Glock Question

[SaintVegas]

In about two weeks I will have enough money saved to purchase a Glock. My question for those of you in the know is which one would you say that I purchase? I cannot decide between a Glock 17, Glock 22, or a Glock 23. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

[Drawz]

I'd go with the Glock 10/6, also known as the "Mad Hatter".
It's ideal for tea party protection, also taking out semi-invisable cats, Red Queens and white rabbits.

[Safiel]

I have a Glock 20 myself and would highly recommend it.

Of the models you mentioned, I would probably go with the Glock 17. It is a good general all around pistol. Unless your planning on using it for concealed carry, I would go with a standard rather than compact model.

[SaintVegas]

I'd go with the Glock 10/6, also known as the "Mad Hatter".
It's ideal for tea party protection, also taking out semi-invisable cats, Red Queens and white rabbits.


HA! Good advice there. :eek: :D

[SaintVegas]

I have a Glock 20 myself and would highly recommend it.

Of the models you mentioned, I would probably go with the Glock 17. It is a good general all around pistol. Unless your planning on using it for concealed carry, I would go with a standard rather than compact model.

Thank you. I am, in fact, planning to use it primarily for concealed carry.

[Safiel]

Than in that event the "compact" version is what you want, the Glock 23 being the only compact version you mentioned. I would go with the Glock 19 9*19mm over the Glock 23 .40. Both are "compact" models.

[SaintVegas]

Than in that event the "compact" version is what you want, the Glock 23 being the only compact version you mentioned. I would go with the Glock 19 9*19mm over the Glock 23 .40. Both are "compact" models.

May I ask why you choose a 9*19 caliber rather than a .40 caliber?

[Safiel]

I have used that particular round on weapons other than Glock and have found it satisfactory. The general consensus of people I know seem to lean towards the 9mm. Not exactly a big difference between the two and it is probably more a matter of subtle preference.

[MrShotShot]

I've had a Glock 23 for about 15 years and absolutely love it. I have rather large hands and have difficulty with most "compact" pistols, but the 23 is hefty enough that I don't have a problem with it. My only concealed carry complaint is that the boxey slide is a bit uncomfortable for small of the back.

[ALBOB2]

I'll be the lone voice of reason in a sea of insanity. The best Glock you can get is a Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP


(Sorry, somebody had to say it. :mrgreen: )

[Safiel]

I'll be the lone voice of reason in a sea of insanity. The best Glock you can get is a Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP


(Sorry, somebody had to say it. :mrgreen: )

Hehe.

I have that weapon in my rather extensive collection, by way of inheritance.

[FidelisAdMortem]

My service weapon is a Glock 19 9mm. I carry it onduty an offduty. When offduty I use a pancake holster which depending on the shirt can be noticeable, but Im a cop so I dont care if people notice however if you're a regular person carrying concealed that may pose a problem for you.

[SaintVegas]

I'll be the lone voice of reason in a sea of insanity. The best Glock you can get is a Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP


(Sorry, somebody had to say it. :mrgreen: )

Oh, dear. There's always one, isn't there? :wall: :D

[SaintVegas]

My service weapon is a Glock 19 9mm. I carry it onduty an offduty. When offduty I use a pancake holster which depending on the shirt can be noticeable, but Im a cop so I dont care if people notice however if you're a regular person carrying concealed that may pose a problem for you.


And that is really the issue with me.....whether to go with .9mm or a .40 caliber. This is what keeps me up at night LOL.

[SaintVegas]

I've had a Glock 23 for about 15 years and absolutely love it. I have rather large hands and have difficulty with most "compact" pistols, but the 23 is hefty enough that I don't have a problem with it. My only concealed carry complaint is that the boxey slide is a bit uncomfortable for small of the back.

Glock 23 is really the way I am leaning....

[VCaddy05]

their all great guns, my advise buy a used one! what model all comes down to what caliber you want/ handle

[VCaddy05]

And that is really the issue with me.....whether to go with .9mm or a .40 caliber. This is what keeps me up at night LOL.

they will both kill your target if you can hit him right. my advice go to a range and try out a 9 and a 40, I have both, not in glock but very similar, and once you get used to it their both very good weapons. Dont expect to hit your target well if you purchace the 40 until you learn to shoot properly its got more kick.

[VCaddy05]

I'll be the lone voice of reason in a sea of insanity. The best Glock you can get is a Springfield Armory 1911 .45 ACP


(Sorry, somebody had to say it. :mrgreen: )

yea just expect to wing your target from more then 10 yrds away if you havent had some good practice!

[jungulator]

If only I could get my hands on a Glock 18.:drool::drool::drool:

[ALBOB2]

yea just expect to wing your target from more then 10 yrds away if you havent had some good practice!

Unless the Glock uses some kind of RADAR guided ammo that I'm not aware of, how does that statement NOT apply to ANY handgun???:confused:

And just for the record. I'm a 1911 fan simply because whatever I aim at with one, I hit. On the other hand, I've never held any Glock that felt good in my hands. But I have quite a few friends, including Las Vegas Metro cops, who swear by them. I wouldn't dream of arguing with them about their firearm selection. That's pretty much my bottom line, you chose what works for you.

P.S. Getting back to the concealment issue. A handgun's concealability lies in it's thickness. The length of the barrel and the length of the grip are very unimportant when it comes to being able to conceal a handgun. But the thicker the handgun is, the more difficult it will be to conceal.

[Samm]

Thank you. I am, in fact, planning to use it primarily for concealed carry.

Then you should go with the 23. But if it were me I would get a Sig 239 in .40 instead.

[Samm]

I have used that particular round on weapons other than Glock and have found it satisfactory. The general consensus of people I know seem to lean towards the 9mm. Not exactly a big difference between the two and it is probably more a matter of subtle preference.

I disagree... the .40 is significantly more potent than the 9 mm.

[Samm]

If only I could get my hands on a Glock 18.:drool::drool::drool:

No problem that money won't solve... unless you have a criminal background that is. ;)




Scratch that... probably many criminals own one. :think:

[CHUG]

Would it be true to say that if you're buying a Glock you're buying a good quality handgun?

[Safiel]

Would it be true to say that if you're buying a Glock you're buying a good quality handgun?

Absolutely true. Never had any problems with mine and never heard of anybody I know having any problems with theirs. From a quality and reliability standpoint, Glock is 100%.

[Samm]

Absolutely true. Never had any problems with mine and never heard of anybody I know having any problems with theirs. From a quality and reliability standpoint, Glock is 100%.

I know of two Glocks that blew up through the magazine, but then that is not unique to Glocks. Their strength is that they will feed pretty nearly any ammunition without difficulty making them very reliable; their weakness is that they don't point/aim intuitively and their inherent accuracy is mediocre...and they are ugly.

[Drawz]

I know of two Glocks that blew up through the magazine, but then that is not unique to Glocks. Their strength is that they will feed pretty nearly any ammunition without difficulty making them very reliable; their weakness is that they don't point/aim intuitively and their inherent accuracy is mediocre...and they are ugly.

What is inherent accuracy?

[Samm]

What is inherent accuracy?

The accuracy unrelated to the variables induced by the shooter. i.e. the accuracy of the gun when fired from shooting gun vise.

[Drawz]

The accuracy unrelated to the variables induced by the shooter. i.e. the accuracy of the gun when fired from shooting gun vise.

Ah, thanks.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Absolutely true. Never had any problems with mine and never heard of anybody I know having any problems with theirs. From a quality and reliability standpoint, Glock is 100%.

My glock malfunctions time to time, and I have to clear the round from the chamber. I'd say this happens every 500 rounds.

[FidelisAdMortem]

The accuracy unrelated to the variables induced by the shooter. i.e. the accuracy of the gun when fired from shooting gun vise.

My eyes must calculate that then, b/c I'm an NYPD qualified pistol expert with my glock 19 hehe.

[Samm]

My eyes must calculate that then, b/c I'm an NYPD qualified pistol expert with my glock 19 hehe.

That tells us nothing... what sort of group do you produce and at what distance.

[FidelisAdMortem]

That tells us nothing... what sort of group do you produce and at what distance.

Relax, you're so uptight.

[Samm]

Relax, you're so uptight.

What gives you the idea I'm not relaxed? :eh:

It was a simple request... You made a general statement; I asked you to quantify it. How else do we know what shooting "expert" means?

[FidelisAdMortem]

25 yrd distance, silhouette of an upperbody with a circle centermass that is approx 3-4 inches top/bottome/side to side. Rapid fire of entire mag/one in the chamber which is 16 rounds, since my mag holds 15. Then again at 15, then again at 7. All must be center mass within the circle.

[Samm]

25 yrd distance, silhouette of an upperbody with a circle centermass that is approx 3-4 inches top/bottome/side to side. Rapid fire of entire mag/one in the chamber which is 16 rounds, since my mag holds 15. Then again at 15, then again at 7. All must be center mass within the circle.

See... that wasn't so hard now was it. Thanks. ;)

[FidelisAdMortem]

No problem, just being my difficult self.

[toeknee]

Thank you. I am, in fact, planning to use it primarily for concealed carry.

If you plan on carrying it a lot think about size and weight
so you may have to give up some fire power for that! :((

[toeknee]

My eyes must calculate that then, b/c I'm an NYPD qualified pistol expert with my glock 19 hehe.

NYPD gualified!!!! soooo......you can fire your gun even when drunk? :))

[JDGreen]

Glock 23 is really the way I am leaning....

That's what I have and I have no issues with it other than what another poster said and that's the blockiness of the barrel being a little uncomfortable for concealed carry... You get used to it, tho and if you have a shoulder holster, it's not really an issue.. I like the Glock 23 and I chose the .40 over the 9mm and .45 because it's got more knock down power than the 9 and doesn't fall off as much ballistically as the .45 giving it a little more range.. You really can't go wrong with the 23...

[The Bos'un]

Go fire all three. You will get a feel of how each one fits your hand and your instinct.

[The Bos'un]

1911 great weapon. I can field strip it and put it back together blindfolded. And I can hit most targets strong hand or weak hand, and during low light conditions.

[Samm]

1911 great weapon. I can field strip it and put it back together blindfolded. And I can hit most targets strong hand or weak hand, and during low light conditions.

Very true... but for cc I would still go for a Sig 239 SAS in .40 S&W.

[The Bos'un]

Sig works well to. I just kind of like the old 1911..... I grew up with it.

[Claymore]

If you have to get a Glock, get a Glock 21 in .45 ACP, go big bore or stay home.:D

I'm a 1911 man m'self.

[Claymore]

NYPD gualified!!!! soooo......you can fire your gun even when drunk? :))

No,,, when eating a cruller and drinking a Coke.

[Samm]

Sig works well to. I just kind of like the old 1911..... I grew up with it.

I have nothing bad to say about 1911s... I love my Springfield... but you have to have a large frame to get away with carrying one concealed. Nearly anyone can carry the 239 concealed. And regardless of the dynamic ballistics of the .45 ACP; the .40 S&W with the proper bullet will serve every bit as well.

Besides... one should never pass up a good excuse to purchase another firearm. ;)

[ALBOB2]

I have nothing bad to say about 1911s... I love my Springfield... but you have to have a large frame to get away with carrying one concealed. Nearly anyone can carry the 239 concealed. And regardless of the dynamic ballistics of the .45 ACP; the .40 S&W with the proper bullet will serve every bit as well.

I'm gonna disagree here. Reference my earlier post, it's the thickness of a handgun that determines its concealability. A standard 1911 frame (Not a double stack) is one of the slimest on the market. My wife is only 5'3" and she conceals her Springfield Champion just fine.

Besides... one should never pass up a good excuse to purchase another firearm. ;)

Now THAT is something we can ALL agree on.

[Samm]

I'm gonna disagree here. Reference my earlier post, it's the thickness of a handgun that determines its concealability. A standard 1911 frame (Not a double stack) is one of the slimest on the market. My wife is only 5'3" and she conceals her Springfield Champion just fine.
If we did not disagree on a few things now and then, what would we have to talk about? :D

And I still disagree... The width of the 1911 is 1.3 inches (mine with Hogue grips is closer to 1.25"); the 239 is 1.2 inches. And the barrel length is important. The overall length of the 1911 is almost 2 inches more than the Sig. I expect that is why your wife carries a Champion rather than a full size, but even at that, it is an inch longer than the Sig. It is a .45... it needs to be bigger.

The Sig 239 SAS is de-horned (great for cc), two-toned and bears beautiful wood grips... I bet if you laid that Champion side by side with the Sig, your wife would chose the latter. ;)

http://www.sigarmsusa.com/229SAS-left.jpg

Now THAT is something we can ALL agree on.
I suspect we agree on far more than we disagree when it comes to this topic. ;)

[FidelisAdMortem]

NYPD gualified!!!! soooo......you can fire your gun even when drunk? :))

Well yea duh, isnt that when its suppose to be fired?

[ALBOB2]

If we did not disagree on a few things now and then, what would we have to talk about? :D

And I still disagree... The width of the 1911 is 1.3 inches (mine with Hogue grips is closer to 1.25"); the 239 is 1.2 inches. And the barrel length is important. The overall length of the 1911 is almost 2 inches more than the Sig. I expect that is why your wife carries a Champion rather than a full size, but even at that, it is an inch longer than the Sig. It is a .45... it needs to be bigger.

The Sig 239 SAS is de-horned (great for cc), two-toned and bears beautiful wood grips... I bet if you laid that Champion side by side with the Sig, your wife would chose the latter. ;)

http://www.sigarmsusa.com/229SAS-left.jpg


I suspect we agree on far more than we disagree when it comes to this topic. ;)


Woah. I need to back WAY up. Somehow I glossed over the fact that we'd switched from Glock talk to Sig talk. Yeah, Sigs are sweeeeet. She's been yearning for a 229 (Or something like that. I lose track of all the numbers.) for a while now but got sidetracked by SASS and buying all our cowboy guns.

[Samm]

Woah. I need to back WAY up. Somehow I glossed over the fact that we'd switched from Glock talk to Sig talk. Yeah, Sigs are sweeeeet. She's been yearning for a 229 (Or something like that. I lose track of all the numbers.) for a while now but got sidetracked by SASS and buying all our cowboy guns.

Well frankly, I don't consider Glocks worth talking about so I am just trying to steer SaintVegas in a better direction. ;)



If I wanted a "plastic" gun, I'd get a Springfield XD... which I did. :D

[Antrel]

I were to concealed carry and Glock, it would be a Glock 19, but from your list, I'd go with the 23 compact. As with any compact for personal, domestic defense, I'd strongly suggest 9mm - and this is coming from someone who used and greatly preferred a .45 for my military sidearm.

[Creefer]

I like my glock 23 .40 compact for a carry weapon. Small enough, yet plenty of stopping power. Easy to use and clean.

[Dragon1963]

Well frankly, I don't consider Glocks worth talking about so I am just trying to steer SaintVegas in a better direction. ;)



If I wanted a "plastic" gun, I'd get a Springfield XD... which I did. :D

My big peeve with Glocks is the in trigger safety. Great idea, but unless you handle and fire your Glock almost everyday that trigger safety is going to cause you trouble. Had a pizzaria owner here in Tucson get killed when he tried to use his recently purchased Glock and wasn't able to get the trigger safety engaged properly.

I'll stick with a handgun with a more standard safety. Like my S&W 3919.

[drylok]

I were to concealed carry and Glock, it would be a Glock 19, but from your list, I'd go with the 23 compact. As with any compact for personal, domestic defense, I'd strongly suggest 9mm - and this is coming from someone who used and greatly preferred a .45 for my military sidearm.

I see you're in the regime of "ILL" ANNOY". I wondered if you have aquired a CCW from another state so you can exercise your right when not in this God forsaken dump?

[ALBOB2]

Had a pizzaria owner here in Tucson get killed when he tried to use his recently purchased Glock and wasn't able to get the trigger safety engaged properly.

Let me guess; it wouldn't go "BANG" so he performed the first step in the troubleshooting tree, looking down the barrel. :rolleyes:

I don't like Glocks for a number of reasons. But, for someone to kill themselves with one means they violated a LARGE number of safe gun handling rules. In those cases I don't blame the gun. Just like I don't blame guns for causing crime.

[Antrel]

I see you're in the regime of "ILL" ANNOY". I wondered if you have aquired a CCW from another state so you can exercise your right when not in this God forsaken dump?Whoops for out-dated information. I'll have to get on that. Nowadays I'm in Oregon, where it's surprisingly easy to obtain a CCW permit considering the state's political leanings. I personally have not gotten one yet, I haven't carried a weapon since the military, but I'm sure if things go a certain way, that will change in the upcoming years.

[MasterBlaster]

In about two weeks I will have enough money saved to purchase a Glock. My question for those of you in the know is which one would you say that I purchase? I cannot decide between a Glock 17, Glock 22, or a Glock 23. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Go ahead and get your Glock. Don't go complaining to anybody or dare to call it a "misfire" when it goes off unexpectedly because the safety, the device to keep the weapon from firing is located on the trigger, the device that fires the weapon. I'd rather throw a rock or retire from the battlefield before I choose to use field of those pieces of crap.

[Drawz]

Go ahead and get your Glock. Don't go complaining to anybody or dare to call it a "misfire" when it goes off unexpectedly because the safety, the device to keep the weapon from firing is located on the trigger, the device that fires the weapon. I'd rather throw a rock or retire from the battlefield before I choose to use field of those pieces of crap.

I'm not a gun owner but I've often wondered about the wisdom of that particular design feature.

[Samm]

My big peeve with Glocks is the in trigger safety. Great idea, but unless you handle and fire your Glock almost everyday that trigger safety is going to cause you trouble. Had a pizzaria owner here in Tucson get killed when he tried to use his recently purchased Glock and wasn't able to get the trigger safety engaged properly.

I'll stick with a handgun with a more standard safety. Like my S&W 3919.

Yeah... same problem with the Springfield XD. Lawyers are steadily killing the functionality of handguns.

[Samm]

Go ahead and get your Glock. Don't go complaining to anybody or dare to call it a "misfire" when it goes off unexpectedly because the safety, the device to keep the weapon from firing is located on the trigger, the device that fires the weapon. I'd rather throw a rock or retire from the battlefield before I choose to use field of those pieces of crap.

Don't hold back... tell us what you really think of Glocks. :))

[Apatriot]

Go ahead and get your Glock. Don't go complaining to anybody or dare to call it a "misfire" when it goes off unexpectedly because the safety, the device to keep the weapon from firing is located on the trigger, the device that fires the weapon. I'd rather throw a rock or retire from the battlefield before I choose to use field of those pieces of crap.

The Glock's safety is only there to keep it from discharging by a blow, etc. It's not designed to stop someone from pulling the trigger. To some degree, safeties are unnecessary, and IMHO, are dangerous. Treat all guns as if they are loaded, and you don't need a safety.

[Dragon1963]

The Glock's safety is only there to keep it from discharging by a blow, etc. It's not designed to stop someone from pulling the trigger. To some degree, safeties are unnecessary, and IMHO, are dangerous. Treat all guns as if they are loaded, and you don't need a safety.

You mean the Glock's trigger safety doesn't prevent someone who is very familiar with the trigger action of the Glock from firing it.

[Dragon1963]

Yeah... same problem with the Springfield XD. Lawyers are steadily killing the functionality of handguns.

Lawyers are steadily killing a lot of stuff.

[VCaddy05]

Well frankly, I don't consider Glocks worth talking about so I am just trying to steer SaintVegas in a better direction. ;)



If I wanted a "plastic" gun, I'd get a Springfield XD... which I did. :D

SIG's are great guns, i have a P226 which I love, was built in W. Germany. I was looking at Glock before I got the sig, glad I went with the sig, but the thing i dont like about them is they all have that giant heel! i guess its comfortable for some, but i found it large,and at an odd grip.

Hell the first hand gun I bought was a S&W sigma, its alot like a glock, with the same trigger safety and all the plastic ****. Ive had it for years and shot thousands of rounds outta it,and have never had any issues with it. Its not big its light,and it was like under $300 new

[FidelisAdMortem]

There's no such thing as an accidental discharge with a glock.

[Samm]

There's no such thing as an accidental discharge with a glock.

That has kind of a nasty tone to it... :think:

[Spectre]

I know of two Glocks that blew up through the magazine, but then that is not unique to Glocks. Their strength is that they will feed pretty nearly any ammunition without difficulty making them very reliable; their weakness is that they don't point/aim intuitively and their inherent accuracy is mediocre...and they are ugly.

In handgun shooting competition, Team Glock consistently beats very expensive custom Sigs and 1911s with basically stock Glocks right out of the box with just minor modifications.

[Samm]

In handgun shooting competition, Team Glock consistently beats very expensive custom Sigs and 1911s with basically stock Glocks right out of the box with just minor modifications.

That is because Glocks perform very well in rapid fire situations... minimal muzzle rise. The gun comes back to neutral very quickly particularly compared to a 1911. And at the level of competition, inherent accuracy of the gun is not nearly as critical as shooter ability. These guys (and gals) shoot thousands and thousands of rounds to perfect their technique. They don't have to take any time to aim; they know where the bullet is going instinctively.

But I still prefer a Sig over a Glock any day of the week.

[Spectre]

It should be noted that like the Glock, Sigs also do not have a traditional thumb safety.

And neither do revolvers.

[ALBOB2]

In handgun shooting competition, Team Glock consistently beats very expensive custom Sigs and 1911s with basically stock Glocks right out of the box with just minor modifications.

I'm not going to bet my next paycheck on it but, I have a VERY strong feeling that's because of the advertising budget they sink into hiring the top shooters in the world to be Team Glock.

Smith & Wesson probably sinks the same amount of $$$ into sponsoring their shooters but, they're spread over a wider range of disciplines.

The only factory sponsored shoot I know of from Sprinfield Armory is Rob Letham.