10-year-old girl ticketed for unauthorized refreshment sales

[Dual867PowerMac]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539865,00.html?test=latestnews

Why not give her the chair while you're at it?

I'm not crazy about lemonade or drinks with ice in them, but I'll down a glass to protest this nonsense. If I'm not on it now, I'll probably end up on the Ministry of Fatherland Security's terrorist watch list, but what the hey. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/excited.gif

[Wookinstien]

Father Obama would be proud... :rolleyes:

[wonderingrover]

The shock......the horror! How dare this young lady sell lemonade!!! What is this world coming to?? I think we need a Czar for the Illegal sale of Lemonade and Chocolate Chip cookies!

:rolleyes:

I use to have a lemonade stand when I was about that age. I remember some of the cops would stop and buy a cup - and comment that it was good to see a kid trying to be productive and stay out of trouble.

[Samm]

Hey, she broke the law. Are you going to teach here unbridled capitalism or respect for law and order? If she wants to hawk lemonade in the Park she can get a permit like everyone else.

[sgdp]

In a public park? Yeah, I've no problem with this. Maybe something less than ticketing her, but I don't believe it should have been ignored.

[curtis123]

If a kid is going to open a lemonade stand to learn about business, they might as well learn everything about business.

They might as well learn about the ongoing fight between business and those in the government that hate it, and will obstruct it at every opportunity they'll get because someone has the audacity to make a (ghasp) profit.

[LouC]

The father should have taken his daughter first and learned first if there were any rules about setting up her stand.

He missed an opportunity to have a proper teachable moment.

He lives in the City of "permits", what was he thinking, or wasn't he?

The 3 overzealous Park agents will have a teachable moment of their own from Commissioner Adrian Benepe who really didn't need this additional bad PR for his Park department.

"I was kind of nervous, and I also really felt bad because I didn't know I was doing something against the law," Clementine said.

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[NascarGirl2448]

Glad the Commissioner is using his brain and voiding the ticket. What is this world coming to when a kid can't even have a lemonade stand?

[LouC]

Glad the Commissioner is using his brain and voiding the ticket. What is this world coming to when a kid can't even have a lemonade stand?

People are to blame, not the world, permits to sell beverages and food are a result of people selling bad beverages and bad food and people getting sick then complaining or suing.

Then elected people said hey selling permits will help insure safety and eventually they noticed something, lookie here selling permits generates "revenue"....

Then the people said oh we need to make certain we get all the revenue that is due so they raised permit prices so they could hire big burly lemonade stand revenuers who could intimidate little girls in the park all in the name of "the public good".

[Thank you Troops]

I don't need anymore reasons not to live in NY but I read it anyway. Wish I could have that 2 minutes back.

[akarra]

Agreed entirely. The rule for things like this should be "no harm, no foul."

[Pudge]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539865,00.html?test=latestnews

Why not give her the chair while you're at it?

Some people think cops should shoot offenders first and ask questions later.

I'm not crazy about lemonade or drinks with ice in them, but I'll down a glass to protest this nonsense. If I'm not on it now, I'll probably end up on the Ministry of Fatherland Security's terrorist watch list, but what the hey. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/excited.gif

Same kind of nannystate crap that outlaws bake sales at school... ridiculous. Nobody has ever gotten sick and/or died from bake sale goodies or roadside lemonade.

[JudasGoat]

Some people think cops should shoot offenders first and ask questions later.



Same kind of nannystate crap that outlaws bake sales at school... ridiculous. Nobody has ever gotten sick and/or died from bake sale goodies or roadside lemonade.

denial for the "greater good"

[ogibillm]

how old do you have to be before the rules begin to apply to you?

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

Rules....they don't apply as this little girl isn't old enough to hold a permit in the first place. Following the same rules...she's also not old enough to 'serve' or run said stand due to her age. (ie:Child labor laws). Add to that vendor food laws for 'prepared' or cooked foods..and she's out of luck again...as Lemonade is a cold 'drink'...not a hot prepared food. :rolleyes:

Growing up, I remember fondly our neighborhood Lemonade stands. It taught us how to talk to adults; how to market our product, and how to divide money gained after initial product used was deducted. Hey..it was a weeks worth of ice cream money...and when you a kid..that's the big time baby!

Sad that rules instated to protect the public have now been reduced to hassling little girls and lemonade stands. :rolleyes: Common sense has left our governing bodies folks...what's next? Rules that will keep these kids from giving away free kittens at the local market/grocery store?

~Mysty

[Dual867PowerMac]

Grey, stop fearmongering please. :rolleyes:

[Greyclouds]

Grey, stop fearmongering please. :rolleyes:

Hah, ok, removing my post.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Tough call.

This wasnt the NYPD. This was the parks dept. They have rules for a park that they enforce and those agents in green uniforms, that is their job.

The comm. sold out his agents who according to law acted withing their scope of employment and issued a lawful ticket. Therefore the training should be for the comm. and he should be trained. What are we going to train the agents, discretion? That isnt a requirement of the job, its a luxury.

At the end of the day, personal opinion could be the ticket was a bit much, but by the fathers attitude he seems to be contributing to the problem with his comments.

So whats the training? Selective enforcement of the law? Are you sure you want that kind of enforcement?

[Samm]

Glad the Commissioner is using his brain and voiding the ticket. What is this world coming to when a kid can't even have a lemonade stand?

Virtually every town in America has similar ordinances. The problem is not that this one girl set up a lemonade stand; the problem is that if every kid set up a stand it would make use of the park as a park almost untenable. And operating outside the system is not fair to all of those businesses who have rent, operating costs and taxes to pay before they turn a profit. It sounds mean... Government coming down on the poor little industrious girl, but it is very logical that she needs to play by the same rules as everybody else regardless of her age.

We had a similar incident here in Fairbanks last summer. A kid set up a stand in a pedestrian park along the river... right under the sign that said "no vendors." The "no vendors" ordinance for that park was put in place because the street vendors had taken over the area and it had become a damned flea market completely destroying the nature of the park. When a couple of merchants complained about his stand, suddenly the emotional "big meany - poor little kid" crap came out. What was not publicized was had the kid gone to City Hall and asked for a permit to sell (on the sidewalk, not in the park) he would have been given that permit free of charge (available to anyone under the age of 16.)

[Poisonshady313]

Tough call.

This wasnt the NYPD. This was the parks dept. They have rules for a park that they enforce and those agents in green uniforms, that is their job.

The comm. sold out his agents who according to law acted withing their scope of employment and issued a lawful ticket. Therefore the training should be for the comm. and he should be trained. What are we going to train the agents, discretion? That isnt a requirement of the job, its a luxury.

At the end of the day, personal opinion could be the ticket was a bit much, but by the fathers attitude he seems to be contributing to the problem with his comments.

So whats the training? Selective enforcement of the law? Are you sure you want that kind of enforcement?

Could not there have been some sort of warning? Could she not have simply been told to relocate to somewhere outside the park? Did it have to go straight to a $200 fine?

[nortman]

Could not there have been some sort of warning? Could she not have simply been told to relocate to somewhere outside the park? Did it have to go straight to a $200 fine?

$200? I thought it was $50.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Could not there have been some sort of warning? Could she not have simply been told to relocate to somewhere outside the park? Did it have to go straight to a $200 fine?

Again, that is discretion, that is not the law. Do want me to enforce the law equally or through bias?

[OldSchoolConservative]

I see both sides of the argument. In the end there was no harm done and the lemonade sale provided a good service to the community in the park. But then what if 10 lemonade stands were to be set up? That would be an unlikely scenario but anything is possible and that would detract from the park. But what should concern people if this were to happen in a residential neighborhood in the frontyard. Until then I am not too worried.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Now instead of vilifying the park enforcement and ridiculous retraining, how about a real effective tool put in place. A warning system. Some police departments provide written warnings for first offenses, here in NY all we have are verbal warnings, which does us no good. If you want real change and something that makes sense put into effect a written warning system.

But that makes too much sense and doesnt sell papers with sensational woe is me feel good stories.

[OldSchoolConservative]

Now instead of vilifying the park enforcement and ridiculous retraining, how about a real effective tool put in place. A warning system. Some police departments provide written warnings for first offenses, here in NY all we have are verbal warnings, which does us no good. If you want real change and something that makes sense put into effect a written warning system.

But that makes too much sense and doesnt sell papers with sensational woe is me feel good stories.

I think a written warning would be a good idea. I think what bothers people though is that it is a perception that American society has become too rigid. And just as Americana as a Rockwell painting, the setting of someone selling lemonade in a park is as American as Apple Pie to use an old expression. I think people subconciously see this as yet another example of too many rules infringing on the everyday lives of Americans. I think that is the real outrage not necessarially a negative perception of the officers themselves.

[Poisonshady313]

$200? I thought it was $50.

I read something about a $200 maximum fine. I could be mistaken that this was the amount of the ticket written in this case.

[donesprague]

This is a problem with the news headline. It should have said:

Girl ticketed for setting up marketing program in a public park without a permit.

[gdoane]

Some people think cops should shoot offenders first and ask questions later.



Same kind of nannystate crap that outlaws bake sales at school... ridiculous. Nobody has ever gotten sick and/or died from bake sale goodies or roadside lemonade.

Yeah, you can get sick from that stuff if it's prepared wrong.

Consider this: Where do lemons come from? They come from trees. What else is commonly found in trees? BIRDS. And what do birds do in trees? POOP! And where does that bird poo land? Everywhere... including on the lemons. That's why you should always wash fruit, even citrus and bananas, before preparation and/or consumption.

Kids don't know that, they don't give it a thought and then you've got the Bird Flu H5N1 virus killing people.

Nobody can get sick or die from this? I wouldn't bet my life on it.

[HAT IN RING]

Yeah, you can get sick from that stuff if it's prepared wrong.

Consider this: Where do lemons come from? They come from trees. What else is commonly found in trees? BIRDS. And what do birds do in trees? POOP! And where does that bird poo land? Everywhere... including on the lemons. That's why you should always wash fruit, even citrus and bananas, before preparation and/or consumption.

Kids don't know that, they don't give it a thought and then you've got the Bird Flu H5N1 virus killing people.

Nobody can get sick or die from this? I wouldn't bet my life on it.

I drink some of that roadside lemonade once in awhile. There's nothing wrong with it. It's usually that "Country Time" lemonade mix junk that makes me want to gag. Once in awhile I get the frozen concentrate which I drink personaly but the stuff I get from the kids is watered down ( :shhh: don't want to put an American citizen out of work).

Ha Ha! Fresh squeezed, I'd pay for some of that big time! Yea, some fresh squeezed would go down good when it hits 110 degress here in the south west desert. Best time for some lemonade.

[toeknee]

will Obama will send his IRS after her next?

[nortman]

This is a problem with the news headline. It should have said:

Girl ticketed for setting up marketing program in a public park without a permit.The headline would have been more favorable to her in teh liberal press had she been selling lemonade to try to help Obama pay for healthcare reform.

[snagswolf]

If she wants to stop getting hassled by the government, she should quit the lemonade business and start intimidating people as they go to vote.

[Gray]

Tough call.

This wasnt the NYPD. This was the parks dept. They have rules for a park that they enforce and those agents in green uniforms, that is their job.

The comm. sold out his agents who according to law acted withing their scope of employment and issued a lawful ticket. Therefore the training should be for the comm. and he should be trained. What are we going to train the agents, discretion? That isnt a requirement of the job, its a luxury.

At the end of the day, personal opinion could be the ticket was a bit much, but by the fathers attitude he seems to be contributing to the problem with his comments.

So whats the training? Selective enforcement of the law? Are you sure you want that kind of enforcement?

Zero tolerance leaves no room for justice.

It is kind of sad that you do not understand that.

[DLaw911]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539865,00.html?test=latestnews

Why not give her the chair while you're at it?

I'm not crazy about lemonade or drinks with ice in them, but I'll down a glass to protest this nonsense. If I'm not on it now, I'll probably end up on the Ministry of Fatherland Security's terrorist watch list, but what the hey. http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b94/BengalsManiac/excited.gifDo you know how the lemonade was made. No quality control, no inspection. For all you know her dog could have gone pee in it!

[snagswolf]

Do you know how the lemonade was made. No quality control, no inspection. For all you know her dog could have gone pee in it!
I'm certainly glad I don't go through life thinking little girls are selling lemonade laced with dog pee.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

I'm certainly glad I don't go through life thinking little girls are selling lemonade laced with dog pee.

lol...or worse yet...bird poopie from real lemons....eeewwwww. :naughty:

Kids...were talking real little kids here, not adults with a child with them...running a small lemonade stand in the neighborhood should be no big deal. Venturing into the neighborhood parks or State Parks....meh...not such a good idea. Kids shouldn't be setting up little stands in area's beyond their own neighborhoods...never know who is out there in the big bad world that might want more then lemonade...know what I mean?

200 dollar fine...what a joke. I know every department is hurting...but do we really need to apply fines in order to make up for the shortfall for something as innocent as a lemonade stand? A little common sense would go a long way in situations like this. To bad little to none is applied on either side of the equation.

~Mysty

[Greyclouds]

Do you know how the lemonade was made. No quality control, no inspection. For all you know her dog could have gone pee in it!

Careful now, people don't want to believe that iconic lemonade stands could be a source of disease due to improper food handling by the children.

I mean, improper hand washing could do alot of things... but I won't talk about it any more.

[Greyclouds]

I'm certainly glad I don't go through life thinking little girls are selling lemonade laced with dog pee.

DLaw is partially correct, albeit the contamination is very often unintentional.

[snagswolf]

DLaw is partially correct, albeit the contamination is very often unintentional.
Nope, nothing correct about worrying that you're going to get sick from buying lemonade made by children.

Let's see, what else can we put in that list:

Cookies made by a friendly neighbor.
Salsa made by a co-worker and brought in to share with everyone.
Homemade birthday cake from your mother.
Homemade pies at the local school bake sale.
Potluck dinner at the church.
Being invited to dinner at a friend's house.
Picnics with family.

And on and on and on and on and on.....

Pretty much any time you eat food prepared by non-professionals, you face the possibility of someone 'contaminating' your food. (And actually, professionally prepared food isn't guaranteed to be safe either. Remember Chi-Chis?)

If you go through life worrying about that, then you're pretty much bordering on psychosis.

[Samm]

Zero tolerance leaves no room for justice.

It is kind of sad that you do not understand that.

Justice is supposed to be blind... or don't you understand that? :eh:

[nortman]

Nope, nothing correct about worrying that you're going to get sick from buying lemonade made by children.

Let's see, what else can we put in that list:

Cookies made by a friendly neighbor.
Salsa made by a co-worker and brought in to share with everyone.
Homemade birthday cake from your mother.
Homemade pies at the local school bake sale.
Potluck dinner at the church.
Being invited to dinner at a friend's house.
Picnics with family.

And on and on and on and on and on.....

Pretty much any time you eat food prepared by non-professionals, you face the possibility of someone 'contaminating' your food. (And actually, professionally prepared food isn't guaranteed to be safe either. Remember Chi-Chis?)

If you go through life worrying about that, then you're pretty much bordering on psychosis.
Well, let's see. There are already areas what have banned bake sales, I assume because of these "concerns" as well as the government has no control over what is in the items baked. So, I'm sure that there are some (usually on the left side of the political equation) who would like to attack these items as well.

[nortman]

Well, let's see. There are already areas what have banned bake sales, I assume because of these "concerns" as well as the government has no control over what is in the items baked. So, I'm sure that there are some (usually on the left side of the political equation) who would like to attack these items as well.

Yup, the "Nanny Staters" worrying about how children are raised....http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/11/eveningnews/main4594090.shtml

Except if the state can use the idea to raise money....http://randomlyspecific.vox.com/library/post/california-to-hold-state-wide-bake-sale-to-close-budget-gap.html

I bet if California could figure out a way to tax the profits off of school bake sales, they wouldn't be so concerned about childhood obesity.

[snagswolf]

We've got the same crap going on here in PA, but for different reasons.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123932034907406927.html

Pennsylvania Pie Fight: State Cracks Down on Baked Goods
Inspector Nabs Homemade Desserts At St. Cecilia Church's Lenten Fish Fry

ROCHESTER, Pa. -- On the first Friday of Lent, an elderly female parishioner of St. Cecilia Catholic Church began unwrapping pies at the church. That's when the trouble started.

A state inspector, there for an annual checkup on the church's kitchen, spied the desserts. After it was determined that the pies were home-baked, the inspector decreed they couldn't be sold.

"Everyone was devastated," says Josie Reed, a 69-year-old former teacher known for her pumpkin and berry pies.

Sold for $1 a slice, homemade pies have always been part of the Lenten fish-fry dinners at St. Cecilia's, located in this tiny city near Pittsburgh. Similar dinners are held in church basements and other venues across the country this time of year.

The problem is the pies are illegal in Pennsylvania. Under the state's food-safety code, facilities that provide food at four or more events in a year require at least a temporary eating and drinking license, and food has to be prepared in a state-inspected kitchen. Many churches have six fish fries a year, on Fridays during Lent. St. Cecilia's has always complied with having its kitchen licensed, so food made there is fine to serve. But homemade goods don't make the cut.

The disappearance of Mary Pratte's coconut-cream pie, Louise Humbert's raisin pie and Marge Murtha's "farm apple" pie from the fish-fry fund-raisers sparked an uproar that spread far beyond the small parish. The local paper dubbed it "piegate," and a nearby bakery donated pies to the church to help fill the gap at the dessert table. There are reports of other churches continuing to sell contraband pastries. Legislation to overturn the baked-goods ban is being discussed.
Simply unbelievable. Government and its bureaucrats sticking their fingers where they don't belong.

[jeepers]

It's the death of common sense. You don't buy lemonade from a kid because you're thirsty, you buy it because it's a kindness to a kid. You don't have to buy it, but if you buy it, you don't have to drink it.

It's moronic to have any sort of law on the books against this. Perhaps banning it from being in the street itself?

As to 10 lemonade stands? Most kids aren't going to do this, else THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT.

My kids have sold lemonade a couple of times. So do other neighborhood kids. They charge a pittance, you give them a dollar and a smile, and take your drink home. Do I drink it? Haven't yet.

I also buy raffle tickets for fundraisers, bagel coupons that I don't use. It's about kids working hard and THAT is the reward to me. Seeing kids putting their backs into it. It's the effort that I'm supporting.

There is an issue because some people just don't see themselves in terms of 'adult' and 'child' in this instance. There are things that we do with kids that we don't allow with adults. Secure in your adulthood, you don't have to prove that 'laws iz lawz' and all of that junk...Think that they don't already have rules? There are certainly many of them.

Let's see how many NEW rules are around for them these days....no tag or dodgeball, someone might get hurt. No recess in middle school, that 15 min should be spent LEARNING, while America gets increasingly obese, the kids are stressed out, Johnny has trouble sitting still in school...blahlblahblah. Don't bring lovely cupcakes in from home that are made from scratch, please bring nasty storebought ones, filled with shortening.

It's all bullfeathers.

Give me that bake sale pie. I trust Grandma's kitchen MORE than I trust your average factory. Give me that glass of lemonade, I'm not going to get cholera. Bring in that homemade salsa to work, I'm sure that it's probably going to be the best that I've ever tasted.

And spare me the pontificating about permits and laws. A lemonade stand in a neighborhood in the summer is as American as a hot dog at a baseball game.

As to New York? I'd rather drink that kid's lemonade than buy a hot dog off of a street vendor. But that's me.

It's the law? Some laws are stupid. Change them. Just because it's on the books doesn't mean that it has to continue to live there. It's not like the finger of God wrote it on a freaking tablet and the crowd goes 'oooooooooooh'.

They can change that tag thing, too. A 'rule' put into place because of all of the rampant 'tag injuries' that are so well documented. *crickets* LMAO :)) :(( :))

[johnrocks]

It's ridiculous,imho. Jeepers,you made some great points!

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

It's the death of common sense. You don't buy lemonade from a kid because you're thirsty, you buy it because it's a kindness to a kid. You don't have to buy it, but if you buy it, you don't have to drink it.

It's moronic to have any sort of law on the books against this. Perhaps banning it from being in the street itself?

As to 10 lemonade stands? Most kids aren't going to do this, else THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT.

My kids have sold lemonade a couple of times. So do other neighborhood kids. They charge a pittance, you give them a dollar and a smile, and take your drink home. Do I drink it? Haven't yet.

I also buy raffle tickets for fundraisers, bagel coupons that I don't use. It's about kids working hard and THAT is the reward to me. Seeing kids putting their backs into it. It's the effort that I'm supporting.

There is an issue because some people just don't see themselves in terms of 'adult' and 'child' in this instance. There are things that we do with kids that we don't allow with adults. Secure in your adulthood, you don't have to prove that 'laws iz lawz' and all of that junk...Think that they don't already have rules? There are certainly many of them.

Let's see how many NEW rules are around for them these days....no tag or dodgeball, someone might get hurt. No recess in middle school, that 15 min should be spent LEARNING, while America gets increasingly obese, the kids are stressed out, Johnny has trouble sitting still in school...blahlblahblah. Don't bring lovely cupcakes in from home that are made from scratch, please bring nasty storebought ones, filled with shortening.

It's all bullfeathers.

Give me that bake sale pie. I trust Grandma's kitchen MORE than I trust your average factory. Give me that glass of lemonade, I'm not going to get cholera. Bring in that homemade salsa to work, I'm sure that it's probably going to be the best that I've ever tasted.

And spare me the pontificating about permits and laws. A lemonade stand in a neighborhood in the summer is as American as a hot dog at a baseball game.

As to New York? I'd rather drink that kid's lemonade than buy a hot dog off of a street vendor. But that's me.

It's the law? Some laws are stupid. Change them. Just because it's on the books doesn't mean that it has to continue to live there. It's not like the finger of God wrote it on a freaking tablet and the crowd goes 'oooooooooooh'.

They can change that tag thing, too. A 'rule' put into place because of all of the rampant 'tag injuries' that are so well documented. *crickets* LMAO :)) :(( :))

:clap::clap: Well posted Jeepers! +100

~Mysty

[OldSchoolConservative]

Nope, nothing correct about worrying that you're going to get sick from buying lemonade made by children.

Let's see, what else can we put in that list:

Cookies made by a friendly neighbor.
Salsa made by a co-worker and brought in to share with everyone.
Homemade birthday cake from your mother.
Homemade pies at the local school bake sale.
Potluck dinner at the church.
Being invited to dinner at a friend's house.
Picnics with family.

And on and on and on and on and on.....

Pretty much any time you eat food prepared by non-professionals, you face the possibility of someone 'contaminating' your food. (And actually, professionally prepared food isn't guaranteed to be safe either. Remember Chi-Chis?)

If you go through life worrying about that, then you're pretty much bordering on psychosis.

This post has too much common sense and logic. :cool:

[davetexas]

Nope, nothing correct about worrying that you're going to get sick from buying lemonade made by children.

Let's see, what else can we put in that list:

Cookies made by a friendly neighbor.
Salsa made by a co-worker and brought in to share with everyone.
Homemade birthday cake from your mother.
Homemade pies at the local school bake sale.
Potluck dinner at the church.
Being invited to dinner at a friend's house.
Picnics with family.

And on and on and on and on and on.....

Pretty much any time you eat food prepared by non-professionals, you face the possibility of someone 'contaminating' your food. (And actually, professionally prepared food isn't guaranteed to be safe either. Remember Chi-Chis?)

If you go through life worrying about that, then you're pretty much bordering on psychosis.


When I was a teenager I worked at a meat packing house. My buddy worked in the "patty room" and made ground beef.

The perfect combination. Mischievous boys in charge of the ground beef ingredients.

To this day I won't eat ground beef. And Ya'll thought it was the fat in the hamburger that was killing you!

[FidelisAdMortem]

Zero tolerance leaves no room for justice.

It is kind of sad that you do not understand that.

Its kind of sad you dont realize I was asking a question to those that want it both ways who criticize police for discretion, then expect it on the other hand.

[DLaw911]

Careful now, people don't want to believe that iconic lemonade stands could be a source of disease due to improper food handling by the children.

I mean, improper hand washing could do alot of things... but I won't talk about it any more.Kids could have picked their noses and wiped their asses before squeezing the lemons (spreading unspeakable diseases besides influenza). These are not baked goods that (hopefully) have bacteria and virus cooked to death. And where did the water come from? A garden hose that might have been hooked up to a pest sprayer? I would never buy anything but canned or bottled drinks from anyone except at an establishment that is licensed to sell fresh food and drinks. Anyone who buys lemonade from some "kid" is asking for trouble.

[OldSchoolConservative]

Kids could have picked their noses and wiped their asses before squeezing the lemons (spreading unspeakable diseases besides influenza). These are not baked goods that (hopefully) have bacteria and virus cooked to death. And where did the water come from? A garden hose that might have been hooked up to a pest sprayer? I would never buy anything but canned or bottled drinks from anyone except at an establishment that is licensed to sell fresh food and drinks. Anyone who buys lemonade from some "kid" is asking for trouble.

:think: Do you ever eat fast food? Because crazy childisn pranks tend to occur at those establishments especially when the manager is not looking. In fact I refuse to go to eat fast food past a certain time at night because the lack of as much management at night as a general rule. I would almost rather take my chances with a lemonade stand than fast food restaurants.

[jeepers]

Kids could have picked their noses and wiped their asses before squeezing the lemons (spreading unspeakable diseases besides influenza). These are not baked goods that (hopefully) have bacteria and virus cooked to death. And where did the water come from? A garden hose that might have been hooked up to a pest sprayer? I would never buy anything but canned or bottled drinks from anyone except at an establishment that is licensed to sell fresh food and drinks. Anyone who buys lemonade from some "kid" is asking for trouble.

I would rather buy lemonade from a kid and take my chances with 'booger disease' than I would from some of those lovely establishments with people who don't wash their hands after going to the john and end up spreading things like hepatitis. Kids usually run lemonade stands with lemonade made by Mom. A grownup that usually washes her hands.

The former cootie is managable, the latter, not so much. Which one actually threatens you?

But see my post about the main point of buying lemonade from a kid is to not actually drink the stuff. It's about BEING KIND.

Come on, D. I never pictured you as a grumpy fart that wouldn't buy lemonade from some enthusiastic little kid. Matter of fact, I pictured you as the opposite. Don't ya have a quarter to throw towards a mini-entrepenuer?

[Pudge]

Again, that is discretion, that is not the law. Do want me to enforce the law equally or through bias?

How about with a touch of common sense? It's not like this girl's actions endangered anyone.

[Pudge]

Do you know how the lemonade was made. No quality control, no inspection. For all you know her dog could have gone pee in it!

:rolleyes:

When I was a kid we ate hot dogs that had sat on the cold grill screen long after the fires had gone out and drank water from the end of a garden hose.

Quit being such a germophobe.

[Pudge]

It's the death of common sense. You don't buy lemonade from a kid because you're thirsty, you buy it because it's a kindness to a kid. You don't have to buy it, but if you buy it, you don't have to drink it.

It's moronic to have any sort of law on the books against this. Perhaps banning it from being in the street itself?

As to 10 lemonade stands? Most kids aren't going to do this, else THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT.

My kids have sold lemonade a couple of times. So do other neighborhood kids. They charge a pittance, you give them a dollar and a smile, and take your drink home. Do I drink it? Haven't yet.

I also buy raffle tickets for fundraisers, bagel coupons that I don't use. It's about kids working hard and THAT is the reward to me. Seeing kids putting their backs into it. It's the effort that I'm supporting.

There is an issue because some people just don't see themselves in terms of 'adult' and 'child' in this instance. There are things that we do with kids that we don't allow with adults. Secure in your adulthood, you don't have to prove that 'laws iz lawz' and all of that junk...Think that they don't already have rules? There are certainly many of them.

Let's see how many NEW rules are around for them these days....no tag or dodgeball, someone might get hurt. No recess in middle school, that 15 min should be spent LEARNING, while America gets increasingly obese, the kids are stressed out, Johnny has trouble sitting still in school...blahlblahblah. Don't bring lovely cupcakes in from home that are made from scratch, please bring nasty storebought ones, filled with shortening.

It's all bullfeathers.

Give me that bake sale pie. I trust Grandma's kitchen MORE than I trust your average factory. Give me that glass of lemonade, I'm not going to get cholera. Bring in that homemade salsa to work, I'm sure that it's probably going to be the best that I've ever tasted.

And spare me the pontificating about permits and laws. A lemonade stand in a neighborhood in the summer is as American as a hot dog at a baseball game.

As to New York? I'd rather drink that kid's lemonade than buy a hot dog off of a street vendor. But that's me.

It's the law? Some laws are stupid. Change them. Just because it's on the books doesn't mean that it has to continue to live there. It's not like the finger of God wrote it on a freaking tablet and the crowd goes 'oooooooooooh'.

They can change that tag thing, too. A 'rule' put into place because of all of the rampant 'tag injuries' that are so well documented. *crickets* LMAO :)) :(( :))

Very well said, I couldn't agree more.

[Pudge]

Kids could have picked their noses and wiped their asses before squeezing the lemons (spreading unspeakable diseases besides influenza). These are not baked goods that (hopefully) have bacteria and virus cooked to death. And where did the water come from? A garden hose that might have been hooked up to a pest sprayer? I would never buy anything but canned or bottled drinks from anyone except at an establishment that is licensed to sell fresh food and drinks. Anyone who buys lemonade from some "kid" is asking for trouble.

Do you always wear gloves? Avoid touching doorknobs or any place where someone else may have touched? How about public bathrooms, they skeeve you out?

I'm sick of it. Sick of society being run by germophobes who always think of the wildest 'what if' scenarios. Like a lemonade stand is going to be ground zero for an outbreak of Swine Flu.

Just stop already, please.

And if you're not a germophobe then you're acting like so many attorneys who have enabled and empowered them. Just stop. Common sense, please.

[OldSchoolConservative]

Do you always wear gloves? Avoid touching doorknobs or any place where someone else may have touched? How about public bathrooms, they skeeve you out?

I'm sick of it. Sick of society being run by germophobes who always think of the wildest 'what if' scenarios. Like a lemonade stand is going to be ground zero for an outbreak of Swine Flu.

Just stop already, please.

And if you're not a germophobe then you're acting like so many attorneys who have enabled and empowered them. Just stop. Common sense, please.

Im read somewhere where an office desk has actually more bacteria than even a toilet.

[psyko kat]

Im read somewhere where an office desk has actually more bacteria than even a toilet.
...true...
Has anyone here ever watched 'Myth-busters',
they prove/disprove stuff like that alla time....

[Greyclouds]

Im read somewhere where an office desk has actually more bacteria than even a toilet.

That's true, but there's a higher percentage of bacteria that can colonize the human body on a toilet seat than on your office desk (unless you've been using your office desk for...!).

[OldSchoolConservative]

That's true, but there's a higher percentage of bacteria that can colonize the human body on a toilet seat than on your office desk (unless you've been using your office desk for...!).

I do agree with that.

[Samm]

Im read somewhere where an office desk has actually more bacteria than even a toilet.

...true...
Has anyone here ever watched 'Myth-busters',
they prove/disprove stuff like that alla time....

Don't know if they ever did a show on that, but Penn & Teller did one where they showed that people had more bacteria on their hands than on their butts. ;)

[Gray]

...true...
Has anyone here ever watched 'Myth-busters',
they prove/disprove stuff like that alla time....

A student proved that an ice machine in a fast food joint has more bacteria than their toilet.

[DLaw911]

A student proved that an ice machine in a fast food joint has more bacteria than their toilet.I guess that says something about where the cooks relieve themselves.

[DLaw911]

Do you always wear gloves? Avoid touching doorknobs or any place where someone else may have touched? How about public bathrooms, they skeeve you out?

I'm sick of it. Sick of society being run by germophobes who always think of the wildest 'what if' scenarios. Like a lemonade stand is going to be ground zero for an outbreak of Swine Flu.

Just stop already, please.

And if you're not a germophobe then you're acting like so many attorneys who have enabled and empowered them. Just stop. Common sense, please.It's only common sense to avoid touching things that are in common areas unless you wash your hands immediately. The worst offeners have always been public pay phones. If your lips come into contact with the mouthpiece you have received bacteria and viruses from a multitute of people who have come before you, spit on the phone, sneeded on the phone, etc.

What would you think of a person who reached down and study his hand in a urinal and walked out of the restroom. Well that's exactly what happens when someone does not wash their hands. And even if they do, it is estimated that 80% of people in restrooms DO not wash their hands or do not use soap, or do not have hot water available, and they then grab the door handle on the way out. So even if you do exercise optimal sanitation it is essentially not to grab the door handle. Use a paper towel and, if one if not available, get some TP and use it and then drop it on the floor (unless there is a trash can provided).

Pudge, you are really speaking for yourself on this one. Diseases people "catch" can be deadly. Many people have poor immune systems. A simple cold lasts me a month and I often lose my voice for a week or more. The flu puts me in bed for weeks. It is good practive to be protective. It may seem silly to you but maybe you have a strong immune system. I know many people who have nevef had a cold or illness in their entire life and they are very lucky. Others are not so lucky.

I'm not a "germophobe" as you call it. What I do is recommended by the American Medical Association and by most health professionals. Would it be OK with you if your dentist treated you with his bare hands after sticking his hands into the mouth of another patient without washing thoroughly? What if he washed his hands right in front of you and did not use soap and and only cold water? I would not hesitate for a second to ask the dentist to put on gloves and, if he declined, I would leave. That is now important my health is to me. And none of that is a guarantee that I won't get sick, but it changes the odds and improves my chances of getting sick LESS than I used to.

[FidelisAdMortem]

How about with a touch of common sense? It's not like this girl's actions endangered anyone.

Says you and is your opinion, as you well know common sense is not defined the same in everyones eyes nor is the right time to use discretion which is why its not mandated but rather at the hands of those that may use it.

[vinson52]

At least it was only a ticket. In this country I would not it past someone to pull together some type of lawsuit because they got 'sick' off of the little girl's lemonade.

[Pudge]

Im read somewhere where an office desk has actually more bacteria than even a toilet.

That wouldn't surprise me. And I hope he never eats at restaurants because no matter how clean they are and how regulated they are, something is always going to be overlooked.

[Pudge]

Says you and is your opinion, as you well know common sense is not defined the same in everyones eyes nor is the right time to use discretion which is why its not mandated but rather at the hands of those that may use it.

Obviously, the park employee who issued a citation was overreacting. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry. Again, you don't use a nuclear bomb to kill a field mouse. You just explain to her the rules, why they are there, and ask her to please take down the stand.

[Pudge]

It's only common sense to avoid touching things that are in common areas unless you wash your hands immediately.

I have better things to do than wash my hands every five minutes. I am always in common areas, touching things that dozens of people touch. I'm not going to seal myself off in a hazmat suit every time I go out, or be one of these nervous nellies with their jars of hand sanitizer who is constantly applying it after every doorknob they use.

The worst offeners have always been public pay phones. If your lips come into contact with the mouthpiece you have received bacteria and viruses from a multitute of people who have come before you, spit on the phone, sneeded on the phone, etc.

What's a public pay phone?

What would you think of a person who reached down and study his hand in a urinal and walked out of the restroom. Well that's exactly what happens when someone does not wash their hands. And even if they do, it is estimated that 80% of people in restrooms DO not wash their hands or do not use soap, or do not have hot water available, and they then grab the door handle on the way out. So even if you do exercise optimal sanitation it is essentially not to grab the door handle. Use a paper towel and, if one if not available, get some TP and use it and then drop it on the floor (unless there is a trash can provided).

Many newer public bathrooms are going doorless. In my local Wal-Mart they use a zig-zag wall. It's all catering to germophobes. Someone can be in the stall dropping a steamer and anyone who walks past the bathroom gets to smell it because a few obsessive-compulsive types don't want to touch a door. Please.

Pudge, you are really speaking for yourself on this one.

No I am not, there are many people like me who think that germophobia has gone too far. First off- we need germs. Our body has to come into contact with them from time to time so our immune system can develop antibodies which helps us fight infections. Trying to antibacterialize the world will only leave us open to a weakened state of immunity combined with a false sense of security, and we will be left more open to infection when the protocols fail. Second, it would take up most of our lives just trying to avoid bacteria and other pathogens, whatever happened to living life?

Diseases people "catch" can be deadly.

Cars crash and can be deadly, you ride in one? You're more likely to die in a car crash than you are of influenza.

Many people have poor immune systems.

Some do, some do not. I think that this type of constant cleaning and sanitizing weakens them further.

Would it be OK with you if your dentist treated you with his bare hands after sticking his hands into the mouth of another patient without washing thoroughly? What if he washed his hands right in front of you and did not use soap and and only cold water? I would not hesitate for a second to ask the dentist to put on gloves and, if he declined, I would leave. That is now important my health is to me. And none of that is a guarantee that I won't get sick, but it changes the odds and improves my chances of getting sick LESS than I used to.

There is a far cry between rightly expecting a medical practicioner to follow safety protocols such as hand washing and using gloves and being a Panicky Pete and using a tissue to turn a doorknob.

Context, please.

[snagswolf]

That wouldn't surprise me. And I hope he never eats at restaurants because no matter how clean they are and how regulated they are, something is always going to be overlooked.
True. Plus, the laws that govern restaurants and food manufacturers are not absolute. Meaning they don't require food to be completely free of contaminants. In other words, there's an 'acceptable' level of the amount of rat hairs, rat droppings, bird droppings, etc., that is legally allowed to be in the food we all eat.

In light of that, it seems kind of silly to worry about a little girl making your lemonade.