Jewish Wedding Traditions and the Rapture

[davetexas]

It is so uncanny,the picture that emerges from looking closely at the Jewish wedding and the wedding between Jesus and the church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ua0uc6vaoM

[Jacob_Rising]

It is so uncanny,the picture that emerges from looking closely at the Jewish wedding and the wedding between Jesus and the church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ua0uc6vaoMYup, It is, But it's only telling you about the course of the Sun and the Moon.

It's a story about Solomon and the Shulamite.

The Sun and the Moon.

Song Of Solomon.

Solomon to the Bride{Sun to the Moon} I have come to my Garden, My sister, My spouse{Abram and Sari}; I have gathered my Myrrh with my spice; I have eaten My Honeycomb[Jonathon of Benjamin the Beloved} with my Honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk.

{God to the Couple}- Eat, O friends!
Drink, yes, drink Deeply,
O Beloved ones!

{Wife to daughter of Jerusalem{world} : The wife rebuffs her husband. I sleep{Moon} but my heart is awake; It is the voice of my beloved!
He knocks, saying, '' Open for me my sister, My love,
My dove, My perfect one;
For My head is covered with dew{morning}, My locks with the drops of the night.''

I have taken off my Robe;
How can I put it on again{Sunrise}?
I have washed my feet{Great sea};
How can I defile them?
My beloved put his hand
By the latch of the door,
And my heart yearned for him. ect.

The course of the Sun and the Moon wants you to look at the New Moon when they become as one finding each other and setting with each other and then they move apart.

It wants you to look at the Total Solar Eclipse when the Moon bleeds and the Sun refuses to give it's light.

The Sun wants YOU to meet it in the sky.

''Let the Bridegroom come from it's chamber and the Bride from her dressing room.''

[Jacob_Rising]

The Equinox is coming.

[davetexas]

Yup, It is, But it's only telling you about the course of the Sun and the Moon.

It's a story about Solomon and the Shulamite.

The Sun and the Moon.

Song Of Solomon.

Solomon to the Bride{Sun to the Moon} I have come to my Garden, My sister, My spouse{Abram and Sari}; I have gathered my Myrrh with my spice; I have eaten My Honeycomb[Jonathon of Benjamin the Beloved} with my Honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk.

{God to the Couple}- Eat, O friends!
Drink, yes, drink Deeply,
O Beloved ones!

{Wife to daughter of Jerusalem{world} : The wife rebuffs her husband. I sleep{Moon} but my heart is awake; It is the voice of my beloved!
He knocks, saying, '' Open for me my sister, My love,
My dove, My perfect one;
For My head is covered with dew{morning}, My locks with the drops of the night.''

I have taken off my Robe;
How can I put it on again{Sunrise}?
I have washed my feet{Great sea};
How can I defile them?
My beloved put his hand
By the latch of the door,
And my heart yearned for him. ect.

The course of the Sun and the Moon wants you to look at the New Moon when they become as one finding each other and setting with each other and then they move apart.

It wants you to look at the Total Solar Eclipse when the Moon bleeds and the Sun refuses to give it's light.

The Sun wants YOU to meet it in the sky.

''Let the Bridegroom come from it's chamber and the Bride from her dressing room.''

This is a NT subject concerning the picture of the bride (the church) and the Groom(Jesus)

Rev 19
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

[davetexas]

Jewish Wedding
The first step, the Ketubah, or Betrothal,2 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) was the establishment of the marriage covenant, usually when the prospective bridegroom took the initiative3 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) and negotiated the price (mohair) he must pay to purchase her.4 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes)
Once the bridegroom paid the purchase price, the marriage covenant was established, and the young man and woman were regarded as husband and wife. 5 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) From that moment on, the bride was declared to be consecrated or sanctified - set apart - exclusively for her bridegroom.6 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) As a symbol of the covenant relationship that had been established, the groom and bride drank from a cup of wine over which the betrothal had been pronounced.7 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes)


The Ultimate Bride
The New Testament portrays the Church as the Bride of Christ in Ephesians 5:22-33 (Paul even quotes Genesis 2:24 as the union at the Parousia of the Bridegroom in v.31!); cf. Romans 7:4; 2 Corinthians 11:2; James 4:4. In the opening verses of John 14, the marriage covenant is confirmed. 21 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) Paul continually reminds us of the purchase price 22 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) and the covenant23 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes) by which we, the Bride, are set apart, or sanctified.24 (http://www.khouse.org/articles/2003/449/#notes)

[davetexas]

here is another brief outline of the beautiful depiction of the bride and groom


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish woman indicates acceptance of the man's proposal by drinking a cup of wine

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus passed the cup of wine at the Last Supper and when we drink we accept being His bride


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man would pay a price to the parent's of his new bride

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus Christ paid the price for us as His bride with His life


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man would then give his betrothed gifts

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus Christ gave us, His betrothed, the Holy Spirit


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man would then go a build a place for them to live once married

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus Christ said, "I go to prepare a place for you."


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man then goes for his bride at midnight with a host of people, shouting and blowing the shofar for his bride

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man and wife then spend 7 days alone to consummate the marriage in their wedding chamber

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..The Lord and his bride, the church, shall spend 7 years alone to consummate the marriage, during the 7 years of tribulation

[Jacob_Rising]

This is a NT subject concerning the picture of the bride (the church) and the Groom(Jesus)

Rev 19
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.When the Moon is full, Look up and see what color it is.

Here is another banquet that happens on the same day, and this day is ruled by the Sun and the Moon.

Revelation 19:17 Then I saw an Angel standing in the Sun{eclipse}; And he cried with a Loud voice, saying to all the birds of that fly in the midst of Heaven,'' Come and gather together for the Supper of the Great God.'' That you may eat the flesh of Kings, The flesh of Captains, The flesh of Mighty men,The flesh of Horses and of those who sit on them, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, both small and great.

19:13 the eclipse '' He was clothed with a Robe dipped in Blood''

The wedding supper is in the Theme of the festival of Sukkot. During Sukkot, The people are instructed by God to build a temporary structure and they are instructed to eat THERE. When they eat, They are to set a plate for 7 different people.

Mathew 8:11 '' And I say to you that many will come from East to west, and sit down with Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob{4more} in the kingdom of heaven.

But the sons of the kingdom will be cast to outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of Teeth.

'' So he said to him'' Friend, How did you come in here without a wedding Garment?'' And he was speechless.

Then the King said to his servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, Take him away and cast him into outer darkness; There will be weeping and gnashing of Teeth.' ''For many are called, But few are chosen.''

''Not everyone who says to me,' Lord, Lord,' shall enter the Kingdom of heave{Abundant life}, but he who does the will of my father in heaven. '' Many will say to me in That day,' Lord,Lord, have we not Prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name? ''And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; Depart from me, you who practice Lawlessness!.

I remember the excat Moment when I learned the truth of this scripture and how terrified I was that I didn't know anything about a Ketuba or the days of Rehearsal or the wedding Garment.

Those who throw off the Law do not know that we are in Teshuva right now.

They don't know the New moon is the 18th.

It is an extreemly hard thing to become one of the very few who are chosen and I'm not saying I am one of those people, But the people who are chosen are the ones who do not practice Torahlessness and who know all about all the rehearsals of the wedding because they rehearse them.

All the Holy days of the Ketuba are set up to rehearse for that final day when the Bridroom comes for his bride but if the bride is not aware of the times or the season, the bridegroom will not know her and she will not be dressed.

The Only reason people run around saying,'' Who are the two witnessess, who are the two witnesses'' because they don't know anything about the wedding and what the Two witnessess duty is.
Every wedding will have two witnesses. They are called the friends of the Bridegroom. One is assigned to the Groom, and one is assigned to the Bride.

Shemot 19:17, Moshe is seen as one of the two witnessess whose job it is to escort the bride to meet the Bridegroom under the Chupa. In order for the ketuba to be legal in consummating the marriage, it must be signed by two witnessess, The friends of the Bridegroom.

Moshe had to sign the Ketuba in order for the full marriage between God and Israel to be consummated,

But when Moshe came down from the Chupa, he did not sign the ketuba, instead he broke the two tablets, which were in his right hand, and thus not signing the Ketuba, which God made for Israel. Therefore he did allow Israel to fully marry God.

The reason Moshe broke the Tablets is because they were not interested in the ways of God but they chose to be interested in the ways of other Gods.

I say, '' Let the Groom come from his chamber and the bride from her dressing room'' Because the dressing room is the Chupa, The closet.

It's just not enough to say,'' Lord, Lord'' and expect to be the very few found in the Narrow way of abundant life.

The bride has to know all the days of Rehearsal, including Sabbath each week because it is a weekly commemoration of the 7 days that the Bride and groom stay within the wedding chamber.

The Sabbath, Shavuot, Pesach,Rosh Hashannah,Teshuva, Yom Kippor, Sukkot, The great Hosannah, Simchat Torah, Shimini Etzereth, Purim, Channakah, ect.

These are the rehearsal days that lead up to the wedding and to know them is to know God, and the time of your visitation.

All of them culminate into one single day, The last trump.

Or it will be said, '' Depart from me, you who practice Torahlessness'' Because to abandon the ways of the Torah is to abandon the rehearsal days of the wedding.

Just my opinions of course.

I'm just glad there is still hope for those who are cast into outer darkness because that's where I have always seen myself going.

[Jacob_Rising]

People really should seek out the two witnesses and it's not real hard to figure out who they are.

They are the one's who practice Torah, and they are the ones who decide if they will sign your marriage contract between God, because without the love of the witness, there is no singnature, and thus the marriage is annulled and you are cast into outer darkness in my opinion.

[Stantz]

food at a Jewish Wedding is enough to rapture your stomach

http://jeffpicard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/rim-shot-johnny-utah.thumbnail.jpg

[davetexas]

here is another brief outline of the beautiful depiction of the bride and groom


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish woman indicates acceptance of the man's proposal by drinking a cup of wine

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus passed the cup of wine at the Last Supper and when we drink we accept being His bride


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man would pay a price to the parent's of his new bride

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus Christ paid the price for us as His bride with His life


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man would then give his betrothed gifts

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus Christ gave us, His betrothed, the Holy Spirit


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man would then go a build a place for them to live once married

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus Christ said, "I go to prepare a place for you."


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man then goes for his bride at midnight with a host of people, shouting and blowing the shofar for his bride

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish man and wife then spend 7 days alone to consummate the marriage in their wedding chamber

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..The Lord and his bride, the church, shall spend 7 years alone to consummate the marriage, during the 7 years of tribulation


This adds a whole new meaning to what Jesus said at the last supper

Matt 26;
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.


Note that the bride was offered the wine in the Jewish custom of marriage at the "proposal" and she showed her acceptance in drinking it.

Now here is Jesus doing just that and also telling his bride he will consummate the marriage one day in heaven

[Jacob_Rising]

here is another brief outline of the beautiful depiction of the bride and groom


JEWISH WEDDING..The Jewish woman indicates acceptance of the man's proposal by drinking a cup of wine

MESSIAH'S WEDDING..Jesus passed the cup of wine at the Last Supper and when we drink we accept being His bride


There is no, '' We'' Here.

Luke 22:20 Is between the desciples of Jesus who gave up their entire lives and walked just as he walked in the law.

They were killed just as he was killed and they served just as he served.

Luke 22:28 '' But you are those who have continued with me in MY Trials.

John 3:29 '' He who has the Bride is the BrideGroom; But the friend of the brideGroom, who stands and hears HIM, rejoices greatly because of the Bridegrooms voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled..

The Friend of The Bridegroom stands outside the door. All the assembled guests of the wedding are gathered outside, waiting for the Bridegroom to announce the consummation of the Marriage, which is relayed to him by the Bridegroom.

This is John the Baptist in his day and it is still daytime but the night comes and in the Morning the Linen must be brought out for everyone to see the bloodstains and sacrifice of the bride to prove her virginity.

Devarim 22;13 '' If any man takes a wife, and goes into her, and detests her, '' and charges her with shamefull conduct, and brings a bad name against her, and says,'' I took this woman, and when I came to her I found that she was not a Virgin,'' Then the father and mother of the young woman shall take and bring out the evidence of the young women's virginity to the elders of the city at the gate...................

The point here is that in the morning which is coming, it will be found out who the real virgins are and who has the bloodstains and who doesn't.

The ones who are not virgins will be killed by the beloved of the Lord.

Genisis 49:27 '' Benjamin is a ravenous wolf, In the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoils.''

It's not hard to figure out who the virgins are.

Revelation 14 tells you exactly who they are.

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with him one hundred and forty four thousand, having his father's name written on their foreheads{Exodus13}

These are the ones who were not defiled with women{flesh}, For they are virgins.

These are the ones who follow the lamb wherever he goes. These were redeemed from among men being firsfruits to God and the lamb.

They are the Only one's resurrected in incorruption and being the firstfruits to God and the lamb.

Why?

Here is the patience of the Saints: Here are those who keep the commandments of God and the Faith of Jesus.

[Koushi Shinigami]

It is so uncanny,the picture that emerges from looking closely at the Jewish wedding and the wedding between Jesus and the church

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ua0uc6vaoM

I can't view the vid here at work.

Is there any chance that the fact that Jesus was Jewish have anything to do with it?

[davetexas]

I can't view the vid here at work.

Is there any chance that the fact that Jesus was Jewish have anything to do with it?

Yes very much so

[davetexas]

here is one more reference to the Jewish wedding
http://thesagejournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=29 (http://thesagejournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=29)
The Ancient Jewish Wedding
When a man desired to marry a woman in ancient Israel , his father sent his servant, known as the agent of the father, to find an appropriate bride. A good example of this can be read in Genesis 24 where Abraham sent Eliezer for this purpose. Once the father found a suitable young woman, he and his son prepared a marriage contract, or covenant. This marriage contract, (ketubah, in Hebrew) outlined what he would do for her, but most importantly, what he was willing to pay as the bride price (mohar).
A Bloody Price
The greater his love for the young woman, the greater the mohar was given in exchange for permission to marry her. It was usually quite high. Sons were more valuable than daughters since they performed work the daughter couldn’t. It was through the mohar that the father was compensated for the cost of raising a daughter.
Luke 22:20: "This is my body given for you.”
The Bible-Our Covenant
Assuming the father approved the ketubah, the young woman entered the room and the “cup of the covenant” was poured. If she approved, she drank the cup. If not, she poured it out (“spilled the blood,”) on the ketubah and walked away.

[davetexas]

It has been 2000 years since Jesus was crucified and resurrected

(Note that a thousand years is as a day)

Gifts
After she drank, the groom gave something of value to the bride and she accepted it, just as we exchange rings today. They were then legally bound to each other, but didn’t live together. This was the first stage of marriage, and lasted from 1-2 years. During this time the bride and bridegroom prepared for the marriage and didn’t see each other.

Did you notice the correlation?
2 days?.................2000 years?

THEN they see each other again. Could this be the rapture?

[Jacob_Rising]

here is one more reference to the Jewish wedding
http://thesagejournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=29 (http://thesagejournal.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=29)
The Ancient Jewish Wedding
When a man desired to marry a woman in ancient Israel , his father sent his servant, known as the agent of the father, to find an appropriate bride. A good example of this can be read in Genesis 24 where Abraham sent Eliezer for this purpose. Once the father found a suitable young woman, he and his son prepared a marriage contract, or covenant. This marriage contract, (ketubah, in Hebrew) outlined what he would do for her, but most importantly, what he was willing to pay as the bride price (mohar).
A Bloody Price
The greater his love for the young woman, the greater the mohar was given in exchange for permission to marry her. It was usually quite high. Sons were more valuable than daughters since they performed work the daughter couldn’t. It was through the mohar that the father was compensated for the cost of raising a daughter.
Luke 22:20: "This is my body given for you.”
The Bible-Our Covenant
Assuming the father approved the ketubah, the young woman entered the room and the “cup of the covenant” was poured. If she approved, she drank the cup. If not, she poured it out (“spilled the blood,”) on the ketubah and walked away. You Found The Truth.

It's the Gospel that is preached in the last days and if you keep studying it, You will find all the Holy days wrapped up within the wedding and the wedding is just in a few days from now.

We don't know what year but we know what day.

Good for You David, You found it.

It's like magic isn't it?

It's not just uncanny.

[pillgrim]

This is a great thread. Please carry on. I'd like to learn more.

[davetexas]

This is a great thread. Please carry on. I'd like to learn more.

Some time back I began to take a look at the whole bride/bridegroom thing. It totally blew me away(the concept) How could I,a man,be a bride?
But lo,that is actually backwards. It is the "picture" of the earthly bride pointing to the True bride,the body of Christ.

Once I saw the marriage supper of the lamb in connection with the "last supper" It really spoke to me.

note col 2;
"16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Any good Jew (I assume) would know this speaks of the Jewish feasts.
It is saying quite literally,that those feasts point to heavenly things.

Take passover;The bread is unleavened........Jesus had no sin. The bread is striped(in cooking of it) ..Jesus took the "stripes" of the whip. The bread has holes all in it. Jesus was pierced on the cross. The bread is hidden by the children....Jesus was buried (hidden)

A beautiful depiction of Christ.

Now just recently I have looked at Rosh Hashana,and the connection to the Rapture.

Do you know that there are 7 Days following Rosh Hashanah (feast of trumpets) correlating exactly to the 7 years of tribulation the earth will face?

Now for the part that blew me away;The Jewish man and wife then spend 7 days alone to consummate the marriage in their wedding chamber.

This is too much too be a coincidence

Then at the end of the 7 yrs (days) the next feast YOM KIPPUR ...DAY OF ATONEMENT.

I am almost beside myself to think his coming is here........literally it "could " be the feast of trumpets.

And you see how little interest this thread is.

It is scripture fulfilled. For it is written 2 peter 3;4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. ..........

................8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

.......and it has been 2000 yrs since he departed......
I know another "2"............The 2 yr period when the bride doesn't see her groom in the Jewish wedding custom

[Jacob_Rising]

(feast of trumpets) Yom Hakeseh{The Hidden Day}

The Last Trump{Shofar}

The resurrection of the dead{Natzal}

Kiddusgin/Nesu'in {The Wedding Ceremony}

The Opening of the Gates{Released like calves from the stall.}

Yom Hazikkaron {The day of Rememberence or Memorial}

Teshuvah{Repentence}

Rosh Hahsannah {Head of the year, Birthday of the World}

Yom Hadin{ The day of Judgmnet}

Ha Melech {The Coronation of the Messiah}

Yom Teruah {The day of the awakening Blast}

I would suggest that this is the rapture, But your Body isn't taken to heaven, You are only resurrected from your own body.

You are released from the stall.
1st Peter tells us that there is a Hidden man within us.

That is the hidden man of Resurrection.

[captusa]

This is a NT subject concerning the picture of the bride (the church) and the Groom(Jesus)

Rev 19
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Obviously since Jesus was Jewish and Christianity evolved from Judaism and the OT that any analogy of a marriage would refer to Jewish tradition.

[Jacob_Rising]

Obviously since Jesus was Jewish and Christianity evolved from Judaism and the OT that any analogy of a marriage would refer to Jewish tradition.All Jewish Tradition is an anology of a Jewish wedding, all the days.

There isn't any Jewish day or Ritural that I cannot connect the dots to a Jewish wedding.

The entire Bible from Old to New is about the Jewish wedding.

It is a Ketuba, a Marriage contract, and everything in it are instruction for the wedding.

The wedding is 6 days from now and everything we do today should be in Preperation for this Great day, The Horns have been sounding every morning allready.

The Only problem is that we have no instruction on the preperation because we are not learned in Jewish law and ritural and we need a teacher.

[Abe]

...Christianity evolved from Judaism...What? Evolution? Again? :)):))

[davetexas]

Obviously since Jesus was Jewish and Christianity evolved from Judaism and the OT that any analogy of a marriage would refer to Jewish tradition.


Yes and the feasts as well. Good point

[Abe]

Do you know that there are 7 Days following Rosh Hashanah (feast of trumpets) correlating exactly to the 7 years of tribulation the earth will face?

Now for the part that blew me away;The Jewish man and wife then spend 7 days alone to consummate the marriage in their wedding chamber.

This is too much too be a coincidence

Then at the end of the 7 yrs (days) the next feast YOM KIPPUR ...DAY OF ATONEMENT.

I'm not goimg to say anything about your beliefs. You're as entitled to them as I am to mine. Just two little remarks.

1) There are 10 days between Rosh HaShana and Yom Kippur, not 7. They are called The Days of Awe, ( הימים הנוראים).

2) Most Jews would not be happy with your calling Yom Kippur a "feast". Some would be offended.

[davetexas]

I'm not goimg to say anything about your beliefs. You're as entitled to them as I am to mine. Just two little remarks.

1) There are 10 days between Rosh HaShana and Yom Kippur, not 7. They are called The Days of Awe, ( הימים הנוראים).

2) Most Jews would not be happy with your calling Yom Kippur a "feast". Some would be offended.


RoshHashana is Sept 19th and 20th

Yom Kippur is sept 28th

Exactly 7 days in between.

Note the words of God to Moses
Lev 23
23And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

24Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. 28And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.

I am looking at a Jewish calendar and you can count them yourself. Exactly seven days.

And no ,nobody will get offended calling them holidays or feasts.

But you did get the 'days of awe' right. That is what they are called.

This is such common knowledge. I can't believe you don't check a little closer.:D:D:D

[Jacob_Rising]

RoshHashana is Sept 19th and 20th

Yom Kippur is sept 28th

Exactly 7 days in between.

Note the words of God to Moses
Lev 23
23And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

24Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
25Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
26And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
27Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD. 28And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.

I am looking at a Jewish calendar and you can count them yourself. Exactly seven days.

And no ,nobody will get offended calling them holidays or feasts.

But you did get the 'days of awe' right. That is what they are called.

This is such common knowledge. I can't believe you don't check a little closer.:D:D:DThis Common Knowledge is so common that you said it yourself, '' On the Tenth day of the 7th month''

Count them, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10th.

Rosh Hashannah is the first day of the 7th month , Yom Kippor is the 10th day of the 7th month, Feast of Tabernacles follows that.

[davetexas]

I'm not goimg to say anything about your beliefs. You're as entitled to them as I am to mine. Just two little remarks.

1) There are 10 days between Rosh HaShana and Yom Kippur, not 7. They are called The Days of Awe, ( הימים הנוראים).

2) Most Jews would not be happy with your calling Yom Kippur a "feast". Some would be offended.


The Jewish calendar is lunar. And the holiday actually starts the day before.

I found this. It may help you to understand the Jewish holidays

http://biblicalholidays.com/images/roshicon.gifFeast of Trumpets/ RoshHashana

The Feast of Trumpets (Rosh Hashanah) is the Jewish New Year, and begins the high Holy Days in the seventh month (corresponding to September or October). It is a celebration of the spiritual birthday of the world or creation, and is celebrated with blowing of the trumpets (Lev. 23:23-25). The Feast of Trumpets is a powerful prophetic look at the final days and Messiah’s return. Jewish eschatology teaches that on the Day of Atonement after six thousand years are complete, the Day of the Lord will come. On that day the shofar will sound and the righteous will be resurrected (Rev. 3:7-11).
http://biblicalholidays.com/images/iconyomk.gifThe Day of Atonement /Yom Kipper

The holiest day in the Jewish year (a fast day not a feast day), the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), is spent in fasting, prayer, and confession. This was one gracious day a year given by God that each individual could receive forgiveness. The high priest enters the holy of holies to make atonement for the nation by sacrificing an animal (Lev. 23:26-32). Jesus has provided our atonement, “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God…” (Rom. 3:23) and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Him.

http://biblicalholidays.com/fall_holidays.htm

[davetexas]

This Common Knowledge is so common that you said it yourself, '' On the Tenth day of the 7th month''

Count them, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10th.

Rosh Hashannah is the first day of the 7th month , Yom Kippor is the 10th day of the 7th month, Feast of Tabernacles follows that.

Yes you got it right.
Now count in between
Glad we agree

Edit;RoshHashana is Sept 19th and 20th

Yom Kippur is sept 28th

Exactly 7 days in between.

[Jacob_Rising]

If you want to find the 7's, Look to the Feast of Tabernacles because it is wrapped up in the number 7.

The Great 3 feasts that all Israelis must be present are all 7 days just as the Sabbath looks to the 7th day but the Feast of Tabernacles is unique in it's 7's.

The feast of Tabernacles is the feast that has not been fulfilled By Jesus as we say Passover was, and Pentacost was, Tabernacles has not.

They are Harvest and the land is strickly connected with the history of the people and both the land and the history are linked with the Mission of Israel.
The Beginning Harvest is Passover which looks back to the birth of Israel but we say it looked forward to Jesus.

The Corn Harvest of Pentecost looks back to the Giving of the law and we say it looked forward to the giving of the spirit on the day of Pentecost.

So what does the Feast of Tabernacles look back to?

It is the Thanksgiving Harvest that reminds Israel on one hand of their dwelling in Booths in the wilderness, while on the other hand, It points to the Final Harvest when Israel's mission would be completed and all nations gathered to the Lord. This is the feast of Nations spoken of Zechariah saying,'' All flesh will celebrate this feast in the future''

In Fact, Tabernacles is what brings peace because it is what unites the world under one thanksgiving harvest of Nations. This is a great day of Joy because the peoples fate had been decided on Yom Kippor and this is the relif and Joy after the days of Teshuvah and repentence and judgment.
The first of the 3 Great annual feasts spoke, in the presentation of the first sheaf, of the founding of the church; The second of it's harvesting, when the church in it's present state should be presented as two leavened wave-loaves; While the 3rd and final pointed forward to the full harvest of all nations in the end of the mission and it's completion, when, ' In this mountain shall the Lord of Hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things.And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all the people, and the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory and wipe away all tears and hunger; And the rebuke of his people Israel will be taken away.

Where the 7th day Sabbath is in Reference to the week, The 7th month is in Reference to the year. It closes not only the sacred calender but also the agriculture or working year.

It also marks the change of seasons, the approach of rain and of the winter Equinox and also the beginning and the end of a Sabbatical year.

As compared with with the feats of unleavened bread, the number of Rams and lambs is doubled, while that of the Bullocks is 5 fold ,{14 during Passover week, 5 times 14 on Tabernacles} and all the sacrifices can be divided by the sacred number 7.

We have for a week 70 bullocks, 14 rams and 98 lambs alltogether 182{26 times 7}, to which must be added 336{48 times 7} tenths of ephahs of flour for the meat offering.

This feast is all I used to talk about when I came here about a decade ago.

This feast can actually be looked upon as Passovover to me because it falls on the same day of the Month and it has a day that concludes it just as Pentecost concludes Passover and the law is given on Pentecost, But the law is also given on the Octave of Tabernacles because the readings begin on it's octave.

70 bulls for 70 nations.

It's Octave is the beginning and end of the Torah Portions. It's the renewal of the Covenant with God and a feast of Joy because the sin had been taken away on Atonement, so that a Sanctified nation could rejoice.

[Jacob_Rising]

Yes you got it right.
Now count in between
Glad we agree

Edit;RoshHashana is Sept 19th and 20th

Yom Kippur is sept 28th

Exactly 7 days in between.Sorry Dave, I just don't see what you see.

I'm just glad you are interested in it.

[Jacob_Rising]

Maybe the Problem I am having is that I see no rapture whatsoever, I see the Lord coming to judge the church first and so many people die, saved, but they die.

The righteous are always the left behind.

What you see in a Rapture completely contradicts the wheat harvest which is the final harvest.

Jesus was asked what would happen in the last days and he told us about the enemy coming in the night planting Tares among the wheat and he answers the question saying, '' At the end of the age, FIRST, gather the tares and toss them to the Fire, THEN gather My wheat into the barn.

This is true everywhere I look, Zechariah and Paul say the same words, '' Then we who are left alive'' will then be caught up to God.

Being left alive means that you are the righteous and Jesus gives you the couples saying, 2 men in a bed, one taken and one left behind, 2 women grinding, one taken, one left behind.

The desciple asked Jesus,'' Where Lord?'' Meaning, '' Where are these people taken to Lord?

Jesus answers him saying, ''Wheresoever the Body is laying, that's where the vultures will gather to eat their flesh.

They are killed.

I don't even find this theory of the rapture before Ann Macdonald made it up and it became popular but it just doesn't fit into the Holy days and what happens.

In Revelation there are multitudes of all tongues, peoples and nations that just pop up in heaven before the throne who are saved and it's explained that these people die, But the Virgins are the left behind, The 144,000 who are called virgins and who are the only people who are resurrected in immortality of whom the second death has no judgment against.

Only the 144,000 are called the Firstfruits of resurrection following Christ's example and it doesn't show this happening to anyone else.

[MR. MISTER]

If you want to find the 7's, Look to the Feast of Tabernacles because it is wrapped up in the number 7.

The Great 3 feasts that all Israelis must be present are all 7 days just as the Sabbath looks to the 7th day but the Feast of Tabernacles is unique in it's 7's.


Shavuot is only 2 days (1 in Israel), not 7.

[meggers49]

People really should seek out the two witnesses and it's not real hard to figure out who they are.

They are the one's who practice Torah, and they are the ones who decide if they will sign your marriage contract between God, because without the love of the witness, there is no singnature, and thus the marriage is annulled and you are cast into outer darkness in my opinion.

I believe the two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah, as they are the only two who have not died, ergo, they can return to witness.

[MR. MISTER]

2) Most Jews would not be happy with your calling Yom Kippur a "feast". Some would be offended.
Also....

Never heard of Rosh Hashana referred to as the "Feast" of Trumpets.
"Day", yes, (Yom Teruah) but not "feast"

[davetexas]

This Common Knowledge is so common that you said it yourself, '' On the Tenth day of the 7th month''

Count them, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10th.

Rosh Hashannah is the first day of the 7th month , Yom Kippor is the 10th day of the 7th month, Feast of Tabernacles follows that.


Feast of trumpets (according to my JEWISH CALLENDER WHICH MY JEWISH FRIEND HANDED ME FROM ISRAEL WHEN HE VISITED LAST FALL)
Will occur on the 1st and second day of the Jewish new year. (Sept 19th and 20th)

Now let us count the days between Rosh Hashanna (feast of trumpets) and the day of atonement (note I did not call it a feast)


21st or Tishrei 3
22nd or Tishrei 4
23rd or Tishrei 5
24th or Tishrei 6.....................................these are the 7 days between the (do I dare
25th or Tishrei 7 .....................................say holidays)
26th or Tishrei 8
27th or Tishrei 9


Now Yom Kippur -29th or Tishrei 10

I will not question your motive but it is splitting hairs on a remarkable level,your correction,or attempted correction of me

[davetexas]

Also....

Never heard of Rosh Hashana referred to as the "Feast" of Trumpets.
"Day". yes (Yom Hazikaron), but not "feast"


Wiki-;
"The term "Rosh Hashanah" does not appear in the Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah). Leviticus 23:24 (http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Leviticus&verse=23:24&src=HE) refers to the festival of the first day of the seventh month as "Zicaron Terua" ("a memorial with the blowing of horns"). Numbers 29:1 (http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Numbers&verse=29:1&src=HE) calls the festival Yom Terua, ("Day of blowing the horn") and defines the nature of animal sacrifices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sacrifice) that were to be performed.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah#cite_note-Jacobs-5)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah#cite_note-6) (In Ezekiel 40:1 (http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=%20Ezekiel&verse=40:1&src=HE) there is a general reference to the time of Yom Kippur as the "beginning of the year."[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah#cite_note-Jacobs-5) but it is not referring specifically to the holiday of Rosh HaShanah.)

also From wiki

"Since the time of the destruction of the Second Temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple) in Jerusalem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem) in 70 CE and the time of Rabban Yohanan ben Zakkai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yohanan_ben_Zakkai), normative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_(sociology)) Jewish law appears to be that Rosh Hashanah is to be celebrated for two days, due to the difficulty of determining the date of the new moon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_moon).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah#cite_note-Jacobs-5) Nonetheless, there is some evidence that Rosh Hashanah was celebrated on a single day in Israel as late as the thirteenth century CE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hashanah#cite_note-8) Orthodox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Judaism) and Conservative Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Judaism) now generally observe Rosh Hashanah for the first two days of Tishrei (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishrei), even in Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel) where all other Jewish holidays dated from the new moon (except Rosh Hodesh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosh_Hodesh) - the New Month, on which Rosh Hashanah falls) last only one day. The two days of Rosh Hashanah are said to constitute "Yoma Arichtah" (Aramaic: "one long day"). The observance of a second day is a later addition and does not follow from the literal reading of Leviticus. In Reconstructionist Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstructionist_Judaism) and Reform Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reform_Judaism), some communities only observe the first day of Rosh Hashanah, while others observe two days. Karaite Jews (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_Judaism), who do not recognize Jewish oral law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_law#Oral_law_in_Judaism) and rely solely on Biblical authority, observe only one day on the first of Tishrei, since the second day is not mentioned in the Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah)."



The trumpets are blown 100 times during the feast of trummpets
http://www.holidays.net/highholydays/shofar.htm

[davetexas]

If you want to find the 7's, Look to the Feast of Tabernacles because it is wrapped up in the number 7.

The Great 3 feasts that all Israelis must be present are all 7 days just as the Sabbath looks to the 7th day but the Feast of Tabernacles is unique in it's 7's.

The feast of Tabernacles is the feast that has not been fulfilled By Jesus as we say Passover was, and Pentacost was, Tabernacles has not.

They are Harvest and the land is strickly connected with the history of the people and both the land and the history are linked with the Mission of Israel.
The Beginning Harvest is Passover which looks back to the birth of Israel but we say it looked forward to Jesus.

The Corn Harvest of Pentecost looks back to the Giving of the law and we say it looked forward to the giving of the spirit on the day of Pentecost.

So what does the Feast of Tabernacles look back to?

It is the Thanksgiving Harvest that reminds Israel on one hand of their dwelling in Booths in the wilderness, while on the other hand, It points to the Final Harvest when Israel's mission would be completed and all nations gathered to the Lord. This is the feast of Nations spoken of Zechariah saying,'' All flesh will celebrate this feast in the future''

In Fact, Tabernacles is what brings peace because it is what unites the world under one thanksgiving harvest of Nations. This is a great day of Joy because the peoples fate had been decided on Yom Kippor and this is the relif and Joy after the days of Teshuvah and repentence and judgment.
The first of the 3 Great annual feasts spoke, in the presentation of the first sheaf, of the founding of the church; The second of it's harvesting, when the church in it's present state should be presented as two leavened wave-loaves; While the 3rd and final pointed forward to the full harvest of all nations in the end of the mission and it's completion, when, ' In this mountain shall the Lord of Hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things.And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all the people, and the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory and wipe away all tears and hunger; And the rebuke of his people Israel will be taken away.

Where the 7th day Sabbath is in Reference to the week, The 7th month is in Reference to the year. It closes not only the sacred calender but also the agriculture or working year.

It also marks the change of seasons, the approach of rain and of the winter Equinox and also the beginning and the end of a Sabbatical year.

As compared with with the feats of unleavened bread, the number of Rams and lambs is doubled, while that of the Bullocks is 5 fold ,{14 during Passover week, 5 times 14 on Tabernacles} and all the sacrifices can be divided by the sacred number 7.

We have for a week 70 bullocks, 14 rams and 98 lambs alltogether 182{26 times 7}, to which must be added 336{48 times 7} tenths of ephahs of flour for the meat offering.

This feast is all I used to talk about when I came here about a decade ago.

This feast can actually be looked upon as Passovover to me because it falls on the same day of the Month and it has a day that concludes it just as Pentecost concludes Passover and the law is given on Pentecost, But the law is also given on the Octave of Tabernacles because the readings begin on it's octave.

70 bulls for 70 nations.

It's Octave is the beginning and end of the Torah Portions. It's the renewal of the Covenant with God and a feast of Joy because the sin had been taken away on Atonement, so that a Sanctified nation could rejoice.


This has zero to do with the OP..........just tooting your horn?

Sorry for the pun:D:D:D:D:D

[MR. MISTER]

Wiki-;
The trumpets are blown 100 times during the feast of trummpets
http://www.holidays.net/highholydays/shofar.htm

From your link -

The Jewish Holiday of Rosh Hashanah is widely known and celebrated as the New Years Day of the Jewish calendar, but actually Rosh Hashanah has a fourfold meaning - It is the Jewish New Year, the Day of Judgment, the Day of Remembrance, and the Day of Shofar Blowing.
I'll be sure to ask my Rabbi about this "feast of trumpets" thing.

[davetexas]

From your link -

I'll be sure to ask my Rabbi about this "feast of trumpets" thing.


Just do your own study ,I personally have a lot of fun doing it.

[MR. MISTER]

Just do your own study ,I personally have a lot of fun doing it.
I've been studying (and living) it my whole life.

[davetexas]

Maybe the Problem I am having is that I see no rapture whatsoever, I see the Lord coming to judge the church first and so many people die, saved, but they die.

The righteous are always the left behind.

What you see in a Rapture completely contradicts the wheat harvest which is the final harvest.

Jesus was asked what would happen in the last days and he told us about the enemy coming in the night planting Tares among the wheat and he answers the question saying, '' At the end of the age, FIRST, gather the tares and toss them to the Fire, THEN gather My wheat into the barn.

This is true everywhere I look, Zechariah and Paul say the same words, '' Then we who are left alive'' will then be caught up to God.

Being left alive means that you are the righteous and Jesus gives you the couples saying, 2 men in a bed, one taken and one left behind, 2 women grinding, one taken, one left behind.

The desciple asked Jesus,'' Where Lord?'' Meaning, '' Where are these people taken to Lord?

Jesus answers him saying, ''Wheresoever the Body is laying, that's where the vultures will gather to eat their flesh.

They are killed.

I don't even find this theory of the rapture before Ann Macdonald made it up and it became popular but it just doesn't fit into the Holy days and what happens.

In Revelation there are multitudes of all tongues, peoples and nations that just pop up in heaven before the throne who are saved and it's explained that these people die, But the Virgins are the left behind, The 144,000 who are called virgins and who are the only people who are resurrected in immortality of whom the second death has no judgment against.

Only the 144,000 are called the Firstfruits of resurrection following Christ's example and it doesn't show this happening to anyone else.


Quote;
"I don't even find this theory of the rapture before Ann Macdonald made it up and it became popular but it just doesn't fit into the Holy days and what happens."

Could you please give me her specific quote?

[davetexas]

If you want to find the 7's, Look to the Feast of Tabernacles because it is wrapped up in the number 7.

The Great 3 feasts that all Israelis must be present are all 7 days just as the Sabbath looks to the 7th day but the Feast of Tabernacles is unique in it's 7's.

The feast of Tabernacles is the feast that has not been fulfilled By Jesus as we say Passover was, and Pentacost was, Tabernacles has not.

They are Harvest and the land is strickly connected with the history of the people and both the land and the history are linked with the Mission of Israel.
The Beginning Harvest is Passover which looks back to the birth of Israel but we say it looked forward to Jesus.

The Corn Harvest of Pentecost looks back to the Giving of the law and we say it looked forward to the giving of the spirit on the day of Pentecost.

So what does the Feast of Tabernacles look back to?

It is the Thanksgiving Harvest that reminds Israel on one hand of their dwelling in Booths in the wilderness, while on the other hand, It points to the Final Harvest when Israel's mission would be completed and all nations gathered to the Lord. This is the feast of Nations spoken of Zechariah saying,'' All flesh will celebrate this feast in the future''

In Fact, Tabernacles is what brings peace because it is what unites the world under one thanksgiving harvest of Nations. This is a great day of Joy because the peoples fate had been decided on Yom Kippor and this is the relif and Joy after the days of Teshuvah and repentence and judgment.
The first of the 3 Great annual feasts spoke, in the presentation of the first sheaf, of the founding of the church; The second of it's harvesting, when the church in it's present state should be presented as two leavened wave-loaves; While the 3rd and final pointed forward to the full harvest of all nations in the end of the mission and it's completion, when, ' In this mountain shall the Lord of Hosts make unto all people a feast of fat things.And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all the people, and the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory and wipe away all tears and hunger; And the rebuke of his people Israel will be taken away.

Where the 7th day Sabbath is in Reference to the week, The 7th month is in Reference to the year. It closes not only the sacred calender but also the agriculture or working year.

It also marks the change of seasons, the approach of rain and of the winter Equinox and also the beginning and the end of a Sabbatical year.

As compared with with the feats of unleavened bread, the number of Rams and lambs is doubled, while that of the Bullocks is 5 fold ,{14 during Passover week, 5 times 14 on Tabernacles} and all the sacrifices can be divided by the sacred number 7.

We have for a week 70 bullocks, 14 rams and 98 lambs alltogether 182{26 times 7}, to which must be added 336{48 times 7} tenths of ephahs of flour for the meat offering.

This feast is all I used to talk about when I came here about a decade ago.

This feast can actually be looked upon as Passovover to me because it falls on the same day of the Month and it has a day that concludes it just as Pentecost concludes Passover and the law is given on Pentecost, But the law is also given on the Octave of Tabernacles because the readings begin on it's octave.

70 bulls for 70 nations.

It's Octave is the beginning and end of the Torah Portions. It's the renewal of the Covenant with God and a feast of Joy because the sin had been taken away on Atonement, so that a Sanctified nation could rejoice.


Got a link?

[Jacob_Rising]

Got a link?Hebraic Instititute.org, I believe but everything I say is partly from the founder of this in his book, '' The 7 festivals of the Messiah''

I'm on my 3rd copy of this book and it is worn down.

The author is Eddy Chumney and if you want to find the rapture in the feasts, Eddie will show you the Rapture but I disagree with him, Nevertheles, it's an awesome book.

Most of what I wrote in that post came from,''Alfred Edershein'' and his book called ,'' The Temple''

One of my Favorite books and it's my 2cnd copy of that book which is taped up and missing pages. It's such an awesome book, I hate to be without it.

Another book by Chumney I have is, '' Who is the Bride of Christ'' which is another awesome book.

He also wrote a book about Joseph being Gentiles and explains how gentiles are grafted through the Ten lost tribes of Israel.

I have yet to read that book but he is the one who gave me this concept of Joseph being gentiles and gentiles being grafted through the House of Israel called, The kingdom of Ephraim, or the house of Joseph.

I don't agree with Everything Chumney says, just like I don't agree with his rapture thing.

Ann Macdonald was a woman who saw that Revelation was talking about the 7 hills of Rome, and she saw that this would become the seat of the Anti-Christ and so she had to have a theory of a Rapture before the fire, AND then the 7 hills would be taken over by the wicked.

She saw the need for a Rapture and in my opinion, she invented this theory.

But I see no need to change anything about the 7 hills or even the need to say that the 7 hills is specifically speaking of Rome because he could have been speaking of America at the same time because we are structured after this same Rome.

You can Google Ann Macdonald and Rapture and find your own position.

If you want any of these books, I would be more than happy to provide them to anyone, I would prepay for them and leave them under {DaveTexas} and you could pick them up at a bookstore near you.

I hope that isn't against the rules but I would sure find alot of peace if I thought I was leading just anybody to take a look at how beautiful these feast days are, and how important they are.

In my opinion, Knowing these Holy days is to know the Messiah because he is Lord of all these days and they all speak and teach of Him, To Know him.

[davetexas]

Hebraic Instititute.org, I believe but everything I say is partly from the founder of this in his book, '' The 7 festivals of the Messiah''

I'm on my 3rd copy of this book and it is worn down.

The author is Eddy Chumney and if you want to find the rapture in the feasts, Eddie will show you the Rapture but I disagree with him, Nevertheles, it's an awesome book.

Most of what I wrote in that post came from,''Alfred Edershein'' and his book called ,'' The Temple''

One of my Favorite books and it's my 2cnd copy of that book which is taped up and missing pages. It's such an awesome book, I hate to be without it.

Another book by Chumney I have is, '' Who is the Bride of Christ'' which is another awesome book.

He also wrote a book about Joseph being Gentiles and explains how gentiles are grafted through the Ten lost tribes of Israel.

I have yet to read that book but he is the one who gave me this concept of Joseph being gentiles and gentiles being grafted through the House of Israel called, The kingdom of Ephraim, or the house of Joseph.

I don't agree with Everything Chumney says, just like I don't agree with his rapture thing.

Ann Macdonald was a woman who saw that Revelation was talking about the 7 hills of Rome, and she saw that this would become the seat of the Anti-Christ and so she had to have a theory of a Rapture before the fire, AND then the 7 hills would be taken over by the wicked.

She saw the need for a Rapture and in my opinion, she invented this theory.

But I see no need to change anything about the 7 hills or even the need to say that the 7 hills is specifically speaking of Rome because he could have been speaking of America at the same time because we are structured after this same Rome.

You can Google Ann Macdonald and Rapture and find your own position.

If you want any of these books, I would be more than happy to provide them to anyone, I would prepay for them and leave them under {DaveTexas} and you could pick them up at a bookstore near you.

I hope that isn't against the rules but I would sure find alot of peace if I thought I was leading just anybody to take a look at how beautiful these feast days are, and how important they are.

In my opinion, Knowing these Holy days is to know the Messiah because he is Lord of all these days and they all speak and teach of Him, To Know him.


Wow what a nice guy. You would do this for me?

[davetexas]

Hebraic Instititute.org, I believe but everything I say is partly from the founder of this in his book, '' The 7 festivals of the Messiah''

I'm on my 3rd copy of this book and it is worn down.

The author is Eddy Chumney and if you want to find the rapture in the feasts, Eddie will show you the Rapture but I disagree with him, Nevertheles, it's an awesome book.

Most of what I wrote in that post came from,''Alfred Edershein'' and his book called ,'' The Temple''

One of my Favorite books and it's my 2cnd copy of that book which is taped up and missing pages. It's such an awesome book, I hate to be without it.

Another book by Chumney I have is, '' Who is the Bride of Christ'' which is another awesome book.

He also wrote a book about Joseph being Gentiles and explains how gentiles are grafted through the Ten lost tribes of Israel.

I have yet to read that book but he is the one who gave me this concept of Joseph being gentiles and gentiles being grafted through the House of Israel called, The kingdom of Ephraim, or the house of Joseph.

I don't agree with Everything Chumney says, just like I don't agree with his rapture thing.

Ann Macdonald was a woman who saw that Revelation was talking about the 7 hills of Rome, and she saw that this would become the seat of the Anti-Christ and so she had to have a theory of a Rapture before the fire, AND then the 7 hills would be taken over by the wicked.

She saw the need for a Rapture and in my opinion, she invented this theory.

But I see no need to change anything about the 7 hills or even the need to say that the 7 hills is specifically speaking of Rome because he could have been speaking of America at the same time because we are structured after this same Rome.

You can Google Ann Macdonald and Rapture and find your own position.

If you want any of these books, I would be more than happy to provide them to anyone, I would prepay for them and leave them under {DaveTexas} and you could pick them up at a bookstore near you.

I hope that isn't against the rules but I would sure find alot of peace if I thought I was leading just anybody to take a look at how beautiful these feast days are, and how important they are.

In my opinion, Knowing these Holy days is to know the Messiah because he is Lord of all these days and they all speak and teach of Him, To Know him.
I find it interesting that you believe in my mindless escapeism I somehow am connected to the supposed influence of some woman.

Now if you would please give me her specific quote that I follow and obey as her student and follower.

It is a very simple request.

I really want to know what her exact quote is and how you connect me personally to her. (just asking)

Or,did you just hear someone mention her so you decided if it was anti rapture,it must be true?:D:D:D:D:D:D:D (7 smileys)

Edit;
Nevermind I got it myself:eek:

[davetexas]

Well, we have all heard that ALL pre-trib believers erroneously follow a female that evidently lived some time ago. And her false erroneous vision/dream or whatever has misled thousands,or possibly millions with her false deception.:eek:

Well guess what? I am halfway through her little vision and it appears all pre tribbers are safe for now.

SHE APPEARS TO BE POST-TRIB AS DOES HER VISION.
She apparently believes the great tribulation will purify the bride.
Decide for yourself;

"I saw the people of God in an awfully dangerous situation, surrounded by nets and entanglements, about to be tried, and many about to be deceived and fall. Now will THE WICKED be revealed, with all power and signs and lying wonders, so that it it were possible the very elect will be deceived - This is the fiery trial which is to try us. - It will be for the purging and purifying of the real members of the body of Jesus; but Oh it will be a fiery trial. Every soul will he shaken to the very centre. The enemy will try to shake in every thing we have believed - but the trial of real faith will be found to honour and praise and glory. Nothing but what is of God will stand. The stony-ground hearers will be made manifest - the love of many will wax cold. "

I hope I am wrong ,as I would hate for you tribulation guys to end up with the same stigma that I have had to wade through. be attached to you as your core belief.:D

It will take a little practice,but rest assured,after years of receiving the false ascribing ,you will be a better person for it. I know I am:rolleyes:

Patience my man,patience:D:D:D

[Jacob_Rising]

Wow what a nice guy. You would do this for me?

No, I wouldn't do it for you, I would do it for me.

It's not that I am nice, But I'm greedy.

I EXPECT a return when I invest, and I don't see anything in this world to invest in but people themselves.

If I was given the chance to give you something so important, The Gain would be mine.

[davetexas]

No, I wouldn't do it for you, I would do it for me.

It's not that I am nice, But I'm greedy.

I EXPECT a return when I invest, and I don't see anything in this world to invest in but people themselves.

If I was given the chance to give you something so important, The Gain would be mine.


I like that!

I always thought I was a good investment:eek::eek::eek::idea::silenced:

[Jacob_Rising]

I like that!

I always thought I was a good investment:eek::eek::eek::idea::silenced:I'm sure you would be but all the books in the world will not help anyone that much.

If you are really intersted in Feasts and the Final Harvest, Then find out what you are supposed to do and do it earnestly.

Pray for the Rain as it says to in the last day, Pray for the Rain of the Fall Harvest when a Spirit is promised to come in the last days and the Prophecy fulfilled in saying, '' No longer will any man teach his neighbor , for they shall all Know me''

The New Testament tells you what the Holy spirit comes to do at the Last Feast of Tabernacles.

You must first believe the promise and ask for it because God is abundant in his gifts , giving to those who ask.

The Feast of Tabernacles invites you to open your Mouth wide and Drink and pray to the Lord to send the Rain upon you.

I believe that Time has come and God is giving his spirit to those who ask for the final rain that has been held back for the last appointed days.

There were many people around Jesus when he kept hinting about the question of asking but nobody asked.

Ask and you shall recieve, Believe in the Lord to give you a spirit to be taught things that books can't help you with.

He will bring the scriptures right back to your memory.

If this spirit was in the Hearts of all Christians then nobody would try and even preach because the Holy spirit would be there teaching you all things and Nobody would teach their neighbor, '' They will all know me''

[davetexas]

This adds a whole new meaning to what Jesus said at the last supper

Matt 26;
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. 29But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.


Note that the bride was offered the wine in the Jewish custom of marriage at the "proposal" and she showed her acceptance in drinking it.

Now here is Jesus doing just that and also telling his bride he will consummate the marriage one day in heaven


It is also noteworthy that the bride to be had the option to refuse the cup. Should she decide against her groom she simply poured out the cup and walked away.

This is a picture of rejection. And for the Lord it must really hurt him deeply. So many refuse him and reject his awesome gift of salvation.

John 14 (King James Version)


John 14


1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

The groom ascended to the father 2000 years ago to prepare a place for his bride.
That he should come back for her ,to consummate the marriage in heaven,at the marriage feast.

Be ready my friends.:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Abe]

Also....

Never heard of Rosh Hashana referred to as the "Feast" of Trumpets.
"Day", yes, (Yom Teruah) but not "feast"Very true.

[Jacob_Rising]

Also....

Never heard of Rosh Hashana referred to as the "Feast" of Trumpets.
"Day", yes, (Yom Teruah) but not "feast"

Yom Teruah means, '' The day of the awakening Blast''

The Trumpet.

Psalms 98:6, '' The day of the Sounding of the Shofar'', Awakening Blast.

We have in the New Testament 1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the Trumpet of God{Rosh Hashannah}. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

Shouting throughout the bible is related to The Trunpet in my opinion and we can see Isaiah talking about shouting and crying out in places that put you in Rosh Hashannah and in the fall harvest Rain. Isaiah 12,, Isaiah 42:11; 44;23, Jeremiah 31:7; Zephaniah 3:14; Zechariah 9;9.

Awake, Sleeper and rise from the dead.

Ephesians has many referrences to Rosh Hashannah{5:14}, 4:30--Being sealed unto the day of redemption, sealed unto the closing of the gates. Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippor terminology.

Isaiah speaking of the resurrection of Rosh Hashannah 26:19.
Your dead shall live; their corpses shall rise. You who lie in the dust, AWAKE and SHOUT for Joy.

I associate the word, '' AWAKE'' with the sounding Blast that wakes the dead and you can find this theme all over the Bible from Old to New like Daniel 12;1 That when you see the dead rise and Awake, You know that the Trumpet has sounded.

Everywhere I see a Trumpet , Shofar, Blown whether it is starting off the Sabbath or anywhere, it only points to the Last Trump in which the dead will rise.

Rosh Hashannah 16a; Rosh Hashannah 3;3, The Trumpet

According to Lev 23:24 and Numbers 29:1, Rosh Hashannah is the day of the Blowing of the Trumpetes but the Trumpet used is a Rams Horn{Flesh} and not made of Metal.

As far as I can see, when the Rabbis saw the words ,'' Awake,O Israel'' It was always associated with Rosh Hahsannah and the Trumpet is what wakes you. Thus, The feast of Trumpets and the rising of the Dead will shout to the Lord in that day and the shouts will be heard like a Lion's roar that the sound of it will bring down the walls of Jericho.

[Abe]

Also....

Never heard of Rosh Hashana referred to as the "Feast" of Trumpets.
"Day", yes, (Yom Teruah) but not "feast" "Teru'ah" תרועה, means "Raising the Voice in Praise."


Joshua 6:5

ה וְהָיָה בִּמְשֹׁךְ בְּקֶרֶן הַיּוֹבֵל, בשמעכם (כְּשָׁמְעֲכֶם) אֶת-קוֹל הַשּׁוֹפָר, יָרִיעוּ כָל-הָעָם, תְּרוּעָה גְדוֹלָה; וְנָפְלָה חוֹמַת הָעִיר, תַּחְתֶּיהָ, וְעָלוּ הָעָם, אִישׁ נֶגְדּוֹ.

5 And when you (plural), hear the sound of the Ram's Horn (Shofar), all the people shall raise their voices with a great shout; and the city wall shall collapse under itself, and the people shall rise up every man face to face with him (the enemy). (Translation=Abe)

The sound of the Shofar is not called Teru'ah, the sound of the peoples' voices is.

[Abe]

Wow what a nice guy. You would do this for me?

You obviously don't know J_R. He's a great guy.

[Jacob_Rising]

You obviously don't know J_R. He's a great guy.What else?

I mean that's kind of short, What about how handsome I am?

What about my beautiful hair like Sam's son and like Absolom who was so pretty, O my beautiful hair and my strong forehead, Ok, so some people tell me the forehead makes me look like a sloped head Neanderthal, But I just think it's beautiful.

I love me.

That reminds me, I need to get some more Mirrors.

[Abe]

What else?

Nothing else. You do a fine job all by yourself...:))

[Jacob_Rising]

Nothing else. You do a fine job all by yourself...:))It's a Good thing that hair falls out slowly isn't it?

It gives you time to get used to the idea, My hair was all I really had when I was young, I was like Fonzy with my hair.

Had bad dreams about it and woke myself up with my screams, '' My Hair My hair''

Like George Cloony in , O Brother where for art thou''

My Hair!

I've been meaning to do a Thread on hair and what it means to me scripturally.

[davetexas]

You obviously don't know J_R. He's a great guy.


Yes he truly seems to be,as do you.

[davetexas]

What else?

I mean that's kind of short, What about how handsome I am?

What about my beautiful hair like Sam's son and like Absolom who was so pretty, O my beautiful hair and my strong forehead, Ok, so some people tell me the forehead makes me look like a sloped head Neanderthal, But I just think it's beautiful.

I love me.

That reminds me, I need to get some more Mirrors.


My dream is to go to the holy land.I cannot imagine what it would be like

[Jacob_Rising]

My dream is to go to the holy land.I cannot imagine what it would be likeMy Mother has been there several times and I used to want to go but it's not that important to me anymore.

Jerusalem is just down the street from me.