Have you ever served time in prison ?

[Adamster202]

I started watch the 'lock up' series lately on MSNBC. I am interested in hearin if the situatuions they show are authentic in your opinion, if you bother watching. I am interested in how some inmates learn a lesson from their experience and how many do not. How do you control yourself there from committing more violence. THey show people who have many years left bec. of violence they did in prison, that they would have been out already.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Im serving a 20 yr sentence. I have 14 years to go.

[JimGP20]

Have you ever served time in prison ?


No.

[pattyk]

ah been framed!!!!!!!!!!!

no. lol

[Buffalo]

Well I ain't seen the sunsine since I don't know when, I'm stuck in Folsom prison, and time keeps draggin on....

[Backwoods]

No.12 hours in a county slam was enough for me.

"It aint me,I aint do nothin!"

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I worked at a prison for a while, but I've never been locked up.

[jeepers]

Nothing worse than a speeding ticket, sorry.

You might get better luck with this question over at the DU.

:mrgreen:

[NascarGirl2448]

Nope.

[AutoRacer55]

Does marriage count?

If so, no, I haven't.

[GregMartin]

No, but I know someone who should be saying

[gdoane]

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

The recidivism rate is 67.5%. Two out of three inmates released from prison wind up being returned for new offenses within two years of release.

Our jail sentences are RIDICULOUSLY LENIENT.

1/3rd of sentences are "time served", meaning one out of three people convicted walk out of the courtroom convicted and free as a bird.

It's HARD to get sentenced to prison in the USA. You have to screw up REALLY REALLY BAD to wind up behind bars here.

I know, the USA is supposedly the prisoner capital of the world reporting 750 out of every 100,000 citizens imprisoned (0.75%) but that's because the USA is truthful. These other nations like Cuba reporting an incarceration rate of 0 per 100,000 citizens, who in the heck buys that?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita

If Cuba has no prisoners it's only because they all got taken on Guido rides with concrete galoshes for the ultimate in deep sea fishing.

"Ve Haf No Prisoner!" - Fidel Castro

Yeah, right, you're running a beautiful nation, pinko boy.

[ExDem]

Of course not. You might want to go over the DU or Huffpo. I think you will get a lot more "yes" answers over there.

[PredFan]

Of course not. You might want to go over the DU or Huffpo. I think you will get a lot more "yes" answers over there.

But it wasn't their faut. They were being oppressed by The Man.

[oakleaf98]

But it wasn't their faut. They were being oppressed by The Man.

I lol'd at that post.

/me :giggles:

[gdoane]

But it wasn't their faut. They were being oppressed by The Man.

I never got that logic. I mean seriously, if I'm going to oppress somebody for power or money, wouldn't I go after people who HAVE power or money?

My favorite conspiracy theory of all time has got to be that George Bush(41), while he was head of the CIA, directed the invention of crack cocaine to increase addiction in inner city slums and make the poor get poorer while the rich got richer.

I've tried to figure out how this plan actually worked.

I'm Joe Sixpack, sitting on my couch and the doorbell rings. "Ding-dong". There's a guy from the CIA with a baggie in his hand saying "I'm from the CIA and I'd like you to smoke this please."

And my answer is yes??

Now don't get me wrong, I love the CIA, have 'em on speed dial (you think I'm kidding, but nope, that's true) but my own MOTHER could show up on my doorstep asking me to smoke a rock and I'd be saying WHAT THE HEY??? NO!!!!

It's an uncomfortable truth that poor people wind up in prison more, but I think it's a cycle of broken homes. Some people call it racism on display, some say that it's proof that the rich class gets the thrills while the lower class pays the bills, but I don't think that's the case at all.

The basic building block of a society is a family. A man, a woman, raising children. Tonight, over half of all the children in America will sleep in a home without a father under the roof. Even worse, over half of all separated fathers (fathers in name only) fail to pay child support.

Those broken families, women with children alone in a broken home with only half of a family network usually worse off than she is tries to raise a kid on welfare and what's the kid going to see as a way out of poverty if Momma can't find the way?

Boys are gonna see the way out of poverty as "To Hell With This, I'm OUTTA HERE like Poppa did." and girls are going to learn nice handwriting for their welfare forms.

I believe that our current prison crisis is brought about by the welfare state encouraging broken homes, deadbeat dads, concentration camps called "projects" and the criminals who seek a family in gangs because a welfare mom ain't a family.

It's a fact that 90% of people who wind up in prison are male.

Males are more aggressive, more possessive, more impulsive than females are. Not a criticism, just an acknowledgment. Women can't raise boys alone and they shouldn't even try because they have no experience at being boys. They don't know the impulses, the aggression, or how to control a temper.

They cannot teach what they do not know. It takes a mother and a father to raise a child properly. A woman cannot teach a man to be a man. No experience. That's why the majority of prisoners are men from broken homes and it's why the more broken homes there are in America, the more prisoners there will be.

It's a nasty fact of life, but guys can make babies in 10 minutes flat and run like Hell. Women can't exactly be a blank line on the birth certificate. When Doc cuts the umbilical, he pretty much knows who the Mommy is.

Back in the day, guys weren't allowed to run. You make baby, you get married, them's the rules.

Now with the welfare state, guys are running free and clear. A welfare check is sexist as all heck. The woman doesn't need a husband or a breadwinner, the Federal Government is the new Daddy!

She gets a CHECK!

It takes more than money to raise a kid right, and more perspective than a female viewpoint alone can provide. Not disrespecting female views at all, I'm just saying that it takes two to make a baby and it takes two to raise one.

[Ballygrl]

Until recently brother-in-law was a state prison guard ("corrections officer"). He says some inmates enjoy prison life. Some of the amenities include:

7. Access to female guards (hanky-panky)


No, never been in jail. How is it that guards are allowed to get away with this?

Also something that always bothered me, why are prisoners allowed to rape other prisoners and they can get away with it? why do the guards turn their eyes to it? Seems to me if someone commits a minor crime like pot possession as an example and sentenced to maybe a few months, they shouldn't be subjected to rape, or anyone else who commits a crime for that matter. If it's consensual it's 1 thing, but by force? that's so wrong.

Is rape rampant in prison like I've heard? or is it few and far between?

[Ballygrl]

Does marriage count?

If so, no, I haven't.

Now that's not nice :naughty:

:)

[AutoRacer55]

Now that's not nice :naughty:

:)

I know, but I'm just having some fun.

[Ballygrl]

I know, but I'm just having some fun.

I know, it's a guy thing, they can't admit they love being married. :)

[khigh]

Never been locked up, but have been to several prisons doing stuff like Cadet Lawman (Oklahoma Highway Patrol- went to McAlester to see Death Row inmates speak) summer camp. My uncle was Under Sheriff for Oklahoma County, so I have seen the inside of the Oklahoma County Jail several times. Same food there that they served us in school.

[notluzn]

It's probably safe to say that most people that get arrested are Liberal

[snagswolf]

This thread reminds me of the questionaire they ask you when you go to donate blood. One of the questions is, "Have you ever been in jail for more than 72 hours?"

I've never been in jail, but if I ever am, I sure as hell want to get out before 72 hours is up.

[Antrel]

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

The recidivism rate is 67.5%. Two out of three inmates released from prison wind up being returned for new offenses within two years of release.

Our jail sentences are RIDICULOUSLY LENIENT.

1/3rd of sentences are "time served", meaning one out of three people convicted walk out of the courtroom convicted and free as a bird.

It's HARD to get sentenced to prison in the USA. You have to screw up REALLY REALLY BAD to wind up behind bars here.

I know, the USA is supposedly the prisoner capital of the world reporting 750 out of every 100,000 citizens imprisoned (0.75%) but that's because the USA is truthful. These other nations like Cuba reporting an incarceration rate of 0 per 100,000 citizens, who in the heck buys that?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita

If Cuba has no prisoners it's only because they all got taken on Guido rides with concrete galoshes for the ultimate in deep sea fishing.

"Ve Haf No Prisoner!" - Fidel Castro

Yeah, right, you're running a beautiful nation, pinko boy.Considering more than 1 in 10 men will have gone to prison in their lifetime, I wouldn't say it's too difficult. What evidence would suggest that lengthening prison terms would help reduce crime, unless of course you suggest a lifetime imprisonment for theft? How many of those "return convicts" were innocent when thrown in jail, and committed a crime afterwards? How many committed a minor crime and committed a more severe one upon leaving? Prisoners talk and learn from each other, if one becomes bitter enough during incarciration, he'll have the will and the know-how to go out and do something much more hurtful than sling an 8-ball downtown. Prison is not the solution. It's the feel-good response we have to crime with the golden calf that is our justice system.

[Ballygrl]

According to all the most reliable sources and reports, penitentiary wardens and their lieutenants are literally obsessed with maintaining peace and order within their prisons. High-salaried wardens are under great stress and are constantly worried about the possiblity of triggering any adverse publicity regarding the confines of their commands (inside the prison walls).

Their primary goal and personal mission is to make it through the day without any kind of disturbance or noisy public problem in their prisons. Consequently they'll do about anything to appease both inmates and staff thus maintaining and guaranteeing the quiet and subtle cooperation of the collective "family."

Inmates themselves know their demands are always on the verge of pushing the envelope a little too far. They don't want to over do it and upset their rather comfortable lifestyle (under the circumstances). Inmate leaders will often advise prisoners to not get too overzealous and try to take advantage of a tolerable situation or a generous and understanding warden.

Prison system hierarchy and superintendents from the "outside" make routine inspections of prison facilities. Wardens, guards and inmates know they're coming and everyone tries to be on their best behavior during the inspection period. The superintendents will be impressed with the outward order and decorum and will write glowing commendations and reports about the warden, the staff, the inmates and the idyllic prison facility.

As long as the inmates are happy and don't "act up," everyone will be happy. The warden is indebted to the guards and inmates.

How does that answer my question though about rape being tolerated in prison?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

This thread reminds me of the questionaire they ask you when you go to donate blood. One of the questions is, "Have you ever been in jail for more than 72 hours?"

I've never been in jail, but if I ever am, I sure as hell want to get out before 72 hours is up.

Seriously.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

How does that answer my question though about rape being tolerated in prison?
For the same reason drug use is "tolerated"...happy inmates don't tend to riot.

[ArmyMAJretired]

Have you ever watched a gladiator movie Timmy?

[gdoane]

Considering more than 1 in 10 men will have gone to prison in their lifetime, I wouldn't say it's too difficult.

You call them men as though they're mature people. The amount of immaturity on display is just nuts. Prison guards are baby sitters dealing with 200-pound crybabies.


What evidence would suggest that lengthening prison terms would help reduce crime, unless of course you suggest a lifetime imprisonment for theft?

That's not my solution. Making the penal system completely public and transparent is my solution. Using the internet as the new "Scarlet Letter" is the way I'd go.

We're supposed to have a totally transparent legal system and we don't. Liberals have made it so that criminal pasts are treated as private privileged information and that's wrong. Every record that goes through a court should be wide open and viewable by the public so we can see what our tax dollars are paying for and what vermin we're being protected from.

How many of those "return convicts" were innocent when thrown in jail, and committed a crime afterwards? How many committed a minor crime and committed a more severe one upon leaving? Prisoners talk and learn from each other, if one becomes bitter enough during incarciration, he'll have the will and the know-how to go out and do something much more hurtful than sling an 8-ball downtown. Prison is not the solution. It's the feel-good response we have to crime with the golden calf that is our justice system.

You've got to screw up so bad in the USA to get thrown in prison that nobody gets into jail innocent. Cripes, O.J. Simpson walked. Blood in his truck, DNA at the crime scene, motive, opportunity, and he walked.

That means that everybody in prison is super guilty. Considering that your hands have to be dripping red with blood to get convicted and all.

[Frau Blucher]

Have you ever watched a gladiator movie Timmy?



:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Classic!!!

[Ballygrl]

For the same reason drug use is "tolerated"...happy inmates don't tend to riot.

Horrible reason then for ruining someone else's life though.

[gdoane]

Have you ever watched a gladiator movie Timmy?

I don't know what's more disturbing, that you remember that line or I remember the Leslie Nielson film it comes from.

Guess I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Horrible reason then for ruining someone else's life though.
No doubt...and it's not like they don't PUNISH those who actually get caught. But the rate of people who will actually snitch is quite low because they know if they do they'll get it worse the next time.

(I swear...I've never done time...I just worked there)

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Have you ever watched a gladiator movie Timmy?
I'd like to see YOUR father run his ass off up and down the floor with Bill Russell!

[Ruzzty]

"Have you ever served time in prison ?"

No :flag:

[gdoane]

I'd like to see YOUR father run his ass off up and down the floor with Bill Russell!

Striker, listen and you listen close. Flying an airplane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put a baseball card in the spokes.

[AutoRacer55]

Striker, listen and you listen close. Flying an airplane is no different than riding a bicycle, just a lot harder to put a baseball card in the spokes.

Johnny, what can you make out of this?

Johnny: This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl...

[5thIDSoldier]

I have been married and divorced. Does that count as prison time?

[samurai7]

No, never been arrestred, never been in prison.

:rolleyes:

You know, you obey the laws, and for some strange reason, the cops leave you alone. They don't oppress you or anything.

Strange that . . .

:rolleyes:

[CaptPops]

Her father said that I had two choices, marry his daughter or do thirty years in prison.

So far, I've done 48 years and we have great-grandkids...

[Frau Blucher]

Johnny, what can you make out of this?

Johnny: This? Why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl...


Thats one of my favorite scenes from the movie!!!!

[Ballygrl]

Thats one of my favorite scenes from the movie!!!!

Here's all the Johnny clips from Airplane, that scene is 45 seconds into the youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YV5h6xzGKo

[PheonixOps]

Well I ain't seen the sunsine since I don't know when, I'm stuck in Folsom prison, and time keeps draggin on....

By Mr. Cash, wasn't Merle Haggard the one that actually spent time in Folsom?

[notluzn]

If I would have kept running with the gangs I would either be in prison or dead.

[ExCon27]

I started watch the 'lock up' series lately on MSNBC. I am interested in hearin if the situatuions they show are authentic in your opinion, if you bother watching. I am interested in how some inmates learn a lesson from their experience and how many do not. How do you control yourself there from committing more violence. THey show people who have many years left bec. of violence they did in prison, that they would have been out already.

I have seen some of those shows and some of the prisons seem very tough but I'm guessing they probably show the worst ones. I've been in prison in England and it's tough enough but the gang thing isn't really an issue over here or the rape thing either - don't know how bad it is in USA but it's the thing people ask you about. I know it's got to be different over there but I'll tell you how I found it.

I've been locked up twice - once in army jail and just recently in civvy prison - both very different.

I got 6 months in army jail - well it's called MCTC - Military Corrective Training Centre in Colchester in England. If you've been in the army it's like basic training only alot worse and it lasts for longer. When I arrived there you were 'welcomed' by being roared at and beasted for hours. You start off with basically nothing and have to earn everything. We were separated into units depending on whether you were staying in the army or being thrown out after you did your time. I was staying on so the days were spent doing drill, PT, excercises, going at double time everywhere. We had kit and bed inspections all the time and everywhere had to be kept spotlessly clean by us. We were kept going from first thing in the morning up to the evening. You just got a bit of time to yourself in the evening but each night you were ready to get some sleep. There was no time for getting into any bother there and if you did what you were told things went OK. There was no TV or many luxuries - privileges like getting a radio, being able to smoke etc. all had to be earned. I have to say I got back to my unit fitter than I ever had been before and although I had got used to the way of life there I would never want to go back. I don't think many do. That said if you do something bad enough you get kicked out of the army so you couldn't end up ack in there. But it's a tough place to be.

I left the army in 2007 and I got into some trouble shortly after and I got 2 years in civvy prison. I did just under a year inside and am out on license now. That was very different - you end up with a lot of different people - some are grand and some are mad and some are just bad. After being in the army prison isn't that bad as you are used to discipline and being told what to do but it is boring being locked up in a stinking cell for 23 hours some day with someone you don't get on with. There is more hassle in civvy prison as people are let away with things they wouldn't be in the army nick. Some of the screws are fine nad treat people OK but some are dicks and some shouldn'be in the job. The worse thing about prison for me was not being with my girlfriend and we just had a kid before I got sent down so missing a year of her life was difficult. My girlfriend stuck by me though and having a kid now is the biggest reason to stay out of trouble and not go back inside. I'm 27 now and don't want to waste any more of my life.

You aren't let get out of line in army jail but in regular prison it can happen - with hundreds of men together there is bound to be some hassle. You have to do your best to avoid it - but most people I found are just trying to do their time and get back out and don't want to make trouble. Depending on who you are hanging around with things can just kick off and it is hard to just keep out of it but you have to try your best but it's harder than you think if you've never been inside.

[Hereintheusa]

My father in law was a corrections officer and he explained that in most prisons it is like a powder keg ready to go off at any time certain small infractions are ignored because they need to choose their battles carefully.

Plus the guards are and always wll be outnumbered by the inmates, it is impossible for them to be everywhere at every moment. So crimes like rape are bound to happen.

He also said that there is a huge amount of corruption within the penal system, most of the drugs (where he worked) was bought in by the guards. He said some of his colleagues did it for money and other guards (like him) turned a blind eye because it kept the lid on the powder keg.

[Stantz]

me and a friend were detained for a few hours by Belgium authorities while taking a train from Amsterdam to Paris.
(i was pretty young at the time).
They suspected we may have been carrying a substance legal in the Netherlands but not so much so in Belgium..
and of course we were not .. *cough, cough*

[educ8er]

I started watch the 'lock up' series lately on MSNBC. I am interested in hearin if the situatuions they show are authentic in your opinion, if you bother watching. I am interested in how some inmates learn a lesson from their experience and how many do not. How do you control yourself there from committing more violence. THey show people who have many years left bec. of violence they did in prison, that they would have been out already.

There are so many pieces of this puzzle that "learning lessons" or not is small. Many are in prison for lack of an education. Yes it was their choice, but that is another story. It is what it is...a lack of education.

Education in the prisons is in many cases a program taught by volunteers. Guess how many are educators? Guess how many are trained to teach adults? Education has problems and prisoners are hardly educated, but then again it depends on how long they were in. Someone gets two years is hardly enough time to bring someone to GED status.

Let's lengthen the time...supposed our convict serves 8 years. Even if they have an education, many employers will not hire them. So how do they live? Where do they live? A recent article in the Washington Post provided information on ex-convicts. Half of released ex-convicts are unemployed. Why? Jobless, uneducated, untrained, inexperienced, all are indicators of why they might return to crime.

Many are released without clothing. Those released usually have clothing that does not fit, not presentable for job interviews, and is the only set they have. Let's say a convict is housed in a Florida prison but his family lives in West Virginia. When he is released he is released in Florida unless he has someone who will "sign" for him in West Virginia. Now he is homeless, without family support (although that could be a good thing as sometimes the family drove him to his crime), and completely without support.

Say our ex-convict served 8 years. Who would he know when he was released? He went in at 24 and now released at 32. Life has literally passed him by. What would he know from 8 years of near isolation. Now, we have talked about men, women are worse in many cases. A woman released after 8 years has many hurdles, including homeless, chances of being raped higher because of her homelessness, if she had children they have grown and really do not know their mother (the same could be said for our male ex-convict.)

Merging this group back into society has many challenges, most of which are not addressed or considered.

[FidelisAdMortem]

If I would have kept running with the gangs I would either be in prison or dead.

Dungeons/Dragons fantasy doesnt count.

[gdoane]

There are so many pieces of this puzzle that "learning lessons" or not is small. Many are in prison for lack of an education. Yes it was their choice, but that is another story. It is what it is...a lack of education.

You can't teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and annoys the pig.

In an ideal world every student would be bright and attentive and happy and ready for lessons. Prisoners tend to be none of the above. They don't have an education because they're incapable of being taught anything.

Education in the prisons is in many cases a program taught by volunteers. Guess how many are educators? Guess how many are trained to teach adults? Education has problems and prisoners are hardly educated, but then again it depends on how long they were in. Someone gets two years is hardly enough time to bring someone to GED status.

What good is a GED anyway? All a GED tells an employer is that the guy is a quitter and that his education consists of passing a 2 hour test that he probably cheated on.

Mishires are very expensive for employers. They have to fill out hours of paperwork to hire a guy in order to satisfy the various government agencies that involve themselves from the IRS to the SSA, and then when the guy doesn't work out the time and money is a waste.

Let's lengthen the time...supposed our convict serves 8 years. Even if they have an education, many employers will not hire them. So how do they live? Where do they live? A recent article in the Washington Post provided information on ex-convicts. Half of released ex-convicts are unemployed. Why? Jobless, uneducated, untrained, inexperienced, all are indicators of why they might return to crime.

Much of that is the fault of the Federal Government and their complete and utter failure to secure the borders. The jobs that would be open for ex-convicts are easily filled by illegal aliens because an employer willing to overlook a shady past is also willing to overlook an immigration status.

Many are released without clothing. Those released usually have clothing that does not fit, not presentable for job interviews, and is the only set they have. Let's say a convict is housed in a Florida prison but his family lives in West Virginia. When he is released he is released in Florida unless he has someone who will "sign" for him in West Virginia. Now he is homeless, without family support (although that could be a good thing as sometimes the family drove him to his crime), and completely without support.

He's a GROWN MAN. He shouldn't need any support. He should be able to pull his own weight and then some. Rugged individualism is the answer. Don't show them any compassion because they'll interpret it as weakness.

Say our ex-convict served 8 years. Who would he know when he was released? He went in at 24 and now released at 32. Life has literally passed him by. What would he know from 8 years of near isolation. Now, we have talked about men, women are worse in many cases. A woman released after 8 years has many hurdles, including homeless, chances of being raped higher because of her homelessness, if she had children they have grown and really do not know their mother (the same could be said for our male ex-convict.)

Most women (and many men) are in prison for drug convictions. Helping them just enables them to continue their self-destructive trip to Hell. Most assistance doesn't help at all. There are situations when doing nothing is better than doing something and this is one of them.

Merging this group back into society has many challenges, most of which are not addressed or considered.

I don't want to be merged with any felon! Society already trusted them once and got gravely disappointed. Why repeat the mistake? 67.5% of felons released wind up back behind bars on new offenses within 2 years of their release. They shouldn't be set free in the first place.

Like that animal in the news last month who kept a little girl locked up for 18 years as a sex slave, because some stupid liberal judge gave convicted rapist Phillip Garrido an early release from his 50-year prison sentence. The guy should still be in prison from his first victim and a liberal judge decided that one rape just wasn't enough for society to take.

The solution is really simple:

Step One: Lock them up.

Step Two: Throw away the key.

[AutoRacer55]

The solution is really simple:

Step One: Lock them up.

Step Two: Throw away the key.

Bad idea. Where you gonna throw the key, right in front of the jail? Their friends will find them! Besides, how far can you throw a key, 50-60 feet?

Bad idea, needs to be rethought.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I haven't seen the inside of a courtroom or holding cell since I was fifteen. And that wasn't even my fault, they were squeezing me on a charge to get me to roll over on a family member.

I would recommend the book Newjack if you want to know what state prison is actually like.

[gdoane]

Bad idea. Where you gonna throw the key, right in front of the jail? Their friends will find them! Besides, how far can you throw a key, 50-60 feet?

Bad idea, needs to be rethought.

Escaping is a bad idea.

I happen to know the penalty for a jailbreak is five years.

It happens all the time at Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Tent City jail. Most of the inmates in Tent City are only in for 30-60 day misdemeanors and a few of them go on work release, so they can keep their jobs, make some money, pay restitution and such.

However, if they decide not to come back, and some actually are that stupid, a 30-day sentence in jail turns into five years in the pen for escape.

It's not an easy five years either, because no Warden is going to have the embarrassment of a guy who already did one jailbreak pull that trick on him so that means lockdown. That means only one hour per day out of your cell for exercise and hygiene with a guard on your butt the whole hour.

If prisoners were smart, you could throw that cell door wide open and they'd stay put. Of course, if they were that smart they probably wouldn't have done things to get thrown in the hoosegow in the first place.

[educ8er]

You can't teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of time and annoys the pig.

In an ideal world every student would be bright and attentive and happy and ready for lessons. Prisoners tend to be none of the above. They don't have an education because they're incapable of being taught anything.



What good is a GED anyway? All a GED tells an employer is that the guy is a quitter and that his education consists of passing a 2 hour test that he probably cheated on.

Mishires are very expensive for employers. They have to fill out hours of paperwork to hire a guy in order to satisfy the various government agencies that involve themselves from the IRS to the SSA, and then when the guy doesn't work out the time and money is a waste.



Much of that is the fault of the Federal Government and their complete and utter failure to secure the borders. The jobs that would be open for ex-convicts are easily filled by illegal aliens because an employer willing to overlook a shady past is also willing to overlook an immigration status.



He's a GROWN MAN. He shouldn't need any support. He should be able to pull his own weight and then some. Rugged individualism is the answer. Don't show them any compassion because they'll interpret it as weakness.



Most women (and many men) are in prison for drug convictions. Helping them just enables them to continue their self-destructive trip to Hell. Most assistance doesn't help at all. There are situations when doing nothing is better than doing something and this is one of them.



I don't want to be merged with any felon! Society already trusted them once and got gravely disappointed. Why repeat the mistake? 67.5% of felons released wind up back behind bars on new offenses within 2 years of their release. They shouldn't be set free in the first place.

Like that animal in the news last month who kept a little girl locked up for 18 years as a sex slave, because some stupid liberal judge gave convicted rapist Phillip Garrido an early release from his 50-year prison sentence. The guy should still be in prison from his first victim and a liberal judge decided that one rape just wasn't enough for society to take.

The solution is really simple:

Step One: Lock them up.

Step Two: Throw away the key.

There are theories that by 2015 roughly 2 children out of every class of 30 will be jailed at some time before they reach 25. I cannot recall the exact research but I wrote a paper on this several months back. If you have not experienced relatives or friends in this situation then good on you and them. Personally, I do have relatives who lived through this mess. I just know what works better than what we are doing.

No it won't solve all the problems with ex-offenders, but I will assure you doing nothing does not improve the problem.

[gdoane]

There are theories that by 2015 roughly 2 children out of every class of 30 will be jailed at some time before they reach 25. I cannot recall the exact research but I wrote a paper on this several months back. If you have not experienced relatives or friends in this situation then good on you and them. Personally, I do have relatives who lived through this mess. I just know what works better than what we are doing.

No it won't solve all the problems with ex-offenders, but I will assure you doing nothing does not improve the problem.

Well, is that an education problem or a parenting problem? I think it's a bad upbringing that's the root cause of the increased incarceration.

I know that High School Dropouts are more than twice as likely as Graduates to wind up in prison, but is that a cause or an effect? Without a home that supports educational achievement kids have a harder time learning. Many get frustrated and quit.

So if an unsupportive home can make or break a child's educational prospects in the school, then won't it have a similar effect on the prospects of winding up in jail as well?

Is it a bad education or a bad attitude caused by a poor upbringing? After all, the USA with the highest incarceration rate (755 per 100,000) has a far better literacy rate (99%) than India (66%) but India's incarceration rate is ridiculously lower (only 29 per 100,000). With our demonstrably superior education rate we're incarcerating 26 times more per capita than India.

Obviously, the equation is not so simple as mere education then. I think it's got a lot more to do with the increase in broken homes, in latchkey kids who don't get the parenting time that kids used to get and in the different way kids are raised these days.

Back when I grew up, parents didn't throw their kids in front of the TV for hours using an electronic babysitter like PlayStation, Cable TV or the VCR (mainly because they didn't exist). Kids wound up getting guidance from their parents that they really can't get from gadgets and gizmos. Nowadays parents park their kids in front of the idiot box instead of raising 'em and we've got problems.

[educ8er]

Well, is that an education problem or a parenting problem? I think it's a bad upbringing that's the root cause of the increased incarceration.

I know that High School Dropouts are more than twice as likely as Graduates to wind up in prison, but is that a cause or an effect? Without a home that supports educational achievement kids have a harder time learning. Many get frustrated and quit.

So if an unsupportive home can make or break a child's educational prospects in the school, then won't it have a similar effect on the prospects of winding up in jail as well?

Is it a bad education or a bad attitude caused by a poor upbringing? After all, the USA with the highest incarceration rate (755 per 100,000) has a far better literacy rate (99%) than India (66%) but India's incarceration rate is ridiculously lower (only 29 per 100,000). With our demonstrably superior education rate we're incarcerating 26 times more per capita than India.

Obviously, the equation is not so simple as mere education then. I think it's got a lot more to do with the increase in broken homes, in latchkey kids who don't get the parenting time that kids used to get and in the different way kids are raised these days.

Back when I grew up, parents didn't throw their kids in front of the TV for hours using an electronic babysitter like PlayStation, Cable TV or the VCR (mainly because they didn't exist). Kids wound up getting guidance from their parents that they really can't get from gadgets and gizmos. Nowadays parents park their kids in front of the idiot box instead of raising 'em and we've got problems.

OK, you have the solution. Now, let's apply that to adult prisoners today. It is what it is.