Lockerbie bomber freed on humanitarian grounds?

[dogrednunoitan1]

"BEAM ME UP SCOTTIE, THERE'S NO INTELLIGENT LIFE DOWN HERE!." :wall:

[King Cantona]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......

[The Bos'un]

Praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. Allah is enough for me and the best Protector. There is no power nor strength except by Allah, the High, the Immense. O Allah, I am free myself of my power and strength in favour of Your power and Your strength. I draw near to you by the prayer on our maser Muhammad, your slave, Prophet and Messenger, the Master of the Messengers, may Allah Almighty bless him and grant him and all of them peace, in obedience to Your command, affirming him, loving him, yearning for him and respecting his worth and the fact that he, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, is worthy of that. (sarcasm off)

[gosling2Lindy]

Released, and hailed as a hero in Libya for killing the innocent people on that flight.

My compassion is with the family and friends of those murdered.

[NascarGirl2448]

The man only has a few weeks to live. Don't punish his family for his actions. Let them spend this time with him, and be able to say their goodbyes. Also, its not his fault his fellow countrymen hailed him as a "hero." Its pretty well common knowledge that Libya isn't exactly our best friend.

[Clintville]

The man only has a few weeks to live. Don't punish his family for his actions. Let them spend this time with him, and be able to say their goodbyes. Also, its not his fault his fellow countrymen hailed him as a "hero." Its pretty well common knowledge that Libya isn't exactly our best friend.
Hey, they can come to him. Not that I really care, it doesn't really matter.

[gosling2Lindy]

The bomber went home to his family, and they can kiss him and touch him and make much of him. His countrymen, who don't like the USA, can praise him and hail him as hero.

Maybe someone can answer this question for me, because I truly don't know.....did he ever express remorse for the bombing and the loss of life?

I know very little about the mind set and belief systems that drive terrorists. I will say that I think that his release will be seen as an affirmation of those beliefs which caused the bombing in the first place, and not only to him, but to every other terrorist of his type.

Westerners will see compassion in the release of a dying man. I think terrorists will something else entirely.

My compassion is with the family and friends of the innocent victims.

[WAYMAN]

This is an injustice to all those families who lost loved ones on that fateful day in 1988 over Lockerbie Scotland. It is still amazing how any sane government can let a terrorist go free to his homeland to be cheered by his peers after killing so many innocent people while an american radio talk show host can be banned in the U.K. just for speaking his mind in his own country. This is censorship to liberty, freedom and justice but I suppose the U.K no longer has any of these since the days of Winston Churchill. Who is next and where is the justice in any of this shame on the liberal U.K politicians and let us hope that the U.S does not become like the U.K. or else we will all be censored and we we all give in to radical extremism like our european neighbors.

[The Bos'un]

Ticker tape parade.....

In the Name of Allah, The Beneficent The Merciful.
All Praise is to Him, Lord of the Worlds.
Let Allah’s Blessings be upon Muhammad
and upon his righteous and pure family.

(sarcasm off)

[CHUG]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......

So he'll get to die peacefully, surrounded by his family.

Something that wasn't allowed to his victims.

[The Bos'un]

Praise allah..... Perhaps we should be compassionate and send Charlie Manson to Libya too...

[toeknee]

burn your bag pipes!

[The Bos'un]

burn your bag pipes!
they got waterlogged... :))

[Drawz]

From Sec. MacAskill's statement:

"Compassion and mercy are about upholding the beliefs the we seek to live by, remaining true to our values as a people - no matter the severity of the provocation or the atrocity perpetrated,".

[DLaw911]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......I notice the Republicans were entirely behind Bush's forgiveness of Moammar Kadafi.

[The Bos'un]

So??????? Charlie Manson deserves compassion and freedom too. Send him home with Abdel Baset al-Megrahi.

[The Bos'un]

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name me names of Repubics who were behind Booooooooooosh. I figured someone would get involved in blaming Boooooooooooosh, too.

I bet the repubics would support the release of Charlie Manson. Perhaps all lunatics and pathological murders should be released from prison..

:)) :)) :))

[The Bos'un]

remember those who were slaughtered by radical islamists....

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[King Cantona]

So he'll get to die peacefully, surrounded by his family.

Something that wasn't allowed to his victims.

Obviously, what happened was beyond tragic but many of the families of the Lockerbie dead in Britain are not even comfortable about the conviction and are glad he's been repatriated...

[King Cantona]

burn your bag pipes!

Burning bagpipes was always a good policy......;)......

[MrShotShot]

I wish him well as his ass rots out over the next 3 months.

[CHUG]

Obviously, what happened was beyond tragic but many of the families of the Lockerbie dead in Britain are not even comfortable about the conviction and are glad he's been repatriated...

He was found guilty in a court of law, that conviction was upheld on appeal.

[twinheart]

why didn't they just bring the family to him? - I have no compassion for him at all, but if the powers that be over there felt it necessary to display some sort of compassion, it could have been achieved without releasing a mass murderer and showing an amazing amount of disrespect to the families of those who were murdered that day -

[King Cantona]

He was found guilty in a court of law, that conviction was upheld on appeal.

I'm not saying he was innocent but it's just that why do some of the families question his guilt? Irrespective of that the man is going to be dead in a few months...

[gdoane]

The man only has a few weeks to live. Don't punish his family for his actions. Let them spend this time with him, and be able to say their goodbyes. Also, its not his fault his fellow countrymen hailed him as a "hero." Its pretty well common knowledge that Libya isn't exactly our best friend.

Screw his family. What about the families that never saw their loved ones again after this bastard killed them in a cold calculated act of murder in 1988? Did THEY get to see their loved ones again?

His family raised a monster. They unleashed a vicious animal upon the world when they raised him with no morality, no respect for property or human life, and not even a shred of common decency. His family is nothing but a pit of vipers, dangerous animals best avoided and controlled as pests.

They should not be rewarded for raising Cain. Other families suffered for what they did and they surely deserve some suffering of their own.

[gdoane]

I'm not saying he was innocent but it's just that why do some of the families question his guilt? Irrespective of that the man is going to be dead in a few months...

Medical error is one of the leading causes of death. Doctors make mistakes and this guy could live to be a hundred years old, killing a few thousand more people while he lives a nice long life.

I'll believe he's going to die in a few months after his criminal ass is pushing up daisies. Until then, he belongs behind bars.

He should have been extradited to Texas. Then he really WOULD be dead in a few months and not from any natural causes either.

[James Juno]

Medical error is one of the leading causes of death. Doctors make mistakes and this guy could live to be a hundred years old, killing a few thousand more people while he lives a nice long life.

I'll believe he's going to die in a few months after his criminal ass is pushing up daisies. Until then, he belongs behind bars.

He should have been extradited to Texas. Then he really WOULD be dead in a few months and not from any natural causes either.

An appropriate "release" would have been to toss his worthless ass out of the jet during the flight back to Libya.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/20/world/main5255697.shtml

excerpt from above site:


Al-Megrahi was a well-known figure in the Scottish community near his prison, receiving regular treatment at the hospital and visited often by his wife and children, who lived in Scotland for several years.


So he got to see his family outside the wall of his prison...hmmmmm. So why send him home?

Scottish authorities must have thought they would save themselves a few bucks in treatments and medical care to this radical terrorist. Perhaps this release is nothing more then basic common sense in economics?

Maybe the rest of Old World Europe will feel the sting of world public opinion when made to step up and police/prosecute and deliver justice? Maybe...just maybe, America won't seem to be as harsh as the world would love to make us out to be? Hell, they should have sent this terrorist here...have the best medical money can buy right here with his homies in Gitmo. Would have fit right in!

Makes me sick to think this person, this terrorist, this murder is being sent home to a hero's welcome,; while the families, his victims, continue to grieve and suffer the horrific happenings of that day. Where is the justice?

~Mysty

[CHUG]

I'm not saying he was innocent but it's just that why do some of the families question his guilt? Irrespective of that the man is going to be dead in a few months...

He should die in prison, only then would he have served his life sentence.

[Shamrck]

Life Sentence: You die of natural causes. You are not executed. You are released once you assume room temperature.

How many other people nearing death, while serving life sentences in Scotland, are released from jail, ONLY because they are nearing death?

[meggers49]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......

how much compassion did he have for the families and people in that plane?

will this prevent him from possibly putting on a bomb vest and doing something...what does he have to lose?

this is not justice. and it's not compassionate to the families who suffered.

[meggers49]

From Sec. MacAskill's statement:

"Compassion and mercy are about upholding the beliefs the we seek to live by, remaining true to our values as a people - no matter the severity of the provocation or the atrocity perpetrated,".

so do they let all murders out of jail in Scotland if they have a terminal illness?

[meggers49]

Obviously, what happened was beyond tragic but many of the families of the Lockerbie dead in Britain are not even comfortable about the conviction and are glad he's been repatriated...

well, the majority of the dead were from western ny, and i can tell you, the people here are NOT glad.

[meggers49]

screw his family. What about the families that never saw their loved ones again after this bastard killed them in a cold calculated act of murder in 1988? Did they get to see their loved ones again?

His family raised a monster. They unleashed a vicious animal upon the world when they raised him with no morality, no respect for property or human life, and not even a shred of common decency. His family is nothing but a pit of vipers, dangerous animals best avoided and controlled as pests.

They should not be rewarded for raising cain. Other families suffered for what they did and they surely deserve some suffering of their own.

100%

[Drawz]

so do they let all murders out of jail in Scotland if they have a terminal illness?

Dunno. The article did say that his office has granted 24 out of 30 compassionate release requests.

[DLaw911]

He should die in prison, only then would he have served his life sentence.Should North Korea have released Laura Ling and Euna Lee before they served their sentence?

"Pardon" is different from forgiveness. It is a way of saying, "I'm better than you."

[gdoane]

Should North Korea have released Laura Ling and Euna Lee before they served their sentence?

"Pardon" is different from forgiveness. It is a way of saying, "I'm better than you."

In this case, it's a way of saying "I'm a dumbass who just cut a terrorist with nothing to lose from a suicide bombing loose on the world."

Think the guy is going to die of prostate cancer? Or go the "martyr" route?

I think if even one person gets killed by this terrorist bastard that the judge who let him go should be held criminally liable for it and face the penalties the same as if he himself committed the criminal acts of the criminal he coddled.

He's an accessory both before and after the fact.

[parkfitzpat]

Dunno. The article did say that his office has granted 24 out of 30 compassionate release requests.

This is over the course of a decade ( I guess the remaining 6 whose requests were denied must have done something much more terrible then murdering 270 people in cold blood? So such compassion has limits?)

But, what got me was the statement by a brother of one of the victims. He stated that 50-60 people die in Scotland's prisons of natural causes every year. But the mass murderer is released.

[parkfitzpat]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......

Compassion and mercy are certainly admirable qualities for a country to possess, but compassion and mercy (as well as tolerance) can often be misplaced. And misplaced compassion on such people as this terrorist, besides being morally repulsive, can have bad down the road consequences for societies in general

[parkfitzpat]

Should North Korea have released Laura Ling and Euna Lee before they served their sentence?

"Pardon" is different from forgiveness. It is a way of saying, "I'm better than you."

This is apples to oranges. The two situations are neither consistent or parallel.

[parkfitzpat]

well, the majority of the dead were from western ny, and i can tell you, the people here are NOT glad. Exactly.

[Dual867PowerMac]

Only in the religion of peace is a mass murderer like Abdel Baset al Megrahi revered. :evil:

[Dual867PowerMac]

By the way, from NPR's blog (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2009/08/libya_gives_lockerbie_bomber_h.html):

Even as al-Megrahi descended from the airplane, Libya seemed to quickly scale down its planned more elaborate welcome. Hundreds in the crowd were rushed away by authorities and the arrival was not aired live on state TV.

:rolleyes:

[The Bos'un]

Charlie Manson would make a great radical lslamist. All psychos are cut from the same evil mold.

[The Bos'un]

Gee, that was so nice of them to do that......

[Clintville]

Only in the religion of peace is a mass murderer like Abdel Baset al Megrahi revered. :evil:
This is just a minority of Muslims. There are some Christians that support certain terrorists and murderers as well.

[King Cantona]

well, the majority of the dead were from western ny, and i can tell you, the people here are NOT glad.

I'm sure they're not and I am VERY sorry for them but he was in a Scottish prison and it is up to the Scottish authorities not the Americans....

[gdoane]

I'm sure they're not and I am VERY sorry for them but he was in a Scottish prison and it is up to the Scottish authorities not the Americans....

Americans died on that plane and Scotland let the bastard who did it go. That's an act of war. Scotland denied Americans any justice at all.

You don't go releasing people who are wanted in other nations for crimes against them! You have to turn them over to the nations where they're still wanted, as any civilized nation would be required to do by international law.

There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Taliban refusing to hand over Osama Bin Laden (we're still kicking their asses for that) and Scotland cutting al- Megrahi loose. We declared war on Afghanistan for granting a terrorist who murdered Americans his freedom and we'd be nothing but consistent if we declared war on Scotland for this outrage.

[smyrna]

I hope a jet falls out of the sky, with no one on board and uses his head for a runway.:mrgreen:

[King Cantona]

Americans died on that plane and Scotland let the bastard who did it go. That's an act of war. Scotland denied Americans any justice at all.

You don't go releasing people who are wanted in other nations for crimes against them! You have to turn them over to the nations where they're still wanted, as any civilized nation would be required to do by international law.

There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Taliban refusing to hand over Osama Bin Laden (we're still kicking their asses for that) and Scotland cutting al- Megrahi loose. We declared war on Afghanistan for granting a terrorist who murdered Americans his freedom and we'd be nothing but consistent if we declared war on Scotland for this outrage.

Ludicrous, Scotland is part of the United Kingdom, declare war on Scotland and you're at war with England, Wales and Northern Ireland...

How long before the rest of Europe comes in on our side? We're part of the EU, and all because Scotland let a dying man die at home, I have a COMPLETELY different opinion to you about this...

I share the opinion of many of the relatives of the British dead.......

[gdoane]

Ludicrous, Scotland is part of the United Kingdom, declare war on Scotland and you're at war with England, Wales and Northern Ireland...

That would hardly be the first time the USA has gone to war against England. We ought to do it once every couple of hundred years just for old time's sake.


How long before the rest of Europe comes in on our side? We're part of the EU, and all because Scotland let a dying man die at home, I have a COMPLETELY different opinion to you about this...


I don't think there's a member of the EU that England hasn't been at war with either. Germany? Check. France? Check. Spain? Check. Italy? Check. Maybe not Switzerland but I'm sure it's not from a lack of ticking them off too. England has managed to make pretty much everybody mad at some point or another.

He's not a dying man. He's not a human being at all, but a cold blooded monster who should have never been let out of his cage. He's liable to commit another terrorist act to die as a "martyr" and get his stinking virgins.

If he does, Scotland should be held liable for the crime.

I share the opinion of many of the relatives of the British dead.......

I don't care about the British dead. This creep needs to pay for the AMERICAN deaths he caused and he hasn't served one day on an American death row where he belongs.

[gb2004]

This is just a minority of Muslims. There are some Christians that support certain terrorists and murderers as well.

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian, does not make them a one. I don't know of any genuine Christian that would support terrorism or murder.

[King Cantona]

That would hardly be the first time the USA has gone to war against England. We ought to do it once every couple of hundred years just for old time's sake.

Good idea, you always have full employment in wartime so just look at the economic benefits.....;).....

I don't think there's a member of the EU that England hasn't been at war with either. Germany? Check. France? Check. Spain? Check. Italy? Check. Maybe not Switzerland but I'm sure it's not from a lack of ticking them off too. England has managed to make pretty much everybody mad at some point or another.

Oh we pride ourselves on being annoying neighbours, it's our way or war, pretty easy choice......;).......

He's not a dying man. He's not a human being at all, but a cold blooded monster who should have never been let out of his cage. He's liable to commit another terrorist act to die as a "martyr" and get his stinking virgins.

If he does, Scotland should be held liable for the crime.

And yet the families of the British dead aren't comfortable with his conviction, it's a done deal now...

I don't care about the British dead. This creep needs to pay for the AMERICAN deaths he caused and he hasn't served one day on an American death row where he belongs.

Do you only care about the dead if they're American? How very patriotic of you....:rolleyes:....

[Clintville]

Americans died on that plane and Scotland let the bastard who did it go. That's an act of war. Scotland denied Americans any justice at all.

You don't go releasing people who are wanted in other nations for crimes against them! You have to turn them over to the nations where they're still wanted, as any civilized nation would be required to do by international law.

There's not a dime's worth of difference between the Taliban refusing to hand over Osama Bin Laden (we're still kicking their asses for that) and Scotland cutting al- Megrahi loose. We declared war on Afghanistan for granting a terrorist who murdered Americans his freedom and we'd be nothing but consistent if we declared war on Scotland for this outrage.

You do know he is going to be dead in three months?

[Clintville]

Just because someone calls themselves a Christian, does not make them a one. I don't know of any genuine Christian that would support terrorism or murder.
That doesn't matter.

[gdoane]

You do know he is going to be dead in three months?

Fine. Then let him out in three months.

[DLaw911]

....Think the guy is going to die of prostate cancer? Or go the "martyr" route?...........Well suppose he had neve been caught. What did it take --- 10 years to catch him. As far as I recall he did not kill anyone else during that time.

No I'm not advocating letting him go free. Frankly I think that was the wrong thing to do. The only point I was making is that his type of crime makes him a hero to some and, for those people, it does not matter whether he dies in prison or comes home to applause and cheers.

[LincolnCounty]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......

The above post is disgusting. You really expect us to believe the Scots released this convicted mass murderer out of compassion? I'll bet you 50 quid this guy is still alive a year from now. This is the typical explanation the Scot's are repeating but we know the truth. The Scottish, like the French, are typical America-hating euro-trash. I spent about 2 hours perusing Scottish blogs today and the anti-American sentiment is unbeleivable. They're actually blaming America and England for this murderer's release. Let me be clear - the decision to release this murderer was purely Scottish. They're actually "giddy" about being able to stick-it to the Americans. And this is this just a tast of what's to come from a soon to be independent Scotland. They refer to Americans as stupid, illiterate, idiots, loud-mouths, imperialistic, etc.. Read it for yourselves - start with this profanity filter bypass deleted and follow the links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2009/08/who_benefits_from_release.html?ssorl=1250968553&ssols=13&ssoc=login

I say we BOYCOTT SCOTLAND! Hit 'em where it hurts - in the wallet. We did it to France and it worked! Boycott their "Scotch"- pur it down the drain. Cancel your travel plans to Scotland (the number of Americans traveling to Scotland is huge.) Pull your money out of their banks and financial services (this is where we can really hurt them). Yes, make a withdrawal from the royal bank of scotland!

Thay stuck-it to us and they're PROUD of it. Now, let's stick-it to them.

THIS IS FORUM MODERATOR GDOANE. DO NOT BYPASS THE PROFANITY FILTER. INFRACTION GIVEN.

[CHUG]

The above post is disgusting. You really expect us to believe the Scots released this convicted mass murderer out of compassion? I'll bet you 50 quid this guy is still alive a year from now. This is the typical explanation the Scot's are repeating but we know the truth. The Scottish, like the French, are typical America-hating euro-trash. I spent about 2 hours perusing Scottish blogs today and the anti-American sentiment is unbeleivable. They're actually blaming America and England for this murderer's release. Let me be clear - the decision to release this murderer was purely Scottish. They're actually "giddy" about being able to stick-it to the Americans. And this is this just a tast of what's to come from a soon to be independent Scotland. They refer to Americans as stupid, illiterate, idiots, loud-mouths, imperialistic, etc.. Read it for yourselves - start with this @$$hole and follow the links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2009/08/who_benefits_from_release.html?ssorl=1250968553&ssols=13&ssoc=login

I say we BOYCOTT SCOTLAND! Hit 'em where it hurts - in the wallet. We did it to France and it worked! Boycott their "Scotch"- pur it down the drain. Cancel your travel plans to Scotland (the number of Americans traveling to Scotland is huge.) Pull your money out of their banks and financial services (this is where we can really hurt them). Yes, make a withdrawal from the royal bank of scotland!

Thay stuck-it to us and they're PROUD of it. Now, let's stick-it to them.

The Jocks blame the English for everything, including the fact their men wear skirts and have ginger hair.

Sure boycott Scotland, come to England instead at least you'll be able to understand the locals. Irish whisky tastes better than Scotch, and the less said about Haggis the better.

In fact, let's start raising funds to rebuild Hadrian's Wall, but this time twice the height.:mrgreen:

[gdoane]

Well suppose he had neve been caught. What did it take --- 10 years to catch him. As far as I recall he did not kill anyone else during that time.

We truly don't know if he did or didn't.

What we do know is that he was an inspiration for other terrorists who did kill a lot more people and now these villains see one of their own get released and come home to a hero's welcome flying high in the President of Libya's private plane.

Do you suppose this will increase terrorist activity any? Won't it kill thousands of more people as up and coming terrorist killers hold this as evidence that Allah is great and infidels are weak?

I have no doubt that thousands of people will be killed because of this murderous Scottish decision to reward terrorism in the name of compassion. There's no compassion for the dead, past and future as a result of this heinous act of villainy.

No I'm not advocating letting him go free. Frankly I think that was the wrong thing to do. The only point I was making is that his type of crime makes him a hero to some and, for those people, it does not matter whether he dies in prison or comes home to applause and cheers.

I disagree and contend that it does matter. Terrorism is a reward-driven culture, whether it be their stupid 92 virgins, fame like Osama Bin Laden or idolized as a "martyr" for the cause, and so seeing a terrorist rewarded with a hero's welcome home will definitely encourage further terrorism.

I don't even remotely believe that Megrahi is even sick. He's so well connected that he gets a ride home on a Presidential Private Jet. Michael Jackson bought off a doctor with less money than this guy's plane ticket.

Seriously, if you have cancer then do you want to go AWAY from medical care? Britain's medical care is pretty bad, and not even a shadow of what we have available in America but it's still leagues ahead of a third world nation like Libya. Nobody in their right mind would want medical treatment in Libya, UNLESS THEY DIDN'T NEED IT.

Nothing about this scenario adds up. Megrahi the Terrorist cost Libya millions in reparations payments, international embarassment and now he gets a ride home on Daffy Khadaffi's own private jet? So has Libya renounced terrorism or not? Looks like NOT.

[King Cantona]

The above post is disgusting. You really expect us to believe the Scots released this convicted mass murderer out of compassion? I'll bet you 50 quid this guy is still alive a year from now. This is the typical explanation the Scot's are repeating but we know the truth.

I find YOUR post to be disgusting and yes I'll take your bet...

The Scottish, like the French, are typical America-hating euro-trash. I spent about 2 hours perusing Scottish blogs today and the anti-American sentiment is unbeleivable. They're actually blaming America and England for this murderer's release. Let me be clear - the decision to release this murderer was purely Scottish. They're actually "giddy" about being able to stick-it to the Americans.

So, are you surprised?....

And this is this just a tast of what's to come from a soon to be independent Scotland. They refer to Americans as stupid, illiterate, idiots, loud-mouths, imperialistic, etc.. Read it for yourselves - start with this profanity filter bypass deleted and follow the links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/briantaylor/2009/08/who_benefits_from_release.html?ssorl=1250968553&ssols=13&ssoc=login

Soon to be independent Scotland? They can vote for independence but they have been able to do that for a while...

I say we BOYCOTT SCOTLAND! Hit 'em where it hurts - in the wallet. We did it to France and it worked! Boycott their "Scotch"- pur it down the drain. Cancel your travel plans to Scotland (the number of Americans traveling to Scotland is huge.) Pull your money out of their banks and financial services (this is where we can really hurt them). Yes, make a withdrawal from the royal bank of scotland!

Thay stuck-it to us and they're PROUD of it. Now, let's stick-it to them.


The number of Americans travelling to Scotland is huge? It'll still be huge despite your ignorant post about boycotts, now run along like a good little boy....

[johnrocks]

Scotland...Their country,their rules. I wouldn't have but it's none of our business what Scotland;or any other country does,imho.

[gdoane]

Scotland...Their country,their rules. I wouldn't have but it's none of our business what Scotland;or any other country does,imho.

We tried the Monroe Doctrine. We got into two World Wars for that ignorance. Live and let live looks good on paper, but it doesn't work in a world full of despots, dictators and destruction.

Lockerbie Flight 103 was bound for US Soil and carried US citizens. There's no argument to be had about a government's duty to defend citizens against foreign enemies.

Scotland has given aid and comfort to a man who murdered Americans. That's nothing short of an act of war. Because Scotland gives more consideration to an outlaw man than they do to a lawful State, they are themselves accessories after the fact and just as guilty of the international crimes committed by al-Megrahi.

We've got a better reason to nuke Scotland than we had to nuke Japan IMHO.

[johnrocks]

We tried the Monroe Doctrine. We got into two World Wars for that ignorance. Live and let live looks good on paper, but it doesn't work in a world full of despots, dictators and destruction.

Lockerbie Flight 103 was bound for US Soil and carried US citizens. There's no argument to be had about a government's duty to defend citizens against foreign enemies.

Scotland has given aid and comfort to a man who murdered Americans. That's nothing short of an act of war. Because Scotland gives more consideration to an outlaw man than they do to a lawful State, they are themselves accessories after the fact and just as guilty of the international crimes committed by al-Megrahi.

We've got a better reason to nuke Scotland than we had to nuke Japan IMHO.

Hey,that's what I was told a few weeks ago when some country did something like jailing someone for merely speaking..Their country,their rules! The Monroe Doctrine didn't get us in WWll.

[gdoane]

Hey,that's what I was told a few weeks ago when some country did something like jailing someone for merely speaking..Their country,their rules! The Monroe Doctrine didn't get us in WWll.

The Monroe Doctrine was a direct cause of WWII. The policy of non-interference in all affairs Europe left England and France to enforce the Treaty of Versailles all on their own and neither nation was even remotely willing or capable of executing the task at hand.

Germany should have been completely and utterly destroyed in WWI but no, we showed mercy and left Europeans to be stupid even though our own Declaration of Independence is a document declaring that European governments suck.

We saw the Monroe Doctrine again in the Persian Gulf War (Desert Storm) in which Bush 41 left Iraq to its "elected leader" Saddam Hussein and where did that stupidity get us? Iraq's a sovereign nation, right? Leave them alone and they'll leave us alone? LIKE HELL THEY WILL.

The Monroe Doctrine is the leading cause of misery in the world, it's killed millions and will kill millions more because all evil requires to succeed is that good men do nothing.

[johnrocks]

The Monroe Doctrine was a direct cause of WWII. The policy of non-interference in all affairs Europe left England and France to enforce the Treaty of Versailles all on their own and neither nation was even remotely willing or capable of executing the task at hand.

Germany should have been completely and utterly destroyed in WWI but no, we showed mercy and left Europeans to be stupid even though our own Declaration of Independence is a document declaring that European governments suck.

We saw the Monroe Doctrine again in the Persian Gulf War (Desert Storm) in which Bush 41 left Iraq to its "elected leader" Saddam Hussein and where did that stupidity get us? Iraq's a sovereign nation, right? Leave them alone and they'll leave us alone? LIKE HELL THEY WILL.

The Monroe Doctrine is the leading cause of misery in the world, it's killed millions and will kill millions more because all evil requires to succeed is that good men do nothing.

No it wasn't. Here is a 12th grade history lesson on what led to wwll.
http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/hands-on-classroom/classroom/pages/projects/grade12/lesson20/02-totalitarianism.htm

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

The Monroe Doctrine was a direct cause of WWII. The policy of non-interference in all affairs Europe left England and France to enforce the Treaty of Versailles all on their own and neither nation was even remotely willing or capable of executing the task at hand.

Germany should have been completely and utterly destroyed in WWI but no, we showed mercy and left Europeans to be stupid even though our own Declaration of Independence is a document declaring that European governments suck.

We saw the Monroe Doctrine again in the Persian Gulf War (Desert Storm) in which Bush 41 left Iraq to its "elected leader" Saddam Hussein and where did that stupidity get us? Iraq's a sovereign nation, right? Leave them alone and they'll leave us alone? LIKE HELL THEY WILL.

The Monroe Doctrine is the leading cause of misery in the world, it's killed millions and will kill millions more because all evil requires to succeed is that good men do nothing.

Um...WW2 started for us at Pearl Harbor...not some document (Monroe Doctrine) used to keep hegemony over the Western Hemisphere (ie America/Latin America) within the realm of the USA, keeping European nations from colonizing within said hemisphere. Granted, it's grown to encompass American rights within/on American soil as well as our interests abroad...but those changes weren't made until after WW2. I believe it was the Contras and the Regan era that saw that little caveat.

Trying to figure out how the Monroe doctrine was the direct cause of WW2 in your opinion...what am I missing?

~Mysty

[King Cantona]

We tried the Monroe Doctrine. We got into two World Wars for that ignorance. Live and let live looks good on paper, but it doesn't work in a world full of despots, dictators and destruction.

Lockerbie Flight 103 was bound for US Soil and carried US citizens. There's no argument to be had about a government's duty to defend citizens against foreign enemies.

Scotland has given aid and comfort to a man who murdered Americans. That's nothing short of an act of war. Because Scotland gives more consideration to an outlaw man than they do to a lawful State, they are themselves accessories after the fact and just as guilty of the international crimes committed by al-Megrahi.

We've got a better reason to nuke Scotland than we had to nuke Japan IMHO.

I'm sure you must be on strong medication gdoane because your posts are getting more and more loony all the time, do you know that if you nuke Scotland the north of England won't escape scot free...

And as I live in the north of England I rejoice in the fact that you don't have an idiot as President...

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Should North Korea have released Laura Ling and Euna Lee before they served their sentence?

"Pardon" is different from forgiveness. It is a way of saying, "I'm better than you."

I meant to reply to this yesterday...but ran out of time.

did Laura Ling and Euna Lee kill 270 Koreans? Did either of them have a trail to prove the plotting and planning of a terrorist attack that took innocent civilian lives? No..not even close. Your comparing apple's to oranges here....

Pardon is different from forgiveness. Justice/Judicial isn't in the business of forgiveness...it is in the business of the occasional pardon's. Pardon's happen for many reason's with panels of experts who give their consent to have said criminal apply to be pardoned or paroled. Neither is the case of Laura Ling or Euna Lee in Korea.

A little Toad of a man grabbed up two American women reporters...and held them hostage for infractions that no one could prove...least of all his government...and used them as a bargaining chip...a testing ground to see what Obama would do. We know the rest of the story..and god only knows what we had to give said little Toad in order to return with our citizens.

The Locker-bee terrorist? Killed 270 private citizens for a political statement of terrorism. He's not even close in comparison to the two reporters who may or may not have been one inch to close to the boarder of said little Toad's man's front gate. :wall: This guy is in a class that is ever growing...9/11 bombers, WTC first bombing, Embassy bombings...the list is growing. He was merely one of the forefathers of bloody terrorism...and the Scotts let him loose! On compassion! Riiigghhhttt...not buying it. Savings some euro's is what their doing. Not having to pay for highly expensive medical, lodgings and medicine is more then likely the cause of said 'compassion release'. Makes me sick.....

Nothing is as it seems D....smoke and mirrors honey...smoke and damn mirrors. It's politics..and it stinks to high heaven.

~Mysty

[King Cantona]

On compassion! Riiigghhhttt...not buying it. Savings some euro's is what their doing. Not having to pay for highly expensive medical, lodgings and medicine is more then likely the cause of said 'compassion release'. Makes me sick.....

Nothing is as it seems D....smoke and mirrors honey...smoke and damn mirrors. It's politics..and it stinks to high heaven.

~Mysty

All prisoners in Scotland (and in the rest of the UK) are eligible to be considered for compassionate release if they are dying. When a terminally ill prisoner is not expected to make 3 months, they are almost always granted release if they don't pose a threat.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking we're soft just because we show compassion....

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

All prisoners in Scotland (and in the rest of the UK) are eligible to be considered for compassionate release if they are dying. When a terminally ill prisoner is not expected to make 3 months, they are almost always granted release if they don't pose a threat.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking we're soft just because we show compassion....

First, your not Scottish...your English. ;) The Scotts aren't exactly known for their compassion...that's more an old world Europe Ideal that was never actualized. Talked about allot as it pertains to USA and her policies, but rarely enacted by those in power in Europe when it's their feet that are blistered by some maniac. I mean look at your history. Did you really think we left because old World Europe is soooo compassionate? lol.

Second...the (English) Parliament didn't extend the ruling of compassion..the puppet court of Scotland did. It's on their heads if this terrorists outlives his 3 months of life. I mean what are they gonna look like but fools when this guy is still around a year from now? Living a hero's life in Libya. Imagine the outrage not only from the World, but from it's own populace who lost family and friends to this maniacs actions who is still alive and kicking after the supposed three month time period has pasted.

and Lastly...there's justice, there's right and wrong...and then there's common sense. What the Scottish puppet government did was nothing less then an act of treason against common sense. They snubbed their noses as the out cries of those who lost family and friends on that flight...and covered the whole smelly dung pile with the statement of 'we show compassion'. Yeah...riiiggghhhttt....that and pigs fly while shooting gold coins out their bums! :rolleyes::wall::wall:

We should have bagged this guy as soon as the Scotts made the announcement that they were thinking of 'showing compassion' and releasing him. We show compassion too..it's called the death penalty. Better then slowly withering away...rotting in some small cell right? :twisted: That's justice..that's common sense...that what should have happened.

~Mysty

[gdoane]

I'm sure you must be on strong medication gdoane because your posts are getting more and more loony all the time, do you know that if you nuke Scotland the north of England won't escape scot free...

Nuclear weapons are greatly overrated and don't affect the area most people believe they do. A 15 Kiloton weapon like that used on Hiroshima dropped on the Copper Dome in the heart of Phoenix, Arizona wouldn't even break my windows and I'm in Phoenix. The blast radius wouldn't even reach the freeways.

And as I live in the north of England I rejoice in the fact that you don't have an idiot as President...

Barack Obama has smoked marijuana. He's stupid as all Hell.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Nuclear weapons are greatly overrated and don't affect the area most people believe they do. A 15 Kiloton weapon like that used on Hiroshima dropped on the Copper Dome in the heart of Phoenix, Arizona wouldn't even break my windows and I'm in Phoenix. The blast radius wouldn't even reach the freeways.



Barack Obama has smoked marijuana. He's stupid as all Hell.

Seems to be a 'Liberal' habit...lol. Can't argue even a little with this point. Obama is dumb as rocks...and was voted in by majority vote...God...what does that say about our populace? Sheep anyone? anyone? :))

Smart/Intelligent people don't get high...they don't need too. You'd have to be dumb as rocks to even think it's ok to get high...even if you didn't inhale :rolleyes:. It shows a lack of back bone and character in being able to simply say no. Again...this appears to be a liberal disease...the inability to just say No. :snooty: Shows a weakness as well...that anyone 'needs' to get high in order to deal with life should have their heads examined! :wall:

~Mysty

[King Cantona]

We should have bagged this guy as soon as the Scotts made the announcement that they were thinking of 'showing compassion' and releasing him. We show compassion too..it's called the death penalty. Better then slowly withering away...rotting in some small cell right? :twisted: That's justice..that's common sense...that what should have happened.


I'm sorry Mysty, I am of a completely different opinion to you, I have always been against the death penalty and that won't ever change (for me).....

The Americans are claiming that Migrahi did not show compassion to his victims and therefore compassion should not be granted to him, but two wrongs do not make a right. If a society/state/legal system is unable to show compassion to someone in the face of death, then what does that say about us?

The man's going to be dead in a few months, the only reason for denying him the opportunity to die surrounded by his family is revenge....

I don't know about you but I like to think I'm above that.......

[NCRedState]

He's only got a few months to live, at least we have compassion.......

Seems we've heard that before...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2252533/posts

Told he had 90 days to live.

[captusa]

Nuclear weapons are greatly overrated and don't affect the area most people believe they do. A 15 Kiloton weapon like that used on Hiroshima dropped on the Copper Dome in the heart of Phoenix, Arizona wouldn't even break my windows and I'm in Phoenix. The blast radius wouldn't even reach the freeways.



Barack Obama has smoked marijuana. He's stupid as all Hell.

A definitely does not imply B.
And even if marijuana did cause someone to lose intelligence, he couldn't have smoked nearly enough in 3 lifetimes to lower his intelligence to any level near to Bush.
Also the OP that claimed Obama's IQ was 125 was completely wrong when he said that means he was of average intelligence.
Depending on the test his IQ would be 2.5 standard deviations above the norm.
Without going to a table his IQ would be higher than more than 90% of the community.


Many people have smoked marijuana are ar more intelligent than many that haven't.
(AND VICE VERSA)
Marijuana does not cause brain damage however slight that alcohol does.

BTW What would a 50 megaton nuclear device do to Phoenix, Arizona.

[DLaw911]

We truly don't know if he did or didn't.

What we do know is that he was an inspiration for other terrorists who did kill a lot more people and now these villains see one of their own get released and come home to a hero's welcome flying high in the President of Libya's private plane.

Do you suppose this will increase terrorist activity any? Won't it kill thousands of more people as up and coming terrorist killers hold this as evidence that Allah is great and infidels are weak?

I have no doubt that thousands of people will be killed because of this murderous Scottish decision to reward terrorism in the name of compassion. There's no compassion for the dead, past and future as a result of this heinous act of villainy.

I disagree and contend that it does matter. Terrorism is a reward-driven culture, whether it be their stupid 92 virgins, fame like Osama Bin Laden or idolized as a "martyr" for the cause, and so seeing a terrorist rewarded with a hero's welcome home will definitely encourage further terrorism.

I don't even remotely believe that Megrahi is even sick. He's so well connected that he gets a ride home on a Presidential Private Jet. Michael Jackson bought off a doctor with less money than this guy's plane ticket.Then we should just send in the CIA to ba da bing ba da boom him.

Seriously, if you have cancer then do you want to go AWAY from medical care? Britain's medical care is pretty bad, and not even a shadow of what we have available in America but it's still leagues ahead of a third world nation like Libya. Nobody in their right mind would want medical treatment in Libya, UNLESS THEY DIDN'T NEED IT.

Nothing about this scenario adds up. Megrahi the Terrorist cost Libya millions in reparations payments, international embarassment and now he gets a ride home on Daffy Khadaffi's own private jet? So has Libya renounced terrorism or not? Looks like NOT.Can't argue with you, Gene.

There's no shortage of terrorists in the world.

I'm currently planning a trip abroad over my birthday (9/11). I went to a luggage store yesterday and was chatting with the store owner and his wife and both tell me that will never travel again by air. They would rather risk it with the big rigs on the road. Can't say I blame 'em. At least when you're behind the wheel you can pull off the road, call AAA or whatever. In the air you can't exactly say, "Could you land and drop me off."

[gdoane]

I'm sorry Mysty, I am of a completely different opinion to you, I have always been against the death penalty and that won't ever change (for me).....

Life in prison IS the death penalty. You don't get out of the pen until you're DEAD. The life sentence just takes a bit longer is all.

Take for example the case of Charles Manson. Sentenced to die some 40 years ago, he's still got the same sentence as he got back then... no leaving jail so long as there's a breath of life in his corpse. He got the Death Penalty plus 40 years. This passes for more compassion with liberals.


The Americans are claiming that Migrahi did not show compassion to his victims and therefore compassion should not be granted to him, but two wrongs do not make a right. If a society/state/legal system is unable to show compassion to someone in the face of death, then what does that say about us?

It says we don't put up with getting crapped on. It says to our enemy that we are steadfast and resolute. It says that we say what we mean and we mean what we say when passing down a sentence for a murderer.

Showing "compassion" for this one cold-blooded mass murderer showed NO compassion for his hundreds of victims. Justice has been turned on its ear and anarchy had a victory over the rule of law.

Now there's a good argument to be had for vigilantism. The law will not be upheld so justice must be taken into the hands of the people. Don't call the cops, kill the bastards yourself if you want justice because that's the only hope of getting it.

The man's going to be dead in a few months, the only reason for denying him the opportunity to die surrounded by his family is revenge....

I don't know about you but I like to think I'm above that.......

HE WAS SENTENCED TO SPEND THE REST OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON. It's not revenge to make him fulfill the conditions of his sentence.

[King Cantona]

HE WAS SENTENCED TO SPEND THE REST OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON. It's not revenge to make him fulfill the conditions of his sentence.

He's going to die in a few months, it IS revenge if you just want your pound of flesh...

And that is apparently what you want........

[NCRedState]

He's going to die in a few months, it IS revenge if you just want your pound of flesh...

And that is apparently what you want........

If you get sentenced to LIFE in prison you are SUPPOSED to die there. :wall:

[CHUG]

I'm sorry Mysty, I am of a completely different opinion to you, I have always been against the death penalty and that won't ever change (for me).....

The Americans are claiming that Migrahi did not show compassion to his victims and therefore compassion should not be granted to him, but two wrongs do not make a right. If a society/state/legal system is unable to show compassion to someone in the face of death, then what does that say about us?

The man's going to be dead in a few months, the only reason for denying him the opportunity to die surrounded by his family is revenge....

I don't know about you but I like to think I'm above that.......

I agree with your stance on capital punishment KC, but I still believe releasing him was wrong. If Scotland wanted to show compassion and let him die surrounded by his family they should have allowed them to travel to Scotland. Al-Megrahi's debt to society would only have been paid if he died in prison.

[gdoane]

Then we should just send in the CIA to ba da bing ba da boom him.

The Girl Scouts would do a more competent job than the CIA. The CIA is a cold war joke gone bad.

When the 9-11 attacks were to be punished harshly, we froze the assets of the Taliban. That wasn't the CIA, it was the I.R.S. doing the most damage.

Can't argue with you, Gene.

There's no shortage of terrorists in the world.

Pity that there seems to be a serious shortage of justice in the world.

I'm currently planning a trip abroad over my birthday (9/11). I went to a luggage store yesterday and was chatting with the store owner and his wife and both tell me that will never travel again by air. They would rather risk it with the big rigs on the road. Can't say I blame 'em. At least when you're behind the wheel you can pull off the road, call AAA or whatever. In the air you can't exactly say, "Could you land and drop me off."

You tend to think that way, feeling in control but in reality you're no safer than the worst driver on the road at the time makes you. I know a few pilots, I fly on helicopters probably 20 times per year for work and their licensing requirements are strict as it gets. They don't just hand those licenses out like candy the way drivers licenses are handed out.

Pilots don't scare me (although I think it's unusual that most seem to be smokers) half as much as other drivers do because I don't see pilots do stupid stunts like I see drivers do all the time.

A pilot pulling a stupid stunt with a $2 Million aircraft is going to get his ass fired, lose his FAA license for life and never work in this town again. A driver with a $300 clunker driving drunk off his ass is going to do two days in jail and pay a fine, and get a suspended license that allows him "essential driving".

Flying is safer than driving because of the kinds of people who are allowed to be pilots vs. the kinds of people who are allowed to be drivers. If there's a day that goes by that I don't see an idiot on the road, it's only because a day went by that I didn't SEE a road.

[gosling2Lindy]

If you get sentenced to LIFE in prison you are SUPPOSED to die there. :wall:

Exactly!!!

[gdoane]

He's going to die in a few months, it IS revenge if you just want your pound of flesh...

And that is apparently what you want........

No, if I wanted revenge I'd want to kill him myself. Which I definitely would, I'd shoot the bastard right between the eyes with my Ruger Blackhawk .357 Magnum using Black Talon hollowpoints and what few brains he ever had would be blown clean out of the back of his head. If tasked to carry out the death penalty, I'd do it. I wouldn't enjoy it but I do a lot of things I don't enjoy. Paying taxes, for example.

Here's the rub. I'm not a lawless man, I believe in the rule of law and when the rule of law is weakened as it was here, I have concerns about the viability of the rule of law. An outlaw is released before he's ceased to be a danger to public safety after a court of law has deemed him to be a danger to public safety for so long as he's living.

Well... he's living and out of jail so what does that say about the courts commitment to public safety?

The Court is an arm of government and the FIRST DUTY of any government is to secure the safety and security of those governed. Public safety is job one.

And Scotland just set a man free who is a proven threat to public safety complete with a track record and terrorist ties. They failed their duty as a government. They're no better than the lawless man they cut loose.


I don't want revenge.

What I want is justice be served. What I want is for the law to be upheld.

[gdoane]

I agree with your stance on capital punishment KC, but I still believe releasing him was wrong. If Scotland wanted to show compassion and let him die surrounded by his family they should have allowed them to travel to Scotland. Al-Megrahi's debt to society would only have been paid if he died in prison.

You're kidding, right?

You'd put that pack of wolves on an airplane to Scotland? Talk about a flight you wouldn't want to be on!

Captain: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, we're flying with the friends and family of a convicted terrorist.
Passengers: EEEEEK!!!
Captain: We'll be flying over most of Europe and many landmark buildings with people who consider a terrorist their "loved one".
Passengers: EEEEEEEEEKKKK!!!!
Captain: Not to worry. We've turned on the "No Smoking" sign so suicide bombs can't be lit until we land.

[Clintville]

We've got a better reason to nuke Scotland than we had to nuke Japan IMHO.
You're funny.

You do know that a Nazi or two were let go because of bad health from Nuremberg, right? I guess everyone should get a nice nuking for that!:rolleyes:

[Clintville]

Germany should have been completely and utterly destroyed in WWI but no, we showed mercy and left Europeans to be stupid even though our own Declaration of Independence is a document declaring that European governments suck.

Actually, Germany shouldn't have been treated so bad after WWI, that is what helped Hitler rise to power and fuel his and Germany's thirst for revenge. The British and the French made the mistake of punishing and blaming a country for a war that it didn't start.

Of course, they also made the mistake of not enforcing their own treaty and let Germany take land and build up its military.

[Clintville]

Barack Obama has smoked marijuana. He's stupid as all Hell.
Smoking marijuana makes you a permanent retard?

[gdoane]

Smoking marijuana makes you a permanent retard?

Past behavior is a predictor of future performance.
A stupid choice made in the past predicts stupid decisions will be made in the future.

Is smoking marijuana a smart choice or a stupid choice? That's a yes/no question.

[Clintville]

Past behavior is a predictor of future performance.
A stupid choice made in the past predicts stupid decisions will be made in the future.

Is smoking marijuana a smart choice or a stupid choice? That's a yes/no question.
First off, no I don't think it works that way. A lot of people have smoked marijuana and are not complete morons.

As for marijuana, do you think that drinking alcohol is a stupid choice? Because it is much more dangerous and addicting than pot.

[gosling2Lindy]

You're funny.

You do know that a Nazi or two were let go because of bad health from Nuremberg, right? I guess everyone should get a nice nuking for that!:rolleyes:

If I remember correctly, one of them was a Bank Manager or Minister of Economics. Something like that.
The situation in the home country that person was released into would have had a very different picture. I doubt very much that he was flown home on the President's jet, or that he received a hero's welcome by thousands. The world by that time knew full well what an abomination the Nazi regiem was. We are also talking more than a half century in the past, in an era at the close of a war, dealing with war criminals. That in and of itself, makes a direct comparison tricky.

[gdoane]

First off, no I don't think it works that way. A lot of people have smoked marijuana and are not complete morons.

Everybody who has even touched marijuana is a complete moron. You know it's illegal, you know it's a weed capable of brain damage, so who but an idiot would use it?

As for marijuana, do you think that drinking alcohol is a stupid choice? Because it is much more dangerous and addicting than pot.

100 grams of 80-proof alcohol would be 40 grams of alcohol. A measured dose. Responsibility may be found in measurement. There is no measurement in THC content because stoner bastards care only about getting stoned and abusing the drug.

[gdoane]

You're funny.

You do know that a Nazi or two were let go because of bad health from Nuremberg, right? I guess everyone should get a nice nuking for that!:rolleyes:

Nuremberg is exactly why the United States summarily refuses to be party to the World Court. We've got better morality than those Euro-trash liberals promote.

[King Cantona]

I agree with your stance on capital punishment KC, but I still believe releasing him was wrong. If Scotland wanted to show compassion and let him die surrounded by his family they should have allowed them to travel to Scotland. Al-Megrahi's debt to society would only have been paid if he died in prison.

Well CHUG, at least you have come up with a sensible compromise...

I believe that it serves no useful purpose to keep him incarcerated, he's going to die in a few months anyway.......

[King Cantona]

Nuremberg is exactly why the United States summarily refuses to be party to the World Court. We've got better morality than those Euro-trash liberals promote.

We've got better morality? Pride comes before a fall and after reading your posts I wonder about your morality. There's no room for anything approaching compassion with you, you'd like to shoot Megrahi right between the eyes, smoking pot means you're totally brain dead...

And best of all, if you make a mistake, that's a good predictor of future behaviour so nobody EVER changes. Bloody 'ell, thank God I've never met you in everyday life...

[gdoane]

Well CHUG, at least you have come up with a sensible compromise...

I believe that it serves no useful purpose to keep him incarcerated, he's going to die in a few months anyway.......

That's your belief based upon an irrational trust of Doctors who can be easily bribed because they make about Jack Squat on the government single payer system.

Socialized medicine makes it easy to buy a Doctor under the table because they can't make a living under the government plan at all so they're willing to cut deals. Unethical? Yep? Reality? You betcha.

[gdoane]

We've got better morality? Pride comes before a fall and after reading your posts I wonder about your morality. There's no room for anything approaching compassion with you, you'd like to shoot Megrahi right between the eyes, smoking pot means your totally brain dead...

I often wonder about my morality myself. It's a good question to ask yourself with regularity, after all. Ask yourself "Am I A Good Guy Or Am I A Bad Guy?"

My compassion is with the innocent victims and yours is with the guilty perpetrator. So are you with the Good Guy or with the Bad Guy?

Morality is all about choosing sides. Do you choose good, or do you choose evil? I side with the victims, and you side with their slayer, and then you dare to question my morality?

I ask you, how can you choose to be on the side of good and support this evil? You called it "compassion" but is it really? I think it's stupidity. This terrorist would murder you in a heartbeat if given half a chance, and you're crazy if you give him that chance.

That's not compassion, that's suicide.

And best of all, if you make a mistake, that's a good predictor of future behaviour so nobody EVER changes. Bloody 'ell, thank God I've never met you in everyday life...

2 out of 3 people arrested and thrown in jail wind up getting tossed back in again within 2 years of their first incarceration. Recidivism proves the point.

As for meeting me, no problem. I'm a nice guy. I'll buy you a lunch at Cooperstown (Alice Cooper's restaurant) in downtown Phoenix if you ever grace Sky Harbor Airport (PHX). I'm just a bit opinionated on a few topics is all.

[LincolnCounty]

I want to encourage ALL Americans to BOYCOTT SCOTLAND. It's the one thing we can do and it will work. Change your travel plans. Pour your Scotch down the drain.

The Scots have joined in with the other European America-haters. We can fight back! Visit some of these blogs and let them know how America feels about what they did. Links provided:

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2008/08/top-40-scottish-blogs.html

See for yourself how they are justifying there cowardice. Notice the anti-American sentiment that runs like a thread through all these Scottish blogs. Leave a comment! It WILL make a difference!

[Clintville]

Everybody who has even touched marijuana is a complete moron. You know it's illegal, you know it's a weed capable of brain damage, so who but an idiot would use it?

A lot of people have tried it. It is hardly dangerous and shouldn't be illegal seeing as cigarettes and alcohol isn't. But that is another issue. Is George Bush a moron for trying it?

And everyone knows that alcohol does the same thing and much more dangerous than weed, so are people that drink it morons as well? (George Bush also abused alcohol as well)

[Drawz]

I want to encourage ALL Americans to BOYCOTT SCOTLAND. It's the one thing we can do and it will work. Change your travel plans. Pour your Scotch down the drain.


:))
Will it work as well as BillO's boycott of France?
:))
Yeah! Pour perfectly good booze that you've already paid for down the drain! That'll teach those skirt wearing bagpiper's a thing or two!
:))

[gdoane]

A lot of people have tried it.

I've never claimed that there was a shortage of morons.

Less than half of Americans have tried marijuana. Less than half of Americans are of below average intelligence to boot. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!

It is hardly dangerous and shouldn't be illegal seeing as cigarettes and alcohol isn't.

Cigarettes and alcohol aren't actually "legal". Tic-tacs are "legal". Give a tic-tac to a kid and you're contributing to fresh breath. Give alcohol or cigarettes to a kid and you're going to jail for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

But that is another issue. Is George Bush a moron for trying it?

George Bush is a moron on so many levels that the pot use barely scratches the surface of the fool who didn't veto jack squat.

And everyone knows that alcohol does the same thing and much more dangerous than weed, so are people that drink it morons as well? (George Bush also abused alcohol as well)

Alcohol can be used responsibly because the dose can be measured while the Demon Weed has no such mitigating factor. For example, if a liter of whiskey is 80-proof then there is 400 milliliters of alcohol in the bottle. The dosage can be measured and controlled, a key factor in responsible use.

In stark contrast, the Demon Weed has no measure of THC content but that doesn't matter to moron potheads because the worthless bastards are out to get wasted anyway. There's not even an ATTEMPT at responsible use.

[jimjames418]

Lockerbie release could topple SNP government (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6807289.ece)

Scotland’s government faces a fight for its survival as the furore over its decision to free the Lockerbie bomber escalated last night.

Opposition parties north of the Border are preparing to hold a confidence vote over the decision by Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish Justice Secretary, to free Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi. Alex Salmond, the First Minister, has confirmed that he would resign if the Holyrood vote went against him.
<snip>

Mr Brown has been criticised by David Cameron, the Conservative leader, for refusing to make any statement on al-Megrahi. The Prime Minister had discussed the possible release when he met Muammar Gadaffi, the Libyan leader, at a G8 summit in Italy last month.

Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, is also facing questions about his interests in al-Megrahi’s release after it emerged that he had met Saif Gaddafi, the son of the Libyan leader, twice in the past four months.

[Clintville]

Less than half of Americans have tried marijuana. Less than half of Americans are of below average intelligence to boot. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!

Yeah, it is a coincidence. There are a lot of smart people I know that have tried weed at least once. It didn't magically make them stupid as you think it does.


Cigarettes and alcohol aren't actually "legal". Tic-tacs are "legal". Give a tic-tac to a kid and you're contributing to fresh breath. Give alcohol or cigarettes to a kid and you're going to jail for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

No, they're legal. I don't know what the minors have to do with it. That looks like a fallacy but I really don't know what you were trying to do.

Alcohol can be used responsibly because the dose can be measured while the Demon Weed has no such mitigating factor. For example, if a liter of whiskey is 80-proof then there is 400 milliliters of alcohol in the bottle. The dosage can be measured and controlled, a key factor in responsible use.

So then people who get drunk are irreversibly morons? And what about cigarettes?

[King Cantona]

My compassion is with the innocent victims and yours is with the guilty perpetrator. So are you with the Good Guy or with the Bad Guy?

Morality is all about choosing sides. Do you choose good, or do you choose evil? I side with the victims, and you side with their slayer, and then you dare to question my morality?

Questioning your morality is remarkably easy having read your posts, morality is NOT about choosing sides, morality is about doing the right thing and I am on the side of many relatives of the British dead....

I am not convinced that he's guilty, don't you dare to say I side with the victims' slayer, compassion is much more complicated than that. I agree with a dying man spending his remaining days with people who love him...

He'll be dead in a few months, let it go...

[gdoane]

Questioning your morality is remarkably easy having read your posts, morality is NOT about choosing sides, morality is about doing the right thing and I am on the side of many relatives of the British dead....

The relatives have no say in this, as they're not the victims. Only the dead have any say and they say KILL HIM.


I am not convinced that he's guilty, don't you dare to say I side with the victims' slayer, compassion is much more complicated than that. I agree with a dying man spending his remaining days with people who love him...

It doesn't matter what you're convinced of, all that matters is what a jury was convinced of and the jury says this villain did the crime.

He'll be dead in a few months, let it go...

No, he won't be. He's lying about having prostate cancer. The monster probably never even had a prostate. He's not that human.

[gdoane]

Yeah, it is a coincidence. There are a lot of smart people I know that have tried weed at least once. It didn't magically make them stupid as you think it does.

This is a case of the egg came before the chicken. The pot smoking is a symptom of stupid, not a cause of it.


No, they're legal. I don't know what the minors have to do with it. That looks like a fallacy but I really don't know what you were trying to do.

They're not legal to sell from 2AM to 6AM or until 10AM on Sunday.

So then people who get drunk are irreversibly morons? And what about cigarettes?

Think about where you find large groups of drunks and smokers and then tell me how smart you think that trailer trash gang must really be.

[SteveG]

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It doesn't matter what you're convinced of, all that matters is what a jury was convinced of and the jury says this villain did the crime.

The terrorist deserved to die in jail. Letting him out to go and receive a hero's welcome in Libya was a slap in the face to the free world.

[King Cantona]

The relatives have no say in this, as they're not the victims. Only the dead have any say and they say KILL HIM.

No, it is YOU who say kill him and by the way, claiming some devine ability to KNOW what the victims think only reinforces my opinion that you're DEFINITELY not a full shilling...

It doesn't matter what you're convinced of, all that matters is what a jury was convinced of and the jury says this villain did the crime.

Actually unlike you I am happy to admit that I don't know. I remain to be convinced of his guilt but I take the side of the relatives of the British dead and am glad he's been released...

No, he won't be. He's lying about having prostate cancer. The monster probably never even had a prostate. He's not that human.

I would like to vote for gdoane if ever there is an election to be President of the world, he obviously knows more than anyone including the doctors who examined Megrahi...

[MrShotShot]

Questioning your morality is remarkably easy having read your posts, morality is NOT about choosing sides, morality is about doing the right thing and I am on the side of many relatives of the British dead....

I am not convinced that he's guilty, don't you dare to say I side with the victims' slayer, compassion is much more complicated than that. I agree with a dying man spending his remaining days with people who love him...

He'll be dead in a few months, let it go...

I'll be sure to share your post about compassion with the twenty plus families of the victims who I meet with on an annual basis.

After all, they died two decades ago, let it go.....

[King Cantona]

I'll be sure to share your post about compassion with the twenty plus families of the victims who I meet with on an annual basis.

After all, they died two decades ago, let it go.....

I would be more than happy to let it go but too many on this site are not happy to let it go....

They range from the sensible posts voicing their disapproval to strange people who can speak with the victims....

[jimjames418]

I guess Britain will not be having a trade agreement with Libya. Too damn bad. And the government of Scotland may be turned out over the release.

Britain scraps trip by Prince Andrew to Libya (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gQ81EuxAZJs-DM5Dyu2dwV0lTUpAD9A9BF0O0)
EDINBURGH, Scotland — Britain has scrapped a visit to Libya by Prince Andrew amid controversy over the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I'm sorry Mysty, I am of a completely different opinion to you, I have always been against the death penalty and that won't ever change (for me).....

You don't have to apologize King; your allowed your opinion just as any of us are. ;) The death penalty...within my scope and understanding for it's uses...is a fairly common understanding at best. Those who are willing to kill rampantly..especially 270 innocent victims...certainly fits the bill for me. This man wasn't defending himself against an attacker...he attacked innocent victims to make a political point. Makes him a monster of great proportions in my opinion. Monsters should know once caught, were gonna put them down like rabid dogs. That's the most compassion I can muster for said monster.

The Americans are claiming that Migrahi did not show compassion to his victims and therefore compassion should not be granted to him, but two wrongs do not make a right. If a society/state/legal system is unable to show compassion to someone in the face of death, then what does that say about us?

Hmmmm...I'm sure many American's are expressing their opinions on Migrahi and his victims. I'm sure a logical argument is exactly as you posted...he showed no compassion so why should we? I take a bit longer view on his actions. He murdered 270 people...period. That in of itself makes him a monster...and monsters should be put down. That's common sense...that's they way our laws should be crafted to protect our populace. BTW: Showing someone compassion can't be legislated for an entire populace. The uproar the puppet government in Scotland is now receiving is for doing exactly that. Whatever happened to common sense and majority rule? Guess it was inconvenient at the time of their decisions? This whole scenario doesn't add up for me...there's more to the reason's 'why' they released him now..cancer or not. but hey..that's just me.

The man's going to be dead in a few months, the only reason for denying him the opportunity to die surrounded by his family is revenge....

I don't know about you but I like to think I'm above that.......

You don't know he will be dead in a few months...no one knows when he will die. Medical doctors gave him from months (3-9 months) to possibly longer. Depends on how his body deals with the next round of treatment. "They don't know" is the bottom line in that.

As far as his family being around him...THEY lived in Scotland..saw him all the damn time! They have been with him these last years...so what's the difference then? Hell, it's more then I would have given them! He was sentenced for a heinous crime...his life. Until said life is over...he is still serving his sentence..or should be serving his sentence. Instead of releasing him on compassionate grounds..why not release him by proving he is not guilty? Gee..what a thought huh? Now that would be justice. Compassion is simply not even considered when looking at straight down the line law, repercussions for your actions and a society that depends on it's judicial entities to carry out justice.

We've heard the Twinkie made me do it defense...the I saved my children by killing them defense...The 'dog told me to do it' defense....but we've yet to hear this guy's defense. Hmmmm...cancer...the cancer defense. I've got cancer so I don't have to follow the rules anymore? I get a free pass...a golden ticket due to the fact I have cancer! Really? Wow...well hot damn and Yippee! That is, if that's all it takes...this is gonna make one hell of a precedent don't ya think?

I'm not above being human...I'm not above being moral...I am fully capable of showing compassion to those who are deserving of compassion. Criminals don't need my compassion...they need to be made to follow the law..and the repurcussions of those laws if broken. period....

~Mysty

[MrShotShot]

I would be more than happy to let it go but too many on this site are not happy to let it go....

They range from the sensible posts voicing their disapproval to strange people who can speak with the victims....

I'm assuming you're not talking about me. I did not say I can speak with the victims.

But I do speak to the victims families on a regular basis and I walk by 30+ victim's photos on a daily basis.

[King Cantona]

I'm assuming you're not talking about me. I did not say I can speak with the victims.

But I do speak to the victims families on a regular basis and I walk by 30+ victim's photos on a daily basis.

No, I meant gdoane, he said that the victims wanted Megrahi killed. Now unless they said that before they boarded the plane, how can he know that?....

I'm not siding with terrorists, of course not, I despise terrorists but many of the victims' families in this country are not comfortable with his conviction and I agree with his release, he's going to be dead in a few months anyway.....

[NCRedState]

he's going to be dead in a few months

Then that is when his life sentence would be served, not before.

By the way 180 of the souls from that flight were sent home to the U.S. in boxes....

[Clintville]

The relatives have no say in this, as they're not the victims. Only the dead have any say and they say KILL HIM.

That doesn't even make sense.


No, he won't be. He's lying about having prostate cancer. The monster probably never even had a prostate. He's not that human.
How could someone lie about having cancer? They have doctors in Scotland you know.

[Clintville]

They're not legal to sell from 2AM to 6AM or until 10AM on Sunday.

Everywhere? Regardless, they are still legal.


Think about where you find large groups of drunks and smokers and then tell me how smart you think that trailer trash gang must really be.
It isn't just trailer trash that get drunk and smoke cigarettes.

[gosling2Lindy]

This murderer spent 11 days in jail per victim. If he was a serial killer, and killed one of 270 victims every 11 days, once caught and convicted there would be no chance of his ever being released.

There should be no lessening of the importance of the 270 he was convicted of killing, just because they died together. He should have had a life sentence for each one.

I also cannot find where he ever expressed any remorse.

Releasing him is the equivalent of spitting on those graves, and in the faces of the families of the victims.

[King Cantona]

I also cannot find where he ever expressed any remorse.

He's never expressed remorse because he still asserts his innocence......

[Clintville]

This murderer spent 11 days in jail per victim. If he was a serial killer, and killed one of 270 victims every 11 days, once caught and convicted there would be no chance of his ever being released.

There should be no lessening of the importance of the 270 he was convicted of killing, just because they died together. He should have had a life sentence for each one.

I also cannot find where he ever expressed any remorse.

Releasing him is the equivalent of spitting on those graves, and in the faces of the families of the victims.

He's being released because he is going to be dead in three months.

[jimjames418]

He's being released because he is going to be dead in three months.
Says who? The doctors said six to nine months, but with treatment he could live another 15 years or so. :twisted:

[gosling2Lindy]

He's never expressed remorse because he still asserts his innocence......

Yes, I have found that in several articles I"ve read.

[DLaw911]

I don't even remotely believe that Megrahi is even sick. He's so well connected that he gets a ride home on a Presidential Private Jet. Michael Jackson bought off a doctor with less money than this guy's plane ticket.
Then we should just send in the CIA to ba da bing ba da boom him.
The Girl Scouts would do a more competent job than the CIA. The CIA is a cold war joke gone bad.

When the 9-11 attacks were to be punished harshly, we froze the assets of the Taliban. That wasn't the CIA, it was the I.R.S. doing the most damage.Thanks, Gene, I needed that before going to bed. Take care!

[jimjames418]

He's never expressed remorse because he still asserts his innocence......
Heck, going by that every person in prision should be let out, they are all innocent, according to them and their family. :rolleyes:

[Clintville]

Says who? The doctors said six to nine months, but with treatment he could live another 15 years or so. :twisted:
The doctors did. How do you know he will be able to live another 15 years? He has terminal cancer.

[jimjames418]

The doctors did. How do you know he will be able to live another 15 years? He has terminal cancer.
Prostate cancer, which is what he has, is diagnosed in an estimated 80% of men. In most cases it is a slow growing cancer and only needs treatment in about 10% of those disgnosed. Treatments are usually very effective and the man lives out a normal life span. That is according to what my doctor tells me.

[Clintville]

Prostate cancer, which is what he has, is diagnosed in an estimated 80% of men. In most cases it is a slow growing cancer and only needs treatment in about 10% of those disgnosed. Treatments are usually very effective and the man lives out a normal life span. That is according to what my doctor tells me.
Uh, but he has terminal prostate cancer. The doctors said that he is going to die.

[gdoane]

Uh, but he has terminal prostate cancer. The doctors said that he is going to die.

With enough money, Doctors can be bribed to say anything. If the Michael Jackson overdose doesn't prove that Doctors can be bought then nothing will.

No decent doctor would be treating a terrorist anyway so his Doctors must be pretty evil guys themselves. If they'll help a terrorist then they'll certainly lie for a terrorist.

[Hereintheusa]

With enough money, Doctors can be bribed to say anything. If the Michael Jackson overdose doesn't prove that Doctors can be bought then nothing will.

No decent doctor would be treating a terrorist anyway so his Doctors must be pretty evil guys themselves. If they'll help a terrorist then they'll certainly lie for a terrorist.

Stupid comment about decent doctors would not treat a terrorist. I would think it is more likely that a bad doctor would refuse to treat a terrorist.

[Clintville]

With enough money, Doctors can be bribed to say anything. If the Michael Jackson overdose doesn't prove that Doctors can be bought then nothing will.

No decent doctor would be treating a terrorist anyway so his Doctors must be pretty evil guys themselves. If they'll help a terrorist then they'll certainly lie for a terrorist.
Aren't the doctors British? Where did you find they were his personal doctors?

[King Cantona]

With enough money, Doctors can be bribed to say anything. If the Michael Jackson overdose doesn't prove that Doctors can be bought then nothing will.

I was unaware that 1) he was rich and 2) that he had access (as a prisoner) to rich doctors......

I'm just guessing but I always thought it highly likely that there were doctors supplied by the government involved...

Just a guess......:rolleyes:.......

[King Cantona]

Aren't the doctors British? Where did you find they were his personal doctors?

I guess he plucked it out of the air........

I think that's a cast iron certainty for gdoane......

[NCRedState]

I was unaware that 1) he was rich and 2) that he had access (as a prisoner) to rich doctors......

I'm just guessing but I always thought it highly likely that there were doctors supplied by the government involved...

Just a guess......:rolleyes:.......

Did you not notice the private luxury jet that picked him up? :rolleyes:

[NCRedState]

He's being released because he is going to be dead in three months.

Funny, that is the same thing Ted Kennedy's doctors said,.... in March..... of 2008. :rolleyes:

[CHUG]

Did you not notice the private luxury jet that picked him up? :rolleyes:

It was Gaddafi's own, after all Al Megrahi is a relative.

[gdoane]

Aren't the doctors British? Where did you find they were his personal doctors?

Libya orchestrated the whole thing. Khadafi himself sent a personal jet for the guy. You don't think thst was the only favor Libya did for their national hero?

[CHUG]

Libya orchestrated the whole thing. Khadafi himself sent a personal jet for the guy. You don't think thst was the only favor Libya did for their national hero?

A Libyan doctor wouldn't be licensed to practise medicine in the UK. As far as I can find out the consultant oncologist treating Al Megrahi is this chap; http://www.karolsikora.com/

[King Cantona]

Did you not notice the private luxury jet that picked him up? :rolleyes:

That was his own private jet?.....

Wow he's obviously very rich......:rolleyes:......

[gdoane]

A Libyan doctor wouldn't be licensed to practise medicine in the UK. As far as I can find out the consultant oncologist treating Al Megrahi is this chap; http://www.karolsikora.com/

Yep, and his website says he has ties to Africa. How's your geography? Can you name the continent Libya is on?

Everything about this stinks to high heaven.

[mgifford]

This story is enough to deflect us from the things that Obama is doing. So it's good for the left.

[mgifford]

Yep, and his website says he has ties to Africa. How's your geography? Can you name the continent Libya is on?

Everything about this stinks to high heaven.

Snicker! The left is the left and that's it.

[CHUG]

Yep, and his website says he has ties to Africa. How's your geography? Can you name the continent Libya is on?

Everything about this stinks to high heaven.

Indeed it does;

He currently directs a cancer drug donation programme in Africa.

According to the same website it says he has ties to the USA as well.

[King Cantona]

This story is enough to deflect us from the things that Obama is doing. So it's good for the left.

????????????

I pride myself on understanding most things, even the nonensical ramblings of some people but this one has me flummoxed...

[DLaw911]

Uh, but he has terminal prostate cancer. The doctors said that he is going to die.I guess we'll just have to turn on the stopwatches.

[gdoane]

Indeed it does;



According to the same website it says he has ties to the USA as well.

So did Osama bin Laden. It doesn't make the guy a friend of freedom.

This Doctor is an accessory to terrorism after the fact.

Being British, you may not be familiar with the story behind the American saying "your name is Mudd".

Dr. Mudd treated an assassin, namely John Wilkes Booth after Mr. Booth broke his ankle while escaping an assassination of then-president Abraham Lincoln. For his vile act, Dr. Samuel Mudd was sentenced to life in federal prison. Only one vote spared him from the death penalty he'd nearly earned for his misdirected kindness.

Are we more or less civilized today when we allow Doctors to help evil men escape justice? We didn't allow it back then and we shouldn't allow it now. This Dr. Mudd belongs in prison for all the same reasons.

[King Cantona]

So did Osama bin Laden. It doesn't make the guy a friend of freedom.

This Doctor is an accessory to terrorism after the fact.

Being British, you may not be familiar with the story behind the American saying "your name is Mudd".

Dr. Mudd treated an assassin, namely John Wilkes Booth after Mr. Booth broke his ankle while escaping an assassination of then-president Abraham Lincoln. For his vile act, Dr. Samuel Mudd was sentenced to life in federal prison. Only one vote spared him from the death penalty he'd nearly earned for his misdirected kindness.

Are we more or less civilized today when we allow Doctors to help evil men escape justice? We didn't allow it back then and we shouldn't allow it now. This Dr. Mudd belongs in prison for all the same reasons.

Did Dr Mudd know that John Wilkes Booth had just killed the President?....

[gdoane]

Did Dr Mudd know that John Wilkes Booth had just killed the President?....

That is actually a matter never settled. Dr. Mudd was a slave owner and a vocal opponent of Lincoln emancipating his slaves. He had motive and more than medical assistance, Dr. Mudd assisted Mr. Booth in the purchase of a horse. Above and beyond the call of duty, you might say.

Sort of like the Doctor here, whom more than simpky treating the illness, is instrumental in actively securing the freedom of his villain patient. The parallels are uncanny.

[King Cantona]

That is actually a matter never settled. Dr. Mudd was a slave owner and a vocal opponent of Lincoln emancipating his slaves. He had motive and more than medical assistance, Dr. Mudd assisted Mr. Booth in the purchase of a horse. Above and beyond the call of duty, you might say.

Sort of like the Doctor here, whom more than simpky treating the illness, is instrumental in actively securing the freedom of his villain patient. The parallels are uncanny.

There are no parallels at all.........

[CHUG]

So did Osama bin Laden. It doesn't make the guy a friend of freedom.

This Doctor is an accessory to terrorism after the fact.

Being British, you may not be familiar with the story behind the American saying "your name is Mudd".

Dr. Mudd treated an assassin, namely John Wilkes Booth after Mr. Booth broke his ankle while escaping an assassination of then-president Abraham Lincoln. For his vile act, Dr. Samuel Mudd was sentenced to life in federal prison. Only one vote spared him from the death penalty he'd nearly earned for his misdirected kindness.

Are we more or less civilized today when we allow Doctors to help evil men escape justice? We didn't allow it back then and we shouldn't allow it now. This Dr. Mudd belongs in prison for all the same reasons.

I am familiar with the saying, but not the history of it. It appears that Dr Mudd wasn't prosecuted for treating Booth but because he did not inform the authorities at the earliest opportunity, therby giving Booth and his accomplice a chance to escape.

Dr Sikora would simply have given his prognosis of Al-Megrahi's survival, his release was down to the Scottish justice minister.

[CHUG]

There are no parallels at all.........

Nope, I can't see any either.

[gdoane]

I am familiar with the saying, but not the history of it. It appears that Dr Mudd wasn't prosecuted for treating Booth but because he did not inform the authorities at the earliest opportunity, therby giving Booth and his accomplice a chance to escape.

Dr Sikora would simply have given his prognosis of Al-Megrahi's survival, his release was down to the Scottish justice minister.

He misled authorities to secure the escape of a killer. Same crime, different time. The Doctor should be prosecuted.

[CHUG]

He misled authorities to secure the escape of a killer. Same crime, different time. The Doctor should be prosecuted.

How has Dr Sikora misled the authorities?

[King Cantona]

He misled authorities to secure the escape of a killer. Same crime, different time. The Doctor should be prosecuted.

The trouble is that I'm not following this event closely enough (probably because it's a done deal and Megrahi will be dead soon enough) for example I didn't even know that Megrahi's doctor misled anyone....

I seem to have the average knowledge of current events that the average Fox News viewer has....

BTW I mean the ones who get their news EXCLUSIVELY from that source and not people who watch it from time to time......

[gdoane]

How has Dr Sikora misled the authorities?

He said the guy would be dead in 3 months last September. I saw the Justice Minister testify to that. Obviously, last September isn't three months by a long shot.

[King Cantona]

He said the guy would be dead in 3 months last September. I saw the Justice Minister testify to that. Obviously, last September isn't three months by a long shot.

Oh I see, a doctor has to know to the DAY when someone will die......:rolleyes:.......

[gdoane]

Oh I see, a doctor has to know to the DAY when someone will die......:rolleyes:.......

Hey, I'm terminal too! I'm 45 years old, I could drop dead in 40 years flat! Show me some compassion already!

[King Cantona]

Hey, I'm terminal too! I'm 45 years old, I could drop dead in 40 years flat! Show me some compassion already!

I'm guessing you don't know even to the year when your demise will be....

My parents are still alive in their mid 80s so hopefully I will have a long life.......

But then again, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so I bow to your apparent knowledge that you'll live a long and happy life...

[Clintville]

Are we more or less civilized today when we allow Doctors to help evil men escape justice? We didn't allow it back then and we shouldn't allow it now. This Dr. Mudd belongs in prison for all the same reasons.
He should be killed for doing his job? One, he was treating a guy in prison, he wasn't aiding the terrorist in escaping or killing anyone. Second, the guy has terminal cancer, some help.

[foxgurrrl]

Only in bizarro world are murderers released on grounds of compassion.

[gosling2Lindy]

I guess we'll just have to turn on the stopwatches.

Make sure there are really good batteries in them. From information posted in this thread by another individual, the "has 3 months to live" diagnosis was made....11 months ago.

A diagnosis of life expectancy for terminal illness is an estimate at best. The bomber has already way outlived his expectancy, and could continue to do so. Or, he could die in 2 hours, or 2 days ect......

Sadly, those stopwatches could be running for a while.

[DLaw911]

Only in bizarro world are murderers released on grounds of compassion.I'm not familiar with the law in Scotland but "life" in prison might mean "with the possibility of parole." Maybe you have more information than I on the particular sentence in this case.

[gdoane]

I'm guessing you don't know even to the year when your demise will be....

It doesn't really matter in mortality, does it? I can tell you with 100% certainty that I, Gene Doane, will die. You have no basis or reason to deny this medical prediction, do you? If I'm going to live forever, then by all means, give me the happy news!

My parents are still alive in their mid 80s so hopefully I will have a long life.......

I wish the same good tidings upon you, however if fate frowns a bit then why would that excuse you from any debts at all?

But then again, I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so I bow to your apparent knowledge that you'll live a long and happy life...

On the contrary, I carry about $500,000 in life insurance so my Mother can bury me and handle my affairs. If I had a wife and kids that figure would be over $5 Million to fill the gap I'd leave behind should I die.

[The Bos'un]

There appears to be some question if he is even sick at all. It will be curious how this pans out. I have been wondering if the West was naively scammed... THE crucial medical advice that concluded the Lockerbie bomber had less than three months to live was given by a prison doctor and not a cancer specialist, The Scotsman can reveal. http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Ordinary-prison-GP--not.5592149.jp

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

There appears to be some question if he is even sick at all. It will be curious how this pans out. I have been wondering if the West was naively scammed... http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Ordinary-prison-GP--not.5592149.jp

No..I don't believe anyone within the power structure of the USA, UK or puppet government of the Scotts was 'scammed' per-say. I believe the populations of those countries/nations have been scammed...and by those in power. The bigger question should be 'why'? Why go to all this trouble? Why release a man who murdered 270 people to return to a quasi terrorist state with a mad man at the helm of said country? Why release such a statement and expect the populace to swallow it without complaint?

Someone made one hell of huge mistake in thinking no one would notice the release of this mad man...someone made on hell of a huge mistake of said mad man doesn't drop dead in less then 3 months time. If I were Al-Migarhi...I'd grow eyes' in the back of my damn head!

~Mysty

[The Bos'un]

What if he really does not have cancer? Read the article from The Scotsman. Think about it. Maybe he has or maybe he does not have it.

Of course it is all speculation. That thought has been nagging me since I heard about it. The medical report stated that the "less than three months to live" prognosis was: "In the opinion of Megrahi's (the name or title of the individual was then blanked out] … who has dealt with him prior to, during and following the diagnosis."

There was also a suggestion that Megrahi might not be as ill as had been claimed. The report said: "Clinicians who have assessed Mr Megrahi have commented on his relative lack of symptoms when considering the severity and stage of underlying disease."

And suggestions that the doctor who gave the prognosis may have been employed by the Libyan government emerged in the report's notes. It said that a professor from Libya had been involved in Megrahi's care and the medical officer who wrote the report had been "working with clinicians from Libya over the past ten months".


I think it was a mistake to release the dirtbag. I suppose that we should also release Charles Manson, too.

[The Bos'un]

I wonder if the dirtbag will be allowed in paradise and be given 72 virgins to play with?

[The Bos'un]

Medical advice on Libyan bomber 'in doubt' (http://forums.hannity.com/lockerbie/Medical-advice--on-Libyan.5587119.jp)

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Medical advice on Libyan bomber 'in doubt' (http://forums.hannity.com/lockerbie/Medical-advice--on-Libyan.5587119.jp)

URL not working Bos....shows a message of "URL/Page not found"

Try again?

~Mysty

[gdoane]

I wonder if the dirtbag will be allowed in paradise and be given 72 virgins to play with?


More likely he'll be sent to Hell and condemned to BE one of the 72 virgins.

[The Bos'un]

Oops, http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Medical-advice--on-Libyan.5587119.jp

[The Bos'un]

MacAskill came under fire from Labour yesterday for taking a four-day break. Scottish Labour justice spokesman Paul Martin said: "Kenny MacAskill's decision to disappear on holiday when there are still vital questions to be answered about Megrahi's release is a snub to families of the Lockerbie victims. He is running away from his responsibilities."http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/lockerbie/Come-clean-on-seven-UKLibya.5596749.jp

And the in other news, courtesy of Fox:
'Obvious' Deal (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543979,00.html)

(http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543979,00.html)


http://ts3.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=1217296269786&id=042a445aeeaa1079abc27d0a9c8e1b20&url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.foxnews.com%2fimages%2f554695 %2f2_67_Brown_Qaddafi.jpg

Qaddafi's son says it's no secret Libya linked Lockerbie bomber's release to lucrative oil contracts

[DLaw911]

More likely he'll be sent to Hell and condemned to BE one of the 72 virgins.I'm just checking. Is he a virgin yet?

[The Bos'un]

Maybe he did not do anything and was wrongly convicted? from Australian news:
Lockerbie bomber backs call for inquiry (http://forums.hannity.com/story/0,27574,26000410-23109,00.html)

THE man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people said he would co-operate with a fresh public inquiry and provide documents he has.