What happened to Britain?

[Patriarch]

Britain has done some questionable things recently to say the least. They banned broadcast of the Michael Savage show, and also banned him from coming to the country. Is this something a free country should do? Huge blow to free speech in that country.

Most notible Scottland released the terrorist Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, who killed 200 people blowing up an airplane!

Britain recently elected a more liberal president in Gordon Brown.

So what is wrong with Britain? Have they gone soft like France? They used to be one of the few European countries still willing to fight for freedom, now they have gone left and gone soft.

Should we pass sanctions or cut trade relations from Britain for these foolish moves?

[Conan]

its a disease called progressive liberalism.

[Justus]

I hear savage is gonna quit talk radio once he's unbanned from Britain?

[ShinGouki]

People rag on France too much.

Let me put it this way. If I were a country planning to fight another European country, France is the LAST country I'd pick a fight with right now. They've got one of the best armies in the world, bar none. They''re better than the Brits now.

Now back to the Brits. I dunno. About the Savage thing, I don't agree with it, but I can understand their reasoning. It's kinda the same reason Germany wouldn't allow a Neo-Nazi to push his stuff on the air. Britain has a nasty history with white supremacy (India, Africa, and what they did to Native Americans for starters) so they're a bit more sensitive to anyone even remotely resembling a white supremacist than we are. Not saying Savage is a white supremacist, but some of his stuff could be taken that way.

They don't have freedom of speech there like we do. In this country, if you're a Neo-Nazi, you can get a podium and scream your racist crap all day long and the government can do nothing about it. In country's like Germany, Britain, and France... Not so much. Heck, in Germany, denying the Holocaust is a FEDERAL offense punishable with extensive jail time. That's how sensitive Europeans are to subjects involving white supremacy.

[PSBandit]

Britain is a perfect example of what we could become if Marxist BHO gets his way.

[Patriarch]

its a disease called progressive liberalism.

And apparently it has taken over Britain.

[Patriarch]

I hear savage is gonna quit talk radio once he's unbanned from Britain?

That doesn't make any sense. How can a free nation ban free speech like this?

[mawst95]

Britain has done some questionable things recently to say the least. They banned broadcast of the Michael Savage show, and also banned him from coming to the country. Is this something a free country should do? Huge blow to free speech in that country.

Most notible Scottland released the terrorist Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, who killed 200 people blowing up an airplane!

Britain recently elected a more liberal president in Gordon Brown.

So what is wrong with Britain? Have they gone soft like France? They used to be one of the few European countries still willing to fight for freedom, now they have gone left and gone soft.

Should we pass sanctions or cut trade relations from Britain for these foolish moves?

The conservative party got put in charge?

[Patriarch]

People rag on France too much.

Let me put it this way. If I were a country planning to fight another European country, France is the LAST country I'd pick a fight with right now. They've got one of the best armies in the world, bar none. They''re better than the Brits now.

Now back to the Brits. I dunno. About the Savage thing, I don't agree with it, but I can understand their reasoning. It's kinda the same reason Germany wouldn't allow a Neo-Nazi to push his stuff on the air. Britain has a nasty history with white supremacy (India, Africa, and what they did to Native Americans for starters) so they're a bit more sensitive to anyone even remotely resembling a white supremacist than we are. Not saying Savage is a white supremacist, but some of his stuff could be taken that way.

They don't have freedom of speech there like we do. In this country, if you're a Neo-Nazi, you can get a podium and scream your racist crap all day long and the government can do nothing about it. In country's like Germany, Britain, and France... Not so much. Heck, in Germany, denying the Holocaust is a FEDERAL offense punishable with extensive jail time. That's how sensitive Europeans are to subjects involving white supremacy.

Sounds like are Euro Allies have a lot of problems with liberty. Looks like euro-socialism isn;t so great after all.

I am glad we don't have a president who is trying to lead us into the same political system... Oh wait. :doh:

[Patriarch]

The conservative party got put in charge?

I don't think a conservative party would ban Michael S. Nor any radio.

Its the Libs that have been pushing to limit radio in this country and abroad. IE Unfairness doctrine....:naughty:

[Clamp]

Why would Britain adhere to ideals of our Constitution?

[Patriarch]

Britain is a perfect example of what we could become if Marxist BHO gets his way.

True. Gordon Brown is like BHO on crack. I can't wait for Obama to start letting terrorists go as well. Oh wait... He already did.

[mawst95]

I don't think a conservative party would ban Michael S. Nor any radio.

Its the Libs that have been pushing to limit radio in this country and abroad. IE Unfairness doctrine....:naughty:

Number of "fairness doctrine" bills ever put out of a Dem Committee = 0.

Just another conservative lie.

Number of Bill of Rights that Bush's OLC said were superseded by Bush's wartime power: 2

[mawst95]

Number of "fairness doctrine" bills ever put out of a Dem Committee = 0.

Just another conservative lie.

Number of Bill of Rights that Bush's OLC said were superseded by Bush's wartime power: 2

Just another conservative lie. I like that. I'm gonna call that a JACL.

[Patriarch]

Number of "fairness doctrine" bills ever put out of a Dem Committee = 0.

Just another conservative lie.

Number of Bill of Rights that Bush's OLC said were superseded by Bush's wartime power: 2

They didn't pass any because they didn't have enough votes. Most of the far left politicians have openly supported the FD. You don't have to pass it to be in full support of it.

Bush's suppression? I believe you are talking about the Patriot act? That was passed by Congress.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

i think it all started when obama was elected.

[Patriarch]

Why would Britain adhere to ideals of our Constitution?

I would expect the country that the US was concevied from, and our closest Allie to at the very least, respect peoples right to free speech, and the right to movement.

Letting a terrorist go is a whole other ball park, not to mention dangerous.

[mawst95]

They didn't pass any because they didn't have enough votes. Most of the far left politicians have openly supported the FD. You don't have to pass it to be in full support of it.

Bush's suppression? I believe you are talking about the Patriot act? That was passed by Congress.

Yeah. Not enough votes to support even getting it to the floor! Sort of makes my point, huh? Dems not having support for a particular idea (that you claim they support) doesn't really buttress you're argument, you know.

[ShinGouki]

Sounds like are Euro Allies have a lot of problems with liberty. Looks like euro-socialism isn;t so great after all.

I am glad we don't have a president who is trying to lead us into the same political system... Oh wait. :doh:

Europe has never had true freedom of speech. That's an American thing.

[ShinGouki]

I would expect the country that the US was concevied from, and our closest Allie to at the very least, respect peoples right to free speech, and the right to movement.

Letting a terrorist go is a whole other ball park, not to mention dangerous.

Is the United States a clone of Britain? No, it is not. We are a unique country founded on some of the principles that Britain held, but we a very different country with a very different culture.

I know a man who is a preacher. His son, however, is currently spending a 25 year long prison sentence. The man imbued his cultural values in his son, but the son turned out much different than expected.

That's a crappy analogy, I know, but it proves the same point. What comes from one can end up being drastically different than the parent material.

[PhantomPholly]

People rag on France too much.

Let me put it this way. If I were a country planning to fight another European country, France is the LAST country I'd pick a fight with right now. They've got one of the best armies in the world, bar none. They''re better than the Brits now.

Now back to the Brits. I dunno. About the Savage thing, I don't agree with it, but I can understand their reasoning. It's kinda the same reason Germany wouldn't allow a Neo-Nazi to push his stuff on the air. Britain has a nasty history with white supremacy (India, Africa, and what they did to Native Americans for starters) so they're a bit more sensitive to anyone even remotely resembling a white supremacist than we are. Not saying Savage is a white supremacist, but some of his stuff could be taken that way.

They don't have freedom of speech there like we do. In this country, if you're a Neo-Nazi, you can get a podium and scream your racist crap all day long and the government can do nothing about it. In country's like Germany, Britain, and France... Not so much. Heck, in Germany, denying the Holocaust is a FEDERAL offense punishable with extensive jail time. That's how sensitive Europeans are to subjects involving white supremacy.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and point out that France's war record is 0-20...

:))

[Patriarch]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and point out that France's war record is 0-20...

:))

They have lost their last 10 wars. that would be the first country I'd attack, they would surrender 6 weeks later.

[Patriarch]

Yeah. Not enough votes to support even getting it to the floor! Sort of makes my point, huh? Dems not having support for a particular idea (that you claim they support) doesn't really buttress you're argument, you know.

Actually it makes my point, because many of them support it, IE Kerry, Obama, Pelosi, etc.

But they know what the backlash would be so they didn't try it. Doesn't mean they don't want it.

[Bluenose177]

As a proud Scot and Brit I am ashamed by what my country has done, but lets clear somethings up. This decision was made in Edinburgh by the Scottish National Party who rule in Scotland, and not in London by the houses of parliament.

Our country lost citizens when Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie and this is what makes Kenny MacCaskill's decision all the more mystifying.

But may I just say, with all due respect to my new home and countrymen here in the USA, don't preach to us about what just happened. You're country harboured IRA terrorists for years and afforded them protection from conviction in a UK court of law and gave plenty to NorAid to fund IRA weapons. BUY A BULLET KILL A BRIT.

so lets not be casting aspersions on anyone

[Safiel]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and point out that France's war record is 0-20...

:))

That is what happens when a country adopts the philosophy of Rousseau and egalitarianism. Since the French revolution, France has been an empty shell of its former self. Until they discard this obsession with egalitarianism, they will never be a truly great country again.

[jbthe20th]

Britain has done some questionable things recently to say the least. They banned broadcast of the Michael Savage show, and also banned him from coming to the country. Is this something a free country should do? Huge blow to free speech in that country.

Most notible Scottland released the terrorist Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, who killed 200 people blowing up an airplane!

Britain recently elected a more liberal president in Gordon Brown.

So what is wrong with Britain? Have they gone soft like France? They used to be one of the few European countries still willing to fight for freedom, now they have gone left and gone soft.

Should we pass sanctions or cut trade relations from Britain for these foolish moves?

1) Britain doesn't have a first amendment.

2) Gordon Brown is not a president. Furthermore, he was never elected. Even furthermore, he won't be elected.

[Patriarch]

As a proud Scot and Brit I am ashamed by what my country has done, but lets clear somethings up. This decision was made in Edinburgh by the Scottish National Party who rule in Scotland, and not in London by the houses of parliament.

Our country lost citizens when Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie and this is what makes Kenny MacCaskill's decision all the more mystifying.

But may I just say, with all due respect to my new home and countrymen here in the USA, don't preach to us about what just happened. You're country harboured IRA terrorists for years and afforded them protection from conviction in a UK court of law and gave plenty to NorAid to fund IRA weapons. BUY A BULLET KILL A BRIT.

so lets not be casting aspersions on anyone

I don't know if any of those accusations are true. But the IRA conflict is deep, and yes many Americans did support the IRA.

But moving on, I'm not clear how politics work in your country, or old country, but how does the Scottish authority, have power over the United Kingdom?

This seems like it would be equivalent to Texas, releasing a terrorist without the US's permission...

[jbthe20th]

But moving on, I'm not clear how politics work in your country, or old country, but how does the Scottish authority, have power over the United Kingdom?

It doesn't.

[Patriarch]

1) Britain doesn't have a first amendment.

2) Gordon Brown is not a president. Furthermore, he was never elected. Even furthermore, he won't be elected.

1) I never said they had a first amendment.

2) apples to oranges, I meant Prime Minister, Mr. Harvard.

[Patriarch]

It doesn't.

So then the UK okayd the release?

[jbthe20th]

1) I never said they had a first amendment.

2) apples to oranges, I meant Prime Minister, Mr. Harvard.

There was no freedom of speech. On the contrary, Britain has some of the harshest libel laws and highest rights to censor.

Yes, I know what you meant, but I was reinforcing the idea that a PM and Pres are not interchangeable.

As far as the case in question, on some issues, Britain is semi-federalist in the various kingdoms. I can only speculate that law is not centralized (as I don't think it is, except for the high court of appeals). Either way, it was a Scottish trial, by Scottish judges, on Scottish land.

[Bluenose177]

Scotland doesn't have authority over the UK.

Scotland is "devolved" from the UK meaning things like police, schooling etc are controlled from the parliament in Edinburgh" but main issues are still ruled from London at the palace of Westminster.

We don't have a 1st amendment but we do have freedom of speech laws which makes it all the more surprising that the then home secretary Jacqui Smith barred Savage from the UK.

But she got her just desserts in the end and is under investigation for fudging her expenses especially to pay for her husbands adult movies on PPV habit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1165611/Blue-movies-expenses-Jacqui-Smiths-husband-apologises-watching-porn--paid-taxpayer.html


Trust me, from what I've read this has hugely divided Scotland and the UK as a whole, some understanding the whole sympathy for a dying man, others, like myself (even though I now reside in the USA) saying this is a travesty against justice.

this may bring down the socialist SNP in Scotland and socialist Labour in the UK as a whole government (if it can be proved they DID have a hand in this) As Ive said, Scotland is devolved from the UK on matters of law and order, therefore I believe only the SNP made this decision, no one else.

[Safiel]

Well, maybe as soon as Autumn and certainly by next June, Labour and their allies will be destroyed during the next general election. A lot of garbage in the United Kingdom will be taken to the curb.

[jbthe20th]

I hope we can see the rise of the LibDems

[Bluenose177]

I hope we can see the rise of the LibDems



that's a joke, right....................HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE :doh:


LibDems will never have enough votes for power, the most they can ever hope for power share if and when needed.

Labour will be out at the next election, Cameron may get voted in, but he has to be clear on where he stands. If he gives Brits the referendum vote on Europe he'll be the next PM.

[jbthe20th]

that's a joke, right....................HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE :doh:


LibDems will never have enough votes for power, the most they can ever hope for power share if and when needed.

Labour will be out at the next election, Cameron may get voted in, but he has to be clear on where he stands. If he gives Brits the referendum vote on Europe he'll be the next PM.

Oh, I know that the LD's have no chance. I do think they're going to pick up a number of seats in Scotland and possibly the midlands.... places that won't ever vote Conservative, but aren't happy with Labour.

I don't think that Britain will ever get a referendum vote.... the UK is in a very odd position, where the only sensible next step is to move towards the EU, but popular vote won't allow it.

[chip]

Number of Bill of Rights that Bush's OLC said were superseded by Bush's wartime power: 2

Speaking of lies.

[WickedKoala]

I hear savage is gonna quit talk radio once he's unbanned from Britain?

That day can't come soon enough, meaning the day he quits.

[Safiel]

The most current predictions I have seen have Labour getting killed and the Lib Dems losing a significant net of seats. The vast majority of seats that are predicted to change hands are going to the Conservatives with the Libs picking up three from Labor <Aberdeen South, Islington South and Finsbury and Oxford East>. Nationalist parties <SNP mostly> are expected to pick up about nine seats. Overall a 72 seat Conservative majority is predicted.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

That is what happens when a country adopts the philosophy of Rousseau and egalitarianism. Since the French revolution, France has been an empty shell of its former self. Until they discard this obsession with egalitarianism, they will never be a truly great country again.

Um, Napoleon?

[opsyscw]

They have lost their last 10 wars. that would be the first country I'd attack, they would surrender 6 weeks later.
In all fairness, France did win the French Revolution ... but that was because the were fighting themselves.

I can just see that picture in my mind - Frenchmen surrendering to other Frenchmen.

[opsyscw]

That is what happens when a country adopts the philosophy of Rousseau and egalitarianism. Since the French revolution, France has been an empty shell of its former self. Until they discard this obsession with egalitarianism, they will never be a truly great country again.
France has always been there when they needed us.

WWI
WWII
Vietnam

[TRIMS713]

its a disease called progressive liberalism.

Exactly----the idea of showing compassion to a mass murderer because he's terminally ill is just one of many examples of how warped progressive liberalism really is and how detached it is from reality.

[Patriarch]

I hope we can see the rise of the LibDems

I don't get it.

[Patriarch]

In all fairness, France did win the French Revolution ... but that was because the were fighting themselves.

I can just see that picture in my mind - Frenchmen surrendering to other Frenchmen.

So technically it was a draw...