Blatant Example of Police Racism in Shooting of Unarmed Pastor

[tha malcontent™]

Pastor, Father-to-Be Killed in Drug Sting
By DIONNE WALKER, AP
posted: 6 HOURS 49 MINUTES AGO

ATLANTA (Sept. 4) -- Plainclothes officers shot and killed a small-town pastor when the 28-year-old father-to-be resisted efforts to question him about a passenger in his car who was the target of a drug sting, authorities said.

Jonathan Paul Ayers of Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lavonia wasn't targeted in the probe that ended in gunfire at a gas station Tuesday, Georgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman John Bankhead said. But drug task-force agents opened fire on him after he tried to avoid them, putting his car in reverse and striking one of the officers.

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Oh wait... He's White...

Imagine if he was Black.

What do you Think the Response would be?...

By some, of course.

Je$$e Jack$on comes to Mind.

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

I will be Sure to Refer back to this Thread the Next Time there is Outrage at the same situation, but the Race is Different...

If this had been a Black Pastor, it would have been so Played up by the "Free Press" and the Race Pimps, that it would have taken Van and Obama the Merciful's Address to the Glorious Children off the Front Page...

I bet... I would Wage Coin, that there were Comrades in the "Free Press" who were Hoping this was a Black Pastor for just that Reason.

:)

peace...

[merickson]

A man (a pastor) backs his car into a police officer and is shot dead. (Link to further details omitted.)

The quoted text doesn't identify the man's race and no one is accused of racism.

From this you conclude that the press is on Jesse Jackson's side?


Pastor, Father-to-Be Killed in Drug Sting
By DIONNE WALKER, AP
posted: 6 HOURS 49 MINUTES AGO

ATLANTA (Sept. 4) -- Plainclothes officers shot and killed a small-town pastor when the 28-year-old father-to-be resisted efforts to question him about a passenger in his car who was the target of a drug sting, authorities said.

Jonathan Paul Ayers of Shoal Creek Baptist Church in Lavonia wasn't targeted in the probe that ended in gunfire at a gas station Tuesday, Georgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman John Bankhead said. But drug task-force agents opened fire on him after he tried to avoid them, putting his car in reverse and striking one of the officers.

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Oh wait... He's White...

Imagine if he was Black.

What do you Think the Response would be?...

By some, of course.

Je$$e Jack$on comes to Mind.

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

A man (a pastor) backs his car into a police officer and is shot dead. (Link to further details omitted.)

The quoted text doesn't identify the man's race and no one is accused of racism.

From this you conclude that the press is on Jesse Jackson's side?

I can't Help you if you are Not Understanding my Illustration...

IF this Pastor was Black, this Story would be about Race.

It Happens ALL of the Time.

Cop Kills Black Person, it's about Race.

:)

peace...

[merickson]

I can't Help you if you are Not Understanding my Illustration...

IF this Pastor was Black, this Story would be about Race.

It Happens ALL of the Time.

Cop Kills Black Person, it's about Race.

peace...
1) I see no evidence that the dead man wasn't black.

2) "If things were different, something bad would have happened. Therefore, we're in a bad way." isn't very convincing.

[tha malcontent™]

1) I see no evidence that the dead man wasn't black.


You have Access to Google?...

Use it.

The Pastor was White.

:)

peace...

[camarozz]

You have Access to Google?...

Use it.

The Pastor was White.

:)

peace...

You do not even have to google, its plastered all over the news.

[merickson]

Yes, the pastor was white.
http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/09/rev_jonathan_ayers_shot_by_pol.php

[JenyEliza]

This is a local story for me.

The "cops" were plainclothes. They are clearly in "cover your ass" mode right now.

The Pastor had NO idea they were cops. He was Pastoring a person with serious drug and legal problems and had just dropped her off at the gas station.

Then the guns were drawn and he tried like hell to get away. I've seen the video. I would have done the same as him. They are plain clothes--in fact, dressed like street level users/dealers. He thought they were criminals, not cops. I would have ended up as dead as him in the same situation.

Cops are in deep **** over this one. Spinning lies big time. But that's pretty much SOP with cops in the Atlanta area. That's how they roll here.

[JenyEliza]

1) I see no evidence that the dead man wasn't black.

2) "If things were different, something bad would have happened. Therefore, we're in a bad way." isn't very convincing.

I live in Atlanta. Seen the gas station security video on the news.

Pastor is white. His wife is white. And I presume their baby-on-the-way is also white.

Good enough for you?

[JenyEliza]

I can't Help you if you are Not Understanding my Illustration...

IF this Pastor was Black, this Story would be about Race.

It Happens ALL of the Time.

Cop Kills Black Person, it's about Race.

:)

peace...

The cops and Chief of Police involved are now trying to paint the (white) Pastor as "dirty" and "involved in drugs", which I find very very hard to believe from all I've learned about him from interviews with his family on local TV.

[AutoRacer55]

The cops and Chief of Police involved are now trying to paint the (white) Pastor as "dirty" and "involved in drugs", which I find very very hard to believe from all I've learned about him from interviews with his family on local TV.

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=59741971&postcount=79

The cops are never wrong. <snip>

Hmm... Something's missing here

[tha malcontent™]

This is a local story for me.

The "cops" were plainclothes. They are clearly in "cover your ass" mode right now.

The Pastor had NO idea they were cops. He was Pastoring a person with serious drug and legal problems and had just dropped her off at the gas station.

Then the guns were drawn and he tried like hell to get away. I've seen the video. I would have done the same as him. They are plain clothes--in fact, dressed like street level users/dealers. He thought they were criminals, not cops. I would have ended up as dead as him in the same situation.

Cops are in deep **** over this one. Spinning lies big time. But that's pretty much SOP with cops in the Atlanta area. That's how they roll here.

And if this Pastor was Black...

:)

peace...

[tha malcontent™]

The cops and Chief of Police involved are now trying to paint the (white) Pastor as "dirty" and "involved in drugs", which I find very very hard to believe from all I've learned about him from interviews with his family on local TV.

And if the Police were Trying to Dirty up a Black Pastor after Shooting him to Death...

:)

peace...

[JenyEliza]

And if this Pastor was Black...

:)

peace...

I think we all know the answer that, Mal..... ;)

[JenyEliza]

And if the Police were Trying to Dirty up a Black Pastor after Shooting him to Death...

:)

peace...

That creepy Jones guy Barackbottom appointed to be his "Green Czar", as well as Rev. Wright, "Rev" Sharpton, "Rev" Je$$ie Jack$son and Barackbottom would be getting their face time on TV condemning this "racist killing by cops".

Yeah....but this guy was white, young, a father to be and a good damned representative of Christ. So....it's just too darned bad he ****ed up the sting for these cops, so they took him out. Or some such ****.

Unbelieveable. :rolleyes:

[tha malcontent™]

I think we all know the answer that, Mal..... ;)

If the Race Pimps in the Country like Je$$e were Honest about Justice for the Victims of the Police, they would be Rallying for this Pastor...

But he's not Black...

And that's all there is.

:)

peace...

[grbennett]

This is one of the weakest attempts at exposing "reverse racism" I have ever seen. You can do better than this. You should use real examples of black on white racism instead of having to say "If this guy had been black...".

[JenyEliza]

Come to Atlanta baby--the cops are dirty. They're dirty on blacks, they're dirty on whites. They're just ****ing dirty. They don't really give a ****....they're dirty, they cover for each other and that's how they roll.

It's especially interesting how they are slandering this young Pastor. It's all gonna come out in the wash, just like the 98 year old Great-Grandma (Katherine Johnson) the cops killed in a bogus no-knock warrant and then planted pot in her house while she lay in the floor, handcuffed to her chair and bled out.

Yeah...those undercover plainclothes now wear Orange Jumpsuits that say "Inmate" on the back.

These guys are gonna go the same place. Mark my words.

[JenyEliza]

If the Race Pimps in the Country like Je$$e were Honest about Justice for the Victims of the Police, they would be Rallying for this Pastor...

But he's not Black...

And that's all there is.

:)

peace...

Ayep....that's all there is. Not black, don't count. Period.

[tha malcontent™]

This is one of the weakest attempts at exposing "reverse racism" I have ever seen. You can do better than this. You should use real examples of black on white racism instead of having to say "If this guy had been black...".

This Happened in Denver... But the Driver of the Car who was Shot to Death was Black...

And the Predictable Outcry of Racism Followed within ****ing Seconds of it being Reported...

I don't have to wonder what it might be like, I have Witnessed it.

Try again.

:)

peace...

[smyrna]

It seems on the surface that this was not a case requiring the use of deadly force. Saying that the preacher tried to run over the officer is really a stretch at best and at worst...a lie.

[JenyEliza]

If the Race Pimps in the Country like Je$$e were Honest about Justice for the Victims of the Police, they would be Rallying for this Pastor...

But he's not Black...

And that's all there is.

:)

peace...

Ayep....."WE WON", remember?

Paybacks are hell--and they're having a hell of a good time paying back ole whitey!

[tha malcontent™]

It seems on the surface that this was not a case requiring the use of deadly force. Saying that the preacher tried to run over the officer is really a stretch at best and at worst...a lie.

We should March and Accuse the Police of Racism or Anti-Christian Bias...

:)

peace...

[JenyEliza]

We could make it the Lavonia 6.... ;)

And take donations and give interviews and roll around in the dough.....with bling hanging from our necks.

Meanwhile....bus loads of folks would roll in go GA to help us get the message out..... :D

[chip]

The "unarmed" pastor was armed with a vehicle with which he struck a police officer while trying to run off.

I dont care what color he is, he deserved to be shot.

[barik]

The "unarmed" pastor was armed with a vehicle with which he struck a police officer while trying to run off.


How was he supposed to know they were cops again? We in Atlanta seem to have a continuous problem with "undercover" cops killing people.

[JenyEliza]

How was he supposed to know they were cops again? We in Atlanta seem to have a continuous problem with "undercover" cops killing people.

Yes we do, and our undercover fuzz seem to prefer killing 98 year old great-grandmas and young Christian father-to-be Pastors. People who AREN'T CRIMINALS. At. All. Not even a question mark there.

Atlanta cops are dirty. That's how they roll. Dirty on whites. Dirty on blacks. Dirty.

[JenyEliza]

The "unarmed" pastor was armed with a vehicle with which he struck a police officer while trying to run off.

I dont care what color he is, he deserved to be shot.

If some guy dressed like a dealer/gang banger comes up to your car, gun drawn, whatchya gonna do? Sit there and let 'em shoot you? Or try to get away?

THAT is what faced the Pastor that was killed.

These cops were UNDERCOVER....it is clear as day on the security video from the gas station/convenience store. AND....their Chief ADMITS THIS.

Me? Some gang banger looking thug pulls a gun on me while I'm in MY car, I'm running his ass O-V-E-R. D-E-A-D. No questions asked.

If it's an undercover cop, too bad. Gotta show me that badge, serve me that warrant, or you be dead.

[smyrna]

If some guy dressed like a dealer/gang banger comes up to your car, gun drawn, whatchya gonna do? Sit there and let 'em shoot you? Or try to get away?

THAT is what faced the Pastor that was killed.

These cops were UNDERCOVER....it is clear as day on the security video from the gas station/convenience store. AND....their Chief ADMITS THIS.

Me? Some gang banger looking thug pulls a gun on me while I'm in MY car, I'm running his ass O-V-E-R. D-E-A-D. No questions asked.

If it's an undercover cop, too bad. Gotta show me that badge, serve me that warrant, or you be dead.

I think that is a reasonable assessment of any citizen in the same situation. The officers did not pull out their badge. They pulled out their guns.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

The cops and Chief of Police involved are now trying to paint the (white) Pastor as "dirty" and "involved in drugs", which I find very very hard to believe from all I've learned about him from interviews with his family on local TV.

So what? The moral of the story is, just like Sean Bell, do not try to escape in your car during a felony stop. If you hit one of the cops, they will dump a clip into you, and rightfully so.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I think that is a reasonable assessment of any citizen in the same situation. The officers did not pull out their badge. They pulled out their guns.

And undoubtedly yelling, "Police! Police! Don't ****ing move *******!"

Cops live by the verbal warning, because it keeps them alive, especially plainclothes knockos.

[barik]

Cops live by the verbal warning, because it keeps them alive, especially plainclothes knockos.

Alternatively, they come in guns blazing, killing 92 year old grandmothers, and then actually PLANTING DRUGS IN THE HOUSE to cover it up, while also PAYING OFF individuals to corroborate their stories. That's the Atlanta police I remember.

I don't think it's all Atlanta police at all, but our "drug enforcement" division or whatever seems to have too many problems to be a mere coincidence these days.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Alternatively, they come in guns blazing, killing 92 year old grandmothers, and then actually PLANTING DRUGS IN THE HOUSE to cover it up, while also PAYING OFF individuals to corroborate their stories. That's the Atlanta police I remember.

I don't think it's all Atlanta police at all, but our "drug enforcement" division or whatever seems to have too many problems to be a mere coincidence these days.

There are still dirty cops, but they're usually lone wolves, usually dope cops stealing from dealers and so forth. Police corruption is at the lowest level it's ever been in human history.

[barik]

There are still dirty cops, but they're usually lone wolves, usually dope cops stealing from dealers and so forth. Police corruption is at the lowest level it's ever been in human history.

Oh I agree, but after the first major incident you would think the Atlanta police department would clean up house, having once lost the public trust. In this case, maybe they identified themselves as police, maybe they didn't, but either way we have yet again another useless casualty due to this war on drugs.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Oh I agree, but after the first major incident you would think the Atlanta police department would clean up house, having once lost the public trust. In this case, maybe they identified themselves as police, maybe they didn't, but either way we have yet again another useless casualty due to this war on drugs.

Police brass are terrified to publicly reform, because they're convinced that it will lead to direct civilian control of their departments.

I would bet real money they identified themselves.

But you're right, the War on Drugs claims another life.

[FidelisAdMortem]

I think this pastor was dabbing in the drug/ho experience.

[smyrna]

And undoubtedly yelling, "Police! Police! Don't ****ing move *******!"

Cops live by the verbal warning, because it keeps them alive, especially plainclothes knockos.

There was no imminent danger that the police were in. No one had guns. No one threatened the police. They are the ones who posed an imminent threat to innocent people because they were not dressed in uniform. They acted like the drug thugs that they were supposedly after. It is easy for me to sit here and judge...I wasn't there but with what information that has been provided thus far...the situation was mishandled and what appears to be an innocent man is now dead.

[sgtmac_46]

This is a local story for me.

The "cops" were plainclothes. They are clearly in "cover your ass" mode right now.

The Pastor had NO idea they were cops. He was Pastoring a person with serious drug and legal problems and had just dropped her off at the gas station.

Then the guns were drawn and he tried like hell to get away. I've seen the video. I would have done the same as him. They are plain clothes--in fact, dressed like street level users/dealers. He thought they were criminals, not cops. I would have ended up as dead as him in the same situation.

Cops are in deep **** over this one. Spinning lies big time. But that's pretty much SOP with cops in the Atlanta area. That's how they roll here.


Wait.......he was just 'Pastoring' some chick with drug and alchol problems? That's what they are calling it these days?

Here's a different, more likely story......age old story......Pastor goes astray! Happens to politicians too.

More than one pastor has been lead down the path to the dark side via crack and hookers. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

I think this pastor was dabbing in the drug/ho experience.

Oops!

[sgtmac_46]

There are still dirty cops, but they're usually lone wolves, usually dope cops stealing from dealers and so forth. Police corruption is at the lowest level it's ever been in human history.

True that.



The issue of the advisability of the war on drugs is a different issue, and not one for the police to ponder. While drugs ARE illegal, pursuing drug offenders IS pursuing other criminals, given the intrinsic link of illegal drugs to other crimes........but that link is directly related to the underground economy.

[FidelisAdMortem]

On aol.com yesterday there was an article about a pastor who faked his abduction, so he would be with his mistress, so yea, it happens.

[sgtmac_46]

On aol.com yesterday there was an article about a pastor who faked his abduction, so he would be with his mistress, so yea, it happens.

Happens all the time! Apparently being a pastor in some circles is like spanish fly.

You get these hood rats and trailer park rats with crack problems showing up at your door looking for 'assistance' and willing to offer services in return, and you can pay for said 'assistance' with church funds!

Here's a prime example of that kind of behavior.

49-year-old Rev. Herman Lewis appeared in Spokane Co. Superior Court this afternoon on charges of assault and attempted kidnapping. According to court documents, Lewis told detectives he went to the Shari's Restaurant near Indiana and Monroe to meet a woman to have sex with.

http://www.fox11az.com/news/topstories/stories/kmsb-20070501-kremjc-policechase.2983c143.html

Sounds like our dead pastor in question had developed the same problem.

TOCCOA, GA -- A pastor in a northeast Georgia community is dead after an investigation into drugs and prostitution. He was killed after officials say he tried to hit an undercover officer with his vehicle outside a convenience store in Toccoa.

The car pulled into the Shell station, where a surveillance video shows Ayres in the store. The video also shows him leaving and getting back into the car, when he was approached by officers.

The sheriff says the officers clearly identified themselves as police, but the car lurched into reverse, hitting one of the officers. The car then lurched forward. That's when one of the officers fired into the car. The car continued down the street before it ended up hitting a tree.

The sheriff said there was a passenger in the car -- a woman that he said was the subject of the drug-prostitution investigation. She has been arrested and charged with selling cocaine -- but not to Ayres, the sheriff said.

The sheriff said the district attorney is looking at additional charges against the woman that could involve charges of prostitution.


Sounds like the Pastor may have realized the GIG was up on his 'extra-curricular' ministry and decided to flee rather than lose his reputation.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=144383&provider=top

[FidelisAdMortem]

Just look at NYC where anyone can be a pastor and you have storefront churches one every block. Give me a break............

[sgtmac_46]

Just look at NYC where anyone can be a pastor and you have storefront churches one every block. Give me a break............

It's mainly for tax purposes. ;)

[FidelisAdMortem]

Yea I know, as they drive around luxury cars registered to their church.

[sgtmac_46]

Yea I know, as they drive around luxury cars registered to their church.

Hey, that tax exempt status is a helluva incentive........and calling it 'tithes' makes money laundering much easier. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ronnie_Sailor,_Jr.

[chip]

I love people are saying they didnt show identification as police.


Just exactly where are you people getting that information from? Possibly your posteriors?

[sgtmac_46]

I love people are saying they didnt show identification as police.


Just exactly where are you people getting that information from? Possibly your posteriors?

Apparently the big yellow panels that say 'POLICE' weren't big enough.

[Greyclouds]

Have we uncovered the police racism supposedly espoused by the title of this thread?

Oh, a correlation falsehood, you say? No...

[sgtmac_46]

Have we uncovered the police racism supposedly espoused by the title of this thread?

Oh, a correlation falsehood, you say? No...

Pretty sure that was just a sarcastic response to the typical 'The police are racist' argument thrown up any time an incident involves a black man.......just guessing. ;)

[Greyclouds]

Pretty sure that was just a sarcastic response to the typical 'The police are racist' argument thrown up any time an incident involves a black man.......just guessing. ;)

Probably. Still, it's a misleading title on the actual event that is described in the article.

[sgtmac_46]

Probably. Still, it's a misleading title on the actual event that is described in the article.

I think that was his intent.......bait and switch. I think he was hoping someone would take the bait and jump on the 'cops are racist' bandwagon without reading the article.

[WhiteFang]

Happens all the time! Apparently being a pastor in some circles is like spanish fly.

You get these hood rats and trailer park rats with crack problems showing up at your door looking for 'assistance' and willing to offer services in return, and you can pay for said 'assistance' with church funds!

Here's a prime example of that kind of behavior.



Sounds like our dead pastor in question had developed the same problem.




Sounds like the Pastor may have realized the GIG was up on his 'extra-curricular' ministry and decided to flee rather than lose his reputation.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/mostpopular/news-article.aspx?storyid=144383&provider=top


You guys, you and FAM, can hug and kiss each other and kiss again, you are love each other, but please reserve you judgment.

Pastor has been missionary to Africa. Compare missionary kids with police officers there are 10 levels above on the scale of honesty and integrity.

[chip]

You guys, you and FAM, can hug and kiss each other and kiss again, you are love each other, but please reserve you judgment.

Pastor has been missionary to Africa. Compare missionary kids with police officers there are 10 levels above on the scale of honesty and integrity.


You realize you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing them of doing dont you?

[WhiteFang]

You realize you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing them of doing dont you?

We should not jump to the judgment on who is wrong here, person is dead, and that is wrong. Boys tried to assign blame to Pastor before all said and done. What I am trying to say is that while guessing police opinion is far lower on credibility scale than that of missionary boys, God blessed me with working with some of them.

[chip]

We should not jump to the judgment on who is wrong here, person is dead, and that is wrong. Boys tried to assign blame to Pastor before all said and done. What I am trying to say is that while guessing police opinion is far lower on credibility scale than that of missionary boys, God blessed me with working with some of them.


You cant help yourself can you?

[WhiteFang]

Yea I know, as they drive around luxury cars registered to their church.

And my old lady drives around in a luxury car registered to her doing charity work.

Give me this crap about tax deductions.

Seems that complex of inferiority, boy.

[WhiteFang]

You cant help yourself can you?

I can. You'd better find a life.

[chip]

I can. You'd better find a life.

:lol:

Apparently you cant.

[WhiteFang]

:lol:

Apparently you cant.

You are so great, you can kiss yourself in the mirror. 37k, 1min per post. divide by hours and 24 hrs per day equal about 26 days. I can build a house. Think of all your time wasted, boy.

[chip]

You are so great, you can kiss yourself in the mirror. 37k, 1min per post. divide by hours and 24 hrs per day equal about 26 days. I can build a house. Think of all your time wasted, boy.

The hits just keep coming.

[FidelisAdMortem]

And my old lady drives around in a luxury car registered to her doing charity work.

Give me this crap about tax deductions.

Seems that complex of inferiority, boy.

I always thought you were a chick and that was you in your avatar. Go figure.

[Old_Mil]

This is a local story for me.

The "cops" were plainclothes. They are clearly in "cover your ass" mode right now.

The Pastor had NO idea they were cops. He was Pastoring a person with serious drug and legal problems and had just dropped her off at the gas station.

Then the guns were drawn and he tried like hell to get away. I've seen the video. I would have done the same as him. They are plain clothes--in fact, dressed like street level users/dealers. He thought they were criminals, not cops. I would have ended up as dead as him in the same situation.

Cops are in deep **** over this one. Spinning lies big time. But that's pretty much SOP with cops in the Atlanta area. That's how they roll here.

You hit the nail on the head...

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

You hit the nail on the head...

You think plainclothes cops don't have badges and don't identify themselves, especially when they're knockos?

[FidelisAdMortem]

You think plainclothes cops don't have badges and don't identify themselves, especially when they're knockos?

Before I was transferred I did anticrime in brooklyn, anticrime is plaincothes, you couldnt not tell we were cops, all this I dont know who they are crap is just that, an excuse to try and skirt the law after the fact.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Before I was transferred I did anticrime in brooklyn, anticrime is plaincothes, you couldnt not tell we were cops, all this I dont know who they are crap is just that, an excuse to try and skirt the law after the fact.

Yeah, you guys do just scream "Cop!" even in civilian clothes. Two of my tipoffs during my delinquent days were this: Not using an umbrella in the rain, or really anything else. Or when two plainclothes officers talk, they face each other but look over the other's shoulder to keep an eye on what's going on.

And the gold-shields are even easier to spot, with their Burberry topcoats and suits.