Facebook poll on acorn

[KEK]

FACEBOOK has a questionairre on it regaring which act is worse. Is a journalist who secretly tapes ACORN employees worse or is an ACORN employee advising how to break the laws worse?

Here are the results: 2% or 23 people said it is wrong for journalist to secretly tape ACORN. Wonderfully, 97% or 936 out of 959 people polled said it was wrong for ACORN employees advise people on how to break the laws.

My thoughts on this is I agree with the 97%, however, we should, as a country, start with secretly videotaping ACORN, and move on from there and start to tape MANY organizations who receive our tax dollars in funding.

Now there's a question! Should we or should we not secretly tape government funded organizations to see if they are crooked, slighted, evil or on the up and up? (Amazing how TRUE information comes out when people don't know they're being taped.) What are YOUR thoughts?

KEK

[Panhead0422]

FACEBOOK has a questionairre on it regaring which act is worse. Is a journalist who secretly tapes ACORN employees worse or is an ACORN employee advising how to break the laws worse?

Here are the results: 2% or 23 people said it is wrong for journalist to secretly tape ACORN. Wonderfully, 97% or 936 out of 959 people polled said it was wrong for ACORN employees advise people on how to break the laws.

My thoughts on this is I agree with the 97%, however, we should, as a country, start with secretly videotaping ACORN, and move on from there and start to tape MANY organizations who receive our tax dollars in funding.

Now there's a question! Should we or should we not secretly tape government funded organizations to see if they are crooked, slighted, evil or on the up and up? (Amazing how TRUE information comes out when people don't know they're being taped.) What are YOUR thoughts?

KEK

It's all a conspiracy, I tell ya'.:mrgreen:

[JudasGoat]

FACEBOOK has a questionairre on it regaring which act is worse. Is a journalist who secretly tapes ACORN employees worse or is an ACORN employee advising how to break the laws worse?

Here are the results: 2% or 23 people said it is wrong for journalist to secretly tape ACORN. Wonderfully, 97% or 936 out of 959 people polled said it was wrong for ACORN employees advise people on how to break the laws.

My thoughts on this is I agree with the 97%, however, we should, as a country, start with secretly videotaping ACORN, and move on from there and start to tape MANY organizations who receive our tax dollars in funding.

Now there's a question! Should we or should we not secretly tape government funded organizations to see if they are crooked, slighted, evil or on the up and up? (Amazing how TRUE information comes out when people don't know they're being taped.) What are YOUR thoughts?

KEK

that's good to hear. btw, how do you see the results of these polls? I've nebver been able to figure out how. It lets me take them but I never see what the results are..

[camarozz]

If you are not doing anything illegal, then there is no reason to worry about being secretly taped.

[neoINDIE]

If you are not doing anything illegal, then there is no reason to worry about being secretly taped.

Well there was that ESPN reporter in her hotel room...but at least it wasn't Dick Vitale...

[drylok]

We should be able to secretly tape government but they should not be able to secretly tape the people.

[camarozz]

Well there was that ESPN reporter in her hotel room...but at least it wasn't Dick Vitale...

Not aware of that, but I can see issues/ regulations about private homes, hotel rooms, and the like. Public officials and their offices should not be off limits.

[DLaw911]

There are limits on AUDIO tape recording and different rules apply to VIDEO and PHOTOGRAPHIC recording. Since the only issue here is what people SAID, I will address that.

The laws that apply are both state and federal. Most cases are prosecuted under state law. Most laws PROHIBIT the recording of the voice of another person in ANY situation in which a reasonable person would believe the conversation was private. These laws tend to be conservatively applied. For example, I once represented a client who was sent to a psychologist as part of a worker's comp claim for stress disability. The client took along a hidden tape recorder and taped the entire interview. The psychologist's report claims that client made damaging statements and recommended denial of employment. The client filed an appeal and attached a copy of the unedited tape. A week later the client was arrested for illegal audio recording. To add insult to injury the doctor, who had lied in her report, SUED my client for invasion of privacy. In the end my client did not get the job, received 36 months probation and a $1,000 fine and now has a felony record, and the case against the doctor was settled out of court. So, in the RIGHT case, illegal audio taping is treated very harshly EVEN THOUGH one party to the conversation knows it's being taped.

It does not matter if the person being taped is a doctor, lawyer, public official, member of the clergy or a bum on the street. There can always be a situation in which the person is asked to say something in which he reasonably believes the conversation is private or, at a minimum, cannot be tape recorded.

So let me give you another case. A police officer occasionally carries a hidden tape recorder and tapes traffic offeders making confessions. When he goes to court he plays the tape. That's fine because what one says to a police officer is not priviledged in any way. You cannot say to an officer, "Well just between you and me..." But what happens when it is the person STOPPED for a traffic violation who secretely tapes the officer? Well that boils down to state rules. The only case of which I am familiar is a man in a car who was talking to another person's voice mail using his hand's free cellphone Bluetooth device when he was pulled over. He continued to talk even as the officer approached who started the conversation by saying, "I stopped you for going 7 miles over the limit." The recording continued and the driver said to the officer, "It's legal, I was driving safely." The officer than said, "Well let's see you get out of this one" and wrote a ticket for going 25 miles over the speed limit. At the traffic trial the driver tried to play the tape and it was excluded. The judge admonished the defendant that if he tried to play the tape in court or anyplace he could and would be arrested. He lost the case and appealed and the Superior Court appellate department denied the appeal and commented that what the driver had done was illegal EVEN THOUGH he was already making a tape recording when the officer approached.

So how does all of this apply to ACORN. Frankly I doubt the conversations were protected. The greater issue in mind is whether or not the recording of a few ACORN employees should constitute an indictment on the entire group. After all, do we condemn all police officers when some go rogue? The fact is crooks work in every possible line of work. If I follow around enough people in the same line of work I am eventually going to catch one of them doing or saying something illegal. But what I don't do is divulge all the times nothing illegal was taped or recorded. This type of edited and selective journalism borders on being unethical and, at a minimum, should be revealed.

[KEK]

It had a button to click on to see if you wanted to see the results, that's all.

[KEK]

You got that right. Remember what they're doing is way out of line, also I'm sure it's not the first time they've done it, they sounded awfully familiar with themselves in talking about their suggestions.

[KEK]

As I understand ACORN is going to sue FOX news for showing it, even though they were the ones who didn't produce the videos.

ACORN has misplaced blame. Accept their faults and move on...turn the page and LEARN from this experience.

You know, kids on school buses are taped, and you're taped at any bank, government places such as administration buildings, as well as any mall around America, why not tape government funded places?

If it gets the dirt out, put the cameras in! In the long run...America will SAVE tons of money if we find out the truth about these places.

[KEK]

You think they don't secretly tape you in a hotel room? Trust me, it's done.

[DLaw911]

You think they don't secretly tape you in a hotel room? Trust me, it's done.That's got to be the 2nd craziest statement I have ever heard.

[DLaw911]

As I understand ACORN is going to sue FOX news for showing it, even though they were the ones who didn't produce the videos.

ACORN has misplaced blame. Accept their faults and move on...turn the page and LEARN from this experience.

You know, kids on school buses are taped, and you're taped at any bank, government places such as administration buildings, as well as any mall around America, why not tape government funded places?

If it gets the dirt out, put the cameras in! In the long run...America will SAVE tons of money if we find out the truth about these places.KEK you're talking about VIDEO taping. What does that have to do with AUDIO taping. The rules that apply are FAR different.

As an example in courtrooms it is common for SECURITY reasons to have cameras that are remotely monitored by court security. But the only time audio is broadcast is when a judge or bailiff hits a security button that transmits what is said so that assistance can be sent. Imagine audio taping attorneys talking with clients. There would be a due process lawsuit filed so fast they would have to tear down the building.

[DLaw911]

We should be able to secretly tape government but they should not be able to secretly tape the people.Tape them doing what?

[KEK]

Second craziest statement? Well, here's one for you. These are facts. Camera are placed in hotel rooms all over America. You just don't see them because they are now so small. There was a report on TV one time on how they hide them in lamps, molding, TV's, etc. You name it, they can hide it in it. Haven't you heard about the couple who went to rent an "X" rated videotape from a store while they were revisiting their honeymoon suite just to spice things up, and when they put the tape in, it was them on the videotape? YUP! So, you think it's funny? I doubt they felt it was funny.

You live in la-la land thinking you're not taped...cause you are, more than you think. I used to date a guy who was in security and I was AMAZED at all the ways one can be recorded. AUDIO or VIDEO.

Obviously ACORN was in the same La-La land you were in. Haha on them!

[KEK]

I think you need to watch Sean Hannity a little closer, everything I wrote was what I got from watching his show. Spend less time on this site and more time watching his show.