Michgan: Starts with a bang.

[Beccaria]

31-7 over Western Michigan. Now before anyone starts crying about WMU being just a second tier team, keep in mind that they were predicted to be the MAC champions this year. So this was a VERY GOOD second tier tiem.

And Tate Forcier-my friends, I have seen the future of Michigan Football, and it is he! Well done with his footwork, and some great passing as well!

Perfect season this year? Probably not. But Better than last year. Oh yeah!!!!

GO BLUE!!!

[Buffalo]

Wow. I was pleased. D looks good too. We'll see, but not bad.

[alexz2317]

Forcier is the man. But Denard Robinson has got some wheels on him. I'm very excited to see them open up there playbook against ND.

[Beccaria]

I'd like to see Robinson as a running back. Between him and Forcier, there is a LOT of option running that can be done!

I think Sheridan doesn't fit here though, sad to say.

[alexz2317]

I'd like to see Robinson as a running back. Between him and Forcier, there is a LOT of option running that can be done!

I think Sheridan doesn't fit here though, sad to say.
Imagine putting them both on the field, that will screw up the defense

[JimGP20]

Congratulations to Michigan, on being one of the stepping stones in Notre Dame's return to glory. :lol:

[Beccaria]

Congratulations to Michigan, on being one of the stepping stones in Notre Dame's return to glory. :lol:

I would also remind that ND had a FAR WORSE season than Michigan did 2 years ago. Get tired of people rehashing Michigan's season last year, when ND's season was never mentioned again.

[JimGP20]

I would also remind that ND had a FAR WORSE season than Michigan did 2 years ago. Get tired of people rehashing Michigan's season last year, when ND's season was never mentioned again.

I haven't noticed anyone rehashing Michigan's season from last year, but then that's probably because I'm not a fan of theirs so I don't pay much attention to it. However, if you think that Notre Dame hasn't been ridiculed ad nauseum for the past several years, then you too haven't been paying attention. Basically, we have two former great programs that have fallen on hard times who happen to have a big game this weekend against each other. GO IRISH !!

[alexz2317]

It's been Michigan against the world lately. We'll beat ND fairly easily in my opinion. 8 wins

[Buffalo]

Congratulations to Michigan, on being one of the stepping stones in Notre Dame's return to glory. :lol:
Ummm ok. I don't think either team is returning to glory this year, but Nevada, despite it's "pistol" wasn't much of a test.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio!
We're from Ohio... O-H!
We're from Ohio... I-O!
Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio! (http://www.scarletandgray.info/osu/media/michigan.mp3)

GO BUCKS!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/michigan_no.png

[JimGP20]

Ummm ok. I don't think either team is returning to glory this year, but Nevada, despite it's "pistol" wasn't much of a test.


Oh... and Western Michigan was? The Mac went 0-5 in bowls last year.

[Buffalo]

Oh... and Western Michigan was? The Mac went 0-5 in bowls last year.Never claimed they were nor did I say anything about Michigan returning to glory. I'm a Michigan guy, but I can see they are not close yet, You're obviously a ND guy, but what have they done to indicate a return to glory. Only beat Nevada. Unless that bowl win over Hawaii was more than I give credit for.

[Buffalo]

Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio!
We're from Ohio... O-H!
We're from Ohio... I-O!
Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio! (http://www.scarletandgray.info/osu/media/michigan.mp3)

GO BUCKS!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/michigan_no.png

15 more wins and you guys are .500 lifetime v. the maize and blue.

[MrShotShot]

31-7 over Western Michigan. Now before anyone starts crying about WMU being just a second tier team, keep in mind that they were predicted to be the MAC champions this year. So this was a VERY GOOD second tier tiem.

And Tate Forcier-my friends, I have seen the future of Michigan Football, and it is he! Well done with his footwork, and some great passing as well!

Perfect season this year? Probably not. But Better than last year. Oh yeah!!!!

GO BLUE!!!

Well they really only had one direction to go didn't they?

[RogerDodger]

I think the fact that one needs to point to a win over Western Michigan as proof of team improvement speaks volumes about the state of Michigan's program.

[RogerDodger]

8 wins

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

[alexz2317]

I think the fact that one needs to point to a win over Western Michigan as proof of team improvement speaks volumes about the state of Michigan's program.
I guess you have a point. Maybe if we played Montana St (Michigan St). or Akron(Penn St). Charleston Southern(Florida) or San Jose St.(USC) Then we would have proved how much more improved we are from last year. Keep in mind, WM was a bowl team last year.

[Dual867PowerMac]

15 more wins and you guys are .500 lifetime v. the maize and blue.
Odd that you should mention that fifteen-win advantage, because the Wolverines got a head start: they won thirteen of the first fifteen games of the rivalry. The other two were ties.

Undoubtedly they've had some great teams, but OSU has owned them since 2004, winning all five games by a combined score of 160-91.

Last year's 42-7 asskicking at The Shoe was wonderful. :)

If Rodriguez loses this year's game (:pray:) he's probably out on his keester. Can we agree on that?

[alexz2317]

Odd that you should mention that fifteen-win advantage, because the Wolverines got a head start: they won thirteen of the first fifteen games of the rivalry. The other two were ties.

Undoubtedly they've had some great teams, but OSU has owned them since 2004, winning all five games by a combined score of 160-91.

Last year's 42-7 asskicking at The Shoe was wonderful. :)

If Rodriguez loses this year's game (:pray:) he's probably out on his keester. Can we agree on that?
You can quote me, and grill me on this if need be, but I predict a Michigan win this year.

[Buffalo]

Odd that you should mention that fifteen-win advantage, because the Wolverines got a head start: they won thirteen of the first fifteen games of the rivalry. The other two were ties.

Undoubtedly they've had some great teams, but OSU has owned them since 2004, winning all five games by a combined score of 160-91.

Last year's 42-7 asskicking at The Shoe was wonderful. :)

If Rodriguez loses this year's game (:pray:) he's probably out on his keester. Can we agree on that?
Ahhh the Tressell era. Yeah, Blue is getting whooped by the vested one. But, as we both know, things change in a hurry in this rivalry. How quickly you all forget the Cooper regime. As for RRod getting booted for loosing, I doubt it. They are gonna give him time to get his players, and chnage the program. He's a big change from Carr, and I think the AD and boosters understood that when they got him. Now, how long his kid gloves stick IDK.
Blue and Maize make green for money, gray and "scarlet" make pink.

[bbt630]

Nobody has mentioned the first half performance of the Michigan D on saturday, the same D that was supposed to carry them through the first year of the Rich Rod era. The difference on both sides of the ball from last year was very impressive.

Don't go buying those BCS bowl tickets yet, Mich fans. But the future looks very good.

[Beccaria]

Nobody has mentioned the first half performance of the Michigan D on saturday, the same D that was supposed to carry them through the first year of the Rich Rod era. The difference on both sides of the ball from last year was very impressive.

Don't go buying those BCS bowl tickets yet, Mich fans. But the future looks very good.

See, I'm persuaded that a big (and often unspoken) part of the problem with the Michigan D last year was that they got worn out. When an offense keeps going 3 and out, your defense will start getting tired. I don't care if you've got an NFL caliber team on that Defensive line; they're going to get tired eventually if they're on the field for too long.

[iamredbeard]

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Actually looking at their schedule, I think eights wins is very probable. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130

They only need six more wins, then get a bid to a minor bowl and win that game and then you get your eight wins season.

Granted I'm an unapologetic homer, but I think they will win more than eights games, I see them going 9-4 (4-0 in the non conference, 5-3 in the Big Ten, and they'll lose in the Outback Bowl to some SEC team).

[TheModerateOne]

Wolverines got off another blast today! Can't hate on Tate!

[super cool ski instructor]

Good game today!!!


Also want to give CMU props for pulling out a win over State!

[JimGP20]

I know you Michigan fans won't see it... but the officiating sucked ass today. No wonder they call it "The Big House"..... some of your players wear stripes.

[spinach]

Michigan spanked ND

and what is ironic is that michigan tried to blow it....but then regrouped.

however there was a late game catch that was ruled a catch that pretty clearly wasn't for michigan.

I don't think it mattered, though, because ND just choked. They sort of went loopy the last part of the game

[TheModerateOne]

I know you Michigan fans won't see it... but the officiating sucked ass today. No wonder they call it "The Big House"..... some of your players wear stripes.

I'm not going to say there weren't any questionable decisions. Honestly I think Charlie Weis simply lost the plot when ND were ahead, and the Wolverine O, especially our Frosh turned it on in the 2nd half. ND's offense is unbelievable but Weis is too smart for his own good.

[JimGP20]

Michigan spanked ND

and what is ironic is that michigan tried to blow it....but then regrouped.

however there was a late game catch that was ruled a catch that pretty clearly wasn't for michigan.

I don't think it mattered, though, because ND just choked. They sort of went loopy the last part of the game

There were phantom holding calls on Notre dame for most of the first half. There was a critical no call on a pass intereference on Notre Dame's last possession before Michigan scored. Michigan spanked no one. They were the beneficiaries of Big Ten officials.

[iamredbeard]

I know you Michigan fans won't see it... but the officiating sucked ass today. No wonder they call it "The Big House"..... some of your players wear stripes.

:boohoo:

[iamredbeard]

There were phantom holding calls on Notre dame for most of the first half. There was a critical no call on a pass intereference on Notre Dame's last possession before Michigan scored. Michigan spanked no one. They were the beneficiaries of Big Ten officials.

Well I wouldn't call them phantom holding calls. They were questionable, but still a valid call. As they say there is holding on just about every play. As for the pass interference call, if we are thinking of the same play, I think no flag was thrown because the ball was uncatchable.

I will agree with you on one point though, Michigan spanked no one. A mediocre Michigan team that is in the process of changing the program barely beat an overhyped Notre Dame team.

[JimGP20]

Well I wouldn't call them phantom holding calls. They were questionable, but still a valid call. As they say there is holding on just about every play. As for the pass interference call, if we are thinking of the same play, I think no flag was thrown because the ball was uncatchable.

I will agree with you on one point though, Michigan spanked no one. A mediocre Michigan team that is in the process of changing the program barely beat an overhyped Notre Dame team.


No... I know the play you are referring to, but it isn't the one I'm talking about. It was on ND's last drive when they still had the lead.... a long pass to the left side where the replay clearly showed that the Michigan defender was holding the ND receiver as the ball got there. The commentator even said that Michigan just got away with one. As for the holding calls, you say it happens on every play, but they only seemed to happen on plays where ND had a big gain, and then never on Michigan. I saw at least 4 holds on Michigan that were not called. I hate when people bitch about the referrees, but this was rather blatant.

Oh.... and the first half touchdown that was over ruled by replay??.. WHAT A CROCK !! The view from the sideline CLEARLY showed that his foot never touched the white sideline.

[MrShotShot]

It was a very good game. I always enjoy watching two mid-level teams go at it.

[alexz2317]

I know you Michigan fans won't see it... but the officiating sucked ass today. No wonder they call it "The Big House"..... some of your players wear stripes.
:((:((:((

[alexz2317]

There were phantom holding calls on Notre dame for most of the first half. There was a critical no call on a pass intereference on Notre Dame's last possession before Michigan scored. Michigan spanked no one. They were the beneficiaries of Big Ten officials.
:((:((:(( Good Lord you sound like Pittsburgh fans

[iamredbeard]

No... I know the play you are referring to, but it isn't the one I'm talking about. It was on ND's last drive when they still had the lead.... a long pass to the left side where the replay clearly showed that the Michigan defender was holding the ND receiver as the ball got there. The commentator even said that Michigan just got away with one. As for the holding calls, you say it happens on every play, but they only seemed to happen on plays where ND had a big gain, and then never on Michigan. I saw at least 4 holds on Michigan that were not called. I hate when people bitch about the referrees, but this was rather blatant.

Oh.... and the first half touchdown that was over ruled by replay??.. WHAT A CROCK !! The view from the sideline CLEARLY showed that his foot never touched the white sideline.


As for the TD being called back. From the replays I saw it could have gone both ways. It was very close, glad I didn't have to make that call. As for the holding calls both teams got called on them as for the most part the announcers showed where the holding occurred and said that you can't do that and get away with it, they'll call that every time. As for the pass interference that was not called, well I didn't see much to be called on that. Besides all that I watched a bunch of the post game coverage and I didn't hear any of the talking heads talk about the reffing having anything to do with ND's loss. Was the game called perfect? no, no game is, but it wasn't called all that bad either. Quit your whining, your sounding like a cry baby. :boohoo:

[RogerDodger]

It was a very good game. I always enjoy watching two mid-level teams go at it.


:clap::clap::clap:

[signcut]

A program picking itself up from the floor beat another program that, while it hadn't fallen quite as far, was ranked for no good reason other than old, faded history.

An entertaining game if you like uneven, inconsistent play...

I will say, though, that both programs look at least somewhat improved from last year.

[nortman]

Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio!
We're from Ohio... O-H!
We're from Ohio... I-O!
Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio! (http://www.scarletandgray.info/osu/media/michigan.mp3)

GO BUCKS!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/michigan_no.png:mrgreen:
Now there is a song that I can really get into!

[nortman]

15 more wins and you guys are .500 lifetime v. the maize and blue.

So, if Jim Tressel sticks around for another 16 years, we'll have the lead. :mrgreen:

[iamredbeard]

So, if Jim Tressel sticks around for another 16 years, we'll have the lead. :mrgreen:

It's just a matter of time before the pendulum swings the other way. A rivalry that has be called the best in all of sports cannot stay one sided for long.

[JimGP20]

As for the TD being called back. From the replays I saw it could have gone both ways. It was very close, glad I didn't have to make that call. As for the holding calls both teams got called on them as for the most part the announcers showed where the holding occurred and said that you can't do that and get away with it, they'll call that every time. As for the pass interference that was not called, well I didn't see much to be called on that. Besides all that I watched a bunch of the post game coverage and I didn't hear any of the talking heads talk about the reffing having anything to do with ND's loss. Was the game called perfect? no, no game is, but it wasn't called all that bad either. Quit your whining, your sounding like a cry baby. :boohoo:


Call it whining if you like. I know what I saw, and I like violin music.

[alexz2317]

Excuses Excuses. You just look stupid whining like that now.

[JimGP20]

Excuses Excuses. You just look stupid whining like that now.


Gee... if I look stupid, at least I'm not alone. :lol:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55493391&postcount=100

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55652841&postcount=114

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=56259691&postcount=920

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=56375471&postcount=937

[iamredbeard]

There were phantom holding calls on Notre dame for most of the first half. There was a critical no call on a pass intereference on Notre Dame's last possession before Michigan scored. Michigan spanked no one. They were the beneficiaries of Big Ten officials.

Just keep in mind that Notre Dame's next two games will also probably be officiated by Big Ten crews.

[alexz2317]

Gee... if I look stupid, at least I'm not alone. :lol:

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55493391&postcount=100

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=55652841&postcount=114

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=56259691&postcount=920

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=56375471&postcount=937
You can bring back past quotes, I don't care. I'm a passionate fan.

[Buffalo]

Awesome win. Instant classic. Forcier! Minor! Charlie Weis OVERRATED!!! Go home crappy ND fan. This means nothing more than Michigan beat ND and that's just ****ing fine! As for officiating, too bad. It's college football. **** happens right OSU fan?

[JimGP20]

You can bring back past quotes, I don't care. I'm a passionate fan.

So am I.... so why call me a whiner when you did the same thing? :neutral:

[Beccaria]

Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio!
We're from Ohio... O-H!
We're from Ohio... I-O!
Oh, we don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
The whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn for the whole state of Michigan
We're from Ohio! (http://www.scarletandgray.info/osu/media/michigan.mp3)

GO BUCKS!

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/michigan_no.png
You're one to talk after that pathetic win over a mediocre Navy team and the loss to USC.

[alexz2317]

So am I.... so why call me a whiner when you did the same thing? :neutral:
Because it wasn't the refs who blew the game for ND, it was Weis. Horrible clock management.

[JimGP20]

Because it wasn't the refs who blew the game for ND, it was Weis. Horrible clock management.

Weis was one factor, but even with his questionable play calling, the Irish run out the clock if the pass interference in the 4th had been called like it should have been. I don't expect you to agree... you're a fan of the team who got the benefit of the calls.

[signcut]

Weis was one factor, but even with his questionable play calling, the Irish run out the clock if the pass interference in the 4th had been called like it should have been. I don't expect you to agree... you're a fan of the team who got the benefit of the calls.

Every team gets the benefit of calls over the course of the season, and gets shafted by some as well. Nobody ever complains about the calls that go in their favor, though...

:rolleyes:





Honestly, Jim, I have to say that I expected a little more from you...

:neutral:

[JimGP20]

Every team gets the benefit of calls over the course of the season, and gets shafted by some as well. Nobody ever complains about the calls that go in their favor, though...

:rolleyes:





Honestly, Jim, I have to say that I expected a little more from you...

:neutral:

Oh well. Sorry to disappoint. If the calls had evened out it wouldn't be an issue, but it was pretty lopsided against the Irish. Most folks here are Irish haters anyway, so I didn't expect to get much support . I must say though... Michigan's QB is going to be a Heisman candidate in no time.

[Beccaria]

Weis was one factor, but even with his questionable play calling, the Irish run out the clock if the pass interference in the 4th had been called like it should have been. I don't expect you to agree... you're a fan of the team who got the benefit of the calls.

Sorry, Jim-ND had its opportunities and blew it. Penalties are not excuses.

[Beccaria]

I don't expect you to agree... you're a fan of the team who got the benefit of the calls.Tuck Rule, anybody?

[JimGP20]

Tuck Rule, anybody?

You may not like the tuck rule, but it is a rule that was followed by the officials. It's not like they made it up on the spot to screw the Raiders. I think it's a stupid rule too, but in 8 years since it happened, they still haven't changed it.

[Beccaria]

You may not like the tuck rule, but it is a rule that was followed by the officials. It's not like they made it up on the spot to screw the Raiders. I think it's a stupid rule too, but in 8 years since it happened, they still haven't changed it.

I rest my case. As for the officiating, yeah, it might have hurt ND at times, but it's not like Michigan's never gotten a call against them ever. Recall the bowl game they were in a few years ago, in which the last play became a toss-about, but the other team started running on the field even though the play was not dead. Even ESPN agreed it was a bogus call.

[JimGP20]

I rest my case. As for the officiating, yeah, it might have hurt ND at times, but it's not like Michigan's never gotten a call against them ever. Recall the bowl game they were in a few years ago, in which the last play became a toss-about, but the other team started running on the field even though the play was not dead. Even ESPN agreed it was a bogus call.

OK... fine, Michigan has had bad calls against them before. I'm just referring to this one game. I'm a Notre Dame fan and I was ****ed Saturday when this was all happening. If the same had happened to Michigan on Saturday, it would be other people who were ****ed... I get it.

[Beccaria]

I have to admit, it's funny hearing people changing their tune about the wins constantly.

When Michigan beat western mich, all I heard was "Big deal, it's a second tier team. Notre Dame will humble you guys." (Ignoring the fact that Western Michigan is a VERY GOOD second tier team, slated to be MAC champions)

Now that we've beaten Notre Dame, all I'm hearing is "Big deal, Notre Dame isn't that great a team" (despite the gushing over Clausen that I kept hearing by the ESPN commentators).

Don't misunderstand me; I'm not expecting a perfect season. But could it be-indeed, might it be-just possible that Michigan is playing a little bit BETTER this year than last year?

A bad team would have lost big against Notre Dame, which Michigan did last year (albeit mostly on turnovers). A bad team would have lost against Western Michigan (to put it in a valid comparison, the Toledo rockets-far worse than WMU-beat Michigan last year, in the Big House nonetheless).

Michigan's not the midwest Equivalent of USC or anyone else that high. I grant that.

But she's not the team she was last year.

Better get ready, folks.

[Beccaria]

OK... fine, Michigan has had bad calls against them before. I'm just referring to this one game. I'm a Notre Dame fan and I was ****ed Saturday when this was all happening. If the same had happened to Michigan on Saturday, it would be other people who were ****ed... I get it.
Tell you what, Jim. When you play against Michigan State, I'll be right there rooting for Clausen and co. :D

[signcut]

Oh well. Sorry to disappoint. If the calls had evened out it wouldn't be an issue, but it was pretty lopsided against the Irish. Most folks here are Irish haters anyway, so I didn't expect to get much support . I must say though... Michigan's QB is going to be a Heisman candidate in no time.

Only because I really haven't heard you lean on that before, with the Sox, the Pats, whoever. Calls come and go, but they aren't generally the reason for a team losing; teams have to overcome bad calls, and take advantage of favorable ones. It would have gone a lot further to help them win the game (that they were still ahead in) if Weis had run the ball at the end of the game.

That was a bad coaching call that had more effect than all the ones from the referees...

[Buffalo]

For such well coached team, they sure did get a lot of penalties for delay of game and how many timeouts taken by Clausen cause he wasn't gonna beat the play clock? The most glaring thing I took away Saturday is Charlie Weis is a crappy head coach.

[JimGP20]

Why do Michigan fans hate Michigan State so much? I mean.... I grew up in Indiana, and I liked Notre Dame, Indiana and Purdue. So why do so many of you up there in the split state like one but not the other?

[iamredbeard]

Why do Michigan fans hate Michigan State so much? I mean.... I grew up in Indiana, and I liked Notre Dame, Indiana and Purdue. So why do so many of you up there in the split state like one but not the other?

It's hard to explain if your not from Michigan. The teams from the respective schools don't like each other. They root hard against each other even in the minor sports like water polo and gymnastics. MSU fans don't like Michigan and Michigan fans don't like MSU. I am in the minority though. I feel no allegiance to either school and root for them both. I got a blanket for Christmas that has MSU on one side and Michigan on the bother. :D

[iamredbeard]

If you wanna talk to Michigan fans about bad calls, they is one that they are still upset about. It was their game against their in state rival in 2001. Wiki even has a page about that game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Michigan_vs._Michigan_State_football_game

[Beccaria]

It's hard to explain if your not from Michigan. The teams from the respective schools don't like each other. They root hard against each other even in the minor sports like water polo and gymnastics. MSU fans don't like Michigan and Michigan fans don't like MSU. I am in the minority though. I feel no allegiance to either school and root for them both. I got a blanket for Christmas that has MSU on one side and Michigan on the bother. :D

There are two exceptions for this case, redbeard: Penn State and Ohio State. Wolverine fans will (begrudgingly) root for MSU on these occassions. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for our Spartan rivals: they will take glee in any Michigan football defeat they see.

[Beccaria]

If you wanna talk to Michigan fans about bad calls, they is one that they are still upset about. It was their game against their in state rival in 2001. Wiki even has a page about that game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Michigan_vs._Michigan_State_football_game

Wow... I'd forgotten about that one.

[iamredbeard]

There are two exceptions for this case, redbeard: Penn State and Ohio State. Wolverine fans will (begrudgingly) root for MSU on these occassions. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for our Spartan rivals: they will take glee in any Michigan football defeat they see.

That's because Michigan is MSU's primary rival while Ohio State is Michigan's. There is another exception though, fans of both teams hate Notre Dame and will usually root for their rival (sometimes grudgingly) to beat Notre Dame. No love loss when it comes to them.

[iamredbeard]

Wow... I'd forgotten about that one.

I always hear Michigan fans continue to bitch about that game. ;)

[Beccaria]

I always hear Michigan fans continue to bitch about that game. ;)

The one I had a problem with was the one I referenced earlier, where the final play of the game was still live and the opposing team (I can't remember who it was) just marched on the field anyway. Like I said, even the Anti-Michigan ESPN admitted it was bogus.

[Beccaria]

That's because Michigan is MSU's primary rival while Ohio State is Michigan's. There is another exception though, fans of both teams hate Notre Dame and will usually root for their rival (sometimes grudgingly) to beat Notre Dame. No love loss when it comes to them.

Not Mrs. Beccaria, not this season. She's EXTREMELY ticked off that the State fans gloated in her face after the win last year. We (and most Michigan fans I know) are very careful not to gloat over victories against our green and white rivals, but after the snide reactions she got last year, her Irish side is coming out.

[JimGP20]

That's because Michigan is MSU's primary rival while Ohio State is Michigan's. There is another exception though, fans of both teams hate Notre Dame and will usually root for their rival (sometimes grudgingly) to beat Notre Dame. No love loss when it comes to them.

So... is it a geographical thing?? I mean.. the schools are actually fairly close to each other, so how is the state divided ?

[iamredbeard]

So... is it a geographical thing?? I mean.. the schools are actually fairly close to each other, so how is the state divided ?

It's not really a geographical thing, many times households are split down the middle. Generally the western side of the state are State fans while the eastern half is Michigan fans, but even that is not very accurate. Generally it's all mixed up. You'll find Spartan fans just about everywhere and Michigan fans just about everywhere and generally speaking if you're a fan of one school then you can't stand the other.

[iamredbeard]

Not Mrs. Beccaria, not this season. She's EXTREMELY ticked off that the State fans gloated in her face after the win last year. We (and most Michigan fans I know) are very careful not to gloat over victories against our green and white rivals, but after the snide reactions she got last year, her Irish side is coming out.

Well there are exceptions to everything. ;) For the most part though, the only thing that fans of the two schools can agree on is that they both hate Notre Dame. With MSU's new coach and his ties to Ohio State, their support of Ohio State has grown even more.

As for me, I don't feel an allegiance to either school so I simply root for them both to do well.

[iamredbeard]

Next for Michigan is the fictional "Washtenaw County Commissioners Cup" against former Michigan Defensive Coordinator.

[Wake-Up]

Well there are exceptions to everything. ;) For the most part though, the only thing that fans of the two schools can agree on is that they both hate Notre Dame. With MSU's new coach and his ties to Ohio State, their support of Ohio State has grown even more.

As for me, I don't feel an allegiance to either school so I simply root for them both to do well.

Its not just about sports or geography in the state.

There is a distinct difference in how the schools are viewed from an educational standpoint as well. Michigan is considered one of the Public Ivy's in terms of reputation and quality.
At one point it was the only university to have its Top 10 programs all rated in the Top 10 nationally for quality.

MSU is a top tier university but the admission standards were always a step behind Michigan's and MSU was long thought of as an agricultural university versus a top tier research university. Michigan the white collar school, MSU the working man's school.

Michigan is thought of as a football school, MSU a basketball school. Both have had their turns in hockey. The competitive nature of both schools, its professors and students goes much deeper than just sports.

I went to Wayne State in Detroit then USC and have kids at both MSU and Michigan so the rivalry is fun to watch and we cheer for the one with best chance of beating OSU and getting to the Rose Bowl.

[JimGP20]

It's not really a geographical thing, many times households are split down the middle. Generally the western side of the state are State fans while the eastern half is Michigan fans, but even that is not very accurate. Generally it's all mixed up. You'll find Spartan fans just about everywhere and Michigan fans just about everywhere and generally speaking if you're a fan of one school then you can't stand the other.


Evidently, some people in Michigan are just born into who they will root for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fc5os23mI

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This one is probably a MSU fan fron the getgo. :lol:

[iamredbeard]

Evidently, some people in Michigan are just born into who they will root for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fc5os23mI

(Youtube warning issued)

This one is probably a MSU fan fron the getgo. :lol:

That is true in some cases, but in many cases there is one parent that is a Michigan fan and the other a Michigan State fan, so the kid ends up choosing for themself, or they end up being difficult like me and root for both schools.

[Beccaria]

Eastern Michigan coming up this Saturday. Should be a win, although we take nothing for granted after last season.

[iamredbeard]

Eastern Michigan coming up this Saturday. Should be a win, although we take nothing for granted after last season.

Eastern Michigan is coached by Dough English who was the Michigan defensive coordinator under Carr. Now he has to take his team on the oh so long seven mile trip to the Big House. On several occasions ESPN has called the game the battle for the Washtenaw County Commisoners Cup, even though such a thing doesn't even exist.

[alexz2317]

Eastern Michigan is coached by Dough English who was the Michigan defensive coordinator under Carr. Now he has to take his team on the oh so long seven mile trip to the Big House. On several occasions ESPN has called the game the battle for the Washtenaw County Commisoners Cup, even though such a thing doesn't even exist.
I hate to do this.....

Ron English :silenced:

[Buffalo]

Eastern Michigan is coached by Dough English who was the Michigan defensive coordinator under Carr. Now he has to take his team on the oh so long seven mile trip to the Big House. On several occasions ESPN has called the game the battle for the Washtenaw County Commisoners Cup, even though such a thing doesn't even exist.
My sister is an EMU alum. Big trash talking this week.

[Beccaria]

My sister is an EMU alum. Big trash talking this week.

I think we've got that game. Again, not taking anything for granted, though.

[iamredbeard]

I hate to do this.....

Ron English :silenced:

I stand corrected. ;)

[Buffalo]

I think we've got that game. Again, not taking anything for granted, though.
Oh that's for sure.

[iamredbeard]

The game is at home for Michigan, but even if it was a road game, it would still basically be a home game for Michigan.

[iamredbeard]

I had some running around to do earlier so I was listening to the beginning of the game on the radio instead of watching it and the Michigan announcers mention that EMU's coaching staff is loaded with former Michigan assistant coaches and former Michigan Players. :think:

[Creefer]

10-10. I'd agree defense definately looks suspect.

[Creefer]

But offense is good. Gonna be a lot of high scoring games this year, but I think given the start they'll find a bowl game.

[iamredbeard]

But offense is good. Gonna be a lot of high scoring games this year, but I think given the start they'll find a bowl game.

I agree and quite frankly the Big Ten middle and bottom tier teams are mediocre at best, and this coming from a Big Ten team. I got them going 9-3 and then losing their bowl game. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130

[Creefer]

I agree and quite frankly the Big Ten middle and bottom tier teams are mediocre at best, and this coming from a Big Ten team. I got them going 9-3 and then losing their bowl game. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/clubhouse?teamId=130

I think 9 wins is a little hopeful, but I'm down with that.

[JimGP20]

Just keep in mind that Notre Dame's next two games will also probably be officiated by Big Ten crews.


Yeah... and they just got jobbed again against Mich. State. That was a touchdown. He caught the ball in the endzone and had his foot down. It was pretty plain to see.

[iamredbeard]

I think 9 wins is a little hopeful, but I'm down with that.

Time will tell but they have a favorable schedule. Looking at the schedule I think that they should beat Indiana, Delaware State, Purdue, Illinois and Iowa. That bring us to eight wins and then I think they'll beat either Michigan State or Wisconsin, and then lose to Penn State and Ohio State. I am basing nine wins on their schedule and not how good they are.

[iamredbeard]

Yeah... and they just got jobbed again against Mich. State. That was a touchdown. He caught the ball in the endzone and had his foot down. It was pretty plain to see.

Even I must say, and I hate ND that it looked like a touchdown. From what I understood for a conversation that the announcers had with the refs, that it was more of a possession issue, that he did have possession all the way through.

It's hard to defend the refs on that one, but I don't believe that refs have an agenda when they are calling a game. I have never bought into those conspiracy theories. Sure some bad calls get made, they are only human afterall, but I just don't buy into conspiracy theories involving refs. Funny that I am having this conversation during football season, usually I have these talks during hockey season.

[JimGP20]

Even I must say, and I hate ND that it looked like a touchdown. From what I understood for a conversation that the announcers had with the refs, that it was more of a possession issue, that he did have possession all the way through.

It's hard to defend the refs on that one, but I don't believe that refs have an agenda when they are calling a game. I have never bought into those conspiracy theories. Sure some bad calls get made, they are only human afterall, but I just don't buy into conspiracy theories involving refs. Funny that I am having this conversation during football season, usually I have these talks during hockey season.


Well... the Irish ended up winning, but that bad call very well could have had huge implications on the game. Only an interception kept the Spartans from a tying field goal try, which to tie, because ND was only up by 3 instead of the 7 they should have led by.

You folks are right... bad calls don't in and of themselves cost games, but they sure do change the momentum.

[alexz2317]

Time will tell but they have a favorable schedule. Looking at the schedule I think that they should beat Indiana, Delaware State, Purdue, Illinois and Iowa. That bring us to eight wins and then I think they'll beat either Michigan State or Wisconsin, and then lose to Penn State and Ohio State. I am basing nine wins on their schedule and not how good they are.
I see Michigan beating State and Wisky. This team can surprise a lot of people. They have shear speed that a lot of teams in the Big Ten lack.

[iamredbeard]

Well... the Irish ended up winning, but that bad call very well could have had huge implications on the game. Only an interception kept the Spartans from a tying field goal try, which to tie, because ND was only up by 3 instead of the 7 they should have led by.

You folks are right... bad calls don't in and of themselves cost games, but they sure do change the momentum.

Well State should have won that game, can't believe the QB missed that open WR.

Bad calls happen, what was weird about that call is that it was reviewed. Do I think it was a TD? Yes, but the refs obviously saw something that we didn't see, that is the only conclusion that I can come into, because I don't believe that the refs are part of any conspiracy to screw ND.

[iamredbeard]

I see Michigan beating State and Wisky. This team can surprise a lot of people. They have shear speed that a lot of teams in the Big Ten lack.

Well I see them splitting those two, so I get them at 9-3, while you got them at 10-2. The MSU game is goning to be difficult, that game always is and this year this it's at Spartan Stadium and a lot of people have them as the Dark Horse in the Big Ten. If they are going to win the Big Ten, this is their year. No Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan at home. I think that if Michigan State can win the Land Grant Trophy that they'll win the conference title.

[alexz2317]

Well I see them splitting those two, so I get them at 9-3, while you got them at 10-2. The MSU game is goning to be difficult, that game always is and this year this it's at Spartan Stadium and a lot of people have them as the Dark Horse in the Big Ten. If they are going to win the Big Ten, this is their year. No Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan at home. I think that if Michigan State can win the Land Grant Trophy that they'll win the conference title.
Michigan State WILL NOT win the Big Ten. Not even come close. They're a joke this year. They have no run game and no QB. Defense is suspect as usual.

[iamredbeard]

Michigan State WILL NOT win the Big Ten. Not even come close. They're a joke this year. They have no run game and no QB. Defense is suspect as usual.

Your probably right, their schedule is favorable so some thought they might get the title. What really hurts is they have no one that comes close to what Javon Ringer was able to do for them last year.

[Beccaria]

Well I see them splitting those two, so I get them at 9-3, while you got them at 10-2. The MSU game is goning to be difficult, that game always is and this year this it's at Spartan Stadium and a lot of people have them as the Dark Horse in the Big Ten. If they are going to win the Big Ten, this is their year. No Ohio State and Penn State and Michigan at home. I think that if Michigan State can win the Land Grant Trophy that they'll win the conference title.

The Michigan-Michigan State game is one in which stats and records don't matter. Same with Michigan-Ohio State. Those games are personal.

And as for last Saturday, did you notice that the defense allowed NO scores the second half? Well done!

[JimGP20]

Wow.... what an awful call by that official on the possesion rule.

[iamredbeard]

Michigan got another victory but it wasn't a pretty one. Although they are 4-0. I don't think they are that good. They barely beat a mediocre Indiana team. Next up for them is their in-state rival, although I thought MSU was causing to have a good season, they are looking rather mediocre as well. So they just beat one mediocre conference team and have to get ready for another.

[dannyg79]

Michigan got another victory but it wasn't a pretty one. Although they are 4-0. I don't think they are that good. They barely beat a mediocre Indiana team. Next up for them is their in-state rival, although I thought MSU was causing to have a good season, they are looking rather mediocre as well. So they just beat one mediocre conference team and have to get ready for another.

They barely beat Indiana and they got a huge break on a horrible call. They arent that good. They are certainly improved and will get better, but they are nothing special at this point.

[bbt630]

Mich definitely got a break on that call.

Remember the ruling on the field was an interception, which I assume means the ruling was that blue was in possession of the ball when the two came down, and the replay could not indisputably overrule that.

[alexz2317]

Mich definitely got a break on that call.

Remember the ruling on the field was an interception, which I assume means the ruling was that blue was in possession of the ball when the two came down, and the replay could not indisputably overrule that.
Happens every game for every team. How about that Pass Interference where the Indiana guy was climbing up the back of the Michigan WR, and they picked up the flag. Or the offides where the IU guy was in between the linemen when Forcier snapped the ball. I'm sick of hearing when Michigan get's 1 break, all the anti-Michigan people start whining.

[spinach]

I was watching the game....
that last "interception" ruling was a crappy call.

I'm not a fan of either team, but the refs on the field blew that one bad.

[spinach]

Happens every game for every team. How about that Pass Interference where the Indiana guy was climbing up the back of the Michigan WR, and they picked up the flag. Or the offides where the IU guy was in between the linemen when Forcier snapped the ball. I'm sick of hearing when Michigan get's 1 break, all the anti-Michigan people start whining.


oh yeah, that one was horrendous.
the Indiana guy was all over the receiver.
that was a HORRIBLE call too.

[Buffalo]

Did any of us fans of the maize and blue think this was a national championship year? I sure didn't, so I'm enjoying the hell out of one entertaining team, and not having expectations they can't reach. They are learning and are winning and getting confidence. I like this team.

[Beccaria]

Did any of us fans of the maize and blue think this was a national championship year? I sure didn't, so I'm enjoying the hell out of one entertaining team, and not having expectations they can't reach. They are learning and are winning and getting confidence. I like this team.

Still rough, but I agree. I think next year they really will be a force to be reckoned with.

As for the bad call on Indiana-oh well. And I'm not just saying that as a Michigan fan. Seeing as how Michigan got THREE bad calls, one of which ended up getting them a score, I'm not feeling a whole lot of sympathy for the Hoosiers.

[Buffalo]

Still rough, but I agree. I think next year they really will be a force to be reckoned with.

As for the bad call on Indiana-oh well. And I'm not just saying that as a Michigan fan. Seeing as how Michigan got THREE bad calls, one of which ended up getting them a score, I'm not feeling a whole lot of sympathy for the Hoosiers.
If we are gonna bitch about bad calls in college football, we might as well bitch about marching bands, cause both are part of the game. It all evens out and even during the course of the game, like you say, we saw bad calls against Michigan. Fact is, We have a good young QB, who toughed it out and didn't quit.

[mkh]

No worries. Two weeks and they'll lose to Iowa who is on the way to the rose bowl.

[Beccaria]

No worries. Two weeks and they'll lose to Iowa who is on the way to the rose bowl.

I do have to admit; it was nice to see Iowa beat overrated Joe Pa.

[mkh]

I do have to admit; it was nice to see Iowa beat overrated Joe Pa.

Was great, but now is far too overrated. They are not the 13th best team in the country.

[JimGP20]

Just wondering why this thread hasn't gotten bumped yet this week. :think: :cool:

[iamredbeard]

Just wondering why this thread hasn't gotten bumped yet this week. :think: :cool:

Go blame little brother. ;)

[Beccaria]

Ouch. Loss to the Spartans.

But... and I know it's a big "But".... this was a real moral victory. We have a relatively inexperienced freshman team who had no real road-testing, who went in against an established system and team, and took it into overtime. By all logic, MSU should have torn us apart. They didn't. That was encouraging.

[Buffalo]

crap, that's all. oh well, still growing.

[Beccaria]

crap, that's all. oh well, still growing.

We never predicted a perfect season, Buffalo, just a better one-and frankly, this one IS a better one already.

[Buffalo]

We never predicted a perfect season, Buffalo, just a better one-and frankly, this one IS a better one already.
Agreed and it's damn entertaining. Watched Michigan vs. Ohio State HBO documentary again this weekend. Have you seen it? It is really good.

[Beccaria]

Agreed and it's damn entertaining. Watched Michigan vs. Ohio State HBO documentary again this weekend. Have you seen it? It is really good.

I have, and it's good overall, but the video is WAAAYYYY too slanted in favor of the snakepit boys in the Horseshoe.

[Buffalo]

I have, and it's good overall, but the video is WAAAYYYY too slanted in favor of the snakepit boys in the Horseshoe.
The Tressel love fest is kinda disgusting, but the Bo and Woody parts make me choke up.

[JimGP20]

Turns out that Michigan's early season win over Notre Dame meant nothing since, as it turns out, both teams suck.

[bbt630]

The way this season played out, they are in worse shape than last year, imo.

After seeing them play the season opener against Western, I had them winning 7 games, with 1 big win. But what happened to them in the Big 10 was just embarrassing. On 2 consecutive games, they had the lead going into the locker room, with possession to start the second half. In both games they choked after the half.

Call it youth, bad coaching, whatever. Those were two games they should have won.

I still believe Rich Rod should get his three years. But right now I'd say his chances of seeing year 4 are about 50/50.

[samurai7]

31-7 over Western Michigan. Now before anyone starts crying about WMU being just a second tier team, keep in mind that they were predicted to be the MAC champions this year. So this was a VERY GOOD second tier tiem.

And Tate Forcier-my friends, I have seen the future of Michigan Football, and it is he! Well done with his footwork, and some great passing as well!

Perfect season this year? Probably not. But Better than last year. Oh yeah!!!!

GO BLUE!!!

Yeah, go Blue. The team that will be sofa surfing during the bowl games! :))

Go Bucks!!!!!!

Five turnovers by Michigan in one game.

Michigan SUCKS! :))

:)) :)) :))

[samurai7]

The Tressel love fest is kinda disgusting, but the Bo and Woody parts make me choke up.

:))

Well the Tress love fest WOULD be kind of disgusting, IF YOU AREN'T A BUCKS FAN! :))

But the man WINS games, and he has a great record.

Keep blowing those sour grapes.

Michigan will be on a couch watching the bowl games.

Ohio State on the other hand:

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk67/Hemlock-Shomes/RoseBowlLogo-1.jpg

Everything is coming up Roses!

:cool:

[alexz2317]

Keep it classy O$U fans.....

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2006/08/09/clarett-maurice-ap-060809.jpg