in slumber.

I remember 2 years ago, people were saying "Ron Paul is a kook" or "Libertarians are pot-smoking, prostitute lovin', queer enablers" or "They're dangerous!" Now, people are having more esteem for liberty candidates, and are having second thoughts about how they vote.

If McCain were President...I don't think this would be happening.

[gpd®]

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it is a duck.
------------


Obama is not even good at being a marxist.

[gpd®]

When I used to watch Glenn Beck on Headline News, I seriously thought that it was a satirical program about Bill O'Reilly.

[bloods vs crips]

Marxism, socialism, communism, are all nuts from the same tree. Marx was a communist.

There is practically nothing that Obama does that Marx would agree with.

[gpd®]

There is practically nothing that Obama does that Marx would agree with.

see: http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61442681&postcount=74

[buge]

how true brother Rush

[buge]

true brotherRush

[Thanatos144]

Seems like another send republicans a message thread.

[CuriousDan]

Seems Beck is a little threatening to those SUPPOSED "conservative first, Republican second" types like Mr Levin. Getting too "uppity"...or just too powerful (given his popularity espeically with the Tea Partyers) and not attacking the Democrats alone and giving the Repubs a pass "as he should"???

Perhaps Glenn is tapping into something that Republican apologists don't ...or can't?

Or he'll back down eventually (thus proving he's a phoney) as soon as the 2010 GOP Congressional Primaries are over next summer...and he and Mark will kiss and make up.

Regardless...it's a beautiful thing to see.

[aep1974]

Just a friendly warning to people. Don't trash Levin, he's got "Friend Of" status on the forums here. Not that anyone is, though I feel a great restraint from at least one poster. :))

I like both Levin and Beck. After thinking about Beck's comments and putting them more into context of what I know of Beck as far as his beliefs.

I for the most part I agree with Beck on this one.

McCain would have continued a lot of the Bush mistakes and added even more to the pile, while touting Conservatism. Thus causing great harm to conservative causes.

I'm not going to get into any TOS violations here, because I like Sean and Rush, and don't really have much to comment on regarding Levin since I don't listen to him. But I do have a question: why doesn't Sean ever mention Beck when he is reciting the laundry list of talk radio folks? It's like he's purposely omitting him. Why?!

[chamshari]

I like em both , but I am getting very turned off by the constant attacks from Mark . Mark is a brilliant man but sometimes I am wondering if I tuned into a liberal station when the attacks start.
There is way to many battles to be taken on than the one of taking on someone who has the same end goal and love of country as you!!
Glen has been instrumental in helping people get out of their living room we they were just screaming at the TV, he has been digging up info (that some appear to guard their careers from) on who surrounds the President, and all at great risk to himself and those around him, yet he carry's on.
If we all sat back in our living room screaming at the TV making some phone calls to DC and waited till the 2010 elections where acorn would have fixed em anyhow. tell me where would we be.
So both play an important role in these times that are horrific for USA. So Please stop the juvenile (liberal) attacks!!!:flag:and work together:naughty: on spreading the info ect..

[TakeBackGOP]

Why are we not out rallying people to get out and vote for Republicans in the thousands of local elections this fall? We MUST reform EVERY level of government and we are out of time-wasting time!

My organization, Take Back The Republican Party (www.TakeBackTheRepublicanParty.com) has created a contract for candidates to sign. If they sign they are WITH the American people, if not, they are against us.

The document calls for their signature and a pledge to:
1. Lower Taxes
2. Shrink Government
3. Promote Free Enterprise
4. Uphold and Defend the Constitution
5. Promote and Protect Individual Liberty and Personal Freedom

And, it requires that any new expenditure be offset by a reduction of equal or greater amount in some other area.

If you would like a copy to put in front of your local/state/national candidates please e-mail me membership@takebacktherepublicanparty.com

Together, and with the right candidates - REAL Republicans - we can fix our party and our country from the grass roots out.

[fastfacts60]

Glenn devoted a part of this show to explain his theory about why McCain was worse, if you haven't seen it, you should. Basically he said, McCain would have slowly broughten us down to socialism and yet we would never have realized that his agenda would have been doing that. On the other hand Obama's rocket to Socialism has open all of our eyes and waken a sleeping Giant. So President Obama, thank you for awakening us. Now lets go out and make a difference.

[thecannonreport]

Although I LOVE both, I had to vote for Beck for one simple reason...He's more entertaining. If I listened to the radio to be educated, Levin would win hands down. I've learned more from Levin than I did during my entire 4 years in college...and I have my degree in public policy.

I just happen to really respect Beck for his realism on radio and TV.

[Elway]

If Mark had a TV show, he'd slaughter Beck.

[msny]

I started listening to Mark about 3months ago.

He connects the dots, takes no prisoners, and supports
everything he states.

I like his attitude, and I find myself 99.9% in agreement.
With Beck, its more like 90% and I dont like the tangents
he goes on sometimes.

YMMV...

[mythhycca1]

I love, Beck, Hannity and Levin! Without all of them fighting for freedom we would be a lot worse off! It's not the time to start fighting each other, we all need to understand sometimes we agree to disagree on some issues, but for the majority of issues, Beck, Hannity, Levin all do agree. We watch this Congress look like a bunch of second graders attacking each other with infantile name calling instead of dealing with issues. So Beck thinks Mccain would have been bad and Levin disagrees...it's all water under the bridge...Mccain lost, over done with. Levin ridiculing Beck for his opinion, is congress like infantality. The outcome of what would have been has no merit. It's only an opinion. We have more important things..priorities that are happening now. It's like going to rally for Olympic games while pushing aside a lot of our guys dying Afghanistan. So it's time everybody grow up, stop worrying about what would have been and start worrying about what will be

[PhantomPholly]

McCain would have perpetuated the status quo. Obama is polarizing the country into the realization that we have been going down hill for a long time, and it is time to re-take our country before it collapses.

Glen Beck was 100% correct in his statement - taking a page from the Libs' book, it is taking a REAL crisis to wake America up to the fact that we don't have much time left to save our country.

[DETERMINED]

I agree I love both of them and they both love this country and I never really heard either one say anything really bad about one another at least not by name but lik Rush said the goal for all of them is to wake up the people and save our beloved Nation and the Constitution.If we all agreed on everything we would be as boring as the libs. I believe Glenn is sincere and Mark and Sean and Rush and the others.I don't agree always with Neil Boortz but I like him because he doesn't play.Now I'm a smoker and I know he rips us but hey that is his opinion I don't take it personally.Maybe he drinks I don't I think that is stupid and when they drive after drinking I really have no respect for them but that is my opinon on drinking now I don't know if Neil does and I don't care that is his business but if I found out he did and in moderation I wouldn't hate him or say anything bad he is right about the smoking but I still smoke one of my bad habits that only I can do something about.But I still love ya Neil your a good man and I have alot of respect for you despite our disagreements see how easy that is to be adults. FAIR TAX I'm with you.Thanks for all the great posts here it's nice to see peole able to talk to one another with out hate and foul language.GOD does answer prayers.

[rockywhite]

i agree with glenn!

[Fina Biscotti]

I am usually in the car when Mark Levin's show is on - I laugh out loud at what he says and how he says it - and pay attention to his serious stuff. My father was a Marine - so I like it when Levin plays the music for our armed forces - and talks about what sacrifices that our troops made to keep our FREEDOMS alive. To my knowledge, Mark Levin was the first to call obama out - "for his pro-Marxist propoganda crap". I was happy about it - finally - in your face action. Although I am a safe driver, I almost wrecked the car one night when Mark Levin made fun of Obama and his deranged, out-dated Kenyan policies. With Glenn Beck, I watch his tv show - afternoon and the repeat in the middle of the night - and take notes - to learn and to get my talking points together. I only had the opportunity to listen to his radio show just a couple of times. Between the two I cannot decide to vote for one - because both Mark Levin and Glenn Beck are true Patriots.

[SweetApples]

who does obama thinks he is? i mean does he really think everyone is too dumb to see through his marxist intentions. the people who voted for him are lost souls. he has them duped

[Patriot_Catholic]

who does obama thinks he is? i mean does he really think everyone is too dumb to see through his marxist intentions. the people who voted for him are lost souls. he has them duped


Former first lady Laura Bush said that Pres. Obama is doing a great job considering what he has on his plate to deal with. Jeb Bush said Pres. Obama is on the right track specially with his plans on education. Former pres. secretary Scott Mc Clellan, Susan Eisenhower (granddaughter of Pres. Eisenhower and president of Eisenhower Group) and Rita Hauser (Former White House Intelligence Advisor to Pres. George W. Bush) among others are giving Obama thumbs up on his performance or have voted for him.

Check out : http:www//republicansforobama.org

I would give them more credence than your right wing talk show host. Do your research. Be educated. Just the facts...Its in the bible : thou shall not lie and thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. No matter how small you are accountable for it to God come judgement time....Is your heart clean or are you blinded by the facts ?

[nikoloslvy]

Former first lady Laura Bush said that Pres. Obama is doing a great job considering what he has on his plate to deal with. Jeb Bush said Pres. Obama is on the right track specially with his plans on education. Former pres. secretary Scott Mc Clellan, Susan Eisenhower (granddaughter of Pres. Eisenhower and president of Eisenhower Group) and Rita Hauser (Former White House Intelligence Advisor to Pres. George W. Bush) among others are giving Obama thumbs up on his performance or have voted for him.

Check out : http:www//republicansforobama.org

I would give them more credence than your right wing talk show host. Do your research. Be educated. Just the facts...Its in the bible : thou shall not lie and thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. No matter how small you are accountable for it to God come judgement time....Is your heart clean or are you blinded by the facts ?

HERE IS A NOVEL IDEA......STATE YOUR CASE FOR OBAMACARE

......NO?

why must you avoid the issue? why must you play games? "well blah blah blah thinks....." I DON'T CARE!


fact is healthcare could be passed just on the dem numbers.they have the house and senate.FACT is the dems cant because they know that the people don't want it.WHY DON'T YOU ASK THE DEMS TO PASS IT SINCE THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS? why don't you do that for me? instead of sighting non relevant old horse republicans and avoiding the issues tell your dem leftists to pass it.

lets take a look at the vast list on that site (written by the way from a guy who says of General McChrystal:
Now that General McChrystal has publicly undermined the President, it's time to start asking where his loyalties lie).

oh wow. those people are really relevant in the Republican party.the country must be all for obama.the town hall and tea parties mean nothing.

you site Scott McClellan? the guy who wrote What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington's Culture of Deception? yeah that guys credible.

chuck hagel? chuck blanking hagel?

On its website The Times reported that the Senator was a possible candidate for the cabinet position of United States Secretary of Defense in the Barack Obama administration:

Obama is hoping to appoint cross-party figures to his cabinet such as Chuck Hagel, the Republican senator for Nebraska and an opponent of the Iraq war Senior advisers confirmed that Hagel, a highly decorated Vietnam war veteran and one of McCain’s closest friends in the Senate, was considered an ideal candidate for defense secretary.

Senator Obama was quoted in the same article, when asked about Hagel as a potential cabinet member: "Chuck Hagel is a great friend of mine and I respect him very much."

Hagel was rumored to be a possible Obama pick for the Vice Presidential candidacy in his 2008 presidential election ticket. On June 20, 2008, Hagel said he would consider running with Obama if offered the VP spot.

He had also been mentioned as a potential United States Secretary of Defense to succeed incumbent Robert Gates in the Obama administration and said that he would consider serving if asked.

On immigration, Senator Hagel supports a "pathway to citizenship" and a "guest worker program" for undocumented immigrants.[citation needed] On May 25, 2006 he voted for S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006, which passed the Senate before reaching a stalemate in the House in late 2006. On June 26, 2007, Hagel joined with Senator Ted Kennedy to support the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007

In July 2007, Hagel was one of three Republican Senators who supported the legislation proposed by Democrats to require a troop withdrawal to begin within 120 days.

According to a SurveyUSA poll, Hagel has a 10% higher approval rating among Nebraska Democrats than Republicans.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/Poll...8-82343c79d696



tommy thompson?

Thompson left the Bush administration in 2005 and established his presidential exploratory committee in December to raise money and gauge support. Since then, he has lagged behind better-known rivals, like former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

nice.


Arnold Schwarzenegger????? wat about arnold is conservitive? name one thing? big govermint big spending my states going down the crapper arnold.hes the voice of the modern republicn party.


Louis Sullivan:

From 1989 through 1993, Dr. Sullivan was Secretary of Health and Human Services for President George H. W. Bush. In that position, he helped create President Bush's proposal for healthcare reform in the United States.

Beginning June 27, 2007, Dr. Sullivan embarked a nationwide campaign to discuss the consequences of "cost-over-care" health delivery. As one of the nation's leading public health policy experts, Dr. Sullivan advocates a "symphony of health care delivery," where each aspect of a given health plan is transparent and fully appreciated. He seeks to amend the current over-emphasis on one service area, such as cost, and create a symphonic system that focuses on other key elements.

wow thats a strech.i cant belive hes for state run health care.i would have never seen it comming.


ok then you got bob dole and first.thats 2 and they dont even make any sense.


i could care less what promininet republicans think about obama.IM TELLING YOU HES DOING A HORRIBILE JOB.I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK.AM I ALLOWED TO DO THAT? YOU THINK I GIVE TWO ****S ABOUT WHAT THESE PEOPLE TELL ME IM SUPPOSED TO THINK?

[nikoloslvy]

for the record i am so uncomfortable with all these 1 posters showing up in any beck thread.

[nikoloslvy]

Former first lady Laura Bush said that Pres. Obama is doing a great job considering what he has on his plate to deal with. Jeb Bush said Pres. Obama is on the right track specially with his plans on education. Former pres. secretary Scott Mc Clellan, Susan Eisenhower (granddaughter of Pres. Eisenhower and president of Eisenhower Group) and Rita Hauser (Former White House Intelligence Advisor to Pres. George W. Bush) among others are giving Obama thumbs up on his performance or have voted for him.

Check out : http:www//republicansforobama.org

I would give them more credence than your right wing talk show host. Do your research. Be educated. Just the facts...Its in the bible : thou shall not lie and thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor. No matter how small you are accountable for it to God come judgement time....Is your heart clean or are you blinded by the facts ?

let me guess 4posterandrunguy i should concern myself with snow as well ehh?

[chamshari]

I completely agree, there are enough issues that are horrendous in this administration. There should be none of this elementary crap. Mark I like you ,your intelligent, but this constant attack on the am back bench'r n 5 pm'r is getting beyond infantile, especially when we have all these socialist destroying our country, we need unity to beat this, and I also notice Sean wont utter Glenns name. You all bring a lot to us, Glenn isn’t a backbencher, and he has gone way out on a limb outing a lot more while some are holding back for whatever reason. It would do us all good if the info went out to all your audiences instead of worrying about who said what first. Reaching the people is what Matters!!!

[brody]

I prefer Levin.

In the past couple of days I also realized that I prefer Judge Nepalitano.

EDIT: And don't even get me started on them "AM back-benchers".

[Stuball]

Why are we not out rallying people to get out and vote for Republicans in the thousands of local elections this fall? We MUST reform EVERY level of government and we are out of time-wasting time!

My organization, Take Back The Republican Party (www.TakeBackTheRepublicanParty.com) has created a contract for candidates to sign. If they sign they are WITH the American people, if not, they are against us.

The document calls for their signature and a pledge to:
1. Lower Taxes
2. Shrink Government
3. Promote Free Enterprise
4. Uphold and Defend the Constitution
5. Promote and Protect Individual Liberty and Personal Freedom

And, it requires that any new expenditure be offset by a reduction of equal or greater amount in some other area.

If you would like a copy to put in front of your local/state/national candidates please e-mail me membership@takebacktherepublicanparty.com

Together, and with the right candidates - REAL Republicans - we can fix our party and our country from the grass roots out.
Who the hell are you to decide who is with or not with the American People?

[marlio]

I enjoy both mark levin and glen beck and learn informative history, etc, from both, so It was really difficult to choose between the two. Both are passionate but mark levin sounds like me! He just gets down on the floor sometimes and is loud at times!!!