Well, I Think I've Figured Out This Whole Van Jones/School Speech/Healthcare Thing

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm407/therealestbiz/barackbar_08_he_knows_when_its_a_tr.jpg

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Bumpity.

[TheModerateOne]

Interesting thesis Tommy. I don't think they're clever enough to pull it off, unless someone like Van Jones was going to be a known sacrifice.

[Iggy]

I agree. Any conservative who thought they "won" on the school speech thing is not paying attention.

[PredFan]

I agree. Any conservative who thought they "won" on the school speech thing is not paying attention.

We won to a degree. I think he altered his speech because of the uproar. I knew, see the Hannity Board Nostradamus thread, that he would make the speech harmless and some of us would look like crazies, but I still think he wanted the speech to be different than it was.

[55SFSDefender]

Hehe I love the pic.

[Vaard]

We won to a degree. I think he altered his speech because of the uproar. I knew, see the Hannity Board Nostradamus thread, that he would make the speech harmless and some of us would look like crazies, but I still think he wanted the speech to be different than it was.

of course you have no sort of proof to back up your claim.........

[jwil59]

I agree. Any conservative who thought they "won" on the school speech thing is not paying attention.

That's a fact

[Iggy]

We won to a degree. I think he altered his speech because of the uproar. I knew, see the Hannity Board Nostradamus thread, that he would make the speech harmless and some of us would look like crazies, but I still think he wanted the speech to be different than it was.
But now they have something to point to as their proof that all the tea-partiers and town hall protesters are nothing more than a tin-foil hat brigade.

[victwells]

I think it is a HUGE mistake for the president of the United States to attack a US private citizen,it is beneath the presidency and he will ignite just another furor!!! He needs to sell HIS plan and attacking Sarah Palin is not going to accomplish that!the campaign is over.Maybe if he ACTED like a president instead of a street thug things could improve for him

[aep1974]

I don't think Van Jones's resignation is a win. He will operate now more under the radar and out of the scrutiny of the public.

[TheModerateOne]

But now they have something to point to as their proof that all the tea-partiers and town hall protesters are nothing more than a tin-foil hat brigade.

Yes, they will make that claim. Over and over. And they have adoring, quiescent members of the press to pass along the message nonstop. But this rope a dope thing has been on HuffPo and Atlantic Monthly. Not exactly the type of people who are sympathetic to normal Americans making their voices heard. The left WANTS to conflate one with the other.

[betwixt]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm407/therealestbiz/barackbar_08_he_knows_when_its_a_tr.jpg


If you are right, and this does happen even close to what you mention, this thread will be

EPIC!!



About the op...have you heard he is going to talk about Sarah Palin mention her?

[Libstomper]

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k257/outercourse/stache6.jpg

But how could they be jamming us if they don't know... if we're coming?

[goeagles]

I think it is a HUGE mistake for the president of the United States to attack a US private citizen,it is beneath the presidency and he will ignite just another furor!!! He needs to sell HIS plan and attacking Sarah Palin is not going to accomplish that!the campaign is over.Maybe if he ACTED like a president instead of a street thug things could improve for him
Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

[Gospel Checker]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm407/therealestbiz/barackbar_08_he_knows_when_its_a_tr.jpg

There's no way we can repel Socialism of that magnitude!!

[Libstomper]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

Will healthcare be rationed on a cost/savings basis under the Obama plan?

[Backwoods]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.
Only if you are a conservative.

[Libstomper]

There's no way we can repel Socialism of that magnitude!!

Rahm will have that shield down. We've got to give him more time!

[tinydancer]

Only a fool would think we've won anything but a few skirmishes at the moment. Van Jones was sweet, but just the beginning.

As far as Obama going for Sarah Palin, Politico has already confirmed the talking points for that.

He's going to now attempt to make Palin the face of the Republican party. What else is new? Same play, different target.

So how did that work with Rush?

[victwells]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.
you are entitled to your opinion however wrong that is. I´m not going to argue the point because i want him to attack her. I think it is a serious mistake and the sooner EVERY AMERICAN KNOWS obama is a scumbag the faster his ratings will fall and he´ll shut up!! I dont think he is going to sell ANYTHING by attacking her but i want him to so good luck with it!!!

[TheModerateOne]

Only a fool would think we've won anything but a few skirmishes at the moment. Van Jones was sweet, but just the beginning.

As far as Obama going for Sarah Palin, Politico has already confirmed the talking points for that.

He's going to now attempt to make Palin the face of the Republican party. What else is new? Same play, different target.

So how did that work with Rush?

It's predictable. Deflect and talk about some conservative that makes a hard core liberal soil their diapers instead of talking about how poorly they're running things.

[animalnut]

Tommy - you think he'll mention Palin? I'm sure he'll mention what nonsense it is that people think there are death panels (although a committee not elected will ultimately be involved in this), but I'll be surprised if he mentions Palin by name. I do think based on Obama's statements they will encourage people to take a pill rather than extend their lives by other means.

I know a lot of people think the idea that there will be rationing is nothing but fear mongering. I totally disagree. My friend from England, who lost both parents in the last 8 years insists they do ration, and that old people get the short end of the stick. Her parents were at the mercy of their system and both suffered terribly. She had to fly back and forth from Florida to England to try to get her mother in to see specialists. (Her mother had a disease similar to Lou Gehrig's Disease). She had to wait 6 months for an appointment.

Once she saw the specialist, who made the diagnosis, he promised her he would stay on top of her mother's case. She flew back to Fla. That doctor never saw her mother again, and my friend flew back because her mother was just drugged and left alone. She had fallen over the side of her wheelchair, and was helpless when she got there. Her mother could think, but could not communicate, so was in agony.

I know that's just one story, but there have been some articles about the general condition of their system now that support the idea we're in for a rude awakening if the government "option" passes.

Daniel Hannan said their system works fine for young people, but is horrible for old people.

Then there is the cost factor. How do you add millions upon millions to expand it to all Americans, and not end up with long waits and rationing?

I think for women it's frightening. England won't approve PAP tests until a woman is 25. If women are diagnosed with a later stage breast cancer, she is not eligible for a drug that works well because it is very expensive.

I know they need some kind of reform. I would much rather seen them think everything through and scrutinize every measure in the bill, and do it later, but do it right.

Obama will have some people with horror stories to showcase tonight. A little bit of emotional blackmail.

[tinydancer]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

Link to Palin polling data please to back up your claim?

Her "death panel" comments has Obama begging tonight. Why is he trying to sell this to Congress again?

And you bet speech has consequences.....where did you say Van Jones was working today?:dance:

[tinydancer]

Tommy - you think he'll mention Palin? I'm sure he'll mention what nonsense it is that people think there are death panels (although a committee not elected will ultimately be involved in this), but I'll be surprised if he mentions Palin by name. I do think based on Obama's statements they will encourage people to take a pill rather than extend their lives by other means.

I know a lot of people think the idea that there will be rationing is nothing but fear mongering. I totally disagree. My friend from England, who lost both parents in the last 8 years insists they do ration, and that old people get the short end of the stick. Her parents were at the mercy of their system and both suffered terribly. She had to fly back and forth from Florida to England to try to get her mother in to see specialists. (Her mother had a disease similar to Lou Gehrig's Disease). She had to wait 6 months for an appointment.

Once she saw the specialist, who made the diagnosis, he promised her he would stay on top of her mother's case. She flew back to Fla. That doctor never saw her mother again, and my friend flew back because her mother was just drugged and left alone. She had fallen over the side of her wheelchair, and was helpless when she got there. Her mother could think, but could not communicate, so was in agony.

I know that's just one story, but there have been some articles about the general condition of their system now that support the idea we're in for a rude awakening if the government "option" passes.

Daniel Hannan said their system works fine for young people, but is horrible for old people.

Then there is the cost factor. How do you add millions upon millions to expand it to all Americans, and not end up with long waits and rationing?

I think for women it's frightening. England won't approve PAP tests until a woman is 25. If women are diagnosed with a later stage breast cancer, she is not eligible for a drug that works well because it is very expensive.

I know they need some kind of reform. I would much rather seen them think everything through and scrutinize every measure in the bill, and do it later, but do it right.

Obama will have some people with horror stories to showcase tonight. A little bit of emotional blackmail.

Here's the link to the Palin talking points issued by the White House. I love it. Palin's just getting under their very thin skin.

White House talking points blast Palin

A source sends on the talking points the White House is circulating to allies in advance of President Obama's speech, most of them reiterating familiar themes of momentum and security.

But the White House has also chosen specifically to focus on former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, and evidently to make her the face of the opposition, or to respond to her ability to project herself into the debate. She is the only Republican named in the talking points.

Here's that section:

On Gov. Palin's Attacks

Every non-partisan organization that has looked at her claims say they are false. And the ideas in her op-ed are both scary and risky. Eliminating Medicare and giving our seniors vouchers instead is a bad idea that we shouldn't adopt.

The full talking points are after the jump.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/White_House_talking_points_blast_Palin.html

[goeagles]

you are entitled to your opinion however wrong that is. I´m not going to argue the point because i want him to attack her. I think it is a serious mistake and the sooner EVERY AMERICAN KNOWS obama is a scumbag the faster his ratings will fall and he´ll shut up!!

Only a few hardcore fringe types on the right think of the President in that way.
Or ever will.

[PredFan]

But now they have something to point to as their proof that all the tea-partiers and town hall protesters are nothing more than a tin-foil hat brigade.

True, but I don't think anyone will buy it except the sheeple on the left, and they already believed it.

[PredFan]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

Meh, it won't sell with anyone who doesn't already believe it. nobody will be watching the speech tonight anyway.

[PredFan]

Lol, Obama is suffering from PDS.

[aep1974]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

He is not campaigning anymore. It is not up to him, as POTUS, to attack someone who disagrees with him. Last I checked, people were still allowed to publicly disagree with the government.

[chip]

This administration isnt smart enough for a rope a dope.

They have proven that time after time after time. They couldnt plan free hookers on a battleship.

[victwells]

Only a few hardcore fringe types on the right think of the President in that way.
Or ever will.
yeah keep that up, the American people have listened to dems insults for the last month at the town halls!! Yeah it worked so well there keep it up!!! Everybody that doesn´t like obama or his crap is either a racist or a kook!!!But dont look now but check rasmussen, i know it is a walk into that scary place called ´´reality´´ you´ll find some numbers there that wont make you happy .

[Electromyographical Alien]

Well gee golly....barring his needless campaign, if Obama had a history of being correct and calculating, I might believe the OP.

Yet so far, he's shown little to no precision handling thus far.

I think what it comes down to is pure idiocy and aggressive drive that the country is not comfortable with.

Furthermore, if Obama is indeed conniving all of this, he'll be REALLY disliked when his plans come to fruition and the public hears about all of it.

So please, Obama, continue.

[monkeymom]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

Obama hasn't been able to sell it so far, I doubt invoking Sarah Palin will help his cause at all.

[ksdb]

Obama hasn't been able to sell it so far, I doubt invoking Sarah Palin will help his cause at all.

Maybe he can do a Letterman??

[Electromyographical Alien]

This administration isnt smart enough for a rope a dope.

They have proven that time after time after time. They couldnt plan free hookers on a battleship.

Agreed.

If I can somehow be convinced that the Bush the left said was the biggest idiot in the world yet somehow orchestrated the 9/11 attack without anyone knowing and getting away with it can work, then I'll buy into the OP's idea.

Until then, it's just rookie mistakes, plain and simple.

[Electromyographical Alien]

Actually, this OP idea sounds like a preemptive excuse for failure.

Obama's blowing it. But he went to Harvard and was a community organizer, he must be smart! He must have a plan!!

Face it, he has plans but they are imploding on him.

[monkeymom]

This administration isnt smart enough for a rope a dope.

They have proven that time after time after time. They couldnt plan free hookers on a battleship.

The administration might not seem smart enough, but Obamabots are so brainwashed and blinded by his glory that it doesn't take much so I wouldn't be surprised.

[zantax]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.


Yeah, she's so unpopular with the public...

from http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/story?id=8157536&page=1

ust 40 percent of Americans in this ABC News/Washington Post poll hold a favorable opinion of Palin overall, down from a high of 58 percent shortly after she joined the GOP presidential ticket. More than half, 53 percent, now view her unfavorably. Yikes, her disapproval numbers are four points higher then Obama's.

edit, sorry hadn't checked rasmussen today, make that 3 points higher

[monkeymom]

Maybe he can do a Letterman??

Oh God - please don't give them any ideas, we already see far more of him than we care to.

[ksdb]

Oh God - please don't give them any ideas, we already see far more of him than we care to.

I'm not sure you're following what I said. Letterman said something stupid about Palin and had to apologize. If he brings up Palin in his speech, he might have to follow suit.

[monkeymom]

I've been wondering for a couple of days about the timing of all this. First it was the school speech on Tuesday. Then this big speech the following day. Obama sure is a busy boy this week, but I guess it makes sense since he just got back from vacation and all.

But then there is mention here that he might bring up Sarah Palin tonight. Wow, that's just sad. Why would he stoop to that level? Everyone knows she's undereducated, a quitter, totally wrong about health care reform proposals, etc., etc. Why waste prime time on her (if he does)?

And then I thought about what else is going on this week. Oh yeah, there's a major Tea Party event/march/protest planned in Washington in just a couple of days. Could it be that part of the plan is to say something in the speech tonight that will wind up all over the news stations, radio shows, etc., in the hope that it will further inflame those who are discontented with the White House and proposed health care reform - specifically those who will be part of a very, very large group of marchers/protesters in Washington this weekend?

[zantax]

Glen Beck says after his show tomorrow people won't be talking about health care or Obama's speech anyway, can't wait to see what he's got, if it's half as big as he's suggesting it should be very interesting.

[goeagles]

I've been wondering for a couple of days about the timing of all this. First it was the school speech on Tuesday. Then this big speech the following day. Obama sure is a busy boy this week, but I guess it makes sense since he just got back from vacation and all.

But then there is mention here that he might bring up Sarah Palin tonight. Wow, that's just sad. Why would he stoop to that level? Everyone knows she's undereducated, a quitter, totally wrong about health care reform proposals, etc., etc. Why waste prime time on her (if he does)?

And then I thought about what else is going on this week. Oh yeah, there's a major Tea Party event/march/protest planned in Washington in just a couple of days. Could it be that part of the plan is to say something in the speech tonight that will wind up all over the news stations, radio shows, etc., in the hope that it will further inflame those who are discontented with the White House and proposed health care reform - specifically those who will be part of a very, very large group of marchers/protesters in Washington this weekend?
I'd be surprised if anybody in the White House has given a moments thought to the "major tea party event."
It's kind of a contradiction in terms.

[monkeymom]

I'm not sure you're following what I said. Letterman said something stupid about Palin and had to apologize. If he brings up Palin in his speech, he might have to follow suit.

Oh you are correct, I was not following. Not surprising, my kids often like to tell me how dense I can be sometimes! :lol:

As to Obama saying something he later has to apologize for - doubt that would happen anyway, but maybe he could have another beer summit and just kind of sweep things under the rug.

[goeagles]

Glen Beck says after his show tomorrow people won't be talking about health care or Obama's speech anyway, can't wait to see what he's got, if it's half as big as he's suggesting it should be very interesting.
What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Beck, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his listeners

[ksdb]

Oh you are correct, I was not following. Not surprising, my kids often like to tell me how dense I can be sometimes! :lol:

As to Obama saying something he later has to apologize for - doubt that would happen anyway, but maybe he could have another beer summit and just kind of sweep things under the rug.

Good suggestion. Beer summits are the only real accomplishment he can claim.

[ksdb]

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
You're talking about Obama or Beck??

[zantax]

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Beck, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his listeners

Then he doesn't need to make stuff up to get them to tune in does he?

[victwells]

I've been wondering for a couple of days about the timing of all this. First it was the school speech on Tuesday. Then this big speech the following day. Obama sure is a busy boy this week, but I guess it makes sense since he just got back from vacation and all.

But then there is mention here that he might bring up Sarah Palin tonight. Wow, that's just sad. Why would he stoop to that level? Everyone knows she's undereducated, a quitter, totally wrong about health care reform proposals, etc., etc. Why waste prime time on her (if he does)?

And then I thought about what else is going on this week. Oh yeah, there's a major Tea Party event/march/protest planned in Washington in just a couple of days. Could it be that part of the plan is to say something in the speech tonight that will wind up all over the news stations, radio shows, etc., in the hope that it will further inflame those who are discontented with the White House and proposed health care reform - specifically those who will be part of a very, very large group of marchers/protesters in Washington this weekend?
undereducated ,a quitter speak for yourself!!!!!!!

[monkeymom]

I'd be surprised if anybody in the White House has given a moments thought to the "major tea party event."
It's kind of a contradiction in terms.

Oh I know GE - just a bunch of astroturf, rednecks - no validity. Watch out, your arrogance is showing. There have been some pretty good stories about the upcoming event - I hope it pans out as well as they are anticipating -
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-09-08-march_N.htm

[TinCan]

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Beck, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his listeners

The same could be said for the President, except for the last line.

[goeagles]

Then he doesn't need to make stuff up to get them to tune in does he?
They don't care whether it's made up or not, as long as Glenn says it.
And he knows that.:)

[chip]

You're talking about Obama or Beck??

LOL

Yeah I was going to point out the irony there but I thought it was better to just let it hang there.

[zantax]

I'd be surprised if anybody in the White House has given a moments thought to the "major tea party event."
It's kind of a contradiction in terms.

Yeah, they can safely ignore those people, that is if they aren't curious as to why they don't have enough votes to pass health care reform.

[zantax]

They don't care whether it's made up or not, as long as Glenn says it.
And he knows that.:)


Missed the point I see, if they are adoring cult members then they'll tune in without his having to promise something really big. So he would be a fool to promise something he can't deliver as it has no upside. But no need to argue, surely we can wait a day and see what he's got.

[goeagles]

Oh I know GE - just a bunch of astroturf, rednecks - no validity. Watch out, your arrogance is showing. There have been some pretty good stories about the upcoming event - I hope it pans out as well as they are anticipating -
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-09-08-march_N.htm
Regardless of what happens, they'll declare it a huge success.:)

[monkeymom]

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Beck, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his listeners

You know what GE, I really used to respect your opinions and enjoy reading your posts because they were thoughtful even if I disagreed with much - but painting Beck's audience with such a broad brush is really offensive, and quite honestly childish.

[PaleoPaul]

The problem is application...we can really do some good in this country, but *some of us* are ignored by SOME people...

[TinCan]

Sarah Palin is not a "private citizen," but a public figure, and a very unpopular one at that.
Her reckless , ignorant nonsense about "death panels" has earned an attack.
And it will sell very well with the public.
Speech has consequences.

If she's so ignorant and insignificant, then why does the left expend so much time, effort, and treasure trying to obliterate her?

Face it, rationing of any kind when it comes to health care is a major concern because of the likelyhood that it will lead to death. Granted, private insurers have the same "panels" but then there are other options. With the government in the mix, it will be a relatively short time before we are on a "single payer" national health care system, more than likely less than a generation.

[monkeymom]

Regardless of what happens, they'll declare it a huge success.:)

And no matter how successful it is you can count on the MSM ignoring it.

And just for kicks, what would be your idea of a "huge success"?

[ExDem]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:



Ah,yeah. OK. Sounds kind of nutty to me. I just think the mutt was caught AGAIN trying to put his radical commie friends in positions of power with no regard for the constitution or the country and he backed down as he always does. Nothing more than that.

[PaleoPaul]

If she's so ignorant and insignificant, then why does the left expend so much time, effort, and treasure trying to obliterate her?

Because even though she's technically a private citizen now, she still speaks out on certain major things, putting herself in the public spotlight.

Kinda like that Sanderson guy...he's the irrelevant pastor of not even 100 people in AZ. You probably wouldn't have heard of him 2 years ago. However, his actions at the border and his recent words against Obama made him somewhat "relevant."

[chip]

Regardless of what happens, they'll declare it a huge success.:)

I agree regardless of what happens tonight when Pericles speaks, the pavlovian media will declare it a success.

[goeagles]

You know what GE, I really used to respect your opinions and enjoy reading your posts because they were thoughtful even if I disagreed with much - but painting Beck's audience with such a broad brush is really offensive, and quite honestly childish.
Just being a good reporter.
Glenn Beck didn't come out of a bell jar.
He has a well-known history, and his audience tends to reflect it.

[TinCan]

Because even though she's technically a private citizen now, she still speaks out on certain major things, putting herself in the public spotlight.

Kinda like that Sanderson guy...he's the irrelevant pastor of not even 100 people in AZ. You probably wouldn't have heard of him 2 years ago. However, his actions at the border and his recent words against Obama made him somewhat "relevant."

What Sanderson guy?

[goeagles]

And no matter how successful it is you can count on the MSM ignoring it.


That is always the fallback excuse, when these things fizzle.
Dat ole debbil "media."

[PaleoPaul]

Just being a good reporter.
Glenn Beck didn't come out of a bell jar.
He has a well-known history, and his audience tends to reflect it.
There's a difference between opinion and fact...high school journalism 101.

[PaleoPaul]

What Sanderson guy?
The one that got in the scuffle with those border agents and who recently prayed an "imprecatory prayer" against Pres. Obama.

[Bluesgtr44]

of course you have no sort of proof to back up your claim.........

Kind of sounds like Obama defending his health care "savings" when the CBO says he and his administration are "way off".................no proof!

[goeagles]

There's a difference between opinion and fact...high school journalism 101.
Right you are.

[ksdb]

There's a difference between opinion and fact...high school journalism 101.

Unfortunately, reporters report a lot more opinion than facts than they used to. Even Obama says so.

[TinCan]

Just being a good reporter.
Glenn Beck didn't come out of a bell jar.
He has a well-known history, and his audience tends to reflect it.

What's his history?

And they are right in that you used an extremely broad brush as I know a lot of folks of differing political affiliations that listen to him and watch his show and no, they do not all agree with the stuff he puts out. But then again, stereotyping tends to be the latest fad these days, dontcha think?

[TinCan]

The one that got in the scuffle with those border agents and who recently prayed an "imprecatory prayer" against Pres. Obama.

I guess I missed that.

[PaleoPaul]

Right you are.
I was speaking to you.

You claim that by default, Glen Beck watchers are people who want to raid town halls with guns, heckle Obama if he even coughs, and say "NO" to big issues like energy, health care, and so forth, with no original ideas of their own.

[TinCan]

That is always the fallback excuse, when these things fizzle.
Dat ole debbil "media."

Well, the MSM seems to be more about shock and entertainment than journalism, hence all of the "talking heads" vs "actual reporters/journalists" commanding prime time, dontcha think?

[PredFan]

Well gee golly....barring his needless campaign, if Obama had a history of being correct and calculating, I might believe the OP.

Yet so far, he's shown little to no precision handling thus far.

I think what it comes down to is pure idiocy and aggressive drive that the country is not comfortable with.

Furthermore, if Obama is indeed conniving all of this, he'll be REALLY disliked when his plans come to fruition and the public hears about all of it.

So please, Obama, continue.

There has never been a more intellectual light weight in the Oval Office than Barack Hussein Obama. I don't believe for a minute he and his gang of incompetants could ever do something as complicated as that.

[goeagles]

I was speaking to you.

I'm well aware of that.
You claim that by default, Glen Beck watchers are people who want to raid town halls with guns, heckle Obama if he even coughs, and say "NO" to big issues like energy, health care, and so forth, with no original ideas of their own.
Those attributes may be shared by many of Beck's listeners, but that's not what I was saying.
I was saying that they have a cultish devotion to him, and tend to be uncritically accepting of his wild theories and hypotheses, the more far out and mocked by the real world the better.
And he knows exactly what they want to hear.

[PredFan]

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Beck, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his listeners

On Obama:

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Obama, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his supporters.

[patriciarnbsn]

Oh God - please don't give them any ideas, we already see far more of him than we care to.

Amen:hug::hug::hug:

[PredFan]

They don't care whether it's made up or not, as long as Glenn says it.
And he knows that.:)

Entirely unlike you, Beck backs up his stories 100%.

[PaleoPaul]

I'm well aware of that.

Those attributes may be shared by many of Beck's listeners, but that's not what I was saying.
I was saying that they have a cultish devotion to him, and tend to be uncritically accepting of his wild theories and hypotheses, the more far out and mocked by the real world the better.
And he knows exactly what they want to hear.
Personally, he's fun to watch when there's something REALLY big happening (and VanJones doesn't count), but other than that, he's not that great.

[goeagles]

Entirely unlike you, Beck backs up his stories 100%.
Of course.
It's all "documented."
By right-wing standards, anyway.:)

[Colorado Mom]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm407/therealestbiz/barackbar_08_he_knows_when_its_a_tr.jpg

You may be right Tommy but what I think we Americans are watching is a game of Power chess. What makes you think that Sarah Palin didn't "time" her Wall Street Journal piece that was released this morning to goad Pres. Obama into publicly attacking her???

So Obama wants to attack her to cause a negative reaction in conservatives so he can counter, she is goading him to attack her because she has something to counter with??

Question is: Whose counter will be the most effective???

Regardless of ideology, for a President to personally attack, whine about or mention someone else who disagrees with him by name in a speech is unpresidentiai. Obama just can't help himself. He attacked Hannity and Sean's ratings went up, he attacked Rush and Rush's ratings are at an all time high, every time his administration mentions Sarah, her following gets bigger and more loyal. His administration goes after Beck (indirectly) and Beck has never been more popular.

Americans do not like a President who beats up on the little guy just for voicing an opinion. Whether everyone wants to admit or not, Sarah is now a private citizen who engages in political speech just like every one of us on this board. She posts to Facebook, Twitter and writes an occasional Op-ed piece. She holds no office, no appointment, no job. Technically, she is a Stay-at-home mom.

I KNOW if he mentions her or alludes to her it will not go over with average Americans. However, I wouldn't put it past Sarah to have a plan to goad him into attacking her. She must have a plan of return.

This is Power Chess and we will see who ends up check-mate and winning the game.

Interesting times..........

[goeagles]

Personally, he's fun to watch when there's something REALLY big happening (and VanJones doesn't count), but other than that, he's not that great.
I've always found him entertaining on the radio.
I haven't seen much of his TV show, except for the outrageous stuff that has made the news.

[patriciarnbsn]

Because even though she's technically a private citizen now, she still speaks out on certain major things, putting herself in the public spotlight.

Kinda like that Sanderson guy...he's the irrelevant pastor of not even 100 people in AZ. You probably wouldn't have heard of him 2 years ago. However, his actions at the border and his recent words against Obama made him somewhat "relevant."

Oh yes Sarah Palin has been a private citizen for what 2-3 months now?? Was a canidate for the Vice President and ran the state of Alaska and at one time as a private citizen ran her own family business. Good comparison.."the Sanders guy". We'd certainly much rather hear from Demi Moore and her Hollywood cronies spouting their Obama pledge. Give me a break

[7426k]

Will healthcare be rationed on a cost/savings basis under the Obama plan?

Do you know of a better method of rationing goods?

[patriciarnbsn]

yeah keep that up, the American people have listened to dems insults for the last month at the town halls!! Yeah it worked so well there keep it up!!! Everybody that doesn´t like obama or his crap is either a racist or a kook!!!But dont look now but check rasmussen, i know it is a walk into that scary place called ´´reality´´ you´ll find some numbers there that wont make you happy .

LOL lol LOL LOL

[monkeymom]

Just being a good reporter.
Glenn Beck didn't come out of a bell jar.
He has a well-known history, and his audience tends to reflect it.

Good reporter my behind. You used to exhibit a modicum of objectivity, but have not for quite some time now. Beck's "well-known history" does not necessarily translate directly to his audience no matter what it is - I am certainly not gullible and know many who watch Beck, consider his views and the information he presents and draw our own conclusions from there. I don't always agree with him, but I have found him to offer compelling information that many are honestly too damn spineless to even consider.

[zantax]

Do you know of a better method of rationing goods?


Yes, the free market.

[zantax]

Good reporter my behind. You used to exhibit a modicum of objectivity, but have not for quite some time now. Beck's "well-known history" does not necessarily translate directly to his audience no matter what it is - I am certainly not gullible and know many who watch Beck, consider his views and the information he presents and draw our own conclusions from there. I don't always agree with him, but I have found him to offer compelling information that many are honestly too damn spineless to even consider.


90% of what he reports has already been discussed here. In short, he's not telling me what to think, how could he be when I have already found the same information he is reporting independently of him?

[monkeymom]

That is always the fallback excuse, when these things fizzle.
Dat ole debbil "media."

It is really sad that you find it necessary to resort to such childish rhetoric.

[patriciarnbsn]

I'm well aware of that.

Those attributes may be shared by many of Beck's listeners, but that's not what I was saying.
I was saying that they have a cultish devotion to him, and tend to be uncritically accepting of his wild theories and hypotheses, the more far out and mocked by the real world the better.
And he knows exactly what they want to hear.

Hmm...Sounds familiar....Al Sharpton...Kieth Overbite (no problem; no ratings)...Louis Farikan..........Barry Obama

[Freep]

I don't think it is any kind of intentional trap..... To Obama, the general public, especially conservatives, are idiots... and he would get away with all the radical czars just like he has with all his other many radical associations up to this point

[7426k]

Yes, the free market.

Well, that's how the free market distributes goods. The whole point of a price is to ration the good based on each person's cost-benefit analysis.

[DaveKlassix]

The only "win" for conservatives if all these czars are forced out. Getting rid of commie scum Van Jones isn't a "victory". Now that he's off to the Center for American Progress, he'll be just as a trouble maker, as in the Hussein admin. Nutjobs like Cass Sunstein, Carol Browner, John Holdren, Mary Lloyd, Harold Koh (yes, i know he's not a czar) etc still exist in this admin.

[goeagles]

Good reporter my behind. You used to exhibit a modicum of objectivity, but have not for quite some time now. Beck's "well-known history" does not necessarily translate directly to his audience no matter what it is - I am certainly not gullible and know many who watch Beck, consider his views and the information he presents and draw our own conclusions from there. I don't always agree with him, but I have found him to offer compelling information that many are honestly too damn spineless to even consider.
I guess that's one explanation for the fact that nobody else ever touches that loopy stuff.:)

[DougBH]

I'm well aware of that.

Those attributes may be shared by many of Beck's listeners, but that's not what I was saying.
I was saying that they have a cultish devotion to him, and tend to be uncritically accepting of his wild theories and hypotheses, the more far out and mocked by the real world the better.
And he knows exactly what they want to hear.

Obama isn't spelled B-e-c-k.
Sheesh

[wndrwmn71]

What he's got is a gullible, adoring audience, who will huddle together breathlessly to hang on his every word.
Got to hand it to Beck, he's a genius at self-promotion.
And he knows his listeners

And the Obamabots and LMSM is any different? I never got tingly feelings in my leg listening to Beck.

[patriciarnbsn]

[QUOTE=DougBH;60665931]Obama isn't spelled B-e-c-k.
Sheesh[/QUO


Great response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:):):)

[patriciarnbsn]

Only if you are a conservative.

You should read the bill. Although it doesn't use the phrase "death panels" it is certainly implied

[zantax]

Well, that's how the free market distributes goods. The whole point of a price is to ration the good based on each person's cost-benefit analysis.

Err, no, that's not the point of a price. Nobody sets their price to limit the availability of their product.

[goeagles]

No.
"Imply" is a word with a very specific meaning.
That meaning is not "This is what I bet they meant," or "Let's make up something real scary, and maybe put some points on the board for our side."

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Holy mackerel, I never thought this thread was going to get any traction.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I agree. Any conservative who thought they "won" on the school speech thing is not paying attention.

Give the man a prize!

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Lol, Obama is suffering from PDS.

Please stop.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

This administration isnt smart enough for a rope a dope.

They have proven that time after time after time. They couldnt plan free hookers on a battleship.

I like to think my enemy is at least as smart as me, which is one of the many reasons I am a winner.

Pride goeth before the fall.

[ksdb]

You should read the bill. Although it doesn't use the phrase "death panels" it is certainly implied

It was more than implied in the part that was taken out. They called them a 'coalition' of 'stakeholders.'

[FidelisAdMortem]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm407/therealestbiz/barackbar_08_he_knows_when_its_a_tr.jpg

Van Jones is a thug and he supports the cop killer of PO Daniel Faulkner.

End of thread.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Van Jones is a thug and he supports the cop killer of PO Daniel Faulkner.

End of thread.

That isn't really the point of the thread.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Whats the point then?

You bring up this black militant thug to prove a point, so I counter it.

You're the last person I would ever think would support such a lowlife.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Whats the point then?

You bring up this black militant thug to prove a point, so I counter it.

You're the last person I would ever think would support such a lowlife.

I thought the timing of his resignation was very strange, as well as the whole school thing and pretending to drop the public option. This is a more of a Political Big Picture thread.

For the record: Mumia obviously killed that cop. Liberals love that guy though, I dunno why.

[FidelisAdMortem]

He killed him in cold blood, execution style and for that one reason is why I can never no matter what be on the same side of liberals. Any side that would so coldly pick the side of a cop killer just makes me so angry, I cant even describe it.

[PredFan]

Please stop.

No.

[Libstomper]

Do you know of a better method of rationing goods?

If I tilt my head to the left and squint, that almost looks like a "yes"...but I'll let you clarify your response before I go making assumptions.

Anyone else is still free to answer:

Will healthcare be rationed on a cost/savings basis under Obama's plan?

[Values]

I was pretty baffled by the resignation of Van Jones last week, as they launched him before the MSM even picked up the story in any meaningful way. I said then there was some kind of counterplay being cooked up here. And then the stuff with the school speech, where they gave into the indoctrination craziness. Not to mention floating a rumor they were going to drop the public option, for the second time at that.

So your friend Tommy said to himself, "Self, why would they give in so easily when they've either ignored or fought to the bitter end on everything else that has been brought?"

And the answer is, he's leading you into a trap.

I consider this place a pretty faithful mirror of what's going in the right-wing blogosphere and talk radio, and there have been high-fives all around over the Van Jones thing especially but the school too. Talk of how they're going to take everyone else out in the administration they don't like, the usual. How Obama is on the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Obama is hoping you go for the jugular when he mentions Sarah Palin tonight and y'all flip out. And then they're gonna strike back. I haven't figured out how exactly, but I have no doubt this is an extended Rope-A-Dope.

Or, to put it more simply, and because I loooove this picture so much:

http://i318.photobucket.com/albums/mm407/therealestbiz/barackbar_08_he_knows_when_its_a_tr.jpg

Must be the smartest community organizer ever!:rolleyes:
Or.......he just steps in it all the time and we push to make him clean up his messes.

[Mohawk5]

When did the President mention Sarah Palin?

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

When did the President mention Sarah Palin?

It turned out to be a ******** Politico "breaking story."

I should have known better. Friends don't let friends read the Politico.

Joe Wilson stepped nicely into the bear trap though.

[XBlacklashX]

Domestic terrorists, radical Muslims and cop killers are perceived as outside the status quo, so Liberals love them.