Acorn tapes; NOT murder

[waynevan]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense. He beat the crap out of her twice and was in the process of doing it again, or damn close to it. I don't know about other folks here, but I support 100% a person's right to self defense. When someone is beating the crap out of you, you have a right to defend yourself.

Is this where you pull the pre-meditated bullsqueeze? Then you don't know squat about abused women. I do. They feel trapped and the very THOUGHT of escaping fills them with a dread most people a lucky not to know. It is not unlike Stockholm Syndrome in it's depravity and deviousness. "IF" she is telling a true story, I'm glad she shot the piece of krap.

As to the rest of the stuff? ACORN can hang out to dry and I don't care who is taken down with the scandal right on up to the Whitehouse if the charges are valid.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

You are 100% incorrect. If you've watched/listened it was pre-meditated murder... a setup.

However, it doesn't seem like it's true.

[nunyadb]

It "appears" that the woman lied in order to boost her credibility with her
"new clients". Nothing new about sociopath's lying.

[Starflight]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense. He beat the crap out of her twice and was in the process of doing it again, or damn close to it. I don't know about other folks here, but I support 100% a person's right to self defense. When someone is beating the crap out of you, you have a right to defend yourself.

Is this where you pull the pre-meditated bullsqueeze? Then you don't know squat about abused women. I do. They feel trapped and the very THOUGHT of escaping fills them with a dread most people a lucky not to know. It is not unlike Stockholm Syndrome in it's depravity and deviousness. "IF" she is telling a true story, I'm glad she shot the piece of krap.

As to the rest of the stuff? ACORN can hang out to dry and I don't care who is taken down with the scandal right on up to the Whitehouse if the charges are valid.

She said she "laid the ground work" so people would know.... THAT is 1st degree murder in any court in America.

But then the left has laws that apply ONLY to the Right

[waynevan]

You are 100% incorrect. If you've watched/listened it was pre-meditated murder... a setup.

However, it doesn't seem like it's true.

The only setup was in that she planned her escape from a brutal abuser who beat the krap out of her. I hate abusers and their evil can be such that justifiable homicide is, to the victim, the only way possible to escape. I'm glad he is dead. If her story is accurate of course...........

[jeepers]

I ain't touching this one at all. But if someone doesn't investigate the crap out of it, starting with say, the Attorney General's office of the State of California...

[Fitz]

This argument is stupid... Let's see the unedited tape

[pattyk]

but then she says later on that she will go threaten "Jim" across the street to not say anything to anyone because "I can kill"

what a sack of feces that woman is. and thinking she so cute and funny.

[waynevan]

but then she says later on that she will go threaten "Jim" across the street to not say anything to anyone because "I can kill"

what a sack of feces that woman is. and thinking she so cute and funny.


I don't disagree with that sentiment. But knowing abusers inside and out like I do, due to personal experience within my own family (a victim in my family), I can say with confidance that most abused women just don't know how to escape. And given that woman's sleaze factor, can anyone doubt she was married to an abusing piece of **** woman beater?

[nyx]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense. He beat the crap out of her twice and was in the process of doing it again, or damn close to it. I don't know about other folks here, but I support 100% a person's right to self defense. When someone is beating the crap out of you, you have a right to defend yourself.

Is this where you pull the pre-meditated bullsqueeze? Then you don't know squat about abused women. I do. They feel trapped and the very THOUGHT of escaping fills them with a dread most people a lucky not to know. It is not unlike Stockholm Syndrome in it's depravity and deviousness. "IF" she is telling a true story, I'm glad she shot the piece of krap.

As to the rest of the stuff? ACORN can hang out to dry and I don't care who is taken down with the scandal right on up to the Whitehouse if the charges are valid.

As a victim of extreme physical abuse by my EX husband I disagree totally. We all have choices to make in this life, and lowering ourselves to their 'level' is not the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right.

.........and this woman made it clear she laid a framework of alibi prior, she had a gun; she knew exactly where it was and that it was loaded; she taunted him and then shot him. Premeditated all the way. With all the time she had to think about this and set it up, she could have found a better way.

[OKCatholic]

I'm sure ACORN does background checks on all potential employees to make sure they're clean. Haven't we seen examples of these model employees in all the videos?

We'll probably never know for sure what happened with the woman's husband, but she is no angel in any case

[waynevan]

As a victim of extreme physical abuse by my EX husband I disagree totally. We all have choices to make in this life, and lowering ourselves to their 'level' is not the answer. Two wrongs don't make a right.

.........and this woman made it clear she laid a framework of alibi prior, she had a gun; she knew exactly where it was and that it was loaded; she taunted him and then shot him. Premeditated all the way. With all the time she had to think about this and set it up, she could have found a better way.

You had the strength and knowledge to get out. Some women don't.

[waynevan]

I'm sure ACORN does background checks on all potential employees to make sure they're clean. Haven't we seen examples of these model employees in all the videos?

We'll probably never know for sure what happened with the woman's husband, but she is no angel in any case

I think her claim will be investigated. Heck I'd bet money on it.

[animalnut]

I agree that it is NEVER acceptable for anyone to physically abuse someone. NEVER.

[animalnut]

but then she says later on that she will go threaten "Jim" across the street to not say anything to anyone because "I can kill"

what a sack of feces that woman is. and thinking she so cute and funny.

She looked like she was hopped up on something. She was WAY too intense.

[waynevan]

I agree that it is NEVER acceptable for anyone to physically abuse someone. NEVER.

I was not exaggerating when I compared it to Stockholm Syndrome, it really can be that insidious. I know of one abuser with a master's degree in psychology. They can be downright evil.

[OKCatholic]

I think her claim will be investigated. Heck I'd bet money on it.


Yeah, the MSM will lead the way

[waynevan]

Yeah, the MSM will lead the way

I think it is out of the media's hands actually. I sure as heck didn't say that because I thought they would push for it. The guy claims to have several more videos, this thing is just getting started and the media is now just along for the ride.

[merlin704]

Yeah, the MSM will lead the way

GoEagles is working on it as we speak.

[Old Goat]

I'm sure ACORN does background checks on all potential employees to make sure they're clean. Haven't we seen examples of these model employees in all the videos?

We'll probably never know for sure what happened with the woman's husband, but she is no angel in any case


I can assure you that ACORN checks their employees and volunteers with every bit the same thoroughness as they do their political candidates!:angel:

[PSBandit]

Yeah, the MSM will lead the way

What's this MSM you speak of? ;)

[MarkieMarie]

I would think that no matter what the situation was leading her up to the moment of taking another person's life ( If The Story is even True ), it seems to me her attitude of boasting about it is 'off '. Taking someone's life is no small thing , not something you just go blurting out to anyone. Bad MoJo going on there. Maybe it's just me but being flippant about shooting someone to death is something that might have come out in a pre-employment interview? I only say this because it seems she told it with too much ease,no reservation,,Oh Well,Lots of sickness to go around in that ACORN outfit anyway.

[waynevan]

I would think that no matter what the situation was leading her up to the moment of taking another person's life ( If The Story is even True ), it seems to me her attitude of boasting about it is 'off '. Taking someone's life is no small thing , not something you just go blurting out to anyone. Bad MoJo going on there. Maybe it's just me but being flippant about shooting someone to death is something that might have come out in a pre-employment interview? I only say this because it seems she told it with too much ease,no reservation,,Oh Well,Lots of sickness to go around in that ACORN outfit anyway.

Well, her voice was wavering, and I attribute that to nervous tightness either from knowing it was a lie or knowing she was confessing in a way. It is almost impossible to totally control your voice when you are scared.

[OKCatholic]

What's this MSM you speak of? ;)

Sorry, did I let the cat out the bag?

[Lee Kington]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense. It is not "Beck's" video. He had nothing to do with the creation of it nor is he the only one covering it.

[OKCatholic]

Well, her voice was wavering, and I attribute that to nervous tightness either from knowing it was a lie or knowing she was confessing in a way. It is almost impossible to totally control your voice when you are scared.


Her entire demeanor, mannerisms and "advice" were just weird.

[SonsofLiberty]

Sooooo this is what a community organizer does..... ;)

[TerriC]

Also being a woman previously married to an abusive man, having watched my mother beaten repeatedly by men, watching her pull a gun on one of them to protect her children, my aunt by my uncle and my sister beaten within inches of her life... (yeah, ugly pattern isnt it?)........

This woman (if its true) is guilty of premeditated murder. There are ways out. I got out before it got bad. This woman set it up. If she had enough of a brain to set up murder, purchase a gun, etc. she could have gotten out. He wasn't beating her when she shot him. This wasn't self defense in any way shape or form.

I absolutely believe a woman has a right to defend herself from abuse, even shoot a man in the process of abusing her, yes. But that isnt the case here. She set this up.

Although, I dont believe a word she says. Any woman with that kind of a background, who has any feelings whatsoever, would never blurt out something like that.

[waynevan]

It is not "Beck's" video. He had nothing to do with the creation of it nor is he the only one covering it.

Dude, simmer down. Beck is the one who helped them break the story, and provided them airtime, I meant no more than that.

[waynevan]

Also being a woman previously married to an abusive man, having watched my mother beaten repeatedly by men, watching her pull a gun on one of them to protect her children, my aunt by my uncle and my sister beaten within inches of her life... (yeah, ugly pattern isnt it?)........

This woman (if its true) is guilty of premeditated murder. There are ways out. I got out before it got bad. This woman set it up. If she had enough of a brain to set up murder, purchase a gun, etc. she could have gotten out. He wasn't beating her when she shot him. This wasn't self defense in any way shape or form.

I absolutely believe a woman has a right to defend herself from abuse, even shoot a man in the process of abusing her, yes. But that isnt the case here. She set this up.

Although, I dont believe a word she says. Any woman with that kind of a background, who has any feelings whatsoever, would never blurt out something like that.

Did she not say that the next time he started beating her that she let it go on for a bit etc? And then she said when he came at her again she shot him. She did have forethought, of that there can be no doubt, but my point is, she did not know what else to do. She is a gutter rat for all intents and stuff, and is likely all too familiar with the "system" that failed to help her in the past. Trapped, like a (gutter) rat. You are educated. You knew what to do. That is not always the case.

[HawkeyeLonewolf]

The only setup was in that she planned her escape from a brutal abuser who beat the krap out of her. I hate abusers and their evil can be such that justifiable homicide is, to the victim, the only way possible to escape. I'm glad he is dead. If her story is accurate of course...........

If every thing she said was TRUE, it's premeditated murder, no excuses.

[bossfrog]

You had the strength and knowledge to get out. Some women don't.

Sorry, but self-defense only applies to an IMMEDIATE threat, not a perceived threat, not a potential threat, not a past threat. And it only applies to the extent necessary to neutralize that threat. If what she says, it's murder, period. Rationalize all you want. The fact remains no matter what you say.

[bossfrog]

She did have forethought, of that there can be no doubt, but my point is, she did not know what else to do.

"did not know what else to do?"

Do you have intimate knowledge of the situation not available to the rest of us? How the hell can you make such an assumption?

[XDEM]

The only setup was in that she planned her escape from a brutal abuser who beat the krap out of her. I hate abusers and their evil can be such that justifiable homicide is, to the victim, the only way possible to escape. I'm glad he is dead. If her story is accurate of course...........

If her story is true? Do you mean you don't KNOW for certain that her story is true before you condemn a dead man who can't defend himself? You make me sick!!!:sick:

[TerriC]

Did she not say that the next time he started beating her that she let it go on for a bit etc? And then she said when he came at her again she shot him. She did have forethought, of that there can be no doubt, but my point is, she did not know what else to do. She is a gutter rat for all intents and stuff, and is likely all too familiar with the "system" that failed to help her in the past. Trapped, like a (gutter) rat. You are educated. You knew what to do. That is not always the case.

No, Hannah asked her specifically if she shot him while he was beating her, she said no. She said she knew he was about to. But even that she had to think about. Personally, I dont believe a single word of what she said.

[XDEM]

I was not exaggerating when I compared it to Stockholm Syndrome, it really can be that insidious. I know of one abuser with a master's degree in psychology. They can be downright evil.

Regardless of their level of education, some women, as well as some men, can be downright evil.

[Gabby]

I don't disagree with that sentiment. But knowing abusers inside and out like I do, due to personal experience within my own family (a victim in my family), I can say with confidance that most abused women just don't know how to escape. And given that woman's sleaze factor, can anyone doubt she was married to an abusing piece of **** woman beater?

You have no idea if her husband actually abused her. All we know is that she set it up so that people thought he did.

I know of three women who are the abusers in the relationship. Their husbands feared that if they called the police, the police would believe that they, the man, was the abusers. I know for a fact that these women are the abusers because I saw them in action.

In one of these cases the woman actually pulled a gun on her husband and kids many times. She was never prosecuted.

In another case the woman attacked her husband with a bat. She than called the police and had him prosecuted. She did the same thing with her first husband. But as a woman with a mother who is close friends with every judge in town she keeps getting away with it.

After hearing that women brag about killing her husband, I would not be surprised if the abuse by her husband was a fabrication and she is instead the abuser in the relationship. surely killing someone is the ultimate abuse.

[Cletus Wilbury]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense.... .

Agreed.

[agent_86]

I don't disagree with that sentiment. But knowing abusers inside and out like I do, due to personal experience within my own family (a victim in my family), I can say with confidance that most abused women just don't know how to escape. And given that woman's sleaze factor, can anyone doubt she was married to an abusing piece of **** woman beater?

Do they typically go and brag about it and use it to give them credibility when in the presence of other criminals?

[Fitz]

You have no idea if her husband actually abused her. All we know is that she set it up so that people thought he did.
Cognitive dissonance anyone?

[Billy_Bob]

She admitted that her life was not in jeopardy. so the very heart of the use of deadly force self defense clause is not present... She admitted she was not in danger.

Murder

Planing the event is premeditation....

Capitol Murder..

[nunyadb]

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

No, Gabby called it dead on.
The woman said clearly that she "painted the picture" by going to women's
shelters and such so that when she killed him there would be a "history" and
a background that would make her story believable.

Nope, this was pure plain premeditated murder.

Personally, I think she was lying about the entire thing to impress
these two with her importance and to deliver a second message
that if they screwed around with her she'd have no problem killing
them as well.

[Gabby]

Cognitive dissonance anyone?

Really? You have absolute proof that her husband abused her? You have absolute proof that she did not abuse her husband?

Well we know that, if the story is true, that she did abuse her husband. Surely premeditated murder is the ultimate abuse.

[Fitz]

Really? You have absolute proof that her husband abused her? You have absolute proof that she did not abuse her husband?

Well we know that, if the story is true, that she did abuse her husband. Surely premeditated murder is the ultimate abuse.
Nope, I was going the other way with that.
We don't really know either.

[Gabby]

Nope, I was going the other way with that.
We don't really know either.

No we don't know. I hope that the case is investigated. If it's true that she killed her husband she did admit to murder since she said that he was not abusing her at the time she shot him and that it was premeditated. The authorities need to look a this case.

I hope that a copy of the tape was turned over to the police before it was aired by the media and on Youtube.

[Fitz]

No we don't know. I hope that the case is investigated. If it's true that she killed her husband she did admit to murder since she said that he was not abusing her at the time she shot him and that it was premeditated. The authorities need to look a this case.

I hope that a copy of the tape was turned over to the police before it was aired by the media and on Youtube.
I'd love to see the unedited tapes. A couple clips lacking context isn't much to draw a conclusion on.

[Samm]

If her story is true? Do you mean you don't KNOW for certain that her story is true before you condemn a dead man who can't defend himself? You make me sick!!!:sick:

Lighten up... we don't even know for sure if there is a dead man.

[Electromyographical Alien]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense.

I don't really care what she said.

If this were a court case, it would take more than simply her word and no one else's.

I can't make a claim one way or the other without knowing everything.

[Samm]

No we don't know. I hope that the case is investigated. If it's true that she killed her husband she did admit to murder since she said that he was not abusing her at the time she shot him and that it was premeditated. The authorities need to look a this case.

I hope that a copy of the tape was turned over to the police before it was aired by the media and on Youtube.

For sure... IF she was telling the truth, she at least ought to face a jury of her peers.

I am no lawyer, but it would seem to me that as long as the authorities had access to the original recording that it should not make any difference as to when it played on YouTube and Cable Television shows. The only argument I can see is that a defense lawyer might argue it contaminated the jury pool.

[Samm]

I don't really care what she said.

If this were a court case, it would take more than simply her word and no one else's.

I can't make a claim one way or the other without knowing everything.

But this is not a court case... it is a discussion forum. One does not need to know everything to express an opinion here. Based on the evidence before us, she looks guilty as sin. If she was lying or there is other evidence, that opinion is subject to revision. Regardless, there appears to be sufficient evidence based on this one tape for authorities to at least look into it.

[Fitz]

But this is not a court case... it is a discussion forum. One does not need to know everything to express an opinion here. Based on the evidence before us, she looks guilty as sin. If she was lying or there is other evidence, that opinion is subject to revision. Regardless, there appears to be sufficient evidence based on this one tape for authorities to at least look into it.

The San Bernardino Police Department is investigating the claims made regarding the homicide. From the initial investigation conducted, the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party's known former husbands, who are alive and well.

Source, San Bernardino Police Department
http://www.ci.san-bernardino.ca.us/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=1124&TargetID=6

[waynevan]

If her story is true? Do you mean you don't KNOW for certain that her story is true before you condemn a dead man who can't defend himself? You make me sick!!!:sick:

What the hell do you think this is, a court of law? Holy krap.

Had I said "based on the evidence in the video" you wouldn't have said squat except to disagree with me. My wording means exactly the same thing. Take your holier than thou attitude and stuff it.

[namjah]

I don't give a rat's ass that the woman in Beck's latest video shot her husband dead, judging by what she said, it was self defense. He beat the crap out of her twice and was in the process of doing it again, or damn close to it. I don't know about other folks here, but I support 100% a person's right to self defense. When someone is beating the crap out of you, you have a right to defend yourself.

Is this where you pull the pre-meditated bullsqueeze? Then you don't know squat about abused women. I do. They feel trapped and the very THOUGHT of escaping fills them with a dread most people a lucky not to know. It is not unlike Stockholm Syndrome in it's depravity and deviousness. "IF" she is telling a true story, I'm glad she shot the piece of krap.

As to the rest of the stuff? ACORN can hang out to dry and I don't care who is taken down with the scandal right on up to the Whitehouse if the charges are valid.

We now know the story was false -- but that didn't stop people from running with it.

[waynevan]

We now know the story was false -- but that didn't stop people from running with it.

Who is running with it? I mean besides some schlub like me on a friggin internet forum.....

And even I had enough sense to qualify my comments based on whether or not she was telling a true story.

[TerriC]

Source, San Bernardino Police Department
http://www.ci.san-bernardino.ca.us/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=1124&TargetID=6


Yeah, I didnt think she had done it.

[Samm]

The San Bernardino Police Department is investigating the claims made regarding the homicide. From the initial investigation conducted, the claims do not appear to be factual. Investigators have been in contact with the involved party's known former husbands, who are alive and well.

Source, San Bernardino Police Department
http://www.ci.san-bernardino.ca.us/news/displaynews.asp?NewsID=1124&TargetID=6

Good find. Thanks.

[penner01]

It "appears" that the woman lied in order to boost her credibility with her
"new clients". Nothing new about sociopath's lying. That's the way I see it. It's not about whether or not she killed or was justified.....she was pumping it up.

[Roberts_the_man]

The only setup was in that she planned her escape from a brutal abuser who beat the krap out of her. I hate abusers and their evil can be such that justifiable homicide is, to the victim, the only way possible to escape. I'm glad he is dead. If her story is accurate of course...........

I'm not condoning spousal abuse ...

BUT no one deserves to be killed unless there is immediate danger of the abuser attacking you...

Then it is actually self defense.

According to her story she said she spent time making it look like he was abusing her by going into hiding in a safe house , etc. to set up her alibi ....

She then admitted on the tape that she swore at him to tick him off and then she pointed the gun at him and just shot him in cold blood ....

That's pre-meditated murder because if she instigated an argument when he wasn't beating her up at the time there was zero reason for her to plug him.


Perhaps he had beat her before but maybe he going through counseling in an attempt to stop the abuse ?


Whatever the reason she sounded like she enjoyed it too much when he wasn't aparently doing anything to deserve being shot and killed at the time .