Is Obama a Lame Duck?

[darknessesedge]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/stiletto-obama-lame-duck/

remember when hillarycare failed and then the GOP took over the congress back in 94?
clinton was forced to lead from the middle.

obama has no victories..no major victories at all so far, and the dems are running scared for their jobs.

the stimulus is a disaster....all it did was bring the debt to over 12+ trill...
we are broke.

[George Walton]

He will be after the mid term elections next year.
.

[spinach]

lame duck?

nah, he's a mangy greasy silly goose

[See It Clearly]

duck was not the adjective I would've used

[darknessesedge]

duck was not the adjective I would've used

hahahaha

[Wild Bill03]

Pretty sorry when you have a majority in both houses and you still are a lame duck.

Reconciliation may be the only way for him to get his healthcare malfunction to pass, but it will cost the Dems control of the Congress, Senate and Oval Office for at least a generation to come.

[Tulsa]

Is barry a lame duck, with those ears, hardly. He's defiantly in dumbo territory.

[penner01]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/stiletto-obama-lame-duck/

remember when hillarycare failed and then the GOP took over the congress back in 94?
clinton was forced to lead from the middle.

obama has no victories..no major victories at all so far, and the dems are running scared for their jobs.

the stimulus is a disaster....all it did was bring the debt to over 12+ trill...
we are broke. He may be and there is a good chance he doesn't care. Obama has an agenda to send America down a different path. He will count success as setting that monster in motion knowing full well that once the numbers of those who benefit from the government "doing for them" swell, this will be one damn tough boat to turn around. Obama's presidency is about repartations. If he can't have a second term, so be it.

[Vaard]

how can a dictator, tyrant, messiah, antichrist and Dear Leader be a lame duck?


wont he just declare mashal law, suspend congress and rule the world?

[Jagergeist]

how can a dictator, tyrant, messiah, antichrist and Dear Leader be a lame duck?


wont he just declare mashal law, suspend congress and rule the world?

:))

No kidding. Either the most evil, corrupt, violent prone antichrist to ever sit in the White House or an inept leader with no power to do anything on his agenda. I love how the target so effortlessly swings from one end of the spectrum to the other.

[freddyboy]

:))

No kidding. Either the most evil, corrupt, violent prone antichrist to ever sit in the White House or an inept leader with no power to do anything on his agenda. I love how the target so effortlessly swings from one end of the spectrum to the other.

Yeah, it kinda reminds me what you guys said of Bush. . . idiot, stupid, inept. But somehow lied, and fooled all of congress and the UN.

Pot meet kettle.

[JimGP20]

Is Obama a Lame Duck?



No...... more of a funky chicken. :cool:

[Augustine]

Obama is lame. I'll give him that!

[GregMartin]

He's a lame something that sounds like duck

[Jagergeist]

Yeah, it kinda reminds me what you guys said of Bush. . . idiot, stupid, inept. But somehow lied, and fooled all of congress and the UN.

Pot meet kettle.

I am an independent and don't fit into the "you guys."

Bush was not stupid, idiotic or inept. I personally though he had a solid intelligence level. My beef with Bush was him opening the federal wallet to greedy GOPers in exchange for them voting for war. That and gluing the rose colored glasses on, deluding himself into thinking Iraqis would embrace us as victors and the war could be done on the cheap, with no national sacrifice called for.

Obama should actually learn from Bush. He is making some of the same mistakes, allowing Congressional critters to control the actions and using the glasses to think health care will be cheap and a great success.

[Joseph Robidoux III]

Obama will not be a lame duck unless he pulls a "Matt Blunt". Blunt (son of Congressman Roy Blunt) was the Republican Governor of Missouri from 2005-2009. In 2008 he announced he would not be running for a second term because he had accomplished everything he wanted to during his first term. He assured us that despite the Republican controlled legislature still having a dozen plus bills being debated and his approval numbers being in the toilet, those things had nothing to do with his decision not to seek re-election.

[ddye]

:))

No kidding. Either the most evil, corrupt, violent prone antichrist to ever sit in the White House or an inept leader with no power to do anything on his agenda. I love how the target so effortlessly swings from one end of the spectrum to the other.
This.

That's why they call this an "echo chamber", you have the entire spectrum from pretty far right to really far right talking, and all anyone ever hears is the far right viewpoint.

Obama's not a lame duck, unless you live in an echo chamber.

Doug

[RedStatePaPa]

more like a blame duck.

[RedStatePaPa]

Basically he is an incompetent puppet that has benefited from an adoring media and a well-oiled campaign.

He's just doing what he's told. And that is to sell the lib agenda.

[dad49er]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/stiletto-obama-lame-duck/

remember when hillarycare failed and then the GOP took over the congress back in 94?
clinton was forced to lead from the middle.

obama has no victories..no major victories at all so far, and the dems are running scared for their jobs.

the stimulus is a disaster....all it did was bring the debt to over 12+ trill...
we are broke.

I remember Clinton getting reelected.

[Mike88]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/stiletto-obama-lame-duck/

remember when hillarycare failed and then the GOP took over the congress back in 94?
clinton was forced to lead from the middle.

obama has no victories..no major victories at all so far, and the dems are running scared for their jobs.

the stimulus is a disaster....all it did was bring the debt to over 12+ trill...
we are broke.

He will be a lame duck in 2010 when a lot of libs get thrown out of congress on their collective asses. He is a one termer almost certainly.

[Cutiepie]

I remember Clinton getting reelected.




only b/c of the dot.com bubble that he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with. Plus, he also lost the House and the Senate. I see GObama! the idiot has a one termer and I also say that the dems will lose the House and the Senate in 2010.

[darknessesedge]

I remember Clinton getting reelected.

yes he did, by moving back to center after they gave u pon hillarycare.
Newt made him move..good thing to, or we would have never gotten a bal budget.

[mboncher]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/stiletto-obama-lame-duck/

remember when hillarycare failed and then the GOP took over the congress back in 94?
clinton was forced to lead from the middle.

obama has no victories..no major victories at all so far, and the dems are running scared for their jobs.

the stimulus is a disaster....all it did was bring the debt to over 12+ trill...
we are broke.
If there's a God in heaven, he will be.

[Mike88]

yes he did, by moving back to center after they gave u pon hillarycare.
Newt made him move..good thing to, or we would have never gotten a bal budget.

That won't happen with Obama. He has been groomed to be a far left marxist since he was born. He is incapable of moving to the center. That would be like Robocop violating his 4th directive by trying to arrest an officer of OCP. His brain would fry.

[mboncher]

how can a dictator, tyrant, messiah, antichrist and Dear Leader be a lame duck?


wont he just declare mashal law, suspend congress and rule the world?
Still an option on the table. We'll see after the first Tuesday in November 2012, won't we?

[Joseph Robidoux III]

Still an option on the table. We'll see after the first Tuesday in November 2012, won't we?


You've got to be a Chicago Cub fan.

[darknessesedge]

Still an option on the table. We'll see after the first Tuesday in November 2012, won't we?

we see a repeat of 1994.

boehner will prob be the new speaker.

[dad49er]

only b/c of the dot.com bubble that he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with. Plus, he also lost the House and the Senate. I see GObama! the idiot has a one termer and I also say that the dems will lose the House and the Senate in 2010.

Republicans will gain seats in the house, but nowhere close to a majority.
Democrats will gain seats in the Senate.
Obama will win reelection easily in 2012.

Bookmark it.
Please.

[dad49er]

Remember "McCain will beat Obama like a step mule", and similar posts?

[darknessesedge]

Republicans will gain seats in the house, but nowhere close to a majority.
Democrats will gain seats in the Senate.
Obama will win reelection easily in 2012.

Bookmark it.
Please.

if the economy is still in the tank in 2010...the gop takes back the house...if they have offer another Contract w America.

the gop will pick up senate seats...to many dems on the ropes..

to early for 2012, as we dont know who will run on the gop side, or if the dnc wants obama/biden again.

[dad49er]

if the economy is still in the tank in 2010...the gop takes back the house...if they have offer another Contract w America.

the gop will pick up senate seats...to many dems on the ropes..

to early for 2012, as we dont know who will run on the gop side, or if the dnc wants obama/biden again.

Actually there are more vulnerable or open seats currently being held by Republicans. Due to resignations, etc. That is the basis of my prediction along with demographic changes.
The hope that the economy will still be in the tank in 2010 is the GOP's best chance. Even minimal to moderate improvement will make things very difficult for Republicans.

[Joseph Robidoux III]

we see a repeat of 1994.

boehner will prob be the new speaker.

The 1994 election was heavily influenced by:
1) Massive voluntary retirements (both parties) fueled when campaign laws no longer allowed representatives to convert campaign funds to private funds.
2) The "Contract with America" was a very well played out campaign tool (parts of which were abandoned as soon as the election was over).
3) Newt is an eloquent speaker.

Fast forward to today:
1) There is no change in campaign laws spurring massive voluntary retirements.
2) The Republicans don't have a message other than "we hope they fail".
3) The Republicans don't have an eloquent speaker in the forefront who can inspire/motovate the political middle. If they do discover one (there are some), they will select someone else as their spokesperson.

[youngvoter80]

You people are writing off a President after 7 months in office? Regardless of your views on him, that is a little short-sighted no matter the outcome of the mid term elections.

[mboncher]

You've got to be a Chicago Cub fan.
I hate baseblah.

Last time I cared a whit about it was when the Brewers went to the World Series in 1982. I'll probably care again when they make it back... IF they make it back.

[mboncher]

You people are writing off a President after 7 months in office? Regardless of your views on him, that is a little short-sighted no matter the outcome of the mid term elections.
We were given a masters class in this from the libs who wrote off W after 7 days in 2000.

[DDawg]

I remember Clinton getting reelected.

Yeah, Because the GOP was even dumber and insured his 2nd term by putting DOLE up against him ... The Rupublicans got lucky to have Bush ONLY BECAUSE of the democrats blowing it and going with two Nut Jobs of their own ...

Or else GWB would have been just a one termer or never left Texas ...

[Cutiepie]

The 1994 election was heavily influenced by:
1) Massive voluntary retirements (both parties) fueled when campaign laws no longer allowed representatives to convert campaign funds to private funds.
2) The "Contract with America" was a very well played out campaign tool (parts of which were abandoned as soon as the election was over).
3) Newt is an eloquent speaker.

Fast forward to today:
1) There is no change in campaign laws spurring massive voluntary retirements.
2) The Republicans don't have a message other than "we hope they fail".
3) The Republicans don't have an eloquent speaker in the forefront who can inspire/motovate the political middle. If they do discover one (there are some), they will select someone else as their spokesperson.



and the dems message is: Tax and spend and let government run everything. Yeah, people really like that don't they? Have you not seen how ****ed people are? Right now the majority of the people trust Republicans more then they do democrats.

[mboncher]

and the dems message is: Tax and spend and let government run everything. Yeah, people really like that don't they? Have you not seen how ****ed people are? Right now the majority of the people trust Republicans more then they do democrats.
Their trust is poorly placed as well. They need to abandon BOTH parties.

[dad49er]

and the dems message is: Tax and spend and let government run everything. Yeah, people really like that don't they? Have you not seen how ****ed people are? Right now the majority of the people trust Republicans more then they do democrats.

I think you need to get beyond conservative talk radio, and conservative talking boards to judge that.
People liked 'that' to totally dominate the last two elections.
Health care town halls are now quite peaceful with actual discussion taking place.
And issue by issue polls still show people trusting Democrats more than Republicans on most issues.

[Cutiepie]

I think you need to get beyond conservative talk radio, and conservative talking boards to judge that.
People liked 'that' to totally dominate the last two elections.
Health care town halls are now quite peaceful with actual discussion taking place.
And issue by issue polls still show people trusting Democrats more than Republicans on most issues.




I don't listen to conservative talk radio. I don't have time. I listen to 104.7 The Fish. I only hear that stuff when they have a news break and it isn't them giving the news break.

[croupier101]

You people are writing off a President after 7 months in office? Regardless of your views on him, that is a little short-sighted no matter the outcome of the mid term elections.

Most of the Einsteins in this thread predicting the downfall of Obama and the Democrats in the next elections, are the same posters that told us the Republicans were going to gain seats and win the Presidency last year.

So don't put much stock into their predictions, the haven't gotten one right in nearly 6 years.

[chef]

He is lame but not a duck he's a quack!

[dad49er]

Most of the Einsteins in this thread predicting the downfall of Obama and the Democrats in the next elections, are the same posters that told us the Republicans were going to gain seats and win the Presidency last year.

So don't put much stock into their predictions, the haven't gotten one right in nearly 6 years.

I still remember, "McCain will whip Obama like a rented step mule" loved that one.

[dad49er]

I don't listen to conservative talk radio. I don't have time. I listen to 104.7 The Fish. I only hear that stuff when they have a news break and it isn't them giving the news break.

But you do have over 22,000 posts.
Pretty much the same thing.

[Mojotiger]

Obama will be President for at least 7 1/2 more years...

[coolidge]

Obama is sitting on a fence with this healthcare. He lets the public option go and he is viewed not liberal enough, if he forces it he will have an angry America. I would say he is in a corner.

[mpodlesny]

only b/c of the dot.com bubble that he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with. Plus, he also lost the House and the Senate. I see GObama! the idiot has a one termer and I also say that the dems will lose the House and the Senate in 2010.
If I checked my numbers correctly it is impossible for the dems to lose the majority in the senate by 2010..someone recheck that...they would have to lose every seat, including very liberal california...I doubt boxer and feinstein are going to lose their seats.

[dad49er]

Obama is sitting on a fence with this healthcare. He lets the public option go and he is viewed not liberal enough, if he forces it he will have an angry America. I would say he is in a corner.

Or governing from the center.
There are some "angry Americans" most of them as a result of a disinformation campaign. Recent town hall meetings have been much calmer as myths are put to rest.

[dad49er]

If I checked my numbers correctly it is impossible for the dems to lose the majority in the senate by 2010..someone recheck that...they would have to lose every seat, including very liberal california...I doubt boxer and feinstein are going to lose their seats.

Only Boxer is up in 2010.
But you're right about the numbers, Democrats actually have a good chance to add to their majority. Open, vulnerable seats due to resignations, and retirement. Plus demographic trends.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

we see a repeat of 1994.

boehner will prob be the new speaker.

Yeah, except Republicans had been out of power for forty years then. You weren't coming off of two of the worst electoral beatings in American history.

[ChicoLibertarian]

Wait, I thought he was a smooth-talking, long-legged MacDaddy?

[ChicoLibertarian]

Recent town hall meetings have been much calmer as myths are put to rest.

Yes, our town hall meeting was quite calm, with our useless representative, Wally Herger, trying to fan the flames with more disinformation. He offered the Republican "alternative": tort reform, more competition and less regulation, allowing kids to remain on their parents insurance until 25. I just laughed openly and loud as he offered this pathetic "alternative".

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Yes, our town hall meeting was quite calm, with our useless representative, Wally Herger, trying to fan the flames with more disinformation. He offered the Republican "alternative": tort reform, more competition and less regulation, allowing kids to remain on their parents insurance until 25. I just laughed openly and loud as he offered this pathetic "alternative".

Apparently no one was willing to pay the two, three hundred dollars to get into Netroots Nation to heckle Dean at the healthcare townhall. I was soooooooo disappointed.

Even Clinton got heckled.

[Mojotiger]

Yes, our town hall meeting was quite calm, with our useless representative, Wally Herger, trying to fan the flames with more disinformation. He offered the Republican "alternative": tort reform, more competition and less regulation, allowing kids to remain on their parents insurance until 25. I just laughed openly and loud as he offered this pathetic "alternative".

What kind of libertarian considers more competition and less regulation to be pathetic?

[toreyj01]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/08/19/stiletto-obama-lame-duck/

remember when hillarycare failed and then the GOP took over the congress back in 94?
clinton was forced to lead from the middle.

obama has no victories..no major victories at all so far, and the dems are running scared for their jobs.

the stimulus is a disaster....all it did was bring the debt to over 12+ trill...
we are broke.According to the prophet Palin Obama isn't able to call himself a lame duck till the end of next year, at which point her advice is for him to quit and get a book deal.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

how can a dictator, tyrant, messiah, antichrist and Dear Leader be a lame duck?


wont he just declare mashal law, suspend congress and rule the world?
Well, we're going to have to wait for them to repeal the 22nd, but give it a few months.

[toreyj01]

We were given a masters class in this from the libs who wrote off W after 7 days in 2000.

(He took office in 2001)

And besides, after 9/11 his approval rating was over 80 percent, thats a lotta Dems that gave faith to him.

[coolidge]

Or governing from the center.
There are some "angry Americans" most of them as a result of a disinformation campaign. Recent town hall meetings have been much calmer as myths are put to rest.
Ironic on how people who refuses government controlled healthcare are "angry americans" yet people who were against the war and Bush were not. The fact remains that if Obama continues this healthcare debacle, he will force many democrats to decide if they are for or against his views in 2010.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Is Obama a Lame Duck?

If by "lame duck", you mean that he's probably going to win in three years because the Republicans aren't going to be able to produce a viable challenger, and so he'll be in office until 2016...then sure, he's a lame duck.

[Kea]

What kind of libertarian considers more competition and less regulation to be pathetic?

One going baaaaaah in sheep's clothing.

[dad49er]

Ironic on how people who refuses government controlled healthcare are "angry americans" yet people who were against the war and Bush were not. The fact remains that if Obama continues this healthcare debacle, he will force many democrats to decide if they are for or against his views in 2010.

No screaming yelling disruptive protesters pounding on windows are angry Americans.
People yelling Nazi, Heil Hitler, socialist, commie, etc are angry Americans.
All other protest is fine in my book.

[AZslim]

only b/c of the dot.com bubble that he had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with. Plus, he also lost the House and the Senate. I see GObama! the idiot has a one termer and I also say that the dems will lose the House and the Senate in 2010.

Odds favor you in that Democrats will probably lose seats in both houses in 2010 since the party of the incumbent almost always loses favor in the first off year election cycle. Whether they will lose enough to lose both houses is doubtful, however.

Giving your guy a pass on the economy after eight years and blaming the other guy after less than a year is rather disingenuous, though. If the economy still stinks after a few years I will concede president Obama's policies have failed, but now it's too early to really tell.

[darknessesedge]

I still remember, "McCain will whip Obama like a rented step mule" loved that one.

and we all remember kerry will beat GWB
algore will beat GWB...blah blah blah blah.
all partisian politics..
like rooting for your fav NFL team to win it all.

we will see the mood of the voters next nov..
2012 is to far away to make predicitions.

[dad49er]

and we all remember kerry will beat GWB
algore will beat GWB...blah blah blah blah.
all partisian politics..
like rooting for your fav NFL team to win it all.

we will see the mood of the voters next nov..
2012 is to far away to make predicitions.

I wasn't here then, and I notice you were not either.
It may be too far away, but it is all in good fun.
Hopefully everyone will keep it that way.
I just liked that particular thread, brilliant from a literary standpoint.

[Blindeye101]

Republicans will gain seats in the house, but nowhere close to a majority.
Democrats will gain seats in the Senate.
Obama will win reelection easily in 2012.

Bookmark it.
Please.

Most of the Democrats that are on my "Need to Leave NOW " list are in trouble. :dance:
I think all but 1, Nancy, will have problems to get reelected.

[darknessesedge]

I wasn't here then, and I notice you were not either.
It may be too far away, but it is all in good fun.
Hopefully everyone will keep it that way.
I just liked that particular thread, brilliant from a literary standpoint.

I was speaking in general terms about kerry/GWB/algore...
nov whenever is Superbowl time for the political types and their fans.

[dad49er]

I was speaking in general terms about kerry/GWB/algore...
nov whenever is Superbowl time for the political types and their fans.

Ah, okay.
I'll guess New England and the New York Giants.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Ah, okay.
I'll guess New England and the New York Giants.

Steelers.

[dad49er]

Steelers.

We digress, but didn't the Steelers lose a number of key players?

[darknessesedge]

is this thread still going? hahaha

[Danno3314]

I hear the left take pokes at the republicans about the party being broken and no one to lead it. It wasn't that long ago when Hillary wouldn't concede to Obama and the democrats were firmly split in half. I never had any interest in seeing Hillary win and I thought if Obama won, he'd never get anything through congress in one piece because of that split.....they may have overwhelming majorities in the house and the senate but, not if you're always going to have some straying from the pack. The party got back together to elect Obama and by making friends with Hillary and putting her in his cabinet, that definitely helped solidify the party....but, that split was pretty close to 50/50 depending on how you looked at it. I can't see it completely disappearing suddenly and the entire party being able to unite as one....there's always going to be some stragglers....like the blue dogs now.

I hate that politics get involved in something as important as this health bill but, there 's a lot at stake here for both sides in that sense and it's interfering. If he doesn't get anything passed on the health bill, I think it will start to look like, he came out strong (too strong....trying to do everything at once) and fizzled out gradually. If he does get it through, well then he'll be the guy that finally managed to get health reformed.....that will give him big points. I think some on the far left want that so bad, they're willing to not bother reading anything too.

The one thing a senator has on his/her side that other candidates won't have if they're running for president, is the relationships he/she's built up with other senators (from both sides) while in the senate. Obama didn't even have that as a junior senator....he was on his first term and he spent most of it campaigning.