The religion of peace wants to kill Ohio girl for converting to Christianity

[Dual867PowerMac]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109226

What I did not know until reading this article, is that Rifqa's father abused her. I recall him saying he would not hurt his daughter if she was returned to him. Uh, really?


...the Muslim parents of the 17-year-old are devout members of a mosque with ties to numerous terrorist leaders, according to her attorneys.


Of course, we know the leaders of the Republik of Florida sat on their hands and allowed an innocent woman to be starved to death a few years ago. I'm not optimistic about this young lady's future. And even if she is emancipated, she'll be looking over her shoulder for years wondering when her dhimwit father or his "associates" will strike.

I guarantee that if this girl was a former Christian who is wanting to convert to Islam and seeks to escape an abusive father who doesn't want her to do it, the courts would be tripping over its feet in a mad rush to help her escape the abuse.

Like the author of the article said, "Will everyone stop the PC, religion of peace nonsense … and get serious? Is law enforcement going to stop playing games and protect this young girl or what?"

By the way, if WND bows to pressure to take the page down, I've got it saved with pictures. It's documented.

:pray: for Rifqa.

[Nik Notorious]

Forgive me for missing the point, but does it make someone kool for spelling a word with an unnecessary "k"? Amerika, Republik of Florida, when does it end?

[Clintville]

Since when did we condemn an entire religion for the acts of individuals?

[Dual867PowerMac]

Since when did we condemn an entire religion for the acts of individuals?
For one, since the Islamic holy book calls for the murder of all non-Muslims.

Watch this great film and learn the truth you won't hear in the media (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-871902797772997781&ei=rrWoSof2IcPNlQe76cWiAw&q=islam+what+the+west+needs+to+know&hl=en#).

I think it's particularly telling when Walid Shoebat explains that "jihad" means "self-struggle" and Mein Kampf means "my struggle."

And the religion of peace line you hear so often? The truth is that when all the kuffar are dead and Islam rules the world, then there will be peace.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Forgive me for missing the point, but does it make someone kool for spelling a word with an unnecessary "k"? Amerika, Republik of Florida, when does it end?
When does it end? When people wake the hell up.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Also check out thereligionofpeace.com (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/).

[gdoane]

Okay, somebody has to ask it:

What the heck is a girl in hiding doing putting up a FACEBOOK page? I don't know about you, but if I'm on the run, fearing for my life from a gang of 1.2 Billion people who want to kill me for apostasy, then FACEBOOK wouldn't be my chosen hiding place.

When things don't add up, I get REALLY suspicious.

How abused and oppressed can this little girl be when she's obviously online and maintaining a Facebook page? Does that add up? Wear your Hijab when you're on the internet, girl!?!? Then for a so-called radical Muslim to even be sending a girl to school doesn't make sense either. Psycho class Muslims don't think women should be educated at all. If Daddy is a Sheik in the Taliban I don't think little missy here is getting online and going to school.

Reasons I don't think this is an opressed girl running from a radical Muslim family:

1. A Facebook page? How oppressed can you be and have a Facebook page?
2. Going to school? REALLY? A female? In SCHOOL? Radical Islam?
3. Friends in FLORIDA? She's from OHIO. Do they not have Christians in Ohio?
4. Since when do terrorists post threats on the internet? Don't they value STEALTH?
5. How's a bruised and battered little girl get bus fare to anywhere?

Naah, I'm not ready to buy this. 17 years old is that whole "YOU DON'T OWN ME" rebellion stage and probably the worst thing that could have happened to this kid is that she threw her teeny bopper tantrum so publicly that any web search by an employer, prospective boyfriend, law enforcement or whatever is going to bring her up as "that girl". Especially with such an unusual name.

Think about it. You're an employer and a girl applies for a job. You find out that she thinks 1.2 Billion Muslims want to come kill her. Whether she's right or wrong about that... NEXT APPLICANT PLEASE!

[WhiteHatBobby]

On a more serious issue, Florida didn't want Schiavo killed; it was the courts who wrote the death sentence, and the attorneys who killed her are now in control of health care reform. There was another woman in question.

Islamic "honour killings" are increasing prevalent.

[Buffalo]

Really people.

1. She was a cheerleader in Ohio. Her parents knew this and allowed it. Sounds pretty radical muslim to me. Not just that, the girl seems like she was living a pretty much full western lifestyle.
2. She was befriended by this pastor's wife on Facebook. OK, it was in a prayer group. A little different than just friending someone out of the blue, but a 51 year old woman friends with a 17 year old? That's kinda weird. Not just that, but the woman and girl started calling each other? That's ****ed up.
3. She was bought a bus ticket by someone in Florida. Holy ****, isn't there laws against interstate transport of a minor against their parents wishes?
4. Were's the evidence of any abuse this girl supposedly suffered?


This story screams ********, and I get the impression that this "church" that is harboring, that is was harboring, is a little ****ing nuts.

[Buffalo]

More I read this the more I am disgusted by the pastor and his family and the State of Florida. This girls is an Ohio resident. The family is from Ohio. What the **** jurisdiction does Florida have here? The parents of the girl have been cleared by both the State of Florida and Ohio. They have not harmed or threatened their daughter. This pastor has been quoted as saying "Christians are at war with Islam and that Islam is evil". The pastor and his wife are no longer allowed to see the child. hmmmm. Holy ****, I support the parents of the girl 100% right now. If you don't blindly hate Islam, you cannot seriously support these whackjob pastors. Update, the "church" these "pastors" run is now being reorganized under a new name. hmmmm. If there is any danger to this girl or her family it is a direct result of the garbage these "pastors" have perpetrated. To me they are pretty damn close to kidnappers.

[Pudge]

On a more serious issue, Florida didn't want Schiavo killed; it was the courts who wrote the death sentence, and the attorneys who killed her are now in control of health care reform. There was another woman in question.

Islamic "honour killings" are increasing prevalent.

Wrong. Nobody wanted Terri 'killed'. She was already dead for all intents and purposes- read the autopsy report. Massive brain atrophy, no chance of recovery. Her husband fought to honor Terri's wishes, her parents sought- out of love- to trump his rights as a husband. The courts ruled in Michael's favor.

Nobody sentenced Terri to die.

She 'died' when she collapsed in 1991 and her brain was deprived of oxygen.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109226

What I did not know until reading this article, is that Rifqa's father abused her. I recall him saying he would not hurt his daughter if she was returned to him. Uh, really?





Of course, we know the leaders of the Republik of Florida sat on their hands and allowed an innocent woman to be starved to death a few years ago. I'm not optimistic about this young lady's future. And even if she is emancipated, she'll be looking over her shoulder for years wondering when her dhimwit father or his "associates" will strike.

I guarantee that if this girl was a former Christian who is wanting to convert to Islam and seeks to escape an abusive father who doesn't want her to do it, the courts would be tripping over its feet in a mad rush to help her escape the abuse.

Like the author of the article said, "Will everyone stop the PC, religion of peace nonsense … and get serious? Is law enforcement going to stop playing games and protect this young girl or what?"

By the way, if WND bows to pressure to take the page down, I've got it saved with pictures. It's documented.

:pray: for Rifqa.

I can't get your link to open.....hmmmm...will go searching for link on Google.

I can't make heads or tails of this story as it's being reported on national news. Abuse...what sort of abuse is this girl allegeding anyway? Last I heard, the family gave it's consent for her to stay in Florida...hmmmm....fishy that little tid bit.

Odd story...not enough facts yet to determine what kind of story this is yet.

~Mysty

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

http://blog.taragana.com/n/florida-court-will-send-runaway-ohia-muslim-teen-home-despite-honor-killing-fears-145788/

Excerpt from article:

A judge is expected to rule Friday to send 17-year-old Rifqa Bary, a Muslim, back to her home in Ohio, despite her fears that may become a victim of an honor killing for taking to Christianity and abandoning her parents’ faith.

No mention of abuse or abusive home environment in this article. There is simply the 'stated' fear of a possible honor killing for converting to Christianity....hmmmmm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541205,00.html

Same story from the top of the article...from the middle down we get a bit more background: Excerpt from that portion of the article:

McCarthy said Rifqa's account of how she traveled to Florida has "holes in it," but declined to elaborate. He also declined to respond to allegations that Bary's father abused the girl when he learned of her conversion to Christianity.

So there is a 'claim' of abuse when her parents, (who immigrated from Sri Lanka to get medical help for this daughter), found their daughter had converted to another religion....and as yet, there is no proof of said abuse or abusive home life. Fears or stated fear of what may happen (honor killing) would be beyond stupid at best in the situation. Meaning, police/officials would know who do it if this girl turned up missing or dead. I don't think her parents are that dumb.

No...something is way off about these claims...something very fishy in calm yet understandably worried parents, who are more concerned with their daughters safety and returning to their home state then worried about what religion she is. Florida should send her back...Let the great state of Ohio deal with it...were it should have been dealt with in the first darn place.

~Mysty

[Dual867PowerMac]

I can't get your link to open.....hmmmm...will go searching for link on Google.
WND is sluggish.




I can't make heads or tails of this story as it's being reported on national news. Abuse...what sort of abuse is this girl allegeding anyway? Last I heard, the family gave it's consent for her to stay in Florida...hmmmm....fishy that little tid bit.
Here's the relevant quote:

Geller (of the Atlas Shrugged blog) earlier reported the girl's friends accompanied her to the school counselor after they noticed bruises covering her arms and legs that allegedly resulted from beatings by her father.


And this is from JihadWatch (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027266.php).

On several occasions friends of Rifqa would bring her down to the school counselor because of bruises on her legs and her arms, beatings suffered at the hands of her father and brother (sounds like Islam Said). The middle school, in a serious dereliction of duty, did not report these beatings to child welfare services. Beatings were random, violent, unprovoked. Take, for example, when Rifqa and her father Mohammad were driving in the car. He would force her to wear the hijab, which she hated. In her discomfort she would slouch down, embarrassed, and her father would haul off and sock her in the face so that she never forgot to sit up straight in her costume. The beatings were regular and so much a part of the landscape of Rifqa's life, she became inured to them, just like Amina and Sarah and Aqsa and every "honor" victim.




Odd story...not enough facts yet to determine what kind of story this is yet.
I don't think it's odd whatsoever.

Keep in mind, I am not deriding those Muslims who wish to practice their faith and are no harm to anyone. But it's an undeniable fact that the core of Islam is violence, subjugation of women, murder or assimilation of non-Muslims, and the ultimate: global hegemony of Islam.

[Buffalo]

So we have a bloggers heresay concerning abuse as proof of abuse? Nope, not gonna take that as anything more than it is. Thus far the facts are a seventeen year old who was allowed to be a freaking cheerleader, had a ticket to Florida given to her by a fifty one year old man, so she colud leave the state without the knowledge of her parents. If Islam wasn't part of this story, I can't imagine anyone supporting what these "pastors" have done.

[Dual867PowerMac]

So we have a bloggers heresay concerning abuse as proof of abuse? Nope, not gonna take that as anything more than it is. Thus far the facts are a seventeen year old who was allowed to be a freaking cheerleader, had a ticket to Florida given to her by a fifty one year old man, so she colud leave the state without the knowledge of her parents. If Islam wasn't part of this story, I can't imagine anyone supporting what these "pastors" have done.
Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPG7vU9PQUM)

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[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

WND is sluggish.





Here's the relevant quote:

Geller (of the Atlas Shrugged blog) earlier reported the girl's friends accompanied her to the school counselor after they noticed bruises covering her arms and legs that allegedly resulted from beatings by her father.


And this is from JihadWatch (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/027266.php).

On several occasions friends of Rifqa would bring her down to the school counselor because of bruises on her legs and her arms, beatings suffered at the hands of her father and brother (sounds like Islam Said). The middle school, in a serious dereliction of duty, did not report these beatings to child welfare services. Beatings were random, violent, unprovoked. Take, for example, when Rifqa and her father Mohammad were driving in the car. He would force her to wear the hijab, which she hated. In her discomfort she would slouch down, embarrassed, and her father would haul off and sock her in the face so that she never forgot to sit up straight in her costume. The beatings were regular and so much a part of the landscape of Rifqa's life, she became inured to them, just like Amina and Sarah and Aqsa and every "honor" victim.





I don't think it's odd whatsoever.

Keep in mind, I am not deriding those Muslims who wish to practice their faith and are no harm to anyone. But it's an undeniable fact that the core of Islam is violence, subjugation of women, murder or assimilation of non-Muslims, and the ultimate: global hegemony of Islam.

Your link "Jihad Watch" ....I read the article...and then the comments down below the article. Kid didn't want to wear the hijab..OK....So Dad smacked her around a bit...trying to make her proud to wear a scarf/head gear that showed her as Muslim in public...she didn't want too...he smacked her around....some bruises on her legs and arms. OK...Dad likes to hit instead of parent. Thats not news...we have plenty of um from supposedly Christian families as well. But fine...take him out of the picture like they do any abuser and make him take parenting classes..just like any other parent who goes to far in disciplining their kids vis a vie hitting that leaves bruises.

I'm not advocating that hitting is ok..especially if it leaves bruises...but she's not on deaths door..meaning beaten to a pulp on a regular basis. Many children have survived far worse abuses for far longer..and they aren't running off to Florida to escape are they? Look at the story of little Brianna...there's a thread open in GI on it today. Now that's abuse..and it resulted in a little baby's death. That's abuse in the extreme, granted. This teenager gets smacked around for attitude instead of actually communicating with her father??...and now all of a sudden she's afraid of a honor killing??? Come on...this is teen girl dramatics. She wants to fit in with her peers...not live in the old world that her parents came from.

I'm not buying it. Public schools aren't willing to turn a blind eye towards abuse...no matter what culture the family is from or what religion they may practice. Abuse is abuse..and they are all mandatory reporters...regardless the state the child lives in or the public school she/he attends.

~Mysty

[Buffalo]

Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPG7vU9PQUM)

*** YouTube Warning! ***
Yeah, I watched the whole video, not just that clip. You know who's arm that is around her? That was pretty bad acting IMO, and I'm not sure why. I don't buy it. Show us one bit of evidence, not here say, that she was threatened or abused. And how come these devout muslim parents had no problem with their daughter being a cheerleader?

[Buffalo]

Your link "Jihad Watch" ....I read the article...and then the comments down below the article. Kid didn't want to wear the hijab..OK....So Dad smacked her around a bit...trying to make her proud to wear a scarf/head gear that showed her as Muslim in public...she didn't want too...he smacked her around....some bruises on her legs and arms. OK...Dad likes to hit instead of parent. Thats not news...we have plenty of um from supposedly Christian families as well. But fine...take him out of the picture like they do any abuser and make him take parenting classes..just like any other parent who goes to far in disciplining their kids vis a vie hitting that leaves bruises.

I'm not advocating that hitting is ok..especially if it leaves bruises...but she's not on deaths door..meaning beaten to a pulp on a regular basis. Many children have survived far worse abuses for far longer..and they aren't running off to Florida to escape are they? Look at the story of little Brianna...there's a thread open in GI on it today. Now that's abuse..and it resulted in a little baby's death. That's abuse in the extreme, granted. This teenager gets smacked around for attitude instead of actually communicating with her father??...and now all of a sudden she's afraid of a honor killing??? Come on...this is teen girl dramatics. She wants to fit in with her peers...not live in the old world that her parents came from.

I'm not buying it. Public schools aren't willing to turn a blind eye towards abuse...no matter what culture the family is from or what religion they may practice. Abuse is abuse..and they are all mandatory reporters...regardless the state the child lives in or the public school she/he attends.

~Mysty
If she was smacked around, I mean abused, and the counselor didn't report it? Especially when her friends were supposedly involved in taking her to the counselor? it does not add up at all.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Yeah, I watched the whole video, not just that clip. You know who's arm that is around her? That was pretty bad acting IMO, and I'm not sure why. I don't buy it. Show us one bit of evidence, not here say, that she was threatened or abused. And how come these devout muslim parents had no problem with their daughter being a cheerleader?
Perhaps they didn't know she was a cheerleader.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

If she was smacked around, I mean abused, and the counselor didn't report it? Especially when her friends were supposedly involved in taking her to the counselor? it does not add up at all.

Exactly...something here doesn't add up as to her side of the story.

I've not read where this girl was a cheerleader...but if these parents are so radically/devote/community orientated Muslims...ummmm then how in the heck was their daughter a cheerleader? and before anyone says..they didn't know their daughter was a cheerleader...I have one answer for you...you can't have it both ways...either the parents are radical honor killing belief Muslims who are abusive radical thugs..who would keep their daughter on a tight leash and know when she farted much less what she was or was not doing at school...or...they are regular parents who enrolled their daughter in public school and supported her activities. So..which is it? Can't have it both ways folks. :think:

~Mysty

[Buffalo]

Perhaps they didn't know she was a cheerleader.
The story doesn't add up, and the fact that this fifty one year old pastor bought her a bus ticket to Florida is more disturbing to me than anything else I've read.


Some good info in this article. http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/no-abuse-found-says-attorney-for-muslim-family-of-runaway-christian-teen/1033635

[Buffalo]

I'll tell you what, a fifty one year old man buys my 17 year old daughter a bus ticket and encourages her to leave my state to stay with him and his family, without my knowledge, he better fear for his life.

[Buffalo]

Exactly...something here doesn't add up as to her side of the story.

I've not read where this girl was a cheerleader...but if these parents are so radically/devote/community orientated Muslims...ummmm then how in the heck was their daughter a cheerleader? and before anyone says..they didn't know their daughter was a cheerleader...I have one answer for you...you can't have it both ways...either the parents are radical honor killing belief Muslims who are abusive radical thugs..who would keep their daughter on a tight leash and know when she farted much less what she was or was not doing at school...or...they are regular parents who enrolled their daughter in public school and supported her activities. So..which is it? Can't have it both ways folks. :think:

~Mysty
I think that given the facts so far, if Islam was not involved in this, we'd all be wondering WTH.

[Clintville]

For one, since the Islamic holy book calls for the murder of all non-Muslims.
And how many Muslims engage in or support this?

[Phana24JG]

I'm not buying it. Public schools aren't willing to turn a blind eye towards abuse...no matter what culture the family is from or what religion they may practice. Abuse is abuse..and they are all mandatory reporters...regardless the state the child lives in or the public school she/he attends.

~Mysty

Mysty, you have obviously never been involved with these Islamic whackos. Several years ago when a local school system reported abuse involving three children of some Muslim family, the local imam went haywire. He was screaming discrimination, Islamophobia, and the usual rants of these lunatics, even demanding that CAIR-NY get involved. All of a sudden he shut-up, and a week later was arrested for money laundering and conspiracy to support terrorism. However, the local school districts got the message, and I know of two teachers who were told to ignore obvious abuse involving Muslim children unless the situation appeared to be "life-threatening." The multicuturalist crowd will encourage any behavior provided it is anti-American.

[smyrna]

Since when did we condemn an entire religion for the acts of individuals?

We're waiting for the entire peaceful religion to condemn this non-peaceful act.

[smyrna]

And how many Muslims engage in or support this?

I can think of at least...19.

[lwdc]

Either this story is a lot of ********, or assassins of the Muslim extremist persuasion now broadcast their homicidal plans on Facebook.

I am inclined to believe it is the former. But then again, as the middle-aged man who invited the teenaged cheerleader to stay at his house in the sunshine state of Florida pointed out, “Islam is evil.”

Well, that explains everything. :rolleyes:

[Dual867PowerMac]

We're waiting for the entire peaceful religion to condemn this non-peaceful act.
It'll never happen.

[lwdc]

We're waiting for the entire peaceful religion to condemn this non-peaceful act.Exactly what act?

[Dual867PowerMac]

And how many Muslims engage in or support this?
There are many who don't.

But if you're a "good" Muslim, you either have to believe the Qur'an in its entirely or be in violation of it and therefore worthy of death. Apostasy is one of the most heinous crimes in Islam.

[lwdc]

It'll never happen.You're probably right, since the alleged violence in this case probably never happened.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Exactly what act?
Child abuse, for one.

[lwdc]

Child abuse, for one.No.

That's what the cheerleader said when her parents learned she left Ohio to go live at the beach in Florida with the "Christian" pastor.

I've got this bridge in Brooklyn...

you wanna buy it?

[smyrna]

Exactly what act?

*edit* intention

[Clintville]

We're waiting for the entire peaceful religion to condemn this non-peaceful act.
Why does an entire religion need to condemn acts committed by groups or individuals they have no affiliation with?

[lwdc]

Okay, okay. Maybe Muslim dad said daughter couldn't go to Aruba with her friends for senior week. That can be absolutely devastating when you're a seventeen year-old cheerleader. Any seventeen year old minor knows that that is abuse. Totally unfair.

But I've got to hand it to Rifqa Bary. She was resourceful and harnessed the power of Facebook to do it her way. Dad didn't stand a chance.

[lwdc]

Why does an entire religion need to condemn acts committed by groups or individuals they have no affiliation with?Because they're Muslim.

[lwdc]

*edit* intentionOh that's right. Every member of a religious group needs to excoriate the one member for what the one allegedly *intends* to do, especially if that group is Muslim and the accuser is a seventeen year old cheerleader from Ohio who relocates to balmier climate in Florida. And when you post your *intent* on Facebook, there's no excuse!

Thanks for bringing me back to my senses.

[sisyphus]

If there were no muslim reference in this story, it would be a page 2 paragraph about a teenager that hooked up with some old perv on the internet.

[smyrna]

Oh that's right. Every member of a religious group needs to excoriate the one member for what the one allegedly *intends* to do, especially if that group is Muslim and the accuser is a seventeen year old cheerleader from Ohio who relocates to balmier climate in Florida. And when you post your *intent* on Facebook, there's no excuse!

Thanks for bringing me back to my senses.

This is the United States of America. The individuals in question were not born here. They chose to come here. This nation was established on freedom. Freedom is not the basis of a predominantly Muslim country. Showing intolerance to their fellow Muslims for praciticing customs from their old homeland that break the laws of their new home, the USA, is what I am addressing. Whether this story is true, is not.

[lwdc]

This is the United States of America. The individuals in question were not born here. They chose to come here. The Muslim, Jewish and Christian religion have been at odds with each other for at least 2000 years. This was/is a predominantly Christian nation that was established based on freedom. Freedom is not the basis of a predominantly Muslim country. Showing intolerance to their fellow Muslims for praciticing customs from their old homeland that break the laws of their new home, the USA, is what I am addressing. Whether this story is true, is not.In the USA, one is not condemned by the community at large for one's *alleged* *intent* "substantiated" by nothing more than *hearsay*, let alone *internet* hearsay.

In fact, I doubt that such is the standard for condemnation of individuals in predominantly Muslim communities.

[smyrna]

In the USA, one is not condemned by the community at large for one's *alleged* *intent* "substantiated" by nothing more than *hearsay*, let alone *internet* hearsay.

In fact, I doubt that such is the standard for condemnation of individuals in predominantly Muslim communities.

Not condemnation but an expectation. These are the things that were practiced in their homeland. This country provides a new opportunity. The perpetrator is from their religious group doing a practice that supposedly the Muslim religion denounces in the Q'uran. There have been examples of this practice of murder already in the US. This gives some credence to the "internet evidence". It isn't evidence to condemn but a chance to vocally denounce this barbaric practice. Stand up and declare your feelings towards this...IF it is truly how you feel. The internal question for me is, do they actually feel this way? Is the religion of peace just words? We welcome the people into the US but not the act of "honor killings". This practice must be denounced internally to have the effect of change with in the Muslim circle here. To do nothing is giving silent approval. IMHO

[gdoane]

Why does an entire religion need to condemn acts committed by groups or individuals they have no affiliation with?

Because their reputation is in the crapper?

I mean seriously, "Achmed The Dead Terrorist" is like the comedy act of the year. "I KILL YOU!"

"Religion of peace" is a tongue in cheek joke.

We asked Afghanistan nicely for Osama Bin Laden. They said "He's innocent guy, we no give him to you!"

The Taliban could have stopped two wars by just handing over one scumbag of a man but they didn't because he was a Muslim and they were Muslim and only Muslims can deliver justice to other Muslims through Sharia Law.

I have nothing but respect for religion. Protecting the innocent is a noble cause.

Protecting the guilty, however, is despicable.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Mysty, you have obviously never been involved with these Islamic whackos. Several years ago when a local school system reported abuse involving three children of some Muslim family, the local imam went haywire. He was screaming discrimination, Islamophobia, and the usual rants of these lunatics, even demanding that CAIR-NY get involved. All of a sudden he shut-up, and a week later was arrested for money laundering and conspiracy to support terrorism. However, the local school districts got the message, and I know of two teachers who were told to ignore obvious abuse involving Muslim children unless the situation appeared to be "life-threatening." The multicuturalist crowd will encourage any behavior provided it is anti-American.

First...never assume anything about anyone. You may just learn something valuable in the process. ;) My 'pedigree' in this area is most current with individuals and families from several middle eastern families, couples and women. I've met the good people of those areas as well as experienced first hand the bad and ugly.

Second..an Imam going out of his mind squirrel nuts crazy is a much different scenario then a supposed/possibly intended honor killing of a family member; as in the OP story. A school district bending to such tirades should by all means be cleaned up, and spit out on the streets those who would cave to such raving lunatics...doing what is right by all their students..not just a group of students. That's their job. I'd love to know which school district and which incident your referring too however...so I may read the facts and judge for myself.

Lastly..and this is a big one...not all Muslims are terrorist..not all Muslims are out for infidel blood...not all Muslims are the lunatic fringe we have all become too acquainted with vis a vie news storys. There is the lunatic fringe in all religions, cultures and population...why would Islam be any different?

Now am I supporter or believer of that specific religion? No..not by a long shot. Do I believe the girl in the OP used a tactic and fear mongering in order to gain a free trip to Florida? Oh..you bet she did. No Imam from this family's community mosque is squealing and going squirrel nuts are there? No CAIR involvement....hmmmm...must be a teen girl doing what teen girls do...drama out. Guess that standard the world over....:whistle:

~Mysty

[PelosiisaLOSER]

Listen....
right now i ODUMBO does ANYTHING that givesthis Girl back to her
parents....
J'ACCUSE YOU ODUMBO OF OPENLY PARTICIPATING IN AN HONOR KILLING....IF YOU DO NOT PROTECT THIS GIRL I ACCUSE YOU OF BEING A MUSLIM......

[neoINDIE]

Something to keep in mind, how would you feel if some religious wackos solicited your kid over the internet and convinced them to run away, regardless of the religion.

[neoINDIE]

...also, there are probably more "Christian wackos" in this country than there are "Muslim wackos."

Pictures painted with a broad brush often lack detail.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Something to keep in mind, how would you feel if some religious wackos solicited your kid over the internet and convinced them to run away, regardless of the religion.
Rifqa sets the story straight (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/AtlasShrugs/2009/09/10/The-Interview).

[Old_Mil]

Unfortunately, there have been dozens of honor killings of Muslim women in America and thus far law enforcement and the court system has been unwilling to protect them.

To put things in perspective, if 17 year old Rifqa Bary had become pregnant because of her interactions with peers at school and crossed a state line in order to obtain an abortion that her Muslim parents didn't want her to have there is almost no chance whatsoever that she would be going back home with a baby in her belly...and the same people here who have found themselves newfound champions of parental rights would amazingly fall silent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494785,00.html

[Clintville]

Because their reputation is in the crapper?

No, their extremist's reputation is in the crapper. They shouldn't all apologize or whatever (how an entire religion of individuals can even make a uniform statement is beyond me) just because you cannot tell the difference between them and the extremists.

[AeroEngineer]

IMO, what the pastor and his wife did is equivocal to kidnapping.

[lwdc]

IMO, what the pastor and his wife did is equivocal to kidnapping.Equivalent, even...

[lwdc]

Rifqa sets the story straight (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/AtlasShrugs/2009/09/10/The-Interview).Rather, Pam Geller sets the story's spin.

I spent time browsing the site and saw/heard nothing from Rifqa, only from her dorky Facebook friends and the wannabe journalist who's enabling the "fifteen minutes" they so crave.

[Dragon1963]

Unfortunately, there have been dozens of honor killings of Muslim women in America and thus far law enforcement and the court system has been unwilling to protect them.

To put things in perspective, if 17 year old Rifqa Bary had become pregnant because of her interactions with peers at school and crossed a state line in order to obtain an abortion that her Muslim parents didn't want her to have there is almost no chance whatsoever that she would be going back home with a baby in her belly...and the same people here who have found themselves newfound champions of parental rights would amazingly fall silent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,494785,00.html

Here's a fact that people wanting her sent back to Ohio. She is over the age of consent. Ohio's age of consent is 16; therefore she can freely leave her home in Ohio legally without her parents permission. Also before anything is done with her all the allegations of child abuse should be investigated. Of course, by then she'd probably be 18 so sending her home would be a moot point.

[AeroEngineer]

Equivalent, even...

Damn autocorrect. :(

[Dual867PowerMac]

Rather, Pam Geller sets the story's spin.

I spent time browsing the site and saw/heard nothing from Rifqa, only from her dorky Facebook friends and the wannabe journalist who's enabling the "fifteen minutes" they so crave.
Click on the "listen in your default player" link and select "Jamal Jivanjee, Rigqa (sic) Bary's Pastor and Fellow Apostate."

Rifqa herself is on beginning at the 0:40 mark.

[lwdc]

Click on the "listen in your default player" link and select "Jamal Jivanjee, Rigqa (sic) Bary's Pastor and Fellow Apostate."

Rifqa herself is on beginning at the 0:40 mark.I listened to the audio of Rifqa.

Here are my thoughts.

Had there been an episode of Beverly Hills 90210 in which Shannen Doherty’s character tried to convince Dylan that she wanted to become a nun in a convent and ran away from the Walsh family home to go live in Long Beach with a middle-aged man until Mr. and Mrs. Walsh were okay with her nunnery plans (which they learn about because Mr. Walsh regularly browses Facebook), I would have been more convinced of the actress’s intent than I am of Rifqa’s story.

[Dual867PowerMac]

I listened to the audio of Rifqa.

Here are my thoughts.

Had there been an episode of Beverly Hills 90210 in which Shannen Doherty’s character tried to convince Dylan that she wanted to become a nun in a convent and ran away from the Walsh family home to go live in Long Beach with a middle-aged man until Mr. and Mrs. Walsh were okay with her nunnery plans (which they learn about because Mr. Walsh regularly browses Facebook), I would have been more convinced of the actress’s intent than I am of Rifqa’s story.
Read Rifqa's affidavit (http://favoritemacapps.webs.com/affidavit.pdf)

This is a legal document from the Ninth Circuit Court.

Numbers 19, 20, and 21 are particularly chilling.

What more do you need? Even CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/04/florida.muslim.convert/index.html?iref=newssearch) is covering it.


They [parents Mohamed and Aysha Bary] denied they ever threatened to kill their daughter because she converted to Christianity... "We wouldn't do her harm," the father said.

Really?


"I WILL KILL YOU! TELL ME THE TRUTH!

There it is in plain, unambiguous language.

[lwdc]

Even CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/04/florida.muslim.convert/index.html?iref=newssearch) is covering it.




Really?




There it is in plain, unambiguous language.You know, you really shouldn't "quote" things on these boards that people never said. It's very bad form, Mac. :naughty:

The quote that you attribute to Mohamed Bary is actually CNN quoting what Rifqa said her father said. It's an allegation, and a false one, imo.

I'm still selling that bridge in Brooklyn, if you're still interested.

[Dual867PowerMac]

You know, you really shouldn't "quote" things on these boards that people never said. It's very bad form, Mac. :naughty:

The quote that you attribute to Mohamed Bary is actually CNN quoting what Rifqa said her father said. It's an allegation, and a false one, imo.
To hell with good form!

I'll accept your public apology when these allegations are proven factual.

[lwdc]

To hell with good form!

I'll accept your public apology when these allegations are proven factual.I will owe you no public apology since what you have done is to represent hearsay as fact, regardless of the future outcome.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Incidentally, I fired off an email to Florida governor Charlie Crist urging him to help Rifqa. Here is the verbatim reply from his office:

Thank you for contacting Governor Charlie Crist and sharing your
concerns about Ms. Fathima (Rifqa) Bary. The Governor asked that I
respond on his behalf.

Governor Crist is committed to protecting Ms. Bary's health, safety and
welfare. Governor Crist directed the Secretary of the Department of
Children and Families, George Sheldon, to petition the court for
placement in shelter and custody under the Florida Department of
Children and Family Services (Department). As a result, the court
placed Ms. Bary in protective custody and she is now in a licensed
foster care home under the supervision of the Department.

The Secretary of the Department of Children and Family Services and the
Governor's General Counsel represented the Governor at a court hearing
on August 21 to determine Rifqa's status. The judge left Rifqa in her
Florida foster home until the next hearing in September. Following the
judge's ruling, Governor Crist issued the following statement:

"I am grateful to Circuit Judge Daniel Dawson for his decision to grant
Fathima Rifqa Bary the right to remain in Florida. The first and only
priority of my administration in this case, is the safety and wellbeing
of this child. I am grateful for the good work of Department of
Children and Families Secretary George Sheldon and my General Counsel,
Rob Wheeler, for personally advocating the administration's position by
attending today's hearing. We will continue to fight to protect Rifqa's
safety and wellbeing as we move forward."

On September 3, Judge Dawson ordered Ms. Bary and her parents to enter
into mediation in the hope of resolving the dispute. If the family is
unable to agree through mediation, another hearing has been scheduled
for September 29.

Thank you again for taking the time to contact Governor Crist.

Sincerely,

Warren Davis
Office of Citizen Services

[lwdc]

As a matter of fact, Mac, realistically it is you who would owe Mr. Bary an apology for libel for what you have falsely represented as his words on these public boards if the allegations are false.

[lwdc]

Incidentally, I fired off an email to Florida governor Charlie Crist urging him to help Rifqa. Here is the verbatim reply from his office:I can see from the letter that Rifqa gets to stay near the coast in the sunshine state of Florida, instead of the land-locked heartland state of Ohio.

It's amazing what kids can ultimately accomplish these days by harnessing the power of Facebook.

[Dual867PowerMac]

As a matter of fact, Mac, realistically it is you who would owe Mr. Bary an apology for libel for what you have falsely represented as his words on these public boards if the allegations are false.
I agree. But I believe this story to be genuine. She's being represented by the Alliance Defense Fund and a judge has ordered her into protective custody.

Have you watched any of the videos of her? She's absolutely terrified of being sent back to her father.

[Dual867PowerMac]

I can see from the letter that Rifqa gets to stay near the coast in the sunshine state of Florida, instead of the land-locked heartland state of Ohio.

It's amazing what kids can ultimately accomplish these days by harnessing the power of Facebook.
:rolleyes:

[lwdc]

I agree. But I believe this story to be genuine. She's being represented by the Alliance Defense Fund and a judge has ordered her into protective custody.

Have you watched any of the videos of her? She's absolutely terrified of being sent back to her father.Yes. I have seen Shannen Doherty equally terrified, if not more, on certain episodes of Beverly Hills 90210.

Moreover, if I were a seventeen year old living near the coast in Florida, I too would definitely protest having to go back to Ohio. Unfortunately for me, my drama skills aren't quite as developed as they are in certain talented persons in the current generation of youths.

[Dual867PowerMac]

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Satisfied?

[lwdc]

<snip>Not a particularly conciliatory thing to ask...

[gdoane]

I agree. But I believe this story to be genuine. She's being represented by the Alliance Defense Fund and a judge has ordered her into protective custody.

Have you watched any of the videos of her? She's absolutely terrified of being sent back to her father.

Heck, I'm 45 years old and I'd be terrified of what my father would do to me if I went around calling him a homicidal maniac. I'd say she's pretty much burnt her bridges there. That's the kind of thing where you get kicked right out of the will.

Regardless of the veracity of the girl's claim, the answer either way remains the same and she should stay out of Ohio. The odds of a happy family reunion are pretty close to zero point nothing.

The best solution would be to declare her an emancipated minor, terminating all parental obligations and responsibilities and just get done with the drama.

[Andrew_980]

You work for CAIR don't you?

Because only a cair terrorist could ever defend a muslim man:rolleyes:

[Clintville]

Here's a fact that people wanting her sent back to Ohio. She is over the age of consent. Ohio's age of consent is 16; therefore she can freely leave her home in Ohio legally without her parents permission. Also before anything is done with her all the allegations of child abuse should be investigated. Of course, by then she'd probably be 18 so sending her home would be a moot point.
The age of consent and the age of emancipation are two different things.

[AeroEngineer]

You work for CAIR don't you?

You're a real class act.

[Dual867PowerMac]

No, I don't. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and conclude that it was not your intent to sink your thread to new lows with such desperate and unhelpful remarks as that.

I will gladly delete this post if you delete yours. For the sake of the quality of your thread, I recommend you do it.
Oh, good grief... It wasn't meant seriously.

I'll remove it for the sake of amity.

But I would urge you to research the issue of Muslim apostasy and you'll see that the threats against Rifqa Bary are very, very typical of those made against Muslims who convert to other faiths.

[Dual867PowerMac]

You're a real class act.
I'd like to think so. It's why I edited my comment.

[Dual867PowerMac]

The best solution would be to declare her an emancipated minor, terminating all parental obligations and responsibilities and just get done with the drama.
Finally, you make a good point. But it still doesn't solve the remaining problem.

[Dragon1963]

The age of consent and the age of emancipation are two different things.

So how long before she's 18? A court can emancipate her as well.

[Dual867PowerMac]

So how long before she's 18? A court can emancipate her as well.
It still doesn't resolve the remaining issue.

[gdoane]

Finally, you make a good point. But it still doesn't solve the remaining problem.

The remaining problem can't be solved if you're referring to the Salman Rushdie effect. Salman Rushdie was sentenced to death for insulting Islam by Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran for writing "The Satanic Verses". That was in 1989, some 20 years ago. The empty threat was never carried out in 20 years and likely never will be.

If she were really concerned then she ought to be ditching the facebook page.

A lot of people put too much information on them as it is. I read an article about thieves using facebook to look for messages saying when people are going to be out of town to find good targets for burglary. After all, if they've got a computer they've probably got some other nice stuff and if they're posting that they'll be out of town for a week or so the burglar has no worries about getting caught.

It seems to me that if people are threatening me with death that I wouldn't be posting a whole lot of details about who I am, where I'm living and with whom on facebook or any other website where bad guys can go looking for info on me.

I'd suggest that she takes down that web page, stop posting her real name anywhere and maybe consider changing her name to something less conspicuous. After all, if somebody wants to kill you, you wouldn't want to make it easier for 'em.

[lwdc]

But I would urge you to research the issue of Muslim apostasy and you'll see that the threats against Rifqa Bary are very, very typical of those made against Muslims who convert to other faiths.Even if "very, very typical", it isn't evidence of a cheerleader's family's plot to commit homicide in any Muslim country, let alone Ohio. If charges are brought against Dad because of the hearsay of an upset seventeen year-old's Facebook page, it would be a travesty, and then the cheerleader's Dad will really regret having moved from Sri Lanka to Ohio (which still doesn't make any sense to me if he's the fundamentalist Muslim his daughter describes).

But the cheerleader and her Facebook friends got the "fifteen minutes" they've craved ever since the American Idol audition didn't work out, and she got to live in sunny Florida (instead of Ohio) to boot. Good thing that Dad decided to move away from Sri Lanka, except for the part where his own daughter is screaming that he's a homicidal maniac to the entire "civilized" world. She's setting a real example for "Christians" to follow by demonizing her own family that brought her here from Sri Lanka and she has done wonders to demonize Muslims at large, as demonstrated by the hysterical response to the "news" that she generated.

I hope she's happy in Florida and I hope her parents can live in peace and quiet in Ohio.

[Dual867PowerMac]

The remaining problem can't be solved if you're referring to the Salman Rushdie effect. Salman Rushdie was sentenced to death for insulting Islam by Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran for writing "The Satanic Verses". That was in 1989, some 20 years ago. The empty threat was never carried out in 20 years and likely never will be.

If she were really concerned then she ought to be ditching the facebook page.

A lot of people put too much information on them as it is. I read an article about thieves using facebook to look for messages saying when people are going to be out of town to find good targets for burglary. After all, if they've got a computer they've probably got some other nice stuff and if they're posting that they'll be out of town for a week or so the burglar has no worries about getting caught.

It seems to me that if people are threatening me with death that I wouldn't be posting a whole lot of details about who I am, where I'm living and with whom on facebook or any other website where bad guys can go looking for info on me.

I'd suggest that she takes down that web page, stop posting her real name anywhere and maybe consider changing her name to something less conspicuous. After all, if somebody wants to kill you, you wouldn't want to make it easier for 'em.
Nope. That's not it.

The remaining problem is that even if Rifqa is emancipated her life is still in danger — possibly from radical Muslims like her father who want to enforce sharia.

[gdoane]

Nope. That's not it.

The remaining problem is that even if Rifqa is emancipated her life is still in danger — possibly from radical Muslims like her father who want to enforce sharia.

Her father doesn't act very much like a radical Muslim.

Letting his girl go to school isn't like a radical Muslim.
Letting his kid play around on the internet is definitely not like a radical Muslim.
Moving to the USA is not something radical Muslims do very often either.

He's from Sri Lanka, which isn't even a majorly Muslim nation. Sri Lanka is 69% Buddhist. Only 8% of the population in Sri Lanka are Muslims.

There's no way her Old Man lived under Sharia Law in the old country so how and why would he want to live under it in the USA?

Heck, if little Missy would just keep her trap shut nobody would even think she converted from Islam being from Sri Lanka. I'd have expected her to be a Buddhist.

[mobiusptc]

Her father doesn't act very much like a radical Muslim.

Letting his girl go to school isn't like a radical Muslim.
Letting his kid play around on the internet is definitely not like a radical Muslim.
Moving to the USA is not something radical Muslims do very often either.

He's from Sri Lanka, which isn't even a majorly Muslim nation. Sri Lanka is 69% Buddhist. Only 8% of the population in Sri Lanka are Muslims.

There's no way her Old Man lived under Sharia Law in the old country so how and why would he want to live under it in the USA?

Heck, if little Missy would just keep her trap shut nobody would even think she converted from Islam being from Sri Lanka. I'd have expected her to be a Buddhist.

i saw on cnn that he allowed her to try out and become a cheerleader and thus wear the very short skirt that comes with uniform. that does not scream radical islam to me personaly.

[gdoane]

i saw on cnn that he allowed her to try out and become a cheerleader and thus wear the very short skirt that comes with uniform. that does not scream radical islam to me personaly.

Radicals wouldn't even be letting her dance to music. The Taliban smashed all of the TV and Music stores after they declared it to be a "vice". and thus an offense against Islam for taking attention away from the faith.

The Taliban would flat out stone a cheerleader to death. Listening to music and dancing and showing some ankle? That's a total Taliban meltdown.

Then there's her Dad allowing his daughter to show her face on the internet. That's not much like a radical Muslim either. That would be another total Taliban meltdown.

Pops doesn't seem to really even be a practicing Muslim, much less a radical one.

[angelicmadrigal]

McCarthy said Rifqa's account of how she traveled to Florida has "holes in it," but declined to elaborate. He also declined to respond to allegations that Bary's father abused the girl when he learned of her conversion to Christianity.



I have a feeling that said pastor and his wife have been doing a little brainwashing.

[Dragon1963]

It still doesn't resolve the remaining issue.

No, but it renders sending her back to Ohio moot.

[Dragon1963]

Radicals wouldn't even be letting her dance to music. The Taliban smashed all of the TV and Music stores after they declared it to be a "vice". and thus an offense against Islam for taking attention away from the faith.

The Taliban would flat out stone a cheerleader to death. Listening to music and dancing and showing some ankle? That's a total Taliban meltdown.

Then there's her Dad allowing his daughter to show her face on the internet. That's not much like a radical Muslim either. That would be another total Taliban meltdown.

Pops doesn't seem to really even be a practicing Muslim, much less a radical one.

I'm a non practicing Catholic, but I still live by most of its beliefs.
Also honor killings aren't limited to just Islam. We just hear about Islamic honor killings more often these day.

[lwdc]

We just hear about Islamic honor killings more often these day.Especially when they're not even happening, as in Rifqa's case.

In her case, they are nothing more (until demonstrated otherwise) than a jumbled mass of allegations made by a seventeen year old minor to rationalize her flight from the heartland state of Ohio to the gulf coast in Florida to stay with a married, middle-aged "pastor" who aided and abetted her in her flight and who evidently spends a lot of time making friends with cheerleaders young enough to be his own daughter on Facebook.

Seriously, as a father myself, I really don't think that Rifqa's decision to be a Christian is what is causing her Dad so much heartburn right now. He's probably kicking himself for ever deciding to leave Sri Lanka to give his family a "better life" in the USA.

[sisyphus]

Again I must interject...

If there were no muslim reference in this story, it would be a page 2 paragraph about a teenager that hooked up with some old perv on the internet.

there are some glaring inconsistencies in the whole story.:rolleyes::)

[Dragon1963]

Especially when they're not even happening, as in Rifqa's case.

In her case, they are nothing more (until demonstrated otherwise) than a jumbled mass of allegations made by a seventeen year old minor to rationalize her flight from the heartland state of Ohio to the gulf coast in Florida to stay with a married, middle-aged "pastor" who aided and abetted her in her flight and who evidently spends a lot of time making friends with cheerleaders young enough to be his own daughter on Facebook.

Seriously, as a father myself, I really don't think that Rifqa's decision to be a Christian is what is causing her Dad so much heartburn right now. He's probably kicking himself for ever deciding to leave Sri Lanka to give his family a "better life" in the USA.

Sounds like your jumping the gun and insinuating the "pastor" is a pedophile without proof of him being one.
I never said that I believed her story.
That no honor killing has happened in Rifqa's case doesn't prove or disprove that her father or other family members want to kill her. Nor does it prove that she and those she's with currently are lying. What matters is that a judge has said that she is to stay in Florida until the whole situation has been looked into.
As I've said before once she turns 18 the point is moot as to what she can or can't do.

[lwdc]

Sounds like your jumping the gun and insinuating the "pastor" is a pedophile without proof of him being one. No.

It sounds like the pastor is a married, middle-aged man who aided and abetted Rifqa in her flight and who evidently spends a lot of time making friends with cheerleaders young enough to be his own daughter on Facebook, for example, Rifqa.

Nothing I've said is untrue, or even a stretch. The only insinuations in my statement are the insinuations that people choose to draw from my statement.
I never said that I believed her story.
That no honor killing has happened in Rifqa's case doesn't prove or disprove that her father or other family members want to kill her. Nor does it prove that she and those she's with currently are lying. What matters is that a judge has said that she is to stay in Florida until the whole situation has been looked into.
As I've said before once she turns 18 the point is moot as to what she can or can't do.Agreed.

I like to think we live in a country where in criminal law the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

[Dragon1963]

No.

It sounds like the pastor is a married, middle-aged man who aided and abetted Rifqa in her flight and who evidently spends a lot of time making friends with cheerleaders young enough to be his own daughter on Facebook, for example, Rifqa.

Nothing I've said is untrue, or even a stretch. The only insinuations in my statement are the insinuations that people choose to draw from my statement.
Agreed.

I like to think we live in a country where in criminal law the burden of proof is on the prosecution.

From what I see there has been nothing criminal going on.

[lwdc]

from what i see there has been nothing criminal going on.+1