Not allowing kids to watch Obama's speech is a great barometer for partisanship

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.

[Mike88]

Hiring communists and giving them powerful positions in the government when you promised in your campaign that you were not a marxist is a great barometer for partisanship.

[ksdb]

Actually it's a great barometer for honesty. For some reason, Obama feels compelled to lie about his personal life in order to have crediblity with children, so it's a great reason not to have your kids listen to him or watch him.

[Bluesgtr44]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.

If you're not getting any of this yet....it's because you weren't paying attention the last 8 years. And longer than that really, it just started getting really ugly 8 years ago. Now, if you want to know just when we start to try and be big boys and girls about all of this? I'd say we could have started 8 years ago. I'll be damned if I'm going to make nice now....not even! I want 2 to 3 times what was done to the Bush administration to bury these people and their loser liberal agenda......again, the time to "come together" was 8 years ago.

[Haunted]

It's hard to teach children to not be partisan when the leader of the country is partisan himself.

Maybe he should set an example.

[chip]

My kids know where to find it if they are interested. My kids did actual schoolwork today, I dont see how that is partisan.

[misterblue]

If you're not getting any of this yet....it's because you weren't paying attention the last 8 years. And longer than that really, it just started getting really ugly 8 years ago. Now, if you want to know just when we start to try and be big boys and girls about all of this? I'd say we could have started 8 years ago. I'll be damned if I'm going to make nice now....not even! I want 2 to 3 times what was done to the Bush administration to bury these people and their loser liberal agenda......again, the time to "come together" was 8 years ago.


Right On

[misterblue]

If you're not getting any of this yet....it's because you weren't paying attention the last 8 years. And longer than that really, it just started getting really ugly 8 years ago. Now, if you want to know just when we start to try and be big boys and girls about all of this? I'd say we could have started 8 years ago. I'll be damned if I'm going to make nice now....not even! I want 2 to 3 times what was done to the Bush administration to bury these people and their loser liberal agenda......again, the time to "come together" was 8 years ago.


It a time for Democrats to attact our leader when were at war.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

If you're not getting any of this yet....it's because you weren't paying attention the last 8 years. And longer than that really, it just started getting really ugly 8 years ago. Now, if you want to know just when we start to try and be big boys and girls about all of this? I'd say we could have started 8 years ago. I'll be damned if I'm going to make nice now....not even! I want 2 to 3 times what was done to the Bush administration to bury these people and their loser liberal agenda......again, the time to "come together" was 8 years ago.

You couldn't have proven my point any better if you tried. And I agree the left was ultra partisan towards Bush. And I understand that you're paying them back. That's my point.

[cj234]

It's hard to teach children to not be partisan when the leader of the country is partisan himself.

Maybe he should set an example.

Seems like most just don't get it!!!

Their way or NO way!!!!

They are the most "intolerant" of all the "tolerant" people there is!!!

[rhet 2]

As Patrick Henry told the First Congress, when the issue is accepting and submitting to slavery vs. the risk of being socially rude Partisans opposed to slavery and moral filth, BE A PARTISAN.

Because people who tolerate the moral filth and total social sewage of Ancient Rome aren't a tiny less guilty of the bloodshed than those who have made city streets and parks and public schools a life-threatening experience for our children. Complicit in allowing total savageries of the most brutal eras of the past, the NON PARTISAN is just as guilty of the rape-torture-death-destruction they tolerate as the Liberal Trash who've directly and openly advocated a return to pre-Modern brutal anti-civilization.

Time to stop appeasement of Liberal insanity and start Standing Up to the bullies and the thugs willing to exchange body fluids with mass murdering freaks in exchange for votes and cash for their garbage ******** lies on television.

Teach the kids to BE PARTISAN and PROUD OF IT -- because they've got to learn to Stand and Defend in their own turn.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Seems like most just don't get it!!!

Their way or NO way!!!!

They are the most "intolerant" of all the "tolerant" people there is!!!

That's the way partisans, on both sides, work. Their way or NO way. And today, you guys proved it.

[LJ14]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.


IMHO, we're waaaaayyyy past something as simple as parties. Democrat v. Republican? ...child's play. What we're talking about is Collectivism as opposed to Liberty. What we're talking about is whether we're going to maintain a free republic or become a fascist democratic oligarchy where power is held by the handful of people who can fool us the most and government controls all it surveys. There's not a whole lot of middle ground in that.

Personally, my teens were welcome to take or leave Obama's school speech. They're old enough and politically astute enough to recognize a bull patty when they see one. But yes, if they were younger I would most definitely have protected them from Uncle Barry's pep talk, because.... he's a fascist, a liar, and a hypocrite. And I wouldn't allow such a character to try to build a trust-relationship with my children. We're talking about someone that I, myself, don't trust.

So, this has been something that varies from parent to parent and that's as it SHOULD be. There needn't be uniformity on every issue in a free society. There needn't even be uniformity on an issue like this within a group of otherwise like-minded people, not even within political parties. Parenting is very personal.

But if you wanna talk Partisan on an issue that's politically contentious.... What's more partisan than the leader of the Democrat Party standing in front of the AFL/CIO on Labor Day and telling the BOLD-FACED LIE that there are no other plans for healthcare in Washington but his unconstitutional mess? Phaw! :sick:

You can't be both for and against the Constitution, Caught. At some point, you're going to have to decide where you stand on that. And so far, I've yet to hear ONE elected official tell us how this mess they're proposing for healthcare is constitutionally sound.

[Nashville]

It's hard to teach children to not be partisan when the leader of the country is partisan himself.

Maybe he should set an example.


You got that right.

[Nashville]

That's the way partisans, on both sides, work. Their way or NO way. And today, you guys proved it.


You do realize that no one needs a lecture from you or Obama? Don't you? Who do you think gives the slightest bit of crap if you think someone is partisan, or not?

[Dim Reefer]

You couldn't have proven my point any better if you tried. And I agree the left was ultra partisan towards Bush. And I understand that you're paying them back. That's my point.

Take your phony salty tears somewhere else lib... You made the bed now your big ass gets to sleep in it. =)

[rhet 2]

Take your phony salty tears somewhere else lib... You made the bed now your big ass gets to sleep in it. =)

:clap:

The Right to Life, Liberty, and Individualism half of our society can no longer afford to "tolerate" the Left Behind in Savagery ******** of the Killing is Good crowd.

The camel has no more back to give the Takers and Abusers for them to ride on in self-enriched glory and absolute socio-cultural dominance.

This ******** is so far past Democrat vs. Republican it's not even near funny.

We're down to barbaric savagery vs. civilization itself.

[cj234]

That's the way partisans, on both sides, work. Their way or NO way. And today, you guys proved it.


Sorry, but I didn't prove anything. People had a choice!!!
Plain and simple! It was the parents that had a choose, not the government!!

[ValricoKate]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.

I sent my kids to school and I too was using it as a barometer.
Our district was allowing the individual teachers to decide whether or not they were going to show it.

Neither of my kids were shown the speech ...it would have interfered w/ their recess.

I was using the showing or not showing of the speech as a barometer of the laziness of the teacher ...we all know it is much easier to turn on the TV than to actually teach or monitor the playground.

I'm happy to say that my instincts were correct and neither of my kid's teachers are lazy.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Take your phony salty tears somewhere else lib... You made the bed now your big ass gets to sleep in it. =)

Seems I struck a nerve.

Let's see, I voted for Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II (the first time). I'm as fiscally conservative as they come. Yes, I must be a lib. But please keep attacking me, it helps me prove my point.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

I sent my kids to school and I too was using it as a barometer.
Our district was allowing the individual teachers to decide whether or not they were going to show it.

Neither of my kids were shown the speech ...it would have interfered w/ their recess.

I was using the showing or not showing of the speech as a barometer of the laziness of the teacher ...we all know it is much easier to turn on the TV than to actually teach or monitor the playground.

I'm happy to say that my instincts were correct and neither of my kid's teachers are lazy.

When Sarah is President and makes her speech to the kids, maybe they'll be in recess too.

[55SFSDefender]

Seems I struck a nerve.

Let's see, I voted for Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II (the first time). I'm as fiscally conservative as they come. Yes, I must be a lib. But please keep attacking me, it helps me prove my point.

You must not have gotten the memo, if your not a partisan your a spineless wimp without any core convictions. I'm an independent and I agree with your OP.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

After seeing this speech while I was waiting to have some blood work done, I've come to the conclusion that you have all gone completely insane with partisanship. It was as innocuous as it gets.

[ValricoKate]

When Sarah is President and makes her speech to the kids, maybe they'll be in recess too.

Maybe :shrugs:
...no skin off my nose.

Kids aren't there to hear some politician yammer on.
They are there to be in school or playing w/ friends at recess ...its what childhood is for.

[chip]

After seeing this speech while I was waiting to have some blood work done, I've come to the conclusion that you have all gone completely insane with partisanship. It was as innocuous as it gets.


Mighty large brush Tommy.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

You must not have gotten the memo, if your not a partisan your a spineless wimp without any core convictions. I'm an independent and I agree with your OP.

Yeah, I get that all the time. It's almost a badge of honor now.

[SchwartzOne]

As Patrick Henry told the First Congress, when the issue is accepting and submitting to slavery vs. the risk of being socially rude Partisans opposed to slavery and moral filth, BE A PARTISAN.

Because people who tolerate the moral filth and total social sewage of Ancient Rome aren't a tiny less guilty of the bloodshed than those who have made city streets and parks and public schools a life-threatening experience for our children. Complicit in allowing total savageries of the most brutal eras of the past, the NON PARTISAN is just as guilty of the rape-torture-death-destruction they tolerate as the Liberal Trash who've directly and openly advocated a return to pre-Modern brutal anti-civilization.

Time to stop appeasement of Liberal insanity and start Standing Up to the bullies and the thugs willing to exchange body fluids with mass murdering freaks in exchange for votes and cash for their garbage ******** lies on television.

Teach the kids to BE PARTISAN and PROUD OF IT -- because they've got to learn to Stand and Defend in their own turn.


Well said.
It is Good to be Partisan because there IS GOOD and there is Evil
There are absolutes.
Obama is Evil because he IS evil ...championing marxist communism ect...
That is NOT an opinion ...Communism is Evil.
I like what you say about Pro-Life too Rhet 2. Way to go
Again it wasn't so much as the speech he made to the little one's today it's what the celeberties said that bothered
Celeberties saying ' I pledge to turn the lights off and save electricity, [another celebertiy speaking says] 'I pledge to do my part to recycle more ... till it gets to the part where the celeberty('s) say ' I PLEDGE TO SERVE OBAMA'
Hail Obamisky First Primier of USSA !!!

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Maybe :shrugs:
...no skin off my nose.

Kids aren't there to hear some politician yammer on.
They are there to be in school or playing w/ friends at recess ...its what childhood is for.

Yeah, I bet that 20 minutes out of the school year is going to be hard to make up.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Mighty large brush Tommy.

Not by that much. Okay, we'll make it "most of you have gone insane with partisanship."

[Dr. Funkenstein]

If you're not getting any of this yet....it's because you weren't paying attention the last 8 years. And longer than that really, it just started getting really ugly 8 years ago. Now, if you want to know just when we start to try and be big boys and girls about all of this? I'd say we could have started 8 years ago. I'll be damned if I'm going to make nice now....not even! I want 2 to 3 times what was done to the Bush administration to bury these people and their loser liberal agenda......again, the time to "come together" was 8 years ago.
No one rational is asking conservatives to make nice.

Make adult would be acceptable.

[Iggy]

I don't know if my kid saw it or not. If he did I'm sure he paid no attention. If he paid attention, I hope he got something good out of it. I read the speech and saw nothing wrong with it, but even if it was laden with anti-American rhetoric and lies about the environment and health care, I have enough faith in his ability to see through the bs.

[rhet 2]

Seems I struck a nerve.

Let's see, I voted for Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II (the first time). I'm as fiscally conservative as they come. Yes, I must be a lib. But please keep attacking me, it helps me prove my point.

So, you'd support the immediate arrest, trial and execution of NAMBLA predators, right?

And the arrest and trial and execution of anyone who dares shove a scalpel in the skull of a living breathing newborn infant just because the savages on the Left don't give a **** about human life itself?

And you're in favor of the impeachment, trial, and imprisonment of Obama and Pelosi for treason against the Constitution, yes?

And you'd support the arrest, trial and execution of Greer for the murder-by-torture of a helpless stroke victim because she couldn't pass his minimum intelligence test to justify her own right to life, yes?

And you'd really like to see Sanctuary City government figures arrested, tried and sent to prison for violating federal immigration laws, yes?

And you'd agree that those city governments who refuse to send cops into inner city ghettos to destroy the drug gangs that prey on the poor slobs stuck in their violence should be immediately arrested, brought to trial, and sent to prison, too?

The Left either cleans up the sewage world of sexual predation and mass murdering, stealing, cheating, destroyers they've empowered, or the Left joins the Roman Caesars in oblivion -- because we CANNOT accept the further destruction of Law and Order and Common Human Decency those foul apes who'll support any form of human butchery that looks like it will get them the votes they need to continue sucking the federal treasury beyond dry so they can live in luxury, in palaces they don't earn, eating 100 dollar steaks they don't pay for, guarded by armed security forces bought and paid for with money that should be spent on schools and safe bridges and cops to stop the roving beasts of prey.

[mobiusptc]

After seeing this speech while I was waiting to have some blood work done, I've come to the conclusion that you have all gone completely insane with partisanship. It was as innocuous as it gets.

did you have the liberal approved noise canceling earplugs as to stop the sublimnal brainwashing that was going on? if not then when the sekrit code phrase is said you will just be another drone =P.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

You must not have gotten the memo, if your not a partisan your a spineless wimp without any core convictions. I'm an independent and I agree with your OP.
You got that memo too?

Just this morning, I found an independent crawling on my deck...killed it with some salt.

[Bluesgtr44]

After seeing this speech while I was waiting to have some blood work done, I've come to the conclusion that you have all gone completely insane with partisanship. It was as innocuous as it gets.

Just now seeing the partisanship? Where the hell have you been for the last 20 yrs. It went up about ten fold 8 years ago. It more than doubled with Clinton.....we could not be too much further apart as a country right now. Micro managing just isn't panning out....now is it?

[toreyj01]

Well this is a tempest in a teapot and quite frankly, given the availability of the speech beforehand for screening, anyone that took their kids out of school, on probably their first day, is blatantly and blindly partisan.

Whats sad, to me, is involving your kids in your inability to separate political difference from innocuous speeches. Were you worried they might like him? Were you worried your child might turn out like "them"?

From a personal perspective, I just feel bad for the kids that were pulled out. They are too young to have to be thrown in the middle of this nonsense and I have a feeling its not going to be the last time either.

[55SFSDefender]

You got that memo too?

Just this morning, I found an independent crawling on my deck...killed it with some salt.


Nooooooooo....He could of been a contendah!

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

So, you'd support the immediate arrest, trial and execution of NAMBLA predators, right?

And the arrest and trial and execution of anyone who dares shove a scalpel in the skull of a living breathing newborn infant just because the savages on the Left don't give a **** about human life itself?

And you're in favor of the impeachment, trial, and imprisonment of Obama and Pelosi for treason against the Constitution, yes?

And you'd support the arrest, trial and execution of Greer for the murder-by-torture of a helpless stroke victim because she couldn't pass his minimum intelligence test to justify her own right to life, yes?

And you'd really like to see Sanctuary City government figures arrested, tried and sent to prison for violating federal immigration laws, yes?

And you'd agree that those city governments who refuse to send cops into inner city ghettos to destroy the drug gangs that prey on the poor slobs stuck in their violence should be immediately arrested, brought to trial, and sent to prison, too?

The Left either cleans up the sewage world of sexual predation and mass murdering, stealing, cheating, destroyers they've empowered, or the Left joins the Roman Caesars in oblivion -- because we CANNOT accept the further destruction of Law and Order and Common Human Decency those foul apes who'll support any form of human butchery that looks like it will get them the votes they need to continue sucking the federal treasury beyond dry so they can live in luxury, in palaces they don't earn, eating 100 dollar steaks they don't pay for, guarded by armed security forces bought and paid for with money that should be spent on schools and safe bridges and cops to stop the roving beasts of prey.

I might respond to some of your posts if they weren't always so angry. No fun talking to someone who's barking at me.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

So, you'd support the immediate arrest, trial and execution of NAMBLA predators, right?

If they've been caught, absolutely.

And the arrest and trial and execution of anyone who dares shove a scalpel in the skull of a living breathing newborn infant just because the savages on the Left don't give a **** about human life itself?

Until they break the law, nope.

And you're in favor of the impeachment, trial, and imprisonment of Obama and Pelosi for treason against the Constitution, yes?

Holy ****

And you'd support the arrest, trial and execution of Greer for the murder-by-torture of a helpless stroke victim because she couldn't pass his minimum intelligence test to justify her own right to life, yes?

see above

And you'd really like to see Sanctuary City government figures arrested, tried and sent to prison for violating federal immigration laws, yes?

Sure

And you'd agree that those city governments who refuse to send cops into inner city ghettos to destroy the drug gangs that prey on the poor slobs stuck in their violence should be immediately arrested, brought to trial, and sent to prison, too?

I don't know about arrested, but at least voted out of office.

The Left either cleans up the sewage world of sexual predation and mass murdering, stealing, cheating, destroyers they've empowered, or the Left joins the Roman Caesars in oblivion -- because we CANNOT accept the further destruction of Law and Order and Common Human Decency those foul apes who'll support any form of human butchery that looks like it will get them the votes they need to continue sucking the federal treasury beyond dry so they can live in luxury, in palaces they don't earn, eating 100 dollar steaks they don't pay for, guarded by armed security forces bought and paid for with money that should be spent on schools and safe bridges and cops to stop the roving beasts of prey.

Exactly...because the right has done such a ****ing bang-up job of THAT. Give me a damn break, rhet. You know as well as I do that money drives the machine, and money will grease any wheel regardless of its political inclination. Guess what? It doesn't PAY for politicians to get rid of crime! Because if there's no crime, and nothing's wrong...then whoever's in power then will stay in power FOREVER!!!

But I tell you what...when you get your way, and theocracy and your version of the "conservative way" get implemented, let me know in advance so I can get the **** out of here.

I prefer a country that values the liberty of all of its citizens, not just those who are bound to a Christian morality that I have absolutely no say in.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Nooooooooo....He could of been a contendah!
Is it wrong that I enjoyed watching the little bastard shrivel up and die?

Or that I yelled "go ahead...vote for Obama now, bitch!"

I'm just curious...

[ValricoKate]

Yeah, I bet that 20 minutes out of the school year is going to be hard to make up.

Maybe the kids to whom it appeared the speech was addressed (the underachievers and those who don't know how to wash their hands) would have that problem ...mine wouldn't.

But I don't have to worry about it at any rate.
In this particular instance it was a non issue.

And I did send my children to school this am w/o knowing whether or not the teachers were going to show it. If it had been shown the Official Parental Response would have been given if after reviewing the whole speech if I deemed such an Official Parental Response was needed.

But I don't have to do a thing about it.
My girl played jump rope and my boy played tag ...I guess you could say that they were busy w/ President Kennedy's goals. [remember - go you chicken fat, go?]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af2j59zzX3Q&feature=related

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I might respond to some of your posts if they weren't always so angry. No fun talking to someone who's barking at me.
Seriously...

[ksdb]

Yeah, I bet that 20 minutes out of the school year is going to be hard to make up.

20 minutes?? I thought Obama was telling kids not to be quitters or else they were quitting on their nation. That sounds like more than a 20 minute obligation.

[SchwartzOne]

I might respond to some of your posts if they weren't always so angry. No fun talking to someone who's barking at me.

This is barking? Those words were not written in caps! Just a lot of the truth.
We are ignoring our biggest silent minority out there. The unborn
A lot of moral truths in ignoring them go along with this.

[Bluesgtr44]

Well this is a tempest in a teapot and quite frankly, given the availability of the speech beforehand for screening, anyone that took their kids out of school, on probably their first day, is blatantly and blindly partisan.

Whats sad, to me, is involving your kids in your inability to separate political difference from innocuous speeches. Were you worried they might like him? Were you worried your child might turn out like "them"?

From a personal perspective, I just feel bad for the kids that were pulled out. They are too young to have to be thrown in the middle of this nonsense and I have a feeling its not going to be the last time either.

Oh please stop this crap, people. Don't tell me we haven't seen this coming! The last 8 yrs. were a horrible display of political innocuousness........stop the crap! Clinton had 8 yrs. of a hard time and it just ratcheted up from there. Now, it's become very intense because both sides want things to move their way.....not the other way. So, the previous administration was throttled, lambasted and pounded every day for 8 yrs. so be big boys and girls and just take it as you dished it out.

The time to stop this was 8 yrs. ago.....sure, everyone wants to start fresh when their team is holding the cards......good luck with that one!

[LJ14]

Well this is a tempest in a teapot and quite frankly, given the availability of the speech beforehand for screening, anyone that took their kids out of school, on probably their first day, is blatantly and blindly partisan.

Whats sad, to me, is involving your kids in your inability to separate political difference from innocuous speeches. Were you worried they might like him? Were you worried your child might turn out like "them"?

From a personal perspective, I just feel bad for the kids that were pulled out. They are too young to have to be thrown in the middle of this nonsense and I have a feeling its not going to be the last time either.

A lying con-artist is a lying con-artist. YOU might give him twenty minutes to playact the role of Deeply-Concerned-Uncle-Barry with YOUR kid, (all the while he's fleecing the next three generation to pay for his massive debt)... and that's your choice. But it hardly qualifies you to be the judge of other parents who wouldn't.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Oh please stop this crap, people. Don't tell me we haven't seen this coming! The last 8 yrs. were a horrible display of political innocuousness........stop the crap! Clinton had 8 yrs. of a hard time and it just ratcheted up from there. Now, it's become very intense because both sides want things to move their way.....not the other way. So, the previous administration was throttled, lambasted and pounded every day for 8 yrs. so be big boys and girls and just take it as you dished it out.

The time to stop this was 8 yrs. ago.....sure, everyone wants to start fresh when their team is holding the cards......good luck with that one!

I don't think anyone thinks it's going to get better. Most of us realize that it's going to get 10 times worse for Obama and 20 times worse for Sarah. It's how the parties keep the partisans in line. I just won't be used. I know that most of the politicians and tactics are slimy. But you guys have at it. The partisan stuff served our country so well during Clinton, Bush and Obama.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

A lying con-artist is a lying con-artist. YOU might give him twenty minutes to playact the role of Deeply-Concerned-Uncle-Barry with YOUR kid, (all the while he's fleecing the next three generation to pay for his massive debt)... and that's your choice. But it hardly qualifies you to be the judge of other parents who wouldn't.

I guess this graph kinda makes you feel silly...
http://www.trinity.edu/rjensen/DebtGraph01.jpg

[rhet 2]

I might respond to some of your posts if they weren't always so angry. No fun talking to someone who's barking at me.

The wise man listens when the dog warns him about the thieves, rapists and murderers in his house.

And, as far as Christianity and the worship of the Christian God goes, you can worship whatever you please.

But you'll damned well stop fostering rape, torture, murder, thievery, lying and treachery in order to oppose Christian religious beliefs.

This isn't about Christian vs. Atheist, any more than it's about Democrat vs. Republican.

We down to Ancient Brutal Savagery vs. Civilization itself.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

And, as far as Christianity and the worship of the Christian God goes, you can worship whatever you please.

But you'll damned well stop fostering rape, torture, murder, thievery, lying and treachery in order to oppose Christian religious beliefs.

This isn't about Christian vs. Atheist, any more than it's about Democrat vs. Republican.

We down to Ancient Brutal Savagery vs. Civilization itself.

Dude, I don't know who you're talking to, but it ain't me.

[GregMartin]

yeah, so?


You really think banning our children from saying his filthy curse word name or listening to his filthy lying scum marxist dirtbag speech is all that partisan?

Not partisan, really. just decent.

[betwixt]

Middle,
Not much different than when they(parents) went to the polls and did/didnot vote for him because he's black/Democrat/liberal.
Are you really surprised?

[ValricoKate]

I guess this graph kinda makes you feel silly...
http://www.trinity.edu/rjensen/DebtGraph01.jpg

This one kind of make me do something else

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[zantax]

Well this is a tempest in a teapot and quite frankly, given the availability of the speech beforehand for screening, anyone that took their kids out of school, on probably their first day, is blatantly and blindly partisan.

Whats sad, to me, is involving your kids in your inability to separate political difference from innocuous speeches. Were you worried they might like him? Were you worried your child might turn out like "them"?

From a personal perspective, I just feel bad for the kids that were pulled out. They are too young to have to be thrown in the middle of this nonsense and I have a feeling its not going to be the last time either.

When was this speech made available again? Because I know I didn't see it until today.

[ValricoKate]

But this is more apples to apples:

http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/usgs_line.php?title=Gross%20Public%20Debt&year=1950_2010&sname=US&units=b&bar=0&stack=1&size=m&col=c&spending0=257.36_255.22_259.11_266.07_271.26_274.3 7_272.75_270.53_276.34_284.71_286.33_288.97_298.20 _305.86_311.71_317.27_319.91_326.22_347.58_353.72_ 370.92_398.13_427.26_458.14_475.06_533.19_620.43_6 98.84_771.54_826.52_907.70_997.86_1142.03_1377.21_ 1572.27_1823.10_2125.30_2350.28_2602.34_2857.43_32 33.31_3665.30_4064.62_4411.49_4692.75_4973.98_5224 .81_5413.15_5526.19_5656.27_5674.18_5807.46_6228.2 4_6783.23_7379.05_7932.71_8506.97_9007.65_9985.76_ 12867.50_14456.30&legend=

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[LJ14]

I guess this graph kinda makes you feel silly...
http://www.trinity.edu/rjensen/DebtGraph01.jpg

And why would that be? Are you so invested in your Everybody's a Partisan Theory that you missed Iggy's thread on Obama wanting to raise the debt ceiling to 12.1 trillion?

Here it is:
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1631421
Note Obama's floor speech from 2006 where he tells us that... “Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren,” Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.”


But you know where your Everybody's a Partisan Theory goes down in flames? ...on G.W. Bush's 22% approval rating at the end of his term. If EVERYBODY's just a "partisan", how come he lost almost half of Republicans? Where were all the conservatives carrying his water on the issue of national debt when all he could scrape up was a measly 22% of Americans?

[Nashville]

Middle,
Not much different than when they(parents) went to the polls and did/not vote for him because he's black/Democrat/liberal.
Are you really surprised?

Now, that's a funny one.

So you're saying those that did vote for him for any of those reasons are not partisan?

[victwells]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.
Obama does not have AMERICAN values.He wants the US to be a socialist country. He has said the country is NOT a Christian country. He has robbed the treasury to give to the unions. He got his job with voter fraud with acorn!!!!! HE IS A SCUMBAG!!!!!! I will NEVER want ANYONE like him to be any sort of influence on ANYONE much less schoolchildren!!!!!

[Dim Reefer]

As Patrick Henry told the First Congress, when the issue is accepting and submitting to slavery vs. the risk of being socially rude Partisans opposed to slavery and moral filth, BE A PARTISAN.

Because people who tolerate the moral filth and total social sewage of Ancient Rome aren't a tiny less guilty of the bloodshed than those who have made city streets and parks and public schools a life-threatening experience for our children. Complicit in allowing total savageries of the most brutal eras of the past, the NON PARTISAN is just as guilty of the rape-torture-death-destruction they tolerate as the Liberal Trash who've directly and openly advocated a return to pre-Modern brutal anti-civilization.

Time to stop appeasement of Liberal insanity and start Standing Up to the bullies and the thugs willing to exchange body fluids with mass murdering freaks in exchange for votes and cash for their garbage ******** lies on television.

Teach the kids to BE PARTISAN and PROUD OF IT -- because they've got to learn to Stand and Defend in their own turn.

A **** men

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

And why would that be? Are you so invested in your Everybody's a Partisan Theory that you missed Iggy's thread on Obama wanting to raise the debt ceiling to 12.1 trillion?

Here it is:
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1631421
Note Obama's floor speech from 2006 where he tells us that... “Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren,” Obama said in a 2006 floor speech that preceded a Senate vote to extend the debt limit. “America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.”


But you know where your Everybody's a Partisan Theory goes down in flames? ...on G.W. Bush's 22% approval rating at the end of his term. If EVERYBODY's just a "partisan", how come he lost almost half of Republicans? Where were all the conservatives carrying his water on the issue of national debt when all he could scrape up was a measly 22% of Americans?

Obama's fiscal policy sucks and I hate it.

[rhet 2]

Dude, I don't know who you're talking to, but it ain't me.

How many millions that could have been used to supply laptops and new shoes for school kids did this political campaign ad cost, again?

If the Left expects "tolerance," then they'll start cleaning up the socio-economic catastrophes they've created so that honest citizens can take the bars and high security protections off their homes and let their kids play outside without armed parents to guard them.

Life in Liberal World isn't fit for rabid dogs to live in -- because Liberals spend money like wasted carbon dioxide spewing from their mouths in order to promote their own political careers -- while the innocent and helpless get ****ed by the brutal monsters Liberals empower in trade for the political supremacy they crave.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

HE IS A SCUMBAG!!!!!! I will NEVER want ANYONE like him to be any sort of influence on ANYONE much less schoolchildren!!!!!

I stand corrected. Maybe you guys aren't partisan.

[rhet 2]

Obama's fiscal policy sucks and I hate it.

Then why are you espousing TOLERANCE for that garbage and those who have shoved the socialist destructionism down our throats?

There's only one way to stop the destruction, and that's to STAND AGAINST IT and shout the rage until even the arrogant Swine Lords are forced to hear the rage they themselves have caused.

[Dim Reefer]

Obama's fiscal policy sucks and I hate it.

Yaa.... that's the ticket

[Election Watcher]

When was this speech made available again? Because I know I didn't see it until today.

Yesterday, around 3:00pm.

[betwixt]

Now, that's a funny one.

So you're saying those that did vote for him for any of those reasons are not partisan?

No, that they are partisan for those reasons of voting..

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

How many millions that could have been used to supply laptops and new shoes for school kids did this political campaign ad cost, again?

If the Left expects "tolerance," then they'll start cleaning up the socio-economic catastrophes they've created so that honest citizens can take the bars and high security protections off their homes and let their kids play outside without armed parents to guard them.

Life in Liberal World isn't fit for rabid dogs to live in -- because Liberals spend money like wasted carbon dioxide spewing from their mouths in order to promote their own political careers -- while the innocent and helpless get ****ed by the brutal monsters Liberals empower in trade for the political supremacy they crave.

I take it back, you're not angry.

[rhet 2]

I stand corrected. Maybe you guys aren't partisan.

Now you've got to add insult to injury?

Hell, we keep telling you, WE ARE PARTISAN -- and damned proud of it.

And, yes, we ARE angry........... damned angry ............. more furious with this garbage in DC than I've ever been about anything ever.

Even the hellish brutality of the Spanish Conquerors and the ancient Muslim Monsters in India was not so disgusting and infuriating as the Liberal Lords of Barbarianism. Hell, the cannibals in Moai were not so cruel and viciously oppressive and destructive as the Thugs of Democrat Communism. The Aztecs with their human sacrifices to their nature gods were not as barbaric and as destructive as these monsters in Congress and this sickening herd of predators in Obama's "administration."

And the sooner the Left realizes just how ****ed off a huge and growing number of American citizens are, the sooner they MIGHT stop pouring gasoline on the flames of total fury building all around the Liberal arrogant fools.

[victwells]

I stand corrected. Maybe you guys aren't partisan.
The deplorable election riddled with fraud is how obama got his job.The message that democrats sent to the American public about women , i ñll never forget. Now demwits want to pretend obama is respectable, he´s not !!!!!! You can try to get respectability for this thug but that will never happen!!!! Demwits want to enjoy their tainted ill gotten gains, well go on but not with the rest of us. Despicable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Then why are you espousing TOLERANCE for that garbage and those who have shoved the socialist destructionism down our throats?

There's only one way to stop the destruction, and that's to STAND AGAINST IT and shout the rage until even the arrogant Swine Lords are forced to hear the rage they themselves have caused.

Dude, you sure you're in the right thread? I think the "Obama is a Communist Pig" thread is down the hall. Or maybe you don't like the OP since it shines a light that you don't want to see.

But I do like it when threads are hijacked. It's actually entertaining to watch.

[victwells]

I take it back, you're not angry.
Demwits seem to think Americans have no reason to be mad, You´ll find out in nov 2010 just like the last time demwits tried this crap on America, maybe this time you´ll be out of power for twenty years instead of twelve!!!!!!! Losers!!!

[toreyj01]

A lying con-artist is a lying con-artist. YOU might give him twenty minutes to playact the role of Deeply-Concerned-Uncle-Barry with YOUR kid, (all the while he's fleecing the next three generation to pay for his massive debt)... and that's your choice. But it hardly qualifies you to be the judge of other parents who wouldn't.

Case in point...

[Nashville]

No, that they are partisan for those reasons of voting..


How would you possibly know what their reasons were unless they told you?

[toreyj01]

oh please stop this crap, people. Don't tell me we haven't seen this coming! The last 8 yrs. Were a horrible display of political innocuousness........stop the crap! Clinton had 8 yrs. Of a hard time and it just ratcheted up from there. Now, it's become very intense because both sides want things to move their way.....not the other way. So, the previous administration was throttled, lambasted and pounded every day for 8 yrs. So be big boys and girls and just take it as you dished it out.

The time to stop this was 8 yrs. Ago.....sure, everyone wants to start fresh when their team is holding the cards......good luck with that one!
Booooossshhhhhh!

[Bluesgtr44]

I don't think anyone thinks it's going to get better. Most of us realize that it's going to get 10 times worse for Obama and 20 times worse for Sarah. It's how the parties keep the partisans in line. I just won't be used. I know that most of the politicians and tactics are slimy. But you guys have at it. The partisan stuff served our country so well during Clinton, Bush and Obama.

I would love to have the debate....not the screeching. Our pathetic concept of journalism has every reason ($) not to have the debate. They are sucking this up! I've mentioned this before and it just makes sense. If journalist's and the media were really serving as the "providers of information", there would be no Limbaugh, Hannity or Beck....not insulting them....just pointing out the obvious.

We need the debate and we need it to go fully to an end. We can only "agree to disagree" for so long until something has to give....we have to move. Please anyone point out where "gray" ever solved a thing....it will either be black or white. Can we not see that now. This administration is going to try and do what the dems stopped Bush from doing and that is to change a bunch of policy. It's going to happen one way or the other.....I'd prefer we take these issues to the people in the form of long established debate proceedings. But, I just don't think that will happen....

[zantax]

Yesterday, around 3:00pm.


On a holiday, the day before he gave it, lots of lead time for busy parents to read it I see.

[ddye]

Because people who tolerate the moral filth...
Talking about "moral filth" gets me hot!

Doug

[betwixt]

Dude, you sure you're in the right thread? I think the "Obama is a Communist Pig" thread is down the hall. Or maybe you don't like the OP since it shines a light that you don't want to see.

But I do like it when threads are hijacked. It's actually entertaining to watch.

There is no "middle" wether you con or lib is all that matters. The mind set is "if your not for us your against us" is true to both party's.

Sorry, you need to get use to it.

[victwells]

Dude, you sure you're in the right thread? I think the "Obama is a Communist Pig" thread is down the hall. Or maybe you don't like the OP since it shines a light that you don't want to see.

But I do like it when threads are hijacked. It's actually entertaining to watch.
oooops your hypocrisy is showing. All last year we heard namecalling from Demwits!!! Calling obama a communist is nothing short of the truth!!!!

[victwells]

Talking about "moral filth" gets me hot.

Doug
ok i did laugh at that ,good one!

[toreyj01]

yeah, so?


You really think banning our children from saying his filthy curse word name or listening to his filthy lying scum marxist dirtbag speech is all that partisan?

Not partisan, really. just decent.

Your middle sentence has to be one of the funniest I have ever read.

:dance::hug::lol:

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

There is no "middle" wether you con or lib is all that matters. The mind set is "if your not for us your against us" is true to both party's.

Sorry, you need to get use to it.

Yeah, I realized that 15 or 20 years ago.

[betwixt]

How would you possibly know what their reasons were unless they told you?

I edited my first post.

[betwixt]

Yeah, I realized that 15 or 20 years ago.

Then your doing better than me, I am just coming to that conclusion :think:

[victwells]

Your middle sentence has to be one of the funniest I have ever read.

:dance::hug::lol:
the op has already used the ´´oh you´re so funny stik´´ you need some new material!!!

[toreyj01]

The deplorable election riddled with fraud is how obama got his job.The message that democrats sent to the American public about women , i ñll never forget. Now demwits want to pretend obama is respectable, he´s not !!!!!! You can try to get respectability for this thug but that will never happen!!!! Demwits want to enjoy their tainted ill gotten gains, well go on but not with the rest of us. Despicable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, tell us how you REALLY feel.....

:hug::hug::hug:

[Election Watcher]

Oh please stop this crap, people. Don't tell me we haven't seen this coming! The last 8 yrs. were a horrible display of political innocuousness........stop the crap! Clinton had 8 yrs. of a hard time and it just ratcheted up from there. Now, it's become very intense because both sides want things to move their way.....not the other way. So, the previous administration was throttled, lambasted and pounded every day for 8 yrs. so be big boys and girls and just take it as you dished it out.

The time to stop this was 8 yrs. ago.....sure, everyone wants to start fresh when their team is holding the cards......good luck with that one!

The incredibly scary thought is that we're traveling down a road with no exit. You did to us, we did it to you, you did it to us, and we'll do it to you. Its just so ****ing stupid.
No wonder our political leaders can do whatever they like. We can't come together in any way to stop them. I've watched this now for nearly a year.

And if this signals my end, so be it. Both sides of this argument are all so full of ****, in how they are fighting I am astounded that anything resembling common sense is ever displyed.

And THIS is the message we want to pass on to our children? G-d help them.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

the op has already used the ´´oh you´re so funny stik´´ you need some new material!!!

dang, i didn't even realize i did that. i must be funnier than i thought.

[Bluesgtr44]

Obama's fiscal policy sucks and I hate it.

Thank you....had me scared there for a bit. I think his social policies suck, too.....but that's just me not wanting to pander to the "sex, drugs and rock and roll" ambitions of the younger generations....yeah, I fell for it but I woke up out of it pretty early in life. I saw that my Dad was right....I was wrong. I admit I would go to NOW rallies to pick up chicks....yep!

[victwells]

No, tell us how you REALLY feel.....

:hug::hug::hug:
how do i really feel?? Cant wait till the elections, i remember in what was it 94 when the demwits lost the house and senate!!!!hahaha The lefty announcers were almost crying on air, it was hilarious and we will see that again,there were no big talking demwits that night and there wont be on these elections either , just demwit tears, again!!!! Yea keep mocking Americans and thumbing your noses at the country!!!!

[victwells]

dang, i didn't even realize i did that. i must be funnier than i thought.
i´ll look for ya election night on the boards here , you´ll be even funnier then i bet!!! :)

[Bluesgtr44]

Booooossshhhhhh!


LMAO......what an inheritance.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

how do i really feel?? Cant wait till the elections, i remember in what was it 94 when the demwits lost the house and senate!!!!hahaha The lefty announcers were almost crying on air, it was hilarious and we will see that again,there were no big talking demwits that night and there wont be on these elections either , just demwit tears, again!!!! Yea keep mocking Americans and thumbing your noses at the country!!!!

oh, the D's will be voted out sooner or later. and then the R's. and then the D's. and then the R's.

Rinse, wash, repeat.

[LJ14]

Obama's fiscal policy sucks and I hate it.

Does that make YOU a partisan then? Or is it possible that there are things you simply reject because in your opinion they're WRONG? :eh:

And if it IS possible that you sometimes reject a political position because you think it's just wrong... maybe it's possible that other people do too.... (????)
.... things like unconstitutional legislation, lying, ramming through legislation that hasn't been read or understood, laying mountains of debt on our kids all while smiling in their little faces and acting like their FRIEND.. and the list goes on.

[Nashville]

I edited my first post.


O.K. Some may or may not vote soley for those reasons.

Many people vote depending on the candidate's views on the issues, how qualified they think the they are, the candidates experience, background (including associations), character, and how much they feel they can trust the candidiate to protect the country and to adhere to the constitution.

[victwells]

oh, the D's will be voted out sooner or later. and then the R's. and then the D's. and then the R's.

Rinse, wash, repeat.
the dems will be voted out sooner, real soon!!! Don't let the do hit you in the a__!!!!!

[nortman]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.

:boohoo:

Why don't I think that the Dems in Washington are all that interested in bipartisanship.

"Republicans are brain dead", Dr Howard Dean, chairman of the DNC.

Senator Reid says that Republicans are "puppets". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUiwAq248I YOUTUBE WARNING.............HARRY REID WARNING........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbgIIqCRrBA&feature=related Yeah, Harry has lots of respect for the RNC. I wonder what he'll be saying in a few months about President Obama if his numbers continue to trend the way that they are going................provided that Harry is still in office.


That's all I found in my 2 minute brief search. I can find more if I need to prove my point. But, I don't think it's necessary.

Dems are only interested in "bipartisanship" if it means that they get everything that they want.

[rhet 2]

Sorry, folks, but when the Dems reversed the ban on partial birth abortion to allow the continued slaughter of newborn LIVING BREATHING BABIES, they crossed a line between barbarity and civilized existence.

When they support NAMBLA and pay the ACLU to defend baby rapers with MY MONEY, they crossed the line still further.

When they helped murder-by-torture a helpless stroke victim, they crossed the line, too.

They've done everything in their power to aid and abet killers, rapists, thieves and destroyers so that our entire population lives at the mercy of chance encounters with killers instead of chance encounters with other decent and trustworthy honest citizens.

We cannot longer endure the irresponsible and coarse SCORN for the sanctity of human life that is the earmark of "modern liberalism." Too many helpless kids, like the Newark Four, have died because of liberal arrogance and liberal refusal to stop massive, growing crimes against humanity in every aspect of our lives.

They waste money on ******** buyouts of criminalized worthless fools like the AIG useless cruds -- and on frogs in San Francisco -- while human beings die from collapsing bridges -- and child rapist animals released from prison to find still another victim to feed on.

And they do so for their own PERSONAL WEALTH AND POWER.

Any politician or judge or public figure who sells public safety for the sake of their own sick psychotic need for political power deserves nothing but scorn.

[Bluesgtr44]

Yeah, I realized that 15 or 20 years ago.

It's going to continue to get ugly unless we stop the federal government. They are micro managing this country into the dirt. 50 states with 50 possible approaches to solutions and yet we have these idiots who just can't stop getting "drunk with power". I'm afraid too many states have crossed over to the dark side and would have a horrible time trying to stand on their own. But, I'd like to give that a try......if you don't like the politics in N.Y......move!

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Does that make YOU a partisan then? Or is it possible that there are things you simply reject because in your opinion they're WRONG? :eh:

And if it IS possible that you sometimes reject a political position because you think it's just wrong... maybe it's possible that other people do too.... (????)
.... things like unconstitutional legislation, lying, ramming through legislation that hasn't been read or understood, laying mountains of debt on our kids all while smiling in their little faces and acting like their FRIEND.. and the list goes on.

a partisan is someone who votes blindly for a party. i don't do that.

here's webster's definition...
"a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance"

[LJ14]

Case in point...

I have no idea what you're trying to say. You'll have to clarify if you're looking for discussion.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

the dems will be voted out sooner, real soon!!! Don't let the do hit you in the a__!!!!!

you could be right. or wrong. i have no idea. but the door won't be hitting my ass.

[victwells]

a partisan is someone who votes blindly for a party. i don't do that.

here's webster's definition...
"a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance"
oh i guess you were delighted to see this candidate, obama, socialist, racist, corrupt, so were these the things that drew you to obama rather than other democrats before?

[rhet 2]

a partisan is someone who votes blindly for a party. i don't do that.

here's webster's definition...
"a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance"

Guess what?

I AM a "firm adherent" -- not to a party, to a CAUSE -- the cause of the Right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Personally Defined Happiness.

You're mistake is in thinking of "partisanship" as merely a political party allegiance thing.

This partisanship is about the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and given legal force in the Constitution of the United States as written, not as **** on by Liberal humanity haters.

[Nashville]

:boohoo:

Why don't I think that the Dems in Washington are all that interested in bipartisanship.

"Republicans are brain dead", Dr Howard Dean, chairman of the DNC.

Senator Reid says that Republicans are "puppets". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUiwAq248I YOUTUBE WARNING.............HARRY REID WARNING........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbgIIqCRrBA&feature=related Yeah, Harry has lots of respect for the RNC. I wonder what he'll be saying in a few months about President Obama if his numbers continue to trend the way that they are going................provided that Harry is still in office.


That's all I found in my 2 minute brief search. I can find more if I need to prove my point. But, I don't think it's necessary.

Dems are only interested in "bipartisanship" if it means that they get everything that they want.

Exactly! And Obama himself is extremely partisan, which is exemplified by those he rails against or demonizes, i.e. about anyone with an opposing opinion, or who may a be convenient target at any given time. He leads as if he only represents approx. half the country.

[betwixt]

O.K. Some may or may not vote soley for those reasons.

Many people vote depending on the candidate's views on the issues, how qualified they think the they are, the candidates experience, background (including associations), character, and how much they feel they can trust the candidiate to protect the country and to adhere to the constitution.

Oh I did mean some. I agree some, even most, that vote how you stated above.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

oh i guess you were delighted to see this candidate, obama, socialist, racist, corrupt, so were these the things that drew you to obama rather than other democrats before?

actually, i like it when there is a D President and a R Congress (or vice versa). it scares me when one side has too much power (since i think they're both corrupt).

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Guess what?

I AM a "firm adherent" -- not to a party, to a CAUSE -- the cause of the Right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Personally Defined Happiness.

You're mistake is in thinking of "partisanship" as merely a political party allegiance thing.

This partisanship is about the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and given legal force in the Constitution of the United States as written, not as **** on by Liberal humanity haters.

You vote for McCain or a 3rd party candidate?

[victwells]

actually, i like it when there is a D President and a R Congress (or vice versa). it scares me when one side has too much power (since i think they're both corrupt).
But you didn´t answer my question, what outstanding characteristics of obama made you support him, ?? I mean the guy had no experience, was tied to terrorists,thugs,racists so what attracted you to him?

[BOOOOOOSHHHH]

CITM.You just do not get it do you.*shakes head*

Obama is the problem,not the "speech" (which by the way was moderate only AFTER he was grilled by most Americans).

Why does he have to have a thousand speeches by the way? A bit arrogant?

WHY WOULD parents let their kids listen to a speech when the "SO CALLED PRESIDENT" WILL NOT EVEN RELEASE HIS GRADES AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

[toreyj01]

Sorry, folks, but when the Dems reversed the ban on partial birth abortion to allow the continued slaughter of newborn LIVING BREATHING BABIES, they crossed a line between barbarity and civilized existence.

When they support NAMBLA and pay the ACLU to defend baby rapers with MY MONEY, they crossed the line still further.

When they helped murder-by-torture a helpless stroke victim, they crossed the line, too.

They've done everything in their power to aid and abet killers, rapists, thieves and destroyers so that our entire population lives at the mercy of chance encounters with killers instead of chance encounters with other decent and trustworthy honest citizens.

We cannot longer endure the irresponsible and coarse SCORN for the sanctity of human life that is the earmark of "modern liberalism." Too many helpless kids, like the Newark Four, have died because of liberal arrogance and liberal refusal to stop massive, growing crimes against humanity in every aspect of our lives.

They waste money on ******** buyouts of criminalized worthless fools like the AIG useless cruds -- and on frogs in San Francisco -- while human beings die from collapsing bridges -- and child rapist animals released from prison to find still another victim to feed on.

And they do so for their own PERSONAL WEALTH AND POWER.

Any politician or judge or public figure who sells public safety for the sake of their own sick psychotic need for political power deserves nothing but scorn.
What does any of that have to do with taking your kids out of school so they cannot hear a benign speech by their President?

You dont like whats going on>? Get involved, get better people elected, do what you have to do.

But leave your children out of it, let them just be kids.

[rhet 2]

You vote for McCain or a 3rd party candidate?

Neither

I voted against Barak Obama as the greatest threat of the entire bunch of weasels offered for our self-selected means of socio-cultural suicide.

And voted for Sarah Palin, despite her glaringly weak not-leader on the ticket. She has at least tried to clean out the political filth in both parties and promised to do the same to the DC sewers.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

But you didn´t answer my question, what outstanding characteristics of obama made you support him, ?? I mean the guy had no experience, was tied to terrorists,thugs,racists so what attracted you to him?

whose says i'm attracted to Obama? is that what you got from the OP? fiscally, i'm the tightest dude on the planet. although i do like his foreign policy better than Bush's.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

What does any of that have to do with taking your kids out of school so they cannot hear a benign speech by their President?

You dont like whats going on>? Get involved, get better people elected, do what you have to do.

But leave your children out of it, let them just be kids.

they're just hijacking my thread. it's fun to watch.

[victwells]

CITM.You just do not get it do you.*shakes head*

Obama is the problem,not the "speech" (which by the way was moderate only AFTER he was grilled by most Americans).

Why does he have to have a thousand speeches by the way? A bit arrogant?

WHY WOULD parents let their kids listen to a speech when the "SO CALLED PRESIDENT" WILL NOT EVEN RELEASE HIS GRADES AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
well said

[rhet 2]

What does any of that have to do with taking your kids out of school so they cannot hear a benign speech by their President?

You dont like whats going on>? Get involved, get better people elected, do what you have to do.

But leave your children out of it, let them just be kids.

That's just it: Obama "reached out to touch" the kids -- and I don't want any kids touched by that kind of corruption.

He's PERSONALLY anathema, because of his policies of death and destruction, not because of his skin color, because of a long history of supporting crime, right down to and including the slaughter of helpless LIVING babies.

And that IS involvement: calling a liar, a cheat, a thief, and a BABY KILLER what he really is -- and making damned sure as many people as I can talk to know exactly what kind of a social predator is currently in power.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

CITM.You just do not get it do you.*shakes head*

Obama is the problem,not the "speech" (which by the way was moderate only AFTER he was grilled by most Americans).

Why does he have to have a thousand speeches by the way? A bit arrogant?

WHY WOULD parents let their kids listen to a speech when the "SO CALLED PRESIDENT" WILL NOT EVEN RELEASE HIS GRADES AND BIRTH CERTIFICATE?

Yes, there are people who don't get it. They are so partisan they won't let their kids listen to "stay in school and work hard" speech by our elected President.

[victwells]

whose says i'm attracted to Obama? is that what you got from the OP? fiscally, i'm the tightest dude on the planet. although i do like his foreign policy better than Bush's.
you have said you are not partisan but you are here defending him so i have asked what it is about him that you like? You started a thread here today supporting obama, you then said you are not partisan so what is it about obama that attracted you?

[zantax]

What does any of that have to do with taking your kids out of school so they cannot hear a benign speech by their President?

You dont like whats going on>? Get involved, get better people elected, do what you have to do.

But leave your children out of it, let them just be kids.

Get this straight, my kids belong to me, I'm their parent, I decide how they are educated, what they can read, watch on television, what they can wear, what they can eat, all of it, and that means if I don't want them being held captive for political speeches that's in my power as well. Not that they wanted to be there, and not that their school was even showing it, but it's none of yours or any other liberals business if I had decided they weren't permitted to hear it.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

you have said you are not partisan but you are here defending him so i have asked what it is about him that you like? You started a thread here today supporting obama, you then said you are not partisan so what is it about obama that attracted you?

supporting Obama????

you need to go back and read the OP.

[LJ14]

a partisan is someone who votes blindly for a party. i don't do that.

here's webster's definition...
"a firm adherent to a party, faction, cause, or person; especially : one exhibiting blind, prejudiced, and unreasoning allegiance"

But you're VERY busy accusing others of doing just that when you have no way of knowing their voting history. I wouldn't have allowed my children to view Barack Obama's speech today if they were still very young and easily impressionable. He's NOT their friend. He's a guy who's spending them blind and seeking to limit their freedoms.

But on the other hand... I voted for Clinton once and my idiot Dem. senator twice among votes for other various and sundry Dems here and there over 30 years time. So... who am I then? :eh:
By your thesis, the school speech barometer... I MUST be a partisan and not someone who disagrees with the lies, subterfuge, and power-grabs we've seen thus far.


Frankly, it's not all that simple anymore, not as simple as Democrats v. Republicans. In fact, I think you'd be fairly hard-pressed to find a real, live "Democrat" among Obama's intimates. They self-identify as "Progressives" for the most part, which is just incremental fascism in my book, power to the State, bite by bite.

The Democrats are gone.

[victwells]

supporting Obama????

you need to go back and read the OP.
the thread you started supporting obama? Oh i think we can see who is partisan here, so you have always been a socialist?

[skprtod914]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.

I wouldn't want my kids to be inspired one bit by Obama, for whatever reason. As my mother said this morning, once he gets the kids listening to him, he can work on charming them on any policy issue.

As far as I'm concerned, if being loyal to one's ideology is partisanship, that's fine with me. I am not going to be false to my own beliefs in an attempt to be "above it all."

[Nevarwinter]

You know what this forum needs?

Another whining left-siding post from a person supposedly caught in the middle.

...ahhh there we go.

[snagswolf]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.
What you call partisanship, I call commitment to beliefs.

I can understand you not wanting to stand behind your wishy-washy middle-of-the-road opinions (too weak to even be called beliefs.)

[skprtod914]

You know what this forum needs?

Another whining left-siding post from a person supposedly caught in the middle.

...ahhh there we go.


I agree (thought I wouldn't say it in such strong terms).

[snagswolf]

You know what this forum needs?

Another whining left-siding post from a person supposedly caught in the middle.

...ahhh there we go.
That's a very good point.

Why does it seem like those who are supposedly 'in the middle' are always arguing against conservatives on here?

I've always maintained that you can claim to be anything, but it's who you always disagree with that defines your real political position.

[victwells]

You know what this forum needs?

Another whining left-siding post from a person supposedly caught in the middle.

...ahhh there we go.
I think you have that right!the op comes on calls people who do not support obam partisan,says he is not partisan, but cannot say why he supports obama, then says his thread that he started does not support obama, uh yea ok good luck with that!!!

[skprtod914]

supporting Obama????

you need to go back and read the OP.

Not to question your honesty, but where the OP of this thread is concerned, your statement about understanding the concern of conservative parents comes across as a token caveat, drowned out by the criticism of conservatives. Anyone reading your OP knows that the criticism of Obama, which you focused on attacking, comes from the right.

[LJ14]

Guess what?

I AM a "firm adherent" -- not to a party, to a CAUSE -- the cause of the Right to Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Personally Defined Happiness.

You're mistake is in thinking of "partisanship" as merely a political party allegiance thing.

This partisanship is about the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and given legal force in the Constitution of the United States as written, not as **** on by Liberal humanity haters.

Exactly. There' no "middle" when it comes to the principles of freedom and the guarantees of the Constitution.

[BOOOOOOSHHHH]

IT WAS THE SUGGESTED LESSON on how to help the PRESIDENT (D)/(MARXIST) achieve his "goals". That was the problem.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

IT WAS THE SUGGESTED LESSON on how to help the PRESIDENT (D)/(MARXIST) achieve his "goals". That was the problem.

I think I covered that in the OP.

[darknessesedge]

and the little lefties didnt utter 1 word in revolt when a gop prez did it....:rolleyes:

[DRS]

If you're not getting any of this yet....it's because you weren't paying attention the last 8 years. And longer than that really, it just started getting really ugly 8 years ago. Now, if you want to know just when we start to try and be big boys and girls about all of this? I'd say we could have started 8 years ago. I'll be damned if I'm going to make nice now....not even! I want 2 to 3 times what was done to the Bush administration to bury these people and their loser liberal agenda......again, the time to "come together" was 8 years ago.

Actually I would go back to the Clinton years the constant investigations costing millions plus accusations that the Clintons were involved in the deaths of people were pretty bad.

It was esculated un Bush then by the left.

And now the right is taking to an even higher level.

Kind of scary to see what comes next.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

and the little lefties didnt utter 1 word in revolt when a gop prez did it....:rolleyes:

of course they did. the little lefties did it then. the little righties do it now.

[BOOOOOOSHHHH]

GWB released his marks and BC...and was not surrounded by communists and racists.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Actually I would go back to the Clinton years the constant investigations costing millions plus accusations that the Clintons were involved in the deaths of people were pretty bad.

It was esculated un Bush then by the left.

And now the right is taking to an even higher level.

Kind of scary to see what comes next.

agreed


but i do have to admit that our founders designed a system that promotes debate and disagreement (which is how it should be). i used to think that people should sit down and discuss their differences until an agreement is reached. now, i'm just for them not killing each other. and i won't be surprised if one day we see them come to blows in DC.

[Vaard]

agreed


but i do have to admit that our founders designed a system that promotes debate and disagreement (which is how it should be). i used to think that people should sit down and discuss their differences until an agreement is reached. now, i'm just for them not killing each other. and i won't be surprised if one day we see them come to blows in DC.

maybe duels will be brought back like in the founders time......


make it pay per view.......

[darknessesedge]

of course they did. the little lefties did it then. the little righties do it now.

and hopefully it will still be a parents right to do have a say in what their kids see/hear.

[bigmac0017]

I recently had this argument with a friend over facebook who asked what all the uproar was about after he read the final product released by the WH. For the record, I have no problem with that final product as it is no different than what past Presidents have done in the past. And like Caught pointed out both sides do it. But there is a difference this time around and I feel it is important to note the difference as it has everything to do with the uproar. Also for the record, even if President Obama had used the original ideas w/lesson plans for his speech, I would have still allowed my children to view the speech if their school aired it. I won't shield my kids from everything (politics, religion, guns, etc) as I intend to be a part of their influences and explain what I believe is right or wrong. The decision to do the original lesson plans I would have left up to them after fully explaining what they could write about. Shielding your kids from this speech in general, is no different than banning prayer or the Pledge of Allegiance in school as far as I'm concerned. That said, I still had a problem with the original intention of the speech and I was disappointed in Obama for, in what I believe, was inserting politics into the mix. This form or politics has no place in school but I realize you cannot keep it from getting into the schools.

In the end, President Obama tried to insert something he shouldn't have through the Dept of Ed. He was called on it through the uproar and eventually conceded and removed the inappropriate material from the event. In that, I believe the American people spoke out and pressured the President to change his approach. This act by those American people should not be ridiculed or dismissed. The thing that really upsets me is the hypocrisy from the left as their own former Speaker of the House is on record for ranting about exactly what President Obama ended up doing in the end. If it was so wrong then (without the extra pieces which had to be removed), why is it not wrong for them today. See below...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/03/flashback-1991-gephardt-called-bushs-speech-students-paid-political-a

[KeithBlubberman]

Actually I would go back to the Clinton years the constant investigations costing millions plus accusations that the Clintons were involved in the deaths of people were pretty bad.

It was esculated un Bush then by the left.

And now the right is taking to an even higher level.

Kind of scary to see what comes next.

The left kicked it up to the highest notch a long time ago - digging in trash cans to torpedo Bork, partisan govt. employees investigating Joe the plumber, Dailykos, huff, Clarence Thomas character assassination, people investigating individuals who disagree with Obamacare, and the latest with keith overbite requesting people to give him dirt on Beck.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

The left kicked it up to the highest notch a long time ago - digging in trash cans to torpedo Bork, partisan govt. employees investigating Joe the plumber, Dailykos, huff, Clarence Thomas character assassination, people investigating individuals who disagree with Obamacare, and the latest with keith overbite requesting people to give him dirt on Beck.

i have a feeling some lib is gonna bring up some nasty examples of the right doing some bad stuff as well. and the beat goes on.

[Dem]

A 9 year olds response to Obamas speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBnApR7gI0

She liked it, and may have possibly been inspired.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

A 9 year olds response to Obamas speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBnApR7gI0

She liked it, and may have possibly been inspired.

That doesn't matter.

[ksdb]

A 9 year olds response to Obamas speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTBnApR7gI0

She liked it, and may have possibly been inspired.

Yeah, like, because Obama said like 20 years ago people like invented Twitter and MySpace.

[skprtod914]

I recently had this argument with a friend over facebook who asked what all the uproar was about after he read the final product released by the WH. For the record, I have no problem with that final product as it is no different than what past Presidents have done in the past. And like Caught pointed out both sides do it. But there is a difference this time around and I feel it is important to note the difference as it has everything to do with the uproar. Also for the record, even if President Obama had used the original ideas w/lesson plans for his speech, I would have still allowed my children to view the speech if their school aired it. I won't shield my kids from everything (politics, religion, guns, etc) as I intend to be a part of their influences and explain what I believe is right or wrong. The decision to do the original lesson plans I would have left up to them after fully explaining what they could write about. Shielding your kids from this speech in general, is no different than banning prayer or the Pledge of Allegiance in school as far as I'm concerned. That said, I still had a problem with the original intention of the speech and I was disappointed in Obama for, in what I believe, was inserting politics into the mix. This form or politics has no place in school but I realize you cannot keep it from getting into the schools.

In the end, President Obama tried to insert something he shouldn't have through the Dept of Ed. He was called on it through the uproar and eventually conceded and removed the inappropriate material from the event. In that, I believe the American people spoke out and pressured the President to change his approach. This act by those American people should not be ridiculed or dismissed. The thing that really upsets me is the hypocrisy from the left as their own former Speaker of the House is on record for ranting about exactly what President Obama ended up doing in the end. If it was so wrong then (without the extra pieces which had to be removed), why is it not wrong for them today. See below...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/03/flashback-1991-gephardt-called-bushs-speech-students-paid-political-a

Considering the political situation with health care, and the growing opposition to Obama, Obama's school speech is very strategically placed and clearly has a plan behind it. So you're right, this is unique.

[freedom fighter]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.

As a parent of a school age child I totally disagree with you.

I am suspicious of ANY adult stranger, President included, that comes to the schools to give my kid an UNSOLICITED 'pep talk'. Especially if they have the authority to over ride the wishes of the school board and parents.

That IS the issue!

[WildRose]

First, I can understand the reluctance of parents to let their kids listen to the Obama speech before we all knew what he would say. My wife and I felt exactly this way. And I can understand the concern about the lesson plans or books to be read. My wife and I are concerned about this as well. But if, after reading the speech online, you didn't let your kids listen to a speech that every single one of our Presidents would have made (except for maybe the iPhone part), then you are partisan. AND, if you had already decided to let your kids watch it, prior to knowing what would be said, you're just as partisan. That speech was as American as any speech could be. To me, both sets of hard-core partisans lost more credibility.I have no party affiliation, so by definition I can't be a partisan.

I objected to the DO Ed issued teaching guides.

I read the speech. I have no real objections to anything in it. If I had young children, I would certainly let them see it, but they would certainly let them know that my doing so would be in no way indicating approval of him as a man, as president or what he stands for and wants to do to this nation. At least he doesn't have the recent personal baggage that Clinton carried with him.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Does that make YOU a partisan then? Or is it possible that there are things you simply reject because in your opinion they're WRONG? :eh:

And if it IS possible that you sometimes reject a political position because you think it's just wrong... maybe it's possible that other people do too.... (????)
.... things like unconstitutional legislation, lying, ramming through legislation that hasn't been read or understood, laying mountains of debt on our kids all while smiling in their little faces and acting like their FRIEND.. and the list goes on.
Being critical of a political position is one thing. I get that and I don't have any problem with people being critical of Obama's position on fiscal policies (as I am) or even his social policies (which aren't great, but not as bad as his fiscal policies).

However, the partisanship is the namecalling. The ******** about how he's a Muslim sleeper-cell terrorist. The idiocy about going after him for every little thing he might deign to do in his daily business (smoking, going to NYC with his wife, asking for privacy on his vacation)...THAT'S the partisanship shining through. Hell...there are people bitching about Obama declaring last weekend "National Days of Prayer and Rememberance" in honor of the victims of 9/11 (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1630021), as though it was the worst possible thing a president could ever have done to this country. Of course...when it was pointed out that Bush had done the same thing for the last five years, it was initially ignored because, well, um, it was "different" when Bush did it.

It was exactly the same thing with Bush...all the cracks about how dumb he was because he'd say things like "misunderestimate", or the time he'd spend in Crawford (like he couldn't be reached...and in the interest of full disclosure, I did fall into that for a while during his first term before I grew up), or looking for any little thing to nail to his forehead, whether it's true or not.

And look...I'll even admit to being guilty of sniping at politicians from time to time...just last week, when someone started a thread about a movie called "The Invention of Lying" being a documentary about Obama (and, FTR, it's not...the Obama documentary is "Dumbo" and we all know it ;) ), I initially said that "Idiocracy" was the Bush equivalent. I changed the post, but I was still guilty of being dumb for allowing myself to engage in the stupidity.

It's all quite ridiculous. I accept that it's going to continue despite my own personal fight against it.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I have no party affiliation, so by definition I can't be a partisan.

I objected to the DO Ed issued teaching guides.

I read the speech. I have no real objections to anything in it. If I had young children, I would certainly let them see it, but they would certainly let them know that my doing so would be in no way indicating approval of him as a man, as president or what he stands for and wants to do to this nation. At least he doesn't have the recent personal baggage that Clinton carried with him.
You can't be partisan because you don't belong to a party?

Huh...tell that to my wife, who is as partisan to the cause of liberalism as you seem to be to the cause of conservativism, but has never actually been a member of the Democratic Party.

[GregMartin]

Your middle sentence has to be one of the funniest I have ever read.

:dance::hug::lol:
I'll be here all week.

[LJ14]

Being critical of a political position is one thing. I get that and I don't have any problem with people being critical of Obama's position on fiscal policies (as I am) or even his social policies (which aren't great, but not as bad as his fiscal policies).

However, the partisanship is the namecalling. The ******** about how he's a Muslim sleeper-cell terrorist. The idiocy about going after him for every little thing he might deign to do in his daily business (smoking, going to NYC with his wife, asking for privacy on his vacation)...THAT'S the partisanship shining through. Hell...there are people bitching about Obama declaring last weekend "National Days of Prayer and Rememberance" in honor of the victims of 9/11 (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1630021), as though it was the worst possible thing a president could ever have done to this country. Of course...when it was pointed out that Bush had done the same thing for the last five years, it was initially ignored because, well, um, it was "different" when Bush did it.

It was exactly the same thing with Bush...all the cracks about how dumb he was because he'd say things like "misunderestimate", or the time he'd spend in Crawford (like he couldn't be reached...and in the interest of full disclosure, I did fall into that for a while during his first term before I grew up), or looking for any little thing to nail to his forehead, whether it's true or not.

And look...I'll even admit to being guilty of sniping at politicians from time to time...just last week, when someone started a thread about a movie called "The Invention of Lying" being a documentary about Obama (and, FTR, it's not...the Obama documentary is "Dumbo" and we all know it ;) ), I initially said that "Idiocracy" was the Bush equivalent. I changed the post, but I was still guilty of being dumb for allowing myself to engage in the stupidity.

It's all quite ridiculous. I accept that it's going to continue despite my own personal fight against it.

I dunno, Dr. Funk... I think, for the majority, when you find somebody who stands diametrically opposed to your belief system, AND in a position to threaten it... you honestly don't LIKE that person, what he stands for, or the people who stand with him.

I don't LIKE Barack Obama. Although, initially, I did give him a chance. I read his books, listened to his speeches, searched out countless articles... and after all that, I don't trust him and I don't believe he's looking out for my best interest, that of my family, or my countrymen.

At this point, if his mouth is moving, I assume he's lying. And even though I'm naturally biased against him on ideological grounds, believing, as I do, that HIS system is a fascist one, the REASON I think he's lying is because of his ACTIONS, because he's lied so many times before.

I'm honestly not surprised to see people criticizing his choice of mustard. It's silly, but what it means is that they DISLIKE him and there's nothing he can do at this point which will positively impress them. There's no political value to be had, afterall, by critiquing a man's sandwich. It's not like you're going to attract voters with that. It's just an expression of emotion if you ask me.

[samurai7]

Good!

I love partisanship.

The only ones that cry about "bipartisanship" are liberals who want conservatives to compromise their principles.

You never see liberals compromise their lack of principles.

Long may partisanship live!

:cool:

:razz:

:flag:

[GregMartin]

In the end, President Obama tried to insert something he shouldn't have
You talkin about obama or bawney fwank?

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

Good!

I love partisanship.



:cool:

:razz:

:flag:

Really. I would have never guessed. I'm just glad the most partisan on both sides seem to cancel each other out.

[DRS]

The left kicked it up to the highest notch a long time ago - digging in trash cans to torpedo Bork, partisan govt. employees investigating Joe the plumber, Dailykos, huff, Clarence Thomas character assassination, people investigating individuals who disagree with Obamacare, and the latest with keith overbite requesting people to give him dirt on Beck.

Are you saying there has not been smear campaigns run by people on the right?

There has not been efforts to dig up stuff on people who speaking well of health care reform by those on the right?