If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

[the trade]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

[croupier101]

Ron Paul is those things, and he got less then 1%. So obviously, the answer would be no for 99% of people. You could be an exception though.

[PSBandit]

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

Emmm you still talking about BHO? If so.....

Charismatic? The ears and perma zit near his nose right?
Charming? Must be the class, race and gender warfare cards he plays?
Articulate? Have you seen BHO off teleprompter?

:whistle:

[the trade]

Ron Paul is those things, and he got less then 1%. So obviously, the answer would be no for 99% of people. You could be an exception though.

With all due respect, Croup...the question was "If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?"

My personal commentary might be confusing to some and I appreciate your feedback.

[WildRose]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.He ran as a fiscally conservative social "moderate" in the general election after running as far left as possible in order to get the nomination.

Obviously that's now how he's going to govern.

I'm sorry but the modern definition of "social moderate" is not an ideology I can stomach because it is the antithesis of a constitutional conservative, hence fiscal conservative.

By the modern definitions of fiscal conservative and "social moderate" no I could not support him or anyone else.

[the trade]

He ran as a fiscally conservative social "moderate" in the general election after running as far left as possible in order to get the nomination.

I'm sorry but the modern definition of "social moderate" is not an ideology I can stomach because it is the antithesis of a constitutional conservative, hence fiscal conservative.

Please stay on topic.

I know he's not a conservative.

If he were a TRUE conservative, would you support him?

Its a simple question.

[croupier101]

With all due respect, Croup...the question was "If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?"

My personal commentary might be confusing to some and I appreciate your feedback.

oh, sorry you were asking a question. I would be in the 99% that said no. conservatives are scary.

[sgdp]

Of course not. He's black.

[hatman]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to ***** do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

I'm a fiscal conservative/social moderate, so yes, I would.

Please remove the filter bypass.

[croupier101]

Of course not. He's black.

i don't think he's black in this hypothetical. the OP said he was a conservative.

[the trade]

oh, sorry you were asking a question. I would be in the 99% that said no. conservatives are scary.

Thanks for your honest answer Croup. You are true to form.

Just curious...would you be surprised if 99% of the answers to this thread (from known conservatives) is yes?

[sgdp]

i don't think he's black in this hypothetical. the OP said he was a conservative.

Scha-WING!

[croupier101]

Thanks for your honest answer Croup. You are true to form.

Just curious...would you be surprised if 99% of the answers to this thread (from known conservatives) is yes?

no, i wouldn't be surprised. conservatives say one thing and do another all the time. they will say they would support him, and then vote for McCain instead.

[Fitz]

If Unicorns were pancakes, would rabbits float?

[sgdp]

no, i wouldn't be surprised. conservatives say one thing and do another all the time. they will say they would support him, and then vote for McCain instead.

Hypocrisy knows no boundaries, limits, or confines.

[hatman]

If Unicorns were pancakes, would rabbits float?

I was thinking of something similar, but you beat me to it.
:))

[WildRose]

Please stay on topic.

I know he's not a conservative.

If he were a TRUE conservative, would you support him?

Its a simple question.If he was a true conservative I would gladly support him. However that's NOT the question you asked:
If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself


which is why I gave you a reasoned response in accordance with the original question.

[WildRose]

no, i wouldn't be surprised. conservatives say one thing and do another all the time. they will say they would support him, and then vote for McCain instead.Really? Which conservative candidate have conservatives gotten behind, and then trown under the bus?

[hailreagan]

Yes I would.

Liberals are scary. For evidence, just check out the Democrats and their drunk with power actions. It is like they are going from a playbook on how to implode in record time.

It makes me sad.......like a Nancy Pelosi yesterday, my voice is about to quiver......

[croupier101]

Really? Which conservative candidate have conservatives gotten behind, and then trown under the bus?

Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo.
Total Votes: 2%


John McCain
Total Votes: 42%

Even conservatives won't vote for conservatives, why the hell would anyone else.

[the trade]

Wow Croup, HailReagan, Proud Mom

So cynical

Forget the election. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama was a duly elected Republican conservative, with similar policies as Reagan.

Would you support him?

[rickallen]

If dog vomit was carmel corn would you eat it? The question is ridiculous. Yes if he was the exact opposite politically of course conservatives would vote for him.

[Fitz]

I was thinking of something similar, but you beat me to it.
:))
For me it's surprisingly difficult to come up with random things like that.

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Wow Croup, HailReagan, Proud Mom

So cynical

Forget the election. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama was a duly elected Republican conservative, with similar policies as Reagan.

Would you support him?
Did he hang out with Ayers during tea time?

[croupier101]

Forget the election. Let's assume for the sake of argument that Obama was a duly elected Republican conservative, with similar policies as Reagan.

Would you support him?

Well, now you have changed the question. In the OP you said to assume he was a fiscal conservative. Then in this post you want us to pretend he is like Reagan.

Which is it?

[the trade]

The question is ridiculous. Yes if he was the exact opposite politically of course conservatives would vote for him.

Why is the question ridiculous? That is exactly my point. You are the first person to directly answer and I wish more national news commentators would make this case.

Interesting how folks from both side of the spectrum deflected, wise-assed, or otherwise missed the point of the original question, don't you think?

[the trade]

Well, now you have changed the question. In the OP you said to assume he was a fiscal conservative. Then in this post you want us to pretend he is like Reagan.

Which is it?

Actually, in the original post, in bold, I asked:

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Then everything got twisted.

Any suggestion on how to get back on the original topic my liberal friend?

[Proud Mom and Teacher]

Why is the question ridiculous? That is exactly my point. You are the first person to directly answer and I wish more national news commentators would make this case.

Interesting how folks from both side of the spectrum deflected, wise-assed, or otherwise missed the point of the original question, don't you think?
Are you serious?

[rickallen]

There are several black conservatives. And they are certainly welcomed by fellow conservatives but are treated horribly by the left. Clarence Thomas anyone? Condoleza Rice? They are called uncle Toms by the left and their careers and lives are under constant attack. Liberals only like black politicians that do what they are told.

[croupier101]

Actually, in the original post, in bold, I asked:

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Then everything got twisted.

Any suggestion on how to get back on the original topic my liberal friend?

Actually in your OP you said:

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative

Then later you asked if he is like Reagan.

So I got confused. Reagan or fiscal conservative?

[fjccommish]

"In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W."

George, as he himself said, was bad with prepared speeches. But he was good off the cuff. Obama is never off the cuff. I can't call a guy articulate who reads other people's speeches by mistake.

The great articulate speaker thanked himself for inviting himself to the White House.

[croupier101]

There are several black conservatives. And they are certainly welcomed by fellow conservatives but are treated horribly by the left. Clarence Thomas anyone? Condoleza Rice? They are called uncle Toms by the left and their careers and lives are under constant attack. Liberals only like black politicians that do what they are told.

it usually isn't a good sign if you can actually name them all. Just sayin.

[WildRose]

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?No, that isn't the OP. That was the thread title....

This was the OP question.


If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself,
Perhaps that's why it's all twisted up.

[rickallen]

it usually isn't a good sign if you can actually name them all. Just sayin.

Ya, I forget to mention the CHAIRMAN OF THE RNC

[WildRose]

Fred Thompson, Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo.
Total Votes: 2%


John McCain
Total Votes: 42%

Even conservatives won't vote for conservatives, why the hell would anyone else.Ron paul is not a conservative, he's a fiscal conservative and socially liberal as all hell.

Thomspon and Tancredo as far as I can tell have never been resoundingly backed by conservatives on the whole, but I have and would vote for Thompson again, in the primaries, even though I think neither of them are electable.

Neither has been thrown under the bus however by conservatives. Again you make the mistake of equating conservatives and republicans as though they are synonymous which they of course are not.

Neither of those two has ever amassed enough of a war chest or grass roots organization in the early primary states to build a consensus thus they are finished before "Super Tuesday" even gets here.

[WildRose]

it usually isn't a good sign if you can actually name them all. Just sayin.
Since we obviously can't name them all we must be doing something right then....

[the trade]

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him? If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to f-ing do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

- - - - - - -

Guys, there are only 2 sentences in my original post with question marks at the end. One is the subject title, and the other is the only question in the OP.

Stop spinning, puh-leeeez!

[the trade]

Does he have the same history/associates that he has now?

A legitimate question.

Let's say he has the same history/associates as Bush, Romney, or Palin. What would your answer be?

[PaleoPaul]

Does he have the same history/associates that he has now?
Uh...if Obama were a conservative, I don't think he'd have very many Marxist associates, if any at all...

[PaleoPaul]

Ron paul is not a conservative, he's a fiscal conservative and socially liberal as all hell.
To the last part (because "true conservative" has become so relative these days):

Ron Paul isn't a social liberal...quite the opposite.

He's not Christian Right material, but he's got quite the social con views of his own. He believed Lawrence v. Texas usurped state and local rights to regulate their moral bases. He even tried to introduce a pro-life act in Congress one time. He voted to ban gay partners from adopting in DC.

A true social liberal would have praised Lawrence as "the end of those Bible-toting rednecks intruding on the lives of people who love each other" or some such. A true social liberal would want gay partners to adopt in DC...after all, every couple can love and take care of children, right? A true social liberal would condemn Paul as "anti-choice" and "anti-woman" for such an act even being THOUGHT OF.

So, in your infamous, trademark phrase...

FAIL.

[Ninjacorpse]

If i could believe that he supported the same things I do, I would support him.

[ISYairio]

I see.... a tear in the universe. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

(If Obama was a conservative.... doesn't matter, he isn't.)

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Any partisan here who voted for McCain already voted for an Obama-like politician. Except for personality and foreign policy, they're pretty much the same cat.

Spin to follow...

[ScottFree]

If you meant to ask... "If the only thing separating Obama from myself was the color of his skin, would I support him?" My answer is yes, absolutely.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Man, this place talks about race more than Jesse and Al combined.

[ScottFree]

No, that isn't the OP. That was the thread title....

This was the OP question.

Perhaps that's why it's all twisted up.

No, that was not the question.

The question was If Obama was a conservative, would you support him? (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=61281411#post61281411)

You have taken this poster's opinion of the type of individual he feels he could support regardless of race, and made it the question.

[ScottFree]

Ron Paul is those things, and he got less then 1%. So obviously, the answer would be no for 99% of people. You could be an exception though.


Project much?

I was not a Paul supporter in the last election, Still, it would be interesting to see the percentage of Ron Paul support in a Post-Obama, Post-Modern-Tea party, America. Say... if the election were held this past Tuesday.

[Jacksmyname]

Ron Paul is those things, and he got less then 1%. So obviously, the answer would be no for 99% of people. You could be an exception though.

While Ron Paul may be right about some issues, he's still a fruitcake which is why he got so little support.
While there are issues I can agree on with Obama, he's still a socialist, borderline Marxist, who looks at America with disdain (as does his wife), and has lied through his teeth so many times he now believes his own ********.
As to the question, yep, I'd support him if he was a conservative.

[jeepers]

Yes, I would. It's sort of a no-brainer: Would you vote for Obama if he completely agreed with you.

Uh, yeah...

[BillyBobUSA]

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Well as long as he wasnt for free trade, yes.

But in that case he never would have been elected in the first place.

[Milkoz]

Of course not. Now put (R) instead of (D) and the right will embrace healthcare reform as the most conservative thing to do.

[johnrocks]

Sure,I'd vote for him, one of my all time favorites is Walter Williams, he could be President for the next 8 years and I'd be happy with it.

[johnrocks]

Ron Paul is those things, and he got less then 1%. So obviously, the answer would be no for 99% of people. You could be an exception though.

He ran in a Party controlled by the neo element , David Duke could have gotten more support at the million man march than Paul could in a Party who loves the likes of Cheney and Paul Wolfowitch.

[don_p]

Ron Paul is those things, and he got less then 1%. So obviously, the answer would be no for 99% of people. You could be an exception though.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

Ron Paul is charismatic and charming? Are you trying to be funny?

[TRIMS713]

Of course not. Now put (R) instead of (D) and the right will embrace healthcare reform as the most conservative thing to do.
lol-----the right DOES embrace healthcare reform---the right rejects universal solialized, government run healthcare reform.

[Milkoz]

lol-----the right DOES embrace healthcare reform---the right rejects universal solialized, government run healthcare reform.
Because democrat proposed it.

[johnrocks]

Because democrat proposed it.

I can swear on my Dad's grave that I wouldn't support it but I understand where your coming from, I've debated Republicans who;to this day; defend Medicare Part "D".

[TRIMS713]

Because democrat proposed it.

You seem to be judging the R's on what they did under Bush, they learned their lesson. We have one party who learned their lesson while the other has learned nothing,in fact they got much worse.

[Milkoz]

I can swear on my Dad's grave that I wouldn't support it but I understand where your coming from, I debated a "conservative" here just yesterday as he was defending Medicare Part D.
Well I was talking about those "conservatives". ;)

[Milkoz]

You seem to be judging the R's on what they did under Bush, they learned their lesson. We have one party who learned their lesson while the other has learned nothing,in fact they got much worse.
Republicans learned? Ha ha ha :))

[johnrocks]

You seem to be judging the R's on what they did under Bush, they learned their lesson. We have one party who learned their lesson while the other has learned nothing,in fact they got much worse.

I hope they've learned their lesson, 2010 may tell us how much if the voters replace liberals(regardless of party) with conservatives(regardless of party)

[johnrocks]

Well I was talking about those "conservatives". ;)

lol, I understand. I have begun calling myself a RINO, I'm on the outside looking in at a madhouse that I used to be proud to call my home.

[rhet 2]

Of course not. Now put (R) instead of (D) and the right will embrace healthcare reform as the most conservative thing to do.

FREE and UNIVERSAL healthcare?

That includes ALL citizens, not just a handful of pet baby puppies who cannot and will not even try to "make it" on their own but prefer to live off what others earn by honest sweat while they "hang" with their "buds" and zombie on crack and weed and cheap booze?

I'm getting just a damned bit sick and tired of the Left's class snobbery that adores the poor and shoves hard-working honest folks to the bottom of the **** pile.

All so that the House of Snarling Bitch Lawyers can **** on everybody less "noble by political party allegiance" than the Bastards of Injustice and Inequality in the Society of Predatory Leeches called "liberalism" instead of it's proper name, Marxist Failed Incompetent ********ters Association.

If Democrats stopped trying to shove pre-Roman elitist social brutality and savageries as old as Cromagnon Man down our throats with their corruption of justice and education, they'd actuallly be half-human instead of 9/10 irrational and insane destroyers of civilization.

If Barak Obama were dipped in solid gold to gleam in the "dawn's early light," he'd still be as evil and corrupt and degraded a sub-human with the heart of a moldy pile of buzzard **** -- because neither he nor any one of his supporters actually respects the most significant difference between predatory bestiality and human dignity and honor, which is RESPECT FOR OTHERS, especially those who choose a different way of life than they have indulged in.

The modern Democrat's most destructive character trait: proud elitist arrogant class snobbery which leads to scorn for and will to destroy anyone who refuses to kiss their fat egos and submit to their supreme power over all humanity.

Greed for power
Greed for stolen money
Greed for social superiority as the "new nobility" by political party instead of by genetics

"The new Jesuit Priesthood of the Liberal Inquisition" -- that's all these humanity-hating criminalized animals on the Left really are, just a bunch of social predators hunting their next prey

[Milkoz]

FREE and UNIVERSAL healthcare?

That includes ALL citizens, not just a handful of pet baby puppies who cannot and will not even try to "make it" on their own but prefer to live off what others earn by honest sweat while they "hang" with their "buds" and zombie on crack and weed and cheap booze?

I'm getting just a damned bit sick and tired of the Left's class snobbery that adores the poor and shoves hard-working honest folks to the bottom of the **** pile.

All so that the House of Snarling Bitch Lawyers can **** on everybody less "noble by political party allegiance" than the Bastards of Injustice and Inequality in the Society of Predatory Leeches called "liberalism" instead of it's proper name, Marxist Failed Incompetent ********ters Association.

If Democrats stopped trying to shove pre-Roman elitist social brutality and savageries as old as Cromagnon Man down our throats with their corruption of justice and education, they'd actuallly be half-human instead of 9/10 irrational and insane destroyers of civilization.

If Barak Obama were dipped in solid gold to gleam in the "dawn's early light," he'd still be as evil and corrupt and degraded a sub-human with the heart of a moldy pile of buzzard **** -- because neither he nor any one of his supporters actually respects the most significant difference between predatory bestiality and human dignity and honor, which is RESPECT FOR OTHERS, especially those who choose a different way of life than they have indulged in.

The modern Democrat's most destructive character trait: proud elitist arrogant class snobbery which leads to scorn for and will to destroy anyone who refuses to kiss their fat egos and submit to their supreme power over all humanity.

Greed for power
Greed for stolen money
Greed for social superiority as the "new nobility" by political party instead of by genetics
:((

[rhet 2]

I hope they've learned their lesson, 2010 may tell us how much if the voters replace liberals(regardless of party) with conservatives(regardless of party)

The CEOs of the DNC, risk their wealth in an honest election?

Given the savageries of 2008, you really expect an HONEST election in 2010?

Me, I'm looking forward to guns Hussein-style standing over us in voting booths next time around.

The Left CANNOT win by honest voting -- therefore, the Power Mad Elitist Class Haters are not about to allow honest voting to risk their Bank Accounts -- they might have to give up their 100 dollar steaks, their palaces, and their rich ugly bitch clothing allowances if they can't get their fat worthless snob asses reelected, you know.

[TRIMS713]

You seem to be judging the R's on what they did under Bush, they learned their lesson. We have one party who learned their lesson while the other has learned nothing,in fact they got much worse.
Let me add for those who say there's no difference between the R's and D's. Ask yourself who controlled the House during th late 90's and why we actually had a surplus. It wasn't because of the Clinton administration. Clinton had a democratic controlled congress from 1992-1994 and it was a disaster. It took Newt and the boys to win over 50 seats in the House and take control of the purse strings or this country would have been broke long ago. The same with Jimmy Carter,it was One Party Rule under him like it is now----another disaster. So other than what the R's did under Bush, I don't want to hear garbage that there's no difference between the R's and D's,it's total BS.

[rhet 2]

Let me add for those who say there's no difference between the R's and D's. Ask yourself who controlled the House during th late 90's and why we actually had a surplus. It wasn't because of the Clinton administration. Clinton had a democratic controlled congress from 1992-1994 and it was a disaster. It took Newt and the boys to win over 50 seats in the House and take control of the purse strings or this country would have broke long ago. The same with Jimmy Carter,it was One Party Rule under him like it is now----another disaster. So other than what the R's did under Bush, I don't want to hear garbage that there's no difference between the R's and D's,it's total BS.

I have not forgotten the CRA ripoffs, no.

When men like Frank are forced to cough up the money they stole from the poor, that money returned to the desperate they conned into worthless real estate scams, then I'll give the DNC a second look.

JUSTICE demands that bastard and a hell of a lot of his Good Buddies rot in an orange prison suit where they can't sink their bloodsucking talons into still more helpless victims of their GREED.

[johnrocks]

Let me add for those who say there's no difference between the R's and D's. Ask yourself who controlled the House during th late 90's and why we actually had a surplus. It wasn't because of the Clinton administration. Clinton had a democratic controlled congress from 1992-1994 and it was a disaster. It took Newt and the boys to win over 50 seats in the House and take control of the purse strings or this country would have broke long ago. The same with Jimmy Carter,it was One Party Rule under him like it is now----another disaster. So other than what the R's did under Bush, I don't want to hear garbage that there's no difference between the R's and D's,it's total BS.

Government works best when one party controls Congress and the other controls the WH,imho, it took 2006 to get Bush to veto something, it took a monumental ass whuppin in 2006 AND 2008 for the GOP to start "acting" more fiscally responsible, time will tell, I do hope that they've learned their lesson.

[johnrocks]

The CEOs of the DNC, risk their wealth in an honest election?

Given the savageries of 2008, you really expect an HONEST election in 2010?

Me, I'm looking forward to guns Hussein-style standing over us in voting booths next time around.

The Left CANNOT win by honest voting -- therefore, the Power Mad Elitist Class Haters are not about to allow honest voting to risk their Bank Accounts -- they might have to give up their 100 dollar steaks, their palaces, and their rich ugly bitch clothing allowances if they can't get their fat worthless snob asses reelected, you know.

I'm just looking forward to the day when partisan hacks stop blaming everything bad on the other guy and defending everything their guys do. I'm not talking about you or any one person however I see it happen all the time.

Knock spending but defend Bush's spending, using the war as the reason, ignoring Medicare "D", increase in foreign aid, no child left behind and a host of other things,let alone borrowing billions from our enemies to wage war in the first place, want war, pay for it, want to spread Democracy,pay for it, want domestic programs, then pay for it, is that too much to ask for?

[rhet 2]

I'm just looking forward to the day when partisan hacks stop blaming everything bad on the other guy and defending everything their guys do. I'm not talking about you or any one person however I see it happen all the time.

Knock spending but defend Bush's spending, using the war as the reason, ignoring Medicare "D", increase in foreign aid, no child left behind and a host of other things,let alone borrowing billions from our enemies to wage war in the first place, want war, pay for it, want to spread Democracy,pay for it, want domestic programs, then pay for it, is that too much to ask for?

Look, Bush II is an heir of Hippie Adoration for INjustice and INequality, who screwed up big time when it came to a whole hell of a lot.

The invasion of Iraq was NOT one of them.

But refusing to confront and deal with the bloodsuckers of Mexico sure as hell was -- especially his refusal to deal with the Mexican bloodsucking predators on US soil -- which includes the slave-owners who drink peon blood-sweat-and-tears in order to live in palaces and eat 100 dollar steaks -- and wear the UGLIEST clothes ever seen, Ismelda Marcos style.

[johnrocks]

Look, Bush II is an heir of Hippie Adoration for INjustice and INequality, who screwed up big time when it came to a whole hell of a lot.

The invasion of Iraq was NOT one of them.

But refusing to confront and deal with the bloodsuckers of Mexico sure as hell was -- especially his refusal to deal with the Mexican bloodsucking predators on US soil -- which includes the slave-owners who drink peon blood-sweat-and-tears in order to live in palaces and eat 100 dollar steaks -- and wear the UGLIEST clothes ever seen, Ismelda Marcos style.

Spending us into economic bankruptcy is spending us into economic bankruptcy irregardless of the reason, if you think Iraq was justified, then pay for it just like people want the social programs to be paid for. Personally, I've opposed Iraq since it was only being talked about and am convinced it's the main reason Democrats are in charge right now but Republicans as a whole violated the trust of the voters, they were put in control to reign in government , to control spending, to have a strong defense but also to be a power that earned respect from the world community as opposed to saber rattling and demanding respect and they got booted out and they deserved to get the boot,imho.

Yes, I do hope that MY Party; the GOP has indeed woke up but if the blather that I hear and see from time to time is any indication , I have my doubts.

[Tex Mex]

Of course not. He's black. He is half White so we can at least support him half the way.

[drylok]

oh, sorry you were asking a question. I would be in the 99% that said no. conservatives are scary.

Could you give an example of a conservative value that is scarey?

Yes I woul support Obama if he were a constitutionalist.

[TRIMS713]

Government works best when one party controls Congress and the other controls the WH,imho, it took 2006 to get Bush to veto something, it took a monumental ass whuppin in 2006 AND 2008 for the GOP to start "acting" more fiscally responsible, time will tell, I do hope that they've learned their lesson.

I agree,as the old saying goes--"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -----when one party is in total control it's not good for the country. However, in defence of the R's they had very little experience in having total control the way they did under Bush,in fact I don't know if they EVER had total control before 2000,so they weren't used to having that much power. The dems on the other hand have had it many times in this country's history and it has never failed to do significant damage,each time the damage is greater.

Like I said before about the democratic party, instead of learning from their mistakes,they've gotten much worse and it's the worst it's ever been right now. Also----to be honest,the average voter never seems to learn from history,they too keep making the same mistakes over and over again by voting for One Party Liberal Rule which now has become One Party Socialist Rule.

[johnrocks]

I agree,as the old saying goes--"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -----when one party is in total control it's not good for the country. However, in defence of the R's they had very little experience in having total control the way they did under Bush,in fact I don't know if they EVER had total control before 2000,so they weren't used to having that much power. The dems on the other hand have had it many times in this country's history and it has never failed to do significant damage,each time the damage is greater.

Like I said before about the democratic party, instead of learning from their mistakes,they've gotten much worse and it's the worst it's ever been right now. Also----to be honest,the average voter never seems to learn from history,they too keep making the same mistakes over and over again by voting for One Party Liberal Rule which now has become One Party Socialist Rule.

I don't know if lack of experience is a sound defense, I've never held office but I can guarantee you that I would never vote for the crap coming out of D.C. these past several decades, regardless of the party arm twisting.

[the trade]

to the last part (because "true conservative" has become so relative these days):

Ron paul isn't a social liberal...quite the opposite.

He's not christian right material, but he's got quite the social con views of his own. He believed lawrence v. Texas usurped state and local rights to regulate their moral bases. He even tried to introduce a pro-life act in congress one time. He voted to ban gay partners from adopting in dc.

A true social liberal would have praised lawrence as "the end of those bible-toting rednecks intruding on the lives of people who love each other" or some such. A true social liberal would want gay partners to adopt in dc...after all, every couple can love and take care of children, right? A true social liberal would condemn paul as "anti-choice" and "anti-woman" for such an act even being thought of.

So, in your infamous, trademark phrase...

Fail.

+1

[muhadeeb99]

If Obama were conservative as the OP has suggested, one word no. In a conservative runoff vote between Obama or Steele I would pick Steele. Steele Has a better conservative background of experience and education. It makes no difference of the color of their skin. Like MLK inferred it's the content of their character that would determine my decision. Obama lacks the kind of character that I look for. Clearly to me Obama is a president in the second tier. Even if he were a conservative he exudes radical tones that turn me off. Obama is not a classical president.

[DougBH]

I guess I would support him. I still have a lot of unanswered questions about his background and accomplishments, if any. But if he were a conservative all of this would have been fully vetted by the press by now.

[opsyscw]

oh, sorry you were asking a question. I would be in the 99% that said no. conservatives are scary.
We are scary because most of us are white?

[samurai7]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to EDIT do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Fiscally conservative but "socially moderate?"

What the hell is that?

That's not conservative. :rolleyes:

And I voted for Ken Blackwell for Governor, while Democrats voted for lilly white Ted Strickland. So there's your answer.

And BTW, Ken Blackwell isn't "socially moderate."

Give me a freaking break! :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[opsyscw]

Getting back to the question, and getting back to Obama, even if he was a fiscial conservative, I could not support him.

He is character flawed. He is egotistic. He is arrogant. He is an elitist. He is a narcosist. He is all those things that are morally imoral in a person.

His politics aside, he is not a person who I would have as a friend, he is not a person I would even want to work with. He is not a person who I would want to "have my back" in a conflict.

There is just something about Obama, the person, that makes me very uncomfortable. The more I see of him, the more I get that feeling of discomfort.

He makes me feel the same way Jimmy Carter did and still does.

[Tex Mex]

Getting back to the question, and getting back to Obama, even if he was a fiscial conservative, I could not support him.

He is character flawed. He is egotistic. He is arrogant. He is an elitist. He is a narcosist. He is all those things that are morally imoral in a person.

His politics aside, he is not a person who I would have as a friend, he is not a person I would even want to work with. He is not a person who I would want to "have my back" in a conflict.

There is just something about Obama, the person, that makes me very uncomfortable. The more I see of him, the more I get that feeling of discomfort.

He makes me feel the same way Jimmy Carter did and still does. You could be interpreting having a backbone as being arrogant and egotistical. Strong leaders usually aren't going to have passive personalities. If they have ambition they are bound to think highly of themselves. Though Someone like Mahatma Gandhi would be an exception to that rule.

Unlike Bush, Obama could be a convincing conservative. A conservative Obama would have a better chance of convincing liberals to do what's best by cutting government spending.

[MoleUK]

It's not exactly a well kept secret that politicians in general are egotistical, arrogant and elitist, most of them just can't show it publicly.
For that matter, you shouldnt exactly be averse to having the president of the united states thinking he is better than you. He/She IS the president, they better have that kind of confidence in their abilities and leadership. If they don't think they are better than you, what the hell are the doing trying to lead a country of 300 million? What makes them any more suited and able than the average person on the street?

[nortman]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to ***** do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?
If he were a conservative and followed conservative principals, yes I would support him.


BTW, fix your filter bypass (where I left red *'s) before the mods ban you for it. They are not keen on filter bypasses, especially for that word.

[StoneScratcher]

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

If Obama was Jindal I wouldn't support him. If Obama were McCain, I wouldn't support him. If Obama were the Arnold, I wouldn't support him.

[Celtic Pax]

If :liar:bama were a conservative advocating the programs and bills he is presently advocating, I would not support him at all. Didn't support Bush ( I know, not a "real" conservative) on many issues either as I didn't support Reagan on a number of issues. I don't care what label a politico wears, it is what he/she does in office that I care about and will or will not support them on issues.

[Tex Mex]

If :liar:bama were a conservative advocating the programs and bills he is presently advocating, I would not support him at all. Didn't support Bush ( I know, not a "real" conservative) on many issues either as I didn't support Reagan on a number of issues. I don't care what label a politico wears, it is what he/she does in office that I care about and will or will not support them on issues. I think the point of the OP is that as a conservative, Obama wouldn't be advocating the bills he is presently advocating. Would Republicans be aggressively picking fault with his personal life if he was on their side?

[rhet 2]

I think the point of the OP is that as a conservative, Obama wouldn't be advocating the bills he is presently advocating. Would Republicans be aggressively picking fault with his personal life if he was on their side?

By "personal life" do you mean his close personal association with murderous and destructive humanity-hating filth and vermin like Wright and Ayers and Frank etc.?

"birds of a feather" -- regardless of his political party, buzzards and hyenas are still predatory bastards that feed on the weak and helpless -- including Stalin and Castro and Chavez and Odinga -- beginning with the FIRST total incompetent ******* lawyer, Karl Marx -- another CLASS HATING ARROGANT Social Snob full of his own stupid scorn for Others.

His Marxist ******** class hatreds and social snob mentality, whether Democrat or Republic deserves something besides utter disgust from honest humanitarians?

His scorn for the sanctity of ALL human life, for liberty, and for justice and equality among all men is as disgusting as any other brutal humanity-hating bastard of greed and destruction in human history.

And any political party that could serve such bitter and cruel destruction of life, liberty, and equality for all humanity is just plain disgusting, deserving of the exact same response as I give the emperors of ancient Rome -- who practiced the exact same brutal indifference to justice and compassion and simple "caritas" for all mankind.

[bigtwnvin]

This is a race loaded question. Based on Barry Soetoros so called "writings" he has never been nor could he even impersonate a conservative no matter how many lies to the contrary.
The schmo ran as a "moderate" and now look what he has been peddling.
If the morons that were mesmerized by his speeches took the time to read any of this mans books and voted for the good of the country instead of the hopes, lies and BS the media splashed daily, the fool would still be a worthless Senator from IL.

[ThinkingMan]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to <bypass> do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

I support anyone who is 1. a good role model and 2. supports policy good for the country

Like Palin. And Condi Rice, if she ever flipped her wig and decided to run.

Gasp! Both women, one black too - how could that be - he's a conservative!?!

Idiots.

[Sneaky SF Dude]

If Obama was a conservative without all the shady liaisons and wasn't hiding anything and was truly honorable and had experience and knew what he is talking about...



He would be JC Watts


And yes I would vote him like a lib in a graveyard with a clipboard.

[ThinkingMan]

<snip to focus>


And yes I would vote him like a lib in a graveyard with a clipboard.


Hilarious.

[Shawna]

Actually, in the original post, in bold, I asked:

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Then everything got twisted.

Any suggestion on how to get back on the original topic my liberal friend?

It gets twisted for a reason.

I think what you're getting at is "as a conservative, would you support and vote for a black man or woman who shares your ideology?" The answer for a majority of conservatives would be yes.

The reason it gets twisted is because liberals want to portray conservatives as racist and opposition to Obama as racist. That is the first tactic. When that fails and conservatives support a black conservative, the liberals attack the black conservative as not "really" being black.

Liberal racism is an ugly business, as ugly as any Klan movement ever was.

[rhet 2]

It gets twisted for a reason.

I think what you're getting at is "as a conservative, would you support and vote for a black man or woman who shares your ideology?" The answer for a majority of conservatives would be yes.

The reason it gets twisted is because liberals want to portray conservatives as racist and opposition to Obama as racist. That is the first tactic. When that fails and conservatives support a black conservative, the liberals attack the black conservative as not "really" being black.

Liberal racism is an ugly business, as ugly as any Klan movement ever was.

If they'd gone with a social egalitarian and humanist like Condi Rice or Colin Powell, I'd have voted for the Ds in a spllit nanosecond and danced with joy for the opportunity to do so.

If they'd nominated someone as honest, hard-working, and dedicated as the Black LADY who is my Obgyn doc, damned straight I'd have been out campaigning for her just as hard as I oppose the racist social snobberies and power-mad sociopathic humanity hating bastards currently in POSSESSION OF the Democrat Party.

Instead, they gave us a racist class-hating thief, liar, and devotee of social inequality and injustice as brutal and savage as his cousins in Africa where Black Tutsi murder Black Hutus and vice-versa because of Black on Black hatreds and because of sheer greed for money taken from producers by destructive gangs of thugs and killers.

Power does NOT make for social equity. "Might does NOT make right."

There was greater social equity in the 1950s and 1960s than there is in the 21st century -- because of "liberals" who destroy the innocent and helpless, feeding off the labor of others to enrich and ennoble themselves -- destroying the poor and the helpless for the sake of their own glory and power and social supremacy.

[WreckedParty]

If he were one of those "conservatives" that likes to run up the national debt while cutting off funding and taxes for said increases then no. If he were one to cut spending while cutting taxes then yes. If he opposed the bailout/stimulus mess i would be more supportive.

[agent_86]

i don't think he's black in this hypothetical. the OP said he was a conservative.

I think your post shows serious signs of racism. just sayin...

To the OP, yes I'd support a true conservative. To make the OP more interesting, if Barry had twin named Brian and he was a conservative I would support Brian. Of course he's have to have a record that could support his conservative-ness. IOW a known and tried quantity.

[Tex Mex]

By "personal life" do you mean his close personal association with murderous and destructive humanity-hating filth and vermin like Wright and Ayers and Frank etc.?

"birds of a feather" -- regardless of his political party, buzzards and hyenas are still predatory bastards that feed on the weak and helpless -- including Stalin and Castro and Chavez and Odinga -- beginning with the FIRST total incompetent ******* lawyer, Karl Marx -- another CLASS HATING ARROGANT Social Snob full of his own stupid scorn for Others.

His Marxist ******** class hatreds and social snob mentality, whether Democrat or Republic deserves something besides utter disgust from honest humanitarians?

His scorn for the sanctity of ALL human life, for liberty, and for justice and equality among all men is as disgusting as any other brutal humanity-hating bastard of greed and destruction in human history.

And any political party that could serve such bitter and cruel destruction of life, liberty, and equality for all humanity is just plain disgusting, deserving of the exact same response as I give the emperors of ancient Rome -- who practiced the exact same brutal indifference to justice and compassion and simple "caritas" for all mankind. I'm just speculating within the premise of the OP. Let's assume an imaginary conservative Obama had some past associations with a few unsavory characters on the extreme right. Would Republicans be able to downplay that as long as a charismatic conservative Obama was winning elections for the GOP?

[agent_86]

If Obama was a conservative without all the shady liaisons and wasn't hiding anything and was truly honorable and had experience and knew what he is talking about...



He would be JC Watts


And yes I would vote him like a lib in a graveyard with a clipboard.

:))

I like JC.

[SFC(R)L]

If obama were conservative, he would have never in a million years allowed himself to be involved with bill ayers, tony rezco, jermiah wright, or van jones.

[agent_86]

I'm just speculating within the premise of the OP. Let's assume an imaginary conservative Obama had some past associations with a few unsavory characters on the extreme right. Would Republicans be able to downplay that as long as a charismatic conservative Obama was winning elections for the GOP?

Well, be specific. Many feel the founders were "far right." Like who. Name an unsavory character so we can give it a yea or no.

[texashusker34]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

I will support anyone that pushes the following:

1. LIMITED GOVERNMENT
2. Cuts in spending (Fiscal Restraint)
3. Lowering taxes
4. STATES RIGHTS
5. Personal Responsibility
6. Strong Defense
7. Peace through strength
8. Mandatory Balanced Budget
9. Paying down the national debt
10. LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

I don't care if that person is green with red spots and herpes on his/her head... I just don't care. I want our country back.

[Tex Mex]

Well, be specific. Many feel the founders were "far right." Like who. Name an unsavory character so we can give it a yea or no. Well to keep the argument consistent, it would have to be someone with a reputation of a rev Wright or Bill Ayers or Fidel Castro but with a right wing agenda.

[agent_86]

Well to keep the argument consistent, it would have to be someone with a reputation of a rev Wright or Bill Ayers or Fidel Castro but with a right wing agenda.

Then no.

[MoleUK]

Well to keep the argument consistent, it would have to be someone with a reputation of a rev Wright or Bill Ayers or Fidel Castro but with a right wing agenda.


ie Heavy Ties with Pat Robertson and others of his ilk. It's not the same, but it's a fair comparison.

[agent_86]

ie Heavy Ties with Pat Robertson and others of his ilk. It's not the same, but it's a fair comparison.

I don't think its fair. PR has said some controversial things, but I don't think they rise to the significance of bombing your own government and blaming it for poisoning blacks.

I don't care for PR and don't really follow him so maybe I missed something...

[Tex Mex]

Then no. But what if he were significantly helping to win elections for conservatives and turning the tide to defeat the encroachment of socialist control in America? Would you be willing to throw that away because of some questionable associations in the past?

[agent_86]

But what if he were significantly helping to win elections for conservatives and turning the tide to defeat the encroachment of socialist control in America? Would you be willing to throw that away because of some questionable associations in the past?

I guess it depends on how bad the situation is.

But one man is not the battle.

[Tex Mex]

I guess it depends on how bad the situation is.

But one man is not the battle.If one man is not the battle, we are spending way to much time and energy with that one man.

I responded to an earlier post in this thread that expressed a disdain towards Obama's apparent egotistical arrogance. Obama is about the man. That's what I find creepy about him. He is a flim flam, music man constantly campaigning as a rock star motivational speaker. Even if Obama were a conservative, I feel he would need to be taken down a notch or two.

[bitterclinger84]

I would vote for anyone who's views I agreed with. Black, white, purple, pink, green, it really doesn't matter.

I'm so sick of this race crap I could spit.

[agent_86]

If one man is not the battle, we are spending way to much time and energy with that one man.

I responded to an earlier post in this thread that expressed a disdain towards Obama's apparent egotistical arrogance. Obama is about the man. That's what I find creepy about him. He is a flim flam music man constantly campaigning as a rock star motivational speaker. Even if Obam were a conservative, he needs to be taken done a notch or two.

In state we're in now. Obama is just the final puzzle piece. Marxists sit in all seats of power.

We let it get to this point. If it were just Obama it would be somewhat of a joke. Unfortunately few are laughing now.

[hamrs_62]

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

this is a contradiction in terms

[nortman]

If Obama was a conservative without all the shady liaisons and wasn't hiding anything and was truly honorable and had experience and knew what he is talking about...



He would be JC Watts


And yes I would vote him like a lib in a graveyard with a clipboard.Couldn't have said it better myself.

:))

[Satchmopants]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Your question is nonsensical.

It is about on the same vein as If worms had machine guns then birds wouldn't eat them.

[Roberts_the_man]

no, i wouldn't be surprised. conservatives say one thing and do another all the time. they will say they would support him, and then vote for McCain instead.



McCain isn't the problem nor is he part of the OP.

Most conservatives here didn't vote for McCain .

Although I did ...

I regret my vote for McCain but I knew that behind the moderate facade that Barry projected was a radical Marxist...



There were no electable conservative that ran as the presidential candidate from any party of any sex and/or color.

There wasn't even an middle of the road electable moderate presidential candidate from any party of any sex and/or color to vote for .

So?

The whole GE was a total sham.

But to keep to the OP theme :

I would have voted for Obama "IF" he would have been a fiscally and socially conservative candidate.

[AvgGuyIA]

Obama would still be a liar, so I couldn't support him even if he was a conservative. With 240,000,000 conservatives in this country, we could do a whole lot better than choosing Odumba.

[AvgGuyIA]

I will support anyone that pushes the following:

1. LIMITED GOVERNMENT
2. Cuts in spending (Fiscal Restraint)
3. Lowering taxes
4. STATES RIGHTS
5. Personal Responsibility
6. Strong Defense
7. Peace through strength
8. Mandatory Balanced Budget
9. Paying down the national debt
10. LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

I don't care if that person is green with red spots and herpes on his/her head... I just don't care. I want our country back.What if his 11th attribute was "A STINKIN' LOW-DOWN, DIRTY ROTTEN LIAR" - which is what Obama is, would you still support him even if he was good for the other 10?

[Roberts_the_man]

Obama would still be a liar, so I couldn't support him even if he was a conservative. With 240,000,000 conservatives in this country, we could do a whole lot better than choosing Odumba.

I forgot about the lies ...

So if he said he were a conservative he would really be a progressive ! :sick:

I must change my mind ....

So nope I could really vote for either !

[Tex Mex]

What if his 11th attribute was "A STINKIN' LOW-DOWN, DIRTY ROTTEN LIAR" - which is what Obama is, would you still support him even if he was good for the other 10? You mean you actually believe an honest person could get elected president?

[bitterclingerincalif]

Obama isn't a conservative so the question is moot.

[str8shtr1]

Government works best when one party controls Congress and the other controls the WH,imho, it took 2006 to get Bush to veto something, it took a monumental ass whuppin in 2006 AND 2008 for the GOP to start "acting" more fiscally responsible, time will tell, I do hope that they've learned their lesson.

Carter had a liberal congress and reduced the growth of US debt relative to GDP
Clinton had a conservative congress and reduced the growth of US debt relative to GDP

Reagan had a liberal congress and INCREASED the debt of the nation relative to GDP
Bush had a conservative congress and INCREASED the debt of the nation relative to GDP

Dick Cheney: "Deficits Don't Matter"

[Tex Mex]

Obama isn't a conservative so the question is moot. Other than Obama's liberalism is there anything else that would make you think he shouldn't be president?

[str8shtr1]

I will support anyone that pushes the following:

1. LIMITED GOVERNMENT
2. Cuts in spending (Fiscal Restraint)
3. Lowering taxes
4. STATES RIGHTS
5. Personal Responsibility
6. Strong Defense
7. Peace through strength
8. Mandatory Balanced Budget
9. Paying down the national debt
10. LIMITED GOVERNMENT.

I don't care if that person is green with red spots and herpes on his/her head... I just don't care. I want our country back.

You wont be voting for anyone republican or democrat in our lifetime IMHO.

The last 3 republican presidents have INCREASED debt relative to GDP and spent like drunken sailors.

Say what you want, there's no reason why anyone with sound logic should believe a republican when they say they're a fiscal conservative.

[str8shtr1]

If Obama was a conservative without all the shady liaisons and wasn't hiding anything and was truly honorable and had experience and knew what he is talking about...



He would be JC Watts


And yes I would vote him like a lib in a graveyard with a clipboard.

Why isn't JC Watts involved with the GOP any longer ? :)

[BigfootWRL]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

Well, I would have to hear his thoughts on the 2nd and property rights. You could be a fiscal conservative and still be a loon on some things I find important. I would like to hear states rights ideals of his. Now, I don't think I am social moderate so that would be hard for him to win me over, but if he said he would let the states decide on the social issues then he would have shot. His associations would still play a role, because he had no real experience, so I would have to look at his past and his associations. I am not talking about who he actually associated with in real life but in our make believe story. I think that is fair. It's what I would look at for anyone.

[notluzn]

NOpe, because I don't think policies like this should be any where in the United States no matter the party.

[DDawg]

OBAMA will NEVER get my support.
Alan Keyes, on the other hand, or Condi Rice ...

In a Heartbeat ...

Nice try LIBTARDS!

[DDawg]

Other than Obama's liberalism is there anything else that would make you think he shouldn't be president?

Like hey, just simply so us your "ORIGINAL" birth cirtificate ... Oh Wait ... too late for that one ... OBAMA had more than enough time to cover up that trail ....

[Jabbamagnus]

In some bizarro backwards world where Obama is a conservative.

Depending where he'd stand on the 2nd Amendment and a few other issues, I could vote for him.

BTW I could care less about charismatic, charming, articulate.

[BigfootWRL]

Ron paul is not a conservative, he's a fiscal conservative and socially liberal as all hell.

Thomspon and Tancredo as far as I can tell have never been resoundingly backed by conservatives on the whole, but I have and would vote for Thompson again, in the primaries, even though I think neither of them are electable.

Neither has been thrown under the bus however by conservatives. Again you make the mistake of equating conservatives and republicans as though they are synonymous which they of course are not.

Neither of those two has ever amassed enough of a war chest or grass roots organization in the early primary states to build a consensus thus they are finished before "Super Tuesday" even gets here.

I didn't get a chance to vote for Thompson, he was already out by the time the primaries hit Texas. I hate when people say the Republicans picked McCain, I had no choice.

[BigfootWRL]

Uh...if Obama were a conservative, I don't think he'd have very many Marxist associates, if any at all...

I was thinking along the same lines in my response. ;) Oh well for the sake of the thread, I guess he could be associated with evil big business guys like Mr. Burns on the Simpsons.:razz:

[BigfootWRL]

Because democrat proposed it.

Uh NO. Try again.

[Gabby]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

You are basically asking if we would support Obama if he were a different person than who he actually is.

I would give a very serious look at any candidate who is a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate. I pray that by the next election some candidate comes forward who is a charismatic, charming, articulate guy. Race means nothing to me.

By the way. I do not think that Obama is a charismatic, charming, articulate guy. I think that he was well packaged and can read a teleprompter very well. I've seen videos of him trying to talk without the teleprompter. He can hardly get a full sentence out half the time.

[spearmaster]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?

If Obama was a conservative I would support him. If he was for small government and a strong national defense who believed in letting the private sector recover the economy I would support him. But the reality is he is a far left radical who wants to transform the country to fit his and the far left's ideology so there fore I will never support him until he gets off the path he is currently on.

[byzantine catholic]

If Obama was a fiscal-conservative/social-moderate Libertarian, like myself, I would be a proud supporter of him.

In fact, I would prefer a charismatic, charming, articulate guy like him to represent my values vs. someone like George W.

But he doesn't. He's a left wing radical. My opposition to him is based solely on his politics. Race has NOTHING to Filter Bypass Removed do with it.

If Obama was a conservative, would you support him?If he was a conservative than yes I would have supported him but he is not.

[spearmaster]

Of course not. Now put (R) instead of (D) and the right will embrace healthcare reform as the most conservative thing to do.

Impossible. No true conservative would come with such a radical approach to health care reform. BUT If an (R) DID came up with the same steaming pile of crap reform that Obama has come up with, I would strongly oppose it as I do now and calling for that (R) to go fix the damn economy just as I do with Obama now.

[spearmaster]

Republicans learned? Ha ha ha :))

I think Democrats are about to learn to never attach themselves to the likes of Obama and Pelosi again. Obama will be your side's Bush.

[Physics Hunter]

If a possum was a chicken would I eat it...?

What!?!?!??!?

[Kelzan]

If Obama were Conservative I would support him. But he's not. He has fully embraced the looney tunes on the far left.

[bayoubill]

This is probably just about the dumbest thread question I've seen since I signed up in here nearly two and a half years ago...

and, believe me, I've seen plenty of dumb ones...

[Cletus Wilbury]

No.

Depending on how ones defines conservative, of course. I'm using the definition of conservative currently being demonstrated by the GOP.

Obama pointed out that in many countries his platform would be considered conservative, as center-right leaders have told him.

[Wookinstien]

Hell if he would have a policy that wasn't ******* crazy I would support him.

[Tex Mex]

If a possum was a chicken would I eat it...?

What!?!?!??!? The OP question is closer to an example of a sports fan who may despise a certain quarterback because he plays for a team that fan despises. But if that quarterback played on his favorite team and was winning games for his favorite team, his opinion would be different.

Where is the sharp, savvy, populist, charismatic leadership from the conservative ranks?

[Baltimore_Con]

If he says he was that and did the things he was doing then no I wouldn't. If he was a cons and though like a cons and did stuff like a cons would yes.

[texashusker34]

You wont be voting for anyone republican or democrat in our lifetime IMHO.

The last 3 republican presidents have INCREASED debt relative to GDP and spent like drunken sailors.

Say what you want, there's no reason why anyone with sound logic should believe a republican when they say they're a fiscal conservative.

Sorry but you're wrong.

Reagan tried to cut spending and fought Congress every step of the way. The CONSERVATIVE Congress in the late 90's held Clinton's feet to the fire and spending grew slower than any time in recent history. Not sure what the dolts in Congress have been doing for the last 8 years but in the last 6 months it's gone down the path of down right IDIOTIC.

[texashusker34]

What if his 11th attribute was "A STINKIN' LOW-DOWN, DIRTY ROTTEN LIAR" - which is what Obama is, would you still support him even if he was good for the other 10?

Yes. If he accomplishes the 10 points... I don't care if he screws goats. :)) If he helps us get our nation back onto the road of limited Government I will support him.

Unfortunately what you say is true but his policies are the primary reason I hate him being President.

[Lawson_Raider]

What is the OP original intent at asking an obvious question? Would you support Obama if he were a conservative? Is this some kind of "Feel sorry for Obama thing" or "Maybe Obama is not such a bad person after all"?

I think most of conservatives would support Obama if he were a conservative but however the fact is he is not so to ponder this question is fruitless. We'd all support Rosie O'Donnell if she was a conservative. Heck, we'd support Mickey Mouse if he were a conservative... The list goes on.

[texashusker34]

What is the OP original intent at asking an obvious question? Would you support Obama if he were a conservative? Is this some kind of "Feel sorry for Obama thing" or "Maybe Obama is not such a bad person after all"?

I think most of conservatives would support Obama if he were a conservative but however the fact is he is not so to ponder this question is fruitless. We'd all support Rosie O'Donnell if she was a conservative. Heck, we'd support Mickey Mouse if he were a conservative... The list goes on.

The point of the thread is to paint Conservatives as racists. See, you guys wouldn't even support him if you liked his policy, you're racists. Unfortunately for the OP, Conservatives are less racist than Libs. We simply have faith in our fellow Americans and tend to reject the idea that blacks need our help simply because they're black. They don't need our help, they're perfectly capable of doing it on their own. Libs are the ones that seem to interject race into the argument so my opinion is that it is THEY that are the racists.

[Tex Mex]

The point of the thread is to paint Conservatives as racists. I didn't want to go there but I am glad you did.

[jeepers]

I didn't want to go there but I am glad you did.


Nice. Didn't occur to me. I took it more like "if this candidate supported your own views, would you vote for him?'

I did not take it as 'if he called himself a conservative but had exactly the same views and policies, would you vote for him?' To that I would say, no.

Let me take that farther ... If Ronald Reagan came up with these policies, would you be against them?

...and my answer would be YES, I would be against them.

[Tex Mex]

Nice. Didn't occur to me. I took it more like "if this candidate supported your own views, would you vote for him?'

I did not take it as 'if he called himself a conservative but had exactly the same views and policies, would you vote for him?' To that I would say, no.

Let me take that farther ... If Ronald Reagan came up with these policies, would you be against them?

...and my answer would be YES, I would be against them. I took it more like a jab to point out possible jealousy . If Obama used the media the way he does but for a conservative agenda, would we find that objectionable. Would you be upset at the number of czars Obama takes advantage of if he were a conservative?

[Bluesgtr44]

oh, sorry you were asking a question. I would be in the 99% that said no. conservatives are scary.

Not as scary as liberals....and for reasons we don't even have to explain! Here....have another glass of that kool-aid, Croup.....

[DCinNC]

Yes obviously if he was not a liberal/Socialist/Communist or what have you it would change things.

[jeepers]

I took it more like a jab to point out possible jealousy . If Obama used the media the way he does but for a conservative agenda, would we find that objectionable. Would you be upset at the number of czars Obama takes advantage of if he were a conservative?

I think that if anyone yammers at me every day from the government, I'm going to lose patience. I don't need to see the President every damn day.

I also remember being concerned with the whole Dept of Homeland Security after 9/11, thing. Don't like the name, don't like the idea that we need a cabinet level position. It gave me the creeps and now I find it annoying but probably necessary for a team of people to focus on that.

I don't kneejerk my approval of politicians that I've voted for, but then again, I've never looked at any of them like my personal Jesus, either. I just hope for the best, but doesn't mean that they can't turn stinky or have misrepresented themselves, or (fill in the blank).

I can guarandamntee you this, if Bush was still in office and passed even one more thing that Obama has in this year, after the TARP fiasco, I would be screaming so loudly you could hear me down the block.

TARP left me speechless. I kept hoping that it was agood thing but the longer it went on the more terrible it was.

So yeah, I would have a problem with any or all of it. I'm one of those Reagan quoters that believe that government isn't the solution, it's the problem. I can get behind OSHA and regulations for safety, yaddayadda. But I don't believe in the government as an avenue for social engineering. Of which we've been inundated with this past year.

[Tex Mex]

I think that if anyone yammers at me every day from the government, I'm going to lose patience. I don't need to see the President every damn day.

I also remember being concerned with the whole Dept of Homeland Security after 9/11, thing. Don't like the name, don't like the idea that we need a cabinet level position. It gave me the creeps and now I find it annoying but probably necessary for a team of people to focus on that.

I don't kneejerk my approval of politicians that I've voted for, but then again, I've never looked at any of them like my personal Jesus, either. I just hope for the best, but doesn't mean that they can't turn stinky or have misrepresented themselves, or (fill in the blank).

I can guarandamntee you this, if Bush was still in office and passed even one more thing that Obama has in this year, after the TARP fiasco, I would be screaming so loudly you could hear me down the block.

TARP left me speechless. I kept hoping that it was agood thing but the longer it went on the more terrible it was.

So yeah, I would have a problem with any or all of it. I'm one of those Reagan quoters that believe that government isn't the solution, it's the problem. I can get behind OSHA and regulations for safety, yaddayadda. But I don't believe in the government as an avenue for social engineering. Of which we've been inundated with this past year. Fair enough. Even if he were a conservative, I still am turned off by Obama's showboat crisis management style. He does strike me as an egotistical used car salesman but then I feel we need a leader with confidence, just not a con artist. However I was also turned off by Bush's awkwardness. It took a terror attack to kick him in the head and take decisive action.