What is economic justice?

[Mohawk5]

Not trying to sound dumb here.

What is economic justice?

[namjah]

Not trying to sound dumb here.

What is economic justice?

Tell us where you heard the term; what's the context?

[mpodlesny]

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[mpodlesny]

I found this: "Economic justice 1. Fairness and equity in economic affairs, presumably by having laws, governments, and institutions that treat people equally and avoid favoring particular individuals or groups.
2. As most often used, the term carries a connotation that economic justice can only be achieved by lessening the power and changing the practices of international financial institutions (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~alandear/glossary/i.html#ifi2), transnational corporations (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~alandear/glossary/t.html#tnc2), and rich-country governments. "

[jmacvols]

Not trying to sound dumb here.

What is economic justice?

You get something only when you give something - economic justice (work for a living)
You get something when you give nothing - economic injustice (wealth redistribution)

[Mohawk5]

Tell us where you heard the term; what's the context?


I am not sure who the speaker was or what the speech was about. The person indicated that now we will have Social and Economic Justice.

[fjccommish]

It means taking from those who work and earn to give to those who don't work or earn. In the context it's being used in America today, it means socialism, taking away from some because they're the wrong color or economic class.

[SnowSquirrel]

As typically used? It's Lord Humongous riding into your wasteland village to steal your precious juice.

http://kschnee.xepher.net/pics/theory_of_justice.jpg

[Mohawk5]

So basically wealth redistribution.

[namjah]

So basically wealth redistribution.

Again, without the context, it's impossible to say.

[Ninjacorpse]

It's where someone "less fortunate" remodels your back door and receives all of your electronics and your wifes jewelry as compensation.

[Mohawk5]

Again, without the context, it's impossible to say.


I heard on the Beck op.

Apparently it was a Sen. Paul Wallstone speech.

[Mohawk5]

It's where someone "less fortunate" remodels your back door and receives all of your electronics and your wifes jewelry as compensation.


Legal theft.

I get it.

[namjah]

I heard on the Beck op.

Apparently it was a Sen. Paul Wallstone speech.

Thanks. I'll go 'google' that.

[FreedomRing]

Obama's own words:

"When you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody"

[See It Clearly]

It means taking from those who work and earn to give to those who don't work or earn. In the context it's being used in America today, it means socialism, taking away from some because they're the wrong color or economic class.

Actually, that is called stealing. That is what is done in Uhmerica today. There is a group of people who work and earn, a group who steals some of those earning, government, and gives it to people who don't work.

They are given parades and special priveleges because they don't make the people earn anything. Instead they promise them more "free" stuff from those evil people who work. All the while the ones greedily receiving the handouts continue to complain and bitch and moan about their poor conditions.

[Freep]

Not trying to sound dumb here.

What is economic justice?

simply redistribution of wealth

[Mohawk5]

Thanks. I'll go 'google' that.

I should have done the same!

DUH!

:doh:

[namjah]

The term is mentioned in Wellstone's book, Conscience of a Liberal: Reclaiming the Compassionate Agenda, and apparently was dealing with Welfare Reform.

[Mohawk5]

Obama's own words:

"When you spread the wealth around it's good for everybody"


Where in the Constitution does it give a politician the power to "spread the wealth around"?

[Mohawk5]

The term is mentioned in Wellstone's book, Conscience of a Liberal: Reclaiming the Compassionate Agenda, and apparently was dealing with Welfare Reform.


You can hear a cut from the speech here.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908270008

[namjah]

Where in the Constitution does it give a politician the power to "spread the wealth around"?

It doesn't. If any branch had that power, it would be the Congress, not the President.

[Hellsbane]

It doesn't. If any branch had that power, it would be the Congress, not the President.

And congress doesn't have that power.

[Ninjacorpse]

Legal theft.

I get it.

It is not theft it is liberating the wealth you do not need to survive. :flag:

[namjah]

You can hear a cut from the speech here.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908270008

This clip doesn't give you anything but Glen Beck's ranting; it doesn't go into what Wellstone meant by 'economic justice'.

[Mohawk5]

This clip doesn't give you anything but Glen Beck's ranting; it doesn't go into what Wellstone meant by 'economic justice'.


I understand this. They were talking bout TK and segued into the Wallstone sound bite.

[Mohawk5]

It is not theft it is liberating the wealth you do not need to survive. :flag:


Should I feel lucky that I am not wealthy?

:)

[namjah]

Should I feel lucky that I am not wealthy?

:)

You, and me, and everyone should learn to be happy with what we have (a lesson from the Bible). Remember what Jesus said "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven".

[See It Clearly]

It is not theft it is liberating the wealth you do not need to survive. :flag:


"Liberating the wealth you don't need" that is a good one. If I ever decide to run for office that will be my campaign slogan.

If elected I will empower people to go to their employers and tell them that they are being paid too much, as a repsonsible employee you are willing to take a pay cut. Yes, I will strengthen the resolve in the Uhmerican people so that they can turn down those pay raises and say, not just no, but HELL NO to bonuses, overtime, and holiday pay.



(where is that sarcasm switch?)

[ThinkingMan]

OK - look - no liberals will be in this thread because they know what it means and won't face defining it.

The left uses terms like "justice" to refer to schemes that they intend to implement but are actually designed to do the exact opposite of what they're called.

They use this tactic constantly. Fairness Doctrine. Freedom of Choice. Even the Economic Recovery Act. Etc.....

Economic justice means satisfying, even if just a little, anyone who feels like wealth has been taken from them and given to those who appear to be successful. It stems from the inane concept that wealth is limited, and therefore must be spread "fairly."

Often in the form of 1. increase in minimum wage 2. higher tax rates for top X% 3. increase in programs that give money rather than creating wealth, like cash for clunkers. And others.

Democrats have been using such concepts to get elected forever, more or less, but nowadays it is their stock in trade.

The MSM's ongoing creation of an "everything for nothing right now" culture (aka, "off the rack" culture) caters to this perfectly.

Which is why the Democrats are in power and will continue to be, and it is also why the GOP keeps lurching left, trying to keep up and stay relevant.

If you don't learn anything else today, online or wherever, make sure you learned this, because it is indisputable.

[toreyj01]

http://www.cesj.org/images/3principles.jpg

Here you go, read more at http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

Its far from socialism, its more like a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. Most followers of economic justice are particularly interested in limiting monopolies and letting everyone have opportunities for success, including access to education and capital.

[namjah]

http://www.cesj.org/images/3principles.jpg

Here you go, read more at http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

Its far from socialism, its more like a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. Most followers of economic justice are particularly interested in limiting monopolies and letting everyone have opportunities for success, including access to education and capital.

Interesting. Thanks.

[hailreagan]

Good lord.

[hailreagan]

You, and me, and everyone should learn to be happy with what we have (a lesson from the Bible). Remember what Jesus said "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven".


Yeah, I am pretty sure that Jesus was against stealing and your eye of the needle phrase has already been debated ad nas. on this forum.

[Ninjacorpse]

Should I feel lucky that I am not wealthy?

:)

You should be damn proud. :)

[ThinkingMan]

Here you go, read more at http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

Its far from socialism, its more like a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. Most followers of economic justice are particularly interested in limiting monopolies and letting everyone have opportunities for success, including access to education and capital.

Economic Harmony is not Economic "Justice."

[See It Clearly]

http://www.cesj.org/images/3principles.jpg

Here you go, read more at http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

Its far from socialism, its more like a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. Most followers of economic justice are particularly interested in limiting monopolies and letting everyone have opportunities for success, including access to education and capital.

There is nothing wrong with a monopoly. If I do something and do it better than everyone else I will have a monopoly in that area. If greedy intentions keep me from allowing others to succeed in that area then I would say there is a problem.

Problem is, those lines have been blurred in this country for too long. Everyone does have opportunities for success, education and capital in this country now. But there are a group of people who don't want to work for it and there is a group of people who are willing to pander to them.

[Ninjacorpse]

"Liberating the wealth you don't need" that is a good one. If I ever decide to run for office that will be my campaign slogan.

If elected I will empower people to go to their employers and tell them that they are being paid too much, as a repsonsible employee you are willing to take a pay cut. Yes, I will strengthen the resolve in the Uhmerican people so that they can turn down those pay raises and say, not just no, but HELL NO to bonuses, overtime, and holiday pay.



(where is that sarcasm switch?)

Individual pay raises yes, that is why all must join a union.

[namjah]

Yeah, I am pretty sure that Jesus was against stealing and your eye of the needle phrase has already been debated ad nas. on this forum.

Thank you for that Christian response.

[See It Clearly]

Individual pay raises yes, that is why all must join a union.

:))

Looks like I got my first supporter.

[Carly75]

Economic Justice = Individuals making the money keeping more of it. Is it this simple or not?

[ThinkingMan]

Economic Justice = Individuals making the money keeping more of it. Is it this simple or not?

Incorrect.

That's called capitalism with sensible, efficient taxation.

[ThinkingMan]

Why do I always kill the thread?

[Mohawk5]

OK - look - no liberals will be in this thread because they know what it means and won't face defining it.

The left uses terms like "justice" to refer to schemes that they intend to implement but are actually designed to do the exact opposite of what they're called.

They use this tactic constantly. Fairness Doctrine. Freedom of Choice. Even the Economic Recovery Act. Etc.....

Economic justice means satisfying, even if just a little, anyone who feels like wealth has been taken from them and given to those who appear to be successful. It stems from the inane concept that wealth is limited, and therefore must be spread "fairly."

Often in the form of 1. increase in minimum wage 2. higher tax rates for top X% 3. increase in programs that give money rather than creating wealth, like cash for clunkers. And others.

Democrats have been using such concepts to get elected forever, more or less, but nowadays it is their stock in trade.

The MSM's ongoing creation of an "everything for nothing right now" culture (aka, "off the rack" culture) caters to this perfectly.

Which is why the Democrats are in power and will continue to be, and it is also why the GOP keeps lurching left, trying to keep up and stay relevant.

If you don't learn anything else today, online or wherever, make sure you learned this, because it is indisputable.


Thanks for the honest definition.

I will keep this in mind.

[Mohawk5]

http://www.cesj.org/images/3principles.jpg

Here you go, read more at http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

Its far from socialism, its more like a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. Most followers of economic justice are particularly interested in limiting monopolies and letting everyone have opportunities for success, including access to education and capital.


Dang so know I have to find out what "Economic Harmony" is!

It's gonna be a long day.

[Mohawk5]

Economic Justice = Individuals making the money keeping more of it. Is it this simple or not?


We have that system. It's called Capitalism.

[namjah]

Thanks for the honest definition.

I will keep this in mind.

You thought that was an "honest" definition? That was 90% opinion.

[Mohawk5]

Incorrect.

That's called capitalism with sensible, efficient taxation.

You beat me to it.

[Mohawk5]

You thought that was an "honest" definition? That was 90% opinion.


Aren't we all entitled to our own opinion. He gave an honest definition based on what he thinks Economic Justice is. I thanked him for that. Sorry you have a problem with me thanking him.

[hailreagan]

Thank you for that Christian response.


You are welcome.

[Mohawk5]

There are a few people I would really like to hear from. They may have been here to read what's up and they may not have. They do not hold out of many ops. I am wondering why the avoidance with this one.

[Carly75]

Why do I always kill the thread?

Here, let me put that camel back through the eye of the needle. And, I agree in your assessment of my thought on what is economic justice. Keep on sewing!

[ThinkingMan]

You beat me to it.

Don't I always, Mohawk5?

[ThinkingMan]

Here, let me put that camel back through the eye of the needle. And, I agree in your assessment of my thought on what is economic justice. Keep on sewing!

It wasn't I who made that weird camel-needle comment thingy.

But thanks for agreeing. You're doing well in your first few posts.

[ThinkingMan]

Dang so know I have to find out what "Economic Harmony" is!

It's gonna be a long day.

"I'd like to teach the world to sing...."

There, now you have that song in your head while doing your research.

You're welcome. :)

[ThinkingMan]

Thanks for the honest definition.

I will keep this in mind.

Good man!

Thanks for reading it.

[UK Glenmont]

no government interferance.

"easy peasy japaneasy" darrin mcgavin, the christmas story

[E7ALR]

http://www.cesj.org/images/3principles.jpg

Here you go, read more at http://www.cesj.org/thirdway/economicjustice-defined.htm

Its far from socialism, its more like a level playing field and let the chips fall where they may. Most followers of economic justice are particularly interested in limiting monopolies and letting everyone have opportunities for success, including access to education and capital.What a flawed system this picture outlines. It leaves out the purpose of management (a special type of labor) and of the consumer while it implies that common labor should have a major part in directing production.

[spinach]

"economic justice" is a liberal codeword for the government stealing from the haves at gunpoint, and then handing it to the lazy, fat, stupid, and incompetent liberals that spend all day petting spotted owls, smoking dope, and hugging trees.

in other words, it's the liberals way of getting a free ride, at the expense of those who work.

REAL economic justice: "get a job you dirty hippie, or starve!"

[Mohawk5]

"I'd like to teach the world to sing...."

There, now you have that song in your head while doing your research.

You're welcome. :)


Aren't we going to change the anthem to that song!?

Makes me get a tingle up my leg!!!

[Mohawk5]

What a flawed system this picture outlines. It leaves out the purpose of management (a special type of labor) and of the cunsumer while it implies that common labor should have a major part in directing production.


I sure wish I knew more about economics!!

[ThinkingMan]

Aren't we going to change the anthem to that song!?

Makes me get a tingle up my leg!!!

We were, but it was unfair to PepsiCo or whatever it is called these days.

See - now THAT's economic justice.

[Mohawk5]

"economic justice" is a liberal codeword for the government stealing from the haves at gunpoint, and then handing it to the lazy, fat, stupid, and incompetent liberals that spend all day petting spotted owls, smoking dope, and hugging trees.

in other words, it's the liberals way of getting a free ride, at the expense of those who work.

REAL economic justice: "get a job you dirty hippie, or starve!"


Another hones opinion. Thanks!

I do know a few hippie that work though.

:hug:

[ThinkingMan]

"economic justice" is a liberal codeword for the government stealing from the haves at gunpoint, and then handing it to the lazy, fat, stupid, and incompetent liberals that spend all day petting spotted owls, smoking dope, and hugging trees.

in other words, it's the liberals way of getting a free ride, at the expense of those who work.

REAL economic justice: "get a job you dirty hippie, or starve!"

Heartless conservative!!

:cry:

[ThinkingMan]

Another hones opinion. Thanks!

I do know a few hippie that work though.

:hug:

Hippies who work: the "center"

[E7ALR]

I sure wish I knew more about economics!!I would strongly encourage everyone to take a freshman college level economics course at their local community college. Just that simple foundation would open most peoples eyes to why "economic justice" (code for an eglitarian/socialist society) is contray how economics works. It is also funny how the different models of attempted economic justice all seem to revolve around trying to make whole socities into mass copied economic clones, and always end up trying to use the power of government criminal codes and the blunt force of law enforcement agencies to keep the clones in line.

[bitterclingerincalif]

Economic justice/equality is what most immigrants come to the US for. In the countries where we come from, you can't get your self out of the "lower classes" no matter what you do. Here in the US, most barriers are dropped. With a lot of hard work, you will achieve something. Even the uneducated can get ahead, mind you it's doing jobs no one really wants to do, but they are out there.

The Horatio Alger story is not just a story, I've seen it happen for most if not all immigrants I've known here. America doesn't guarantee you the good life, it gives you the opportunity to have to good life. How can you explain new immigrants can have a house (or at least a mortgage)? Because people take the opportunity given them and make it work for them. Where did America go wrong? Wealth envy won't get us any where. It should encourage us to work harder so we can get all those nice things, and not on credit either. I can still remember a time when people actually saved for the new tv set or stereo equipment. I remember moving into our house as a kid and the only furniture we had were the bedrooms and the kitchen table. The other rooms were empty and when we had the money my parents bought the living room furniture, dining room furniture, etc.

Most people who were given the opportunity to purchase homes I believe would not be in trouble if they had not furnished every nook and corner of their home. If they had waited until they could afford the new piece of furniture, they wouldn't be under water now. To heck with the friends and neighbors who gossip about your lack of furniture or the old clunker parked on the driveway. Will they be there to pay your bills? Nah. They will be too busy paying for their own bills because they really aren't any better than you are.

Apologies if I took this thread in another direction temporarily, but I am quite puzzled what's happened to the US in the 37 years I've lived here. People of 1972 US would not recognize their country if they lived today.

[markyjs]

Economic justice is a state or condition that can only exist when a person or people are not impeded from realizing the success of their labors. Capitalism is the only system to afford it's people an even remote chance to enjoy economic justice. Of course, that's not what it means when Liberals refer to it.

[rodeo]

Not trying to sound dumb here.

What is economic justice?

Economic Justice (in the context of the last election) is where you work 12 hours a day six days a week to earn it and then Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and 37 unelected czars in the bureaucracy take it and redistribute the fruits of your hard work.

[Mohawk5]

I would strongly encourage everyone to take a freshman college level economics course at their local community college. Just that simple foundation would open most peoples eyes to why "economic justice" (code for an eglitarian/socialist society) is contray how economics works. It is also funny how the different models of attempted economic justice all seem to revolve around trying to make whole socities into mass copied economic clones, and always end up trying to use the power of government criminal codes and the blunt force of law enforcement agencies to keep the clones in line.


The wife is going after her biotechnology degree. I asked her is she would take an Econ101 class. I hope she will take it eventually.

[Mohawk5]

Economic Justice (in the context of the last election) is where you work 12 hours a day six days a week to earn it and then Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and 37 unelected czars in the bureaucracy take it and redistribute the fruits of your hard work.


I like to consume the fruits of my labor. Giving it away to people that I do not choose goes against everything this country was built on.

[Getty Girl]

What is economic justice?

its a fancy phrase that means revenge on successful wealthy people

[Carly75]

Economic justice is a state or condition that can only exist when a person or people are not impeded from realizing the success of their labors. Capitalism is the only system to afford it's people an even remote chance to enjoy economic justice. Of course, that's not what it means when Liberals refer to it.

So then, Economic Justice is just liberal speak for redistribution? Why not just call it that, oh yeah that would be to truthful.

[Mohawk5]

I'm starting to think the crickets not chirping up from the left are making it hard for me to not think this is just plain old redistribution of wealth. Maybe I should give it some more time for a proponent of "economic justice" to tell me why it's a good thing.

[Mohawk5]

No proponents of "Economic Justice"?

I guess my thread will die!!!!