Why does the left think Castro is good?

[Think America]

I am amazed at what we are hearing these days. Anyone who promotes such ideas is dead wrong.

[agent_86]

Because they are the "left."

[Buschb]

They like Communism,,,that's all I could gather

[agent_86]

They like Communism,,,that's all I could gather

Like? They are communists. Hell, some of the "right" in washington are socialists.

[ThinkingMan]

Because the left thinks the seat of genius and prosperity is in government.

The more power the government has to implement these silly notions, the better.

And hence, they love all dictators.

[Conan]

Make no mistake the left would do what Castro did to Cuba.

[Think America]

Because the left thinks the seat of genius and prosperity is in government.

The more power the government has to implement these silly notions, the better.

And hence, they love all dictators.

If a person believes in the castro way than they can not support and defend our constitution and should legally have no place in our government, why isn't something being done about this

[Drawz]

I am amazed at what we are hearing these days. Anyone who promotes such ideas is dead wrong.

Who on the left is saying Castro is good?

[Bluenose177]

it's quite funny to hear the left still referencing Castro, I thought he was old news.

I thought Chavez was the new radical marxist play thing for the left and the Hollyweird elite

[Think America]

Who on the left is saying Castro is good?

Rep. Watson from CA

[ThinkingMan]

If a person believes in the castro way than they can not support and defend our constitution and should legally have no place in our government, why isn't something being done about this

Because the MSM helps others believe that Castro is admirable. Like Barbara Walters, and Micheal Moore.

[Buschb]

Who on the left is saying Castro is good?

Democrat Diane Watson Openly Praises Cuba's Communist Revolution and Fidel Castro's "Health Care System" - Audio 8/27/09
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/democrat-diane-watson-openly-praises.html

[Charlie A]

While Castro was indeed a brute, he was badly mishandled by Eisenhower and more personally by Nixon. It is entirely possible that he could have been co-opted or at least bought off, if our people had taken him seriously.

[Bluenose177]

Who on the left is saying Castro is good?

Diane Watson for a start

Mark Lloyd

Van Jones


and take your pick of about a 100 Holly-weird actors who see a visit to Cuba and to Castro as some sort of "religious" pilgrimage.

(funny how Cubans are desperate to get out of that hell hole, so somebody must be wrong)

[Buschb]

While Castro was indeed a brute, he was badly mishandled by Eisenhower and more personally by Nixon. It is entirely possible that he could have been co-opted or at least bought off, if our people had taken him seriously.

I agree...

[Drawz]

Rep. Watson from CA

What did he/she say?

[WickedKoala]

Who on the left is saying Castro is good?

No one, but does that matter?

[WickedKoala]

What did he/she say?

He said 'I wanna give Castro a big sloppy kiss and then roll around in a big bowl of communism'.

True story.

[Think America]

While Castro was indeed a brute, he was badly mishandled by Eisenhower and more personally by Nixon. It is entirely possible that he could have been co-opted or at least bought off, if our people had taken him seriously.

Oh of course its probably OUR FAULT, what was I thinking

shoulda woulda coulda, mean nothing, try dealing with what is.

I

[Charlie A]

I agree...

Its not like Batista was any prize.

http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/batista.htm

[Sknyluv]

I think Castro is good? News to me.

[ThinkingMan]

I think Castro is good? News to me.

No one said you specifically.

[WickedKoala]

I think Castro is good? News to me.

Don't deny it. The Right has spoken. Therefore you love Castro.

I'm forced to love Castro now too, and I didn't really want to, but apparently I have no choice in the matter. :think:

[Buschb]

Its not like Batista was any prize.

http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/batista.htm

thank you ....link has some good info

[DaveKlassix]

I am amazed at what we are hearing these days. Anyone who promotes such ideas is dead wrong.

probably because he is everything they aspire to be.

[Charlie A]

Oh of course its probably OUR FAULT, what was I thinking

shoulda woulda coulda, mean nothing, try dealing with what is.

I

What was was that the Cubans had every right to be ****ed at us thanks to FDR and and later Ike supporting Batista, a gangster who overthrew two elected presidents and had no respect for the rule of law. Castro likewise has no respect for the rule of law (unless it is his law) but he is a hero to many Cubans for standing up to us, and surviving, if not thriving.

Cuba is a basket case and stories of its wonderful healthcare system are obviously about Potemkin clinics. But we have to recognize our role in the betrayal of our own national principles in return for the short game advantage in realpolitik.

[Sknyluv]

No one said you specifically.

Well ... the "left" was about as specific as the OP got. Guess I think Castro is good.

[Drawz]

Democrat Diane Watson Openly Praises Cuba's Communist Revolution and Fidel Castro's "Health Care System" - Audio 8/27/09
http://www.freedomslighthouse.com/2009/08/democrat-diane-watson-openly-praises.html

Wow.
Thanks for the link.
I don't know anything about Cuba's health care system. Nor do I know how bright the man is.
But to praise someone who's country is still in such bad shape after decades of his rulership is absurd.

[Sknyluv]

probably because he is everything they aspire to be.

There I go again aspiring to be like Castro. I learn so much about myself from these boards.

[Think America]

No one, but does that matter?

The Congressional Black Caucus Goes on Spring Break with the Castros
The members, all wearing USA / Cuba flag pins, each expressed the need for opening relations with the island nation just 90 miles south of the US, and had effusive praise for both Raul and Fidel Castro, with whom they met for several hours on Monday

[Charlie A]

There I go again aspiring to be like Castro. I learn so much about myself from these boards.

I'm not saying you in particular Mr. Beltway, you know something of the real world after all. But there are a few nutburgers out there in lefty loolooville who would love to see the USA become a socialist worker's paradise like Cuba... yuck.

[WickedKoala]

There I go again aspiring to be like Castro. I learn so much about myself from these boards.

It's a real eye opener.

I just found out I was a Nazi.

[Drawz]

No one, but does that matter?

It appears that at least one CA rep. did, in fact praise the man.

[WickedKoala]

It appears that at least one CA rep. did, in fact praise the man.

Well hells bells that must mean everyone loves him. With that kind of accepted logic I could have gotten my degree in 3 days.

[Charlie A]

The Congressional Black Caucus Goes on Spring Break with the Castros
The members, all wearing USA / Cuba flag pins, each expressed the need for opening relations with the island nation just 90 miles south of the US, and had effusive praise for both Raul and Fidel Castro, with whom they met for several hours on Monday

That's old news of course, but it does support the conservative hypothesis that the far left in this country is largely made up of the delusional or unthinkably gullible, and led by the most shameless liars imaginable.

[Bluenose177]

the OP said "the left" but if you'd bothered to read the other posts and not just jump in you'd have seen references to a few specific left wing politicians and those Obamao zsars.

ding ding all aboard the offended bus :rolleyes:

[WickedKoala]

That's old news of course, but it does support the liberal hypothesis that the far right in this country is largely made up of the delusional or unthinkably gullible, and led by the most shameless liars imaginable.

Fixed that for you. See how easy it is to swap things around. Not much really changes.

[Think America]

That's old news of course, but it does support the conservative hypothesis that the far left in this country is largely made up of the delusional or unthinkably gullible, and led by the most shameless liars imaginable.

I was just siting furth info

[Charlie A]

Fixed that for you. See how easy it is to swap things around. Not much really changes.

Wow, I got Palined! :eek:

[Drawz]

He said 'I wanna give Castro a big sloppy kiss and then roll around in a big bowl of communism'.

True story.

Well that beard was awful sexy, and who can resist a man in uniform?

[Old Goat]

Well, if Fidel takes the dirt nap soon, maybe the leftists will want to rename socialized medicine "CastroCare".

Wonder if the Kennedy kid is available for the prayer.

[Charlie A]

Well that beard was awful sexy, and who can resist a man in uniform?

Especially with that chewed up robusto permanently clamped between his highly advanced Cuban dental work...

Still, you have to admit he's one tough SOB, and that counts a lot for nationalist pride.

[WickedKoala]

Well, if Fidel takes the dirt nap soon, maybe the leftists will want to rename socialized medicine "CastroCare".

Wonder if the Kennedy kid is available for the prayer.

You are one classy fellow.

[cj234]

the OP said "the left" but if you'd bothered to read the other posts and not just jump in you'd have seen references to a few specific left wing politicians and those Obamao zsars.

ding ding all aboard the offended bus :rolleyes:

They didn't bother reading the other post and you can tell they must get their news from NBC. They enjoy their head in the sand too much!!!

[Think America]

Well hells bells that must mean everyone loves him. With that kind of accepted logic I could have gotten my degree in 3 days.

The basic arguement is that we have people in power in our goverment who think he is a good example of leadership.

how do you contend that anyone on the left doesn't support the cuban model?
what do you think of Castro?

[Old Goat]

You are one classy fellow.

I watch Letterman.

[Think America]

Fixed that for you. See how easy it is to swap things around. Not much really changes.

you can be banned for changing a persons quote, just thought I'd let you know

[Drawz]

Especially with that chewed up robusto permanently clamped between his highly advanced Cuban dental work...

Still, you have to admit he's one tough SOB, and that counts a lot for nationalist pride.

You're right there. He sucessfully thumbed his nose at the most powerful country in the world for decades.

[Drawz]

you can be banned for changing a persons quote, just thought I'd let you know

Not when your intent isn't to misrepresent what they said and you make it clear in your post that you've changed their words.

Just thought I'd let you know.

[Think America]

You're right there. He sucessfully thumbed his nose at the most powerful country in the world for decades.

are you kidding, I got news for you these people were Proud Cubans, how much for nationalism did this say, I am sure seeing him with his cigar was great for those he IMPRISONED

Whereas credible nongovernmental observers report that the imprisoned democracy activists include--
(1) Osvaldo Alfonso Valdes, sentenced for 18 years;
(2) Librado Linares Garcia, sentenced for 20 years;
(3) Raul Rivero Castaneda, sentenced for 20 years;
(4) Martha Beatriz Roque Cabello, sentenced for 20 years;
(5) Victor Rolando Arroyo Carmona, sentenced for 26 years;
(6) Mijail Barzaga Lugo, sentenced for 15 years;
(7) Oscar Elias Biscet, sentenced for 25 years;
(8) Margarito Broche Espinosa, sentenced for 25 years;
(9) Dr. Marcelo Cana Rodriguez, sentenced for 18 years;
(10) Roberto de Miranda Hernandez, sentenced for 20 years;
(11) Carmelo Diaz Fernandez, sentenced for 18 years;
(12) Eduardo Diaz Fleitas, sentenced for 21 years;
(13) Antonio Diaz Sanchez, sentenced for 20 years;
(14) Alfredo Dominguez Batista, sentenced for 14 years;
(15) Oscar Espinosa Chepe, sentenced for 20 years;
(16) Alfredo Felipe Fuentes, sentenced for 26 years;
(17) Efren Fernandez Fernandez, sentenced for 12 years;
(18) Adolfo Fernandez Sainz, sentenced for 15 years;
(19) Jose Daniel Ferrer Garcia, sentenced for 25 years;
(20) Luis Enrique Ferrer Garcia, sentenced for 28 years;
(21) Orlando Fundora Alvarez, sentenced for 20 years;
(22) Prospero Gainza Aguero, sentenced for 25 years;
(23) Miguel Galban Gutierrez, sentenced for 26 years;
(24) Julio Cesar Galvez Rodriguez, sentenced for 15 years;
(25) Jose Luis Garcia Paneque, sentenced for 24 years;
(26) Edel Jose Garcia Diaz, sentenced for 16 years;
(27) Ricardo Gonzalez Alfonso, sentenced for 20 years;
(28) Diosdado Gonzalez Marrero, sentenced for 20 years;
(29) Lester Gonzalez Penton, sentenced for 20 years;
(30) Alejandro Gonzalez Raga, sentenced for 14 years;
(31) Jorge Luis Gonzalez Tanquero, sentenced for 20 years;
(32) Leonel Grave de Peralta Almenares, sentenced for 20 years;
(33) Ivan Hernandez Carrillo, sentenced for 25 years;
(34) Normando Hernandez Gonzalez, sentenced for 25 years;
(35) Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta, sentenced for 20 years;
(36) Regis Iglesias Ramirez, sentenced for 18 years;
(37) Jose Ubaldo Izquierdo Hernandez, sentenced for 16 years;
(38) Reinaldo Labrada Pena, sentenced for 6 years;
(39) Nelson Alberto Aguiar Ramirez, sentenced for 13 years;
(40) Marcelo Lopez Banobre, sentenced for 15 years;
(41) Jose Miguel Martinez Hernandez, sentenced for 13 years;
(42) Hector Maseda Gutierrez, sentenced for 20 years;
(43) Mario Enrique Mayo Hernandez, sentenced for 20 years;
(44) Dr. Luis Milan Fernandez, sentenced for 13 years;
(45) Nelson Moline Espino, sentenced for 20 years;
(46) Angel Juan Moya Acosta, sentenced for 20 years;
(47) Jesus Mustafa Felipe, sentenced for 25 years;
(48) Felix Navarro Rodriguez, sentenced for 25 years;
(49) Jorge Olivera Castillo, sentenced for 18 years;
(50) Pablo Pacheco Avila, sentenced for 20 years;
(51) Hector Palacios Ruiz, sentenced for 25 years;
(52) Arturo Perez de Alejo Rodriguez, sentenced for 20 years;
(53) Omar Pernet Hernandez, sentenced for 25 years;
(54) Horacio Julio Pina Borrego, sentenced for 20 years;
(55) Fabio Prieto Llorente, sentenced for 20 years;
(56) Alfredo Pulido Lopez, sentenced for 14 years;
(57) Jose Gabriel Ramon Castillo, sentenced for 20 years;
(58) Arnaldo Ramos Lauzerique, sentenced for 18 years;
(59) Blas Giraldo Reyes Rodriguez, sentenced for 25 years;
(60) Pedro Pablo Alvarez Ramos, sentenced for 25 years;
(61) Alexis Rodriguez Fernandez, sentenced for 15 years;
(62) Omar Rodriguez Saludes, sentenced for 27 years;
(63) Pedro Arguelles Moran, sentenced for 20 years;
(64) Omar Ruiz Hernandez, sentenced for 18 years;
(65) Claro Sanchez Albtarriba, sentenced for 15 years;
(66) Ariel Sigler Amaya, sentenced for 20 years;
(67) Guido Sigler Amaya, sentenced for 20 years;
(68) Ricardo Enrique Silva Gual, sentenced for 10 years;
(69) Fidel Suarez Cruz, sentenced for 20 years;
(70) Manuel Ubals Gonzalez, sentenced for 20 years;
(71) Julio Antonio Valdes Guevara, sentenced for 20 years;
(72) Miguel Valdes Tamayo, sentenced for 15 years;
(73) Hector Raul Valle Hernandez, sentenced for 12 years;
(74) Manuel Vazquez Portal, sentenced for 18 years; and
(75) Antonio Augusto Villarreal Acosta, sentenced for 15 years;
Whereas the imprisoned political opponents of Castro include librarians, journalists, poets, and others who have supported the Varela Project, which seeks to bring free speech, open elections, and democracy to Cuba;
Whereas Fidel Castro seized the opportunity to expand his brutal oppression of the people of Cuba

[Drawz]

are you kidding, I got news for you these people were Proud Cubans, how much for nationalism did this say, I am sure seeing him with his cigar was great for those he IMPRISONED

I was agreeing with the "tough SOB" statement.

[Charlie A]

you can be banned for changing a persons quote, just thought I'd let you know

He made it plain it was just a gimmick and I won't complain about it just because he's baiting me.

I've been thinking about it though - to say "the right" isn't quite the same as saying "the left." Left wingers tend towards collectivism, and share a common thread of using the government to advance a social agenda, no matter how nuts that agenda may be.

Right wingers however, particularly the most radical, tend to be almost non-political in their ideology. Just because radical libertarians are on the right side of the political fence, to oversimplify, does not mean that they will agree with or make a deal with the KKK. John Birchers are not in any way neoNazis and will not associate with them. There is a lot less commonality on the right side of the political spectrum than on the left.

Liberals can make deals with socialists who can make deals with Earth Firsters, who can make deals with the Black Panthers and so on, and they can build coalitions with a great deal of cohesion because any individual objection to another groups offensive ideology will be subsumed by the collective call of doing what is best for the "common good."

Righties don't generally get too worked up about the common good and are inherently suspicious that people who ask you to do something for the common good have things set up so that the common good benefits them disproportionally.

[Charlie A]

I was agreeing with the "tough SOB" statement.

I'm just trying to be objective about it. In order for us not to repeat our mistakes in dealing with Cuba, we first must acknowledge them. And could he possibly still be there if we hadn't made a series of colossal blunders?

[Darkblade]

Why does the left think Castro is good? " the heart of the fool inclineth left..."

Ecclesiastes 10:2

The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.

[Think America]

He made it plain it was just a gimmick and I won't complain about it just because he's baiting me.

I've been thinking about it though - to say "the right" isn't quite the same as saying "the left." Left wingers tend towards collectivism, and share a common thread of using the government to advance a social agenda, no matter how nuts that agenda may be.

Right wingers however, particularly the most radical, tend to be almost non-political in their ideology. Just because radical libertarians are on the right side of the political fence, to oversimplify, does not mean that they will agree with or make a deal with the KKK. John Birchers are not in any way neoNazis and will not associate with them. There is a lot less commonality on the right side of the political spectrum than on the left.

Liberals can make deals with socialists who can make deals with Earth Firsters, who can make deals with the Black Panthers and so on, and they can build coalitions with a great deal of cohesion because any individual objection to another groups offensive ideology will be subsumed by the collective call of doing what is best for the "common good."

Righties don't generally get too worked up about the common good and are inherently suspicious that people who ask you to do something for the common good have things set up so that the common good benefits them disproportionally.

actually what your trying to say can be summed up in the Muslim ideology :

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

as for you defamation of righties , ie they don't "get worked up" (care) about the common good , and are "inherently suspicious" pretty low bs, wrapped in your faux hightone bs

I didn't just come to this, Ive watched the lefts game for a while

[Darkblade]

there is another verse on this concerning believing evil is good and good is evil. actually it is expressed several times in the bible in different places.

[Long Island Bob]

I'm just trying to be objective about it. In order for us not to repeat our mistakes in dealing with Cuba, we first must acknowledge them. And could he possibly still be there if we hadn't made a series of colossal blunders?

blame america first . . . . look for facts second

[Drawz]

He made it plain it was just a gimmick and I won't complain about it just because he's baiting me.


Also, I LOVE Fidel Castro!! I think he's the bee's knee's!! All rightwing men want to be him and all rightwing women want to be with him!!
If it was possible, I'd trade him my healthy body for his deteriorating one so that he could go on with his benelovent stewardship of the communist paradise that is Cuba!!

OMG! Charlie! I never would have guessed that that's how you truely felt!
Just goes to show, you can never tell about people. :)

[Charlie A]

actually what your trying to say can be summed up in the Muslim ideology :

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

as for you defamation of righties , ie they don't "get worked up" (care) about the common good , and are "inherently suspicious" pretty low bs, wrapped in your faux hightone bs

I didn't just come to this, Ive watched the lefts game for a while

Not conservatives, not people who have a genuine respect for the Constitution and consider it to be the definition of what the country is. As I said in an earlier post (on this thread I think) an extremist is someone who elevates their ideology above the rule of law, and it is hard to envision an extremist conservative, because naturally extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

I am personally inherently suspicious of someone who flies to multiple speaking engagements in a private jet, rails about Americans driving around in SUVs, and picks up a 6 figure honorarium on the way to their next whistle-stop. And my hightone bs is certifiably genuine. That last bit almost offended me. :)

[Charlie A]

blame america first . . . . look for facts second

No, I love America. I blame knuckleheaded politicians, not America.

[Charlie A]

OMG! Charlie! I never would have guessed that that's how you truely felt!
Just goes to show, you can never tell about people. :)

:razz:

[Drawz]

Why does the left think Castro is good? " the heart of the fool inclineth left..."

Ecclesiastes 10:2

Wow, Ecclesiastes anticipated the seating chart of the French Parliament? Neat.

Or... maybe, just maybe, that expression meant something else to the ancient Hebrews?

[Think America]

Castro and his sidekick Che "the butcher"
I know this is about the sidekick Che, but I thought it might be interesting to hear from someone of Cuban desent,

He is talking about the way history is being rewritten :

They turned a blind eye to anything that did not fit in with their idealised image of Guevara. A prolific diarist, Guevara nevertheless wrote vividly of his role as an executioner. In one passage he described the execution of Eutimio Guerra, a peasant and army guide.
“I fired a .32calibre bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain which came out through his left temple,” was Guevara’s clinical description of the killing. “He moaned for a few moments, then died.”


That’s the “man” whose ugly mug can be found on the t-shirts of so many useful idiots. Maybe said t-shirts should include that quote, “I fired a .32calibre bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain; He moaned for a few moments, then died.” I wonder how many useful idiots would wear it then?

[DaveKlassix]

Well, if Fidel takes the dirt nap soon, maybe the leftists will want to rename socialized medicine "CastroCare".

Wonder if the Kennedy kid is available for the prayer.

I think FidelCare has a better ring to it.

[Darkblade]

Wow, Ecclesiastes anticipated the seating chart of the French Parliament? Neat.

Or... maybe, just maybe, that expression meant something else to the ancient Hebrews?you could think that out of context but if you survey the bible for verses pertaining to good and evil or degenerate society or foolishness you would know that indeed they are talking about associating the left with evil, decadence, sin and foolishness.

[DaveKlassix]

Hey, even that airhead (other than Beckel) on the panel tonight thinks Hitler was a brilliant man, and that its ok to teach MB to 5 year olds.

[Charlie A]

Castro and his sidekick Che "the butcher"
I know this is about the sidekick Che, but I thought it might be interesting to hear from someone of Cuban desent,

He is talking about the way history is being rewritten :

They turned a blind eye to anything that did not fit in with their idealised image of Guevara. A prolific diarist, Guevara nevertheless wrote vividly of his role as an executioner. In one passage he described the execution of Eutimio Guerra, a peasant and army guide.
“I fired a .32calibre bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain which came out through his left temple,” was Guevara’s clinical description of the killing. “He moaned for a few moments, then died.”


That’s the “man” whose ugly mug can be found on the t-shirts of so many useful idiots. Maybe said t-shirts should include that quote, “I fired a .32calibre bullet into the right hemisphere of his brain; He moaned for a few moments, then died.” I wonder how many useful idiots would wear it then?

It is surprising to see just how much history is written by sociopaths.

[Charlie A]

I think FidelCare has a better ring to it.

What about Fidelity Insurance? :think:

[Drawz]

you could think that out of context but if you survey the bible for verses pertaining to good and evil or degenerate society or foolishness you would know that indeed they are talking about associating the left with evil, decadence, sin and foolishness.

Yes, and in Latin the word sinister is also associated with the left hand or left side:

Main Entry:
sin·is·ter
Pronunciation:
\ˈsi-nəs-tər, archaic sə-ˈnis-\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
Middle English sinistre, from Anglo-French senestre on the left, from Latin sinistr-, sinister on the left side, unlucky, inauspicious
Date:
15th century
1archaic : unfavorable, unlucky
2archaic : fraudulent
3: singularly evil or productive of evil
4 a: of, relating to, or situated to the left or on the left side of something ; especially : being or relating to the side of a heraldic shield at the left of the person bearing it b: of ill omen by reason of being on the left
5: presaging ill fortune or trouble
6: accompanied by or leading to disaster
— sin·is·ter·ly adverb
— sin·is·ter·ness noun

However, that still has no relevance to modern political terminology.

[Drawz]

What about Fidelity Insurance? :think:

Holy Crap!

Your post just made me realize that the USMC is infested with Commie sympathizers!

"Semper Fidelis"!? It's right in front of you people! Open your eyes!!

[Darkblade]

you don't think we know evil when we see it? indeed the modern left is a center of pestilence and evil. therefore it is very relevant to modern political terminology.

Yes, and in Latin the word sinister is also associated with the left hand or left side:



However, that still has no relevance to modern political terminology.

[Mike88]

No one, but does that matter?


Why the need to you to lie your ass off? Are you just going to ignore Rep Watson that has already been mentioned with prominant youtube video of here admitting her love and admiration for Cuba? You conveniently forgetting about Michael Moore's "documentary" praising Cuba's helathcare system as vastly superior to ours? You may not like the ugly public image it gives your party, but the Democrats ARE communist. Obama is hiring communists to write economic policy and appointing them as czars. I'd tell you to wake up, but I already understand that today's liberal is a communist.

[MadazzVeteran]

...... he's the last surviving long term dictator who held Cuba in chains for years; a goal the left is so very proud of. And so, the left wishes to return to the day of the '55 Chevy.

[akarra]

That's a really good question - it's one thing for those of us on the Right & Left to have different views about things, but it is a wonder how the Left can tolerate Castro. Cuba is in terrible shape and it is pretty much all his fault; leftwing human rights groups are well aware of the horror of Cuban prisons and the awful treatment of dissidents.

I don't have an answer for you; all I can say is that the Left must grow up: they need to ask themselves whether they would want to live in Cuba or not.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

I am amazed at what we are hearing these days. Anyone who promotes such ideas is dead wrong.

Castro is not a good guy, Raul Castro is especially not a good guy, but Cuba is not a national threat to America in any way shape or form. The best way to get these guys out of power is to get rid of the embargo and trade with them. I mean, as soon as the people in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union started trading with the West, the Sovs didn't last five more years.

[killSocialism]

Who on the left is saying Castro is good?

Representative Watson just said it and her constituents gave her an applause.

The congressional Black Caucus just a few months ago took a trip to Cuba and came back with a glowing review of the Castro brothers. We shouldn't have let them back in the country.

[killSocialism]

Castro is not a good guy, Raul Castro is especially not a good guy, but Cuba is not a national threat to America in any way shape or form. The best way to get these guys out of power is to get rid of the embargo and trade with them. I mean, as soon as the people in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union started trading with the West, the Sovs didn't last five more years.

The point is Tommy, that lefties love the Castro ideology......we have a real problem in America when one side of our political spectrum truely thinks communism is the way to go.

[TerriC]

Well hells bells that must mean everyone loves him. With that kind of accepted logic I could have gotten my degree in 3 days.

It wasnt just one person, the entire black caucus visits him and praises him as though he were the messiah. (oh wait, no, that would be Obama.) Well, close. Or is the entire black caucus of the democratic party not representative. Those are your (democrats) representatives, therefore they must represent your views right? Democrats elected them right?

You've got at least Watson, Lloyd, Jones, that we have seen recently.

[pennysworth56]

While Castro was indeed a brute, he was badly mishandled by Eisenhower and more personally by Nixon. It is entirely possible that he could have been co-opted or at least bought off, if our people had taken him seriously.

Actually from the book I am reading now about Castro. It was the Department of State.

penny

[rjhambone]

You're right there. He sucessfully thumbed his nose at the most powerful country in the world for decades.

Think he had a little help with that.

[rjhambone]

Castro is not a good guy, Raul Castro is especially not a good guy, but Cuba is not a national threat to America in any way shape or form. The best way to get these guys out of power is to get rid of the embargo and trade with them. I mean, as soon as the people in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union started trading with the West, the Sovs didn't last five more years.

That's right. As soon as Venezuela opened up, Chavez was gone...oh wait.

[agent_86]

This thread really touched a nerve...

[rhet 2]

Castro is not a good guy, Raul Castro is especially not a good guy, but Cuba is not a national threat to America in any way shape or form. The best way to get these guys out of power is to get rid of the embargo and trade with them. I mean, as soon as the people in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union started trading with the West, the Sovs didn't last five more years.

While opening the doors to free exchange of IDEAS was a good thing -- do not overlook the strategy that Thatcher (more than Reagan) used: to bankrupt the Soviet power structure, while bombarding them with years of smuggled in anti-Soviet literature -- including Radio Free Europe -- to keep the pre-soviet cultural ideals alive, block the soviet propaganda lies, and give the anti-Soviet underground the hope needed to survive until the soviet power pigs finally lost control to that same underground.

Cuba was once one of the most prosperous nations in the region. The Power Pigs now live in palaces -- just like Barak Obama and Barney Frank get to enjoy -- while the people they rule with an iron fist flee starvation and brutality.

People do not flee a happy and prosperous nation, like they have fled China, like they fled the USSR, like they flee Cuba and the Middle East and the catastrophes in Angola.

Even the ChiComs have had to abandon socialism just to stop the economic destruction -- and the bleed off of talent and skill and human ingenuity -- the same bleed off that England saw after she tried to nationalize the British economy, the same bleed off that has cost the US employers, the same bleed off that cost Canada until their own last elections reversed the power of her own socialists.

The Castro Pigs survive only because the US cowarded out and left them alone, doing nothing about the human rights nightmare far worse than what Clinton tried to arrest and execute Milosovic for doing.

And any Cuban who can get out has gotten out -- a massive loss of talent, of human creative energy, of individual talent and life force that has done more damage to Cuba than any of the official and legal brutalities.

Just like any German worth an ounce defied the walls and the minefields laid to stop him from fleeing Soviet controlled socialist hell in East Germany.

When a government has to FORCE people to stay home, you've got a failed government. And the ideology that built that government, installed that government, is one hell of a failed culture.