Why am I still confused?

[JohnGaltLine]

Wasn't that speech last night supposed to contain specifics? Take away all the inspirational mumbo jumbo, and this is what I gathered.

1. The public option isn't necessary.
2. It would be immoral to not provide a public option. (Thanks for the morality lesson, Rev. Wright parishioner!)
3. We must dictate to health insurance companies how they run their business.
4. We should TEST tort reform, but not public health care. (You could argue that medicare has been tested, and failed).
5. And we pay for it buy...eliminating fraud and abuse in medicare. Yep, that'll do it. Riiiiiighht.

Watching Obama explain how we get public health care without it costing anything is like watching the Underpants Gnomes from South Park explain their moneymaking scheme: (Safe for Work and you must watch)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe6kGJDGctU

One great success no one seemed to notice last night: Even without gubment health care, we have managed to insure 17 million of the 47 million uninsured in just the last few weeks! Now, we only have 30 million left to insure according to Obama last night! Notice how when he needs to create the illusion of crisis, the number is 47 million, but when he wants to talk about how it won't cost much, the number magically shrinks by 36%. A few other lies:

1. Insuring (now) 30 million more people will be deficit neutral! (how? skip to phase 3)
2. Only 5% would participate!
3. We're going to test Tort reform! (None of this other stuff needs to be tested, though.)
4. No illegals covered! (what bill is he reading)?
5. No Death Panels! (Now that we just took them off the table. If the panels were so good, why were they removed?)
6. No abortions covered! (Now that you found out we were planning on covering them)

[Electromyographical Alien]

Anybody who was actually swayed by Obama's blabbering and blatant lies last night should really come here and explain why.

Because I agree, there was nothing concrete about anything at all last night.

The only person there who connected with me in making sense was Joe Wilson.

[JohnGaltLine]

Hope and change? More like "more of the same."

What, you don't like this bag of excrement? Well, here, let me take it out of this bag and put in a new, shiny bag with some glitter and ribbon. How do you like this bag of excrement NOW?

[See It Clearly]

Hope and change? More like "more of the same."

What, you don't like this bag of excrement? Well, here, let me take it out of this bag and put in a new, shiny bag with some glitter and ribbon. How do you like this bag of excrement NOW?

You know, if you chant "hope and change" enough times, for a long period of time, one can easily morph that phrase into "we're insane" Try it. I think that is what's happening to Uhmerica.

[mrclark]

ditto....

same stuff re-warmed.

There was one new thing that he glossed over. He did mention tort reform in a backhanded, redheaded stepchild sort of way. It was quickly booooo'd by Democrats.

[GregMartin]

Why am I still confused? Because you think that there's a chance that liberals give a crap about America, or Freedom for that matter, and you think they are just misinformed people with bad ideas insted of the outright malicious evil destroyers that they really are?

[cshoff]

Anybody who was actually swayed by Obama's blabbering and blatant lies last night should really come here and explain why.

Because I agree, there was nothing concrete about anything at all last night.

The only person there who connected with me in making sense was Joe Wilson.

There was nothing at all specific about his "plan" laid out in the speach, because he doesn't know anything specific. The speach contained platitudes and generalizations, some VERY fuzzy math, and a number of contradictory statements and falsehoods. All in all, it was more of the same nonsense we have been hearing from him for the past two years, except unlike when he was campaigning and saying that any health care reform he proposed would be completely optional, he is now saying that he would FORCE everyone to have insurance (which I highly doubt will pass Constitutional muster).

[betwixt]

What, you guys didn't hear, "the buck stops here, No other president has done before but I won't let it stop me and I won't give in", mantra?

[shrek]

There was nothing at all specific about his "plan" laid out in the speach, because he doesn't know anything specific. The speach contained platitudes and generalizations, some VERY fuzzy math, and a number of contradictory statements and falsehoods. All in all, it was more of the same nonsense we have been hearing from him for the past two years, except unlike when he was campaigning and saying that any health care reform he proposed would be completely optional, he is now saying that he would FORCE everyone to have insurance (which I highly doubt will pass Constitutional muster).


Exactly, I am so tired of Obama saying we will pay for this but never, NEVER, NEVER, stating how it will be paid for. Its easy to say you will pay for something. Its quite another to show how.

[ArmyMAJretired]

ditto....

same stuff re-warmed.

There was one new thing that he glossed over. He did mention tort reform in a backhanded, redheaded stepchild sort of way. It was quickly booooo'd by Democrats.

So, when is his next speach about healthcare?

[wonderingrover]

I thought the line about paying for it by eliminating fraud and waste in medicare was especially laughable.

Let's see, you've got a government health insurance policy in place already for a limited number of citizens (medicare), and it is running up the deficit. Now, you want to provide a government healthcare plan for a larger base, and pay for it by fixing fraud and waste within the program you already have. I would say I can count the number of times I have seen that actually happen on one hand, but I don't even need one hand to count to zero.

And of course, we're to believe that this healthcare reform will not run up the deficit itself. But, he's not going to raise taxes on the middle class either.

I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale if anyone's interested......

and I'll even provide some snake oil for free as a bonus....

[cshoff]

I thought the line about paying for it by eliminating fraud and waste in medicare was especially laughable.

Let's see, you've got a government health insurance policy in place already for a limited number of citizens (medicare), and it is running up the deficit. Now, you want to provide a government healthcare plan for a larger base, and pay for it by fixing fraud and waste within the program you already have. I would say I can count the number of times I have seen that actually happen on one hand, but I don't even need one hand to count to zero.

And of course, we're to believe that this healthcare reform will not run up the deficit itself. But, he's not going to raise taxes on the middle class either.

I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale if anyone's interested......

and I'll even provide some snake oil for free as a bonus....

Thus the "fuzzy math" I mentioned in my previous post. Face it, if the government was able to cut fraud, waste, and ineffficiencies out of Medicare to save money, they would have done it years ago so they would have more money available to spend on their pet projects. The entire notion is nonsense.