Fox reports Texts books not right.

[Thanatos144]

I watched this show last night called "Do you know what Texts books you kids are reading" and I was shocked by it. It shows that Text books are all censured in order not to offend someone and some of them are just wrong. One text book said that Only 1 terrorist was ever arrested for terrorist acts by bush. When 105 I think it was actually was arrested.

They go on to show how one district made 2 graders read a book called two for tango a book about gay penguins. Why the hell do 2 graders need to learn about homosexuality? They used the excuse of bullying but the book doesn't say anything about bullying.

link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545900,00.html) this is a link to a article of it....more like a written commercial.

video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qusQy7Kkpw) The beginning of the show where they talk about multiculturalism and how it effects the textbooks.

[Thanatos144]

Cant seem to find the second part on youtube sorry.

[betwixt]

I watched this show last night called "Do you know what Texts books you kids are reading" and I was shocked by it. It shows that Text books are all censured in order not to offend someone and some of them are just wrong. One text book said that Only 1 terrorist was ever arrested for terrorist acts by bush. When 105 I think it was actually was arrested.

They go on to show how one district made 2 graders read a book called two for tango a book about gay penguins. Why the hell do 2 graders need to learn about homosexuality? They used the excuse of bullying but the book doesn't say anything about bullying.

link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545900,00.html) this is a link to a article of it....more like a written commercial.

video link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qusQy7Kkpw) The beginning of the show where they talk about multiculturalism and how it effects the textbooks.


We were in CA. in 07. We learned that a group/club/activist's whatever, was trying to get the school's history books changed, there were quite a few changes but honestly all I can remember is to state that Eli Whitney was gay.
We moved that December and I have not heard anything more about it. I'm assuming the claim didn't stick.

[SFC(R)L]

this is a segment on Fox and Friends weekly

I think it's Wednesdays

[stereo]

Fox and Friends was doing small segments of it a few months ago. Liberal indoctrination started in our children from public schools. This has been happening for many years. This should at least help explain, somewhat why we have such a liberal president and congress now. These liberal lies and twists have been let go for too long.

[mboncher]

The one example I saw from another report on this came back a few years. It blew my mind that this was being taught as 'fact'.

Picture of men and women in the mid 1800's holding hands around a redwood tree in an old promotional photo to entice people to come to the pacific and see the natural wonders. Well when it was put in a text book, the caption below the picture read:

"Early environmentalists circle trees with their bodies to protect them from clear cutting loggers."

I was like WHAT THE ****!!!!!!! Talk about patent lies to push a current political fad religion! It wasn't till after Sandberg, Muir and TR that there was even a CONCEPT of nature as a resource! And they're pandering such ******** as fact? Nature back then was a big and scary place to most of humanity because there was so much in it that could kill them! You didn't go hiking unless you HAD to because it was dangerous. People tamed the wilderness because they needed to!

Yet here it was... textbook 'fact'. Telling our children that enviroMENTALism was as old as the hills. Total lie perpetrated on our children.

So this report does not surprise me in the least. Prisons of information are the best crime. They're very difficult to escape if you're put in there young.

[Thanatos144]

second part (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz-Znhtlomo) This talks about the bias in history and how schools choose the text books. Some by individual school districts called open territories and some they are chose by textbook adoption where the school board pics the books for the whole state.

it also starts to talk about the two for tango book.

[UK Glenmont]

isnt there only a handfull of publishers of textbooks?

i believe the choices are very limited, and limited MORE, by state government.

[Thanatos144]

it is still disturbing. How many parents even know this is happening?

[mboncher]

The companies are limited because the STATES are limiting them by choosing only those that agree with their far left education board agendas.

[Thanatos144]

part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLwWyugDEN4)This part talks mostly about a private Saudi school in the US that teaches hate. The valedictorian I guess tried to kill Bush

[Thanatos144]

The companies are limited because the STATES are limiting them by choosing only those that agree with their far left education board agendas.

I guess there are only three or four major textbook publishers.

[Thanatos144]

part4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQLHMtRslo) Finishes the Saudi story and goes to the teaching of Darwinism or evolution then segways to new ways to publish text books digitally.

[Thanatos144]

dang seems there is no 5th part that I can find

[UK Glenmont]

part4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQLHMtRslo) Finishes the Saudi story and goes to the teaching of Darwinism or evolution then segways to new ways to publish text books digitally.

my college did that, it was a mess!

maybe they perfected it by now, who knows.

[TexasForever]

It is just in keeping with Obama's ideology that the United States is evil and hasn't done anything good throughout our history (he must have overlooked our Founding Fathers, World Wars 1 and 2, putting people in space, giving more charity than any other nation on earth, a the list could go on forever). Wait! Don't many Muslims call America the "great satan"? But anyway, I watched the show on Fox last night and am already formulating a plan to educate my child when the new, liberal, homosexual friendly textbooks are printed and distributed.

[Thanatos144]

my college did that, it was a mess!

maybe they perfected it by now, who knows.
I dont think it is about teaching anymore.

[Thanatos144]

It is just in keeping with Obama's ideology that the United States is evil and hasn't done anything good throughout our history (he must have overlooked our Founding Fathers, World Wars 1 and 2, putting people in space, giving more charity than any other nation on earth, a the list could go on forever). Wait! Don't many Muslims call America the "great satan"? But anyway, I watched the show on Fox last night and am already formulating a plan to educate my child when the new, liberal, homosexual friendly textbooks are printed and distributed.

I have no problem with teaching the bad crap we did as long as they teach all the good we did as well. Now the homosexual thing boggles me. Why the hell do 6 year old kids need to know about it?

[historynut]

When the school district in my area got new books the school district ask the PTA to approve the books. The parents (I was one) that that went though the books found some major mistakes. We reported them to the school district. After that the PTA called us in and told us that we were just there to approve the books not to read them.

[mboncher]

I guess there are only three or four major textbook publishers.
The process is incestuous from what I faintly remember and fraught with corruption and kickbacks.

[UK Glenmont]

i still think if you raise your kids right, talk to them, explain your family values, they can weather the storm of public school.

it will just be more work for the parents to keep their BS detector on overtime.

[Thanatos144]

i still think if you raise your kids right, talk to them, explain your family values, they can weather the storm of public school.

it will just be more work for the parents to keep their BS detector on overtime.

How sad is it that we seem to score the lowest in AMERICAN history? How bad are those books when we cant pass our own history?

[jprin]

Now the homosexual thing boggles me. Why the hell do 6 year old kids need to know about it?

That book and the lessons were discussed at length in here. The point of the book, as defined in the actual lesson guide which was posted in here, was to show youngsters that not all families are made up of a mom and dad. It was specifically intended to counter the frequent episodes of fights and namecalling (that would be "bullying") in grade schools by kids against other kids who didn't happen to have the traditional mom/dad reality in their homes. Again, as already posted, there was nothing in the book or the syllabus having anything to do with promoting or accepting homosexuality - just the awareness that some kids come from non-traditional homes.

[camarozz]

I have no problem with teaching the bad crap we did as long as they teach all the good we did as well. Now the homosexual thing boggles me. Why the hell do 6 year old kids need to know about it?

All in the name of tolerance...

I used to have tolerance...

Now I Have NONE.

[camarozz]

Forced tolerance is indoctrination! That is wrong!

[Thanatos144]

That book and the lessons were discussed at length in here. The point of the book, as defined in the actual lesson guide which was posted in here, was to show youngsters that not all families are made up of a mom and dad. It was specifically intended to counter the frequent episodes of fights and namecalling (that would be "bullying") in grade schools by kids against other kids who didn't happen to have the traditional mom/dad reality in their homes. Again, as already posted, there was nothing in the book or the syllabus having anything to do with promoting or accepting homosexuality - just the awareness that some kids come from non-traditional homes.

Give me a break. No bullying of sexual choice happens at 6 years old. The book doesn't even talk about bullying. It is subversive to many parents moral beliefs and they are not allowed to opt out. You seem to not understand that these kids are 6 AND 7 YEARS of age.

[mboncher]

part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLwWyugDEN4)This part talks mostly about a private Saudi school in the US that teaches hate. The valedictorian I guess tried to kill Bush
It's funny in a way. I drove once for an "Afro-islamocentric" school in the Twin Cities. There's actually a lot of them with such a large Somali population. They govern their children in Somali and Islamic ways, and teach them 'their cultural history'. American studies seems to be an afterthought or an 'oh by the way' from the bits I could tell.

What I found the most disturbing at this school was the absolute indoctrination created at this school. The children were taught to chant for Obama on election day. (They were shocked to see my "O" 'sign of the easily fooled' tee shirt, for they were taught to worship him by their teachers) They had a shrine to P-BO in the entrance of their school. It was stunning in many ways that this type of political, cultural and religious separatism was being taught as accepted curriculum in the US.

Oh, and it's these types of schools having a small problem in the area with some of their young boys being recruited to go fight and die in the Somali Conflict on the side of the warlords and terrorists. I've heard on many occasions the kids admiring the Somali Pirates as well.

It really saddens me about all this stuff and that the children really are innocent victims to these political and religious machinations.

[Thanatos144]

All in the name of tolerance...

I used to have tolerance...

Now I Have NONE.

The segment that was showed about it was around San Fransisco so it was a given they would give in to the Powerful lobby. But I hope it is different in other places.

[Thanatos144]

It's funny in a way. I drove once for an "Afro-islamocentric" school in the Twin Cities. There's actually a lot of them with such a large Somali population. They govern their children in Somali and Islamic ways, and teach them 'their cultural history'. American studies seems to be an afterthought or an 'oh by the way' from the bits I could tell.

What I found the most disturbing at this school was the absolute indoctrination created at this school. The children were taught to chant for Obama on election day. (They were shocked to see my "O" 'sign of the easily fooled' tee shirt, for they were taught to worship him by their teachers) They had a shrine to P-BO in the entrance of their school. It was stunning in many ways that this type of political, cultural and religious separatism was being taught as accepted curriculum in the US.

Oh, and it's these types of schools having a small problem in the area with some of their young boys being recruited to go fight and die in the Somali Conflict on the side of the warlords and terrorists. I've heard on many occasions the kids admiring the Somali Pirates as well.

It really saddens me about all this stuff and that the children really are innocent victims to these political and religious machinations.

I dont like telling private schools what to teach but I do think they need to follow certain standards. Dont they make our Christan schools follow standards?

[betwixt]

It's funny in a way. I drove once for an "Afro-islamocentric" school in the Twin Cities. There's actually a lot of them with such a large Somali population. They govern their children in Somali and Islamic ways, and teach them 'their cultural history'. American studies seems to be an afterthought or an 'oh by the way' from the bits I could tell.

What I found the most disturbing at this school was the absolute indoctrination created at this school. The children were taught to chant for Obama on election day. (They were shocked to see my "O" 'sign of the easily fooled' tee shirt, for they were taught to worship him by their teachers) They had a shrine to P-BO in the entrance of their school. It was stunning in many ways that this type of political, cultural and religious separatism was being taught as accepted curriculum in the US.

Oh, and it's these types of schools having a small problem in the area with some of their young boys being recruited to go fight and die in the Somali Conflict on the side of the warlords and terrorists. I've heard on many occasions the kids admiring the Somali Pirates as well.

It really saddens me about all this stuff and that the children really are innocent victims to these political and religious machinations.

Huh? They had an actual shrine? A statue of Obama,burning candles or incense, built out of precious metals?

[JenyEliza]

That book and the lessons were discussed at length in here. The point of the book, as defined in the actual lesson guide which was posted in here, was to show youngsters that not all families are made up of a mom and dad. It was specifically intended to counter the frequent episodes of fights and namecalling (that would be "bullying") in grade schools by kids against other kids who didn't happen to have the traditional mom/dad reality in their homes. Again, as already posted, there was nothing in the book or the syllabus having anything to do with promoting or accepting homosexuality - just the awareness that some kids come from non-traditional homes.

My kids have gone to Elementary School, Middle School, and are now in High School.

From K-6, they went to black schools. There was NO fighting in the Elementary school.

Fighting didn't start until middle school, and it was BAD, but it was NOT about homosexuality. It was about being "dissed" (ie, somebody looked at someone else wrong, or looked at their "girlfriend" wrong, or had on the wrong something or other, or whatever).

When a kid brought a loaded .45 semi-automatic to school because he was "dissed" in 6th grade, I decided it was time to find a way out of that school. And we left.

Then we transferred (NCLB) to a (mostly) white middle school for 7th and 8th grade. THREE (3) fights the whole time my kids were there. That's it. THREE. Over what? Sports. Which team was better, or whose lunch table you might have mistakenly sat at or some such nonsense. Again, NOT about homosexuality.

Now they're in High School. At the high school level, there is ZERO tolerance for fighting. You fight, you're sent to alternative school for the balance of your education. So far--4 weeks in--there have been NO fights. Including NO fights about homosexuality.

This whole "bullying" over homosexuality thing is WAY overblown out of proportion and 5, 6 and 7 year old kids DO NOT need to be exposed to oversexualized material in the name of "anti-homosexual bullying". At that age, they don't even know what the word "gay" means.

I really think homosexuals create problems for EVERYONE where few (if any) exist---your own worst enemies, IMHO.

[mboncher]

Huh? They had an actual shrine? A statue of Obama,burning candles or incense, built out of precious metals?
Not in the traditional sense, but it pretty much was a shrine. I suppose you could just call it a "collage" put together in a sense of awe and reverence. Lofty statements and comparisons with 'great men' of the past when he himself never accomplished a thing.

Yeah, I stand by the shrine statement. Not all shrines are candles and incense the same way all churches are stained glass and crucifixes.

Thanatos, Yeah they do. But, you know how it is. liberalism = double, triple, quadruple standards as their relativism sees fit.

[JenyEliza]

I dont like telling private schools what to teach but I do think they need to follow certain standards. Dont they make our Christan schools follow standards?

Yes they do. I attended Catholic schools from K-8. Catholic schools are subject to the same academic curriculum as public schools, only difference is that Religious classes can be added to the curriculum and the state does not control that curriculum, and children can attend Mass weekly and the state cannot infringe upon that right.

[Thanatos144]

Yes they do. I attended Catholic schools from K-8. Catholic schools are subject to the same academic curriculum as public schools, only difference is that Religious classes can be added to the curriculum and the state does not control that curriculum, and children can attend Mass weekly and the state cannot infringe upon that right.

well I am betting if they teached hate they would be up in that schools business.

[jprin]

Give me a break. No bullying of sexual choice happens at 6 years old. The book doesn't even talk about bullying. It is subversive to many parents moral beliefs and they are not allowed to opt out. You seem to not understand that these kids are 6 AND 7 YEARS of age.

Well, the syllabus was posted showing what you think is being taught to be hogwash.

[Mike88]

I saw the show as well. There were many examples, but two stood out pretty clear to me besides the terrorist arrest farce:

1) One history book mentioned Marilyn Monroe 3 times as much as it did George Washington.

2) Thanksgiving was described as some Aztec and Spanish holiday, and pilgrims and the Mayflower weren't mentioned until about 100 pages later.

Homeschool, and liberals will never hold power again. It took them 30 years to indoctrinate a generation after the Carter years. After this Obama debaucle, they should never have majority rule again if we don't allow them to poison the minds of the next generation.

[betwixt]

Not in the traditional sense, but it pretty much was a shrine. I suppose you could just call it a "collage" put together in a sense of awe and reverence. Lofty statements and comparisons with 'great men' of the past when he himself never accomplished a thing.

Yeah, I stand by the shrine statement. Not all shrines are candles and incense the same way all churches are stained glass and crucifixes.

Thanatos, Yeah they do. But, you know how it is. liberalism = double, triple, quadruple standards as their relativism sees fit.

Ahh, you said shrine and I pictured in the old fashion literal term. Not saying they wouldn't do it either...

[JenyEliza]

well I am betting if they teached hate they would be up in that schools business.

When you hear of a Catholic school teaching hatred, let me know. I'll be the first in line to be up in that school's business!!

So would Pope Benedict the XVII.

[Thanatos144]

Well, the syllabus was posted showing what you think is being taught to be hogwash.

The bigger issue to me is how such a travesty against God and Country could happen anywhere in TEXAS.......home of God-fearin' conservative Republicans all the way up to Perry, the secessionist. Cain't you ol' boys manage yer own state?:))

I dont see why you think it is alright for a school to talk about subjects of a sexual nature to your 2 grader. It is just wrong.

[JenyEliza]

Well, the syllabus was posted showing what you think is being taught to be hogwash.

The bigger issue to me is how such a travesty against God and Country could happen anywhere in TEXAS.......home of God-fearin' conservative Republicans all the way up to Perry, the secessionist. Cain't you ol' boys manage yer own state?:))

Making fun of honored guests becasue they are from the Southern part of the US is a No-No.

I would suggest you retract that ugliness.

[Thanatos144]

When you hear of a Catholic school teaching hatred, let me know. I'll be the first in line to be up in that school's business!!

So would Pope Benedict the XVII.

Thats what i am saying. Muslim schools are not held to the same standards as Jewish or Christan schools.

[jprin]

Making fun of honored guests becasue they are from the Southern part of the US is a No-No.

I would suggest you retract that ugliness.

Done. Thanks.

[traeger]

Forced tolerance is indoctrination! That is wrong!

You are right, we should be teaching kids hatred and bigotry, geez what was I thinking. You can't force anyone to be tolerant of anything. If that were the case and if schools and colleges were really involved in the liberal brainwashing conspiracy that you seem to be tin-foil hat involved with, then how exactly is it that you came to believe what you believe?

Might it have something to do with your own parents beliefs which were instilled in you? Fact is that schools can say a great many things to children from one age all the way up to the end of their school years. The time spent listening to the parents babel on about how evil and disgusting someone else choosing the lifestyle that they choose would seem to be the most influential.

[Thanatos144]

You are right, we should be teaching kids hatred and bigotry, geez what was I thinking. You can't force anyone to be tolerant of anything. If that were the case and if schools and colleges were really involved in the liberal brainwashing conspiracy that you seem to be tin-foil hat involved with, then how exactly is it that you came to believe what you believe?

Might it have something to do with your own parents beliefs which were instilled in you? Fact is that schools can say a great many things to children from one age all the way up to then end of their school years. The time spent listening to the parents babel on about how evil and disgusting someone else choosing the lifestyle that they choose would seem to be the most influential.
BS. I grew up when Reagan was President and I wen through most of my childhood thinking Reagan was the the devil who was gonna blow us all up. A stupid man who needed a nurse to wipe up his drool. Why? Cause this is how my teachers portrayed him. it wasnt till I was an adult on my own did I see through their lies.

So dont tell me you cant indoctrinate kids if you get them young enough.

[TCUFan]

As a teacher, this doesn't shock me. I've been seeing errors in textbooks for seven years. This is not news and it certainly isn't new. This is what happens when sixty people edit a single textbook.

TCUFan

[Thanatos144]

As a teacher, this doesn't shock me. I've been seeing errors in textbooks for seven years. This is not news and it certainly isn't new. This is what happens when sixty people edit a single textbook.

TCUFan

How many parents do you think know this?

[UK Glenmont]

You are right, we should be teaching kids hatred and bigotry, geez what was I thinking. You can't force anyone to be tolerant of anything. If that were the case and if schools and colleges were really involved in the liberal brainwashing conspiracy that you seem to be tin-foil hat involved with, then how exactly is it that you came to believe what you believe?

Might it have something to do with your own parents beliefs which were instilled in you? Fact is that schools can say a great many things to children from one age all the way up to the end of their school years. The time spent listening to the parents babel on about how evil and disgusting someone else choosing the lifestyle that they choose would seem to be the most influential.

exactly!

we need to remove those evil parents from the process of teaching their kids.

[JenyEliza]

Done. Thanks.

Thank you.

It's just a darned shame that we're this far removed from the War of Northern Aggresssion and Northerners still believe themselves to be far superior to Southerners. So sad that you have to be reminded that in these "United States" all men (and women) are created equal.

At least you paid attention. Thanks again. :mrgreen:

[JenyEliza]

exactly!

we need to remove those evil parents from the process of teaching their kids.

Make no mistake--*that* is the goal.

[UK Glenmont]

Make no mistake--*that* is the goal.

i know:(

[DLaw911]

........[snipped]1 terrorist was ever arrested for terrorist acts by bush....[snipped]Parapraxis? :dance:

[camarozz]

Parapraxis? :dance:
Good attempt, your getting better.

[E7ALR]

The companies are limited because the STATES are limiting them by choosing only those that agree with their far left education board agendas.
With large states like California and Texas, which buy lots and lots of text books, if the state board of education approves only certain text books, then states that buy fewer books often opt to buy the same books to save money. It's a case of economy of scale. Printing a large run of text books costs less than a small run. States with less population often follow the lead of larger states for cost reasons alone.

[Thanatos144]

With large states like California and Texas, which buy lots and lots of text books, if the state board of education approves only certain text books, then states that buy fewer books often opt to buy the same books to save money. It's a case of economy of scale. Printing a large run of text books costs less than a small run. States with less population often follow the lead of larger states for cost reasons alone.

And still parents think what their kids are learning from these textbooks are accurate......I guess the joke was on us.

[E7ALR]

And still parents think what their kids are learning from these textbooks are accurate......I guess the joke was on us.Part of a Parent's job is to scan through these books know what they are teaching to their children.

[RTchoke]

When the school district in my area got new books the school district ask the PTA to approve the books. The parents (I was one) that that went though the books found some major mistakes. We reported them to the school district. After that the PTA called us in and told us that we were just there to approve the books not to read them.

that'll teach ya! :))

[UK Glenmont]

Part of a Parent's job is to scan through these books know what they are teaching to their children.

and improve your kids BS detector.

talk to your kids.

[Thanatos144]

Part of a Parent's job is to scan through these books know what they are teaching to their children.

Not gonna help much I bet. How many people remember history after school? Us? We are freaks of nature LOL average people dont like or remember history. How hard is it to make a history book that is accurate?

[akarra]

Yeah, this doesn't surprise me one bit: textbooks are pretty bad to begin with, abstracted from primary sources for the most part, only presenting the words of actual statesmen or writers in snippets.

When I was in grade school and high school, my history textbooks taught this narrative: first the settlers killed the natives, then Americans killed the British, then there was killing of Mexicans, then Southerners, then killing of people the world over, and then the killing of the Vietnamese b/c we suspected they were secretly Russian. It was a caricature of history used to advance an agenda, and it worked on most of my fellow students: when they were half-listening, they didn't get all the details, but they got the import.

[Thanatos144]

Yeah, this doesn't surprise me one bit: textbooks are pretty bad to begin with, abstracted from primary sources for the most part, only presenting the words of actual statesmen or writers in snippets.

When I was in grade school and high school, my history textbooks taught this narrative: first the settlers killed the natives, then Americans killed the British, then there was killing of Mexicans, then Southerners, then killing of people the world over, and then the killing of the Vietnamese b/c we suspected they were secretly Russian. It was a caricature of history used to advance an agenda, and it worked on most of my fellow students: when they were half-listening, they didn't get all the details, but they got the import.

Yea that the agenda that America is bad.....Makes me wonder if Communists are the ones writing our text books.

[sisyphus]

And people wonder why some of us worry about who speaks in the classroom...OOPs wrong thread.:surprised

The perspective of the author is too often in line with the 'hate America' crowd, unfortunately.

[mawst95]

One text book said that Only 1 terrorist was ever arrested for terrorist acts by bush. When 105 I think it was actually was arrested.


I don't understand this. How is the number of terrorists arrests a partisan issue. BTW, the number of terrorists arrested by Bush is zero, since the POTUS doesn't have the constitutional authority to arrest people. Anyway, why would anyone of any ideology white wash how many people were arrested? I suspect, if true, maybe there's more to it. Are they separating arrested and detained? Arrested and subsequently released? I would imagine you wouldn't count people arrested but never charged. I know the numbers of people arrested more than people that were actually charged. When was the cutoff the of the stats they used? Maybe they only had official data from 2005 or something like that. What I'm saying is I think there are more plausible explanations than "liberal indoctrination," since I don't see number of arrests as a hotbutton ideological issue.

[catocom]

I believe Tucker Carlson is great asset.

[Thanatos144]

I don't understand this. How is the number of terrorists arrests a partisan issue. BTW, the number of terrorists arrested by Bush is zero, since the POTUS doesn't have the constitutional authority to arrest people. Anyway, why would anyone of any ideology white wash how many people were arrested? I suspect, if true, maybe there's more to it. Are they separating arrested and detained? Arrested and subsequently released? I would imagine you wouldn't count people arrested but never charged. I know the numbers of people arrested more than people that were actually charged. When was the cutoff the of the stats they used? Maybe they only had official data from 2005 or something like that. What I'm saying is I think there are more plausible explanations than "liberal indoctrination," since I don't see number of arrests as a hotbutton ideological issue.

This is why our texts are ****ed up. The spin. Do they mean arrested or detained? Hey if your ass is detained your ass is arrested just not formally charged.

[Kelzan]

I imagine in the past things skewed the other way, only teaching the good things about America and ignoring the bad. But the left doesn't want balance, they want the curriculum slanted to suit their ideology.

However, Liberals don't have a monopoly on this either. Some on the right want to mess with science books with regards to evolution and the age of the Earth.

[animalnut]

Fox did a series about 4 or 5 months ago on the inaccuracies in textbooks. For one, I remember they gave credit to ending the cold war to Gorbachav, and barely mentioned Reagan. There were many inaccuracies in the history books.

[Jagergeist]

I think there is some merit to the issue, but also think some conservatives desperately cling to the idea that schools are "indoctrinating" children as a pathetic excuse for the generational changes they see. They can't accept the fact that most kids nowadays see no problem with homosexuals so they want to blame someone rather than just accept it as different beliefs for different generations. The big conservative big three of God guns and gays just isn't that interesting to the youth of today.

[mawst95]

This is why our texts are ****ed up. The spin. Do they mean arrested or detained? Hey if your ass is detained your ass is arrested just not formally charged.

Actually the distinction between being arrested--which implies the applicability of the US judicial system--and "detained" is absolutely critical. Its not spin to properly explain the differences of "status" of suspected terrorists. There have been a few SCOTUS decisions on this point, the Military Commissions Act, etc. Textbooks should be thorough and precise. What exactly am I trying to spin? What do I care how many have been "arrested." What the heck is my agenda? if a text book just lumps citizens, non citizens, POWs, enemy combatants, and whomever else all together into one generic "arrested" plot, regardless if they were eventually released or not, I'd say its a pretty ****ty textbook.

[Databyter]

I think there is some merit to the issue, but also think some conservatives desperately cling to the idea that schools are "indoctrinating" children as a pathetic excuse for the generational changes they see. They can't accept the fact that most kids nowadays see no problem with homosexuals so they want to blame someone rather than just accept it as different beliefs for different generations. The big conservative big three of God guns and gays just isn't that interesting to the youth of today.God and Guns. yea ok.

But Gays?

Gays aren't important to the conservative and I doubt many would bring it up.

Rather it is the liberal who CONSTANTLY brings it up whether in banal arguments or legislation, we simply vote our conscious and join the dialogue.

Gays are on your agenda not ours.

I would even go so far as to say this. The day that liberals stop bashing us over the head with this issue is the day it will cease to be discussed.

[mawst95]

Gays aren't important to the conservative and I doubt many would bring it up.


Threads with homosexual in the title (12):

http://forums.hannity.com/search.php?searchid=23556551

Number started by liberals = 1 (a post in the moderator forum)
Number started by cons = 11



Number of posts with "Homosexual agenda" in it (490):

http://forums.hannity.com/search.php?searchid=23556661

Liberals usually don't call it the "homosexual agenda" so I'm guessing 90% of these posts are by conservatives.


Maybe you mean "conservatives not on hannity.com"

[spinach]

I made a shrine to hussein obama about 10 mins ago, in the bathroom
and then it got covered with 'gold'.

it was a large community organizer, in the middle of doing a backstroke on a lake

[bitterclingerincalif]

In the program last night I almost stood up and applauded the black gentleman who told the Alameda Unified School District board that he knew how to parent because he can off set the bullying his daughter experienced in school because she is black. Why can't the gay parents do the same? If they can't win the right way, they will fight dirty and win that way. It's always the case. Take Prop 8 for instance...is it going to be who ever has the most money to spend the winner?

[camarozz]

In the program last night I almost stood up and applauded the black gentleman who told the Alameda Board of Education that he knew how to parent because he can off set the bullying his daughter experienced in school because she was black. Why can't the gay parents do the same? If they can't win the right way, they will fight dirty and win that way. It's always the case.

I think I understand what you are saying...

Kinda like what I tell my son, if he sees/has a problem, he is to tell the other child to stop, if it escelates then he is to go get the teacher, if the teacher will not or can not help he has my full support in taking care of the situation.

two times last year he has leveled a bully for picking on other children. I have yet to hear from the school that my son was in trouble.

I tell him... "you better not start it; but feel free to finish it!"

[F_Rat-46]

I made a shrine to hussein obama about 10 mins ago, in the bathroom
and then it got covered with 'gold'.

it was a large community organizer, in the middle of doing a backstroke on a lake

AKA "Mr. Hankey"

[Thanatos144]

why do 6 year olds need to know about homosexuality again?

[byzantine catholic]

why do 6 year olds need to know about homosexuality again?Because of multiculturalism believed by these liberal ideologoues.

[bitterclingerincalif]

why do 6 year olds need to know about homosexuality again?

So six year olds don't beat up on other six year olds who have two mommies or two daddies instead of one of each. Hey, do kids who only live with mommy or daddy get beat up too?

This show was on again tonight.

[mawst95]

I made a shrine to hussein obama about 10 mins ago, in the bathroom
and then it got covered with 'gold'.

it was a large community organizer, in the middle of doing a backstroke on a lake

You're a special kind of classy.

[Thanatos144]

So six year olds don't beat up on other six year olds who have two mommies or two daddies instead of one of each. Hey, do kids who only live with mommy or daddy get beat up too?

This show was on again tonight.

please thats just an excuse to forward an agenda.

[OldSchoolConservative]

I have multiple American schoolbook history text books that range from the 1950s to the 2000s that I have bought from library sales, fleas markets, etc. I love to read history and have read all the books(about 10 of them). The one thing that I noticed about the 1950s to early 1980s versions was that they were more factual oriented in that the material was presented cut and dry as far as key historical events, facts and dates. It was sort of like reading more of an encyclopedia or almanac. The newer versions from around the 1980s to the present seemed to be more indoctrinated with political correctness and more of a commentary type style of writing. (And of course more of a liberal type commentary).
The older history textbooks were just a straight forward portrayal of key historical events and figures and dates that did not in one shape or another try to influence what a student should think of a key historical figure or event. it was just a good wholesome honest reporting of what happened in American history.

[akarra]

Yea that the agenda that America is bad.....Makes me wonder if Communists are the ones writing our text books.

Just go to the webpage for any given university's history department - some are openly Communist, but most are just left-leaning and certainly vote Democrat.

Is it a conspiracy? Not so much, I don't think: more like, there's so much of this junk that the other side of the story is just getting drowned out.

[akarra]

And people wonder why some of us worry about who speaks in the classroom...OOPs wrong thread.:surprised

The perspective of the author is too often in line with the 'hate America' crowd, unfortunately.

This is tricky because part of conservatism is a healthy respect for authority. Of course the liberal elitism and agenda pushing of the Left in school is a disgrace - but once the authority of teachers and principals (and yes, the President) is eroded, it's impossible to get it back.

In short: you can't fight radicalism by screaming one's head off, because radicalism in its worst form would appreciate that. We need a way of preserving traditional values while preserving our institutions. It's evident to me that if conservatives need Fox News to tell them that schools have problematic textbooks, that conservatives need to go back to school themselves - this has been so obvious and yet off the radar as a salient issue? That's a disgrace.

[sgdp]

Just go to the webpage for any given university's history department - some are openly Communist, but most are just left-leaning and certainly vote Democrat.

Is it a conspiracy? Not so much, I don't think: more like, there's so much of this junk that the other side of the story is just getting drowned out.

o.O What history departments are you thinking of?

I must say, the two I've had in uni so far have been middle to right. And we're just outside Chicago in a pretty blue area...so...

[akarra]

I didn't mean departments, I meant faculty. My bad.

I wouldn't go as far as saying "middle to right" - talk to me in detail about these departments. The scholarship in history is decidedly Leftist for the most part.

[sgdp]

I didn't mean departments, I meant faculty. My bad.

I wouldn't go as far as saying "middle to right" - talk to me in detail about these departments. The scholarship in history is decidedly Leftist for the most part.

Well, the two professors I've had have been good. One was very neutral. The book was also neutral. Overall, a very good experience.

The other, an attorney, leaned right, actually. We had to watch that movie "Zeitgeist" and that Dylan Avery 9/11 thing. He also was very big on Ron Paul-like ideas. Yet, he overall maintained an attitude, "They all suck. All I know is everyone's wrong but me!"

A light-hearted guy, but definitely leaned right.

[akarra]

Well, the two professors I've had have been good. One was very neutral. The book was also neutral. Overall, a very good experience.

The other, an attorney, leaned right, actually. We had to watch that movie "Zeitgeist" and that Dylan Avery 9/11 thing. He also was very big on Ron Paul-like ideas. Yet, he overall maintained an attitude, "They all suck. All I know is everyone's wrong but me!"

A light-hearted guy, but definitely leaned right.

Wait a second - "Zeitgeist" is right-leaning? I mean, he doesn't believe that stuff, does he?

I wouldn't put Zeitgeist right or left - it's flat-out insane. An excellent tearing up of the film is at e-skeptic (http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25#feature).

I'm not lying to you when I tell you that whatever you experienced was definitely exceptional, if indeed there was a right-wing gentleman involved. First off, the academy most certainly leans left to an outrageous degree - Lawrence Summers, part of the Obama adminstration, actually brought up the idea of affirmative action for conservative professors (http://www.ashokkarra.com/2007/10/affirmative-action-for-an-oppressing-minority-liberals-conservatives-academia-and-capitalism/):

It’s not that there are no conservative professors, he [Larry Summers] said, but their share is so small as to raise questions that deserve more attention.


- from The Liberal (and Moderating) Professoriate, by Scott Jaschik (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/10/08/politics)


Very recently - as I'm sure you're aware - a left-leaning U or Oregon journalism student noted (http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0713/p09s02-coop.html):

The University of Oregon (UO), where I study journalism, invested millions annually in a diversity program that explicitly included "political affiliation" as a component. Yet, out of the 111 registered Oregon voters in the departments of journalism, law, political science, economics, and sociology, there were only two registered Republicans.

Now back at my old university, we had a professor who was an avowed Marxist and denied that the Rosenbergs were responsible for any wrong-doing.

Re: history departments - I can't find numbers specific to history departments, but a good way to see if my thesis checks out is to look at the scholarly interests and publications of professors, and see what's in the journals. I guarantee you there's going to be little or nothing with a good word for conservatives. The poll from Inside Higher Ed. - linked above under "The Liberal and Moderating Professoriate" - did break down professors who voted for Kerry or Bush by general area of study: that breakdown showed 83% of those polled in the humanities voted for Kerry.

[sgdp]

Wait a second - "Zeitgeist" is right-leaning? I mean, he doesn't believe that stuff, does he?

I wouldn't put Zeitgeist right or left - it's flat-out insane. An excellent tearing up of the film is at e-skeptic (http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-02-25#feature).

I'm not lying to you when I tell you that whatever you experienced was definitely exceptional, if indeed there was a right-wing gentleman involved. First off, the academy most certainly leans left to an outrageous degree - Lawrence Summers, part of the Obama adminstration, actually brought up the idea of affirmative action for conservative professors (http://www.ashokkarra.com/2007/10/affirmative-action-for-an-oppressing-minority-liberals-conservatives-academia-and-capitalism/):



Very recently - as I'm sure you're aware - a left-leaning U or Oregon journalism student noted (http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0713/p09s02-coop.html):



Now back at my old university, we had a professor who was an avowed Marxist and denied that the Rosenbergs were responsible for any wrong-doing.

Re: history departments - I can't find numbers specific to history departments, but a good way to see if my thesis checks out is to look at the scholarly interests and publications of professors, and see what's in the journals. I guarantee you there's going to be little or nothing with a good word for conservatives. The poll from Inside Higher Ed. - linked above under "The Liberal and Moderating Professoriate" - did break down professors who voted for Kerry or Bush by general area of study: that breakdown showed 83% of those polled in the humanities voted for Kerry.


And that brings us to the ever-unanswered question: Why? Are conservatives not interested in professorship, or do they propose that universities just won't hire them? :think:

[nunyadb]

And that brings us to the ever-unanswered question: Why? Are conservatives not interested in professorship, or do they propose that universities just won't hire them? :think:

For the most part, they simply don't get hired or the working conditions are
made so hostile that they simply leave and move on to other pursuits.

[sgdp]

For the most part, they simply don't get hired or the working conditions are
made so hostile that they simply leave and move on to other pursuits.

:rolleyes:

[akarra]

And that brings us to the ever-unanswered question: Why? Are conservatives not interested in professorship, or do they propose that universities just won't hire them? :think:

You're making this sound like conservatives are responsible for the academy leaning this far to the Left. The sheer amount of empirical evidence and anecdotes I've linked to suggests that the academy got radical and has been a hostile environment to conservatism for years now. Gone are the days of people like Russell Kirk or even Milton Friedman, despite the fact that there are a few notable conservatives in economic departments.

If you want a serious answer to this question, a good way to start is by assigning an enormous amount of blame to the Left for politicizing the academy and making it a tool of "social change," ala Bill Ayers (http://www.ashokkarra.com/2008/10/professor-william-ayers-and-the-corruption-of-the-academy/). Once that's done, you can move to a significant but ultimately smaller issue regarding this topic, that of conservative hostility nowadays to education. It is an incredibly significant issue given the attitude many self-proclaimed conservatives on the Internet display towards anything that appears to be learned, but is a smaller issue when assigning blame for a complete misrepresentation in the academy. I can't begin to tell you the abuse that comes down on one merely for being conservative at a school - I witnessed my friends go through it, and had to hide politically to a degree myself. The Left is accountable at a moral level for the environment on campus, and I will not let that issue be diluted.

[sgdp]

You're making this sound like conservatives are responsible for the academy leaning this far to the Left. The sheer amount of empirical evidence and anecdotes I've linked to suggests that the academy got radical and has been a hostile environment to conservatism for years now. Gone are the days of people like Russell Kirk or even Milton Friedman, despite the fact that there are a few notable conservatives in economic departments.

If you want a serious answer to this question, a good way to start is by assigning an enormous amount of blame to the Left for politicizing the academy and making it a tool of "social change," ala Bill Ayers (http://www.ashokkarra.com/2008/10/professor-william-ayers-and-the-corruption-of-the-academy/). Once that's done, you can move to a significant but ultimately smaller issue regarding this topic, that of conservative hostility nowadays to education. It is an incredibly significant issue given the attitude many self-proclaimed conservatives on the Internet display towards anything that appears to be learned, but is a smaller issue when assigning blame for a complete misrepresentation in the academy. I can't begin to tell you the abuse that comes down on one merely for being conservative at a school - I witnessed my friends go through it, and had to hide politically to a degree myself. The Left is accountable at a moral level for the environment on campus, and I will not let that issue be diluted.

Whatever "conservatives" are going about whining about their failed professorships need to put up or shut up.

Blame "The Left" and holding them "accountable" is a copout.

[akarra]

Whatever "conservatives" are going about whining about their failed professorships need to put up or shut up.

Blame "The Left" and holding them "accountable" is a copout.

I had a feeling that was the sentiment underlying your questions. My apologies for wasting your time: I thank you for what you have demonstrated, however.

[opsyscw]

When the school district in my area got new books the school district ask the PTA to approve the books. The parents (I was one) that that went though the books found some major mistakes. We reported them to the school district. After that the PTA called us in and told us that we were just there to approve the books not to read them.
They assumed you went to a public school and couldn't read anyway. Imagine the shock when they found out you could.

[RTchoke]

I have multiple American schoolbook history text books that range from the 1950s to the 2000s that I have bought from library sales, fleas markets, etc. I love to read history and have read all the books(about 10 of them). The one thing that I noticed about the 1950s to early 1980s versions was that they were more factual oriented in that the material was presented cut and dry as far as key historical events, facts and dates. It was sort of like reading more of an encyclopedia or almanac. The newer versions from around the 1980s to the present seemed to be more indoctrinated with political correctness and more of a commentary type style of writing. (And of course more of a liberal type commentary).
The older history textbooks were just a straight forward portrayal of key historical events and figures and dates that did not in one shape or another try to influence what a student should think of a key historical figure or event. it was just a good wholesome honest reporting of what happened in American history.

Same here. I have many old school books. My American Govt book is form 1923. They are more factually based without the flowery commentary. I also seriously doubt any of the children from today's grade levels could pass the tests given to comparable grade levels back then.

[JerryN]

I have no problem with teaching the bad crap we did as long as they teach all the good we did as well. Now the homosexual thing boggles me. Why the hell do 6 year old kids need to know about it?

There's an interesting link to this.

Remember Bill Ayers, the domestic terrorist that Obama didn't know?
(Even though he worked with him at Annenberg and started his career at his house.)

Well he's now at the Univ. of Chicago - in the Education Dept.
He has a doctorate in some aspect of Education that gives him influence.
One of his 'projects': pushing something they called 'queerification' to elementary students.
I guess their goal was to build tolerance of this behavior regardless of parental views.

Some pal, eh?

[mboncher]

Yep. That's one thing. But it is true that conservatives need to do as these communists did back in the 1930's originally, then again en masse in the 1960's and tough out the hostile environment.

Ideally, conservative governors should look seriously at cleaning house in the education systems at large. Flushing out the old liberal deadwood who's gained a sensation of bureaucratic 'tenure' in which they feel they can get away with what they want to play social engineer with our children.

Then again, I think this should be done with the entire washington bureaucratic system too. The nation is due for a spring cleaning and a wiping away of this communist grime that has pervaded every part of government like 'shareware' and 'spyware' and all sorts of other political 'malware' who have no interest in serving the best interests of the public or their freedom.

[Thanatos144]

yep. That's one thing. But it is true that conservatives need to do as these communists did back in the 1930's originally, then again en masse in the 1960's and tough out the hostile environment.

Ideally, conservative governors should look seriously at cleaning house in the education systems at large. Flushing out the old liberal deadwood who's gained a sensation of bureaucratic 'tenure' in which they feel they can get away with what they want to play social engineer with our children.

Then again, i think this should be done with the entire washington bureaucratic system too. The nation is due for a spring cleaning and a wiping away of this communist grime that has pervaded every part of government like 'shareware' and 'spyware' and all sorts of other political 'malware' who have no interest in serving the best interests of the public or their freedom.
+1

[UK Glenmont]

You're making this sound like conservatives are responsible for the academy leaning this far to the Left. The sheer amount of empirical evidence and anecdotes I've linked to suggests that the academy got radical and has been a hostile environment to conservatism for years now. Gone are the days of people like Russell Kirk or even Milton Friedman, despite the fact that there are a few notable conservatives in economic departments.

If you want a serious answer to this question, a good way to start is by assigning an enormous amount of blame to the Left for politicizing the academy and making it a tool of "social change," ala Bill Ayers (http://www.ashokkarra.com/2008/10/professor-william-ayers-and-the-corruption-of-the-academy/). Once that's done, you can move to a significant but ultimately smaller issue regarding this topic, that of conservative hostility nowadays to education. It is an incredibly significant issue given the attitude many self-proclaimed conservatives on the Internet display towards anything that appears to be learned, but is a smaller issue when assigning blame for a complete misrepresentation in the academy. I can't begin to tell you the abuse that comes down on one merely for being conservative at a school - I witnessed my friends go through it, and had to hide politically to a degree myself. The Left is accountable at a moral level for the environment on campus, and I will not let that issue be diluted.

what he said, or, money.

those who can, do: those who cant, teach.

more money in the private sector.

[sgdp]

I had a feeling that was the sentiment underlying your questions. My apologies for wasting your time: I thank you for what you have demonstrated, however.

Well, hey. I gave the opportunity to provide evidence; unfortunately, that presented just didn't convince me of some grand conspiracy to keep the cons out of the unis.

For a group that holds dear self-accountability, there sure ain't a lot of it to spare on this issue.

[Thanatos144]

Well, hey. I gave the opportunity to provide evidence; unfortunately, that presented just didn't convince me of some grand conspiracy to keep the cons out of the unis.

For a group that holds dear self-accountability, there sure ain't a lot of it to spare on this issue.

It isnt a conspiracy it is elitism. Liberals just think if you are wrong you are not worth being heard. A waste of time if you will. Time and time again when our kids get out of of university they find that life isnt what their professors told them. It that bubble the university elites live in that make them this way.

[TexasForever]

Our education system started a "dumbing down" program about 30 years ago, whereby students only move as fast as the slowest/weakest link. A student who lacked discipline and the drive to succeed wasn't labeled as ignorant. Instead, the system came up with terms like ADD, or tried to blame the student's parents, grandparents, or anyone else that student came into contact with, for the students lack of interest and discipline. Look at what we have now with Obama and his clowns. Terrorists are no longer called terrorists (that is, unless you are an American conservative, Christian or gun owner): http://www.exposeobama.com/2009/04/16/are-you-right-wing-and-therefore-a-terrorist-2/

I am curious to see how many lies are put into the new textbooks. After all, they seem to be on the warpath against the evil white man. I guess we didn't do anything right for the past 200+ years. The last time I checked, our nation was built on the hard work and values of every citizen, and it has always been the greatest land of opportunity and the destination of almost all immigrants.

Thanatos144, as for the homosexuality part, Romans 1:27-32 says it all:

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet..... ."

The liberals preach a doctrine where we all live in a rosy little world where everything is allowed as long as it makes you happy. As seen by many of Obama's picks for cabinet positions (especially czars), personal accountability isn't necessary unless those pesky conservatives investigate the facts, and prove how messed up it all is.

[OldSchoolConservative]

Same here. I have many old school books. My American Govt book is form 1923. They are more factually based without the flowery commentary. I also seriously doubt any of the children from today's grade levels could pass the tests given to comparable grade levels back then.

Very much agreed. When I was a child around the third grade, my great grandfather gave me a history textbook dated from about the late 1950s and a geography book used by Michigan students from I want to say around the 1930s. To this day I treasure both books most importantly because they were from my great grandfather but also because I was able to read both of these books as a young child before I was to learn the same material in school several years later. Basically, I was able to learn basic American history minus the hidden spin commentary and to forge a basic knowledge of U.S. History before school indoctrination of said events. I think the problem in todays schools are that children are not first taught the basic fundamentals of American history of dates and key figures and events but are rather indoctrinated on how they should think of a key event, leader or date when they first learn about said key event, figure or date. Children should learn the fundamentals first before being exposed to ideas that would basically be liberal indoctrination in the guise of revisionist history.