Rush: 'We Need Segregated Buses'

[SamLarson]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

[AvgGuyIA]

Funny, I think 80% of Liberals are out and out racists or sublimate by simply showing outright hatred of conservatives - since that is socially more acceptable than showing their true colors.

[bitterclingerincalif]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

Why are we humans so literal? I mean, I read stuff on other boards and can't tell if people are kidding or are serious. I heard Rush say this and other things on open line Friday and clearly he was pulling chains of the libs listening. He even asked on air which of his statements that day would be taken apart and criticized on all the liberal blogs.

Rush does have his shock jock moments, most of the time though I can rely on him to tell me the truth about what's happening in this country. He sometimes exaggerates to make his points much clearer.

Did media matters say Limbaugh wanted bus segregation to protect the black kids from the chidings of the one white kid?

[Justus]

Knowing rush he's probably joking. And knowing "media" "matters" they took him out of context, they always have in the past. I don't care either way, he doesn't represent me.

On the topic of media matters.

It must be nice having a tax exempt (so I've heard) organization completely devoted to listening to right wingers all day and night to see if they "slip up". What a joke. I'm sure media matters just missed montel williams on his radio show suggesting that michelle bachman should slit her throat.

[Shawna]

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?


Agree with what?

Do you think Rush believes we should have segregated school buses?

[grapabeaux]

How scrambled in the head do the Media Matters staff have to be to read that transcript the way they did? George Soros should ask for a refund of his money.

[Ballygrl]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

OMG! Libs, get a sense of humor! I heard him talk about this when he was doing his broadcast and he was being

SARCASTIC!

:rolleyes:

[Ballygrl]

Knowing rush he's probably joking. And knowing "media" "matters" they took him out of context, they always have in the past. I don't care either way, he doesn't represent me.

On the topic of media matters.

It must be nice having a tax exempt (so I've heard) organization completely devoted to listening to right wingers all day and night to see if they "slip up". What a joke. I'm sure media matters just missed montel williams on his radio show suggesting that michelle bachman should slit her throat.

He was joking when he said it.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

Completely valid analogy. Liberals cannot have it both ways.

They want to claim homosexuality is inborn and acceptable. Therefore ALL things inborn have to be acceptably per liberal illogic.

[The Duke]

Funny, I think 80% of Liberals are out and out racists or sublimate by simply showing outright hatred of conservatives - since that is socially more acceptable than showing their true colors.

Not racists, just bigots. They'll hate anyone with a non socialist idealogy no matter what color they are. "FREE SPEECH FOR ALL......AS LONG AS YOU AGREE WITH ME!" Thats the lib line.

[TerriC]

Have liberals been born without a sarcasm gene? If you dont listen to Rush regularly, you dont understand the way he works. He was being sarcastic throughout that entire set! He was saying "we need segregated buses" because the beating of the white boy by the black boys showed that they didnt want white kids on their bus. Based on that incident. If you dont get the way he works, dont bother listening or trying to get it.

[captusa]

Agree with what?

Do you think Rush believes we should have segregated school buses?

It sounds like Rush's style of satire.
It is often misinterpeted because most satire is humorous.

[WildRose]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?Funny how you missed the entire point, and lead up to his rant.

... ."we know it's racist because Newsweek's cover story this week was about studies showing people are born racist." You and the quoted author are doing a very dishonest and disingenuous representation of what Rush said and WHY.

It is his method of demonstrating the absurdity of the racism charges, by being absurd with his examples.

Nice try but that duck don't fly. Not here at least. You'll have to find a much more gullible audience somewhere else.

[Ballygrl]

Have liberals been born without a sarcasm gene? If you dont listen to Rush regularly, you dont understand the way he works. He was being sarcastic throughout that entire set! He was saying "we need segregated buses" because the beating of the white boy by the black boys showed that they didnt want white kids on their bus. Based on that incident. If you dont get the way he works, dont bother listening or trying to get it.

I find the far left the most angry, devoid of humor people on earth.

[The Duke]

Anyone who took him literaly on that is too stupid too listen to educated people talk.

[bitterclingerincalif]

Rush has said you have to listen to him everyday for six weeks to really get his show.

[CaptainPike]

Media Matters' objective is to take statements from conservatives out of context.

[BigfootWRL]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

When I troll, I try to catch something worth eating. ;)

[Ballygrl]

OP, here's the transcript of Rush's show on Friday:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091809/content/01125112.guest.html

Liberals Twist Sarcastic Rush Riff Into a Call for Segregated Buses!

BTW, Rush went back into his archives and discussed this :)) thing that happened. I remember this incident too. :))

RUSH: So I'm doing a total parodic rant. I mean, the sarcasm is dripping -- And this bottom feeder at the Southern Poverty Law Center, Mark Potok, is putting it out there that I made a call for segregated buses. you know what this is like? Some of you people new to the show may not have ever heard this story. Cookie, go to the archives and grab Patsy Schroeder. Back in mid-nineties I was asked to go make a speech on a Sunday afternoon at GOPAC in Washington. I was very upset because there was a big football game that day. The 49ers and Cowboys were playing, but I'd agreed to do this thing. So I was not in the best of humor, not in the best mood.

And at that time we were in the middle of the budget debate, the school lunch cuts and the Democrats were calling around saying that Republicans were engaging in their usual stuff of cutting Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and they run around saying that food stamps and senior citizens were soon going to have to make the choice of eating dog food and being able to buy medicine or eating real food and not buying medicine. So all this is banging around Washington the whole week before I get there. So I open up the speech by thanking the GOPAC people for inviting me. "It's really great to be here and, I'll tell you what, I'm so happy the Democrats are doing what they're doing because I have heard them and I want you people to know: I love my mother and I love old people.

"And since the Democrats have told me what's going to happen, what I have done is I went out and I bought my mom a new can opener so that she can get the dog food easier when she has to eat it," and the place busted up laughing. Well, now, this was televised on C-SPAN. Pat Schroeder went to the floor of the House the next day and said, "This is what it's come to! This is it! Rush Limbaugh actually said he's going to buy his mother a can opener so she can have dog food. Wow!" I could not believe it. These people are humorless. This guy Potok, in addition to being ugly, has no humor whatsoever. How could you listen to that bite and not get the sarcasm? On purpose. You have to purposely miss my whole point in order to put that rotgut stuff out there. And now you've got all worked up that I call for segregated buses. It's spreading around the Internet. I know. Snerdley showed me some of the stuff spread around the Internet here. This is how these people work. But, of course, ladies and gentlemen, you know the truth. The Internet didn't make me; the Internet can't break me. The media didn't make me; they can't break me. The Southern Poverty Law Center didn't make me. Mark Potok and anybody else down there can't break me. Only you can do that, and you won't.

[Ninjacorpse]

He could, but I mostly think he was trying to appeal to the far right. Ratings.

The far right would be anarchy, no public transportation.

[Shawna]

He could, but I mostly think he was trying to appeal to the far right. Ratings.

You obviously know nothing about Rush and apparently, even less about Media Matters.

[Ninjacorpse]

The far right would be anarchy, no public transportation.

Maybe he was suggesting we segregate the people from the buses?

[Ballygrl]

They post full transcripts.

Got 1?

http://biobreak.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/sense_of_humor-7627131.jpg?w=211&h=202

[Shawna]

They post full transcripts.

Are you able to discern sarcasm from reading a transcript?

[Gabby]

So when he defended racism and said we need segregation, what was his point?
sarcasm.....

ever hear of that?

[Ballygrl]

It was definitley conservative shock-jockery.

But why was he bringing race into the bus issue in the first place? Why play the race card at all?

Can't a black kid get in a fight with a white kid for something other than race?

It's called HUMOR!

Ummmm, maybe he brought race into it because Maureen Dowd opened her yap and said that any criticism of Obama equals racism?

As far as your 3rd question? ask the Democrats that because they over-use the race card.

[avergbear]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

I believe we should have segregated message boards.

One for normal people, and one for trouble making trolls.

[Justus]

It was definitley conservative shock-jockery.

But why was he bringing race into the bus issue in the first place? Why play the race card at all?

Can't a black kid get in a fight with a white kid for something other than race?

Can't a white kid get in a fight with a black kid for something other than race?

--

Why play the race card? because liberals won't shut the **** up about calling others racist, Rush likes to joke around a lot...

[TerriC]

It was definitley conservative shock-jockery.

But why was he bringing race into the bus issue in the first place? Why play the race card at all?

Can't a black kid get in a fight with a white kid for something other than race?
Cant a white cop arrest a black man for something other than race?

[Ballygrl]

This is so sad, it makes me want to adopt a lib and tell them jokes over and over and bring some humor into their lives. :(

[grapabeaux]

There is science to support brain differences of gay people compared to the straight counterpart of their gender.

I doubt we could find the same in racists. Maybe. Was it inborn for you?

I don't think you could have said more inaccurate statements if you tried.

There is no scientific proof of any biological origin for homosexuality. The various studies that came out in the 1990s were debunked shortly thereafter.

The reference to "inborn" racism was because of the Newsweek cover story "Is your Baby Racist?" nonsense that Rush was referring to. He wasn't seriously proposing that racism could be an inborn trait. He was pointing out how ridiculous such an idea was.

[The Duke]

Leave the satire to Colbert. Why do you think there are so few conservative comedians?

Because conservatives have to get up early and go to work and can't stay out all night in comedy clubs.

[Ballygrl]

Leave the satire to Colbert. Why do you think there are so few conservative comedians?

What? What does that have to do with the bus issue?

I'll adopt you if you'd like as part of the "adopt a lib to give them a sense of humor campaign" that I'm thinking of starting. Let's start with the 1st joke, we'll start off slow:

Q: Why does the chicken cross the road?

A: To get away from the code pink wackos protesting on the chickens side of the road.

[Shawna]

It was definitley conservative shock-jockery.

But why was he bringing race into the bus issue in the first place? Why play the race card at all?

Can't a black kid get in a fight with a white kid for something other than race?

You seem to have a lot of questions regarding Rush and his radio show. Why have you chosen Media Matters to answer them? Why not just listen to the radio show? I can assure you, if you did, all of your questions would be answered.

[Gabby]

He could, but I mostly think he was trying to appeal to the far right. Ratings.

What? You think that the idea of segregated school buses appeals to the far right? Wow.... it's hard to believe you think such nonsense.

As others have said, Rush was being sarcastic and using outragious examples to show the stupidity of things in our society... things like people constantly accusing anyone who does not agree with Obama as being racist. Things like people saying that is something is 'natural' it is ok.... etc etc etc

[Justus]

Leave the satire to Colbert. Why do you think there are so few conservative comedians?



What? What does that have to do with the bus issue?


As far as I know rush limbaugh has more listeners than colbert and stewart have watchers combined. Looking at nielsen ratings colbert or stewart don't even make top 20. Could be wrong though ;)

[Shawna]

Leave the satire to Colbert. Why do you think there are so few conservative comedians?



What? What does that have to do with the bus issue? Is there an echo in here?

[Gabby]

Leave the satire to Colbert. Why do you think there are so few conservative comedians?



What? What does that have to do with the bus issue?

I have read in several articles about the bus beating that the police believe it racism as the cause of the beating. Than the media started down playing that point.

If it had been a bus load of white kids who beat a black kid, you had better believe the media would be yelling that it was a racist hate crime.

[Ninjacorpse]

What? You think that the idea of segregated school buses appeals to the far right? Wow.... it's hard to believe you think such nonsense.

As others have said, Rush was being sarcastic and using outragious examples to show the stupidity of things in our society... things like people constantly accusing anyone who does not agree with Obama as being racist. Things like people saying that is something is 'natural' it is ok.... etc etc etc

I don't think he knows what the "far right" is he just wants to label something despicable as far right.

[Ballygrl]

It's just how their brains function. Not a choice.

I have to get to bed, do you want me to adopt you or not?

[bitterclingerincalif]

I don't think you could have said more inaccurate statements if you tried.

There is no scientific proof of any biological origin for homosexuality. The various studies that came out in the 1990s were debunked shortly thereafter.

The reference to "inborn" racism was because of the Newsweek cover story "Is your Baby Racist?" nonsense that Rush was referring to. He wasn't seriously proposing that racism could be an inborn trait. He was pointing out how ridiculous such an idea was.

Might I suggest you search out a BBC program called The Making of Me. An episode of this show had John Barrowman trying to find out the reason he is gay. At the end of the show I don't think even he answered the question to his satisfaction whether he is gay either by nature or nurture.

There are studies being conducted presently at the University of Chicago to find whether gayness is nature or nurture. There may be other studies elsewhere as well.

[Gabby]

It's just how their brains function. Not a choice.

Racism exists in every country on earth. It exists in every group on earth. There are blacks, hispanics, asians, etc etc who are racists. There is a lot of evidence that racism is built into our genetics... I think its a way for a group to protect themselves.

So if racism is natural, it should be accepted right?

[Ninjacorpse]

I have to get to bed, do you want me to adopt you or not?

I want to adopt vard, he is kind of cuddly. :razz:

[Ballygrl]

I want to adopt vard, he is kind of cuddly. :razz:

:))

[Gabby]

I don't think he knows what the "far right" is he just wants to label something despicable as far right.

I agree with you. That was part of the point I was making ... 'between the lines'.

[Ninjacorpse]

Racism exists in every country on earth. It exists in every group on earth. There are blacks, hispanics, asians, etc etc who are racists. There is a lot of evidence that racism is built into our genetics... I think its a way for a group to protect themselves.

So if racism is natural, it should be accepted right?

Of course not, we are not a bunch of animals. We should judge people by their actions not any physical distinctions.

[RedStatePaPa]

He could, but I mostly think he was trying to appeal to the far right. Ratings.

He caught you, hook line and sinker. :))

Congrats. He even predicted it.

[gdoane]

I disagree. I don't think we should have ANY school buses. If parents don't care enough to cart their own kids to school every day then their kids shouldn't BE in school.

In the miserable days when I went to Public School (I hated Public School) I was eligible for a bus ride and I wouldn't take it. I rode my bike ten miles one way to avoid the damned circus. There is no place on Earth more out of control than the Lord of the Flies circus that goes on in a School Bus. The bus drivers are a bunch of damned drunks and stoners, the kids are are completely unsupervised and bored, the bus stops are nothing but crimes of opportunity for child molesters and freaks, and the school buses are a traffic hazard stopping in the middle of the road.

BAN SCHOOL BUSES. They do more harm than good. The kids today are too damned fat anyway and could use the exercise.

[RedStatePaPa]

There is a racist fringe on the right. I don't think anyone denies that.

But why do normal conservatives have to get offended when people talk about the fringe? Things aren't so black and white (no pun intended).

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but any criticism of the messiah and you are apparently a racist.

So don't give me that fringe cop out. You dopey libs think all conservatives are racist.

[Ninjacorpse]

There is a racist fringe on the right. I don't think anyone denies that.

But why do normal conservatives have to get offended when people talk about the fringe? Things aren't so black and white (no pun intended).

Seems racism is not limited to any side of the political spectrum. People get offended when you imply that they are racist, and why shouldn't they be? And like I pointed out the far right would be anarchy, they wouldn't support public transportation period.

[Danno3314]

Media Matters' objective is to take statements from conservatives out of context.

It's worth it for them to do that because it suits their agenda.....look at the controversy and criticism this is creating even though it's just sarcasm.....and it never goes away no matter how many times it gets pointed out that it's just sarcasm. Nothing ever gets retracted any more and people will do searches in the future, find articles like this one and not realize that it was sarcasm and leave a post some where about it with a link to it and the controversy keeps on going.....again.

[Justus]

There is a racist fringe on the right. I don't think anyone denies that.

But why do normal conservatives have to get offended when people talk about the fringe? Things aren't so black and white (no pun intended).

Because liberals on tv repeat that crap and conveniently never mention how small it is. Where was the media when we saw death threats being hurdled at bush protests? Most far right as I know it hate people like rush anyway. What's worse? saying your going to kill x-person or calling that person a -insert racial slur here-

[gdoane]

There is a racist fringe on the right. I don't think anyone denies that.

The only sitting KKK member of Congress is Robert Byrd. He's a Democrat.

The only politician credited with ending Slavery is Abraham Lincoln. He's a Republican.

But why do normal conservatives have to get offended when people talk about the fringe? Things aren't so black and white (no pun intended).

It's all about the sheer hypocrisy. Democrats have institutionalized racism and defended it with programs like "affirmative action", and insisting that the U.S. Census not only count noses, but the colors of them.

[fjccommish]

"
What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said? "

He was making a point about the absurdity of those who cry racism at every turn, and about the people who claim homosexuality is genetic compared to the Time Magazine article that claimed babies are racist.'

If we're born racist as Time claims, if we're all racists from birth (white people that is, as Time claims only white babies are racists) then racism must be OK.

This is common. Rush makes a point about how absurd something is, then people like the OP attribute the absurd thing to Rush.

[bitterclingerincalif]

I love it when Rush waxes poetic about the color blindness of conservatives because that has been my experience with conservatives. There have been some who had been prejudiced, but after a while they saw me as a person and not as a non caucasian. For the most part though, it's always been they saw the person that is me. I grew up here so I think of myself as American as anyone I see at the mall or anyone I see on my morning jog.

I had to be told I was descriminated against by my college professors at Berkeley because I never felt it in my day to day life. I did feel a little bit of prejudice and descrimination in high school, but that was from the kids who were ethnically the same as me. I ended up hanging out with with the service brats, they didn't care what I was. All they cared about was we could spend hours together talking about all sorts of things.

[Justus]

When people talk about the racist fringe, normal non-racist conservatives shouldn't get offended.

Anarchy isn't normally considered to be "far right" or right-wing at all.


Why bring up that there are racists at all?

[gdoane]

LOL at the Lincoln Republican reference. Party =/= ideology. Lincoln was hated by social conservatives.

Really? Name one. Lincoln beat THREE DEMOCRATS for the Presidency, most from the socially conservative Southern States.

[Justus]

Why ignore it? That's cowardly. It's a real issue.

Hate is an issue. These same people that bring up racism, I never saw them bring up the people that threatened bush's life at their protests, why not? Is pure hatred for a man to the point where you want to kill him not as bad as racism?

Why do you think these democrats and liberals on tv bring up racism when reporting on right wing protests? Do you by any chance think that they have an agenda? and that they're playing their base to uh... make it seem like everyone there is a racist? Do they ever mention how small and insignificant these "racists" at these protests are?


By the way, what racism? Can you show me a good example? Not a trick question I just want to see what offends you left wingers so much that we always must bring up that there are racists at these protests.

[Ninjacorpse]

When people talk about the racist fringe, normal non-racist conservatives shouldn't get offended.

Anarchy isn't normally considered to be "far right" or right-wing at all.
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Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which consider the state, as compulsory government, to be unnecessary, harmful, and/or undesirable, and favors the absence of the state (anarchy).
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism)

Because its the left that is always calling for less government.. I would rather have the debate about where it goes on the political spectrum than racism, racism is not something that compatible with the political spectrum. But I will have to continue this tomorrow have practice in the morning, hope to see you around :)

[Justus]

This just happened recently. Racism like this is absolutely disgusting:

Morrow police said they arrested a man after he beat up a woman who asked him to "be careful" at a Cracker Barrel restaurant.

He said, 'You're an f****** black (N-word) b****,' is what he said," said Hill. "Then he punched me in my face. And I fell to the ground and he proceeded to punch in my head and face."Many witnesses stepped up to assist police in the investigation by providing written statements as to the events that transpired. Cracker Barrel was also helpful to police in this investigation, Morrow police said.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20926383/detail.html

Sure is.


Akron police say they aren't ready to call it a hate crime or a gang initiation. But to Marty Marshall, his wife and two kids, it seems pretty clear.


It came after a family night of celebrating America and freedom with a fireworks show at Firestone Stadium. Marshall, his family and two friends were gathered outside a friend's home in South Akron.


Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.


Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.

http://www.ohio.com/news/50172282.html

[WildRose]

http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20080616/gay-brain-shows-gender-atypical-traits
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/09/tech/main694078.shtml
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1815538,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

It's just how their brains function. Not a choice.
Fail. If this were true no one would have ever gone from being straight to gay, or gay to straight and being bisexual would be impossible.

next...

[WildRose]

Might I suggest you search out a BBC program called The Making of Me. An episode of this show had John Barrowman trying to find out the reason he is gay. At the end of the show I don't think even he answered the question to his satisfaction whether he is gay either by nature or nurture.

There are studies being conducted presently at the University of Chicago to find whether gayness is nature or nurture. There may be other studies elsewhere as well.Googe "Identical twins gay straight sexuality".

Lots of fascinating reading on the subject.

If gay were "genetic" it would be therefore genetically impossible for one to be gay and the other to be straight since they share the same exact DNA.

[gdoane]

Social conservatives were against abolition. Remember that war we had?

You mean the one we could have avoided if Democrats would have just set their slaves free?

[gdoane]

This just happened recently. Racism like this is absolutely disgusting:

Morrow police said they arrested a man after he beat up a woman who asked him to "be careful" at a Cracker Barrel restaurant.

He said, 'You're an f****** black (N-word) b****,' is what he said," said Hill. "Then he punched me in my face. And I fell to the ground and he proceeded to punch in my head and face."Many witnesses stepped up to assist police in the investigation by providing written statements as to the events that transpired. Cracker Barrel was also helpful to police in this investigation, Morrow police said.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20926383/detail.html

Yeah, right, did you see his mug shot? Dude has hair like a hippie and hasn't shaved in a month. Not exactly a textbook Republican.

[bitterclingerincalif]

Googe "Identical twins gay straight sexuality".

Lots of fascinating reading on the subject.

If gay were "genetic" it would be therefore genetically impossible for one to be gay and the other to be straight since they share the same exact DNA.

I come from a medical family but biology and the sciences weren't my strong point, so I forgot about these studies. I do remember reading about this.

What I found fascinating about The Making of Me was one theory stating boys who have older brothers are more likely to be gay because the mother produces some sort of antibody which makes the babies "less male" than the previous son. One side of my brain says this is all hog wash, but the other side of the brain tells me a lot of my gay friends had older brothers. On the other hand, why weren't the other brothers gay and at what point will the new baby be more likely to be gay, if he is the second, third or fourth boy?

So I suppose if we can't be born gay, then I guess we can't be born racist either. Can Newsweek stand being wrong yet again?

[WildRose]

Surely you're not saying black racism is as much of a problem as white racism, where there has been a long history and tradition of racism.

Why can't conservatives talk about white racism without defending it or diverting away from it?In this day and time "Black-White" racism is far more of a problem than White-Black racism. The bigger problem than either is the lefts' constant accusations of racism for anyone to oppose the policies of the current congress and administration.

The nation had definitely moved for the most part beyond white-black racism until november of 2008. If we had not, then John McCain would be the current president.

[WildRose]

Can Newsweek stand being wrong yet again? If they are still publishing they are still wrong. They've had a decidedly leftist agenda since at least the late seventies. Too bad the paper is slick and shiny; it doesn't even make good toilet paper.

[WildRose]

Rednecks can have long hair, and don't always shave. Lets not forget that demographic.You are equating redneck-republican. Try another tactic.

[WildRose]

Do you identify with the "extremist" or "fringe" that gets called racist? When people use words like that, they aren't talking about Republicans at large.Have you ignored the last eight months totally? Any opposition to the agenda of the current president and congress is labeled as "racist" ad nauseum.

That's not labeling the "fringe" as racists, it's labeling about 60% of the population, since current polls show that around 60% of the nation is unhappy with the current direction of the president and congress.

That's labeling about 70% as racist because that's the percentage of Americans opposed to the current HCR bills being debated, and the same percentage opposed to Cap and Trade.

Good lord, a representative was called a racist by the speaker of the house for shouting "you lie" when Obama WAS lying!

[Justus]

Surely you're not saying black racism is as much of a problem as white racism, where there has been a long history and tradition of racism.

Why can't conservatives talk about white racism without defending it or diverting away from it?

This day in age? I would say black on white is worse. Should we not confront the current racism going on? not just white on black? And if so how is saying there are racists at these protests (without any evidence from what I've seen) going to solve a damn thing?

I'm not going to keep running around in circles explaining why it "offends" me that the media always mention that there are racists at these protests. I'm not white so I'm only offended on how the movement I'm with is being branded.

[WildRose]

Yeah I'm sure he is an Affirmative Action supporting liberal elite...Long haired dope smoking freaky type folks usually don't vote, but when they do they sure don't vote conservatively.

[WildRose]

Did you hear Jimmy Carter? Did you hear Bill Cosby?

They're not calling every conservative racist. Almost all the mainstream commentators are referring to it as a fringe or radical section.BS See Nancy Pelosi Racism on google. See NBC, MSNBC, and ABC discussing "Joe's comment".

They are labeling anyone opposing the agenda as racist.

[WildRose]

Here's just a few:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/pelosi_chokes_up_recalling_mil.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/opinion/13dowd.html

http://video.google.com/videosearch?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=%22you+lie%22+racist&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=Isq1SsnQD5Wk8QalidGTDw&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=6#

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/13/maureen-dowd-joe-wilsons-you-lie-outburst-all-about-racism

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/16/jimmy-carter-you-lie-racist

[WildRose]

And more...


Atlanta Journal Constitution/Cnn
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/16/the-role-of-racism-in-the-health-care-debate/

Rangel
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2009/09/03/rangel-the-tax-cheat-racism-behind-some-of-obamacare-opposition/ (http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2009/09/03/rangel-the-tax-cheat-racism-behind-some-of-obamacare-opposition/)

Huff and puff
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ray-hanania/opposition-to-obama-healt_b_242938.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ray-hanania/opposition-to-obama-healt_b_242938.html)

Just Democracy
http://www.justdemocracyblog.org/?p=873 (http://www.justdemocracyblog.org/?p=873)

Krugman/Newsbusters

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/clay-waters/2009/08/07/paul-krugman-sees-racism-among-town-hall-mob-protesters

[WildRose]

What did Pelosi tearing up when talking about the Milk assasination have to do with calling all conservatives racist?

Can you post the exact Pelosi quote? Because that was her answer as to what was spurring the opposition to the HCR bill in the house.

She's trying to equate opposition to the bill to racism, hatred, and violence.

[Gabby]

Did you hear Jimmy Carter? Did you hear Bill Cosby?

They're not calling every conservative racist. Almost all the mainstream commentators are referring to it as a fringe or radical section.

If you have been listening to the news for the last few months you know that democrats have been calling anyone who openly disagrees with Obama 'fringe', 'radical', 'angry mob' and on and on. So to say that they are only saying the the fringe/radical section is racist means that they are calling everyone who disagrees with Obamacare and other things Obama and Congress is doing racist.

The more people are called names for exercising their right to disagree with the president and congress, the more they will feel disenfranchised. In the end this will only hurt Obama and the dems in congress.

Keep it up… it just might help us get a house cleaning that it very badly needed.

By the way, you come here with the vailed racist accussations... you just might be surprised how many of us conservatives and independents who post here are not white folk.

[Maelstrom]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

You haven't written what he said, in context, yet.

You've proven yourself to be a tool for liberals. Why don't you start over, and this time without acting the part of a tool?

[Maelstrom]

So when he defended racism and said we need segregation, what was his point?

You're making his point.

His point was: Liberals are stupid.

[gdoane]

Rednecks can have long hair, and don't always shave. Lets not forget that demographic.

Dude looks more like Nick Nolte than a Republican. No self-respecting Republican man would wear his hair like a girl and grow a mustache.

[waynevan]

Dude looks more like Nick Nolte than a Republican. No self-respecting Republican man would wear his hair like a girl and grow a mustache.


http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af57/waynevan/TedNugent.jpg?t=1253456948

[mboncher]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?
Huh. Another case of "didn't listen to the show for full context, but got this blurb from his enemies and assume it's true."

And if anyone DID listen to the show and got this as well from it... sorry, but they're a moron.

Once again, the media gets tweeked and leftists buy it as him meaning it.

Wonder how his mom likes her new can opener for her dogfood dinners?

[tom1468]

I dont really care for Rush but I do listen to him off and on.
I believe when Rush made such statements they were meant to be sarcastic and now people are attempting to twist them to be a serious statement

[SFC(R)L]

I think it's been established that he was taken out of context by the intellectually dishonest.

[mboncher]

I disagree. I don't think we should have ANY school buses. If parents don't care enough to cart their own kids to school every day then their kids shouldn't BE in school.

In the miserable days when I went to Public School (I hated Public School) I was eligible for a bus ride and I wouldn't take it. I rode my bike ten miles one way to avoid the damned circus. There is no place on Earth more out of control than the Lord of the Flies circus that goes on in a School Bus. The bus drivers are a bunch of damned drunks and stoners, the kids are are completely unsupervised and bored, the bus stops are nothing but crimes of opportunity for child molesters and freaks, and the school buses are a traffic hazard stopping in the middle of the road.

BAN SCHOOL BUSES. They do more harm than good. The kids today are too damned fat anyway and could use the exercise.
Dude. I take serious offense to that as I AM a School Bus Driver and take a lot of pride in my work. I reeeeeeaaallllyyy hope (and I think you did) you mean that in jest.

Then again, I'm the mean bus driver. Just ask my kids. I don't let those kind of shenanigans go on, on my bus.

[mboncher]

I think it's been established that he was taken out of context by the intellectually dishonest.
Noooooo....! Leftists being intellectually dishonest???? I won't believe you!

[jasan22]

I think it's been established that he was taken out of context by the intellectually dishonest.

I would say that to be intellectually dishonest one would have to have to have the ability to think, something those on the left seem to never be able to do.

[Nashville]

He was definitely taken out of context. I listened to the show. He was satirizing on stupid and selective lib logic. He even predicted it would be deliberately or stupidly be taken out of context.

[Nevarwinter]

It's so funny how we are getting our marching orders from corporations and we're sheep, yet media matters takes a single out of context clip and the leftists try to nail you with it because they get their marching orders from "being independent thinkers".

This is awesome. Go ahead and waste your time, guys. Since you listen to biased sources, you get to look like an ass all over the internet.

[samurai7]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

:))

Another one takes the lie from Media Matters. People. Rush was joking. Here's the entire quote and context: :))

RUSH: During the break Mr. Snerdley showed me a website that a friend of his had alerted him to. Apparently it has taken hold out there that when discussing Obama's America as it relates to the school bus incident -- where was that? That was in Belleville, right? Belleville, Illinois -- playing off the Newsweek story of, you know, all white kids are born racists. I did a whole routine here on, "Well, maybe we need to segregate the buses and so forth," in a joking fashion. And this guy at the Southern Poverty Law Center, this Mark Plotkin... Is that his name? What...? Mark Potok. Mark Potok says that I want to segregate buses! We're going to get to what he said and what I said but I want to preface it or precede it with Howard Dean last night on MSNBC. He was asked if he shares Pelosi's concerns over the wave of violence we all know is just waiting to break out.

POTOK: Yesterday Rush Limbaugh was on the air talking about an incident in which black kids attacked a white kid on a school bus, an incident the police said was not racially motivated and saying that what we need are segregated buses -- that this is the only way, I suppose, that white people can be protected from black people. I think when we have characters like Limbaugh saying that on the air to millions of Americans, many of whom actually revere the man, you know, it's not surprising that people feel that, uh, you know, the race wars around the corner and that, uh, we're allowed to say these kinds of things.

RUSH: It's incredible. (laughing) This whole race tumult is being orchestrated and run out of the White House straight out of Rahm Emanuel and Axelrod's office. They are promoting it; they are encouraging it. Isn't it amazing? You have black kids who beat up a white kid on a school bus. That's not racism. You have half the country criticizing a socialist health care plan, and that is racism. Okay, so you there heard this despicable embarrassment of a human being, Mark Potok, from the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project. Now, here's the comment I made in context, in response to a caller, obviously not a call for segregation.

BEGIN RUSH ARCHIVE CLIP

CALLER: Hi, Rush. Hey, I just was commenting on the Belleville incident with the kids on the bus. You're right. They did report that last night as being racially motivated, but I just heard the news before your show started and the police chief over -- I think he was a police chief, some law enforcement -- there said that after further investigation of it would be not racially motivated. He said he should have been more professional before he commented on it and investigated it more before he decided and stated that it was racially motivated.

RUSH: Well, did he say why, in Obama's America, that incident with the white kid getting beat up on the black school bus was not racially motivated?

CALLER: I didn't hear him comment about that. No, sir.

RUSH: Because we've seen the videotape. Have you seen the videotape?

CALLER: Oh, yeah, sure.

RUSH: We can't hear what's being said.

CALLER: No.

RUSH: So we don't know what obvious taunts this lone white student was dishing out to the whole bus.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: We don't know what obvious taunts.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: Worse than the obvious verbal taunts, we all know the racism that was in the kid's mind. I mean Newsweek magazine says he was born a racist. So you know the white kid is sitting there thinking N-word and all kinds of things being surrounded by these black students. They knew that. They knew that and so they just descended on the kid and beat him up. We've seen the videotape. What did the police chief investigate?

CALLER: He did not comment on anything other than he said more investigations shows that it was not racially motivated.

RUSH: I think the guy is wrong. I think not only was it racism, it's justifiable racism.

CALLER: True.

RUSH: I mean, that's the lesson that we're being taught here today. Kid shouldn't have been on the bus anyway.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: We need segregated buses. It was invading of space and so forth. This is Obama's America.

END RUSH ARCHIVE CLIP

RUSH: So I'm doing a total parodic rant. I mean, the sarcasm is dripping -- And this bottom feeder at the Southern Poverty Law Center, Mark Potok, is putting it out there that I made a call for segregated buses.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091809/content/01125112.member.html

So, Rush was totally being sarcastic and joking. He was imitating the idiots who right now suggesting any criticism of Obama is "racism."

So why make a fool of yourselves liberals going to Media Matters? They always lie, and take out of context.

Go to the real source, and you will find out, Media Matter, is as usual, lying their ass off.

:)) :)) :))

[LJ14]

You're making his point.

His point was: Liberals are stupid.

Exactly. And God love 'im... Rush plays with them with the pure joy of a seal with a beach ball. :))


(Which is the mental picture I had while listening to this particular bit on Friday. :lol: )

[samurai7]

Exactly. And God love 'im... Rush plays with them with the pure joy of a seal with a beach ball. :))


(Which is the mental picture I had while listening to this particular bit on Friday. :lol: )

That's the point. Every time liberals run with stuff like this, like "this proves what we always knew about Rush" they are playing into Rush's hands. He plays them like a fiddle and they illustrate just how damn STUPID AND GULLIBLE they are.

This situation reminds me of when Rush made the joke about how he was going to buy his mother a can opener so she would be able to eat the dog food she would have to eat living under a Republican Congress. And IDIOT Patsy Schroeder took to the House and repeated this, dead serious, and said how this "really revealed" what conservatives are about.

Someone had to take idiot Patsy asside and tell her Rush was joking. :)) I mean if liberals were even a quarter as smart as Rush was, they would be dangerous.

:)) :)) :))

[gb2004]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

That's NOT what he said, troll. Maybe if you had actually been listening to him instead of getting your information from Media Matters , you would know that.

Boy Rush called it right. He said that the left would take that completely out of context and he nailed it. :)):)):))

[dad49er]

Why are we humans so literal? I mean, I read stuff on other boards and can't tell if people are kidding or are serious. I heard Rush say this and other things on open line Friday and clearly he was pulling chains of the libs listening. He even asked on air which of his statements that day would be taken apart and criticized on all the liberal blogs.

Rush does have his shock jock moments, most of the time though I can rely on him to tell me the truth about what's happening in this country. He sometimes exaggerates to make his points much clearer.

Did media matters say Limbaugh wanted bus segregation to protect the black kids from the chidings of the one white kid?

Being able to say "I was kidding" does provide good cover.

[gb2004]

The context was within his rant on the bus fight with the black kid beating up a white kid.

What context were you thinking of?

It was SARCASM.

[Fire Watch]

Being able to say "I was kidding" does provide good cover.
So, you're calling Rush a racist. Am I understanding your point correctly?

[Ballygrl]

Is this thread still going on? :))

I still can't believe that libs don't get sarcasm and humor at all, and when is Media Matters going to lose their tax exempt status?

[dad49er]

So, you're calling Rush a racist. Am I understanding your point correctly?

No.
General statement.
Say something controversial, then if it creates negative criticism just say "I was kidding", or "out of context".
Pretty common from both sides.

[Maelstrom]

No.
General statement.
Say something controversial, then if it creates negative criticism just say "I was kidding", or "out of context".
Pretty common from both sides.

Check your timeline.

Rush said it would be taken out of context *before* he said it.

I wouldn't want anyone to look so totally foolish as a mindless tool for the media by stating that something controversial was said first, and then "kidding" or "context" claims followed after criticism.

Nobody should be so badly humiliated.

[Charlie A]

So, you're calling Rush a racist. Am I understanding your point correctly?

Incoming COA ban! Hit the dirt!

[Gengar]

What Rush said was totally out of line. And I haven't seen one single "conservative" blog denounce this stupid comment.

Segregation? Seriously?

[bitterclingerincalif]

Activia tells you to try them out for 6 weeks to get detoxified. Try Rush out for 6 weeks and see if he still says what you think he says after the 6 weeks. I dare ya.

[mboncher]

What Rush said was totally out of line. And I haven't seen one single "conservative" blog denounce this stupid comment.

Segregation? Seriously?
Listened to the show myself. No need to. Was said to **** the libs off and had no seriousness behind it.

[Fire Watch]

If people are too stupid to realize that this was sarcasm, they're likewise too stupid to be on the internet talking about it. Shut the damn thing off and read a book.

[spinach]

Is this thread still going on? :))

I still can't believe that libs don't get sarcasm and humor at all, and when is Media Matters going to lose their tax exempt status?


liberals can't grasp the incredibly obvious.
Rush was making a 'negative point' by exposing the hypocrisy of the left.

any person with a speck of brains would see what he was up to, just by listening to the show or reading the transcript as a whole.

the OP is cherry picking--
and attempting to create an issue by presenting half the story.

typical liberal tactic

[spinach]

If people are too stupid to realize that this was sarcasm, they're likewise too stupid to be on the internet talking about it. Shut the damn thing off and read a book.


they know it was sarcasm.
but the left always takes a "kitchen sink" approach with Rush-
they throw everything they can at him, no matter how ridiculous.

and they keep on doing it, no matter how many times they are proven wrong.
it has nothing to do with the left 'not understanding' the point Rush made.

it has everything to do with trying to cherry pick and manipulate a half story.
the liberals always act like this.

[jwil59]

I get what Rush said and agree it was humor/sarcasm. I believe that because I have listened to him.

I have also listened to the righties on this board and also know that if these same words had been uttered by someone on the left they would not get the same understanding as Rush is

[spinach]

I have also listened to the righties on this board and also know that if these same words had been uttered by someone on the left they would not get the same understanding as Rush is

prove that statement

[jwil59]

prove that statement

Don't have to, it's an observation, an opinion so to speak. You know it's true though :lol:

Point being that party line politics is a game of hypocracy from both sides. Does it mean I think less of either side, no it don't, I have come to expect it

[F_Rat-46]

I get what Rush said and agree it was humor/sarcasm. I believe that because I have listened to him.

I have also listened to the righties on this board and also know that if these same words had been uttered by someone on the left they would not get the same understanding as Rush is

There is no one on the left that has a sense of humor, except maybe Bill Maher, so if they say anything anywhere near what Rush said, we would know they really meant it...

[The Debater]

Media Matters' objective is to take statements from conservatives out of context.

Actually, that's their mission statement. It's engraved in gold on a plaque in their offices.

[jwil59]

There is no one on the left that has a sense of humor, except maybe Bill Maher, so if they say anything anywhere near what Rush said, we would know they really meant it...

Bill Maher isn't as funny as he used to be and anything he says critisizing the right isn't a joke, he hates the right with every inch of his being.

So Rush gets a pass but you automatically know someone on the left saying the same thing would not be humor? Thanks for proving my point

[ShinGouki]

Noone is born a racist. Environment and their family has the most bearing on whether someone turns out to be a "racist."

For example, we have two families. Family A, the Jones, are led by Michael, who is EXTREMELY racist. His wife shares those views. They pass them on to their children. Are their children 100% likely to be racist? No, they are not. For example, an ex-girlfriend of mine has a very racist family yet she still dated me, a half black guy. But, the kids are far more likely to turn out racist.

Family B, the Springfields, are led by James. He is not racist at all; in fact, he is married to a Korean woman. The parents teach their kids not to hate. Does that mean that the kids will not be racist? No. I know kids who are racist as a Ku Klux Klan member yet have parents who do not have a racist bone in their body.

That's where environment comes in.

[spinach]

Don't have to, it's an observation, an opinion so to speak. You know it's true though :lol:

Point being that party line politics is a game of hypocracy from both sides. Does it mean I think less of either side, no it don't, I have come to expect it


no it isn't true.
you made a blanket statement that you can't prove.

you are calling "righties on this board" hypocrites, and can't prove it.

guess what that says about you?

[jwil59]

no it isn't true.
you made a blanket statement that you can't prove.

you are calling "righties on this board" hypocrites, and can't prove it.

guess what that says about you?

Take it as you wish my friend.

It is true for both parties actually, not just the righties

[F_Rat-46]

Bill Maher isn't as funny as he used to be and anything he says critisizing the right isn't a joke, he hates the right with every inch of his being.

So Rush gets a pass but you automatically know someone on the left saying the same thing would not be humor? Thanks for proving my point

Well name someone on the left who can be as sarcastic as Rush. And, as for proving your point, just what in the heck is your point?

[spinach]

Take it as you wish my friend.

It is true for both parties actually, not just the righties


you SAY now it's true for "both parties"

you BEFORE said "the righties on this board"

when you said "the righties on this board" that includes me.
you made a blanket statement about the conserv posters on this forum that you can't prove.


I have also listened to the righties on this board and also know that if these same words had been uttered by someone on the left they would not get the same understanding as Rush is

[spinach]

as a matter of fact...

isn't it true that the LIBERAL OP cherry picked a Rush statement?
and isn't it true that conservatives here have rebutted it.

that's what we CAN prove.
and we can say that the liberal OP is not presenting all the facts

[jwil59]

Well name someone on the left who can be as sarcastic as Rush. And, as for proving your point, just what in the heck is your point?

Bob Beckel can be quite sarcastic at times. Bill Maher seems to be more bitter than sarcastic though. It's really hard to compare anyone with Rush though cause the left don't have anyone on their with the following Rush has.

My point was that you automatically pretty much said you would not give anyone from the left that said the same thing the same understanding you and I are giving Rush.

[jwil59]

you SAY now it's true for "both parties"

you BEFORE said "the righties on this board"

when you said "the righties on this board" that includes me.
you made a blanket statement about the conserv posters on this forum that you can't prove.

I actually said party line politics was a game of hypocracy for BOTH SIDES.

[jwil59]

as a matter of fact...

isn't it true that the LIBERAL OP cherry picked a Rush statement?
and isn't it true that conservatives here have rebutted it.

that's what we CAN prove.
and we can say that the liberal OP is not presenting all the facts

I happen to agree with you about Rush

[F_Rat-46]

Bob Beckel can be quite sarcastic at times. Bill Maher seems to be more bitter than sarcastic though. It's really hard to compare anyone with Rush though cause the left don't have anyone on their with the following Rush has.

My point was that you automatically pretty much said you would not give anyone from the left that said the same thing the same understanding you and I are giving Rush.

I was thinking more along the lines of people that have a regular show, not someone like Beckel, who can be sarcastic, Maher is rather bitter, however he did have a funny take on the 9-12 people being overweight and even made fun of Obama and his Surgeon General (there's a thread around here about that). But my first impression of people like Chris Matthews and that type, are they just can't take a joke.

[jwil59]

I was thinking more along the lines of people that have a regular show, not someone like Beckel, who can be sarcastic, Maher is rather bitter, however he did have a funny take on the 9-12 people being overweight and even made fun of Obama and his Surgeon General (there's a thread around here about that). But my first impression of people like Chris Matthews and that type, are they just can't take a joke.

Keith Oberman is quite sarcastic too, but I don't watch him much

[Ballygrl]

The only liberal broadcaster that was both funny, and sarcastic in a funny way, is Ron Kuby. Totally disagreed with most of what he said, but he was so funny and adorable that I loved listening to him.

[samurai7]

What Rush said was totally out of line. And I haven't seen one single "conservative" blog denounce this stupid comment.

Segregation? Seriously?

:))

Like I said. Rush knows how to play liberals like a violin, and they always play to his tune.

If liberals were a quarter as smart as Rush, they would be dangerous.

Did liberals EVEN bother to read the transcript?

:)) :))

[samurai7]

I get what Rush said and agree it was humor/sarcasm. I believe that because I have listened to him.

I have also listened to the righties on this board and also know that if these same words had been uttered by someone on the left they would not get the same understanding as Rush is

Oh isn't this typical. When liberals KNOW they have been played for fools, they fall back to, "well you guys would have done the same!"

:)) :))

Let me know when you have that plethora of examples. All I have to do is show the "phony soldiers" controversy and how that blew up in Harry Reid's face.

:)) :))

[samurai7]

Don't have to, it's an observation, an opinion so to speak. You know it's true though :lol:

Point being that party line politics is a game of hypocracy from both sides. Does it mean I think less of either side, no it don't, I have come to expect it

:))

In other words he can't prove it, but it's like saying "so's your old man!"

:)) :))

[samurai7]

Bill Maher isn't as funny as he used to be and anything he says critisizing the right isn't a joke, he hates the right with every inch of his being.

So Rush gets a pass but you automatically know someone on the left saying the same thing would not be humor? Thanks for proving my point

What point? Give us an example of Bill Maher being able to play anything half as intelligent as Rush.

I won't hold my breath on that one. Maher couldn't hold a candle to Rush.

:)) :))

[samurai7]

Take it as you wish my friend.

It is true for both parties actually, not just the righties

Another lame tactic. This the typical liberal tactic of when you can't defend your own say "they all do it."

Only problem is, liberals CAN'T PROVE they all do it. BUT, they will say it anyway.

:)) :)) :))

[samurai7]

Bob Beckel can be quite sarcastic at times. Bill Maher seems to be more bitter than sarcastic though. It's really hard to compare anyone with Rush though cause the left don't have anyone on their with the following Rush has.

My point was that you automatically pretty much said you would not give anyone from the left that said the same thing the same understanding you and I are giving Rush.

Can you give us an example of the right going into an uproar and having a "Media Matters" for Beckel or Maher?

You can't, and you know why? Because we don't pay attention to either of those two morons, because combined they don't have half the audience of Rush.

:)) :))

[jwil59]

Can you give us an example of the right going into an uproar and having a "Media Matters" for Beckel or Maher?

You can't, and you know why? Because we don't pay attention to either of those two morons, because combined they don't have half the audience of Rush.

:)) :))

yeah I said the left don't have anyone with the same following Rush has, minds less those two. I pretty much disagree with both those two guys too, expecially Maher on Christianity.

So you don't pay attention to the opposition?

[jwil59]

Another lame tactic. This the typical liberal tactic of when you can't defend your own say "they all do it."

Only problem is, liberals CAN'T PROVE they all do it. BUT, they will say it anyway.

:)) :)) :))

I wasn't defending anyone, actually quite the contrary.

I offered an opinion based on reading this board. If you have something against opinions then why are you aligning me with the liberals. I say it is an opinion cause I challenge you to just list two liberal political positions I agree with. You can't, there fore that isn't based on any facts. Just cause I don't hate everyone that is different than me don't mean I am a liberal

[jwil59]

You do know that is a TOS violation, right. You will be banned for that personal attack on Rush

[mboncher]

INCOMING!!!!! ::: Dives for the nearest foxhole:::

[str8shtr1]

There's nothing funny or sarcastic or appropriate about the supposition of segregation in the United States, people in THIS DECADE have been hurt by forced segregation in this country.

[AvgGuyIA]

There's nothing funny or sarcastic or appropriate about the supposition of segregation in the United States, people in THIS DECADE have been hurt by forced segregation in this country.Who has been hurt by forced segregation in this decade? Kindly site even one example.

[mboncher]

There's nothing funny or sarcastic or appropriate about the supposition of segregation in the United States, people in THIS DECADE have been hurt by forced segregation in this country.
You must have made your save against humor.

[Gabby]

Wow this thread is still going on well after it's been made clear that Rush was just being sarcastic??? lol

[bitterclingerincalif]

There's nothing funny or sarcastic or appropriate about the supposition of segregation in the United States, people in THIS DECADE have been hurt by forced segregation in this country.

The first thing to go when the libs take over is the ability to laugh at yourself and others.

Also I find people who get insulted by jokes or sarcasm aren't even of the ethnicity of the person or persons being joked about.

Lighten up folks. Tomorrow is the start of a new week. We need all the laughs we can get.

[WildRose]

XXXX TOS VIOLATION XXXX This is nothing in comparison to typical liberal hate speech or hate comedy against the right. It is all about Rush lambasting Newsweek for saying that someone can be born racist.You need to edit the TOS violation out of your first sentence or when it gets reported you'll probably get the boot.

[jwil59]

yeah duke you should edit that out my friend......

[WildRose]

I get what Rush said and agree it was humor/sarcasm. I believe that because I have listened to him.

I have also listened to the righties on this board and also know that if these same words had been uttered by someone on the left they would not get the same understanding as Rush isIf Rush had not prefaced his comment to let us know what was coming he wouldn't be getting a free pass either.

Rush is about as racist as you and I, and he set the whole thing up on purpose, even told us what was to come, and what would be done with it to demonstrate the absurdity of the comment, and the dishonesty of those on the left who would intentionally misuse it.

[jwil59]

If Rush had not prefaced his comment to let us know what was coming he wouldn't be getting a free pass either.

Rush is about as racist as you and I, and he set the whole thing up on purpose, even told us what was to come, and what would be done with it to demonstrate the absurdity of the comment, and the dishonesty of those on the left who would intentionally misuse it.


yeah I understand what he said but I listen to him and pretty much know what he means. I guess I can see where someone who don't listen or has a political agenda could misunderstand.

[str8shtr1]

Who has been hurt by forced segregation in this decade? Kindly site even one example.

People with "preconditions" in this country, women in the middle east, REAL conservatives from the GOP....need more?

[WildRose]

Originally Posted by AvgGuyIA http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=61350101#post61350101)
Who has been hurt by forced segregation in this decade? Kindly site even one example.



People with "preconditions" in this country, women in the middle east, REAL conservatives from the GOP....need more?Nonsensical drivel. What "preconditions"? You do realize we're discussing the US, not any other country? Don't you?

[byzantine catholic]

Wow this thread is still going on well after it's been made clear that Rush was just being sarcastic??? lolThose libs do not stop until they destroy someone's reputation.:rolleyes:

[str8shtr1]

Nonsensical drivel. What "preconditions"? You do realize we're discussing the US, not any other country? Don't you?

Forced segregation of jus plain ol folk is hurtful no matter where it happens...

[Gabby]

Forced segregation of jus plain ol folk is hurtful no matter where it happens...

You have yet to show that there has been any forced segregation of anyone in the USA in the last decade. If it did not happen, how can it hurt anyone?

[Maelstrom]

What Rush said was totally out of line. And I haven't seen one single "conservative" blog denounce this stupid comment.

Segregation? Seriously?

:))

Seriously?

What do you think about Rush said...without the sarcasm this time...please!

That was hilarious :)) :clap:

[Maelstrom]

Don't have to, it's an observation, an opinion so to speak. You know it's true though :lol:

Point being that party line politics is a game of hypocracy from both sides. Does it mean I think less of either side, no it don't, I have come to expect it

The point is, you don't have any examples.

[Maelstrom]

Noone is born a racist. Environment and their family has the most bearing on whether someone turns out to be a "racist."

For example, we have two families. Family A, the Jones, are led by Michael, who is EXTREMELY racist. His wife shares those views. They pass them on to their children. Are their children 100% likely to be racist? No, they are not. For example, an ex-girlfriend of mine has a very racist family yet she still dated me, a half black guy. But, the kids are far more likely to turn out racist.

Family B, the Springfields, are led by James. He is not racist at all; in fact, he is married to a Korean woman. The parents teach their kids not to hate. Does that mean that the kids will not be racist? No. I know kids who are racist as a Ku Klux Klan member yet have parents who do not have a racist bone in their body.

That's where environment comes in.

In that case, you're telling us your opinion about the topic Rush was speaking to when he made his comment: Time Magazine lied. Their headline story was about racist *babies*.

[Maelstrom]

People with "preconditions" in this country, women in the middle east, REAL conservatives from the GOP....need more?

These are gross generalities that do not seem to be reflective of anything as objective as a specific example.

Try again.

[Maelstrom]

Forced segregation of jus plain ol folk is hurtful no matter where it happens...

Claiming that forced segregation exists when it does not is hurtful no matter where it happens.

So do provide an example of forced segregation within the US over the past decade.

:rolleyes: I won't hold my breath.

[Justus]

Rush is a genius. I love how he makes the DU-liberals foam at the mouth and flock to conservative-dominated websites/forums to go :

"SEE, SEE, SEE YOU ARE RACISTS!"

[chico53]

Have liberals been born without a sarcasm gene? If you dont listen to Rush regularly, you dont understand the way he works. He was being sarcastic throughout that entire set! He was saying "we need segregated buses" because the beating of the white boy by the black boys showed that they didnt want white kids on their bus. Based on that incident. If you dont get the way he works, dont bother listening or trying to get it.

But he based his comment on an inaccurate story. The bus problem wasn't about race -- it was simply teenagers acting like ... teenagers. Limbaugh, who is a clever fellow, saw it as an opening to drive another spike into the racial argument.

And I would suggest to you that joking about race is something you need to be very careful about.

The bottom line is here is the guy who is, for now, THE voice of the Republican Party. So, everything he says can be taken for gospel unless he makes it very clear in advance he is not serious. He did not do so in this case. So, I am going to presume he was serious and he thinks this is a policy all his supporters should adopt immediately. The bigger question is: why don't they do so?

[LJ14]

The bottom line is here is the guy who is, for now, THE voice of the Republican Party. So, everything he says can be taken for gospel unless he makes it very clear in advance he is not serious. He did not do so in this case. So, I am going to presume he was serious and he thinks this is a policy all his supporters should adopt immediately. The bigger question is: why don't they do so?

Rush's listeners aren't so stupid as to be unable to detect sarcasm. Further... they already know that it's Colin Powell who is the "titular head of the Republican Party". :razz:

[Baltimore_Con]

I think its already been brought up by Rush. And he is right the Left has no sense of humor.

[rjhambone]

And I would suggest to you that joking about race is something you need to be very careful about.

Because he ^^^^ said so!!! :lol:

[stereo]

I tend to agree. I saw the video of the black teenage boys beating the crap out of a white boy on a school bus, just because he moved his book bag to sit down. This is sad stuff. The black population is blowing it for themselves. How would you feel if your kid was beaten on a school bus for no reason?
The blacks are the ones not letting racism go. I don't hear the American Indians whining all the time.

[chico53]

I tend to agree. I saw the video of the black teenage boys beating the crap out of a white boy on a school bus, just because he moved his book bag to sit down. This is sad stuff. The black population is blowing it for themselves. How would you feel if your kid was beaten on a school bus for no reason?
The blacks are the ones not letting racism go. I don't hear the American Indians whining all the time.

Which is exactly the reason why race is a very tricky issue to joke about. If you grow up in Detroit (as I did), you find this out early. There are a plenty of things you can get on people about. As someone who lived through a race riot that tore a city apart (and some areas have never recovered from it), I can tell you personally the damage it can do. Find something else to amuse yourself. This issue is very dangerous.

[Bluesgtr44]

And then he went on to say this about racism:

“If homosexuality being inborn is what makes it acceptable, why does racism being inborn not make racism acceptable?”

You can listen to it here.
http://mediamatters.org/limbaughwire/2009/09/15#0023

I don't think the majority of conservatives are actual racists. It's definitely an unfair generalization. 20% at most.

What do you guys think about this? Do you agree with what he said?

The majority of Democrats who voted for Hillary in the primary did so because they weren't going to vote for the black guy. They did this because they are racist. I can back this up using the same "points of argument" that liberals use to point to conservatives as the racists......

They have seen the enemy.....and it is themselves....

[Bluesgtr44]

Originally Posted by chico53
And I would suggest to you that joking about race is something you need to be very careful about.

I'll remember that.....if I ever move to ****ing detroit or chicago! Until then, keep your bigotry and assinine way of looking at it in those two dying cities. Hmmmm, wonder why they're dying.....:rolleyes:

Don't expect me to live your local lie!

[chico53]

The majority of Democrats who voted for Hillary in the primary did so because they weren't going to vote for the black guy. They did this because they are racist. I can back this up using the same "points of argument" that liberals use to point to conservatives as the racists......

They have seen the enemy.....and it is themselves....

Another reason to find something else to joke about. If Mr. Limbaugh was kidding, he should have known better or simply said so.

[WildRose]

Another reason to find something else to joke about. If Mr. Limbaugh was kidding, he should have known better or simply said so.He did say so.:rolleyes:

[chico53]

He did say so.:rolleyes:

Did he say, "I'm only joking here" or is this a presumption on your part? If is the former, it is odd I can't see to find it on the web anywhere.

[Fire Watch]

So Chico, is it your assertion then that Rush is a racist?

[jmb6]

Why are we humans so literal? I mean, I read stuff on other boards and can't tell if people are kidding or are serious. I heard Rush say this and other things on open line Friday and clearly he was pulling chains of the libs listening. He even asked on air which of his statements that day would be taken apart and criticized on all the liberal blogs.

Rush does have his shock jock moments, most of the time though I can rely on him to tell me the truth about what's happening in this country. He sometimes exaggerates to make his points much clearer.

Did media matters say Limbaugh wanted bus segregation to protect the black kids from the chidings of the one white kid?

Reminds me of the anti-segregation laws and how the main proponents said that minorities could not learn properly unless they were in schools with white children.

40 years later and there has been no appreciable increase in how educated these bussed children are. As a matter of fact, children with 2 hour bus rides were found to be less prepared for school and did poorer on tests and were more likely to drop out.

Fantastic.

[Mike Griffith]

Good grief, anyone with a brain the size of a pea could tell that Rush was joking, that he was being sarcastic.

I haven't paid much attention to Media Matters. If this is a typical example of their "analysis," I'm glad I haven't wasted my time on them.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Even though I agree with the general sentiment that he was 99% likely to be joking, two thoughts...

1. That's a pretty ****ing stupid thing to joke about.

2. Since when is racism inborn?

[Bluesgtr44]

Another reason to find something else to joke about. If Mr. Limbaugh was kidding, he should have known better or simply said so.

No! You push it to the back burner by insisting the whole paradigm is a JOKE! That's the whole premise behind what he does with the liars of "ists" and "ics". If an individual wants to continue to carry the water for the lie......let 'em, but I don't blame Rush for pointing out the obvious absurdity that has become of the bastardization of the "ists" and "ics".

If anything, you should go after the race "industries" that have caused this over time. They're the ones to blame for this.....not Rush.

[Maelstrom]

But he based his comment on an inaccurate story. The bus problem wasn't about race -- it was simply teenagers acting like ... teenagers. Limbaugh, who is a clever fellow, saw it as an opening to drive another spike into the racial argument.

And I would suggest to you that joking about race is something you need to be very careful about.

The bottom line is here is the guy who is, for now, THE voice of the Republican Party. So, everything he says can be taken for gospel unless he makes it very clear in advance he is not serious. He did not do so in this case.

Uh...yeah...he did, quite explicitly.

Liberals :rolleyes:

[Maelstrom]

Rush's listeners aren't so stupid as to be unable to detect sarcasm. Further... they already know that it's Colin Powell who is the "titular head of the Republican Party". :razz:

:))

[Maelstrom]

Did he say, "I'm only joking here" or is this a presumption on your part? If is the former, it is odd I can't see to find it on the web anywhere.

IT isn't so odd that you can't find it.

You're a liberal and aren't really looking for it.

[Maelstrom]

Even though I agree with the general sentiment that he was 99% likely to be joking, two thoughts...

1. That's a pretty ****ing stupid thing to joke about.

2. Since when is racism inborn?

If you had paid attention to the show, racism has been inborn ever since Time Magazine *said so*. :))

Geeze.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

If you had paid attention to the show, racism has been inborn ever since Time Magazine *said so*. :))

Geeze.

I can't pay attention to a show I don't listen to, and I don't care what Time Magazine says about it either.

Racism is no more inborn than my being an Eagles fan ( :( )

[chico53]

So Chico, is it your assertion then that Rush is a racist?

I don't hear enough of his show to know one way or the other. What I do know, though, is he uses commentary (some call it humor. I don't know so I will take their word for it) that can be considered racist in its base.

Can you honestly say a parody song called "Barack, The Magic Negro" doesn't have elements of race to it? I can't. But I admit to possibly being oversensitive to the subject because I grew up in inner city Detroit and saw how occasionally innocent comments inflamed racial tensions. Now throw in comments that are clearly meant to ridicule somebody and you have the basis for a real firestorm.

And that's my point. If are you going to make insinuations of any sort regarding an issue like this that can cause an uproar, you damn well better know what you are talking about. Mr. Limbaugh is no different than any other talk show host in that he has a lot of air time to fill and doesn't always have time to check his information. So he tosses out speculation and opinion and lets the chips fall where they may.

It's dangerous to do so when you don't know all the facts because, from what I can tell, Mr. Limbaugh's fans seem to believe everything he says is absolutely the gospel truth. What I can read, many don't go any farther than his say so on issues. That makes any comments he says on race potentially explosive. That's all.

[WildRose]

Did he say, "I'm only joking here" or is this a presumption on your part? If is the former, it is odd I can't see to find it on the web anywhere.Try actually listening to Rush's show rather than simply regurgitating the talking points from DU and KOS.

Here, I'll even help you.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_091809/content/01125112.guest.html

[JudasGoat]

Even though I agree with the general sentiment that he was 99% likely to be joking, two thoughts...

1. That's a pretty ****ing stupid thing to joke about.

2. Since when is racism inborn?

well, I can't cite it but a couple or 3 years ago some of those ivy league ****** bag libby professors had these "studies". 2 that come to mind immediately were
a. conservatives were more likely to be racists (and a similar one saying the same about republicans
b. white people by nature are racist and just don't even realize it. They either wilingly or obliviously take advantage of or by 'white privalege'.

Then there was that beyond moronic article in newsweek with the blatantly racist cover regarding white babies just being born racist.

And as someone else said, I think he was using absurdity to point out absurdity.

[WildRose]

Can you honestly say a parody song called "Barack, The Magic Negro" doesn't have elements of race to it?
Do a quick google search for "Barack the Magid Negro" and see where it originated. Then come back and tell us about it's racial roots.:rolleyes:

[Maelstrom]

I can't pay attention to a show I don't listen to, and I don't care what Time Magazine says about it either.

Racism is no more inborn than my being an Eagles fan ( :( )

Well then obviously you don't know anything you're talking about.

Yet you posted about it anyway.

D'Oh!

[Maelstrom]

I don't hear enough of his show to know one way or the other. What I do know, though, is he uses commentary (some call it humor. I don't know so I will take their word for it) that can be considered racist in its base.

Can you honestly say a parody song called "Barack, The Magic Negro" doesn't have elements of race to it? I can't. But I admit to possibly being oversensitive to the subject because I grew up in inner city Detroit and saw how occasionally innocent comments inflamed racial tensions. Now throw in comments that are clearly meant to ridicule somebody and you have the basis for a real firestorm.

And that's my point. If are you going to make insinuations of any sort regarding an issue like this that can cause an uproar, you damn well better know what you are talking about. Mr. Limbaugh is no different than any other talk show host in that he has a lot of air time to fill and doesn't always have time to check his information. So he tosses out speculation and opinion and lets the chips fall where they may.

It's dangerous to do so when you don't know all the facts because, from what I can tell, Mr. Limbaugh's fans seem to believe everything he says is absolutely the gospel truth. What I can read, many don't go any farther than his say so on issues. That makes any comments he says on race potentially explosive. That's all.

So, you don't know all the facts.

D'Oh!

Oh...by the by...it only took a few minutes to find the *actual* and *complete* transcript of the show:
http://directed-by.blogspot.com/2009_09_17_archive.html

Now, I am pretty darn sure you aren't going to look up the song "Barak the Magic Negro", yet you're going to go on and on about it anyway, without knowing any of the facts.

The name for Obama came from a liberal writer, who was himself "black", in a liberal paper, the LA Times. You don't know anything about it, but you want to say there's a racist overtone to the song. There isn't...it is a parody of those who wrote the article, the actual racists...demonstrating their hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty.

The song isn't about race. It's about liberalism.

[Bluesgtr44]

I don't hear enough of his show to know one way or the other. What I do know, though, is he uses commentary (some call it humor. I don't know so I will take their word for it) that can be considered racist in its base.

Can you honestly say a parody song called "Barack, The Magic Negro" doesn't have elements of race to it? I can't. But I admit to possibly being oversensitive to the subject because I grew up in inner city Detroit and saw how occasionally innocent comments inflamed racial tensions. Now throw in comments that are clearly meant to ridicule somebody and you have the basis for a real firestorm.

And that's my point. If are you going to make insinuations of any sort regarding an issue like this that can cause an uproar, you damn well better know what you are talking about. Mr. Limbaugh is no different than any other talk show host in that he has a lot of air time to fill and doesn't always have time to check his information. So he tosses out speculation and opinion and lets the chips fall where they may.

It's dangerous to do so when you don't know all the facts because, from what I can tell, Mr. Limbaugh's fans seem to believe everything he says is absolutely the gospel truth. What I can read, many don't go any farther than his say so on issues. That makes any comments he says on race potentially explosive. That's all.

OK, so we have some huge megalopolises (Detroit, Chicago, N.Y.C.) that have heavier racial issues than the rest of the country. So, instead of trying to figure out why these places SUCK!........we should all bow down to these hemmoroids on the overall of the american landscape......for a few racially sensitive individuals such as yourself.

Now, if you can't see the bigger problem in what you want to do here....I can't help you. Yours is not the solution....it is an exacerbation of the overall problem that Rush has pointed out in his typical humerous way. Why? Because to the rest of us who don't live in these bastions of racial crap, it's funny! Like I pointed out.....they have become that of which they hated! Their industries of race are the new "big oil" corporations.

[Maelstrom]

It's also in the follow-up:

http://directed-by.blogspot.com/2009_09_18_archive.html

RUSH: You know, now, that last voice was Kate Snow, and she actually called the office yesterday. She called H.R., and H.R., chief of staff, said, "You're missing the point. This was cynicism. This was sarcasm." And what it was really about, what they've all left off of this -- and I don't think they even know, I think they get whatever news sources, Media Matters, the slime pit, or maybe the Huffington Puffington Post, whatever it is. But remember, folks, what drove all this yesterday, this was hilarious, was Newsweek, Newsweek magazine saying that we're born racist. We're born racist. Oh, white children are born racist, not all, not we, white kids are born racist. And by six months, I mean they're able to distinguish black from white and yellow and brown and they know to hate everybody. And parents are at a stand still, don't know what to do about it. It's a Newsweek story! Newsweek earlier this summer said we're all socialists, now they say all white kids, all white babies are racists, I'm playing off of that. Okay, it's Obama's America, he is the president, and it's all racism, everything is now on race. So they're purposely getting this wrong, but it's funny to watch because it's so predictable. Now, here's Kate Snow who says even if I was doing a send-up, even if I was being sarcastic, it's still racist.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

well, I can't cite it but a couple or 3 years ago some of those ivy league ****** bag libby professors had these "studies". 2 that come to mind immediately were
a. conservatives were more likely to be racists (and a similar one saying the same about republicans)
b. white people by nature are racist and just don't even realize it. They either wilingly or obliviously take advantage of or by 'white privalege'.

Then there was that beyond moronic article in newsweek with the blatantly racist cover regarding white babies just being born racist.

And as someone else said, I think he was using absurdity to point out absurdity.

Oy...

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Well then obviously you don't know anything you're talking about.

Yet you posted about it anyway.

D'Oh!

I spoke to the quotes posted.