Why Bill Oreily Did Not Cover Van Jones

[redbone]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.

[goodlife]

That's called CYA. He's probably kicking himself for not covering it.

[jbthe20th]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.

I can't believe I'm going to say this....

Bill O'Reilly is right.

[rckirby]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.

He sticks his wet finger in the air.......

[PeterGriffin]

He sticks his wet finger in the air.......

That's better than what he was trying to stick Andrea Mackris with.

[gbowjr]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.

O'Reilly does not want to tick-off the Obama administration because he wants to be the one and only Fox icon to interview President Obama. He will be an apologist for Obama until it is absolutely clear that Obama won't appear on his show. His position on Van Jones is a farce. How far up in the Obama administraion does O'Reilly need to go before it is important enough for him to cover? O'Reilly is slowly and surely loosing audience support in favor of Glen Beck.

[goodlife]

I can't believe I'm going to say this....

Bill O'Reilly is right.

No..he's not right He simply miscalculated and now is trying to make excuses for that.
I got no issue with it either way...
Van Jones was exposed for the nutjob freak racist idiot that he is and he's gone now.
THAT is IMPORTANT.

[jbthe20th]

No..he's not right He simply miscalculated and now is trying to make excuses for that.
I got no issue with it either way...
Van Jones was exposed for the nutjob freak racist idiot that he is and he's gone now.
THAT is IMPORTANT.

Fine, he's racist. I'll even give you that.... I'll give you that he's a nutjob idiot.

However, he has a history in the green jobs industry. As far as I'm concerned, the rest is out of his scope and jurisdiction.

[redbone]

I can't believe I'm going to say this....

Bill O'Reilly is right.

Several of the democrats are concerned that Van Jones' story may cause big problem for Obama and do not want us to talk about it anymore. Van Jones appears to be big for Obama's future. But, you and Bill may be right.

[redbone]

O'Reilly does not want to tick-off the Obama administration because he wants to be the one and only Fox icon to interview President Obama. He will be an apologist for Obama until it is absolutely clear that Obama won't appear on his show. His position on Van Jones is a farce. How far up in the Obama administraion does O'Reilly need to go before it is important enough for him to cover? O'Reilly is slowly and surely loosing audience support in favor of Glen Beck.

I only look at Bill tonight becasue I heard that Glenn was going to be talking with Bill about Van Jones.

[CaptainPike]

Bill is an OK guy. I think he means well. But kissing ass is what gets people like Obama on his show.

[jbthe20th]

Several of the democrats are concerned that Van Jones' story may cause big problem for Obama and do not want us to talk about it anymore. Van Jones appears to be big for Obama's future. But, you and Bill may be right.

The people who accuse Van Jones make the accusation that he's making the administration racist can't provide proof of HOW Jones does it. Are there documents Jones has given Obama? Has he spoken of his goals in the administration other than green jobs? Has Obama said Jones would be doing anything new?

I'm skeptical when someone says that Jones is the downfall of the administration.

[goodlife]

Fine, he's racist. I'll even give you that.... I'll give you that he's a nutjob idiot.

However, he has a history in the green jobs industry. As far as I'm concerned, the rest is out of his scope and jurisdiction.


Surely he can find someone "normal" i.e. not a nutjob radical racist who also has a history in the green jobs industry?

What the hell is a green job anyway and why do we need a czar for it?
That's a serious question btw...not a rhetorical one.

[Tulsa]

O'Reilly does not want to tick-off the Obama administration because he wants to be the one and only Fox icon to interview President Obama. He will be an apologist for Obama until it is absolutely clear that Obama won't appear on his show. His position on Van Jones is a farce. How far up in the Obama administraion does O'Reilly need to go before it is important enough for him to cover? O'Reilly is slowly and surely loosing audience support in favor of Glen Beck.

I would have to agree it certainly appears that O'Reilly tip-toes around waiting for barry to toss him a bone.

[rileykeo]

O'Reilly does not want to tick-off the Obama administration because he wants to be the one and only Fox icon to interview President Obama. He will be an apologist for Obama until it is absolutely clear that Obama won't appear on his show. His position on Van Jones is a farce. How far up in the Obama administraion does O'Reilly need to go before it is important enough for him to cover? O'Reilly is slowly and surely loosing audience support in favor of Glen Beck.
Everything you just said is absolutely true. I am starting to get real sick of O'Reilly and his "Fair & Balanced." He is always trying to make Glenn Beck look small and I think it is because he is jealous of him.

[tinydancer]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.

I have no doubt that he feels like a fool now. Beck was even gracious enough to thank the key bloggers who assisted him on getting the links for the story on Van Jones, most notably Trevor from New Zealand who started connecting the dots months ago.

Beck's not done with this story or other czars.

Sean's on it. Hannity may appear mild but he's been angry about these unvetted advisers from day one.

And when Sean's on something he's a pit bull as well.

These stories are just beginning to come out.

[goodlife]

The people who accuse Van Jones make the accusation that he's making the administration racist can't provide proof of HOW Jones does it. Are there documents Jones has given Obama? Has he spoken of his goals in the administration other than green jobs? Has Obama said Jones would be doing anything new?

I'm skeptical when someone says that Jones is the downfall of the administration.

He's but one of the radical house of cards Obama's building.
Just a piece of the puzzle.

[jbthe20th]

Surely he can find someone "normal" i.e. not a nutjob radical racist who also has a history in the green jobs industry?

What the hell is a green job anyway and why do we need a czar for it?
That's a serious question btw...not a rhetorical one.

Simple answer: a czar is an interagency officer at the executive level. Obama gives him powers to work between multiple agencies. So Jones would work between the EPA and the Dept of Energy to get communication going on.... some of the problems in our energy grid are in the infrastructure.... so should we fix the grid completely, everything we have would be more efficient, and thus, more green (as we wouldn't have to produce more pollutants).

As to why you couldn't find anyone else? I don't know. But your question (why HIM and not someone else?) is a logical one, and quite frankly, one that no one else is asking (they're instead trying to chase windmills). I think the fact that he's written a bestselling book and has an organization already has something to do with it.

[sgdp]

It does seem somewhat that Bill is riding Beck's coattails...

[jbthe20th]

He's but one of the radical house of cards Obama's building.
Just a piece of the puzzle.

Start looking in the department of Justice's civil rights division. Should you find radical racists there, then we might be onto something.

[ModerateVoice]

I am starting to get real sick of O'Reilly and his "Fair & Balanced." He is always trying to make Glenn Beck look small and I think it is because he is jealous of him.

I completely agree.

[rckirby]

Surely he can find someone "normal" i.e. not a nutjob radical racist who also has a history in the green jobs industry?

What the hell is a green job anyway and why do we need a czar for it?
That's a serious question btw...not a rhetorical one.

You beat me to it.....

I would add....if he wanted someone who "seems" committed to green jobs, would he have not found a place for T. Boone Pickens??? After all, he has a ton of windmills to get rid of.

I'd almost feel bad for ol' T Boone, except I find it extremely hilarious when someone actually puts their money where their mouth is based on BO policies.

[rckirby]

I completely agree.

Ditto.

He is using Beck to up his own ratings......now if people want to talk about someone who is 'ratings' oriented.....there ya go.

[goodlife]

As to why you couldn't find anyone else? I don't know. But your question (why HIM and not someone else?) is a logical one, and quite frankly, one that no one else is asking (they're instead trying to chase windmills). I think the fact that he's written a bestselling book and has an organization already has something to do with it.

See that's the thing. I don't care that he has all these czars...Bush had czars...I believe I heard somewhere that he had 13 of them. The difference is they were just normal everyday people and nobody felt threatened or unsure of them.
If Obama would surround himself with those types of normal everyday people he would have a much easier time of it I think.
Course that would give us political junkies a whole lot less to talk and argue about though...lol

This whole Van Jones issue has certainly brought up the point that perhaps these czars should have to go through a thorough vetting process.

[PeterGriffin]

See that's the thing. I don't care that he has all these czars...Bush had czars...I believe I heard somewhere that he had 13 of them. The difference is they were just normal everyday people and nobody felt threatened or unsure of them.<snip>

36 actually, and thanks for proving my point that conservatives don't believe in laws, they believe in men.

[Mishiny]

He sticks his wet finger in the air.......
Bingo!

I still watch him but it's getting harder. That's my break time to listen while I run around doing all the chores I won't do during Beck (DVR'd) and Hannity.

Just read the rest of the thread and had to edit to add, I'm so glad others are seeing it too. I've been telling my husband he is trying so hard to get Obama as a guest that he's leaning too far left to do it. You could tell he wanted to agree with Beck tonight and refused to do it. It even seemed for a second like he almost slipped up.

[goodlife]

36 actually, and thanks for proving my point that conservatives don't believe in laws, they believe in men.

Huh? You got that from what I said?

[tinydancer]

Start looking in the department of Justice's civil rights division. Should you find radical racists there, then we might be onto something.

Who cares that he's a black racist?

He's a communist and damn proud of it.

Who cares that he called Republicans *******s?

That's what liberals do every waking hour of their lives.

He's a communist and damn proud of it.

Oh and he was mentored by Jeff Jones who founded the Weather underground with SURPRISE Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

[jbthe20th]

See that's the thing. I don't care that he has all these czars...Bush had czars...I believe I heard somewhere that he had 13 of them. The difference is they were just normal everyday people and nobody felt threatened or unsure of them.
If Obama would surround himself with those types of normal everyday people he would have a much easier time of it I think.
Course that would give us political junkies a whole lot less to talk and argue about though...lol

This whole Van Jones issue has certainly brought up the point that perhaps these czars should have to go through a thorough vetting process.

The reason that "nobody was threatened or unsure of them" was because no one cared to report on them. I mean, who cared that the Bush Administration's justice department was filled with partisans? Or that the EPA basically shut down for 8 years, and the first head of the EPA was fired because she was good?

Basically, screaming "commie!" gets good ratings.

[jbthe20th]

Who cares that he's a black racist?

He's a communist and damn proud of it.

Who cares that he called Republicans *******s?

That's what liberals do every waking hour of their lives.

He's a communist and damn proud of it.

Oh and he was mentored by Jeff Jones who founded the Weather underground with SURPRISE Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

What does this have to do with green jobs?

[TRIMS713]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.
I love O'Reilly but he lost me on this one---I don't get his reasoning at all.

[PeterGriffin]

Huh? You got that from what I said?

You bet, you detailed it very nicely. The Bush administration czars were nice, Ward Cleaver types. Some of the Obama administration czars are scary black men, they even called us *******s! (while calling himself an ******* in the same breath, but thats not important when you've got a scary ****** to wave around).

Conservatives believe in men, not laws. That is why not one prominent conservative of any prominence, including our beloved host, ever said one word questioning all the Bush administration czars in 8 years, and a good chunk of the conservative movement is crapping a ring around itself over the Obama administration special masters. It has nothing to do with the Constitution, it has everything to do with the people.

[bubalu]

Van Jones is way far left, but it is free country and you are allowed to be far far left and even communist. Van Jones is probably one of the most qualified person for developing a green economy. Shame on Glenn Beck for setting back this initiative for personal reasons.

[Blindeye101]

No..he's not right He simply miscalculated and now is trying to make excuses for that.
I got no issue with it either way...
Van Jones was exposed for the nutjob freak racist idiot that he is and he's gone now.
THAT is IMPORTANT.


Is Obama Next?
Crosses Fingers.

[bitterclingerincalif]

Van Jones is way far left, but it is free country and you are allowed to be far far left and even communist. Van Jones is probably one of the most qualified person for developing a green economy. Shame on Glenn Beck for setting back this initiative for personal reasons.

I don't think you have ever been to a STORM gathering, I take it. If you had you will have no doubt what this man is about and it isn't about the green economy. If his agenda was green, Oakland would be in the forefront of the movement. Oakland is far from the green economy capital of the world. Jerry Brown was mayor of Oakland for most of the time Van Jones was there with STORM. Jerry Brown was "green" long before "green" was cool and he would have been for a green economy in the city.

Van Jones had another agenda, one intimated by Glenn Beck. I have no doubt about that.

[monkeymom]

You bet, you detailed it very nicely. The Bush administration czars were nice, Ward Cleaver types. Some of the Obama administration czars are scary black men, they even called us *******s! (while calling himself an ******* in the same breath, but thats not important when you've got a scary ****** to wave around).

Conservatives believe in men, not laws. That is why not one prominent conservative of any prominence, including our beloved host, ever said one word questioning all the Bush administration czars in 8 years, and a good chunk of the conservative movement is crapping a ring around itself over the Obama administration special masters. It has nothing to do with the Constitution, it has everything to do with the people.

And the race card hits the table. I don't think anyone said anything about any of the czars being black - just because you THINK Cons/Republicans are scared of black men in power does not make it so.

[cj234]

Van Jones is way far left, but it is free country and you are allowed to be far far left and even communist. Van Jones is probably one of the most qualified person for developing a green economy. Shame on Glenn Beck for setting back this initiative for personal reasons.

Do you share Van Jones belief in "white people deliberately spray immigrants with pesticides?"

If so shame on you!!!

[goodlife]

You bet, you detailed it very nicely. The Bush administration czars were nice, Ward Cleaver types. Some of the Obama administration czars are scary black men, they even called us *******s! (while calling himself an ******* in the same breath, but thats not important when you've got a scary ****** to wave around).

Conservatives believe in men, not laws. That is why not one prominent conservative of any prominence, including our beloved host, ever said one word questioning all the Bush administration czars in 8 years, and a good chunk of the conservative movement is crapping a ring around itself over the Obama administration special masters. It has nothing to do with the Constitution, it has everything to do with the people.

Did you really just say that some of the Obama czars are scary black men??
Project much?????
:rolleyes:
I quit reading at that point.

[jbthe20th]

Do you share Van Jones belief in "white people deliberately spray immigrants with pesticides?"

If so shame on you!!!

Source? In context?

[tinydancer]

What does this have to do with green jobs?

He never created any. 60 billion dollars.

President Obama devoted nearly $60 billion of his stimulus package to building a new green-based economy rich in renewable energy and strategies to cut carbon.

But despite the price tag, not one green job yet exists. It comes down to a problem of etymology. No one can yet agree on what a green job actually is. The working definition paints a broad stroke: a job that's good for the economy while simultaneously healing the earth. But that leaves lots open to interpretation—natural gas is technically a cleaner fuel than crude oil, but it's still unsustainable—making it difficult, if not impossible, to measure whether eco-based jobs are being created and whether, as the administration has claimed, they're the saviors of a sagging economy.

[avergbear]

Source? In context?

Source: Van Jones

Context: Claimed white people were spraying poison on “people of color.”


If you would watch something other than MSNBC, you would know this.

[tinydancer]

Van Jones is way far left, but it is free country and you are allowed to be far far left and even communist. Van Jones is probably one of the most qualified person for developing a green economy. Shame on Glenn Beck for setting back this initiative for personal reasons.

And why don't you just put up his qualifications?

Best dressed enviromentalist is one of his awards.

By all means go for it. Skip the lib talking points and show his qualifications.

[PeterGriffin]

He never created any. 60 billion dollars.

President Obama devoted nearly $60 billion of his stimulus package to building a new green-based economy rich in renewable energy and strategies to cut carbon.

But despite the price tag, not one green job yet exists. It comes down to a problem of etymology. No one can yet agree on what a green job actually is. The working definition paints a broad stroke: a job that's good for the economy while simultaneously healing the earth. But that leaves lots open to interpretation—natural gas is technically a cleaner fuel than crude oil, but it's still unsustainable—making it difficult, if not impossible, to measure whether eco-based jobs are being created and whether, as the administration has claimed, they're the saviors of a sagging economy.

Even you won't put up the Newsbusters link you got that from. Which I guess means that somewhere deep down inside there is a tiny bit of shame left....lol.

[AvgGuyIA]

See that's the thing. I don't care that he has all these czars...Bush had czars...I believe I heard somewhere that he had 13 of them. The difference is they were just normal everyday people and nobody felt threatened or unsure of them.
If Obama would surround himself with those types of normal everyday people he would have a much easier time of it I think.
Course that would give us political junkies a whole lot less to talk and argue about though...lol

This whole Van Jones issue has certainly brought up the point that perhaps these czars should have to go through a thorough vetting process.There is nothing normal and "everyday" about a liberal. They are in politics for one reason and one reason only: to subvert the Constitution and bring about a Socialist utopia.

[AvgGuyIA]

36 actually, and thanks for proving my point that conservatives don't believe in laws, they believe in men.Nonsense...are you counting your neighborhood postman as a Czar? Czars were never an issue until Obama got into power and created all these Czar positions so his communists buddies wouldn't have to go through a security check.

[roger teekell]

Even you won't put up the Newsbusters link you got that from. Which I guess means that somewhere deep down inside there is a tiny bit of shame left....lol.
Then you should be able to provide a link to the thousands of green jobs that have been created so far??

I'll wait.

[bubalu]

And why don't you just put up his qualifications?

Best dressed enviromentalist is one of his awards.

By all means go for it. Skip the lib talking points and show his qualifications.

Well to keep it simple, from Wikipedia (if you want, you can look up the footnotes):

By 2005, Jones had begun promoting eco-capitalism.[24] In 2005 the Ella Baker Center expanded its vision beyond the immediate concerns of policing, declaring that "If we really wanted to help our communities escape the cycle of incarceration, we had to start focusing on job, wealth and health creation."[22] In 2005, Jones and the Ella Baker Center produced the "Social Equity Track" for the United Nations' World Environment Day celebration, held that year in San Francisco.[25] It was the official beginning of what would eventually become Ella Baker Center's Green-Collar Jobs Campaign.

The Green-Collar Jobs Campaign was Jones' first concerted effort to meld his desire to improve racial and economic equality with his newer desire to mitigate environmental concerns. It soon took as its mission the establishment of the nation's first "Green Jobs Corps" in Oakland. On October 20, 2008, the City of Oakland formally launched the Oakland Green Jobs Corps, a public-private partnership that will "provide local Oakland residents with job training, support, and work experience so that they can independently pursue careers in the new energy economy."[26]

In September 2007, Jones attended the Clinton Global Initiative and announced his plans to launch Green For All, a new national NGO dedicated to creating green pathways out of poverty in America. The plan grew out of the work previously done at local level at the Ella Baker Center. Green For All would take the Green-Collar Jobs Campaign mission — creating green pathways out of poverty — national.

Green For All formally opened its doors on January 1, 2008. In its first year, Green For All organized "The Dream Reborn," the first national green conference where the majority of attendees were people of color. It co-hosted, with 1Sky and the We Campaign, a national day of action for the new economy called "Green Jobs Now." It launched the Green-Collar Cities Program to help cities build local green economies and started the Green For All Capital Access Program to assist green entrepreneurs. As part of the Clean Energy Corps Working Group, it launched a campaign for a Clean Energy Corps initiative which would create 600,000 'green-collar' jobs while retrofitting and upgrading more than 15 million American buildings.[27]

In reflecting on Green For All's first year, Jones wrote, "One year later, Green For All is real – and we have helped put green collar jobs on the map... We have a long way to go. But today we have a strong organization to help get us there."[27]

On October 7, 2008, HarperOne released Jones's first book, The Green Collar Economy. The book outlines Jones's "substantive and viable plan for solving the biggest issues facing the country--the failing economy and our devastated environment."[29] The book has received favorable reviews from Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Laurie David, Paul Hawken, Winona LaDuke and Ben Jealous.[30]

In the book, Jones contended that invention and investment will take us out of a pollution-based grey economy and into a healthy new green economy.[31] Jones wrote:

[W]e are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else.

Jones had a limited publicity budget and no national media platform. But a viral, web-based marketing strategy earned the book a #12 debut on the New York Times bestseller list. Jones and Green For All used "a combination of emails and phone calls to friends, bloggers, and a network of activists" to reach millions of people.[32] The marketing campaign's grassroots nature has led to Jones calling it a victory not for him but for the entire green-collar jobs movement. The Green Collar Economy is the first environmental book authored by an African-American to make the New York Times bestseller list.[27]

[avergbear]

Then you should be able to provide a link to the thousands of green jobs that have been created so far??

I'll wait.

You better grab a deck of cards, or a good book to read while you wait.

Have you read War & Peace lately? If you wait for that list, you’ll have the time.

[AvgGuyIA]

You bet, you detailed it very nicely. The Bush administration czars were nice, Ward Cleaver types. Some of the Obama administration czars are scary black men, they even called us *******s! (while calling himself an ******* in the same breath, but thats not important when you've got a scary ****** to wave around).

Conservatives believe in men, not laws. That is why not one prominent conservative of any prominence, including our beloved host, ever said one word questioning all the Bush administration czars in 8 years, and a good chunk of the conservative movement is crapping a ring around itself over the Obama administration special masters. It has nothing to do with the Constitution, it has everything to do with the people.The Bush era Czars didn't have a history of YouTube-able statements saying they wanted this Country's
government fundamentally changed (read: overthrown and replaced).

[mot1man]

Well to keep it simple, from Wikipedia (if you want, you can look up the footnotes):

By 2005, Jones had begun promoting eco-capitalism.[24] In 2005 the Ella Baker Center expanded its vision beyond the immediate concerns of policing, declaring that "If we really wanted to help our communities escape the cycle of incarceration, we had to start focusing on job, wealth and health creation."[22] In 2005, Jones and the Ella Baker Center produced the "Social Equity Track" for the United Nations' World Environment Day celebration, held that year in San Francisco.[25] It was the official beginning of what would eventually become Ella Baker Center's Green-Collar Jobs Campaign.

The Green-Collar Jobs Campaign was Jones' first concerted effort to meld his desire to improve racial and economic equality with his newer desire to mitigate environmental concerns. It soon took as its mission the establishment of the nation's first "Green Jobs Corps" in Oakland. On October 20, 2008, the City of Oakland formally launched the Oakland Green Jobs Corps, a public-private partnership that will "provide local Oakland residents with job training, support, and work experience so that they can independently pursue careers in the new energy economy."[26]

In September 2007, Jones attended the Clinton Global Initiative and announced his plans to launch Green For All, a new national NGO dedicated to creating green pathways out of poverty in America. The plan grew out of the work previously done at local level at the Ella Baker Center. Green For All would take the Green-Collar Jobs Campaign mission — creating green pathways out of poverty — national.

Green For All formally opened its doors on January 1, 2008. In its first year, Green For All organized "The Dream Reborn," the first national green conference where the majority of attendees were people of color. It co-hosted, with 1Sky and the We Campaign, a national day of action for the new economy called "Green Jobs Now." It launched the Green-Collar Cities Program to help cities build local green economies and started the Green For All Capital Access Program to assist green entrepreneurs. As part of the Clean Energy Corps Working Group, it launched a campaign for a Clean Energy Corps initiative which would create 600,000 'green-collar' jobs while retrofitting and upgrading more than 15 million American buildings.[27]

In reflecting on Green For All's first year, Jones wrote, "One year later, Green For All is real – and we have helped put green collar jobs on the map... We have a long way to go. But today we have a strong organization to help get us there."[27]

On October 7, 2008, HarperOne released Jones's first book, The Green Collar Economy. The book outlines Jones's "substantive and viable plan for solving the biggest issues facing the country--the failing economy and our devastated environment."[29] The book has received favorable reviews from Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Laurie David, Paul Hawken, Winona LaDuke and Ben Jealous.[30]

In the book, Jones contended that invention and investment will take us out of a pollution-based grey economy and into a healthy new green economy.[31] Jones wrote:

[W]e are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else.

Jones had a limited publicity budget and no national media platform. But a viral, web-based marketing strategy earned the book a #12 debut on the New York Times bestseller list. Jones and Green For All used "a combination of emails and phone calls to friends, bloggers, and a network of activists" to reach millions of people.[32] The marketing campaign's grassroots nature has led to Jones calling it a victory not for him but for the entire green-collar jobs movement. The Green Collar Economy is the first environmental book authored by an African-American to make the New York Times bestseller list.[27]

Wonder how much Comrade Jones had/has invested in "eco-capitalism"?

BTW, can I get a resume off of Wikipedia?.............:dance:

[AvgGuyIA]

Van Jones is way far left, but it is free country and you are allowed to be far far left and even communist. Van Jones is probably one of the most qualified person for developing a green economy. Shame on Glenn Beck for setting back this initiative for personal reasons.Sorry, but good Americans aren't going to stand around and let a damn Communist run things - let alone have the ear of the President - even if he is a (little "c") communist himself.

[jbthe20th]

Source: Van Jones

Context: Claimed white people were spraying poison on “people of color.”


If you would watch something other than MSNBC, you would know this.

Wow.... and what were the rest of the words in the paragraph?

[jbthe20th]

You better grab a deck of cards, or a good book to read while you wait.

Have you read War & Peace lately? If you wait for that list, you’ll have the time.

http://www.ecojobs.com/


I bet you'll ignore this though.

[Shawna]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.


Bill wants to land more interviews with Obama.

Exposing Van Jones, means exposing Obama. Exposing Obama, means no interviews.

Bill had to make a decision.

[roger teekell]

Wow.... and what were the rest of the words in the paragraph?Listen for yourself..

http://www.breitbart.tv/green-jobs-czar-says-white-polluters-steered-poison-into-minority-communities/

[Shawna]

Wow.... and what were the rest of the words in the paragraph?

Yes, because more words would make the belief that white people steer poison onto people of color sound more reasonable.

[DaveKlassix]

O'Reilly has gone way down hill ever since coddling Obama during that interview last year. His pathetic softball interviews with Bertha Lewis of ACORN and the 2nd Barney Frank interview proved it.

[roger teekell]

Fine, he's racist. I'll even give you that.... I'll give you that he's a nutjob idiot.

However, he has a history in the green jobs industry. As far as I'm concerned, the rest is out of his scope and jurisdiction.
So with MILLIONS of Americans out of work needing gainful employment..You have to ask yourself...WHY did Obama hire a Racist nutjob idiot to work in his White House..

MOST employers hire people that share a common vision as to what they want to accomplish...no??

[jbthe20th]

Yes, because more words would make the belief that white people spray poison on people of color sound more reasonable.

Actually, he said that most minority neighborhoods don't have the resources to deal with white polluters who pollute minority areas...

(as opposed to white environmentalists who can get more done).

[jbthe20th]

So with MILLIONS of Americans out of work needing gainful employment..You have to ask yourself...WHY did Obama hire a Racist nutjob idiot to work in his White House..

MOST employers hire people that share a common vision as to what they want to accomplish...no??

Has he had a policy proposal in his work so far? If so, has that been of the "let's get whitey back" variety?

[tinydancer]

Even you won't put up the Newsbusters link you got that from. Which I guess means that somewhere deep down inside there is a tiny bit of shame left....lol.

ROTFLMBO.

Popped back in. I actually got this from ta da......

Newsweek.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/209073

[roger teekell]

Has he had a policy proposal in his work so far? If so, has that been of the "let's get whitey back" variety?

That wasn't the question..

WHY did he hire such a hateful person to work for him??

Do employers NORMALLY hire people that SHARE THEIR IDEAOLOGY??

Come on...Be HONEST.

[avergbear]

http://www.ecojobs.com/


I bet you'll ignore this though.

Yeah, I’ll take that “Bird Strike Control” position that they call a “Wildlife Ecologist.”

Most people identify this job as an exterminator.

Putting “Green” in front of a position does not make it a new job, nor does it make us all love one another and hug trees.

You remind me of the 60’s hippies that went around in tie-dye clothes with peace signs on them. They thought they were saving the world too. Most were just nutty pot heads.

[roger teekell]

ROTFLMBO.

Popped back in. I actually got this from ta da......

Newsweek.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/209073OUCH!!

Need a band-aid Peter??:)

[Shawna]

Actually, he said that most minority neighborhoods don't have the resources to deal with white polluters who pollute minority areas...

(as opposed to white environmentalists who can get more done).

But they do have the resources to deal with non-white polluters?

Or is it, all polluters are white?

Or is it, all non-white polluters would never pollute minority areas?

Thanks for making the communist's racist commentary sound so much more reasonable.

[OKCatholic]

Everything you just said is absolutely true. I am starting to get real sick of O'Reilly and his "Fair & Balanced." He is always trying to make Glenn Beck look small and I think it is because he is jealous of him.

I agree. O'Reilly has become more and more arrogant. His going after Big Oil last year was it for me.

So the child rapist story he talked about tonight (I hope his back is not too sore from the self congratulating pats) was bigger than Van Jones?

I think he ridiculed Beck when he had him on tonight, just to let Beck know that "I'm the guy at Fox, and you're just covering nobodies and wackos."

[tinydancer]

Well to keep it simple, from Wikipedia (if you want, you can look up the footnotes):

By 2005, Jones had begun promoting eco-capitalism.[24] In 2005 the Ella Baker Center expanded its vision beyond the immediate concerns of policing, declaring that "If we really wanted to help our communities escape the cycle of incarceration, we had to start focusing on job, wealth and health creation."[22] In 2005, Jones and the Ella Baker Center produced the "Social Equity Track" for the United Nations' World Environment Day celebration, held that year in San Francisco.[25] It was the official beginning of what would eventually become Ella Baker Center's Green-Collar Jobs Campaign.

The Green-Collar Jobs Campaign was Jones' first concerted effort to meld his desire to improve racial and economic equality with his newer desire to mitigate environmental concerns. It soon took as its mission the establishment of the nation's first "Green Jobs Corps" in Oakland. On October 20, 2008, the City of Oakland formally launched the Oakland Green Jobs Corps, a public-private partnership that will "provide local Oakland residents with job training, support, and work experience so that they can independently pursue careers in the new energy economy."[26]

In September 2007, Jones attended the Clinton Global Initiative and announced his plans to launch Green For All, a new national NGO dedicated to creating green pathways out of poverty in America. The plan grew out of the work previously done at local level at the Ella Baker Center. Green For All would take the Green-Collar Jobs Campaign mission — creating green pathways out of poverty — national.

Green For All formally opened its doors on January 1, 2008. In its first year, Green For All organized "The Dream Reborn," the first national green conference where the majority of attendees were people of color. It co-hosted, with 1Sky and the We Campaign, a national day of action for the new economy called "Green Jobs Now." It launched the Green-Collar Cities Program to help cities build local green economies and started the Green For All Capital Access Program to assist green entrepreneurs. As part of the Clean Energy Corps Working Group, it launched a campaign for a Clean Energy Corps initiative which would create 600,000 'green-collar' jobs while retrofitting and upgrading more than 15 million American buildings.[27]

In reflecting on Green For All's first year, Jones wrote, "One year later, Green For All is real – and we have helped put green collar jobs on the map... We have a long way to go. But today we have a strong organization to help get us there."[27]

On October 7, 2008, HarperOne released Jones's first book, The Green Collar Economy. The book outlines Jones's "substantive and viable plan for solving the biggest issues facing the country--the failing economy and our devastated environment."[29] The book has received favorable reviews from Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Laurie David, Paul Hawken, Winona LaDuke and Ben Jealous.[30]

In the book, Jones contended that invention and investment will take us out of a pollution-based grey economy and into a healthy new green economy.[31] Jones wrote:

[W]e are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else.

Jones had a limited publicity budget and no national media platform. But a viral, web-based marketing strategy earned the book a #12 debut on the New York Times bestseller list. Jones and Green For All used "a combination of emails and phone calls to friends, bloggers, and a network of activists" to reach millions of people.[32] The marketing campaign's grassroots nature has led to Jones calling it a victory not for him but for the entire green-collar jobs movement. The Green Collar Economy is the first environmental book authored by an African-American to make the New York Times bestseller list.[27]

That's a sparse resume.Very padded with a lot of words. But please show me his experience as an enviromentalist.

There isn't any. He's a communist community activist and he is a fabrication.

Van Jones has no successes.

None. Zip. Zero.

Van Jones has been aided and abetted by members of the Weather Underground and others from SDS and was manouvered into his position at the White House by John Podesta and Valerie Jarrett.

Big Phoney.

[jbthe20th]

That wasn't the question..

WHY did he hire such a hateful person to work for him??

Do employers NORMALLY hire people that SHARE THEIR IDEAOLOGY??

Come on...Be HONEST.

The guy published a bestselling book on the Green Economy.

[roger teekell]

The guy published a bestselling book on the Green Economy.
So??

That excuses him from being a Racist Nutjob idiot HOW??

And does that somehow get Obama off the hook for hiring him??

I can see that if you answer the question you would have to admit what that we were RIGHT about Obama all along..Going back to the Rev.Wright situation.

These are HIS kind of people JB..

You know it..I know it..And now MILLIONS of Americans know it.

[jbthe20th]

So??

That excuses him from being a Racist Nutjob idiot HOW??

And does that somehow get Obama off the hook for hiring him??

I can see that if you answer the question you would have to admit what that we were RIGHT about Obama all along..Going back to the Rev.Wright situation.

These are HIS kind of people JB..

You know it..I know it..And now MILLIONS of Americans know it.

Roger.... you asked why someone could possibly hire him. His book is something that sets him out from others.

Is it possible that the administration could have had a complete lapse in the vetting process (see Geitner, Tim), focusing instead and frothing from the mouth on a really qualified eco-person?

[avergbear]

So??

That excuses him from being a Racist Nutjob idiot HOW??

And does that somehow get Obama off the hook for hiring him??

I can see that if you answer the question you would have to admit what that we were RIGHT about Obama all along..Going back to the Rev.Wright situation.

These are HIS kind of people JB..

You know it..I know it..And now MILLIONS of Americans know it.

I can’t help but come to the conclusion that people that support Van Jones agree with his radical ideas and have no problem with his past.

These are not the kind of people I care to associate with.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

He never created any. 60 billion dollars.

President Obama devoted nearly $60 billion of his stimulus package to building a new green-based economy rich in renewable energy and strategies to cut carbon.

But despite the price tag, not one green job yet exists. It comes down to a problem of etymology. No one can yet agree on what a green job actually is. The working definition paints a broad stroke: a job that's good for the economy while simultaneously healing the earth. But that leaves lots open to interpretation—natural gas is technically a cleaner fuel than crude oil, but it's still unsustainable—making it difficult, if not impossible, to measure whether eco-based jobs are being created and whether, as the administration has claimed, they're the saviors of a sagging economy.

So I guess we're going to pretend green jobs don't exist?

[avergbear]

So I guess we're going to pretend green jobs don't exist?

I guess you missed this.

"Washington is spending $60 billion to create the careers of the future, but not a single green job yet exists." Obama's 'green czar' Van Jones explains.



http://www.newsweek.com/id/209073

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

See that's the thing. I don't care that he has all these czars...Bush had czars...I believe I heard somewhere that he had 13 of them. The difference is they were just normal everyday people and nobody felt threatened or unsure of them.
If Obama would surround himself with those types of normal everyday people he would have a much easier time of it I think.
Course that would give us political junkies a whole lot less to talk and argue about though...lol

This whole Van Jones issue has certainly brought up the point that perhaps these czars should have to go through a thorough vetting process.

Bush had about the same number, but the fact is that's ******** too, most of these czars aren't even czars by the colloquial definition.

Someone put up a list today and eleven of them were NSC staffers and one was the Director of National Intelligence.

[roger teekell]

Roger.... you asked why someone could possibly hire him. His book is something that sets him out from others.

Is it possible that the administration could have had a complete lapse in the vetting process (see Geitner, Tim), focusing instead and frothing from the mouth on a really qualified eco-person?
Or maybe they knew who he was and what he believes and hired him because he "Fit right in"

Ever heard of Acums Razor??

If you think this stuff didn't come up during the Vetting process...I would suggest to you it did..

You go through a pretty serious security screening to get WH access..

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I guess you missed this.

"Washington is spending $60 billion to create the careers of the future, but not a single green job yet exists." Obama's 'green czar' Van Jones explains.



http://www.newsweek.com/id/209073

If I wasn't living in a city that already has plenty of green jobs, maybe I would believe that nonsense.

[mot1man]

The guy published a bestselling book on the Green Economy.

I'm sorry, but, you just lost every bit bit of credibility you had with me.....Not that it matters, I'm sure..:wall:

Between this post and several others of yours, I've read tonight, you have got to be ******** me?

[roger teekell]

If I wasn't living in a city that already has plenty of green jobs, maybe I would believe that nonsense.

What is your definition of a green job??

Examples??

[tinydancer]

The guy published a bestselling book on the Green Economy.

Where are the stats on the total sales of his book?

His awards include being best dressed enviromentalist. Where are the accolades from world reknowned enviromentalists?

All his awards come from left wing hacks not scientists OR economists.



He's all hype.

Awards and honors
Jones's awards and honors include:[56]

1997-1999 - Rockefeller Foundation "Next Generation Leadership" Fellowship
1998 - Reebok International Human Rights Award
2000 - International Ashoka Fellowship



2008 - Best Dressed Environmental List (#1 of 30); Sustainable Style Foundation:lol:


2008 - Time Magazine Environmental Hero :dance:I love that one


2008 - Elle Magazine Green Award :hug:A new science magazine I guess


2008 - One of the George Lucas Foundation's "Daring Dozen"WOW


2008 - Hunt Prime Mover Award


2008 - Campaign for America's Future "Paul Wellstone Award" HOLY TOLEDO
2008 - Global Green USA "Community Environmental Leadership" Award :lol:

And look at all these other awards that let him assist at the White House distributing billions of dollars:dance:


2008 - San Francisco Foundation Community Leadership Award


2008 - Puffin/Nation prize for "Creative Citizenship"


2008 - World Economic Forum "Young Global Leader"


2009 - Hubert H. Humphrey Civil Rights Award


2009 - Eco-Entrepreneur Award, Institute for Entrepreneurship, Leadership & Innovation; Howard University


2009 - Individual Thought Leadership, Energy & Environment Awards; Aspen Institute[59]

ROTFLMBO!!!!

[avergbear]

Bush had about the same number, but the fact is that's ******** too, most of these czars aren't even czars by the colloquial definition.

Someone put up a list today and eleven of them were NSC staffers and one was the Director of National Intelligence.

The point is that none were vetted, none are answerable to Congress or the American People, and they have power.

It is also worthy to note that more than one has a background of radicalism and activities most would view as anti-American.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

The point is that none were vetted, none are answerable to Congress or the American People, and they have power.

It is also worthy to note that more than one has a background of radicalism and activities most would view as anti-American.

Who on the Bush NSC was vetted besides Condi Rice?

And, um, you may want to look into the DNI.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

What is your definition of a green job??

Examples??

Brownfield reclamation for commercial/residential development?

[avergbear]

Where are the stats on the total sales of his book?

His awards include being best dressed enviromentalist. Where are the accolades from world reknowned enviromentalists?

All his awards come from left wing hacks not scientists OR economists.



He's all hype.

Awards and honors
Jones's awards and honors include:[56]

1997-1999 - Rockefeller Foundation "Next Generation Leadership" Fellowship
1998 - Reebok International Human Rights Award
2000 - International Ashoka Fellowship



2008 - Best Dressed Environmental List (#1 of 30); Sustainable Style Foundation:lol:


2008 - Time Magazine Environmental Hero :dance:I love that one


2008 - Elle Magazine Green Award :hug:A new science magazine I guess


2008 - One of the George Lucas Foundation's "Daring Dozen"WOW


2008 - Hunt Prime Mover Award


2008 - Campaign for America's Future "Paul Wellstone Award" HOLY TOLEDO
2008 - Global Green USA "Community Environmental Leadership" Award :lol:

And look at all these other awards that let him assist at the White House distributing billions of dollars:dance:


2008 - San Francisco Foundation Community Leadership Award


2008 - Puffin/Nation prize for "Creative Citizenship"


2008 - World Economic Forum "Young Global Leader"


2009 - Hubert H. Humphrey Civil Rights Award


2009 - Eco-Entrepreneur Award, Institute for Entrepreneurship, Leadership & Innovation; Howard University


2009 - Individual Thought Leadership, Energy & Environment Awards; Aspen Institute[59]

ROTFLMBO!!!!

"2008 - San Francisco Foundation Community Leadership Award "


Now there is one that any whacko could love.

My God…just look at these names.

They read like a who’s who in radical America

[jbthe20th]

Or maybe they knew who he was and what he believes and hired him because he "Fit right in"

Ever heard of Acums Razor??

If you think this stuff didn't come up during the Vetting process...I would suggest to you it did..

You go through a pretty serious security screening to get WH access..

The vetting process of this administration has been laughable at best. I'm pretty sure that their strategy has been "this Geitner guy seems like a good economist, let's hope for the best" or "I like Van Jones' strategies on Green Jobs, let's just hope for the best!"

I've constantly asked for proof that Van Jones was accepted because of his NON JOB RELATED ideologies. I've also asked for proof that Jones has affected anything whatsoever. I've gotten none.

[tinydancer]

If I wasn't living in a city that already has plenty of green jobs, maybe I would believe that nonsense.

Prove they came from the stimulus money.

If you read the link, Van Jones even admits no jobs had been created. You must be on to something that you should let Newsweek and Van Jones know about.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Prove they came from the stimulus money.

If you read the link, Van Jones even admits no jobs had been created. You must be on to something that you should let Newsweek and Van Jones know about.

I never said it did.

[BigD54]

That's a sparse resume.Very padded with a lot of words. But please show me his experience as an enviromentalist.

There isn't any. He's a communist community activist and he is a fabrication.

Van Jones has no successes.

None. Zip. Zero.

Van Jones has been aided and abetted by members of the Weather Underground and others from SDS and was manouvered into his position at the White House by John Podesta and Valerie Jarrett.

Big Phoney.

You about summed it up tiny... Hes a communist racist fraud! Also Oreily makes me sick sometimes i hate watching him play both sides...

[avergbear]

Brownfield reclamation for commercial/residential development?

Sounds like a fancy name for a landscaper to me.

But…if you put the word “Green” in front of existing jobs and make up highfalutin sounding titles, then perhaps you can fool the school children.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Sounds like a fancy name for a landscaper to me.

But…if you put the word “Green” in front of existing jobs and make up highfalutin sounding titles, then perhaps you can fool the school children.

Guess what? It's not.

Brownfields are the legacy of the steel industry in the Rust Belt, the land is poisoned beyond belief.

[tinydancer]

"2008 - San Francisco Foundation Community Leadership Award "


Now there is one that any whacko could love.

My God…just look at these names.

They read like a who’s who in radical America

I know. I laugh my ass off every time I go to post it.

I never knew that Hubert Humphrey was an eco/economics organization.

See what I mean?

It's all ********.

All smoke and mirrors and is highly reminiscent of another young man who appeared on the national scene from "no where" but with links back to all the same radicals who now operate deep within the Democrat organization.

[roger teekell]

The vetting process of this administration has been laughable at best. I'm pretty sure that their strategy has been "this Geitner guy seems like a good economist, let's hope for the best" or "I like Van Jones' strategies on Green Jobs, let's just hope for the best!"

I've constantly asked for proof that Van Jones was accepted because of his NON JOB RELATED ideologies. I've also asked for proof that Jones has affected anything whatsoever. I've gotten none.

Here is Valarie Jarrett championing his "Non job related" activities in Oakland Ca.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/03/van-jones-valerie-jarrett-barack-obama-do-it-yourself-vetting/


JARRETT:. You guys know Van Jones? [Applause. Moderator injects: "This is his house apparently."]

JARRETT: Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House.

You're welcome.

[avergbear]

Guess what? It's not.

Brownfields are the legacy of the steel industry in the Rust Belt, the land is poisoned beyond belief.

Reclamation is not something new.

[roger teekell]

Brownfield reclamation for commercial/residential development?

What do they do??

[roger teekell]

Guess what? It's not.

Brownfields are the legacy of the steel industry in the Rust Belt, the land is poisoned beyond belief.
Then this company and it's jobs existed LONG before Obama got in office...No??

[redbone]

Here is Valarie Jarrett championing his "Non job related" activities in Oakland Ca.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/03/van-jones-valerie-jarrett-barack-obama-do-it-yourself-vetting/


JARRETT:. You guys know Van Jones? [Applause. Moderator injects: "This is his house apparently."]

JARRETT: Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House.

You're welcome.

JARRETT: "And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House."

What ideas that they get from him and what type of energy did he transfer into the WH that they all love?

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

What do they do??

Well, here in Pittsburgh, all the riverfront real estate was where the steel mills formerly were (and in some cases their rotting carcasses still are), and the land is so poisoned that virtually no plant life can grow there (hence, brownfields).

Now, this is all tremendously valuable real estate if properly developed, so people are working on getting the soil and such into a state that it can support life and not poison the water table, for commercial or residential development.

I think it's cool, and the fact that they're doing it in the ghetto I'm from doesn't hurt either.

[avergbear]

JARRETT: "And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House."

What ideas that they get from him and what type of energy did he transfer into the WH that they all love?

The man accused white people of spraying poison on “people of color,” and the White House is excited to have that energy in the Administration.

What else do we need to know before we conclude they have declared war on us?

[DaveKlassix]

Who on the Bush NSC was vetted besides Condi Rice?

And, um, you may want to look into the DNI.

So again were back to the "Well Bush did it, therefore its ok for Obama to do it" BS? :rolleyes:

[avergbear]

Well, here in Pittsburgh, all the riverfront real estate was where the steel mills formerly were (and in some cases their rotting carcasses still are), and the land is so poisoned that virtually no plant life can grow there (hence, brownfields).

Now, this is all tremendously valuable real estate if properly developed, so people are working on getting the soil and such into a state that it can support life and not poison the water table, for commercial or residential development.

I think it's cool, and the fact that they're doing it in the ghetto I'm from doesn't hurt either.

You’ve been spending too much time at Kennywood.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

So again were back to the "Well Bush did it, therefore its ok for Obama to do it" BS? :rolleyes:

Just pointing that a lot of people here were defending this stuff two years ago with the war czar thing, and they know who they are.

[bassman]

Every time I see Beck on O'Reilly's show there is too much laughing going on. Beck is just laughing along with O'Reilly, but it seems that O'Reilly is laughing AT Beck to belittle him to the audience. Beck will have the last laugh however.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

You’ve been spending too much time at Kennywood.

Kennywood is great. I didn't even go this summer.

I only have one phobia and, get this, it's rollercoasters. I don't fear death, but I'm scared to death of roller coasters. I actually went last year and rode them all to prove a point, but I shook like a leaf the whole time.

[avergbear]

Kennywood is great. I didn't even go this summer.

I only have one phobia and, get this, it's rollercoasters. I don't fear death, but I'm scared to death of roller coasters. I actually went last year and rode them all to prove a point, but I shook like a leaf the whole time.

If memory serves me correctly, they have the Thunderbolt, The Racer (twin coaster), Jack Rabbit, and the Steel Phantom.

[roger teekell]

Well, here in Pittsburgh, all the riverfront real estate was where the steel mills formerly were (and in some cases their rotting carcasses still are), and the land is so poisoned that virtually no plant life can grow there (hence, brownfields).

Now, this is all tremendously valuable real estate if properly developed, so people are working on getting the soil and such into a state that it can support life and not poison the water table, for commercial or residential development.

I think it's cool, and the fact that they're doing it in the ghetto I'm from doesn't hurt either.
I think that is great!

Seriously.

I don't see how that relates to Van Jones.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

If memory serves me correctly, they have the Thunderbolt, The Racer (twin coaster), Jack Rabbit, and the Steel Phantom.

They also have a really cool indoor coaster now.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I think that is great!

Seriously.

I don't see how that relates to Van Jones.

I don't give a **** about Van Jones, though I personally like the guy because I've met him a few times.

I hate when people claim there's no such thing as green jobs. I mean, for pete's sake, that's why they're holding the G-20 here, instead of a world capital like they usually do, at the end of the month.

[avergbear]

They also have a really cool indoor coaster now.

I haven’t been there for a long time but in years past I’ve spent many a day in that park.

Kissed my first girl there, too.

[chico53]

I have no doubt that he feels like a fool now. Beck was even gracious enough to thank the key bloggers who assisted him on getting the links for the story on Van Jones, most notably Trevor from New Zealand who started connecting the dots months ago.

Beck's not done with this story or other czars.

Sean's on it. Hannity may appear mild but he's been angry about these unvetted advisers from day one.

And when Sean's on something he's a pit bull as well.

These stories are just beginning to come out.

The difference is O'Reilly understands you can only go so long railing at the lefties before you turn off the inbetweeners. He prides himself on having those folks as viewers.

Hannity, Beck, etc. have no need or desire to stop. In fact, this works out well for them because it feeds the desires of their audience. Their viewers have no interest in accuracy or fair reporting. All they want is blood.

[jbthe20th]

Here is Valarie Jarrett championing his "Non job related" activities in Oakland Ca.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/03/van-jones-valerie-jarrett-barack-obama-do-it-yourself-vetting/


JARRETT:. You guys know Van Jones? [Applause. Moderator injects: "This is his house apparently."]

JARRETT: Oooh. Van Jones, alright! So, Van Jones. We were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House. We were watching him, uh, really, he’s not that old, for as long as he’s been active out in Oakland. And all the creative ideas he has. And so now, we have captured that. And we have all that energy in the White House.

You're welcome.
Yes.... and you're going to interpret that to mean his early radical life? I'll take it to mean what he's actually done... meaning his work in the green industry.

[roger teekell]

I don't give a **** about Van Jones, though I personally like the guy because I've met him a few times.

I hate when people claim there's no such thing as green jobs. I mean, for pete's sake, that's why they're holding the G-20 here, instead of a world capital like they usually do, at the end of the month.

Well Reclaimation ans restoration companies have been around for years..

But this thread IS about Van Jones...His name is in the title after all..

Just putting the word "Green" in front of them doesn't magically make them any more or less important than these types of jobs have ever been..

[roger teekell]

Yes.... and you're going to interpret that to mean his early radical life? I'll take it to mean what he's actually done... meaning his work in the green industry.
Work in the GREEN Industry??

When..

He had a JOB in the GREEN industry??

Got a link to show where he worked??..

What his JOB was??

His "Work" in Oakland was ACTVISM....That was all he did there..

Unless you have something to show different??

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I just found out why O'Reilly isn't touching this czar thing: It's because he was calling for more of them during the Bush Administration.

[toeknee]

Bill got left in the dust by Glen Beck and Sean and he knew Jones was done!

[BigD54]

The difference is O'Reilly understands you can only go so long railing at the lefties before you turn off the inbetweeners. He prides himself on having those folks as viewers.

Hannity, Beck, etc. have no need or desire to stop. In fact, this works out well for them because it feeds the desires of their audience. Their viewers have no interest in accuracy or fair reporting. All they want is blood.

"No need for accuracy or fair reporting"?? LMAO YOU ARE FUNNY!! What did they report thats not true?? Seriously

[OKCatholic]

Well Reclaimation ans restoration companies have been around for years..

But this thread IS about Van Jones...His name is in the title after all..

Just putting the word "Green" in front of them doesn't magically make them any more or less important than these types of jobs have ever been..

Obama has never said what a Green Job is. Using some of the logic on this thread would mean my trash man has a green job. Existing jobs that are reclamation (we've had those in the oil patch states for year) are not what I'm guessing Obama has in mind. He's more into new jobs that are green and clean, but as usual no one, including Obama, knows what the hell he's talking about.

I guess Gore has one.

[DaveKlassix]

I just found out why O'Reilly isn't touching this czar thing: It's because he was calling for more of them during the Bush Administration.

considering what a phony and a hypocrite Oreilly is, i wouldn't be surprised.

[roger teekell]

Obama has never said what a Green Job is. Using some of the logic on this thread would mean my trash man has a green job. Existing jobs that are reclamation (we've had those in the oil patch states for year) are not what I'm guessing Obama has in mind. He's more into new jobs that are green and clean, but as usual no one, including Obama, knows what the hell he's talking about.

I guess Gore has one.
This Administration NEVER gets specific about ANYTHING!!

Think about that..


It's really amazing.

[tinydancer]

The difference is O'Reilly understands you can only go so long railing at the lefties before you turn off the inbetweeners. He prides himself on having those folks as viewers.

Hannity, Beck, etc. have no need or desire to stop. In fact, this works out well for them because it feeds the desires of their audience. Their viewers have no interest in accuracy or fair reporting. All they want is blood.

Everything Beck reported on Van Jones is accurate.


If you have a problem with it, prove that there are lies.Don't fabricate that people are out for blood.

I don't want opinion. I want facts. Whether it's from Beck or the White House. I know Beck hasn't lied.

I know the White House is the home of the Whopper.

Van Jones is a communist, black national anti police activist.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

[avergbear]

Obama has never said what a Green Job is. Using some of the logic on this thread would mean my trash man has a green job. Existing jobs that are reclamation (we've had those in the oil patch states for year) are not what I'm guessing Obama has in mind. He's more into new jobs that are green and clean, but as usual no one, including Obama, knows what the hell he's talking about.

I guess Gore has one.

A Green Job is a job that makes a lot of green (money) for General Electric.

[OKCatholic]

This Administration NEVER gets specific about ANYTHING!!

Think about that..


It's really amazing.


True, but it sure as hell worked during the campaign :think:

[tinydancer]

Yes.... and you're going to interpret that to mean his early radical life? I'll take it to mean what he's actually done... meaning his work in the green industry.

What work in the "green industry"?

Frankly, I can't see where he's ever had a day job. He's always been an activist.

[Shawna]

Van Jones is a communist, black national anti police activist.

Truth hurts doesn't it?

Most liberals are proud of this truth, not hurt by it. Obama certainly has no problem with it.

[DaveKlassix]

Another famous OReilly quote from tonight to Beck: “Communism is no longer a threat”

[avergbear]

Another famous OReilly quote from tonight to Beck: “Communism is no longer a threat”

Yes, my jaw hit the floor when I heard him say that.

[tinydancer]

Most liberals are proud of this truth, not hurt by it. Obama certainly has no problem with it.

True that.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

True, but it sure as hell worked during the campaign :think:

I don't know where this talking point comes from. It's patently false.

Obama, right from the beginning of his campaign, was more specific about what he would do than any candidate in decades. He laid out a white paper outlining his specific positions on basically everything virtually right from the outset.

Maybe you guys just didn't read it.:think:

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Another famous OReilly quote from tonight to Beck: “Communism is no longer a threat”

You know, the Cold War has been over for two decades.

[muhadeeb99]

Yes, my jaw hit the floor when I heard him say that.
As did my virtual jaw. Olde communism has been transformed into neo-communism. What was dead or nearly dead has risen from the ashes of the cold war under a different master. The preaching of neo-communism is relegated to liberal scholars to help bolster social justice where equality of capitalism is spread equally. In other words the effect is to close the gap of the haves and the have-naughts. Obama and Co. are flirting with this concept within their legal limits and scrutiny. The bad part is they have been found out to espouse quietly the whispers of their intents.

[Cletus Wilbury]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.

He's been pretty condescending to Glen Beck recently. The other day he said, talking to Glen, something like "I can't believe anybody would want to read your book, Beck".

I'm guessing he is trying to separate himself from Glen Beck a bit. (I won't bother to suggest why he's doing that here, because it would probably just get deleted)

[Cletus Wilbury]

Another famous OReilly quote from tonight to Beck: “Communism is no longer a threat”

I'll go out on another 'limb' and suggest the reason O'Reilly said that.

When Glen Beck tried to demonstrate that Rockefeller Center is some sort of commie/fascist/liberal plot, Glen sounds a 'little' foolish. Again, O'Reilly is distancing himself from Glen's statements.

Googled: Glenn Beck debuts as Fox News art critic (http://www.artsjournal.com/man/2009/09/glenn_beck_debuts_as_fox_news.html)


...
Beck's next target was Attilio Piccirilli's 1936 Youth Leading Industry (http://www.rockefellercenter.com/index.php/section/4#/4/1/16/59/), a Pyrex-brick relief. Piccirlli, best-known during his lifetime for the Marine Memorial at Columbus Circle and for being New York mayor Fiorello LaGuardia's favorite artist and best friend ....

There is no evidence to indicate that Piccirilli was a fascist-sympathizer. At the time of the commissions discussed here, he'd lived in New York for four decades. He received these commissions only after a much-publicized dustup about Rockefeller Center pursuing Europeans such as Matisse and Picasso to create the art for Rockefeller Center.) ...

[MXdad]

36 actually, and thanks for proving my point that conservatives don't believe in laws, they believe in men.

And how many of those were either vetted or cleared by the FBI ?

[WildRose]

Fine, he's racist. I'll even give you that.... I'll give you that he's a nutjob idiot.

However, he has a history in the green jobs industry. As far as I'm concerned, the rest is out of his scope and jurisdiction.He also has a "history" as a radical revolutionary and a Marxist Communist.

Exactly what is his history at creating green jobs? What green jobs has he created? How many? Where?

[coodaddy]

All this talk of green jobs is making me sick! What a joke, what a fallacy. It's yet another cute term created by the wacky Libs. Keep on smoking that crack! Let's talk about REAL JOBS, eh? Let's talk about gettting some of those millions of real jobs back that have been lost since Oblamo took office. Jeesh..... :rolleyes:

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

All this talk of green jobs is making me sick! What a joke, what a fallacy. It's yet another cute term created by the wacky Libs. Keep on smoking that crack! Let's talk about REAL JOBS, eh? Let's talk about gettting some of those millions of real jobs back that have been lost since Oblamo took office. Jeesh..... :rolleyes:

Green jobs are real.

I guess this is the new talking point.

[Thanatos144]

Green jobs are real.

I guess this is the new talking point.

Where are they?

[zantax]

Green jobs are real.

I guess this is the new talking point.

Sure they are, too bad they end up erasing more jobs then they create though, at least according to a study in Spain. That's because they are mostly government subsidized, pulling capital from the free market and funneling it into the government where it ends up creating less jobs then it would in the private sector.

[Shawna]

All this talk of green jobs is making me sick! What a joke, what a fallacy. It's yet another cute term created by the wacky Libs. Keep on smoking that crack! Let's talk about REAL JOBS, eh? Let's talk about gettting some of those millions of real jobs back that have been lost since Oblamo took office. Jeesh..... :rolleyes:


You don't understand. A "green job" is better than the old antiquated "real job".

First, it's better because it does not have to actually exist. Just look at all the "saved" jobs we have right now.

Second, "real jobs" are dirty and require actual work. A "green job" is like not having a job at all. And the workers (proletariat/unions) will be happy to give up their filthy "real jobs" for a clean "green job".

Perhaps you need a little "re-education" to help you better understand all of this.

[coodaddy]

You don't understand. A "green job" is better than the old antiquated "real job".

First, it's better because it does not have to actually exist. Just look at all the "saved" jobs we have right now.

Second, "real jobs" are dirty and require actual work. A "green job" is like not having a job at all. And the workers (proletariat/unions) will be happy to give up their filthy "real jobs" for a clean "green job".

Perhaps you need a little "re-education" to help you better understand all of this.

Nope, I'm not giving up my Conservative values and proper upbringing. I was taught that you can't get something for nothing and hard work and dedication ALWAYS pays off.

[HannitizedMan]

I'd like to see oreill resign from fox news. he's the biggest blowhard, unintelligent, arrogant, jealous loser.

[rjhambone]

The guy published a bestselling book on the Green Economy.

That's a the resume'? Wow, that's...so sad.

[Thanatos144]

I'd like to see oreill resign from fox news. he's the biggest blowhard, unintelligent, arrogant, jealous loser.

I am pretty sure he wont resign and Fox wont ask him to. He gets the highest rating than all of them. He is wrong about stuff like everyone but he will own up to it. Watch I believe that within this week he will admit to being wrong about not watching Jones.

[rjhambone]

I never said it did.



If I wasn't living in a city that already has plenty of green jobs, maybe I would believe that nonsense.




You were disputing the statement that the stimulus had created green jobs, now you do not? So what's the reall story?

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Where are they?

Here in Pittsburgh for sure. That's why we're hosting the G-20 when they usually pick cities like NYC and London.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Sure they are, too bad they end up erasing more jobs then they create though, at least according to a study in Spain. That's because they are mostly government subsidized, pulling capital from the free market and funneling it into the government where it ends up creating less jobs then it would in the private sector.

The fact that Pittsburgh is the only major metropolitan area that didn't get crushed by the Great Recession, and our unemployment rates is significantly lower than the national average, while being about five years ahead of the curve on this green stuff, seems to belie your point.

[Electromyographical Alien]

I can not believe that Bill Oreily comment about the Van Jones story. Bill said he did not cover Van Jones becasue he felt that Van was a little guy in the picture and not important.Van Jones was in charge of allocating almost a billion dollars and was in meetings to discuss the spending of billions more.

That's little to some and not to others.

Either way, whether his role was smaller than some or not, it's a reflection of Obama's choices. And THAT'S the story.

[Thanatos144]

Here in Pittsburgh for sure. That's why we're hosting the G-20 when they usually pick cities like NYC and London.

And they are what?

[zantax]

The fact that Pittsburgh is the only major metropolitan area that didn't get crushed by the Great Recession, and our unemployment rates is significantly lower than the national average, while being about five years ahead of the curve on this green stuff, seems to belie your point.


Anecdotal, you haven't proven their lower unemployment rate is the result of green jobs.

[OKCatholic]

I don't know where this talking point comes from. It's patently false.

Obama, right from the beginning of his campaign, was more specific about what he would do than any candidate in decades. He laid out a white paper outlining his specific positions on basically everything virtually right from the outset.

Maybe you guys just didn't read it.:think:

Hope and Change, Change and Hope...yes master

[OKCatholic]

I am pretty sure he wont resign and Fox wont ask him to. He gets the highest rating than all of them. He is wrong about stuff like everyone but he will own up to it. Watch I believe that within this week he will admit to being wrong about not watching Jones.

Highly doubtful...please let us know when he does, as I won't be watching

[Thanatos144]

Highly doubtful...please let us know when he does, as I won't be watching

Your posts proves you dont watch anyway.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Hope and Change, Change and Hope...yes master

You can still find it you know. Read it, then compare it to what he's doing now.

He told you beforehand, you didn't listen.

[OKCatholic]

The fact that Pittsburgh is the only major metropolitan area that didn't get crushed by the Great Recession, and our unemployment rates is significantly lower than the national average, while being about five years ahead of the curve on this green stuff, seems to belie your point.

The only one? :rolleyes:

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

The only one? :rolleyes:

Yes, remember, we're one of the largest metro areas in the country, 2.5, 3 million people.

[OKCatholic]

Your posts proves you dont watch anyway.

Please give me some examples of his apologies.

[chico53]

Van Jones was in charge of allocating almost a billion dollars and was in meetings to discuss the spending of billions more.

That's little to some and not to others.

Either way, whether his role was smaller than some or not, it's a reflection of Obama's choices. And THAT'S the story.

Perhaps. But the right wing media and their followers clearly isn't going to stop there. Their intention is to slowly eliminate every person who either works in this administration or disagrees with their point of view. Those who get in the way or refuse to play ball are eliminated one way or the other. Without naming names, some of the methods chosen can be quite violent.

It is clear that the Limbaugh view - this administration must fail at all costs no matter who gets hurt or what it might do to the country - runs the entire right wing structure. As a result, the body count is growing.

Not one righty politician dare stand in their way, either. If they do, they will be simply added to the pile and a new one will take their place.

Every administration since Washington has been in a social war of sorts. Every administration has made its share of mistakes. There are always appointments that need examination and (if need be) dismissal from their position. That's the system ... and it usually works well.

This is different, though. The daily attacks on this administration show the right really does want failure and really doesn't care about fallout from failure. This is what bitter people do - take down everybody because they are mad themselves. It makes them feel good about themselves but it is a lousy way to govern.

Perhaps Mr. O'Reilly just came to the conclusion that, for now, enough is enough.

[Mohawk5]

Even Billy O makes mistakes.

[NeoConRipper]

For the 6 years I've been posting on this board, listening to talk radio, the only people who I see called "racist" are the likes of Rev. Wright, Spike Lee, Van Jones, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton.

I never see racism in America discussed as a serious issue, say like, terrorism....

I just find it odd that all of these Black men seem to be the only "racist"in America worth discussing.

[Backwoods]

I just find it odd that all of these Black men seem to be the only "racist"in America worth discussing.
No,they are just the ones that get a pass from the MSM for being racist. They are just as guilty of racism as Bubba the Klan member,but the MSM hand the ACLU heralds them as heroes.

[Thanatos144]

Please give me some examples of his apologies.
I am not the one who thinks he is dishonest you are so why should I try to prove he isnt? You need to prove he is.

[OKCatholic]

Yes, remember, we're one of the largest metro areas in the country, 2.5, 3 million people.


I found that Pittsburgh Met area has indeed done better than most, but also found several others as good or better (San Antonio, OKC, Tulsa, New Orleans, Austin).

Good for Pitt. I was surprised to learn that they've done pretty good.

[Thanatos144]

I'm sure you have proof for this slanderous claim other than the voices in your head.

Dont even reply to him chances are he is a retred or a troll that wont be around much longer. No needed getting caught up in his fall. I would report him but I cant access the talk to a Mod forum cause of my browser.

[ka2008]

I was really surprised at O'Reillys comments last night & the way it seemed to be funny to him.

[Surfergirl]

I didn't read the whole thread but I think this administration is trying to get the most radical people it can find. I guess the first wife thinks highly of Van Jones sometimes I think she is more radical that BHO himself. I have strongly disliked the first wife since she said America is a mean country and her comments that Barack won't let you do nothing. News for the Obama's most of the country is now against them and we are doing a whole lot with teaparties and town halls.

[chico53]

It was discussed at some length when Rush Limbaugh went off on his drug fueled speech about the media wanting a black quarterback to succeed. Ironically, when Rush went into rehab for his drug addiction (he lost both his hearing and ability to have a bowel movement with out a doctor's assistance due to years of narcotic abuse) he kept hallucinating that the orderly in his detox clinic was Donovan McNabb!

The difference is Mr. Limbaugh was basically given a pass by his fans on the issue. At best, those fans who dissented with him did so quietly. One of the advantages to being a demi-god is you get to step over the line occasionally without any harm done. The reason is simple: they might privately think he was being a bit extreme but, since he is right on every issue, they simply let it go.

It is simply about which side of the street you are on. If you are a conservative talkie or a legislator who votes conservatively, there is no limit to what you can say or feel that will get you in trouble. Look at Michelle Bachmann or Michelle Malkin or Ann Coulter. Their conservatism gives them carte blanche to say or write anything they want with no fear of reprisal from their fellow righties.

On the other hand, if you are a liberal, there is nothing you can say or feel that can't be turned into a rant. The fact that the guys mentioned happened to African-American is a wonderful bonus.

[OKCatholic]

I am not the one who thinks he is dishonest you are so why should I try to prove he isnt? You need to prove he is.

1. His tirade against the Oil companies and price gouging - never proved squat and never apologized for his false accusations
2. His denial that Communism is a threat.
3. His belittling of Beck, which is plain as day

I got three and I don't hardly watch. You got zero and you watch all the time.

How about it? Gimme something

[NeoConRipper]

Sigh....so what makes Jones a racist? When did he express the opinion that one race was superior to the other?

[Thanatos144]

1. His tirade against the Oil companies and price gouging - never proved squat and never apologized for his false accusations
2. His denial that Communism is a threat.
3. His belittling of Beck, which is plain as day

I got three and I don't hardly watch. You got zero and you watch all the time.

How about it? Gimme something

He was proved right that speculators were the reason prices went up and I am with him that they were and are gouging.

He is allowed his opinion that communism isnt a threat. You and me might think he is wrong but that doesn't mean anything.

They are having fun. You have a problem with good nature ribbing?

[jmb6]

Van Jones is probably one of the most qualified person for developing a green economy.
Expand?

[Thanatos144]

Sigh....so what makes Jones a racist? When did he express the opinion that one race was superior to the other?

It is about hate not superiority. Nice try at a spin though but as normal epic fail.

[toreyj01]

I always thought that Bill O'Reilly had convictions and some sort of point where he knew that prudence and proof were more important than ratings. He certainly is FAR from a liberal or one that coddles them, but he seems to have some sort of moral and professional compass that tempers that innate need to provoke and spur ratings.

His ratings reflect that, he is a proven winner in that regard, and if I am correct, he is a friend of Mr. Hannity's so some sort of respect should be reserved for him.

[NeoConRipper]

It is about hate not superiority. Nice try at a spin though but as normal epic fail.

When did he express the opinion that he hated other races?

[jmb6]

Well to keep it simple, from Wikipedia (if you want, you can look up the footnotes):

By 2005, Jones had begun promoting eco-capitalism.[24] In 2005 the Ella Baker Center expanded its vision beyond the immediate concerns of policing, declaring that "If we really wanted to help our communities escape the cycle of incarceration, we had to start focusing on job, wealth and health creation."[22] In 2005, Jones and the Ella Baker Center produced the "Social Equity Track" for the United Nations' World Environment Day celebration, held that year in San Francisco.[25] It was the official beginning of what would eventually become Ella Baker Center's Green-Collar Jobs Campaign.

The Green-Collar Jobs Campaign was Jones' first concerted effort to meld his desire to improve racial and economic equality with his newer desire to mitigate environmental concerns. It soon took as its mission the establishment of the nation's first "Green Jobs Corps" in Oakland. On October 20, 2008, the City of Oakland formally launched the Oakland Green Jobs Corps, a public-private partnership that will "provide local Oakland residents with job training, support, and work experience so that they can independently pursue careers in the new energy economy."[26]

In September 2007, Jones attended the Clinton Global Initiative and announced his plans to launch Green For All, a new national NGO dedicated to creating green pathways out of poverty in America. The plan grew out of the work previously done at local level at the Ella Baker Center. Green For All would take the Green-Collar Jobs Campaign mission — creating green pathways out of poverty — national.

Green For All formally opened its doors on January 1, 2008. In its first year, Green For All organized "The Dream Reborn," the first national green conference where the majority of attendees were people of color. It co-hosted, with 1Sky and the We Campaign, a national day of action for the new economy called "Green Jobs Now." It launched the Green-Collar Cities Program to help cities build local green economies and started the Green For All Capital Access Program to assist green entrepreneurs. As part of the Clean Energy Corps Working Group, it launched a campaign for a Clean Energy Corps initiative which would create 600,000 'green-collar' jobs while retrofitting and upgrading more than 15 million American buildings.[27]

In reflecting on Green For All's first year, Jones wrote, "One year later, Green For All is real – and we have helped put green collar jobs on the map... We have a long way to go. But today we have a strong organization to help get us there."[27]

On October 7, 2008, HarperOne released Jones's first book, The Green Collar Economy. The book outlines Jones's "substantive and viable plan for solving the biggest issues facing the country--the failing economy and our devastated environment."[29] The book has received favorable reviews from Al Gore, Nancy Pelosi, Laurie David, Paul Hawken, Winona LaDuke and Ben Jealous.[30]

In the book, Jones contended that invention and investment will take us out of a pollution-based grey economy and into a healthy new green economy.[31] Jones wrote:

[W]e are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world —and everyone else.

Jones had a limited publicity budget and no national media platform. But a viral, web-based marketing strategy earned the book a #12 debut on the New York Times bestseller list. Jones and Green For All used "a combination of emails and phone calls to friends, bloggers, and a network of activists" to reach millions of people.[32] The marketing campaign's grassroots nature has led to Jones calling it a victory not for him but for the entire green-collar jobs movement. The Green Collar Economy is the first environmental book authored by an African-American to make the New York Times bestseller list.[27]

Sounds like the only green job created was his own. heh

[jmb6]

http://www.ecojobs.com/


I bet you'll ignore this though.

Looks like all the jobs are either international or lawyer jobs trying to navigate the waters of government regulation.

I suppose you're right. Waxman Markey is going to create all kinds of jobs for lawyers.

[Thanatos144]

When did he express the opinion that he hated other races?

Green Jobs Czar Van Jones Says White Polluters Steered Poison Into Minority Communities link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gOmIalJVw)

sound like love to you?

[OKCatholic]

He was proved right that speculators were the reason prices went up and I am with him that they were and are gouging.

He is allowed his opinion that communism isnt a threat. You and me might think he is wrong but that doesn't mean anything.

They are having fun. You have a problem with good nature ribbing?

1. He first claimed it was big oil, and only later when he actually was informed on how commodity trading worked, he switched to the speculators - never apologized for his initial accusation
2. Either he has his head up you know where - or he said it to belittle Beck - maybe both
3. I can tell the difference between fun and ridicule - this was putting down Beck for having the adacity to challenge his "ratings" - which he regularly brags about.

To be clear - I agree with much of what he says, but his self-love and arrogance will not allow him to apologize when he's wrong

So you've still not answered my question. Where are your examples of his apologies? I can save you the trouble - no need to look - there aren't any

[chico53]

I always thought that Bill O'Reilly had convictions and some sort of point where he knew that prudence and proof were more important than ratings. He certainly is FAR from a liberal or one that coddles them, but he seems to have some sort of moral and professional compass that tempers that innate need to provoke and spur ratings.

His ratings reflect that, he is a proven winner in that regard, and if I am correct, he is a friend of Mr. Hannity's so some sort of respect should be reserved for him.

Funny you mention the friend thing. I have never heard him reference the guy one way or the other. My guess is they are rivals gunning for the same advertisers and same audience. O'Reilly is definitely right-leaning but, unlike Mr. Hannity, he seems to be able to hold some animus for lefties in check. Whether that is for practical reasons for not is unknown.

[NeoConRipper]

Green Jobs Czar Van Jones Says White Polluters Steered Poison Into Minority Communities link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6gOmIalJVw)

sound like love to you?

He said that the people who were doing the polluting were White.

Where does he express hatred for ALL White people?

[Thanatos144]

1. He first claimed it was big oil, and only later when he actually was informed on how commodity trading worked, he switched to the speculators - never apologized for his initial accusation
2. Either he has his head up you know where - or he said it to belittle Beck - maybe both
3. I can tell the difference between fun and ridicule - this was putting down Beck for having the adacity to challenge his "ratings" - which he regularly brags about.

To be clear - I agree with much of what he says, but his self-love and arrogance will not allow him to apologize when he's wrong

So you've still not answered my question. Where are your examples of his apologies? I can save you the trouble - no need to look - there aren't any

he rightly thinks that big oil and the speculators run hand in hand. Sorry But I don't trust any of them and through out my life they have shown me right not to.

I think if Beck himself says he wasn't belittled like he did on his show today I am not one to say different.

Understand I don't agree with a lot of what Bill says but I don't think he is dishonest. Arrogant? Yes. Likes to pat himself on the back? Yes. But we all have our annoying habits they are not as bad as say Olbermans are.

[Thanatos144]

He said that the people who were doing the polluting were White.

Where does he express hatred for ALL White people?

Ok no use trying anymore.

[OKCatholic]

he rightly thinks that big oil and the speculators run hand in hand. Sorry But I don't trust any of them and through out my life they have shown me right not to.

I think if Beck himself says he wasn't belittled like he did on his show today I am not one to say different.

Understand I don't agree with a lot of what Bill says but I don't think he is dishonest. Arrogant? Yes. Likes to pat himself on the back? Yes. But we all have our annoying habits they are not as bad as say Olbermans are.


If Big Oil has that much influence, why not keep prices high all the time? Wouldn't that be best for Big Oil? Or maybe they just like to "tease" us by playing with the price.

Come on - think about it. It's worldwide supply demand, and many complex issues drive the price. You think O'Reilly's sponsors have to pay more to advertise with him than on NBC? You better believe it - because it's about demand. Or is Bill price gouging for ad dollars?

[NeoConRipper]

Ok no use trying anymore.

Because you have nothing.

[Thanatos144]

If Big Oil has that much influence, why not keep prices high all the time? Wouldn't that be best for Big Oil? Or maybe they just like to "tease" us by playing with the price.

Come on - think about it. It's worldwide supply demand, and many complex issues drive the price. You think O'Reilly's sponsors have to pay more to advertise with him than on NBC? You better believe it - because it's about demand. Or is Bill price gouging for ad dollars?

Every con man knows you dont skin a mark if you want to keep bleeding him.

[harumph]

Originally Posted by NeoConRipper http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=60632861#post60632861)
He said that the people who were doing the polluting were White.

Where does he express hatred for ALL White people?


It depends on what the meaning of the word is, is.

He used the broadest brush he could find. That covered, basically, all white people.

[OKCatholic]

Every con man knows you dont skin a mark if you want to keep bleeding him.


Good grief, is that all you've got? :rolleyes:

[Thanatos144]

Good grief, is that all you've got? :rolleyes:

still the truth.