How Many Know The Republicans Have An HC Plan Too?

[mgifford]

As many of us know, the Democrats have put together a HC plan which will break our country and further the power grabbing of the Democrats to a degree unheard of before.
Actually Rep. Price (R) Ga has introduced the Republicans version, which has none of the things that the power grabbing Democrats are seeking. Of course, pelosi is refusing to allow 3400 to come up for any consideration. Below is a list of the 10 key positive issues in H.R. 3400 for you to read. I compell all to compare the 3200 with the 3400.


The Empowering Patients First Act (H.R. 3400) would allow:

Individuals to choose their health insurance (no mandates)
Deductible of health insurance premiums regardless of who pays
Employers to provide flexible health insurance options to employees
Health insurance coverage for low-income families (300 percent of the federal poverty level)
Health insurance for high-risk individuals (pre-existing conditions)
Sale of health insurance across state lines
Expansion of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)
Individual membership association health insurance plan
Association Health Insurance Plans
Medical liability limitations (Tort reform)

[Sinister Rouge]

I always thought that the GOP plan was 'don't get sick.'

[spinach]

I have a really good HC plan:

get government out of all social programs.
it produces a large surplus in the budget, and it's constitutional

I don't care what the GOP comes up with as an alternate-
I don't support any government involvement at all in health care, period.

[old guy]

I have a really good HC plan:

get government out of all social programs.
it produces a large surplus in the budget, and it's constitutional

I don't care what the GOP comes up with as an alternate-
I don't support any government involvement at all in health care, period.


do you have health insurance?

[cj234]

I always thought that the GOP plan was 'don't get sick.'

Goes to show your thinking is all wrong!!!

[mgifford]

I have a really good HC plan:

get government out of all social programs.
it produces a large surplus in the budget, and it's constitutional

I don't care what the GOP comes up with as an alternate-
I don't support any government involvement at all in health care, period.

Spinach, I'm all with you, brother. However, the liberals are going to have theirs one way or another, so which is better?

[mgifford]

Bump

[johnrocks]

I like most of it, it actually expands free markets in some areas but then it swings left with things the Federal govt. has no business in like Tort ,imho.

[Long Island Bob]

Yup the plan is to cut a check (voucher) to those who do not have health insurance and cannot afford it.

No gov't run insurance companies, no employer mandates, no requiring your employer to provide one-size-fits-all insurance. . . .

[boysmom4]

I have a really good HC plan:

get government out of all social programs.
it produces a large surplus in the budget, and it's constitutional

I don't care what the GOP comes up with as an alternate-
I don't support any government involvement at all in health care, period.

Do you include Veterans health care? It is after all the true sense of socialized medicine.

[Bitter_Gun_Clinger_in_SD]

I always thought that the GOP plan was 'don't get sick.'
Nope. That wasn't their plan. What they have been saying is that if the Lib plan passes you won't WANT to get sick.

[kaydahl]

I think FairTax is best. No only for healthcare, but for alot of other woes as well. But here is a discussion of how it would impact healthcare: http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/TheImpactOfTheFairTaxOnHealthCare.pdf

Re the use of vouchers.....Fair Tax is similar in principle. Voucher systems have also been advocated by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel and the AMA. When diverse groups gravitate toward a concept, perhaps there is merit to it.

[Bitter_Gun_Clinger_in_SD]

Do you include Veterans health care? It is after all the true sense of socialized medicine.
I always thought you actually had to do something to get Veterans health care....something like serve in the Military. That means that these people have EARNED their right to care. Socialized medicine would be what the Libs are wanting to do.....steal money (via taxes) from wage earners to cover people because they just happen to exist in this country.

"From each according to his ability.....to each according to their needs." Karl Marx.

[kaydahl]

Coburn's S1099 was introduced in May. Here is a side-by-side overview to HR 3200: http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=93d28868-978b-4e77-b203-5b27e4076eb4

As many of us know, the Democrats have put together a HC plan which will break our country and further the power grabbing of the Democrats to a degree unheard of before.
Actually Rep. Price (R) Ga has introduced the Republicans version, which has none of the things that the power grabbing Democrats are seeking. Of course, pelosi is refusing to allow 3400 to come up for any consideration. Below is a list of the 10 key positive issues in H.R. 3400 for you to read. I compell all to compare the 3200 with the 3400.


The Empowering Patients First Act (H.R. 3400) would allow:

Individuals to choose their health insurance (no mandates)
Deductible of health insurance premiums regardless of who pays
Employers to provide flexible health insurance options to employees
Health insurance coverage for low-income families (300 percent of the federal poverty level)
Health insurance for high-risk individuals (pre-existing conditions)
Sale of health insurance across state lines
Expansion of Health Savings Accounts (HSAs)
Individual membership association health insurance plan
Association Health Insurance Plans
Medical liability limitations (Tort reform)

[boysmom4]

I always thought you actually had to do something to get Veterans health care....something like serve in the Military. That means that these people have EARNED their right to care. Socialized medicine would be what the Libs are wanting to do.....steal money (via taxes) from wage earners to cover people because they just happen to exist in this country.

"From each according to his ability.....to each according to their needs." Karl Marx.


I'm not saying they don't deserve it but it is socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is government run hospitals and doctors and nurses that are on the government payroll. This is exactly what we have under the VA.

[animalnut]

One of the things Obama says that no media outlets call him out on, is his often repeated phrase "The Republicans complain, but they offer no solutions."

That is a LIE. They offered more fiscally responsible solutions for the stimulus package, for the budget, and now for healthcare.

Obama thinks if he says it, it is true. Sadly, many of his sheep believe him too. Have you EVER seen a liberal complain of hypocrisy in this administration? You see nothing but attacks on conservatives, and nothing but blaming Bush. Bush did start it. He lit the match. Obama is pouring gasoline on the fire.

[ddye]

Where was the GOP "plan" when they had power to actually DO SOMETHING about it?

Doug

[boysmom4]

Where was the GOP "plan" when they had power to actually DO SOMETHING about it?

Doug

Invade Iraq.

[dad49er]

Offering an alternative, as opposed to out right opposition (just say no) is essential an admission of defeat.

[ddye]

I'd think the GOP health care reform plan would be the same as all of their other "plans", tax cuts for rich people...

Doug

[kaydahl]

I'd think the GOP health care reform plan would be the same as all of their other "plans", tax cuts for rich people...

Doug

And you'd rather hold onto that as "fact" rather than read the proposals?

[mgifford]

I always thought you actually had to do something to get Veterans health care....something like serve in the Military. That means that these people have EARNED their right to care. Socialized medicine would be what the Libs are wanting to do.....steal money (via taxes) from wage earners to cover people because they just happen to exist in this country.

"From each according to his ability.....to each according to their needs." Karl Marx.

Correct!

[mgifford]

Coburn's S1099 was introduced in May. Here is a side-by-side overview to HR 3200: http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=93d28868-978b-4e77-b203-5b27e4076eb4

That "Americans Will Have More Money In Their Pockets" is the kicker. Democrats DON"T like that idea and will go thru hell to make sure it DOESN"T happen. More money in our pockets means "less power in the hands of politicians", Democrats especially.

[mgifford]

one of the things obama says that no media outlets call him out on, is his often repeated phrase "the republicans complain, but they offer no solutions."

that is a lie. They offered more fiscally responsible solutions for the stimulus package, for the budget, and now for healthcare.

Obama thinks if he says it, it is true. Sadly, many of his sheep believe him too. Have you ever seen a liberal complain of hypocrisy in this administration? You see nothing but attacks on conservatives, and nothing but blaming bush. Bush did start it. He lit the match. Obama is pouring gasoline on the fire.

+1

[Long Island Bob]

I'd think the GOP health care reform plan would be the same as all of their other "plans", tax cuts for rich people...

Doug
it sounds like you spent a lot of time studying the two proposals before using an open mind to determine which you like better (NOT)

here let me help you out

after I "googled" "healthcare republican alternative" (without quotes) i got the following

MAY 20, 2009.The GOP's Health-Care Alternative



. . . By GRACE-MARIE TURNER and JOSEPH R. ANTOS
Republican congressional leaders are finally offering a clear alternative to the health-reform plans being developed by the White House and Democrats in Congress. The goals and the rhetoric of both sides are remarkably similar: cover the uninsured, allow people to keep the coverage they have, provide more choices of affordable health insurance, and rein in health costs. But their policy prescriptions are remarkably different.

Democrats are uniting around proposals to vastly expand federal regulation of health insurance, require everyone to have coverage, and compel employers to provide federally prescribed insurance or pay a new tax. A new Medicare-like insurance plan is still being debated, but even if it doesn't make the cut, Congress could regulate its way to a government-dominated market.

Four Republicans in Congress -- Sens. Tom Coburn (Oklahoma) and Richard Burr (North Carolina) and Reps. Paul Ryan (Wisconsin) and Devin Nunes (California) -- will today introduce a bill that moves away from federal centralization. Aptly called the Patients' Choice Act, it provides a path to universal coverage by redirecting current subsidies for health insurance to individuals. It also provides a new safety net that guarantees access to insurance for those with pre-existing conditions.

The nexus of their plan is redirecting the $300 billion annual tax subsidy for employment-based health insurance to individuals in the form of refundable, advanceable tax credits. Families would get $5,700 a year and individuals $2,300 to buy insurance and invest in Health Savings Accounts.

Low-income Americans would get a supplemental debit card of up to $5,000 to help them purchase insurance and pay out-of-pocket costs. They would have an incentive to spend wisely since up to one-fourth of any unspent money in the accounts could be rolled over to the next year. The combination of the refundable tax credit and debit card gives lower-income Americans a way out of the Medicaid ghetto so they can have the dignity of private insurance. . . .

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124277551107536875.html



MAY 21, 2009.Republicans Offer Health-Care Plan

WASHINGTON -- Republican lawmakers stepped up their opposition to Democrats' plans for overhauling the nation's health-care system, introducing legislation on Wednesday that would give Americans tax credits to pay for health insurance.

The plan, backed by some Republicans in the House and Senate, offers a glimpse into how the GOP is mobilizing against Democrats' effort to create a public insurance plan and to require companies to provide or otherwise pay for health-insurance coverage for workers. Republican lawmakers say such measures would bureaucratize the nation's health system and stifle job creation. . . . .

Called the Patients' Choice Act, it would eliminate the tax break that employers receive for providing health-insurance benefits to their workers. Instead, it would give an annual tax credit of $2,300 to each individual and $5,700 to each family that they could use to offset the cost of their health insurance. Low-income families would get extra money to buy into private insurance plans. . . .

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124286548605041517.html

[Greyclouds]

it sounds like you spent a lot of time studying the two proposals before using an open mind to determine which you like better (NOT)

here let me help you out

after I "googled" "healthcare republican alternative" (without quotes) i got the following


It only helps you if your annual insurance premiums total around $2300 or $5400 for families. For seniors? It costs FAR FAR FAR more!

[Greyghost]

And you'd rather hold onto that as "fact" rather than read the proposals?

Even if the liberals read the proposal they will still ridicule it, as they are doing, because it is not the Great O's health care plan. To be honest I think it could be the exact same bill and they would still ridicule the right just because it is not their beloved party's proposal.

[johnrocks]

It only helps you if your annual insurance premiums total around $2300 or $5400 for families. For seniors? It costs FAR FAR FAR more!

I sell Medicare Supplements and a 90 year old man that smokes 2 packs of camel non filters a day can get Plan "F" which is the most common one that Seniors get and it's $240.07 per month in this area.

[Long Island Bob]

It only helps you if your annual insurance premiums total around $2300 or $5400 for families. For seniors? It costs FAR FAR FAR more!

You mean the folks on medicare?
yeah in additon to medicare they'll get around $2300 per individual or $5400 for families.

Of course I'm sure SOME younger families pay $5500 and will get only $5400.

[kaydahl]

Even if the liberals read the proposal they will still ridicule it, as they are doing, because it is not the Great O's health care plan. To be honest I think it could be the exact same bill and they would still ridicule the right just because it is not their beloved party's proposal.

Yep. The irony is that S1099 meets more of Obama's stated objectives than HR3200 does.

But the fact that the public is not aware of S1099 and how it better meets Obama's goals is, IMO, a sign of continued weakness in Republican leadership. When Palin left office and established her public podium, for example, she did not choose to put this out. Instead she chose to criticize the House plan.

[don_p]

It is the only one that does anything about costs.

[Greyclouds]

I sell Medicare Supplements and a 90 year old man that smokes 2 packs of camel non filters a day can get Plan "F" which is the most common one that Seniors get and it's $240.07 per month in this area.

I stand corrected then.

[johnrocks]

It is the only one that does anything about costs.

On it's surface, it seems like a pretty good plan. I prefer the Feds. get completly out of the health insurance business as well as the States mandating but realistically, this may be about as good as it gets,imho anyway.

[Long Island Bob]

It is the only one that does anything about costs.

the Obama plan does something about costs. Two things in fact.

It shifts them around and makes them bigger.

[mgifford]

Even if the liberals read the proposal they will still ridicule it, as they are doing, because it is not the Great O's health care plan. To be honest I think it could be the exact same bill and they would still ridicule the right just because it is not their beloved party's proposal.

YUP! Isn't it a shame that liberals love their party to that degree? Isn't it also a shame that liberals don't act like they love America that much?

[johnrocks]

i stand corrected then.

np.;)

[VCaddy05]

I like most of it, it actually expands free markets in some areas but then it swings left with things the Federal govt. has no business in like Tort ,imho.

I personally dont have an issue with tort as long as its not putting a price on injury such as an eye is worth $100,000. I dont think thats much more different then saying who is worth what in the "deathpannel discussion", But in the punitive damages part i dont really have an issue with.

[kaydahl]

"loser pays" has support among the healthcare providers. Defensive medicine costs and outlays for ridiculous suits are big problems. IMO there is not really a need to legislate re punitive damage amounts.