To liberal democrats: where is the bravado?

[skprtod914]

Apparently now the liberal media is starting to say that Obama is losing control; Arriana Huffington complained that Obama isn't effectively utilizing the techinques of Saul Alinski. And at the same time, it is conservative protesters who are making the news, in their opposition to healthcare, rather than liberal activists. And the majority of Americans, as the polls demonstrate, oppose Obama's health care plan, and the Democrats are apparently saying there aren't enough votes for Obama's plan in the Senate. So with all respect to my liberal friends, I have to ask: where is the bragging and gloating now? What happened to the "we won, you lost, be quiet, America doesn't care what you think"? A liberal on this board told me, shortly after Obama was elected, that it would be "too easy" for his agenda to be passed, with Democrat power and support in Congress. Well that may have been true during the first few months, but it certainly doesn't seem that way now. The fact is that the American people are opposing Obama's radical agenda, that if they really did want Obama, then they wanted hope and change, but not this kind. And moreover, the people are listening to the conservative idealogy expressed by the opposition to Obama's health care plan.

Edit: for a direct quote from Huffington, see post#16.

[danagoo]

They are learning that it is much harder to govern than it is to campaign.

"Hope" and "Change" aren't techniques.

[skprtod914]

They are learning that it is much harder to govern than it is to campaign.

"Hope" and "Change" aren't techniques.

Indeed. They are also learning that elections don't create a totalitarian politburo.

[skprtod914]

*bump* to generate discussion.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

They are learning that it is much harder to govern than it is to campaign.

"Hope" and "Change" aren't techniques.

I guess that’s why Obama is still out campaigning instead of being President.

[margaretms]

Apparently now the liberal media is starting to say that Obama is losing control; Arriana Huffington complained that Obama isn't effectively utilizing the techinques of Saul Alinski. And at the same time, it is conservative protesters who are making the news, in their opposition to healthcare, rather than liberal activists. And the majority of Americans, as the polls demonstrate, oppose Obama's health care plan, and the Democrats are apparently saying there aren't enough votes for Obama's plan in the Senate. So with all respect to my liberal friends, I have to ask: where is the bragging and gloating now? What happened to the "we won, you lost, be quiet, America doesn't care what you think"? A liberal on this board told me, shortly after Obama was elected, that it would be "too easy" for his agenda to be passed, with Democrat power and support in Congress. Well that may have been true during the first few months, but it certainly doesn't seem that way now. The fact is that the American people are opposing Obama's radical agenda, that if they really did want Obama, then they wanted hope and change, but not this kind. And moreover, the people are listening to the conservative idealogy expressed by the opposition to Obama's health care plan.

You might have to find a "liberal" with tendencies toward "bravado," as I don't think that's a particular trait of mine. But I always figured that if Obama won, he'd face problems, struggles, compromises, setbacks, foreseen and unforeseen events, political opposition, both with the Republicans and (especially, perhaps) within his own party--you know, day-to-day political reality, just like any other politician. There are probably some vapid, glassy-eyed Obama supporters out there, though--most presidents have them. They probably need some meds for their political bipolar disorder at the moment.

[margaretms]

I guess that’s why Obama is still out campaigning instead of being President.

The two activities are not always mutually exclusive.

[UK Glenmont]

wow

Arriana Huffington complained that Obama isn't effectively utilizing the techinques of Saul Alinski.

i cant believe she actually said that!

i know shes unhinged, but to confirm that BO is screwing up the playbook infers that BO is USING the playbook.

we all know it, but its surprising for somebody to ADMIT it.

[Cold_War_Warrior]

Apparently now the liberal media is starting to say that Obama is losing control; Arriana Huffington complained that Obama isn't effectively utilizing the techinques of Saul Alinski. And at the same time, it is conservative protesters who are making the news, in their opposition to healthcare, rather than liberal activists. And the majority of Americans, as the polls demonstrate, oppose Obama's health care plan, and the Democrats are apparently saying there aren't enough votes for Obama's plan in the Senate. So with all respect to my liberal friends, I have to ask: where is the bragging and gloating now? What happened to the "we won, you lost, be quiet, America doesn't care what you think"? A liberal on this board told me, shortly after Obama was elected, that it would be "too easy" for his agenda to be passed, with Democrat power and support in Congress. Well that may have been true during the first few months, but it certainly doesn't seem that way now. The fact is that the American people are opposing Obama's radical agenda, that if they really did want Obama, then they wanted hope and change, but not this kind. And moreover, the people are listening to the conservative idealogy expressed by the opposition to Obama's health care plan.

That word “effective” is starting to resound in more people’s opinion of Obama as something that he is not.

I think it’s because of his inability to be effective as President that makes him leave the Whitehouse so much.

[Jagergeist]

wow



i cant believe she actually said that!

i know shes unhinged, but to confirm that BO is screwing up the playbook infers that BO is USING the playbook.

we all know it, but its surprising for somebody to ADMIT it.

Yes, if you read it in the middle of an anonymous partisan internet rant it has to be undeniable truth.

[margaretms]

Yes, if you read it in the middle of an anonymous partisan internet rant it has to be undeniable truth.

People of all political stripes have used these tactics (ridicule? personalization? polarization? the Gingrich GOPAC memo?) for years. The right is now explicit about it, too. Conservative groups now have their members read Alinsky; there's even a right wing version of it:

http://www.michaelpatrickleahy.com/

[UK Glenmont]

Yes, if you read it in the middle of an anonymous partisan internet rant it has to be undeniable truth.

ever read rules for radicals?

[ksdb]

They are learning that it is much harder to govern than it is to campaign.
The LMSM wrote a story on this concept and noted that Obama's young supporters that helped him get elected have bailed out on supporting his agenda. Specifically, young voters don't care about the health care issue so much, so they aren't e-networking it enough to help win broad public support ... they say.

[UK Glenmont]

bad question

no right answer

if yes, your part of the radicals

if no your ignorant

bad question sorry

[skprtod914]

Yes, if you read it in the middle of an anonymous partisan internet rant it has to be undeniable truth.

Here is what Huffington said, from soundbites in Limbaugh's transcript:

RUSH:And then Charlie Rose goes to Arianna Huffington of the Huffing and Puffington Post and says, "Arianna, how do you see this leadership question with President Obama?"

HUFFINGTON: I agree with Doris. On top of it, he's a natural-born teacher. He's teaching about how to be a human being, not just a president. His ability not to hold grudges, to stay centered, all those are great qualities. My concern is that he's demonstrating a preference for compromise and reconciliation even before the fight has been fought. He's a pied piper, but he has not taken this strong stand on health care or, indeed, on reforming Wall Street that would have led to fundamental change.

Also:

HUFFINGTON: President Obama who, as you know, is a student of Saul Alinsky, the great community organizer, has actually changed the perspective of the Alinsky theory. He wants to move from the first stage, which is the identification of the problem, to the fourth stage, which is reconciliation. And he doesn't really want to deal with the messy parts in between.

[UK Glenmont]

i think he is up to a 99.2% accuracy rate