Girl Kidnapped 18 Years Ago Kept as Sex Slave in Couple's Backyard

[Gabby]

Police: California Girl Kidnapped 18 Years Ago Kept as Sex Slave in Couple's Backyard

An 11-year-old California girl kidnapped in 1991 while waiting for a school bus has been found alive, and a convicted sex offender is accused of raping and fathering two children with her while he and his wife held her captive in their backyard.

Despite the shocking revelations, the discovery of Jaycee Lee Dugard brought sudden relief to her family 18 years after their young girl disappeared.

Dugard had been kept with the two girls, ages 11 and 15, in a series of tents and sheds hidden behind the Antioch, Calif., home of Phillip and Nancy Garrido, the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday at a news conference. The couple has been arrested on several charges stemming from the discovery.

Dugard and her two daughters are "in good health, but living in a backyard for the past 18 years does take its toll," Undersheriff Fred Kollar said.

Now 29, Dugard was reunited Thursday with her mother, who was overjoyed to learn the ordeal was over and the daughter she feared dead was actually alive and well.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543640,00.html


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Here's a link to a more up-dated artile on the story....

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090828/D9ABSTLO0.html
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Just don't know what to say. These sorts of stories keep coming out. How on earth can a person like this??? She had two children by this pig. the oldest is 15, so she was about 14 when she had her first child. He and his wife forced them to live in an outdoor facility for all these years.

IMHO, the man and his wife should just be shot. All of their property should go to Jaycee and her children.

How on earth did the neighbors not notice the hidden compound in the yard? How did no one notice that three people lived there?

[Samm]

How on earth did the neighbors not notice the hidden compound in the yard? How did no one notice that three people lived there?

"At the Garrido's house, barriers were constructed to "inhibit outside viewing and prevent the victims from contact with the outside world," Kollar said.

"Garrido was on lifetime parole and his arrest raises questions about how closely parolees are monitored. But Kollar said a parole officer who had visited Garrido's house previously had not noticed anything amiss — the compound was well concealed by shrubs, garbage cans and a tarp.

"The neighborhood is described as a residential area, with the Garridos home raising no suspicion from the outside world as to the horrific compound concealed in the backyard.

And according to a neighbor:

Neighbor Helen Boyer, 78, described the Garridos as nice and friendly and said they cared for Phillip Garrido's elderly mother.

"If I needed something, they would be the first I would call on," Boyer said.

These two were insidiously meticulous in their crimes.

And given that they raped the kidnapped girl when she was 11, it is almost certain that they have done the same to the two children.

Shooting is far too good for them...

[Samm]

How on earth did the neighbors not notice the hidden compound in the yard? How did no one notice that three people lived there?
Concealment:

"At the Garrido's house, barriers were constructed to "inhibit outside viewing and prevent the victims from contact with the outside world," Kollar said.

"Garrido was on lifetime parole and his arrest raises questions about how closely parolees are monitored. But Kollar said a parole officer who had visited Garrido's house previously had not noticed anything amiss — the compound was well concealed by shrubs, garbage cans and a tarp.

"The neighborhood is described as a residential area, with the Garridos home raising no suspicion from the outside world as to the horrific compound concealed in the backyard.

And according to a neighbor:

Neighbor Helen Boyer, 78, described the Garridos as nice and friendly and said they cared for Phillip Garrido's elderly mother.

"If I needed something, they would be the first I would call on," Boyer said.

These two were insidiously meticulous in their crimes.

And given that they raped the kidnapped girl when she was 11, it is almost certain that they have done the same to the two children.

Shooting is far too good for them...

[spinach]

I'd say sentence both to life in prison, no parole, in maximum security.
and then as a civil punishment, grant the entire estate to the woman and her daughters.


I don't want a death penalty- that's too tidy and too quick.
they need to be caged like animals for at least 18 years themselves.
And hopefull in a dull gray box, with no time ever outside of it, except to shower.

[BrokenEntity]

The public does not deserve justice. The only folks that do are the young woman and her family. I wish I could say what is justice for those two monsters. What can right those horrors? There is no justice in a case like this. The most we can hope for is an end to it for the 29 year old woman and starting a new chapter of her life as soon as possible. Let others, more qualified, deal with the two of them. I'll not waste my dignity on the likes of them.

[Old_Mil]

I'd say sentence both to life in prison, no parole, in maximum security.
and then as a civil punishment, grant the entire estate to the woman and her daughters.


I don't want a death penalty- that's too tidy and too quick.
they need to be caged like animals for at least 18 years themselves.
And hopefull in a dull gray box, with no time ever outside of it, except to shower.

Except they've been to prison once, and keeping them in prison again costs us the same $50,000 a year that liberals don't want to spend to keep granny alive.

[Old_Mil]

After thinking about it for a while, I think we have an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone here. Liberals keep complaining about how we have a relatively high level of incarceration compared to other industrialized nations (hint, its because of people like this).

Perhaps we can work out some sort of arrangement with Al Qaida where we turn over folks like this to be beheaded in the name of allah...

[birddog1]

I hope there is indeed honor among criminals and these two sicko get the violent death they so reachly deserve. I can't of little else that is worse than what they have done to this poor girl, her family, and her two kids.

[JenyEliza]

You know what's sad? Aside from absolutely destroying Jaycee's life, and the lives of the children she bore by that pig, these people also destroyed Jaycee's parents lives. Especially her Step-father.

For 18 years he has lived under a cloud of suspicion. Didn't matter that he took repeated polygraphs--which he passed each time with flying colors. The FBI didn't believe him....and they successfully convinced his wife (Jaycee's Mom) not to believe him either.

The pressure of being under suspicion of killing Jaycee destroyed this man's life--and his marriage and family.

The people who kidnapped Jaycee should absolutely be Death-Penalty eligible. I would be absolutely happy to throw the switch on both of them....except I think Jaycee's Mom and Step-father should have the honor if they wish.

May these cretins burn in hell for all the pain, agony, misery and destruction they have caused so many innocent people.

[Gabby]

Except they've been to prison once, and keeping them in prison again costs us the same $50,000 a year that liberals don't want to spend to keep granny alive.

If the couple were kept in the conditions they kept their victims it would not cost $50,000 a year. All that would be needed was a compound with high walls, a tent and a port-a-potty. Throw some food over the wall and be done with them.

[Gray]

You know what's sad? Aside from absolutely destroying Jaycee's life, and the lives of the children she bore by that pig, these people also destroyed Jaycee's parents lives. Especially her Step-father.

For 18 years he has lived under a cloud of suspicion. Didn't matter that he took repeated polygraphs--which he passed each time with flying colors. The FBI didn't believe him....and they successfully convinced his wife (Jaycee's Mom) not to believe him either.

The pressure of being under suspicion of killing Jaycee destroyed this man's life--and his marriage and family.

The people who kidnapped Jaycee should absolutely be Death-Penalty eligible. I would be absolutely happy to throw the switch on both of them....except I think Jaycee's Mom and Step-father should have the honor if they wish.

May these cretins burn in hell for all the pain, agony, misery and destruction they have caused so many innocent people.

The law almost always goes after the family. Creating more victims.

[Gabby]

Here is yet another case of a man who was convicted of kidnapping and child molestation/rape. Instead of life in prison he got life parole. Apparently even his parole officer made visits to his home and did not see the compound with his captives.

[Gabby]

You know what's sad? Aside from absolutely destroying Jaycee's life, and the lives of the children she bore by that pig, these people also destroyed Jaycee's parents lives. Especially her Step-father.

For 18 years he has lived under a cloud of suspicion. Didn't matter that he took repeated polygraphs--which he passed each time with flying colors. The FBI didn't believe him....and they successfully convinced his wife (Jaycee's Mom) not to believe him either.

The pressure of being under suspicion of killing Jaycee destroyed this man's life--and his marriage and family.

The people who kidnapped Jaycee should absolutely be Death-Penalty eligible. I would be absolutely happy to throw the switch on both of them....except I think Jaycee's Mom and Step-father should have the honor if they wish.

May these cretins burn in hell for all the pain, agony, misery and destruction they have caused so many innocent people.

Very good point... when a crime like this happens, there are many victims.. not just the kidnapped child and her now children. These sorts of crimes destroy many lives.

I hope that her parents can find some peace now. And I hope her step-father now gets the vindication he deserves.

[Old_Mil]

If the couple were kept in the conditions they kept their victims it would not cost $50,000 a year. All that would be needed was a compound with high walls, a tent and a port-a-potty. Throw some food over the wall and be done with them.

Of course, you know that won't happen. Instead, they'll be kept apart from the general prison populace so nothing happens to them. They'll be eligible for free medical care, free legal representation, free cable TV, even free higher education. They'll be coddled in a way that even welfare recepients on the outside are not because the liberals that infest the legal system will be far more concerned with trying to reform them than they are about the destroyed lives of the kidnap victim, the two children she had, and her parents.

[Gabby]

Of course, you know that won't happen. Instead, they'll be kept apart from the general prison populace so nothing happens to them. They'll be eligible for free medical care, free legal representation, free cable TV, even free higher education. They'll be coddled in a way that even welfare recepients on the outside are not because the liberals that infest the legal system will be far more concerned with trying to reform them than they are about the destroyed lives of the kidnap victim, the two children she had, and her parents.
I was wondering why this couple suddenly decided to come clean. Maybe they were looking for a gov provide retirement plan.

It's ironic that they will be elegible for education, while the denied the girl they kidnapped and her children any education at all.

[Gabby]

Well, it looks like neighbors did know that someone was living in the tents in the back yard....

from the article....


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But neighbors said there were clues even before a parole agent on Wednesday noticed Dugard, now 29, who accompanied Garrido, his wife and the children to a parole office.

Neighbor Diane Doty said she could see the tents and often heard children playing in the backyard, the corner of which abuts her own backyard. She said she even suspected the children lived in the tents, but her husband said she should leave the family alone.

"I asked my husband, 'Why is he living in tents?'" she said. "And he said, 'Maybe that is how they like to live.'"

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090828/D9ABSTLO0.html

[JimGP20]

I remember this story very well. Jaycee was abducted in the summer of 1991 in South Lake Tahoe. In December of that year, my first wife and I were married in Lake Tahoe, and I remember all the flyers and posters everywhere with Jaycee's photo. I followed this case in the newspapers for weeks, and I have to admit, the way her stepfather was being portrayed in the media, I thought he had something to do with it. Now, I feel so bad for him for what he has had to endure for the last 18 years. I have no words to describe the Garrido's... no punishment that they will face will be even romotely close to what they put Jaycee through. I also feel so bad for her children... they are going to learn things about their lives that they had no idea of. The Garrido's ruined the lives of at least 5 people in this crime.

[Flake]

How on earth did the neighbors not notice the hidden compound in the yard? How did no one notice that three people lived there?

I've found the compound on Google Earth. It's located at 1554 Walnut Ave, Antioch, CA. You can see several Tents and Sheds. Lots of Trees and bushes.

What's really creepy, is if you go to the street view, starting at about 1544 Walnut Ave and move to the South. You can see the van that is sitting in the drive way at this address pull out and follow the photographer around the corner of Brown Ln and Walnut Ave. The final picture with the van is at the intersection of Viera Ave and Brown Ln. It's a fairly close up picture where you can see a driver. I'm not saying it's this guy, I just find it really weird.

This whole story is just sad. I feel horrible for this woman and her kids. :frown:

[Hadassah]

Well, it looks like neighbors did know that someone was living in the tents in the back yard....

from the article....


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But neighbors said there were clues even before a parole agent on Wednesday noticed Dugard, now 29, who accompanied Garrido, his wife and the children to a parole office.

Neighbor Diane Doty said she could see the tents and often heard children playing in the backyard, the corner of which abuts her own backyard. She said she even suspected the children lived in the tents, but her husband said she should leave the family alone.

"I asked my husband, 'Why is he living in tents?'" she said. "And he said, 'Maybe that is how they like to live.'"

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090828/D9ABSTLO0.html




Sometimes the best way to hide something is to keep it in plain sight.

[Theranna]

Call me a Liberal up and down but I've got a few ideas of torture for this couple.

[ArmyMAJretired]

These animals deserved to be put down. Sick freaks.

None of the children have ever been to school, they've never been to a doctor," Kollar said. "They were kept in complete isolation in this compound."

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Front page news of the Sacramento Bee this morning. I was reading the front article story as I made coffee and milled around doing morning chores. I couldn't believe what I was reading...I was stunned...then I became angry.

This Gerrido guy has a long rap sheet ...even had a parole officer check in at his home...not so much as even an eyeball raised that anything was amiss by said parole officer. This abductor had charges of rape and abduction prior to taking Jaycee Dugard. It also sounds like he found Jesus and was on the path of another well known abductor.. ...David Brian Mitchell in the Elizabeth Smart case. Frightening stuff to be sure.

I can't imagine what would be justice for this now young woman. The years of counseling, catching up in her education, finding her place in society and helping her own children to acclimate to a world they've never known. I can't even imagine what this must be like for them.

These two grotesque excuses for human beings...what punishment would serve the damage they've created? That wife of his...can't even imagine going along with something like this...making this poor child live outside...in the cold..in the rain...in the heat....using camping type equipment to wash and use the toilet...I mean dear flying frogs! She was still just a baby..and this woman had no compassion? Not an ounce of compassion or remorse for what this child must have been going through? Monster...that what she is...pure evil. Let her fry..gas her...shoot her...hang her..whatever..just put it down like the rabid dog it is. Don't waste a dime of my tax dollars feeding, clothing, housing or caring for her. She's not worth my spit much less my money!

and...this man...this grotesque excuse of a human being...hang him in central square...hang a sign on him that clearly states what he is...and gut him for garters! Make it as public as possible...make people puke at the sight of it...let his body rot and deteriorate in the public square....then let the crows feed well. :evil::evil: He doesn't even deserve a burial...not one dime does he deserve in the care, feeding and housing of such a monster. Let it serve as fair warning that we, the public, have no compassion for those who have no compassion for the least of our society...our youth. Take our kids and we are going to do worse then put you in jail.......:evil:

God bless this young woman...and her children. May they find peace some day..although I really don't see how.

~Mysty

[sgtmac_46]

I'd say sentence both to life in prison, no parole, in maximum security.
and then as a civil punishment, grant the entire estate to the woman and her daughters.


I don't want a death penalty- that's too tidy and too quick.
they need to be caged like animals for at least 18 years themselves.
And hopefull in a dull gray box, with no time ever outside of it, except to shower.



They should be gutted like trout........and should flop around dying for about 6 or 7 hours of agony.......finality in these things is far more important than the knowledge that your tormentor still lives in a cage somewhere, with the remote possibility of escaping and revisiting those horrors.......the grave is the appropriate punishment for these two ghouls.

[Vic Daring]

Except they've been to prison once, and keeping them in prison again costs us the same $50,000 a year that liberals don't want to spend to keep granny alive.

I'm not making this up: Before I opened this thread, I bet myself a beer that by post #6, someone would use this story to take a cheap political shot at liberals.

Looks like I owe myself a Rolling Rock.

[JimGP20]

I've found the compound on Google Earth. It's located at 1554 Walnut Ave, Antioch, CA. You can see several Tents and Sheds. Lots of Trees and bushes.

What's really creepy, is if you go to the street view, starting at about 1544 Walnut Ave and move to the South. You can see the van that is sitting in the drive way at this address pull out and follow the photographer around the corner of Brown Ln and Walnut Ave. The final picture with the van is at the intersection of Viera Ave and Brown Ln. It's a fairly close up picture where you can see a driver. I'm not saying it's this guy, I just find it really weird.

This whole story is just sad. I feel horrible for this woman and her kids. :frown:

That thing on google maps is indeed creepy. It makes you wonder if he saw this odd camera truck in his neighborhood and thought he was busted. That whole area looks run down.

[MrShotShot]

I'm way to nosey and distrusting of my neighbors to let something like this happen right next door to me.

[traditional_woman]

Sadly this woman will most likely never be normal, and always a little ''off''. Hopefully her kids won't share the same outcome.

[JenyEliza]

Here's a link to a picture that labels the buildings, tents and outbuildings that were used to hold Jaycee and her daughters captive:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2009/0828/20090828_101410_yard.jpg

[JimGP20]

Sadly this woman will most likely never be normal, and always a little ''off''. Hopefully her kids won't share the same outcome.

In a way, I think it will be worse for the children. They have grown up with this man as their father. One report mentioned that the older of the 2 girls was very clingy with her dad, so now she has to deal with the reality of the situation. I feel so much anger for that man and his wife, and so much sorrow for Jaycee and her 2 daughters.

[sgtmac_46]

I'm not making this up: Before I opened this thread, I bet myself a beer that by post #6, someone would use this story to take a cheap political shot at liberals.

Looks like I owe myself a Rolling Rock.

'Waaaaahhhhhhh!' :boohoo:

The irony of your post is that you used your one comment on such a horrific story to get righteously indignant about something having nothing to do with the story.......pot, meet kettle. ;)

[sgtmac_46]

Call me a Liberal up and down but I've got a few ideas of torture for this couple.

Make them stare at a video of Nancy Pelosi pole dancing for 14 hours a day?

I'm pretty sure the Geneva Convention has abolished that as cruel and inhumane.

[Spiked101]

Make them stare at a video of Nancy Pelosi pole dancing for 14 hours a day?

I'm pretty sure the Geneva Convention has abolished that as cruel and inhumane.

:eh: You are sick! LOL.

[JenyEliza]

Pictures (up close) of the tent-city compound Jaycee and her girls were forced to live in.

Warning: Not for those with weak stomachs or bad tempers/hearts--could give rise to a heart attack.

http://extras.mercurynews.com/slideshows/news/2009/08/jaycee_dugard_0828/

[psyko kat]

I'd say sentence both to life in prison, no parole, in maximum security.
and then as a civil punishment, grant the entire estate to the woman and her daughters.


I don't want a death penalty- that's too tidy and too quick.
they need to be caged like animals for at least 18 years themselves.
And hopefull in a dull gray box, with no time ever outside of it, except to shower.

NO!!!!!. not even to shower----just hose them down once a month......!!!

[Apatriot]

Sadly this woman will most likely never be normal, and always a little ''off''. Hopefully her kids won't share the same outcome.

I doubt it. Most kids' personalities are formed in their first 5 yrs of life. Both children spent those first 5 yrs with a monster for a father. She has some chance of normalcy. They have almost none.

[drylok]

I still think this is what happened to Natilie. Or something similar

[Spiked101]

I doubt it. Most kids' personalities are formed in their first 5 yrs of life. Both children spent those first 5 yrs with a monster for a father. She has some chance of normalcy. They have almost none.

I agree. She has a chance at restoration. Her children have very little. We need to pray for God's grace and mercy and that he work a miracle in their lives.

[JimGP20]

The story justs keeps getting worse:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32583149/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts



Cops: Kidnap suspect eyed for murder links

ANTIOCH, Calif. - The twisted kidnapping case of a woman reportedly held captive for 18 years in a secluded backyard compound took another disturbing turn Friday as authorities searched the home of her alleged captor for evidence in the murders of several prostitutes.



Officers executed a search warrant at Phillip Garrido's Antioch home for clues in the unsolved slayings, Contra Costa sheriff's Capt. Daniel Terry said.



Several of the murdered women's bodies were dumped near an industrial park where Garrido, a sex offender, worked during the 1990s.



This is now making me wonder about the abductions of Amber Swartz Garcia and Mikhala Garrett, both of whom were abducted within 50 miles of Garrido's house.

[DLaw911]

I'd say sentence both to life in prison, no parole, in maximum security. And then as a civil punishment, grant the entire estate to the woman and her daughters.While they are not eligible for the death penalty on this charge, more than likely their sentence will be in the hundreds of years TO LIFE. So after they serve 200 years they only need to serve 7 more to be considered for parole.

Naturally if they are tied to murders the rules change a bit. Multiple murders can result in the death penalty.

This only goes to reinforce what I already knew --- this world is full of nutjobs.

[ISYairio]

Sometimes the best way to hide something is to keep it in plain sight.

From what I heard and read (didn't hear or read much) about the bushes, tarps, and stuff (about it not being odd, it being hidden, etc etc etc) I was thinking it was a lot different compared to what I just saw on the news...instead it was glaring considering his status... just wow.

[Creefer]

Seriously, just take these two out back and double tap them in the back of the head. That's about as much compassion as I could possibly have for these sub-humans.

[chip]

While they are not eligible for the death penalty on this charge, more than likely their sentence will be in the hundreds of years TO LIFE. So after they serve 200 years they only need to serve 7 more to be considered for parole.

Naturally if they are tied to murders the rules change a bit. Multiple murders can result in the death penalty.

This only goes to reinforce what I already knew --- this world is full of nutjobs.

He was already supposed to be in prison for 50 years for kidnapping but was let out in 10, then violated parole twice. Doesnt give one much confidence in our system.

[DLaw911]

He was already supposed to be in prison for 50 years for kidnapping but was let out in 10, then violated parole twice. Doesnt give one much confidence in our system.That almost makes kidnapping worth it. That's one heck of an early release.

[RedStatePaPa]

Animals. What sick individuals.

[Gabby]

From what I heard and read (didn't hear or read much) about the bushes, tarps, and stuff (about it not being odd, it being hidden, etc etc etc) I was thinking it was a lot different compared to what I just saw on the news...instead it was glaring considering his status... just wow.

According to the police, about 3 years ago they got a call from someone saying that there were people/children living in tents in the back yard. The police went to investigate. They talked to the kidnapper in the his front yard. The police never looked around the property and took the guys word for it that everything was ok. Apparently the local police department is singing the mia culpas today and expressing all kinds of guilt for the lousy job they did on this one.

[Gabby]

What really gets me, in looking at the compound, I think I could have gotten out of there fairly easily. It shows how brain washed a person can be when they are taken as a captive at a young age. I wonder if he kept her tied up or chained for a long time, until her will was broken.

So many of these cases keep comming up.... this world has far too many evil people in it.

[Samm]

What really gets me, in looking at the compound, I think I could have gotten out of there fairly easily. It shows how brain washed a person can be when they are taken as a captive at a young age. I wonder if he kept her tied up or chained for a long time, until her will was broken.

So many of these cases keep comming up.... this world has far too many evil people in it.

You tell an 11 year old that if they try to escape you will kill her parents and they will become very compliant - this is not the first case like this (remember that boy a couple of years back?) And once she had kids, they become a blackmail threat as well. The two children of course knew nothing else so would have been very unlikely to attempt to flee.

[Gabby]

You tell an 11 year old that if they try to escape you will kill her parents and they will become very compliant - this is not the first case like this (remember that boy a couple of years back?) And once she had kids, they become a blackmail threat as well. The two children of course knew nothing else so would have been very unlikely to attempt to flee.

Oh, I know you are right. It just amazes me how much control a person can get over someone in cases like this. She was only 11 when she was kidnapped. There is no telling what the did to this poor girl to get her to the point that she did not dare to try to escape.

I find it interesting though that once she was in public at the police station she made a point of making sure the police knew who she is. So somewhere in her, it seems she was waiting for that one moment when she felt safe enough to say something.

From the articles I've read, apparently she bonded with her captors. That is normal. She apparently has some guilt over this. That is probably normal too.

I just pray that she and her children can have a normal life.

Do you remember that woman in Austria, Elizabeth Fritzl? The one whose father kept her in a secret basement for 25 years? Apparently she has fallen in love with one of her body guards. He's 15 years her junior. He moved in with Elizabeth and her children. Apparently she and her kids are doing pretty well. The human spirit can survive dispite the most horrific circumstances.

[sgtmac_46]

Seriously, just take these two out back and double tap them in the back of the head. That's about as much compassion as I could possibly have for these sub-humans.

Yep, make them dig their own grave, two apiece to the back of the head (that's MERCY) and cover them up........nothing to see here, move along.

[sgtmac_46]

What really gets me, in looking at the compound, I think I could have gotten out of there fairly easily. It shows how brain washed a person can be when they are taken as a captive at a young age. I wonder if he kept her tied up or chained for a long time, until her will was broken.

So many of these cases keep comming up.... this world has far too many evil people in it.

I caught a movie on Showtime a couple months ago called 'Gardens of the Night' (actually, I didn't watch it, my wife did......I couldn't watch it, it was actually too much for me, the plot actually made me so angry....).........the premise was about this little girl who got abducted and was raised under very similar circumstances. A realistic movie that certainly isn't for the feint of heart.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

They should be gutted like trout........and should flop around dying for about 6 or 7 hours of agony.......finality in these things is far more important than the knowledge that your tormentor still lives in a cage somewhere, with the remote possibility of escaping and revisiting those horrors.......the grave is the appropriate punishment for these two ghouls.

Ghoules...good word Sgt. Exactly what this couple fully embodies.

Have you seen a picture of this Garriard guy? Looks loonie toons to the core. :rolleyes: That wife of his...looks like she's living on Pluto somewhere. Two loon's who became/are ghoules...and they (judicial system) aren't even going to consider a death penalty; (that is If I'm reading D-Laws post correctly.) Makes me more angry then I can contain.

*Begin rant: Flopping around like Trout out of water almost seems to quick. I want these two to suffer...as they made this young girl suffer. I want them to endure pure terror as their young victim surely did. I want them to know and feel no hope of being saved or shown mercy...just as they surely gave the impression to their victim. I want them to suffer..and I want the public to have full view of it. No cushy cot...no three meals...no medical care...no visits...no library privileges...no t.v....none of it. Just get to the part where justice will be done and pick your poison...and on with it..that's what they deserve. Why even have a trial? We know they did it...we know they kept this poor child hostage for +18 years...what's to have a trail over? How many 100's of years they are spend in prison? Are you kidding me? :evil: If they had hundreds of years to offer in life...then maybe I'd think differently...but they don't! They'll die of old age like any other human being...and to me...that's unacceptable!

Maybe that makes me just as monstrous? Honestly... I don't care what it makes me. I don't need to be high minded or intellectual to understand why these two monsters did what they did. I don't care to hear the unending excuses that will surely come in months of trials ahead as to why they are the way they are. I don't care what psychiatrist will site as the main issue that put these two around the bend. None of it means spit!

This now young woman needs to feel safe in the new world she's been released into. Having those two behind bars is far from the safety she needs. In order for their to be a full movement forward in her healing..these two need to be taken off our planet...period. Preferably in some old fashioned, painfully slow way.

*Rant off

Story makes me so damn mad....

~Mysty

[Gabby]

I caught a movie on Showtime a couple months ago called 'Gardens of the Night' (actually, I didn't watch it, my wife did......I couldn't watch it, it was actually too much for me, the plot actually made me so angry....).........the premise was about this little girl who got abducted and was raised under very similar circumstances. A realistic movie that certainly isn't for the feint of heart.

I just did a google on the movie and read about it. It does sound like a pretty raw movie. Unfortunately that is the horror that some children live with. It takes an evil beast to do that to children.

I hontestly believe that anyone who takes away a person's childhood in this manner deserved the death sentence. While they did not kill the child, the distruction to the child is in many ways worse than death.. it's a living hell for the child.

[Gabby]

Ghoules...good word Sgt. Exactly what this couple fully embodies.

Have you seen a picture of this Garriard guy? Looks loonie toons to the core. :rolleyes: That wife of his...looks like she's living on Pluto somewhere. Two loon's who became/are ghoules...and they (judicial system) aren't even going to consider a death penalty; (that is If I'm reading D-Laws post correctly.) Makes me more angry then I can contain.

*Begin rant: Flopping around like Trout out of water almost seems to quick. I want these two to suffer...as they made this young girl suffer. I want them to endure pure terror as their young victim surely did. I want them to know and feel no hope of being saved or shown mercy...just as they surely gave the impression to their victim. I want them to suffer..and I want the public to have full view of it. No cushy cot...no three meals...no medical care...no visits...no library privileges...no t.v....none of it. Just get to the part where justice will be done and pick your poison...and on with it..that's what they deserve. Why even have a trial? We know they did it...we know they kept this poor child hostage for +18 years...what's to have a trail over? How many 100's of years they are spend in prison? Are you kidding me? :evil: If they had hundreds of years to offer in life...then maybe I'd think differently...but they don't! They'll die of old age like any other human being...and to me...that's unacceptable!

Maybe that makes me just as monstrous? Honestly... I don't care what it makes me. I don't need to be high minded or intellectual to understand why these two monsters did what they did. I don't care to hear the unending excuses that will surely come in months of trials ahead as to why they are the way they are. I don't care what psychiatrist will site as the main issue that put these two around the bend. None of it means spit!

This now young woman needs to feel safe in the new world she's been released into. Having those two behind bars is far from the safety she needs. In order for their to be a full movement forward in her healing..these two need to be taken off our planet...period. Preferably in some old fashioned, painfully slow way.

*Rant off

Story makes me so damn mad....

~Mysty

The couple who kinapped the girl in Salt Lake City (I do not recall her name) out of her own bedroom. They were just declared incompetant to stand trial. So they will not go to trial and most likely spend the rest of their life in a mental hospital. I wonder if they are ever declared mentally healthy if they will be released? I like the idea of the verdict guilty but mentally insane. That way than can never be released.

[Gabby]

Oh gee.. I just read an article about Phillip Garrido and the crimes he was convicted of when he got the 50 year sentence. Why on earth anyone paroled this evil loone needs to be investigated. There is no way he should have been let out on parole.


I'm not going to cut/paste any of the article here because the details are harsh. Just know that if you choose to read it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544281,00.html

I hope he was the SOB who killed the women whose bodies were found near his place of work. It would solve those murders and give the state a reason to fry him.

Here in Albuquerque, the police found a mass grave in a field (we call the mesas here). The remains of 11 young women were found in the grave. They were apparently killed over a 10 year period. They have no leads in the case. I wonder if Garrido ever traveled through New Mexico. I realize it's a small chance, but the thought has been going through my mind since I heard about the bodies in this case.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/elizabeth_smart.htm

Site above is on the Elizabeth Smart case; past present and future.

David Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee...what a pair. :rolleyes:

The competency hearing was focused on whether or not medications to 'make' the pair competent should be forced. In Barzee's case..it was approved...in Mitchell's case it was not. Hearings will commence again soon to determine competency with forced meds for both of them. It's gonna slog on for awhile.

Current case...this couple...these monsters...are gonna try the same legal crap. That's what really gets me hot under the collar. How incompetent can one be to hide this type of activity for 18+ years? How incompetent can either be to have kept this in their own backyard with no fear of reprisals or being caught? Obviously not to damn incompetent in my book.

Whole thing makes my stomach just turn....no justice is harsh enough that can be served imo on these two ghoules.

~Mysty

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Oh gee.. I just read an article about Phillip Garrido and the crimes he was convicted of when he got the 50 year sentence. Why on earth anyone paroled this evil loone needs to be investigated. There is no way he should have been let out on parole.


I'm not going to cut/paste any of the article here because the details are harsh. Just know that if you choose to read it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544281,00.html

I hope he was the SOB who killed the women whose bodies were found near his place of work. It would solve those murders and give the state a reason to fry him.

Here in Albuquerque, the police found a mass grave in a field (we call the mesas here). The remains of 11 young women were found in the grave. They were apparently killed over a 10 year period. They have no leads in the case. I wonder if Garrido ever traveled through New Mexico. I realize it's a small chance, but the thought has been going through my mind since I heard about the bodies in this case.

Read the article....what struck me? He was deemed competent. Hmmmm...that won't play well in this most recent case will it? That wife of his....she'll try no doubt to say somehow it wasn't her fault...he made her do it...something sick and slimy as excuses go I'm sure. :evil:

Haven't they also found women this guy may have killed as well lately? Thought I heard that tid bit...but wasn't sure if they have made full lines of connections as yet to this Garrido guy.

~Mysty

[Gabby]

http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/elizabeth_smart.htm

Site above is on the Elizabeth Smart case; past present and future.

David Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee...what a pair. :rolleyes:

The competency hearing was focused on whether or not medications to 'make' the pair competent should be forced. In Barzee's case..it was approved...in Mitchell's case it was not. Hearings will commence again soon to determine competency with forced meds for both of them. It's gonna slog on for awhile.

Current case...this couple...these monsters...are gonna try the same legal crap. That's what really gets me hot under the collar. How incompetent can one be to hide this type of activity for 18+ years? How incompetent can either be to have kept this in their own backyard with no fear of reprisals or being caught? Obviously not to damn incompetent in my book.

Whole thing makes my stomach just turn....no justice is harsh enough that can be served imo on these two ghoules.

~Mysty


I agree.

Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee are obviously whacko... but they were able to orchestrate keeping Elizabeth Smart captive and controlling her for a long time. That proves that they knew it was wrong and were organized enough to pull off hiding her.

Phillip Garrido and his wife obviously knew that what they were doing was wrong. That's why the kept Jaycee and her daughters hidden. They were cleaver and organized enough to hide the girls in plain sight (or at least semi-plane sight).

I've read some quotes from people who say taht Phillip has been going off his rocker with insane stuff about his supposed finding of religion. But that still does not show true insanity.

Reading the things Phililp has to say about this... how we will all find that it was a truely heart warming story is just crazy. He's obviously been working on a way to justify his evil actions to himself all these years. But it does not mean he's insane.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I agree.

Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee are obviously whacko... but they were able to orchestrate keeping Elizabeth Smart captive and controlling her for a long time. That proves that they knew it was wrong and were organized enough to pull off hiding her.

Phillip Garrido and his wife obviously knew that what they were doing was wrong. That's why the kept Jaycee and her daughters hidden. They were cleaver and organized enough to hide the girls in plain sight (or at least semi-plane sight).

I've read some quotes from people who say taht Phillip has been going off his rocker with insane stuff about his supposed finding of religion. But that still does not show true insanity.

Reading the things Phililp has to say about this... how we will all find that it was a truely heart warming story is just crazy. He's obviously been working on a way to justify his evil actions to himself all these years. But it does not mean he's insane.

Agreed. I too have read the statement this ghoul stated...the whole...'heart warming tale' comment. I wanted to go through the t.v and strangle his picture! I mean what in the hell is heartwarming about kidnapping, keeping hostage, and raping a little girl? Guys simply to far gone in convincing himself that what he did was ok to fill his own sick needs...which tells me he knows what he did is wrong. Hell, he served time in jail for his little sick sex fantasy's. He knew..he damn well knew..as did his wife. No excuse can be given to justify what they did.

~Mysty

[sgtmac_46]

The police officer told ABC television that there was not enough evidence to call in social workers, so instead she called Mr Garrido's parole officer - only to be told by him that the convicted rapist did not have any daughters.

Mr Garrido was arrested after a meeting with his parole officer, which Jaycee Dugard also attended - to reveal that she was the girl who had been missing, presumed dead, for 18 years since being kidnapped outside her home, aged 11.

Ms Campbell expressed her concerns to Officer Jacobs, who ran a criminal check which revealed Garrido was on parole for rape. For that reason the police officer decided to sit in on the meeting with Mr Garrido when he returned the following day.

A day later, after the meeting with his parole officer, he was arrested - and Jaycee Lee Dugard and the children her abductor had fathered were finally freed.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/jaycee-lee-dugard/6110589/Jaycee-Lee-Dugard-and-Phillip-Garridos-daughters-like-brainwashed-zombies.html



***?! How does a PAROLE keep a TENT CITY OF KIDNAPPED VICTIMS IN HIS BACKYARD WITH NOBODY NOTICING?! :evil:

Garrido was paroled from a Nevada state prison on June 8, 1999. He served time in federal custody in Nevada for sexual assault. http://www.kcra.com/news/20591281/detail.html

So he kidnapped this girl in 1991.......THEN spent several years in prison, so his wife hid this girl out, and NOBODY DID ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION?!

[FidelisAdMortem]

From my understanding with how I perform my duties as a police officer, I was never trained that I can enter someones private property simply b/c they are a registered sex offender.

That has been reserved for probation/parole officers.

So I believe the media and some posters here are incorrect in that matter.

[sgtmac_46]

From my understanding with how I perform my duties as a police officer, I was never trained that I can enter someones private property simply b/c they are a registered sex offender.

That has been reserved for probation/parole officers.

So I believe the media and some posters here are incorrect in that matter.

The Parole officer certainly has that power........not one single home visit to a convicted kidnapper rapists house?! :eh:

As a Parolee, you don't have the right to refuse admission to your parole officer.....doing so is a parole violation.

I'm wondering why they even bother HAVING parole officers if that's the kind of leash they keep their VIOLENT PREDATOR offenders on.


John P. Servent: 'I had him as a parole for 9 years.......seemed like a nice guy to me.....I never suspected! :doh: :wall:


I've known some good parole officers over the years (less good ones these days it seems).......back in the day, the parole officers would show up at their 'clients' house without calling at all hours to see what was going on.

[FidelisAdMortem]

However, I'm speaking in regards to the police officer who was called there in one instance.

The media seems to want to pin this entire situation on his shoulders.

Its ridiculous.

So many falsehoods being put out there about legally what we can do and not do.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

From my understanding with how I perform my duties as a police officer, I was never trained that I can enter someones private property simply b/c they are a registered sex offender.

That has been reserved for probation/parole officers.

So I believe the media and some posters here are incorrect in that matter.

This is a Parolee though...not just a registered sex offender. We're talking this guy did time for a violent rape...so not your average registered 'peeing in the bushes' type sex offender.

A police officer can and will inspect anything he or she deems suspicious...any time, anywhere, period. Complaint comes in from a neighbor...and the backyard isn't even looked at? Wow....Gotta love my state huh? Inept as all hell....gads..makes me wanna puke!

~Mysty

[chip]

That almost makes kidnapping worth it. That's one heck of an early release.

No kidding.

BTW he also only served 7 months for the previous rape conviction.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

However, I'm speaking in regards to the police officer who was called there in one instance.

The media seems to want to pin this entire situation on his shoulders.

Its ridiculous.

So many falsehoods being put out there about legally what we can do and not do.

It shouldn't be shouldered by one man/officer. That isn't fair...that I can agree with. However, there's a huge gaping hole in this whole program. This parole officer has more culpability then some officer who may or may not have been checking on a single complaint. Both could have stopped this nightmare long before it came to this though. Doing their jobs to their fullest capacity could have saved this little girl from the agony she endured.

With that single complaint from the neighbor...backyard sited as the area to check..and NO ONE checked...****es me the hell off! I mean what in the hell is wrong with this picture folks?

I'm gonna blow a gasket...it's beyond disgusting...beyond horrific..beyond inept...
~Mysty

[FidelisAdMortem]

This is a Parolee though...not just a registered sex offender. We're talking this guy did time for a violent rape...so not your average registered 'peeing in the bushes' type sex offender.

A police officer can and will inspect anything he or she deems suspicious...any time, anywhere, period. Complaint comes in from a neighbor...and the backyard isn't even looked at? Wow....Gotta love my state huh? Inept as all hell....gads..makes me wanna puke!

~Mysty

I am a police officer so let me tell you what we can and cannot inspect. We cannot enter a private residence of someone without their permission, unless we are chasing a fleeing suspect, emergency or we have a witness of a crime willing to give their name/location. If the witness who called remains anonymous we cannot legally even stop question frisk the individual whos description matches. This has already been ruled by the USSC. Now if I show up and I deem suspicion or probable cause to enter, I have to get a warrant, I cannot just walk into someones backyard, unless I can articulate why I could not wait for a warrant, such as an emergency, ie screams for help.

The fact the individual is a registered sex offender/parolee does not give me the right to enter in a manner that allows the parolees, parole officer.

[angelicmadrigal]

I'm wondering why they even bother HAVING parole officers if that's the kind of leash they keep their VIOLENT PREDATOR offenders on.
.

::chuckles:: Hell my dad's parole officer caught him driving numerous times when he was under suspension. And his girlfreind's useless PO called me one time wanting me to go look for my dad's girlfriend because she couldn't leave the office.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I am a police officer so let me tell you what we can and cannot inspect. We cannot enter a private residence of someone without their permission, unless we are chasing a fleeing suspect, emergency or we have a witness of a crime willing to give their name/location. If the witness who called remains anonymous we cannot legally even stop question frisk the individual whos description matches. This has already been ruled by the USSC. Now if I show up and I deem suspicion or probable cause to enter, I have to get a warrant, I cannot just walk into someones backyard, unless I can articulate why I could not wait for a warrant, such as an emergency, ie screams for help.

The fact the individual is a registered sex offender/parolee does not give me the right to enter in a manner that allows the parolees, parole officer.

I'm well aware your a police officer. Your not an Officer within the state of California though are you. No. Your not working within our Parole system which is liaison-ed with the local Police force. You did know about that right? California/Sex Offender/registry laws.

So although I understand what your saying...and your correct in it's loosest sense...you have to realize the populace understand just how much wiggle room you all have when dealing with this type of case. And I do mean wiggle room. :shhh:

Heads will roll. Whose head and how far is the only question left. Someone let the ball slip on this one...dropped it and it's gonna leave one hell of a big thud mark on the halls of justice. Maybe...just maybe...some changes will be made to open up the wiggle room just a bit more. Take Nevada for instance...Parole there ...you might as well be in prison again. Seems to work fairly well for them too. But then again, their very well funded.

~Mysty

[FidelisAdMortem]

You are advocating that I break the law when I perform my duties b/c it may lead to getting someone evil off the streets.

[angelicmadrigal]

You are advocating that I break the law when I perform my duties b/c it may lead of getting someone evil of the streets.

I think she was saying where she lives the laws allow police to do that. If the laws where you live don't allow for it I don't think anyone is saying you should.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I think she was saying where she lives the laws allow police to do that. If the laws where you live don't allow for it I don't think anyone is saying you should.

Ding ding ding...We've got a winner!

The law allows parole officer/police officer/sheriff/CHP to fully investigate any parolee for any complaint or any suspicion of ANYTHING...no warrant required, regardless in their home, office, car, on the street..where ever. Just suspicion. Gee..kinda like the CHP use in order to fully search/toss a car...suspicion only is needed. :shhh:

~Mysty

[Gabby]

***?! How does a PAROLE keep a TENT CITY OF KIDNAPPED VICTIMS IN HIS BACKYARD WITH NOBODY NOTICING?! :evil:



So he kidnapped this girl in 1991.......THEN spent several years in prison, so his wife hid this girl out, and NOBODY DID ANY KIND OF INVESTIGATION?!

I think the article you posted has an error in it. He was released from prison in 1988, not 1999. He kidnapped Jaycee 3 years after his release.

"Garrido served 10 years in the federal prison in Leavenworth, Kansas, before being granted parole. He then served seven months for the rape conviction in a Nevada prison before being granted an early release in August 1988. Less than three years later, he allegedly kidnapped Jaycee."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544281,00.html

[Samm]

Oh, I know you are right. It just amazes me how much control a person can get over someone in cases like this. She was only 11 when she was kidnapped. There is no telling what the did to this poor girl to get her to the point that she did not dare to try to escape.

I find it interesting though that once she was in public at the police station she made a point of making sure the police knew who she is. So somewhere in her, it seems she was waiting for that one moment when she felt safe enough to say something.

From the articles I've read, apparently she bonded with her captors. That is normal. She apparently has some guilt over this. That is probably normal too.

I just pray that she and her children can have a normal life.

Do you remember that woman in Austria, Elizabeth Fritzl? The one whose father kept her in a secret basement for 25 years? Apparently she has fallen in love with one of her body guards. He's 15 years her junior. He moved in with Elizabeth and her children. Apparently she and her kids are doing pretty well. The human spirit can survive dispite the most horrific circumstances.

I think "doing pretty well" is the best that any of these three victims can ever be expected to achieve. They will never be entirely "normal."

[Gabby]

From my understanding with how I perform my duties as a police officer, I was never trained that I can enter someones private property simply b/c they are a registered sex offender.

That has been reserved for probation/parole officers.

So I believe the media and some posters here are incorrect in that matter.


I think that point is that a neighbor reported to the police that the Garridos had children living in tents in their back yard. He is a convicted sex offender on parole. Part of his parole is that he is not allowed to be around children.

Surely there is an ordinace in the area making it illegal for people to live in tents on the property. Anyone doing that where I live would get in trouble with the city.

Surey child protective services would consider haveing children live in tents 24/7 for 18 years is a violation of the law. There was a house. The children should be living in the house.

It would seem to me that there were several things going on that would warrent police entering the property and checking things out.

[angelicmadrigal]

You know I'd be a little less horrified if the guy had managed this on his own, but the fact his wife HELPED him is just extra disgusting.

One person commiting these kind of crimes is bad enough, two people in collusion is worse.

[Gabby]

I think "doing pretty well" is the best that any of these three victims can ever be expected to achieve. They will never be entirely "normal."
Yep, their abusers removed all semplance of 'normalcy' from their lives. I only hope they find some peace in this world.

And I hope their abusers suffer every day.

[Samm]

I am a police officer so let me tell you what we can and cannot inspect. We cannot enter a private residence of someone without their permission, unless we are chasing a fleeing suspect, emergency or we have a witness of a crime willing to give their name/location. If the witness who called remains anonymous we cannot legally even stop question frisk the individual whos description matches. This has already been ruled by the USSC. Now if I show up and I deem suspicion or probable cause to enter, I have to get a warrant, I cannot just walk into someones backyard, unless I can articulate why I could not wait for a warrant, such as an emergency, ie screams for help.

The fact the individual is a registered sex offender/parolee does not give me the right to enter in a manner that allows the parolees, parole officer.

Furthermore, we do not know what dispatch told this particular officer. He was probably out in his patrol car and told "see the man" about a disturbance or suspicious activity. Unless he was specifically told that the man was a convicted felon/registered sex offender he would have no idea of the charge or even that he had a parole officer to contact for a follow up. We also do not know what the neighbor who called police in the first place told 911.

It's all water under the bridge anyway... it is no different than any other incident where authorities had their hands on a criminal and did not know it. Look how close they came to letting Timothy McVeigh get away. To go back and blame the officer is ridiculous.

[Gabby]

You know I'd be a little less horrified if the guy had managed this on his own, but the fact his wife HELPED him is just extra disgusting.
It's really not unusual for a evil sob like Garrido to find a women who backs him up. It makes the crime a lot easier to pull off.

Garrido said that he can only get sexual satisfaction through force and violence. Can you image what his wife endured? I make no excuses for her. She's an adult. She should have left and turned the SOB in before it got to the point of him kidnapping the girl. In her sick little mind she probably helped to get the girl so that her husband would stop abusing her and turn his focus on someone else. It's her sick, twisted way to survive. The wife of course is as guilty as the husband. Two sick people who found each other and than victimized others as a team.

[Samm]

You know I'd be a little less horrified if the guy had managed this on his own, but the fact his wife HELPED him is just extra disgusting.

One person commiting these kind of crimes is bad enough, two people in collusion is worse.

It is entirely possible that the wife is just as much a victim of his coercion as the kids. What woman would sanction this kind of activity just because her husband wanted kids that she was incapable of conceiving herself if she was not completely intimidated? I expect there is a high likelihood that we will read one day soon that she will be cut some slack to testify against him.

[Samm]

It's really not unusual for a evil sob like Garrido to find a women who backs him up. It makes the crime a lot easier to pull off.

Garrido said that he can only get sexual satisfaction through force and violence. Can you image what his wife endured? I make no excuses for her. She's an adult. She should have left and turned the SOB in before it got to the point of him kidnapping the girl. In her sick little mind she probably helped to get the girl so that her husband would stop abusing her and turn his focus on someone else. It's her sick, twisted way to survive. The wife of course is as guilty as the husband. Two sick people who found each other and than victimized others as a team.

Same response as to Angelicmadrigal. We all know women who should leave "their man" who don't.

[Gabby]

Same response as to Angelicmadrigal. We all know women who should leave "their man" who don't.

I agree with you that his wife was probably manipulated with fear, threats and abuse also. I'm very much aware of the cycle of abuse and what it does to a person.

However, my personal belief, is that if the wife was allowed to go out on her own... than she had the opportunity to act. She had the opportunity to tell the police, social workers, etc.

As an adult, she has a responsibility to come out of her fog and do something.

I realize that it would have been very hard for her. But was an adult when all of this started.

[angelicmadrigal]

It is entirely possible that the wife is just as much a victim of his coercion as the kids. What woman would sanction this kind of activity just because her husband wanted kids that she was incapable of conceiving herself if she was not completely intimidated? I expect there is a high likelihood that we will read one day soon that she will be cut some slack to testify against him.

pfft, sorry I don't buy that. She's an accomplis, just as guilty.

[angelicmadrigal]

It's really not unusual for a evil sob like Garrido to find a women who backs him up. It makes the crime a lot easier to pull off.

Garrido said that he can only get sexual satisfaction through force and violence. Can you image what his wife endured? I make no excuses for her. She's an adult. She should have left and turned the SOB in before it got to the point of him kidnapping the girl. In her sick little mind she probably helped to get the girl so that her husband would stop abusing her and turn his focus on someone else. It's her sick, twisted way to survive. The wife of course is as guilty as the husband. Two sick people who found each other and than victimized others as a team.

Please, women are capable of sexual abuse just the same as a male. I"d bet she was in on the WHOLE thing, for her OWN satisfaction as well as his.

[Gabby]

Please, women are capable of sexual abuse just the same as a male. I"d bet she was in on the WHOLE thing, for her OWN satisfaction as well as his.

Yes women are capable of sexual abuse too. I'm know of three cases among people I know.. in one case the mother sexually abused her children (2 girls and a boy) when the father was at work. In another case the mother and father sexually abused their daughter until she left home at 18.. it went on for years. In a third case a pastor and his wife sexually abused their daughter and their daughter's friend for years.

Either could be the case. Either this women is involved because she too enjoys being an abuser, or she is a beaten down person who stayed and participated out of some stupid belief that her very welbeing was threatened. Either way, I hold her responsible for her participation.

One thing that the abused have to face up to is that they are still responsible for the crimes they commit.

[Samm]

pfft, sorry I don't buy that. She's an accomplis, just as guilty.

It is just speculation either way... neither of us are privy to the facts. All I am saying is that it is a very real possibility.

[Rubie]

The patrol officer investigating this should also go to prison along with them. He did not do his job properly! No one does their jobs right anymore.

[Samm]

I agree with you that his wife was probably manipulated with fear, threats and abuse also. I'm very much aware of the cycle of abuse and what it does to a person.

However, my personal belief, is that if the wife was allowed to go out on her own... than she had the opportunity to act. She had the opportunity to tell the police, social workers, etc.

As an adult, she has a responsibility to come out of her fog and do something.

I realize that it would have been very hard for her. But was an adult when all of this started.

I agree we are all responsible for our own actions... even the 11 year-old girl, once kidnapped might have been able to escape (or throw a message over the fence into the neighbors yard) and turn him (them) in, but for reasons we are all too familiar with... she did not. The wife could well have been in the same position psychologically. Does that absolve her of guilt for her actions (or lack of action)? An emphatic NO. But it can explain it.

[Samm]

The patrol officer investigating this should also go to prison along with them. He did not do his job properly! No one does their jobs right anymore.

Yeah... right... :rolleyes:

[DLaw911]

I am a police officer so let me tell you what we can and cannot inspect. We cannot enter a private residence of someone without their permission, unless we are chasing a fleeing suspect, emergency or we have a witness of a crime willing to give their name/location. If the witness who called remains anonymous we cannot legally even stop question frisk the individual whos description matches. This has already been ruled by the USSC. Now if I show up and I deem suspicion or probable cause to enter, I have to get a warrant, I cannot just walk into someones backyard, unless I can articulate why I could not wait for a warrant, such as an emergency, ie screams for help.

The fact the individual is a registered sex offender/parolee does not give me the right to enter in a manner that allows the parolees, parole officer.I can only address CA law as it now stands. It is typical for a person being sentenced to PROBATION, as a condition thereof, to agree to submitting to search and seizure of their person AND property by any law enforcement officer acting with OR WITHOUT a warrant. Persons in CA who agree to release on parole must also agree to waive their search and seizure protection rights (http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Parole/Parole_Requirements/index.html).

Persons on parole do not have the same constitutional rights to privacy and generally, as a condition of parole, have waived their search and seizure protection rights

[sgtmac_46]

I think the article you posted has an error in it. He was released from prison in 1988, not 1999. He kidnapped Jaycee 3 years after his release.

"Garrido served 10 years in the federal prison in Leavenworth, Kansas, before being granted parole. He then served seven months for the rape conviction in a Nevada prison before being granted an early release in August 1988. Less than three years later, he allegedly kidnapped Jaycee."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,544281,00.html

You may be correct there.......at any rate, it's absurd to think he was able to get away with this when he was supposed to be under supervision!

[sgtmac_46]

I think that point is that a neighbor reported to the police that the Garridos had children living in tents in their back yard. He is a convicted sex offender on parole. Part of his parole is that he is not allowed to be around children.

Surely there is an ordinace in the area making it illegal for people to live in tents on the property. Anyone doing that where I live would get in trouble with the city.

Surey child protective services would consider haveing children live in tents 24/7 for 18 years is a violation of the law. There was a house. The children should be living in the house.

It would seem to me that there were several things going on that would warrent police entering the property and checking things out.

I can say for my part while the issue is mostly with the Department of Probation and Parole.........the fact that the only contact the police had after getting that call was to knock on the door and talk to the guy is a bit of a fumble on their part.

Yes, Fidelis is right......we can't just charge in.......but there are many ways to skin a cat if my radar goes off......that having been said, that was a single contact with police, versus years of supposed parole supervision.

[sgtmac_46]

Furthermore, we do not know what dispatch told this particular officer. He was probably out in his patrol car and told "see the man" about a disturbance or suspicious activity. Unless he was specifically told that the man was a convicted felon/registered sex offender he would have no idea of the charge or even that he had a parole officer to contact for a follow up. We also do not know what the neighbor who called police in the first place told 911.

It's all water under the bridge anyway... it is no different than any other incident where authorities had their hands on a criminal and did not know it. Look how close they came to letting Timothy McVeigh get away. To go back and blame the officer is ridiculous.

The good news is that in both THIS case and McVeigh's case, it was an alert police officer, being extra nosy and doing their job that broke the whole thing.

[sgtmac_46]

I can only address CA law as it now stands. It is typical for a person being sentenced to PROBATION, as a condition thereof, to agree to submitting to search and seizure of their person AND property by any law enforcement officer acting with OR WITHOUT a warrant. Persons in CA who agree to release on parole must also agree to waive their search and seizure protection rights (http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Parole/Parole_Requirements/index.html).

Persons on parole do not have the same constitutional rights to privacy and generally, as a condition of parole, have waived their search and seizure protection rights

The Department of Probation is going to take a HUGE beating when this is all said and done.......they're already drafting new rules and guidelines, i have LITTLE doubt!

[sgtmac_46]

Well, apparently he had a false fence in the backyard. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL

Of course I just saw the compound.......by Google Earth.....type in 1554 Walnut Avenue, Antioch, Ca. and count the tents and sheds.

[Gabby]

Well, apparently he had a false fence in the backyard. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/08/27/BA0Q19EMR7.DTL

Of course I just saw the compound.......by Google Earth.....type in 1554 Walnut Avenue, Antioch, Ca. and count the tents and sheds.


From the article ...

"Garrido's luck held in July of last year, when a multiagency task force in Contra Costa County searched his home as part of a sexual offender compliance check, officials said. He had a string of offenses dating back to 1971 and was a registered sex offender on parole in California."

So the house was searched last year but they did not bother to look through all of the property. Guess they better add something in the rules about the parole officers actually checking the entire property and not just the area the perp keeps prepared for the parole officer.

Maybe the parole officers should use google earth as a tool also.

[F9thRet]

If only there was a public area where we could see people like this who deserve nothing but hell.

oh wait. http://pysih.com/

I don't know if it's speed of communication, or a deep tear in the morals of Americans today, but it seems more and more like these kinds of crime are becoming more popular then ever.

Stephen

[DLaw911]

The Department of Probation is going to take a HUGE beating when this is all said and done.......they're already drafting new rules and guidelines, I have LITTLE doubt!The problem may be too many parolees and too little staff. There was a day when parole officers drove around visiting their parolees at work and at home. Now that's impossible as even parole officers mileage is no longer being reimbursed. So the parolee's come to the parole office to meet.

My uncle was a probation officer in Los Angeles County in the 1940's-1960's. He supervised regular people and celebrities. He had what he called a big caseload --- 20 people! He would have them come in once a week, and he would go visit them at their homes and their places of work. He was devoted to his job. Those days are GONE GONE GONE. Now a probation officer is lucky to have a caseload less than 1,000 and those handling drug cases usually are assigned up to 4,000 cases PER PROBATION OFFICER. Most never ever meet with their probationers except for an intake session which, many times, is a group meeting. They are given a reporrting "card" and told the report to a machine at any probation office once a week. It reads their palm print and the "meeting" is over in 2 minutes. And the probationers have to pay $5,000+ over the period of probation for the honor of meeting a voiceless kisok. If they are drug offenders they have to call in daily to see if the next day is for a random test and EVEN THEN they do not meet with their probation officer.

[Gabby]

The problem may be too many parolees and too little staff. There was a day when parole officers drove around visiting their parolees at work and at home. Now that's impossible as even parole officers mileage is no longer being reimbursed. So the parolee's come to the parole office to meet.

My uncle was a probation officer in Los Angeles County in the 1940's-1960's. He supervised regular people and celebrities. He had what he called a big caseload --- 20 people! He would have them come in once a week, and he would go visit them at their homes and their places of work. He was devoted to his job. Those days are GONE GONE GONE. Now a probation officer is lucky to have a caseload less than 1,000 and those handling drug cases usually are assigned up to 4,000 cases PER PROBATION OFFICER. Most never ever meet with their probationers except for an intake session which, many times, is a group meeting. They are given a reporrting "card" and told the report to a machine at any probation office once a week. It reads their palm print and the "meeting" is over in 2 minutes. And the probationers have to pay $5,000+ over the period of probation for the honor of meeting a voiceless kisok. If they are drug offenders they have to call in daily to see if the next day is for a random test and EVEN THEN they do not meet with their probation officer.


A sad statement on the state of or legal system. The crime rates in our country are far too high. We are getting to a point at which we as a country cannot afford the law enforcement for the mess we have.

In this case, last year the parole officers and police did a home inspection and apparently did not walk around all of the kidnapper's property. They apparently just looked through the house itself. So this is an instance where the parole was given some special attention but the parole officers did not do their job thoroughly.

[TenaciousTurquois]

oh, this is so sad. that poor child. She and her family are in my thoughts.

[sgtmac_46]

From the article ...

"Garrido's luck held in July of last year, when a multiagency task force in Contra Costa County searched his home as part of a sexual offender compliance check, officials said. He had a string of offenses dating back to 1971 and was a registered sex offender on parole in California."

So the house was searched last year but they did not bother to look through all of the property. Guess they better add something in the rules about the parole officers actually checking the entire property and not just the area the perp keeps prepared for the parole officer.

Maybe the parole officers should use google earth as a tool also. Google Earth is a heckuva tool!

The neighbors should have called in a meth lab or a grow operation in the backyard........this would have been resolved years ago.

[sgtmac_46]

The problem may be too many parolees and too little staff. There was a day when parole officers drove around visiting their parolees at work and at home. Now that's impossible as even parole officers mileage is no longer being reimbursed. So the parolee's come to the parole office to meet.

My uncle was a probation officer in Los Angeles County in the 1940's-1960's. He supervised regular people and celebrities. He had what he called a big caseload --- 20 people! He would have them come in once a week, and he would go visit them at their homes and their places of work. He was devoted to his job. Those days are GONE GONE GONE. Now a probation officer is lucky to have a caseload less than 1,000 and those handling drug cases usually are assigned up to 4,000 cases PER PROBATION OFFICER. Most never ever meet with their probationers except for an intake session which, many times, is a group meeting. They are given a reporrting "card" and told the report to a machine at any probation office once a week. It reads their palm print and the "meeting" is over in 2 minutes. And the probationers have to pay $5,000+ over the period of probation for the honor of meeting a voiceless kisok. If they are drug offenders they have to call in daily to see if the next day is for a random test and EVEN THEN they do not meet with their probation officer.

I have every reason to believe you are absolutely correct on the problem here......I see it.........and with the financial problems of the State of California, office staff has likely suffered cuts.....however, when dealing with violent sex offenders, as someone who was convicted of a sex related kidnapping certainly is, exceptional oversight needs to be applied.

[sgtmac_46]

A sad statement on the state of or legal system. The crime rates in our country are far too high. We are getting to a point at which we as a country cannot afford the law enforcement for the mess we have.

In this case, last year the parole officers and police did a home inspection and apparently did not walk around all of the kidnapper's property. They apparently just looked through the house itself. So this is an instance where the parole was given some special attention but the parole officers did not do their job thoroughly.

Yeah, unfortunately in this case, all the pieces were there over the years, but different people had them, and nobody was putting them together to see the big picture.

In Missouri, if we have contact with a parolee (and i'm sure it's the same everywhere) we get a hit on the computer telling us they are a parolee, and automatically sending a hit to their parole officer, telling the parole officer we had a contact with the parolee and why.

IF a parole officer got a hit saying 'Got a report of people living in tents in parolees backyard, went to respond, did not search backyard'........some red flags of curiosity should have went up in the parole officers mind.

[PelosiisaLOSER]

How can I say this NICELY????<BIG EVIL GRIN>
too bad KEITH OVERBITE wasn't the one KIDNAPPED!!!!!!<ROLLING ON THE FLOOR
LAUGHING> What would be the LOSS THERE??????
LOL

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Yeah, unfortunately in this case, all the pieces were there over the years, but different people had them, and nobody was putting them together to see the big picture.

In Missouri, if we have contact with a parolee (and i'm sure it's the same everywhere) we get a hit on the computer telling us they are a parolee, and automatically sending a hit to their parole officer, telling the parole officer we had a contact with the parolee and why.

IF a parole officer got a hit saying 'Got a report of people living in tents in parolees backyard, went to respond, did not search backyard'........some red flags of curiosity should have went up in the parole officers mind.

Local news channel last night...discussing more about this particular story. They've got the next door home and lot yellowed taped off....seems before the current three year tenet moved in next door...old Mr. Pervy Garrido "took care of" the place. Thus far, they are gong to continue to question him on several kidnapped/raped/ dead girls that they believe he hid in this back yard. It's gonna get big folks...huge...just wait and see. This guy is one sick little pup to be sure.

What I found truly interesting...his wife is only being held on 15 thousand bond...that's it...15. She's gonna roll state's evidence...she's gonna sing like a damn canary to save her own damn butt..and they are gonna take it and run with it to put him on deaths door. :think: This is gonna go way deeper then just poor Jaycee...this goes into at least 7 (at last count I heard anyway) missing raped/kidnapped dead girls as well.

Parole...uhhuh...It actually used to mean something in California...(operative word in that sentence is 'used too' be.) Now...with hardly any funding..we've got the laws to back up our officers...but not enough officers/P.O's to do the job right. Pays lousy...works worse...what's not to love right? :rolleyes:

But hey...look at the bright side...coastal cities will still receive their 5 million dollar budgets a year for natural food (ie fresh fish) for harbor seals. :evil:

Yeah...ok...we're screwed....

~Mysty

[Gabby]

Local news channel last night...discussing more about this particular story. They've got the next door home and lot yellowed taped off....seems before the current three year tenet moved in next door...old Mr. Pervy Garrido "took care of" the place. Thus far, they are gong to continue to question him on several kidnapped/raped/ dead girls that they believe he hid in this back yard. It's gonna get big folks...huge...just wait and see. This guy is one sick little pup to be sure.

What I found truly interesting...his wife is only being held on 15 thousand bond...that's it...15. She's gonna roll state's evidence...she's gonna sing like a damn canary to save her own damn butt..and they are gonna take it and run with it to put him on deaths door. :think: This is gonna go way deeper then just poor Jaycee...this goes into at least 7 (at last count I heard anyway) missing raped/kidnapped dead girls as well.

Parole...uhhuh...It actually used to mean something in California...(operative word in that sentence is 'used too' be.) Now...with hardly any funding..we've got the laws to back up our officers...but not enough officers/P.O's to do the job right. Pays lousy...works worse...what's not to love right? :rolleyes:

But hey...look at the bright side...coastal cities will still receive their 5 million dollar budgets a year for natural food (ie fresh fish) for harbor seals. :evil:

Yeah...ok...we're screwed....

~Mysty
I wonder how much of Garrido's other crimes Jaycee is aware of and if she was forced to participate in any of them. She might be a good source of info too.

From things I've been reading, the neighbors (many of them) were aware that he had children living in his backyard. And they did nothing. Just the fact that he had kids living in the back yard in tents should be enough to call Child Protective Services.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I wonder how much of Garrido's other crimes Jaycee is aware of and if she was forced to participate in any of them. She might be a good source of info too.

From things I've been reading, the neighbors (many of them) were aware that he had children living in his backyard. And they did nothing. Just the fact that he had kids living in the back yard in tents should be enough to call Child Protective Services.

One would think so...yet...he held Jaycee and her two children captive in that tent home in his backyard for 18 years. Makes ya wonder just how he covered for all those years with next store neighbors. The owner of the next door property had clear view of the backyard where Jaycee was held. He spoke last night about these wild parties...where he saw lots of men gathered..drinking beer..being generally rowdy...no shirts...bon fire's...yet nothing set his alarms off in his head that anything 'illegal' was going on. This seems to be the case with any neighbor the media has spoken too...all of them saying something wasn't right..but none of them saw anything going on really illegal..so they minded their own business. :eh:

One would think CPS would have been called with Garrido's back history..kids playing in his back yard. Yet..not one phone call was made. Who knows what those neighbors did and didn't know...they all seem to be doing the side step shuffle as fast as they can imo. :think:

The parole officer...that's were the force of the microscopic 'eye' should be focused. He searched the home only..but not the gads of buildings in his backyard? Come on...how lame can ya get?

This is gonna get really weird as the days go on. I foretell lots of finger pointing and excuses will soon fill the air waves on this case. CYA baby...everyone with a department badge is going to use it and use it well. :rolleyes: Heads need to roll...monies need to be funded for the (good) programs already in place to watch these sickos...and a new day needs to dawn in California in regards to parolee's.

~Mysty

[MikeJF]

didn't this guy kidnap and terrorize a woman years ago? I say once you kidnap someone, harm them or not, it's jail for life, no parole.

[Gabby]

didn't this guy kidnap and terrorize a woman years ago? I say once you kidnap someone, harm them or not, it's jail for life, no parole.

Yes, he got a 50 year sentence for that crime. But was released in 1988 after serving only 10 years of it. Three years later he kidnapped Jaycee.

No one seems to know why he was released in 1988.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

didn't this guy kidnap and terrorize a woman years ago? I say once you kidnap someone, harm them or not, it's jail for life, no parole.

Yeah...Reno it was. I think in the 80's? Not sure on that though. Anyway...He picked her up (against her will). Took her to a storage type shed...like the metal one's you see in movies...which held within it a 'sex parlor'...lights, implements...you get the idea. Anyway...got caught red handed..so to speak...girl got away with her life..Garrido gets jail. So yeah...kidnapping, rape, yadda yadda ya...he should have been in Nevada system for the rest of his life. Buuuttttt....he was let go early...and we don't know why. At least, I haven't heard why yet. How he ended up in California on Nevada's parole system is just beyond me. Two states made a huge freaking mistake..and it's cost a girl 18 years of her life.

Not enough can be done to these two that would even begin to make up for what damage they've done.

~Mysty

[smyrna]

I would recommend a steep slide that has razor blades on the sides and the last 10 feet of the slide is rough sand paper. The slide dumps into a pool of rubbing alcohol. Repeat the process every hour for 18 years.:hug:

[smyrna]

Yes, he got a 50 year sentence for that crime. But was released in 1988 after serving only 10 years of it. Three years later he kidnapped Jaycee.

No one seems to know why he was released in 1988.


The same slide process for the panel that paroled this animal.

[PelosiisaLOSER]

Heres a THOUGHT....
The head of the PAROLE BOARD.......
That FREAK COULDN'T have been a RELATIVE could IT?????

[Gabby]

Heres a THOUGHT....
The head of the PAROLE BOARD.......
That FREAK COULDN'T have been a RELATIVE could IT?????

If this is the case, I'm sure it will come out.

Some neighbor mentioned that he used to have big parties with losts of men, bonfires, etc. Maybe there were some parole officers in his group of 'friends'.

[jeepers]

I say just toss them over a fence into a 'compound' filled with rabid, angry, hungry Rottweillers.

I'm truly afraid as to what they're going to turn up next with these people. From the sound of it, it's going to get worse from here.

But one thing to know about Californian, before we get too far ahead of ourselves, it's basically the sexual predator capital of the country. It's got more registered sexual offenders than anywhere else. More projected serial killers. More of everything.

He may be responsible for some other outstanding cases, and maybe not. Regardless there are a whole host of other predators out there regardless of the answer to that question.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/sex-offender-map.pdf

[troy]

Why. When will our society learn that sexual predators and pedophiles cannot be cured...period. They have no value to society and do not deserve to live. One strike, you're out. No second chances and no treatment...just death.

I hate to say it, but this poor woman who was kidnapped 18 years ago and went through who knows what horror, would probably be better off dead. I can not imagine there is enough therapy to ever give her any peace in her life time.

If it was my daughter, I would kill that SOB if given even a small window of opportunity. Prison would be the safest place for him.

[JimGP20]

The story justs keeps getting worse:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32583149/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts



This is now making me wonder about the abductions of Amber Swartz Garcia and Mikhala Garrecht, both of whom were abducted within 50 miles of Garrido's house.



Looks like I'm not the only one who suspests Garrido in the other bay area abductions...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=8451296&page=1

[Joeybear23]

Somebody somewhere along the line made the decision that this guy was safe to inject back into society...

[Gabby]

Somebody somewhere along the line made the decision that this guy was safe to inject back into society...

Pretty scary isn't it? What he did to that woman in 1976 should have been enough to know that he is a dangerous/sick person who has no business out of prison.

[JenyEliza]

Looks like I'm not the only one who suspests Garrido in the other bay area abductions...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=8451296&page=1

I think when it all comes out, we are going to find he was responsible for a *lot* of kidnappings, murders and what not.

He claims that after Jaycee had the babies, that he became a cured man. That he never touched Starlet and Angel (Jaycee's daughters).

Garrido *truly* believed he was working on a cure for his sexual predation affliction. Obviously (to him) this meant kidnapping victims so that he could prove he was cured.

Two days before he was busted for Jaycee's kidnapping, he took Starlet and Angel with him to the local FBI office to deliver a long, rambling, nonsensical treatise on how to cure sexual predators such as himself. Ironical, no?

Sadly, there are going to be a lot of suffering families out of this investigation who are going to find out they don't get the happy ending Jaycee's family got. :((

I hope the FRY Garrido and his evil bitch of a wife. Garrido's wife kept Jaycee and those children captive while he was in jail for a brief spell for a parole violation--instead of releasing them to go home, she kept them under lock and key. She is JUST AS BAD AND EVIL as her husband and deserves teh SAME punishment as him.

If you've looked at the link in my sig line, I have ZERO USE for pedophilic kidnappers who rape and kill. NONE.

Kill 'em all. Don't let em sit in jail on a death senence from 1976 to present (as per the pedophile in Lori Ann Smith's case). Kill 'em and let got sort it all out.

GRRRRRRR. Don't get me started. :evil:

[Gabby]

There is an article on Fox this morning about the kidnapper and his trial in 1976 for that kidnappingn rape. Apparently he talked a lot about the sorts of things he was doing.

I noted that plural was used, as in 'rapes'. His attorny then said that a lot would come put about 'rapes' he had committed. But apparently it never came out.

This man is a predator, a hunter. It's hard to believe that the one women in 1976 and Jaycee were his only victims. Yet no one else is coming forward to claim that he raped them. That raises a red flag... are all his other victems dead?

The victim in 1976 was saved by an astute cop. Surely he did not intend to let her live. He let her see his face and she drove to his storage bin. It seems that he was pretty secure that she was not going to be able to go to the police about him... that points to an intent to murder her when he was done with her.

I read somewhere that the authorities in Nevada are looking into unsolved murder and missing persons cases of women there.

Garrido seesm to be a talker. I think he'll make a deal in exchange for him spilling the beans on his activities for the last few decades. In his evil pea brain he'll be famous and he'll love the attention.

His wife is a different story. She's apparently very quiet. She might talk just enough to save her own skin and get some favors.

[historynut]

One would think so...yet...he held Jaycee and her two children captive in that tent home in his backyard for 18 years. Makes ya wonder just how he covered for all those years with next store neighbors. The owner of the next door property had clear view of the backyard where Jaycee was held. He spoke last night about these wild parties...where he saw lots of men gathered..drinking beer..being generally rowdy...no shirts...bon fire's...yet nothing set his alarms off in his head that anything 'illegal' was going on. This seems to be the case with any neighbor the media has spoken too...all of them saying something wasn't right..but none of them saw anything going on really illegal..so they minded their own business. :eh:

One would think CPS would have been called with Garrido's back history..kids playing in his back yard. Yet..not one phone call was made. Who knows what those neighbors did and didn't know...they all seem to be doing the side step shuffle as fast as they can imo. :think:

The parole officer...that's were the force of the microscopic 'eye' should be focused. He searched the home only..but not the gads of buildings in his backyard? Come on...how lame can ya get?

This is gonna get really weird as the days go on. I foretell lots of finger pointing and excuses will soon fill the air waves on this case. CYA baby...everyone with a department badge is going to use it and use it well. :rolleyes: Heads need to roll...monies need to be funded for the (good) programs already in place to watch these sickos...and a new day needs to dawn in California in regards to parolee's.

~Mysty

I don't know what the neighbor's saw but if you don't see anything illegal going on it does little good to call the police. You call call if there is a wild party but all that's going to do is get the police to tell him to keep the noise down.

You may think your neighbor is weird but unless you know something about his background that you can give to the police "He's a pedophile and I heard kids in his yard" they is little that can be done.

If you do keep calling the police without seeing something illegal the police will go after you. Sometimes even if you do see something illegal (someone breaking into the empty house across the street) they tell you not to call (don't call unless you see a fire or hear someone screaming). I do understand that the police may have more dangous calls they need to go to but someone still owned the house and it had all the fixtures (toilets, sinks etc) removed which to me seemed illegal.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I don't know what the neighbor's saw but if you don't see anything illegal going on it does little good to call the police. You call call if there is a wild party but all that's going to do is get the police to tell him to keep the noise down.

You may think your neighbor is weird but unless you know something about his background that you can give to the police "He's a pedophile and I heard kids in his yard" they is little that can be done.

If you do keep calling the police without seeing something illegal the police will go after you. Sometimes even if you do see something illegal (someone breaking into the empty house across the street) they tell you not to call (don't call unless you see a fire or hear someone screaming). I do understand that the police may have more dangous calls they need to go to but someone still owned the house and it had all the fixtures (toilets, sinks etc) removed which to me seemed illegal.

Gee...didn't I post that sentiment already?

I understand the basis of why the neighbors didn't call the police...many simply minded their own business as nothing illegal could be seen in the activities next door. I understand the whys of the neighbors. However, that doesn't excuse a lazy Parole officer(s),; an inept system that let him back out onto the streets 40 years early; or a wife whose as culpable and guilty in the Jaycee Dugard case to get out on 15 thousand dollars bail in order to turn evidence for the state.

No matter which way you choose to look at this case and what could have been done to prevent 18 years of pure hell for a child that was ripped away from her family and her community, you still come up with serious and grievous errors that allowed this travesty to continue for as long as it did.

~Mysty

[JimGP20]

From all the stories I've read, Garrido had a tracking bracelet around his ankle. Why then, when this happened 18 years ago, was all sexual predators tracking bracelets not checked to find out where they were at that time? What is the use of the bracelet if it's not actually tracked?

[historynut]

Gee...didn't I post that sentiment already?

I understand the basis of why the neighbors didn't call the police...many simply minded their own business as nothing illegal could be seen in the activities next door. I understand the whys of the neighbors. However, that doesn't excuse a lazy Parole officer(s),; an inept system that let him back out onto the streets 40 years early; or a wife whose as culpable and guilty in the Jaycee Dugard case to get out on 15 thousand dollars bail in order to turn evidence for the state.

No matter which way you choose to look at this case and what could have been done to prevent 18 years of pure hell for a child that was ripped away from her family and her community, you still come up with serious and grievous errors that allowed this travesty to continue for as long as it did.

~Mysty

The statement I responed to was:

"One would think so...yet...he held Jaycee and her two children captive in that tent home in his backyard for 18 years. Makes ya wonder just how he covered for all those years with next store neighbors. The owner of the next door property had clear view of the backyard where Jaycee was held. He spoke last night about these wild parties...where he saw lots of men gathered..drinking beer..being generally rowdy...no shirts...bon fire's...yet nothing set his alarms off in his head that anything 'illegal' was going on. This seems to be the case with any neighbor the media has spoken too...all of them saying something wasn't right..but none of them saw anything going on really illegal..so they minded their own business."

Which seem to be trying to put the blame on the neighbors because they never saw anything illegal.

As for lazy Parole officer(s), cops etc there are a lot out there but there are also a lot of overworked ones trying to do a 20 minute job in 5 minutes.

[CexEdgeld]

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[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

The statement I responed to was:

"One would think so...yet...he held Jaycee and her two children captive in that tent home in his backyard for 18 years. Makes ya wonder just how he covered for all those years with next store neighbors. The owner of the next door property had clear view of the backyard where Jaycee was held. He spoke last night about these wild parties...where he saw lots of men gathered..drinking beer..being generally rowdy...no shirts...bon fire's...yet nothing set his alarms off in his head that anything 'illegal' was going on. This seems to be the case with any neighbor the media has spoken too...all of them saying something wasn't right..but none of them saw anything going on really illegal..so they minded their own business."

Which seem to be trying to put the blame on the neighbors because they never saw anything illegal.

As for lazy Parole officer(s), cops etc there are a lot out there but there are also a lot of overworked ones trying to do a 20 minute job in 5 minutes.

Projecting...hmmmm....as bad as assuming in my book. What you think and what you know can be vast casams apart.

Did I say 'every' cop was lazy? No..I didn't. Did I say every parole officer was lazy? No I didn't not.

Let's focus on the case shall we? Discuss the case...not try to harbor some notion that this will turn into a cop thrashing thread.

~Mysty

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

From all the stories I've read, Garrido had a tracking bracelet around his ankle. Why then, when this happened 18 years ago, was all sexual predators tracking bracelets not checked to find out where they were at that time? What is the use of the bracelet if it's not actually tracked?

A 'tracking bracelet'? Like an ankle bracelet? First I've heard of it. Where did you read that?

I'd be interested to know, since he was released from Nevada to California for parole...how and why that went down.

~Mysty

[JudasGoat]

What really gets me, in looking at the compound, I think I could have gotten out of there fairly easily. It shows how brain washed a person can be when they are taken as a captive at a young age. I wonder if he kept her tied up or chained for a long time, until her will was broken.

So many of these cases keep comming up.... this world has far too many evil people in it.

I heard something somewhere about elephant training. They chain an elephant by the leg to a tree for a long time until it learns it can't pull loose. Then they gradually replace the chain with smaller and smaller rope until it's just a string basically. If you're out of string you can use a strand of those german sausages. Unless the elephant eats it. I don't know, do they eat meat?

edit to add;
I can't think of anything bad enough to inflict on these two to teach them what they did was wrong. What kind of justive could possibly be metted out on these two pieces of trash that could make up for what they've done?

[historynut]

Projecting...hmmmm....as bad as assuming in my book. What you think and what you know can be vast casams apart.

Which is what I was pointing out, we don't know what anyone saw.

Did I say 'every' cop was lazy? No..I didn't. Did I say every parole officer was lazy? No I didn't not.

You seem to have missed the part where I said "but there are also a lot of overworked ones trying to do a 20 minute job in 5 minutes.'

Let's focus on the case shall we? Discuss the case...not try to harbor some notion that this will turn into a cop thrashing thread.

~Mysty

If you read what I said above you would know I was trying to defend the parole officer.

[Apatriot]

I think when it all comes out, we are going to find he was responsible for a *lot* of kidnappings, murders and what not.

He claims that after Jaycee had the babies, that he became a cured man. That he never touched Starlet and Angel (Jaycee's daughters).

Garrido *truly* believed he was working on a cure for his sexual predation affliction. Obviously (to him) this meant kidnapping victims so that he could prove he was cured.

Two days before he was busted for Jaycee's kidnapping, he took Starlet and Angel with him to the local FBI office to deliver a long, rambling, nonsensical treatise on how to cure sexual predators such as himself. Ironical, no?

Sadly, there are going to be a lot of suffering families out of this investigation who are going to find out they don't get the happy ending Jaycee's family got. :((

I hope the FRY Garrido and his evil bitch of a wife. Garrido's wife kept Jaycee and those children captive while he was in jail for a brief spell for a parole violation--instead of releasing them to go home, she kept them under lock and key. She is JUST AS BAD AND EVIL as her husband and deserves teh SAME punishment as him.

If you've looked at the link in my sig line, I have ZERO USE for pedophilic kidnappers who rape and kill. NONE.

Kill 'em all. Don't let em sit in jail on a death senence from 1976 to present (as per the pedophile in Lori Ann Smith's case). Kill 'em and let got sort it all out.

GRRRRRRR. Don't get me started. :evil:
ON GMA this morning, they showed a police sketch of a woman that Jaycee's stepfather saw in the van that abducted Jaycee. It was a pretty close resemblance to Garrido's wife.I have little doubt that she was an active participant in all of this.

[JimGP20]

A 'tracking bracelet'? Like an ankle bracelet? First I've heard of it. Where did you read that?

I'd be interested to know, since he was released from Nevada to California for parole...how and why that went down.

~Mysty

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/01/california.garrido.monitoring/index.html#cnnSTCText



(CNN) -- Phillip Garrido was registered as a sex offender, regularly visited by parole officers and fitted with an ankle bracelet to track his movements -- but nothing prevented him from being around children, according to a victims' advocacy group.