The OTHER Nation Of Israel

[Jacob_Rising]

There is coming a day when the Jews will be strengthened in their place and they will all look and Mourn to the one who was peirced, This peirced Messiah is called Joseph.

But Joseph is no place to be found because he has been lost for 2700 years.

Having said that, We know that the nation of Joseph will one day be found and they are anyone who becomes one with the Jews in the last days.

Romans tells us that the Messiah will come out of Zion and turn ungodliness from Jacob and so ALL Israel will be saved. This means that all the tribes of Jacob will stand together in that day.
But nobody knows where Joseph is and so there is one thing we can learn about this and know for sure.

Joseph is all the people who are considered Israel who are not Jews.

If you are looking to a Messiah of Israel, You have only 2 to look to look up to.

We know who the Jews are looking to, They look and wait upon ,'' Messiah Ben David''
This Messiah is a man of war who is coming to fight all people, tongues and nations who oppose, oppress, and hate the Jews and their nation. This Messiah Ben David will be the Messiah of all the Jews and all the people who are considered to be ISRAEL.

There is another Messiah talked of in Zechariah who is believed to one day come, but this Messiah Ben Joseph is killed for some reason. It is believed that he has not yet come but that when he does come, he has to die for some reason because we can see where the people mourn for this man.

This Scripture is about Messiah Ben Joseph who dies--------Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour on the House of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of Grace and supplication; Then they will look on me whom they have peirced; They will mourn for him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for him as one grieves for a firstborn.

The cause of this wailing is the wailing For Messiah Ben Joseph who will supposedly be killed in the coming war when God comes to all but annihilate all the nations that came up against Jerusalem.

So this is the perspective that the Jewish people look to, That Messiah Ben Joseph will be killed for some reason in the coming war and they alltogether will mourn for this man.

Now the Christian Community will look to this scripture and tell you that this scripture is Talking about Yeshuah who was peirced and whom the Jews will suddenly see as the Messiah.

Well, That's just all fine and well, Just as long as you own up to the realization of WHO YOU ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the Christians want to say that this scripture is talking about Jesus, Then own up to all the scriptures that referrence this Messiah Ben Joseph and Know that ALL the future Prophecies concerning the people of Joseph are talking about the People who follow this man who was, or will be peirced.

You can not just leave it as ,'' Jesus is this and Jesus is that and pick and choose which sciptures you want, and then toss out the scriptures you don't want.

Here are just a few scriptures for you to own if you want to make the claim that the one who was peirced is Jesus.

Here is a beautiful scripture about Joseph that we can look to with ambition to it's fullfillment.

Zechariah 10;6 '' I will strengthen the house of Judah{Jews}, And I WILL SAVE THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH! I will bring them back, Because I have mercy on them....Those of Ephraim{Joseph's son} shall be like a mighty man.{ Here is your glory to your children} And their heart shall REJOICE as if with wine. YES, their children shall see it and be glad!!!!! Their heart shall rejoice in the Lord.

There are many very glorious scriptures concerning the People of Joseph as they will be like a fire before the nations, and together, Judah and Joseph will swoop down upon their enemies and no one will make them afraid.

You want to say,'' We are not Joseph''
That's all fine and well, too, But just know that if you are not, then you have no Covenant under the contract and salvation of the God of Israel because the covenants are only given to Joseph and Judah and there is no other Israel.

Jeremiah 31:31 '' Behold, the days are coming,'' says the Lord, '' When I will make a New covenant with the House of Israel{Joseph} and with the House of Judah{Jews}--'' Not according to the covenants I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, Though I was a husband to them,'' Says the Lord.

'' But this is the covenant which I will make with the House of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their minds, and write it upon their hearts; And I will be their God, And they shall be my people.

This scripture tells us that if you are not of Joseph and if you are not of Judah then you have no place before the great King in his Messianic age, You have no place or inheritance in Israel.

You would say, '' Brother J_R, Why doesn't the New Testament teach us that we are the children of Messiah Ben Yoseph?'' But The New Testament teaches this fact in Many places in the New Testament and I have posted those scriptures to the point of being Redundant.

Here is just 1 place, Romans 9_24 Even us whom he Called, Not of the Jews only, But also the gentiles, as he says in Hosea{Speaking to Joseph} '' I will call them my people, who were not my people, and her beloved who was not beloved'' And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them{Joseph}, ' You are not my people,' THEY WILL BE CALLED THE SONS OF THE LIVING GOD. This scripture is Joseph's return Promise in that God scattered them to the nations and they became Gentiles because they forsook the Torah, They designed their own religeous system, they abandoned Jerusalem and abandoned their brothers the House of Judah and they built their own Holy places, invented their own Holy ceremonies, and chose anyone they wanted to be ministers to them. They called the Torah,'' A strange thing''

We can point at the Jews and say,'' O, they rejected Jesus'' But the finger can be turned around on ourselves if in fact we say that Jesus is, '' The Word''

Because the Jews can turn and point their finger at us and say,'' They rejected the Torah''

If Jesus is the word, then the shoe is on the other foot and we are guilty just as the Ten tribes of Israel are guilty in that we do call the Torah,'' A strange thing'', Tossed out as if it is finished and done away with.

Repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
What shall we repent for?


I would like to speak to Christians who don't think that Christianity is the House of Joseph because it really is in my opinion and to learn the truth of this, is like having your eyes opened and your ears unplugged because you will begin seeing what the future prophecies really are concerning Christians.

If you just want to say, '' Well I am in there somewhere and I trust God to save me'' I would tell you,'' That's not good enough''

Don't you want to really know or will you just leave it to chance? Just throw your cautions to the wind? Or learn who you are and be ready to step up to the plate.

This lesson is probably the most important lesson in the bible because to learn of it, you learn exactly what your responsibilities are to the God of Israel, and you will learn what is going to make you or break you.

Do you just want to stay a gentile stuck outside the city gates?

Here is your covenant.

Isaiah 56:3 Do not let the son of the foreigner WHO HAS JOINED himself to the Lord speak,saying,'' The Lord has utterly seperated me from his people'',

And here is your responsibilty as a gentile who is gathered to the God of Israel.

'' To those who keep my Sabbaths, and choose what pleases me, AND HOLD fast MY COVENANT, Even them I will give in my house and within my walls a place and a name{Israel} Better than that of sons and daughters....Also the sons of the foriegner who joins himself to the Lord to serve him...To be his servants------Everyone who keeps from DEFILING THE SABBATH, AND HOLDS FAST MY COVENANT, Even them will I bring to My Holy mountain, and make them Joyfull in my house of Prayer..

So you see, No matter if your a gentile or if you consider yourself to be of Joseph, The responsibilities are one and the same.

repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand and remember the Law of Moses, My servant.

[Jacob_Rising]

There is a very simple way to see and Know what I am trying to say about the Two nations of Israel. It would be good to go and search out the History of Samaria which is called the House of Israel.

It is also called the nation of Ephraim and it fell because of the sins of Jereboam.

It is called,'' Joseph''

But it's really not that complicated because we allready have the furture of the Messianic Kingdom described. The Glorious beauty of the coming Immortals.

I always quote alot from the Old Testament because that's where most of the Prophecies of the Thousand year reign of King Messiah is found.

But they can also be easily found in the New Testament, In Revelation, Romans, Mathew, ect, ect.

Each one of these Prophecies of the Returned Kingdom found in The New Testament can easily be traced to the promises of that same kingdom in the Old Testament.

You don't have to trace names that much, you just have to admit to your own self what is written about the Great Messianic age.

You just have to admit to yourself just who is who and you have to admit that we are only discussing 3 individuals who will be with the Messiah Ben David in his Kingdom.

The Covenants are black and white and just as simple.

There are only two people there with the King, Just two.

Did I contradict myself because I said, '' 3 individuals?''

No I didn't because there are 3 individuals, But yet there are only two.:think:

Am I asking myself to many questions and then answering my own questions like an idiot?:eh: Maybe:D

Seriously though, There are only two people there, just as it has always been, there were only 2 individuals who crossed over Jordan and there are only two Witnesses, the others besides these two, ......Well, They are all just lumped together in the end and they wait upon the second judgement being seperated from the 1000 year Messianic Kingdom of Messiah Ben David.

Zechariah 37;24 '' David my servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one Shephard; They shall also walk in my judgements and observe my statutes, and do them. '' Then they shall dwell in the land{Promised Messianic land} that I have given to Jacob my servant......David shall be my prince forever.

It says the same thing in Revelation, same two people, Joseph and Judah doing the same exact thing.

So who is this 3rd individual I spoke of?

It's Little Benjamin, The only true brother of Joseph by the same Mother, The Only true beloved of David by the same spirit.

Little Benjamin is hidden within Joseph and Judah.

Jerusalem is in Benjamin.

Be Benjamin.

[DRS]

Jacob what do you think of these scriptures?

John 19:37*And, again, a different scripture says: “They will look to the One whom they pierced.”

Revelation 1:7*Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen.

[Jacob_Rising]

Joseph, The Promise of return given from Ephraim's promise in Hosea 1:9,10- 2:23.
Romans 9;25, Romans 10;19

Romans 10;19 But I say, Did Israel not know? First Moses says; '' I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation{Joseph}, I will anger you with a Foolish nation{Joseph}.'' But Isaiah is very Bold and says; '' I was found by those who didn't seek me{Joseph}; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for me{Joseph}.

If these scriptures came true by the coming of Jesus and the birth of his Church, Then know that joseph had been lost into the nations for 700 years before his coming.

1st Peter 2:9 But you are a Chosen generation, a royal Priesthood, a Holy Nation, HIS OWN SPECIAL PEOPLE, that you may proclaim the praises of him who called you{Joseph} out of darkness into his Marvelous light; WHO WERE ONCE NOT A PEOPLE BUT ARE NOW THE PEOPLE OF GOD, WHO HAD NOT OBTAINED MERCY{JOSEPH} BUT NOW HAVE OBTAINED MERCY. Hosea 1-9, 10:: 2;23---This scripture is of Joseph.

It is true that our decisions in this world will seal our fate for the next world but don't suppose that decisions will cease or that the refining of spirits cease.

The foolish virgins were cast into outer darkness and it is true this leads to destruction, but the end is still not the end to them because the outer darkness is the outer court, and the weeping and gnashing of teeth is to find yourself tossed to this court one day, but this isn't the end.

1st Peter 4:6 For this reason the truth was preached also to those who are dead.

We can find this outer court of Darkness in Corinthians and look to see the difference.

1st Corinthians 3:15 If anyone's work is burned, he WILL SUFFER LOSS; But he himself will be saved, yet so as through a fire.

''Each one's work will become manifest, For the day will declare it, Because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work.''

So if your work is burned and you suffer a loss and then die by the fire, then where are you?

It says that your saved but only as one who goes through a fire and dies.

Your saved but you just wont be here during the Messianic age and the weeping and gnashing of teeth is just for you because you will realize that you could have seen the truth but refused it, and thus you wait.

[pillgrim]

Hey Jacob,
I am the bride of the Messiah. Another person you seem to have forgotten about. I am in intimate relationship with Him and He has whispered sweet nothings in my ear that I, as His bride, will reign with Him in the millenium.

[Jacob_Rising]

Hey Jacob,
I am the bride of the Messiah. Another person you seem to have forgotten about. I am in intimate relationship with Him and He has whispered sweet nothings in my ear that I, as His bride, will reign with Him in the millenium.Yes, I havn't heard any different from any Christian, and so all those scriptures about the difference in some Christians must be wrong, Hmm?

No one's work will birn, no virgin shall weep, and everyone is a white bride, but tell me, what will you wear to the wedding, and I suppose you allready know the date?

[pillgrim]

Yes, I havn't heard any different from any Christian, and so all those scriptures about the difference in some Christians must be wrong, Hmm?

No one's work will birn, no virgin shall weep, and everyone is a white bride, but tell me, what will you wear to the wedding, and I suppose you allready know the date?White robes of His righteousness.
it will be when he descends from His Father's house to call us out to meet him in the courtyard of the air. WE are to ready and waiting.



Rev 19:7-8
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

[Jacob_Rising]

White robes of His righteousness.
it will be when he descends from His Father's house to call us out to meet him in the courtyard of the air. WE are to ready and waiting.



Rev 19:7-8
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.


Let me just ask you a simple question since you don't seem to know the date.

If you die before the coming of Jesus, will you be resurrected at his return to be the bride?

If so, then tell me what your name is.

[pillgrim]

Let me just ask you a simple question since you don't seem to know the date.

If you die before the coming of Jesus, will you be resurrected at his return to be the bride?

If so, then tell me what your name is.
It is not "to be the bride" But rather "is the bride"
I have no idea what tree you are barking up.
But I know the kickoff of college football is right now.
Have a good evening!

[Rick Rhetoric]

In practical and empirical terms, would not the "other" nation of Israel be its 20 percent Muslim population?

[Jacob_Rising]

It is not "to be the bride" But rather "is the bride"
I have no idea what tree you are barking up.
But I know the kickoff of college football is right now.
Have a good evening!You say you are the bride and Jesus told us that the bride will know when the wedding is because it does have a day set out of the calender.

I asked you if you will be resurrected when Jesus comes because the bride is resurrected but she knows what her name is.

'' These are the firstfruits to God and to the lamb''

So says Revelation.

You say you will be given white robes but how do you get them?

They must be obtained, but there is also other appearl and then there are the stones.

What color is yours?

Only the Bride will enter the city of Jerusalem because Jerusalem is the bride and there is 12 gates to the city and each gate has a Key, do you have one?

There are a great many of people who teach Jesus in the streets and who even perform miracles in his name but to the many will be said, '' I do not know you, depart from me'' and ,'' What are these clothes that you are wearing, depart from me''

Many sons will come to the kingdom to recline with Abraham Isaac and Jacob with big smiles on their faces just to hear the bad news, '' Depart from my kingdom''

If the sons of the kingdom are allowed access but then thrown out, where do they go? The evil never enter the kingdom but some of the sons will, but not all get to stay.

:razz: I'm not trying to pick on you man, I'm always just trying to work things out for myself ,plus, you are the only one who will talk to me. Everyone else has pity on the crazy guy. It's like the Indians and how they wouldn't kill a mad man, they just had pity.

But A marriage really does have many little riturals that are to be rehearsed, These riturals are set in the harvest because the land is connected to the people and the visitations of God for mankind. We say that Jesus had to come on Passover and likewise we had to count the 7's to reach the 50th day of Jubilee and the last ten days are extremely important.

The Harvest days and the Sabbaths are not set up to say that you go to hell if you don't completely keep them, They are set up in order to know the times of your visitation and they are rehearsals before a Marriage takes place.

The Bible itself is a Marriage contract and the Contract must be known to the bride or the Bride is just a foolish virgin who is not prepared for the coming of her husband, '' Let the Bridegroom come from his chamber and the Bride from her dressing room''

'' I swear unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee...And thou becamest Mine .Then washed I thee with water.''

Where are we told what day the wedding banquet is?

Everywhere would be the answer, because the whole of the book is to prepare and rehearse for that one particular day.

It is the day of the sounding of the last trump{1st Corinthians 15:52}. Even the Talmud states this fact in Talmud, Rosh Hashanah 16b because this is the resurrection of the dead.

But while this banquet is going on, so is another seperate banquet for the birds.

How do you relay to someone that the foolish virgins are those who were not prepared for the coming of the bridegroom?

They are virgins because their sins were washed and so they are saved, but only as one who goes through a fire, and so they weep and gnash their teeth because they simply did not know the Lord, They did not rehearse, They just didn't realize how important it is just to know Jesus.

That is really all that we are asked to do.

God doesn't expect some great thing that we have to accomplish, he expects us to feed the poor, to love mercy, to do justly But even these things do not get you the ring on your finger, it gets you the dress but that doesn't mean you will go on the honeymoon.

He simply wants us to know him.

To know him is to know and rehearse for his Marriage banquet.

To seek out life and new civilization, to go where no man{oops wrong one}.

The Lord isn't so different than us in this matter, No man wants a woman who isn't really in love with him. If the woman is really in love, she will seek out all there is to know about the man and she will be fully dressed in expectation of his coming, and she will go out and buy a field and plant and sew, and reep and she will take her harvest to the market and sell, and she will purchase Oil and wine and a beautiful dress.