We're number 37 - we're the USA

[boysmom4]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

[GregMartin]

Look, heres a link that proves without a doubt and inarguably that the USA is by far #1 in healthcare.

Link (http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61108641&postcount=2)

The USA is #1 in Healthcare.

[Electromyographical Alien]

Thanks, my healthcare is wonderful and I don't have to be forced to pay much for other people.

I'd like the process streamlined a bit and it would be nice if it were cheaper (as with everything else) but overall I wouldn't take anything else.

[zantax]

Then move skippy. And the WHO is unreliable for a host of reasons.

[Electromyographical Alien]

Then move skippy. And the WHO is unreliable for a host of reasons.

Yeah, I haven't seen many people quoting the WHO lately.

[Joeybear23]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

Until other countries start using the full WHO standard for infant mortality the numbers are skewed.

And people also need to realize that race has a lot to do with infant mortality. Non-hispanic blacks, regardless of available health care and what country they live in, have a very high infant mortality rate as compared to hispanics, asians and whites. More research needs to be done with that to figure out why, but to ignore race as a factor is to lie with statistics.

[namjah]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4


I would say the quality of our health care is No. 1. It's the access to and affordability of our system that drags our numbers down.

[zantax]

I would say the quality of our health care is No. 1. It's the access to and affordability of our system that drags our numbers down.


Nope, compare our preventative care numbers to other countries, we cream Canada and the UK in percentage of people that get pap smears, mammograms and colo-rectal screenings for instance.

[Joeybear23]

Nope, compare our preventative care numbers to other countries, we cream Canada and the UK in percentage of people that get pap smears, mammograms and colo-rectal screenings for instance.

Not to mention cancer survival rates...

[Home of the FREE!]

Look, heres a link that proves without a doubt and inarguably that the USA is by far #1 in healthcare.

Link (http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61108641&postcount=2)

The USA is #1 in Healthcare.

LOL the only way this could have been better is with a big fat Rick Roll!

[Joeybear23]

I would say the quality of our health care is No. 1. It's the access to and affordability of our system that drags our numbers down.

Do you think the relative cost of healthcare in our country has anything to do with the quality of care?

Last I checked, college kids can spend upward of 200k to go through 4 years of college and a minimum of 4 years in medical school... You don't get that kind of monetary investment into a career path that does not promise high earnings.

[boysmom4]

Then move skippy. And the WHO is unreliable for a host of reasons.

Why doesn't it surprise me that this would be a response.

The first response is always if you don't like it then move and then of course you question the source of information.

You guys have got to get more original - kinda like the song.

[SGInWV]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

Really?

What country would you go to, to get your next surgery? Or which one would you let operate on your child, spouse or parent?

I bet you even you would not want to go anywhere else? If so, then go...

[zantax]

Why doesn't it surprise me that this would be a response.

The first response is always if you don't like it then move and then of course you question the source of information.

You guys have got to get more original - kinda like the song.

Lol, the source? You mean youtube? On second thought, don't move, you're entertaining.

[Gengar]

Yay, a youtube video! Nothing but truth at that Youtube place! All those videos are real!

[Electromyographical Alien]

Why doesn't it surprise me that this would be a response.

The first response is always if you don't like it then move and then of course you question the source of information.

You guys have got to get more original - kinda like the song.

What do you want us to say?

Your source of information has a history of being skewed for whatever reason. You want us to just forget about that?

[boysmom4]

Really?

What country would you go to, to get your next surgery? Or which one would you let operate on your child, spouse or parent?

I bet you even you would not want to go anywhere else? If so, then go...


Actually, a woman that lives near me is currently undergoing cancer treatments in Sweden because she couldn't get the experimental treatments approved here in the USA. According to her, these treatments are the only reason she's still alive.

[zantax]

Actually, a woman that lives near me is currently undergoing cancer treatments in Sweden because she couldn't get the experimental treatments approved here in the USA. According to her, these treatments are the only reason she's still alive.


So Obama is getting rid of the FDA?

[Gengar]

Actually, a woman that lives near me is currently undergoing cancer treatments in Sweden because she couldn't get the experimental treatments approved here in the USA. According to her, these treatments are the only reason she's still alive.

Of course, she'd like to think that.

Experimental! What could go wrong!

[Electromyographical Alien]

Actually, a woman that lives near me is currently undergoing cancer treatments in Sweden because she couldn't get the experimental treatments approved here in the USA. According to her, these treatments are the only reason she's still alive.

What do experimental treatments in America have to do with the healthcare reform bill?

We allow some experimental treatments...many in fact for cancers. Just not everything. There's typically a reason why some experiments aren't allowed.

Just because Sweden does more experimental work doesn't mean their healthcare system is better.

[boysmom4]

[QUOTE=Electromyographical Alien;61110801]What do experimental treatments in America have to do with the healthcare reform bill?

I was responding to the other post regarding getting treatment in another country.

But did you like the song. Pretty catchy huh?

[zantax]

[quote=Electromyographical Alien;61110801]What do experimental treatments in America have to do with the healthcare reform bill?

I was responding to the other post regarding getting treatment in another country.

But did you like the song. Pretty catchy huh?


If you happen to know that guy *wink*, you might suggest he not quit his day job.

[B' en Natuf]

Yeah, I haven't seen many people quoting the WHO lately.Maybe a deaf, dumb and blind kid would?

[GregMartin]

Yeah, I haven't seen many people quoting the WHO lately.WHAT?!?

Dizzy in the head and I'm feeling bad
The things you've said have got me real mad
I'm gettin' funny dreams again and again
I know what it means but

Can't explain
I think it's love
Try to say it to you
When I feel blue

[boysmom4]

[quote=boysmom4;61110961]


If you happen to know that guy *wink*, you might suggest he not quit his day job.

No, I don't know him. I happen to see it yesterday while I was visiting Politifact.com. According to them, this song is listed as mostly true.

[zantax]

[quote=zantax;61111171]

No, I don't know him. I happen to see it yesterday while I was visiting Politifact.com. According to them, this song is listed as mostly true.


Sorry, I don't use websites to do my thinking for me. And I think Politifact is full of crap.

[GregMartin]

No, I don't know him. I happen to see it yesterday while I was visiting Politifact.com. According to them, this song is listed as mostly true.
I don't see how it could be.

Here is a link (http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61111931&postcount=27")

that is absolute proof that this post
http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61108641&postcount=2
is 100% true


Yep. It's all true. 100%. Count on it.

[boysmom4]

[quote=boysmom4;61111671]


Sorry, I don't use websites to do my thinking for me. And I think Politifact is full of crap.

Interesting comment. I seem to remember - just last week - Mr. Hannity used them as a source of information. I don't recall the subject but he said something to the effect that they were one of the most reliable non-partisan sources of information on the internet.

[monkeymom]

Nope, compare our preventative care numbers to other countries, we cream Canada and the UK in percentage of people that get pap smears, mammograms and colo-rectal screenings for instance.

Where is the best place to find numbers for stuff like this Zantax? I am spending so much time arguing these exact points with friends at school - I know the WHO stats are skewed and inaccurate, but do not have a comprehensive source for the things you mention.

[PredFan]

Another stupid thread about our rankings compared to the world. We have debunked this idiocy so many times it isn't amusing anymore. I wonder how many more times some noob will sign up here just to put this garbage on here?

[harumph]

Actually, a woman that lives near me is currently undergoing cancer treatments in Sweden because she couldn't get the experimental treatments approved here in the USA. According to her, these treatments are the only reason she's still alive.

Medical malpractice cases are handled by mail in Scandinavia, as I understand. And there are caps (which I have no problem with, btw). And the case is brought up to a government-appointed review board. Half of them are thrown out as "frivolous." Good luck to her. I wish her well.

As far as our doctors vs. their doctors; let's just say most are educated here and go back to their own countries to practice.

[boysmom4]

Another stupid thread about our rankings compared to the world. We have debunked this idiocy so many times it isn't amusing anymore. I wonder how many more times some noob will sign up here just to put this garbage on here?

I know you're not refering to me. I didn't just sign up - I've been a member here since 2004. Much longer then you I may add.

I actually prefer to be an observer then a poster - that's why the low post count.

[PredFan]

Where is the best place to find numbers for stuff like this Zantax? I am spending so much time arguing these exact points with friends at school - I know the WHO stats are skewed and inaccurate, but do not have a comprehensive source for the things you mention.

The main argument you can make is that the WHO rankings have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. There are way too many other more important factors that go into those numbers than healthcare: lifestyle, diet, education, heredity, etc., etc.

The USA has the best healthcare system in the world bar none.

[JudasGoat]

pap smears, mammograms and colo-rectal


:lol:

[PredFan]

I know you're not refering to me. I didn't just sign up - I've been a member here since 2004. Much longer then you I may add.

I actually prefer to be an observer then a poster - that's why the low post count.

Perhaps if you did a little more observing, you would see that this subject has been done to death.

[Libstomper]

Sorry, but I have it from trusted sources that http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_V7iZ39YZkwM/RuSr29tL_RI/AAAAAAAAAQc/Jdp34DqIs7w/s200/FoamFinger.jpg

[Blindeye101]

So Obama is getting rid of the FDA?

Is this why Snowe backed out of the NEW AND IMPROVED Health Care Bill?

[mpodlesny]

since Obama is the messiah why doesnt he just get rid of all sickness and disease, then we wont need healthcare

[PredFan]

I guess people come to the USA from all over the world to receive the 37th best healthcare.

Also, the politicians voted themselves exempt from Obamacare because they want to keep the 37th best healthcare system in the world.

/thread

[zantax]

Where is the best place to find numbers for stuff like this Zantax? I am spending so much time arguing these exact points with friends at school - I know the WHO stats are skewed and inaccurate, but do not have a comprehensive source for the things you mention.

This paper will point you to the relevant studies.

http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=psc_working_papers

[boysmom4]

Sorry, but I have it from trusted sources that http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_V7iZ39YZkwM/RuSr29tL_RI/AAAAAAAAAQc/Jdp34DqIs7w/s200/FoamFinger.jpg

Care to share that source?

[55SFSDefender]

Why doesn't it surprise me that this would be a response.

The first response is always if you don't like it then move and then of course you question the source of information.

You guys have got to get more original - kinda like the song.

The WHO report is indeed flawed, it compares apples and oranges and likes apples better. <shrug>

[Blindeye101]

since Obama is the messiah why doesnt he just get rid of all sickness and disease, then we wont need healthcare

The conservatives have no faith that he can do it.

[zantax]

The main argument you can make is that the WHO rankings have absolutely nothing to do with healthcare. There are way too many other more important factors that go into those numbers than healthcare: lifestyle, diet, education, heredity, etc., etc.

The USA has the best healthcare system in the world bar none.

For instance, we were far and away the biggest smokers on the planet up until about 1985. That effect on mortality doesn't go away overnight.

[PredFan]

Care to share that source?

His source is the same as your source, opinion. That's all yours is based on.

[PredFan]

For instance, we were far and away the biggest smokers on the planet up until about 1985. That effect on mortality doesn't go away overnight.

Yep.

[boysmom4]

Lol, the source? You mean youtube? On second thought, don't move, you're entertaining.


Just caught this response. Thank you - I crack myself up sometimes.

[Libstomper]

Care to share that source?

I'd be happy to!

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=61112831&postcount=36

[boysmom4]

[quote=boysmom4;61110961]


If you happen to know that guy *wink*, you might suggest he not quit his day job.

Just did a quick search on the artist, Paul Hipp. Looks like he's a pretty successful song writer and character actor. Quite extensive resume.

[zantax]

[quote=zantax;61111171]

Just did a quick search on the artist, Paul Hipp. Looks like he's a pretty successful song writer and character actor. Quite extensive resume.


Yeah and so non-partisan so you know you can trust him lol. From one of his Huff post blogs pre-election...

I can't believe there are just HOURS left to election day!! Let's all go out tomorrow and FINALLY Take It Back!


Here is a song of hope to sing as you cast your vote!!


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-hipp/take-it-back_b_140601.html

[boysmom4]

Yeah and so non-partisan so you know you can trust him lol. From one of his Huff post blogs pre-election...[/QUOTE]

I never said he wasn't partisan. What I did say is the website I first saw this on was Politifact.com which is very non-partisan. Care to prove me wrong?

[zantax]

Yeah and so non-partisan so you know you can trust him lol. From one of his Huff post blogs pre-election...

I never said he wasn't partisan. What I did say is the website I first saw this on was Politifact.com which is very non-partisan. Care to prove me wrong?

You know they're just an arm of the St. Petersburg Times right? Want to guess which Presidential candidate they endorsed?

[monkeymom]

This paper will point you to the relevant studies.

http://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1010&context=psc_working_papers

Thanks so much zantax - I glanced at it briefly and am anxious to read the entirety later today. I usually like to do my own research, but right now the only research I am doing is for comps, so it's all FRD/New Deal/American ascendancy, etc. Much as I love it I am looking forward to the end of this semester and completing my degree so I am not so tied to a particular topic.

Thanks again.

[boysmom4]

You know they're just an arm of the St. Petersburg Times right? Want to guess which Presidential candidate they endorsed?[/QUOTE]

Weak agruement. All major newpapers endorse a presidential candidate.

Just because the newspaper didn't endorse your candidate, that doesn't mean they're partisan.

If they are not to be believed, why did Sean sing their praises just last week?

[cmcgrew318]

Yeah, I haven't seen many people quoting the WHO lately.

That's because their lyrics were often nearing nonsense .....

[fishbait]

The US healthcare system is the best in the world and the most expensive in the world. I think most people are willing to accept this for what it is.

One often overlooked piece of information is that most of the rest of the world benefits tremendously from the medical research and technology development that occurs in the US. The only reason all of this research and the incredible breakthroughs are possible is because we have a largely private system which operates on profit motive. If the US moved towards government run healthcare it would not only be devastating for Americans but for the whole world.

[texashusker34]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

Serious? You are willing to believe these fools? Wow, maybe our education system needs to be "reformed". I'm about sick and tired of hearing how I need to pick up the tab so others can have health insurance. GO TO WORK like I do morons. We already pick up the tab for life saving care and I honestly think that's noble of us.. but that's not good enough.. we want you to pick up the tab for us to go see why our toenail hurts. :wall::wall: They keep quoting "necessity" but the truth of the matter is folks, health care is NOT a necessity nor should it be free just because you think so.

If you want to talk about improving our system, that's great, I'll have that debate all day long but STOP trying to "Fix" it with the system that brought us the post office, run away debt and too numerous to mention failed programs.

[boysmom4]

Serious? You are willing to believe these fools? Wow, maybe our education system needs to be "reformed". I'm about sick and tired of hearing how I need to pick up the tab so others can have health insurance. GO TO WORK like I do morons. We already pick up the tab for life saving care and I honestly think that's noble of us.. but that's not good enough.. we want you to pick up the tab for us to go see why our toenail hurts. :wall::wall: They keep quoting "necessity" but the truth of the matter is folks, health care is NOT a necessity nor should it be free just because you think so.

If you want to talk about improving our system, that's great, I'll have that debate all day long but STOP trying to "Fix" it with the system that brought us the post office, run away debt and too numerous to mention failed programs.

First of all, it's the WORKING POOR that don't have health insurance. What an insult it is to say GO TO WORK!

My son works very hard as a roofer and doesn't have any kind of employer paid health insurance. Let me tell him when he comes home that you don't think he's working hard enough on those 90 degree days. Maybe if he bettered himself he could find an employer who would be willing to provide health insurance while he sits at a cushy desk job in air conditioning. If everyone does that, what would you do when you need a roof!

Also, please remember that's it's the job of the government to provide the military. Since this is such a large part of the federal budget, please share me with how screwed up our military is.

[DemOkie]

The US healthcare system is the best in the world and the most expensive in the world. I think most people are willing to accept this for what it is.

One often overlooked piece of information is that most of the rest of the world benefits tremendously from the medical research and technology development that occurs in the US. The only reason all of this research and the incredible breakthroughs are possible is because we have a largely private system which operates on profit motive. If the US moved towards government run healthcare it would not only be devastating for Americans but for the whole world.

Way To Go, #37! With this OP, I have an image of Will Ferrell as Elf busting into a cafe with a sign outside that read "Worlds best cup of coffee!"

"Great job, everybody! Worlds best cup of coffee!"

Edit: Great job, France! Worlds best healthcare! Awesome!

[namjah]

Nope, compare our preventative care numbers to other countries, we cream Canada and the UK in percentage of people that get pap smears, mammograms and colo-rectal screenings for instance.

Did I say something about preventive care?

[stodr]

First of all, it's the WORKING POOR that don't have health insurance. What an insult it is to say GO TO WORK!

My son works very hard as a roofer and doesn't have any kind of employer paid health insurance. Let me tell him when he comes home that you don't think he's working hard enough on those 90 degree days. Maybe if he bettered himself he could find an employer who would be willing to provide health insurance while he sits at a cushy desk job in air conditioning. If everyone does that, what would you do when you need a roof!

I would think a roofer works very hard, but it is not the employers job to provide healthcare either. Does he smoke, drink, cable tv or internet, cell phone with all the bells and whistles, shinny new vehicle, flat screen tv, a young singal man health insurance is not all that much. Maybe he could get a health savings account.

Also, please remember that's it's the job of the government to provide the military. Since this is such a large part of the federal budget, please share me with how screwed up our military is.

Military not so much, military health care is very screwed up.

[m'head]

Its amazing to me that millions of Americans in grocery checkout lines read the headlines in the Star and, I hope, in most cases chuckle and laugh at the silliness. Yet things just as silly when declared by very partisan outlets are taken as fact and very credible sources that conflict with ideology are "lies."

[boysmom4]

I would think a roofer works very hard, but it is not the employers job to provide healthcare either. Does he smoke, drink, cable tv or internet, cell phone with all the bells and whistles, shinny new vehicle, flat screen tv, a young singal man health insurance is not all that much. Maybe he could get a health savings account.

Actually no he does not have or does any of the above. He still lives at home, drives a 1996 Grand Am that he paid cash for (and needs constant attention) and pays a very high price for car insurance due to 2 accidents he was involved in (one when he was learning to drive) and one just recently. Heh - things happen.

He doesn't make a huge amount of money but he's trying to save so he can move into his own place.

Yes, a health savings account is a great idea as long as it's for things like routine doctor's visits or prescriptions. All it would take is one accident or catastropic illness and he'd been in major debt for the rest of his life.

I just don't get it. You guys always try to make everything so black and white. As if everything that happens to you in your life is because of your bad choices and it's never because of bad luck. If only life was so convenient for everyone.

[fishbait]

Actually no he does not have or does any of the above. He still lives at home, drives a 1996 Grand Am that he paid cash for (and needs constant attention) and pays a very high price for car insurance due to 2 accidents he was involved in (one when he was learning to drive) and one just recently. Heh - things happen.

He doesn't make a huge amount of money but he's trying to save so he can move into his own place.

Yes, a health savings account is a great idea as long as it's for things like routine doctor's visits or prescriptions. All it would take is one accident or catastropic illness and he'd been in major debt for the rest of his life.

I just don't get it. You guys always try to make everything so black and white. As if everything that happens to you in your life is because of your bad choices and it's never because of bad luck. If only life was so convenient for everyone.

I think most people agree that those folks who legitimately cannot afford health insurance should get some help with it, at least I believe this. But, this can be done by giving them a tax credit to be used to buy private insurance. No need to the government to get involved beyond that.

[boysmom4]

I think most people agree that those folks who legitimately cannot afford health insurance should get some help with it, at least I believe this. But, this can be done by giving them a tax credit to be used to buy private insurance. No need to the government to get involved beyond that.


Even Medicare?

[fishbait]

Even Medicare?

I think both Medicare and Medicaid are necessary programs but both have gotten completely our of control. Throw Social Security into that category as well.

Every person should plan for their own future and their retirement. If people take resposibility for themselves then most will be self sufficient and will not require government assistance. If you need a bit of help now and then this is what family, friends, neighbors, churches, etc. are for.

The social safety net should be for people who really need it and have no other alternative, and this should be a very small percentage of the population. Instead, everyone has come to expect this when they get old so many people do not plan for their own future. It's sad and frustrating and downright immoral.

[WildRose]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4Yawn....

From Politifact:


Quote:
"A June 2009 poll by ABC News and the Washington Post found that 42 percent of respondents were "very satisfied" with their health plan and 39 percent were "somewhat satisfied." Just 11 percent were "somewhat dissatisfied" and 8 percent were "very dissatisfied." Meanwhile, a July 2009 poll by Abt SRBI for Time magazine found 53 percent very satisfied, 33 percent somewhat satisfied, 9 percent somewhat dissatisfied and 4 percent very dissatisfied. A Quinnipiac University poll found 49 percent very satisfied, 36 percent somewhat satisfied, 10 percent somewhat dissatisfied and 4 percent very dissatisfied."

[boysmom4]

I think both Medicare and Medicaid are necessary programs but both have gotten completely our of control. Throw Social Security into that category as well.

Every person should plan for their own future and their retirement. If people take resposibility for themselves then most will be self sufficient and will not require government assistance. If you need a bit of help now and then this is what family, friends, neighbors, churches, etc. are for.

The social safety net should be for people who really need it and have no other alternative, and this should be a very small percentage of the population. Instead, everyone has come to expect this when they get old so many people do not plan for their own future. It's sad and frustrating and downright immoral.

So tell me, what would you do if your employer didn't provide health care as a benefit. Personally, I'm afraid that may be the next cost cutting step my employer will take.

What if all employers started this and everyone would have to "fend for themselves" to get healthcare?

Would you want the government intervention then?

[Joeybear23]

So tell me, what would you do if your employer didn't provide health care as a benefit. Personally, I'm afraid that may be the next cost cutting step my employer will take.
I'd get another job or buy insurance myself. It's not teth government's responsibility to provide healthcare coverage for me.

What if all employers started this and everyone would have to "fend for themselves" to get healthcare?
A greater demand for individual plans would cause insurers to make them more available.
Would you want the government intervention then?
No. It is not the government's responsibility to provide me with healthcare, a car, a cell phone, a house, etc...

[texashusker34]

First of all, it's the WORKING POOR that don't have health insurance. What an insult it is to say GO TO WORK!

My son works very hard as a roofer and doesn't have any kind of employer paid health insurance. Let me tell him when he comes home that you don't think he's working hard enough on those 90 degree days. Maybe if he bettered himself he could find an employer who would be willing to provide health insurance while he sits at a cushy desk job in air conditioning. If everyone does that, what would you do when you need a roof!

Also, please remember that's it's the job of the government to provide the military. Since this is such a large part of the federal budget, please share me with how screwed up our military is.


First of all, the WORKING POOR don't honestly NEED health insurance. Come on, most of them are young folks that don't go to the doctor often. When they go, they can pay cash. Second off, he's "poor" doing roofing, get a better deal. Go to work for yourself, roofing isn't hard and you can make a ton of money doing it. I know, we did it when I was growing up, along with painting and anything else my dad and I could do to turn a buck. Oh, and we didn't have health insurance.. we paid for doctors visits when we went. I don't have a problem helping out folks that get life threatening diseases that can't pay for it, you know, like we currently do but it's quite simple.. pay your own way. It's not my job to pay for your needs.

As to the military, you're talking to the wrong person my dear. I spent 6 years in and let me tell you, the only thing they DON'T waste is a chance to waste money. The military is great because it's full of great people but the red tape involved in doing business.. well, they waste a TON of money.

Just a few questions for you... how large of a part is our military of our budget? How much do they waste in it and that being the case, how much could we save on the rest of the budget if we waste as much in other areas?

[texashusker34]

By the way, when I said roofing isn't hard I meant it isn't a hard skill to learn. It's physically tough but it's not rocket science.

[penner01]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4 Ya know, I've read it enough times that I'm not going to watch the video. Does it talk about how many categories the U.S. system was rated number one in the world? It drops to 37 mostly because not everyone has it. Whether or not everyone has has nothing to do with the quality.

[Ballygrl]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

I'm sure the people on waiting lists in Canada and the UK will dispute that, as I'm sure cancer patients in those countries who have a lower survival rate then the US, but you probably knew that, right? :rolleyes:

[Ballygrl]

First of all, it's the WORKING POOR that don't have health insurance. What an insult it is to say GO TO WORK!

My son works very hard as a roofer and doesn't have any kind of employer paid health insurance. Let me tell him when he comes home that you don't think he's working hard enough on those 90 degree days. Maybe if he bettered himself he could find an employer who would be willing to provide health insurance while he sits at a cushy desk job in air conditioning. If everyone does that, what would you do when you need a roof!

Also, please remember that's it's the job of the government to provide the military. Since this is such a large part of the federal budget, please share me with how screwed up our military is.

Can I ask if your son has a computer? a plasma tv? a big screen tv? what kind of car does he drive? how much does he spend on extras per month like going out to eat etc? where does he buy his clothes? how much does he pay for sneakers? Why am I asking these questions? because the biggest complainers of the cost of insurance seem to have the latest high tech equipment, drive newer cars and wear darn nice costly clothes.

[ISYairio]

Please don't cite the "rankings" by the World Health Organization. In large part, they are rankings of how close a country comes to having a socialist system - Arnold Kling

[dad49er]

Nope, compare our preventative care numbers to other countries, we cream Canada and the UK in percentage of people that get pap smears, mammograms and colo-rectal screenings for instance.

I have heard that we spend much more per capita on health care than any other country by a wide margin.

[Joeybear23]

I have heard that we spend much more per capita on health care than any other country by a wide margin.

The US tops the world in 5+ year cancer survival rate... that's a stat that's harder to fudge with than infant mortality.

[thomas]

I have heard that we spend much more per capita on health care than any other country by a wide margin.

And I have heard that that is so because we have more money to spend on health care than any other country by a wide margin. Our other costs of living, food, shelter, clothing, have decreased dramatically over the last century which leaves us with more money to spend on our health care than most nations.

[WildRose]

And I have heard that that is so because we have more money to spend on health care than any other country by a wide margin. Our other costs of living, food, shelter, clothing, have decreased dramatically over the last century which leaves us with more money to spend on our health care than most nations.As a percentage of income, we in the US spend less on food, housing, and even prepared meals than any other industrialized nation and pay lower taxes (all taxes combined) by about half as compared to any of the nations who's HC systems the dems would have us emulate.

[Joeybear23]

I wonder how many people will go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in education debt to take a job which will have compensation limits set by government?

[WildRose]

I wonder how many people will go into hundreds of thousands of dollars in education debt to take a job which will have compensation limits set by government?In 1992 exactly half of my pre-med class chose other professions because it looked like Hillary Care was going to pass.

That bill had the same problems (and more) as the current bills. Cutting compensation, the government ends up picking your specialty either directly or indirectly and and where you will practice, with zero relief from enormous malpractice premiums.

[Joeybear23]

In 1992 exactly half of my pre-med class chose other professions because it looked like Hillary Care was going to pass.

That bill had the same problems (and more) as the current bills. Cutting compensation, the government ends up picking your specialty either directly or indirectly and and where you will practice, with zero relief from enormous malpractice premiums.

And how long will it be before doctors will not be allowed to not accept the gov't program...

[WildRose]

And how long will it be before doctors will not be allowed to not accept the gov't program...That was one of the provisions that killed Hillary Care. It was (under the provisions of that bill) going to be a felony for a Doctor to accept cash patients which is why it's not included in the current bills; at least not yet and not obviously.

[Charlie A]

Since when do we care what the UN or the WHO has to say about anything when it comes to our laws and our economy? Who are these politicians who, in effect, point at a UN study and say "See? The Constitution is useless!" That's the Constitution they are of course sworn to protect and defend.

[Billy_Bob]

I've often heard it said that we here in the USA have the best health care system in the world.

Here's a youtube video (with a real catchy tune) that disputes that statement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgOl3cETb4

:)):)):))

WOW Forget the discrepancies/disparities of counting between countries... "that makes no difference...." is their retort... but statistically it make a huge difference