Sarah Palin should get the Nobel Peace prize for saving millions of grandma lives..

[Henry Alden]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.

[CaughtInTheMiddle]

<popcorn ready>

[Buffalo]

You owe me a keyboard and a new spleen.

[killSocialism]

I agree, she should win.........but she'll just be hated more because liberals didn't get to rid us of evil grandmas.......hey, but they can still kill babies.

[toreyj01]

Seriously one of the funniest thread titles of all time.....

[victwells]

Sarah Palin is showing why the government controlled media is sooo afraid of her!!!! they have alot more to fear of her now, bs lame demwits in alaska will not have ammo for more baseless ´´investigations´´ of this fine woman. I certainly do not read about any more ´´investigations or accusations´´ of this woman. She is the most investigated person in the country, far more that ´´The Thug´´ ever was. I think America can now very clearly see who she is and what she stands for and what ´´The Thug ´´ is and what he stands for .

[nebcon]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.

It is my understanding that the concept of denying care based on age is not as scrapped as you think, and to give Palin credit for this, when for the last three weeks Republicans have been cheering on ordinary people standing up at town halls is absolutely shameless.

My God, anything to prop her up and make her look like a hero. Even if it means giving her credit for something that others did. Why on earth I would want to be part of your team, I can't imagine.

[croupier101]

:)) :))

Nothing to say really, it is too funny.

This is not quite the Ted Stevens is Jesus thread, but close.

[victwells]

It is my understanding that the concept of denying care based on age is not as scrapped as you think, and to give Palin credit for this, when for the last three weeks Republicans have been cheering on ordinary people standing up at town halls is absolutely shameless.

My God, anything to prop her up and make her look like a hero. Even if it means giving her credit for something that others did. Why on earth I would want to be part of your team, I can't imagine.
no one is propping up Sarah Palin, dream on!

[victwells]

:)) :))

Nothing to say really, it is too funny.

This is not quite the Ted Stevens is Jesus thread, but close.
glad you´re laughing she just killed a portion of ´´The Thug´s ´´ Takeover plan, by herself, yeah good one hahaha and keep laughing hahaha

[Buffalo]

It is my understanding that the concept of denying care based on age is not as scrapped as you think, and to give Palin credit for this, when for the last three weeks Republicans have been cheering on ordinary people standing up at town halls is absolutely shameless.

My God, anything to prop her up and make her look like a hero. Even if it means giving her credit for something that others did. Why on earth I would want to be part of your team, I can't imagine.
You're just a hater. Without Saracuda, this thing would have passed weeks ago.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I am going to take this thread home and make sweet, sweet love to it...I don't care what my wife says.

[Theranna]

Saint Sarah, we bask in the glory that is you!

We are not worthy!
We are not worthy!
We are not worthy!
We are not worthy!

[Buffalo]

I am going to take this thread home and make sweet, sweet love to it...I don't care what my wife says.
She will totally understand.

[Mojotiger]

I am going to take this thread home and make sweet, sweet love to it...I don't care what my wife says.

This thread takes balls to write, so therefore it is a male thread. Enjoy!

[croupier101]

Praise Sarah!!!!!! Can't wait to buy your book!!!!! YAY!!!

[Dr. Funkenstein]

This thread takes balls to write, so therefore it is a male thread. Enjoy!
This thread has no gender...it is nothing more than a powderkeg of sexual energy.

[nebcon]

no one is propping up Sarah Palin, dream on!

She isn't responsible for the modifications in the bill. You're are embarrassing yourselves, all of you.

[ksdb]

Lot of libs in denial here. This provision was dropped because Palin helped bring attention to it. Fool yourselves into thinking otherwise, but the death panel criticism euthanized this provision.

[nebcon]

You're just a hater. Without Saracuda, this thing would have passed weeks ago.

Uh huh....

[croupier101]

You're just a hater. Without Saracuda, this thing would have passed weeks ago.

:lol:

[nebcon]

Lot of libs in denial here. This provision was dropped because Palin helped bring attention to it. Fool yourselves into thinking otherwise, but the death panel criticism euthanized this provision.

Her comments about the issue are recent. She was one voice on this, not the primary one or the first one.

[RedStatePaPa]

<popcorn ready>

:lol:

Well ok, that was pretty funny!

[Henry Alden]

Seriously one of the funniest thread titles of all time.....


Jews were laughing in Germany.

Hitler could not have meant us.

We are Germans.

Jews are no longer laughing, now are they?

[Mojotiger]

We are Germans.



I'm actually half Italian.

[croupier101]

jews were laughing in germany.

Hitler could not have meant us.

We are germans.

Jews are no longer laughing, now are they?

:)) :)) :)) I heart conservatives.

[RedStatePaPa]

I'm predicting liberals and libertarians are going to go ******* crazy in this thread. :))

[ksdb]

Her comments about the issue are recent. She was one voice on this, not the primary one or the first one.

You haven't been paying much attention. The LMSM contorted itself into trying to debunk Palin's criticism to no avail. It's no coincidence that the provision was dropped after she brought attention to the matter.

[Vaard]

I'm actually half Italian.

i am half german, half italian and half polish.......

[DRS]

Jews were laughing in Germany.

Hitler could not have meant us.

We are Germans.

Jews are no longer laughing, now are they?

So are you saying the insurance comapnies are nazis when they do not pay for the care of those insured with them?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Okay...all joking aside...(I've been accused of trolling, so I figure I might as well TRY to discuss on this one, right?)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.

The problem with your contention is that bills in committee are ALWAYS being adjusted. The "nazi death panels" you speak of were probably not going to be part of the final bill once all the compromising and other political haggling was complete.

And if you would PLEASE stop it with the "liberals wish people would have more abortions" ********...I mean seriously. How can you POSSIBLY intend to be taken seriously when you ratchet up the rhetoric to 11, and the rhetoric doesn't make any damn sense?

Look...I'm pro-choice, and I have never once in my life encouraged anyone to have an abortion. I have been approached three times, and in every instance I told the woman they needed to take some time, look at all of her options, and then make a decision. Two of them kept the baby, one gave hers up for adoption. And for the record...no one else that I know who is pro-choice has ever encouraged anyone to have an abortion. That assertion, simply put, is ridiculous and stupid.

I applaud Sarah Palin for having the courage to carry to term a child she knew was going to have a significant defect. That **** couldn't have been easy...both in terms of the pregnancy itself (not like she's young or anything) and in terms of the emotion of preparing for life with a special needs child.

[Henry Alden]

Her comments about the issue are recent. She was one voice on this, not the primary one or the first one.

Many socialists have preached government controlled health care first but Obama's face is all over it. He owns it.

[ksdb]

I'm predicting liberals and libertarians are going to go ******* crazy in this thread. :))

That's not much of a prediction. That started with the first reply.

[Jagergeist]

Can we PLEASE stop mentioning Palin's name. According to Fox her favorable rating is still tanking and is now equal to Dan Quale's when he left office. I would really be happy if both sides would drop her name and let her crash and burn on her own.

[croupier101]

I'm predicting liberals and libertarians are going to go ******* crazy in this thread. :))

Stop laughing because:

Jews were laughing in Germany.

Hitler could not have meant us.

We are Germans.

Jews are no longer laughing, now are they?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

i am half german, half italian and half polish.......
You're a really imaginary creature.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I'm actually half Italian.
In for the Scottish-Irish combo platter

[Henry Alden]

Okay...all joking aside...(I've been accused of trolling, so I figure I might as well TRY to discuss on this one, right?)



The problem with your contention is that bills in committee are ALWAYS being adjusted. The "nazi death panels" you speak of were probably not going to be part of the final bill once all the compromising and other political haggling was complete.

And if you would PLEASE stop it with the "liberals wish people would have more abortions" ********...I mean seriously. How can you POSSIBLY intend to be taken seriously when you ratchet up the rhetoric to 11, and the rhetoric doesn't make any damn sense?

Look...I'm pro-choice, and I have never once in my life encouraged anyone to have an abortion. I have been approached three times, and in every instance I told the woman they needed to take some time, look at all of her options, and then make a decision. Two of them kept the baby, one gave hers up for adoption. And for the record...no one else that I know who is pro-choice has ever encouraged anyone to have an abortion. That assertion, simply put, is ridiculous and stupid.

I applaud Sarah Palin for having the courage to carry to term a child she knew was going to have a significant defect. That **** couldn't have been easy...both in terms of the pregnancy itself (not like she's young or anything) and in terms of the emotion of preparing for life with a special needs child.

You are clueless about the billion dollar abortion industry who thrives on murder.

"Planned healthcare" is right up Planned Parenthood's alley.

oh..so you never believed her baby was really her daughter's as reported in the Daily Koz and I am sure you no longer take that liberal rag seriously.

[Gabby]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.

'End of life counseling' and 'death panels' are two different things. The title of this thread and your OP seem to equate them.

'End of life counseling' in the bill allows for docs to be reimbursed for counseling their patients on Health Care Directives.

'Dealth Panel' is the panel that will decide how benefits are allocated.

The idea of a gov panel that decides which medical procedures are covered and who will get them is still in the bills.

[victwells]

She isn't responsible for the modifications in the bill. You're are embarrassing yourselves, all of you.
you´re just simply hysterical!!!! She is the only Republican consistently speaking out about this, now she has singlehandidly defeated it and demwits are still just in denial. Demwits have spent millions trying to destroy this woman and she just comes back and deals you a defeat, well whatever it takes to get you through the day huh? Sarah didn´t win, sarah didn´t win, sarah didn´t win

[Dr. Funkenstein]

You are clueless about the billion dollar abortion industry who thrives on murder.

I'm aware of its existence, and I know people who have worked in it. Not one of them has ever pushed a woman to get an abortion. There are times where there is nothing that could be said to someone that will change their mind...I feel bad for those women, but it's not my decision to make for them. Period.

"Planned healthcare" is right up Planned Parenthood's alley.

Yeah. :rolleyes:

oh..so you never believed her baby was really her daughter's as reported in the Daily Koz and I am sure you no longer take that liberal rag seriously.

I was banned from Kos five years ago for being a "warmongering neo-con". And no...I never believed it was Bristol's kid...especially because BRISTOL WAS ****ING PREGNANT AT THE TIME.

Every so often, I attempt to employ logic while reading stories in the political arena. I know it's a difficult concept to comprehend.

[Henry Alden]

Can we PLEASE stop mentioning Palin's name. According to Fox her favorable rating is still tanking and is now equal to Dan Quale's when he left office. I would really be happy if both sides would drop her name and let her crash and burn on her own.


Thomas Jefferson's name was once unpopular because he was shaking up the power structure ...the media pawns are ridiculing her because she speaks truth to power. Joe Biden is the real idiot who ran for VP..

[dad49er]

A Nobel Prize for saving grandmas?
Well maybe,
if she actually had.
Don't forget these already exist in many states, including her own.

[Henry Alden]

I'm aware of its existence, and I know people who have worked in it. Not one of them has ever pushed a woman to get an abortion. There are times where there is nothing that could be said to someone that will change their mind...I feel bad for those women, but it's not my decision to make for them. Period.



Yeah. :rolleyes:



I was banned from Kos five years ago for being a "warmongering neo-con". And no...I never believed it was Bristol's kid...especially because BRISTOL WAS ****ING PREGNANT AT THE TIME.

Every so often, I attempt to employ logic while reading stories in the political arena. I know it's a difficult concept to comprehend.

No one knew Bristol was pregnant at the time.

[ksdb]

'End of life counseling' and 'death panels' are two different things. The title of this thread and your OP seem to equate them.

'End of life counseling' in the bill allows for docs to be reimbursed for counseling their patients on Health Care Directives.

'Dealth Panel' is the panel that will decide how benefits are allocated.

The idea of a gov panel that decides which medical procedures are covered and who will get them is still in the bills.

Even the story acknowledges that Palin's criticism killed this provision. If it was completely different, why take it out??

Still, a week after first using the term on her Facebook page, Palin defended her claim this week with a new posting. And senators on the finance committee decided to get rid of the provision that appeared to be animating the claim.

[DRS]

You are clueless about the billion dollar abortion industry who thrives on murder.

"Planned healthcare" is right up Planned Parenthood's alley.

oh..so you never believed her baby was really her daughter's as reported in the Daily Koz and I am sure you no longer take that liberal rag seriously.

Are women forced to have abortions?

[nebcon]

Many socialists have preached government controlled health care first but Obama's face is all over it. He owns it.

You people have spent about three weeks patting ordinary private citizens on the back for protesting this. All this talk about people waking up and putting pressure on their representatives, and in the end you hand this to Palin? I'm quite sure that if this was a claim worth refuting, one could post a timeline of comments and show that Palin's were not primarily responsible for the pressure on this bill. This is shameless.

[Buffalo]

Jews were laughing in Germany.

Hitler could not have meant us.

We are Germans.

Jews are no longer laughing, now are they?
45 more minutes of material and you've got an HBO special.

[ksdb]

A Nobel Prize for saving grandmas?
Well maybe,
if she actually had.
Don't forget these already exist in many states, including her own.
If they already exist, then we don't need them at the federal level with federal oversight.

[DRS]

No one knew Bristol was pregnant at the time.

Are you kidding?

Tons of people knew she was pregnant

[Dr. Funkenstein]

No one knew Bristol was pregnant at the time.
When I first heard the rumor, I knew she was pregnant.

[Buffalo]

I'm predicting liberals and libertarians are going to go ******* crazy in this thread. :))
Crazy? This is just what I needed for the end of the week. It's beautiful.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Are women forced to have abortions?
That depends on who you're listening to.

[Henry Alden]

you´re just simply hysterical!!!! She is the only Republican consistently speaking out about this, now she has singlehandidly defeated it and demwits are still just in denial. Demwits have spent millions trying to destroy this woman and she just comes back and deals you a defeat, well whatever it takes to get you through the day huh? Sarah didn´t win, sarah didn´t win, sarah didn´t win

she won....saved millions of lives... and we know it despite media lies. :dance:

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Crazy? This is just what I needed for the end of the week. It's beautiful.
Hey...I found out I was a Democrat earlier this morning, so everyone's getting SOMETHING today.

[ksdb]

You people have spent about three weeks patting ordinary private citizens on the back for protesting this. All this talk about people waking up and putting pressure on their representatives, and in the end you hand this to Palin? I'm quite sure that if this was a claim worth refuting, one could post a timeline of comments and show that Palin's were not primarily responsible for the pressure on this bill. This is shameless.

Read post #45. The reporter in the OP already handed this to Palin. There's no other way to explain it.

[nebcon]

Thomas Jefferson's name was once unpopular because he was shaking up the power structure ...the media pawns are ridiculing her because she speaks truth to power. Joe Biden is the real idiot who ran for VP..

Don't even mention Jefferson's name in the same sentence. She is nothing like Jefferson.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

she won....saved millions of lives... and we know it despite media lies. :dance:
You should totally write the people in Sweden and nominate her.

:pray:

[Chuangtzu]

she won....saved millions of lives... and we know it despite media lies. :dance:

I love conservatarian myth babies.

[ddye]

I simply cannot believe how willfully ignorant some people are.

Doug

[Henry Alden]

Are you kidding?

Tons of people knew she was pregnant

revisionist ..

you have her mixed up with Senator Edwards girlfriend..

[DRS]

That depends on who you're listening to.

I have seen the special where the women in America are put into camps and forced to get pregnant and have abortions over and over again. :D

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Read post #45. The reporter in the OP already handed this to Palin. There's no other way to explain it.

Translation

I believe the press when they agree with what I think

[victwells]

Can we PLEASE stop mentioning Palin's name. According to Fox her favorable rating is still tanking and is now equal to Dan Quale's when he left office. I would really be happy if both sides would drop her name and let her crash and burn on her own.
I´m sure you would love to not hear her name again, demwits have done everything they could to destroy this woman and she is stronger than ever, but get used to it because i think you are going to be hearing about Sarah Palin for a long , long long, long ,very long ,long time,

[Henry Alden]

I simply cannot believe how willfully ignorant some people are.

Doug

we see our faults in other people..:angel:

[ksdb]

I simply cannot believe how willfully ignorant some people are.

Doug

This is a pointless comment. If you have something specific in mind, point it out and rebut it. Basically this is nothing more than vague and unproductive namecalling.

[Chuangtzu]

I simply cannot believe how willfully ignorant some people are.

Doug

Everyone will be a millionaire, one day, Doug. If only gubmint didn't waste it's time painting bridges, and educating poor kids and obligating insurance companies to pay for a counseling session...

[DRS]

revisionist ..

you have her mixed up with Senator Edwards girlfriend..

Hate to tell you this but the first arguement to show this was not true and kos was acting like many here are now acting was the timeline

[Gabby]

Even the story acknowledges that Palin's criticism killed this provision. If it was completely different, why take it out??

Are you suggesting that the press never gets it wrong?

I believe that she has been critizing both parts of the bill... both the end of life counseling for Health Care Directives and the 'death panel'.

The point is that the 'death panel' still is in the bill. There will be a gov panel that decides who gets what care.

[Henry Alden]

even the story acknowledges that palin's criticism killed this provision. If it was completely different, why take it out??


bingo..

The provision that never existed has been taken out..:)):))

[conphu1]

:)) :))

Nothing to say really, it is too funny.

This is not quite the Ted Stevens is Jesus thread, but close.

Sarah d'Arc. :D

[nebcon]

Read post #45. The reporter in the OP already handed this to Palin. There's no other way to explain it.

:)) So some reporter says it and it's true? Never mind that most of the regular posters here know how this situation has unfolded, what happened when, and in what order and therefore know it's not true. I'm glad she's against this, but the idea that she caused this to happen is ludicrous.

[Henry Alden]

Hate to tell you this but the first arguement to show this was not true and kos was acting like many here are now acting was the timeline

The DK is a lying communist rag but they are not that stupid.

[victwells]

:)) So some reporter says it and it's true? Never mind that most of the regular posters here know how this situation has unfolded, what happened when, and in what order and therefore know it's not true. I'm glad she's against this, but the idea that she caused this to happen is ludicrous.
You know she is the only national figure that i have seen repeatedly in the news spearheading the opposition to this, so who are you saying did this???

[ksdb]

Translation

No, I applaud the press when they admit the truth. This is one of those rare occasions. And if you think the press is always right and accurate, then you have to agree with the premise of the OP. Otherwise, are you saying that the reporter is lying??

[Dr. Funkenstein]

tHE dAILY kOZ IS A LIBERAL HATE RAG BUT THEY ARE NIOT STUPID..
Oh...I wholeheartedly disagree.

They most certainly are stupid.

[ksdb]

So some reporter says it and it's true?
Are you saying it's a lie?? Why??


Never mind that most of the regular posters here know how this situation has unfolded, what happened when, and in what order and therefore know it's not true.
********.

I'm glad she's against this, but the idea that she caused this to happen is ludicrous.
Because YOU think so??

[Jagergeist]

I´m sure you would love to not hear her name again, demwits have done everything they could to destroy this woman and she is stronger than ever, but get used to it because i think you are going to be hearing about Sarah Palin for a long , long long, long ,very long ,long time,

I personally don't care about Palin one way or the other. I am tired however that some people keep quoting and referencing her like anyone cares what she thinks. The last Fox poll had 6% of people think her next job should be President. Don't you think it's time to start following what a real conservative Presidential contender thinks and believes?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

No, I applaud the press when they admit the truth. This is one of those rare occasions. And if you think the press is always right and accurate, then you have to agree with the premise of the OP. Otherwise, are you saying that the reporter is lying??

I don't think he's right here, and I also don't get into phrases like "always" or "never" because it paints me into a corner. I generally don't think the press is right, because I think they're too busy trying to "out-scoop" each other on stories to bother getting to the bottom of the matter they're investigating.

[DRS]

The DK is a lying communist rag but they are not that stupid.

That is where it came from if I remeber right since it was posted here with a link to the kos

[ksdb]

Are you suggesting that the press never gets it wrong?
No. I said this is a case where they got it right.

I believe that she has been critizing both parts of the bill... both the end of life counseling for Health Care Directives and the 'death panel'.

The point is that the 'death panel' still is in the bill. There will be a gov panel that decides who gets what care.
This is one battle. I'm sure other parts of the bill will be dealt with. At this point, the whole bill is on life support anyway.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

No one knew Bristol was pregnant at the time.
For the record...Sarah Palin was announced as McCain's VP candidate on 8/29/08 (a Friday...it was a beautiful day on these boards, BTW...I love Fridays during election season).

Bristol announced she was pregnant on 9/1.

I didn't hear a word about Sarah possibly not being Trig's mother until later that week...because I don't (generally) post on weekends/holidays, and I wasn't back to work until 9/2.

[Henry Alden]

Sarah Palin is showing why the government controlled media is sooo afraid of her!!!! they have alot more to fear of her now, bs lame demwits in alaska will not have ammo for more baseless ´´investigations´´ of this fine woman. I certainly do not read about any more ´´investigations or accusations´´ of this woman. She is the most investigated person in the country, far more that ´´The Thug´´ ever was. I think America can now very clearly see who she is and what she stands for and what ´´The Thug ´´ is and what he stands for .

Professional person with Down Syndrome child. She did not have an abortion. That makes her evil.

Michael Vick just signed a million dollar contract. Our society has no respect for life..human or animal. ..so sad..

[ksdb]

I don't think he's right here, and I also don't get into phrases like "always" or "never" because it paints me into a corner. I generally don't think the press is right, because I think they're too busy trying to "out-scoop" each other on stories to bother getting to the bottom of the matter they're investigating.

Translation:

I believe the press when they agree with what I think

[dad49er]

Even the story acknowledges that Palin's criticism killed this provision. If it was completely different, why take it out??

Duplication of state services, it already exists in many states (including Alaska).
And it takes away a major fear card health care reform critics had been playing.

[dad49er]

If they already exist, then we don't need them at the federal level with federal oversight.

IMO it doesn't matter.
State or FED it is still there.

[Mojotiger]

Duplication of state services, it already exists in many states (including Alaska).
And it takes away a major fear card health care reform critics had been playing.

And it proves, again, that the Democrats have no backbone.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Translation:

I believe the press when they agree with what I think

I believe the press when it appears like they've actually done their homework.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

And it proves, again, that the Democrats have no backbone.
Correction...politicians have no backbone.

(shoot...and people call ME squishy)

[dad49er]

Are you suggesting that the press never gets it wrong?

I believe that she has been critizing both parts of the bill... both the end of life counseling for Health Care Directives and the 'death panel'.

The point is that the 'death panel' still is in the bill. There will be a gov panel that decides who gets what care.

Like a private insurance carrier?

[Jagergeist]

Duplication of state services, it already exists in many states (including Alaska).
And it takes away a major fear card health care reform critics had been playing.

I agree, especially with the second part. Congressional Democrats are sweeting the pot wtih Republicans by taking out things not needed to bring more votes on board. In the end the Republicans will see one of the House bills through since they are more attracted to money than principal.

[ksdb]

I believe the press when it appears like they've actually done their homework.

In this case, they did.

[dad49er]

I agree, especially with the second part. Congressional Democrats are sweeting the pot wtih Republicans by taking out things not needed to bring more votes on board. In the end the Republicans will see one of the House bills through since they are more attracted to money than principal.

True.
Then a bunch of people are going to turn around and say, "what the hell happend?"

[nebcon]

You know she is the only national figure that i have seen repeatedly in the news spearheading the opposition to this, so who are you saying did this???

So has Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh, and probably a whole host of other on air personalities as well as the rare Republican member of Congress with principles still left intact. The opposition to this bill as a whole has been a cooporative effort among everyone that opposes it. You are taking all the other pressure brought to bear against this unconstitutional piece of trash and handing the credit to someone who was simply part of it, not the primary force behind it.

[ksdb]

I agree, especially with the second part. Congressional Democrats are sweeting the pot wtih Republicans by taking out things not needed to bring more votes on board. In the end the Republicans will see one of the House bills through since they are more attracted to money than principal.
It's 'principle' in this case. Yes, this bill could become very heavily diluted. The popular support is still not there. It's too bad for Obama that he has to rely on bribing Republicans to carry the bill since he can't count on his own party to push it through.

[Buffalo]

If Sarah is so powerful, could she write a facebook note about reducing the Federal debt please?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

If Sarah is so powerful, could she write a facebook note about reducing the Federal debt please?
:clap: :clap:

I heart this post.

[Darkblade]

any anuerisms yet? 'cause i want to see scanners style anuerisms!

[Dr. Funkenstein]

The "Mel Gibson" in me wonders this...

Is it possible the "death panels" were written in specifically to distract attention away from something else as a political ploy? Sort of like the original GOP bill authorizing the Department of Homeland Security that wouldn't allow employees of the department to unionize?

[toreyj01]

Jews were laughing in Germany.

Hitler could not have meant us.

We are Germans.

Jews are no longer laughing, now are they?
http://thismommygig.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/omg.png

[Mojotiger]

Correction...politicians have no backbone.

(shoot...and people call ME squishy)

Good point.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

http://thismommygig.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/omg.png
I don't think I've ever seen anything be the 100th post AND be this perfect.

[toreyj01]

I am going to take this thread home and make sweet, sweet love to it...I don't care what my wife says.
:eek::)):)):))

[Morgan]

The "Mel Gibson" in me wonders this...

Is it possible the "death panels" were written in specifically to distract attention away from something else as a political ploy? Sort of like the original GOP bill authorizing the Department of Homeland Security that wouldn't allow employees of the department to unionize?

Prior to seeing the ridiculous outrage over this, would you have predicted that end of life counseling would end up being tarred as 'death panels'? I think you're giving both Democrats and Republicans too much credit here.

[timjy]

Like a private insurance carrier?
Why is it the left keeps using private insurance carriers as a model for public.That has nothing to do with the health care discussion.The private care will no longer exist.There will be but one choice so private means nothing .

[nebcon]

If Sarah is so powerful, could she write a facebook note about reducing the Federal debt please?

I'm waiting for the one on how to get blood from a stone.

[dad49er]

Why is it the left keeps using private insurance carriers as a model for public.That has nothing to do with the health care discussion.The private care will no longer exist.There will be but one choice so private means nothing .

I'm referring to the 'rationing' argument.
Rationing already exists:
1) Every time a private insurer will not insure because of preexisting conditions.
2) Every time they deny a request for treatment.
3) Every time they drop someone for getting sick.

Private care will continue to exist, just under better rules.
They won't go anywhere.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Prior to seeing the ridiculous outrage over this, would you have predicted that end of life counseling would end up being tarred as 'death panels'? I think you're giving both Democrats and Republicans too much credit here.
I'm generally in the "see what's there" camp instead of hunting for **** that doesn't exist...but I'm willing to wonder....

[ksdb]

I'm referring to the 'rationing' argument.
Rationing already exists:
1) Every time a private insurer will not insure because of preexisting conditions.
2) Every time they deny a request for treatment.
3) Every time they drop someone for getting sick.

Private care will continue to exist, just under better rules.
They won't go anywhere.
Under the current system you can choose your carriers. If they don't cover something you're concerned with, you can opt out and find another carriers. Under a national plan, these rules all become standardized and there are NO choices. It's simply rationed as the Federal government chooses.

[Henry Alden]

http://thismommygig.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/omg.png



denial..

it could happen..

just a few years ago, I was hearing how our President and VP were war criminals commiting mass murder..

[ddye]

You know she is the only national figure that i have seen repeatedly in the news spearheading the opposition to this, so who are you saying did this???
I always oppose made up stuff that sounds scary. I am always completely against it.

Brave? Yes, I know, I am a brave person.

Doug

[Henry Alden]

Duplication of state services, it already exists in many states (including Alaska).
And it takes away a major fear card health care reform critics had been playing.

wrong...not manditory government "counseling"...

[Henry Alden]

So has Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh, and probably a whole host of other on air personalities as well as the rare Republican member of Congress with principles still left intact. The opposition to this bill as a whole has been a cooporative effort among everyone that opposes it. You are taking all the other pressure brought to bear against this unconstitutional piece of trash and handing the credit to someone who was simply part of it, not the primary force behind it.

She took the most liberal media flack..they love to hate her..

Beck is closing in ...

here's why..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK8YEI8-nxs

[FreeAndClear]

It's 'principle' in this case. Yes, this bill could become very heavily diluted. The popular support is still not there. It's too bad for Obama that he has to rely on bribing Republicans to carry the bill since he can't count on his own party to push it through.


so how exactly does one define bipartsanship then?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

denial..

it could happen..

just a few years ago, I was hearing how our President and VP were war criminals commiting mass murder..
And the people saying that were colossal idiots.

Go figure...

[FreeAndClear]

Why is it the left keeps using private insurance carriers as a model for public.That has nothing to do with the health care discussion.The private care will no longer exist.There will be but one choice so private means nothing .


This is the real bovine feces that keeps getting flung. Outside of the immagined effects of page 16 what proof do you have that this will actually happen?

The government can and will underbid but not to the extent that it will drive out insurance companies. The insurance companies are large with large lobbyist groups, it will never ever happen.

Their profits may shrink and they may reogranize but that is upto them and probably for the better considering how they handle our care now.

[Henry Alden]

This is the real bovine feces that keeps getting flung. Outside of the immagined effects of page 16 what proof do you have that this will actually happen?

The government can and will underbid but not to the extent that it will drive out insurance companies. The insurance companies are large with large lobbyist groups, it will never ever happen.

Their profits may shrink and they may reogranize but that is upto them and probably for the better considering how they handle our care now.

Obama is on record that this is the first step to single payer..I remember what the post office was like before UPS came along..

[nebcon]

She took the most liberal media flack..they love to hate her..

Beck is closing in ...

here's why..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK8YEI8-nxs

So whoever gets the most mud slung at them gets credit for defeating measures in the bill? That doesn't even make sense.

[timjy]

This is the real bovine feces that keeps getting flung. Outside of the immagined effects of page 16 what proof do you have that this will actually happen?

The government can and will underbid but not to the extent that it will drive out insurance companies. The insurance companies are large with large lobbyist groups, it will never ever happen.

Their profits may shrink and they may reogranize but that is up to them and probably for the better considering how they handle our care now.
Have you ever had a walmart move in .

[FreeAndClear]

Obama is on record that this is the first step to single payer..I remember what the post office was like before UPS came along..


So what.... He is also on the record saying that he is against ;) . I know I know LIAR ... may be.

However, it is still not in the bill.

Just because someone is for or against something does not mean the law that they are trying to pass is for or against it

[FreeAndClear]

Have you ever had a walmart move in .


large insurance companies are not exactly mom n' pop stores

[ksdb]

so how exactly does one define bipartsanship then?

Certainly not through bribery. Two parties have to promote a common interest ... and it should be that of lining their own pockets.

[FreeAndClear]

Certainly not through bribery. Two parties have to promote a common interest ... and it should be that of lining their own pockets.


That's right but nothing gets done that way. Bipartsanship only happens when constituents are bipartisan

[ksdb]

That's right but nothing gets done that way. Bipartsanship only happens when constituents are bipartisan
What part needs to get done if there isn't natural bipartisan interest?? Sometimes it's better that things don't get done.

[Henry Alden]

So what.... He is also on the record saying that he is against ;) . I know I know LIAR ... may be.

However, it is still not in the bill.

Just because someone is for or against something does not mean the law that they are trying to pass is for or against it

It's an obvious first step..he even said so..

sue me..I believe him..:angel:

[dad49er]

Under the current system you can choose your carriers. If they don't cover something you're concerned with, you can opt out and find another carriers. Under a national plan, these rules all become standardized and there are NO choices. It's simply rationed as the Federal government chooses.

Here is the history of someone with a preexisting health condition trying to find coverage:

Denied.
Denied.
Denied.
Denied.

Companies will win customers on price, how easy they are to access, customer relations,etc.
You know, competition.

[mama2tyler]

I'm referring to the 'rationing' argument.
Rationing already exists:
1) Every time a private insurer will not insure because of preexisting conditions.
2) Every time they deny a request for treatment.
3) Every time they drop someone for getting sick.

Private care will continue to exist, just under better rules.
They won't go anywhere.
I have a pre-existing condition and have always and without exception been covered by my husband's private insurance when he has worked in the private sector. He is now working for himself and chooses to not have insurance.

[GregMartin]

Baaa haa haa haa!

Sarah Palin kicked the libtards' asses so hard, they spit mukluk leather.
Look at them sputter and spew all over this board. No Death Camps for You!

[timjy]

large insurance companies are not exactly mom n' pop stores
In business it is all relevant.The large insurance companies are mom and pops to a company that can make the rules and print all the money it needs.

[dad49er]

wrong...not manditory government "counseling"...

It wasn't mandatory.
Patients can refuse.
Requiring doctors to offer it is not mandatory if the patient can turn it down.

Under the line of thinking requiring doctors to use sterile instruments is mandatory government.
Should doctors not be required to do that?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

I have a pre-existing condition and have always and without exception been covered by my husband's private insurance when he has worked in the private sector. He is now working for himself and chooses to not have insurance.
I will match your personal anecdote with one of my own...my sister can't get a private insurance company to cover her because she has spina bifida.

[dad49er]

I have a pre-existing condition and have always and without exception been covered by my husband's private insurance when he has worked in the private sector. He is now working for himself and chooses to not have insurance.

Getting on as a dependent is different than getting on as the policy holder.

[timjy]

Baaa haa haa haa!

Sarah Palin kicked the libtards' asses so hard, they spit mukluk leather.
Look at them sputter and spew all over this board. No Death Camps for You!
If,and, but ,ha,err,private already,nothing will change.They are a little confused trying to push a bill that does not exist.I myself find it hard to vote for something that has not been created.Some just have blind faith i guess.

[ogibillm]

i still find it amazing that 'conservatives' after all the teri schiavo mess and all the ads for legal zoom's advance directives hocked by their favorite pundits have latched onto the one provision of the bill that would have made such provisions more available to everyone and turned it into some sort of bizarro 'death panel' discussion.

just goes to show that some people, like palin, will say damn near anything, truth be damned.

although i'm not sure which is worse, those that spread the lies like palin or those that are lazy and apathetic enough to fall for it.

[ksdb]

Here is the history of someone with a preexisting health condition trying to find coverage:

Denied.
Denied.
Denied.
Denied.

Companies will win customers on price, how easy they are to access, customer relations,etc.
You know, competition.
So what part of that improves with a Federal plan??

[ksdb]

i still find it amazing that 'conservatives' after all the teri schiavo mess and all the ads for legal zoom's advance directives hocked by their favorite pundits have latched onto the one provision of the bill that would have made such provisions more available to everyone and turned it into some sort of bizarro 'death panel' discussion.

just goes to show that some people, like palin, will say damn near anything, truth be damned..

The truth was enough to get the provision dropped. Deal with it.

[ogibillm]

The truth was enough to get the provision dropped. Deal with it.

there has been nothing truthful in any of palin's comments about health care reform.

and what problems do you have with people having access to advance directives?

[Henry Alden]

i still find it amazing that 'conservatives' after all the teri schiavo mess and all the ads for legal zoom's advance directives hocked by their favorite pundits have latched onto the one provision of the bill that would have made such provisions more available to everyone and turned it into some sort of bizarro 'death panel' discussion.

just goes to show that some people, like palin, will say damn near anything, truth be damned..

liberals wanted Terri Schiavo murdered...as if she was a ..er..fetus...

the truth got out in time to stop them.....

soylent green is old people..

[timjy]

i still find it amazing that 'conservatives' after all the teri schiavo mess and all the ads for legal zoom's advance directives hocked by their favorite pundits have latched onto the one provision of the bill that would have made such provisions more available to everyone and turned it into some sort of bizarro 'death panel' discussion.

just goes to show that some people, like palin, will say damn near anything, truth be damned.

although i'm not sure which is worse, those that spread the lies like palin or those that are lazy and apathetic enough to fall for it.
Good thing they took those lies out of the bill than.

[mkh]

:)) :)) :))

[ogibillm]

Good thing they took those lies out of the bill than.

wow. what was the problem you had with people having access to advance directive planning? do you not want people making decisions about their own health care?

[ksdb]

there has been nothing truthful in any of palin's comments about health care reform.

and what problems do you have with people having access to advance directives?

They have access now.

[dad49er]

So what part of that improves with a Federal plan??

People being able to get health insurance, even with a preexisisting condition.
And not being dropped for getting sick.

[FreeAndClear]

In business it is all relevant.The large insurance companies are mom and pops to a company that can make the rules and print all the money it needs.


Yes it is all relevant but there are plenty of industries where the government plays an active role, you like medicare where the insurance companies have not been bankrupted

[dad49er]

liberals wanted Terri Schiavo murdered...as if she was a ..er..fetus...

the truth got out in time to stop them.....

soylent green is old people..

And conservatives wanted federal intervention into a personal family decision.
What ever happened to "small government" and staying out of our lives?

[nebcon]

So I guess what this thread is telling everyone is, that there was no need to protest at these town halls, in fact it was wasted effort. We just needed to wait for two separate pronouncements from the Republican goddess of energy and light to smite the "death panels" from the bill. Never mind that there is no indication that age/cost based restrictions on care is completely removed.

[ogibillm]

They have access now.

as long as they have the money

[LouC]

Sarah Palin should get the Nobel Peace prize for saving millions of grandma lives.

The only thing more pathetic than that thread title is thinking that there might actually be people who would believe it.

[Mojotiger]

And conservatives wanted federal intervention into a personal family decision.
What ever happened to "small government" and staying out of our lives?

That would make one a racist, evil mongering, terrorist nazi.

[ogibillm]

So I guess what this thread is telling everyone is, that there was no need to protest at these town halls, in fact it was wasted effort. We just needed to wait for two separate pronouncements from the Republican goddess of energy and light to smite the "death panels" from the bill. Never mind that there is no indication that age/cost based restrictions on care is completely removed.

and the best part is the provision that was removed had absolutely nothing to do with age/cost based restrictions.

[Buffalo]

So I guess what this thread is telling everyone is, that there was no need to protest at these town halls, in fact it was wasted effort. We just needed to wait for two separate pronouncements from the Republican goddess of energy and light to smite the "death panels" from the bill. Never mind that there is no indication that age/cost based restrictions on care is completely removed.
Seems some people elevate their political favorites to messiah like levels.

[Mojotiger]

Seems some people elevate their political favorites to messiah like levels.

Messiah fight!

[Henry Alden]

Sarah Palin should get the Nobel Peace prize for saving millions of grandma lives.

The only thing more pathetic than that thread title is thinking that there might actually be people who would believe it.


so it's also not true that Obama was in favor of murdering babies who survived abortions???..

what is really pathetic is ..

is when does the dumbing down of Americans stop..??

I would think Senator Grassley knows more about the back room bill discussions than you do..

[Buffalo]

Messiah fight!
Now that would be entertaining, and no joke, I think Palin would win.

[Henry Alden]

And conservatives wanted federal intervention into a personal family decision.
What ever happened to "small government" and staying out of our lives?

The parents who loved Terri and wanted her life to be saved pleaded to the government who responded to her family's plea...her parents.

You don't want a government that repsonds to parents?

Remember, her so-called husband was shacking up with another woman and the kids they had together.....so he really was not her family..

[Henry Alden]

Now that would be entertaining, and no joke, I think Palin would win.


You betcha...

[Henry Alden]

I will match your personal anecdote with one of my own...my sister can't get a private insurance company to cover her because she has spina bifida.

I couldn't get an insurance company to give me home insurance while it was on fire. Can't blame them. It's a loser.

Pre-existing conditions are a challenge that needs to be fixed.

[ddye]

The parents who loved Terri and wanted her life to be saved pleaded to the government who responded to her family's plea...her parents.
Doesn't matter, her parents weren't the legal guardians. Like the Elián González situation, you cannot simply follow the law when it doesn't tug at your heart strings.

You don't want a government that repsonds to parents?
You "want" a coherent law, which the Florida Legislature was obviously incapable of writing. Once you get a coherent law, you follow it, no matter what.

Remember, her so-called husband was shacking up with another woman and the kids they had together.....so he really was not her family..
Irrelevant. Completely irrelevant.

Doug

[ksdb]

Seems some people elevate their political favorites to messiah like levels.
So it takes a messiah to win a Nobel Peace prize?? Algore??? Hmmmm.

[Mohawk5]

C'mon only honorable people like Al "GW" Gore get the NPP.

[Buffalo]

So it takes a messiah to win a Nobel Peace prize?? Algore??? Hmmmm.
huh?

[nebcon]

And conservatives wanted federal intervention into a personal family decision.
What ever happened to "small government" and staying out of our lives?

Which has been my question ever since I ceased being a Republican and registered as an independent. Oh they still talk a good game, but this blatant attempt to bolster their choice for president by giving her undue credit for any modification in this legislation, is partisan hackery at it's finest. And to think that they appeared so sincere in lauding those that spoke out in the true spirit of dissent.

[nebcon]

Seems some people elevate their political favorites to messiah like levels.

This cult like behavior is getting down right creepy. I remember seeing Romney and Huckabee supporters going at each other last year. Amusing but harmless. If this is how Palin supporters are going to behave during the next primaries, it doesn't matter how badly what's his name does, the GOP isn't going to be united in the least.

[nebcon]

huh?

Well this accomplishment is pretty much equivalent to getting an award for a slide show.

[ksdb]

huh?

Did you already forget what the thread title talked about??

[ksdb]

Which has been my question ever since I ceased being a Republican and registered as an independent. Oh they still talk a good game, but this blatant attempt to bolster their choice for president by giving her undue credit for any modification in this legislation, is partisan hackery at it's finest. And to think that they appeared so sincere in lauding those that spoke out in the true spirit of dissent.

Are you a Palin-hater obsessed with bringing her down?? You've failed to make a case for the end-of-life provision being removed on the basis of 'those that spoke out in the true spirit of dissent'. Those people have been dismissed by Nancy Pelosi as anti-American. There's been no unified message referring to the end-of-life provision. Then you introduce a bizarre comment about 'choice for president.' Where has that been mentioned in the thread??

[Buffalo]

Did you already forget what the thread title talked about??
My post had nothing to do with Nobel prizes and everything to do with the need to elevate political favorites to uber human status. Nebcon pointed out, and quite accurately, the dismissal of the real Americans who fought against this to make Palin out as some kind of wunderkind for posting a facebook note and making a crappy speech. Gore won a Nobel, so ****ing what. People who elevate that ********* are no different.

[timjy]

This cult like behavior is getting down right creepy. I remember seeing Romney and Huckabee supporters going at each other last year. Amusing but harmless. If this is how Palin supporters are going to behave during the next primaries, it doesn't matter how badly what's his name does, the GOP isn't going to be united in the least.
Independents voting for obama are now chewing on republicans for backing palin.If they would have voted for McCain at least we could have worked with him.

[nebcon]

Are you a Palin-hater obsessed with bringing her down??

No, but then according to the cult of Palin, anyone that says she has a hair out of place is one.

You've failed to make a case for the end-of-life provision being removed on the basis of 'those that spoke out in the true spirit of dissent'. Those people have been dismissed by Nancy Pelosi as anti-American.There is no indication from any story that I have read as to who made the decision to remove the provision. For all you know, Nancy Pelosi is upset about it, and she will make sure it is restored. If you really expect me to believe that two public statements on this by Sarah Palin has more impact than the emails and protests by the constituents of virtually every member of the house and Senate, then there is no arguing with you. There is a degree of irrationality that no amount of logic will combat.

There's been no unified message referring to the end-of-life provision. Then you introduce a bizarre comment about 'choice for president.' Where has that been mentioned in the thread??The "end of life" provision isn't the only wording that matters, nor is it the only thing that Palin objected to. I object to ANY language that would allow a policy maker or a group of policy makers to APPLY the Emmanual graph and system to the policies in the bill if passed into law. There is still plenty in the House and Senate versions to be concerned about in that regard.

The idea that she, and she alone has "saved" anyone from the provisions in this bill is nonsense. It is a blatant attempt to give her credit for something that she at best only deserves partial credit for.

In addition, don't even try to make the case that this isn't about bolstering her image to justify a presidential run. The supposition of the OP is dubious enough on it's own.

[ksdb]

My post had nothing to do with Nobel prizes and everything to do with the need to elevate political favorites to uber human status.
Except you didn't say whom has been elevated. The closest I could reckon was within the thread title. If you're talking about something different, by all means, tell us what that is.


Nebcon pointed out, and quite accurately, the dismissal of the real Americans who fought against this to make Palin out as some kind of wunderkind for posting a facebook note and making a crappy speech.
No real Americans were dismissed. There was no united effort against the death panels until Palin articulated it. Nice strawman, but that's about all.

Gore won a Nobel, so ****ing what. People who elevate that ********* are no different.
So now you do know what I was talking about.

[nebcon]

There was no united effort against the death panels until Palin articulated it. Nice strawman, but that's about all.

:lol: Proof?

Unbelievable. You people deserve McCain, Lieberman and Graham.

[ksdb]

No, but then according to the cult of Palin, anyone that says she has a hair out of place is one.
Good exaggeration. Let ignore that you've failed to contribute any real substance to this thread and have focused on knocking her down. Whatever.

There is no indication from any story that I have read as to who made the decision to remove the provision.
It was cited and quoted from the story in the OP.

For all you know, Nancy Pelosi is upset about it, and she will make sure it is restored. If you really expect me to believe that two public statements on this by Sarah Palin has more impact than the emails and protests by the constituents of virtually every member of the house and Senate, then there is no arguing with you.
The reporter who wrote the story admitted the truth because it was obvious. And what you don't give credit for is there have been real Americans who echoed Palin's concern to the point that the LMSM and Democrats have worked feverishly to discredit Palin's criticism.

There is a degree of irrationality that no amount of logic will combat.
Try introducing an amount of logic first, before you assume it will fail.

The "end of life" provision isn't the only wording that matters, nor is it the only thing that Palin objected to.
This has been acknowledged aplenty. Duh.

I object to ANY language that would allow a policy maker or a group of policy makers to APPLY the Emmanual graph and system to the policies in the bill if passed into law. There is still plenty in the House and Senate versions to be concerned about in that regard.

The idea that she, and she alone has "saved" anyone from the provisions in this bill is nonsense. It is a blatant attempt to give her credit for something that she at best only deserves partial credit for.
The bottom line is that she spoke and got results. Show us where anyone else was getting these kinds of results.

In addition, don't even try to make the case that this isn't about bolstering her image to justify a presidential run. The supposition of the OP is dubious enough on it's own.
If she proves herself to be a leader, then no amount of whining is going to change anything.

[dad49er]

That would make one a racist, evil mongering, terrorist nazi.

:))
Oh no!

[MustangGT]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.

Palin did a disservice to every elderly patient who's facing end of life decisions and could have received conseling at no cost if they needed help in putting their affairs in order and making other decisions regarding a living will etc.

[dad49er]

The parents who loved Terri and wanted her life to be saved pleaded to the government who responded to her family's plea...her parents.

You don't want a government that repsonds to parents?

Remember, her so-called husband was shacking up with another woman and the kids they had together.....so he really was not her family..

By law he was.

[timjy]

A nerve was struck today by Mrs palin. you betcha!:D bwaaa haaaa haaaa

[timjy]

Palin did a disservice to every elderly patient who's facing end of life decisions and could have receieved conseling at no cost if they needed help in putting their affairs in order and making other decisions regarding a living will etc.
At least now they will have end of life decisions.

[MustangGT]

At least now they will have end of life decisions.

Your post doesn't make any sense.

[Buffalo]

Except you didn't say whom has been elevated. The closest I could reckon was within the thread title. If you're talking about something different, by all means, tell us what that is. Palin. It was obvious. And many here do it. This thread is prime example, Palin did it!



No real Americans were dismissed. There was no united effort against the death panels until Palin articulated it. Nice strawman, but that's about all.Certainly they were. By every poster who attributes this provisions removal to one woman writing a facebook note and giving a crappy speech. And you elevate her once again here. She's all yours!


So now you do know what I was talking about.I knew who you were talking about from the beginning. Your post about Gore meant absolutely nothing. Hence the huh?


The fawning over Palin is the same as the fawning over Obama. If he's the messiah of the Dems, she's the answer for the GOP. **** the GOP.

[dad49er]

At least now they will have end of life decisions.

Oh please.
They always did.
And the provision wasn't going to change that.
They still have that in states where the provision already exists.

[nebcon]

Good exaggeration. Let ignore that you've failed to contribute any real substance to this thread and have focused on knocking her down. Whatever.


Hardly an exaggeration. Thread after thread proves, it doesn't matter where on the political spectrum you are, or how hard you try to respectfully disagree, you are labeled a hater and some sort of closet Liberal or worse. Get a damn grip.

I expressed my opinion that the OP's supposition and that of the story is false. I don't even want to know what you would consider substance, because I suspect it probably involves agreeing unconditionally.

It was cited and quoted from the story in the OP.
The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday.
Nope no specifics there, just the SENATE committee. Which Pelosi has no control over incidentally.


Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, ranking Republican on the committee, said the panel dropped the idea because it could be "misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly."
Grassley just said it happened. No other details.


For Democrats, the decision was an apparent acknowledgment that the provision had become a lightning rod for critics (as in plural) of a proposed overhaul of the U.S. healthcare system. Democratic lawmakers and President Obama are trying to extend health insurance to more people, rein in health costs and make other changes.

A similar provision remains in legislation that was passed by three House committees last month, and the idea could remain on the table when lawmakers move toward agreement on a final bill.
In other words, she hasn't saved anyone, and yes Pelosi does have control over that.


The reporter who wrote the story admitted the truth because it was obvious. And what you don't give credit for is there have been real Americans who echoed Palin's concern to the point that the LMSM and Democrats have worked feverishly to discredit Palin's criticism. This


Still, a week after first using the term on her Facebook page, Palin defended her claim this week with a new posting. And senators on the finance committee decided to get rid of the provision that appeared to be animating the claim.
Is NOT admitting that the two are exclusively connected. There is no proof offered that there is a direct connection.

This has been acknowledged aplenty. Duh.Similar language exists in the House bill and yet you claim victory. Now who isn't presenting any logic?

The bottom line is that she spoke and got results. Show us where anyone else was getting these kinds of results.If that is your proof of results, then this bill will pass with her or without her.

[dad49er]

:lol: Proof?

Unbelievable. You people deserve McCain, Lieberman and Graham.

Here:

False ‘Death Panel’ Rumor Has Some Familiar Roots

WASHINGTON — The stubborn yet false rumor that President Obama’s health care proposals would create government-sponsored “death panels” to decide which patients were worthy of living seemed to arise from nowhere in recent weeks.

Advanced even this week by Republican stalwarts including the party’s last vice-presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, and Charles E. Grassley, the veteran Iowa senator, the nature of the assertion nonetheless seemed reminiscent of the modern-day viral Internet campaigns that dogged Mr. Obama last year, falsely calling him a Muslim and questioning his nationality.

But the rumor — which has come up at Congressional town-hall-style meetings this week in spite of an avalanche of reports laying out why it was false — was not born of anonymous e-mailers, partisan bloggers or stealthy cyberconspiracy theorists.

Rather, it has a far more mainstream provenance, openly emanating months ago from many of the same pundits and conservative media outlets that were central in defeating President Bill Clinton’s health care proposals 16 years ago, including the editorial board of The Washington Times, the American Spectator magazine and Betsy McCaughey, whose 1994 health care critique made her a star of the conservative movement (and ultimately, New York’s lieutenant governor).

The specter of government-sponsored, forced euthanasia was raised as early as Nov. 23, just weeks after the election and long before any legislation had been drafted, by an outlet decidedly opposed to Mr. Obama, The Washington Times.

In an editorial, the newspaper reminded its readers of the Aktion T4 program of Nazi Germany in which “children and adults with disabilities, and anyone anywhere in the Third Reich was subject to execution who was blind, deaf, senile, retarded, or had any significant neurological condition.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html?no_interstitial

[nebcon]

Here:

False ‘Death Panel’ Rumor Has Some Familiar Roots

WASHINGTON — The stubborn yet false rumor that President Obama’s health care proposals would create government-sponsored “death panels” to decide which patients were worthy of living seemed to arise from nowhere in recent weeks.

Advanced even this week by Republican stalwarts including the party’s last vice-presidential nominee, Sarah Palin, and Charles E. Grassley, the veteran Iowa senator, the nature of the assertion nonetheless seemed reminiscent of the modern-day viral Internet campaigns that dogged Mr. Obama last year, falsely calling him a Muslim and questioning his nationality.

But the rumor — which has come up at Congressional town-hall-style meetings this week in spite of an avalanche of reports laying out why it was false — was not born of anonymous e-mailers, partisan bloggers or stealthy cyberconspiracy theorists.

Rather, it has a far more mainstream provenance, openly emanating months ago from many of the same pundits and conservative media outlets that were central in defeating President Bill Clinton’s health care proposals 16 years ago, including the editorial board of The Washington Times, the American Spectator magazine and Betsy McCaughey, whose 1994 health care critique made her a star of the conservative movement (and ultimately, New York’s lieutenant governor).

The specter of government-sponsored, forced euthanasia was raised as early as Nov. 23, just weeks after the election and long before any legislation had been drafted, by an outlet decidedly opposed to Mr. Obama, The Washington Times.

In an editorial, the newspaper reminded its readers of the Aktion T4 program of Nazi Germany in which “children and adults with disabilities, and anyone anywhere in the Third Reich was subject to execution who was blind, deaf, senile, retarded, or had any significant neurological condition.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html?no_interstitial

Though it would be no surpise to you that I disagree as to the danger of such wording in the legislation, clearly the opposition to that particular part of this, did not originate with Sarah Palin, nor was it any less apparent before she talked about it.

[dad49er]

Though it would be no surpise to you that I disagree as to the danger of such wording in the legislation, clearly the opposition to that particular part of this, did not originate with Sarah Palin, nor was it any less apparent before she talked about it.

Bingo.

[johnTD]

I've said it before and I said it again, the republican's bread and butter is ignorance. Can't have an informed populous. So lets cheer when a bill which would mandate discussing, informing, or creating AD is removed. I am constantly amazed...

[ksdb]

Hardly an exaggeration. Thread after thread proves, it doesn't matter where on the political spectrum you are, or how hard you try to respectfully disagree, you are labeled a hater and some sort of closet Liberal or worse. Get a damn grip.
You didn't just respectfully disagree. You've tried to impugn the people who give credit for Palin's efforts, ignoring that it was done by the mainstream press and not just Palin supporters for whom you said: "My God, anything to prop her up and make her look like a hero." If you disagreed, you should have said others deserve credit too and explained why you thought so. So yes, your complaints have been wild exaggerations of the truth.



I expressed my opinion that the OP's supposition and that of the story is false.
You went beyond that and told posters they should be embarrassed. Again, this is more than stating an opinion about the topic.


I don't even want to know what you would consider substance, because I suspect it probably involves agreeing unconditionally.
Not at all. Just support your point with some substance and lay off the personal characterizations of those you disagree with.


Nope no specifics there, just the SENATE committee. Which Pelosi has no control over incidentally.
What does Pelosi do with it??

Grassley just said it happened. No other details.
He said they responded to the criticism of the language in the bill and acknowledged it could be enacted incorrectly. He's implying it was a collective decision to remove the provision in response to well-deserved criticism.

In other words, she hasn't saved anyone, and yes Pelosi does have control over that.
Palin hasn't stopped attacking the bill. If the committee folded once, they can do it again.

This

Is NOT admitting that the two are exclusively connected. There is no proof offered that there is a direct connection.
It's in the same paragraph. If they were about unrelated concepts, the writer would start a new paragraph. Sorry, your explanation is a fail.

Similar language exists in the House bill and yet you claim victory. Now who isn't presenting any logic?
One provision was removed in response to criticism. That is A victory.

If that is your proof of results, then this bill will pass with her or without her.
With missing provisions that give it any usefulness?? Good luck with that.

[nebcon]

I've said it before and I said it again, the republican's bread and butter is ignorance. Can't have an informed populous. So lets cheer when a bill which would mandate discussing, informing, or creating AD is removed. I am constantly amazed...

Be cocky if you like, there is no Constitutional basis for this legislation, regardless of what the partisans try to make out of it for their own benefit.

[dad49er]

Be cocky if you like, there is no Constitutional basis for this legislation, regardless of what the partisans try to make out of it for their own benefit.

I do admire you're persistence in that.

[johnTD]

Be cocky if you like, there is no Constitutional basis for this legislation, regardless of what the partisans try to make out of it for their own benefit.

I guess that all depends on how you interrupt Article i section 8

[jwil59]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.


It wasn't her. people were getting loud about this long before she weighed

[hailreagan]

I've said it before and I said it again, the republican's bread and butter is ignorance. Can't have an informed populous. So lets cheer when a bill which would mandate discussing, informing, or creating AD is removed. I am constantly amazed...


The populous is already informed. We already do this. Why do you advocate charging a fee for it? Why should it cost anything to discuss your wishes?

[wildcat87]

Ah, how I love party unity....


"It does us no good to incite fear in people by saying that there's these end-of-life provisions, these death panels," Murkowski told a crowd this week. "Quite honestly, I'm so offended at that terminology, because it absolutely isn't" in the bill.

[johnTD]

The populous is already informed. We already do this. Why do you advocate charging a fee for it? Why should it cost anything to discuss your wishes?

Have you ever been to the doctor? They are worse then lawyers when it comes to fees. I have to go to one dr to get permission to go to another dr. Hell they charge me the gloves they wear during exams. Change the bill to require it and make it free, i'm for that.

[Stricken]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.

Yep....you are so right. The Iquiterod-in-chief, Sarah Palin, single handedly brought about the end of the "death panel":rolleyes: with a couple of facebook posts and a lame speech.

The reality is she just cost the American people a potential $33 billion in savings that could have been derived from proper life planning. According to who you say? One of your own....

More than 20 percent of all Medicare spending occurs in the last two months of life. Gundersen Lutheran Health System in La Crosse, Wisconsin has developed a successful end-of-life, best practice that combines: 1) community-wide advance care planning, where 90 percent of patients have advance directives; 2) hospice and palliative care; and 3) coordination of services through an electronic medical record. The Gundersen approach empowers patients and families to control and direct their care. The Dartmouth Health Atlas has documented that Gundersen delivers care at a 30 percent lower rate than the national average ($18,359 versus $25,860). If Gundersen's approach was used to care for the approximately 4.5 million Medicare beneficiaries who die every year, Medicare could save more than $33 billion a year.

http://views.washingtonpost.com/healthcarerx/panelists/2009/07/right-gingrich.html

Way to go Moosekateer!!!! Reps/Cons should be oh so proud! :rolleyes:

Stricken

[dad49er]

It wasn't her. people were getting loud about this long before she weighed

Clear back to 1993.
More recently Nov 08'.

[thr3]

Well if Kissinger et al can win one, why the hell should Palin not get one also!

[nebcon]

I guess that all depends on how you interrupt Article i section 8

General welfare was never meant to mean this, even with Hamilton's interpretation. It makes no sense for the founders to repudiate the colonial British for their highly centralized oppressive system, and then turn around and advocate nullifying everything else in the Constitution including the tenth amendment, by giving the federal government a blank check to be as centralized as they saw fit.

You can't take that section on it's own without also referring to the preamble, which uses the words "provide" and "promote". They don't mean the same thing and the founders knew it. The federal government can "provide" for the common defense and "promote" the general welfare, but promote does not mean provide. No independent writings of the founders support that. "commerce", "common defense" and "general welfare" have been stretched beyond all reasoning for decades by all three branches of government including the judicial branch. This measure is no exception.

[darknessesedge]

wonder if We the People can wrestle the prez freedoms medal away from teddy kennedy and give it to palin?

[nebcon]

Well if Kissinger et al can win one, why the hell should Palin not get one also!

Because this is our country and it matters how it is run not just what party is in control. It's not about giving everybody a turn on the playground swing.

[MustangGT]

wonder if We the People can wrestle the prez freedoms medal away from teddy kennedy and give it to palin?

Palin doesn't even believe what she said regarding death panels.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/vp/32411068#32411068

[Henry Alden]

It wasn't her. people were getting loud about this long before she weighed



oh....you better believe it was her brilliant branding the death panels as such that made them politically dead.

Grandma lives.. :clap:

[jwil59]

oh....you better believe it was her brilliant branding the death panels as such that made them politically dead.

Grandma lives.. :clap:

:rolleyes:

[nebcon]

oh....you better believe it was her brilliant branding the death panels as such that made them politically dead.

Grandma lives.. :clap:

Somebody get a bucket....I'm going to throw up

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/ccr65/post_resource/terryjones_MOL.jpg

[Henry Alden]

Somebody get a bucket....I'm going to throw up

http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o362/ccr65/post_resource/terryjones_MOL.jpg

better get a huge bucket...you ain't seen nuthing yet...:dance:

[DLaw911]

You owe me a keyboard and a new spleen.Me too! I could not even quote the OP for fear of being banned.

[DLaw911]

Seriously, I am confident there are plenty of well qualified Republican women who would make a great President. Why is Sarah Palin getting so much press time? Why are people interested in what she has to say? She's like a bad TV reality wreck show.

[ksdb]

Seriously, I am confident there are plenty of well qualified Republican women who would make a great President. Why is Sarah Palin getting so much press time? Why are people interested in what she has to say? She's like a bad TV reality wreck show.

Have you been following HillaryVision lately??

[DLaw911]

Have you been following HillaryVision lately??Let me be totally honest. I don't gave a dern toot about politics. Nothing I can do about it except suffer. No matter who is President, or my representative, I consider that and those persons to be total crooks. Hillary, Bush, Obama, Palin, Biden, etc --- total lying crooks and bums. I only talk about them and debate their issues here because it's fun. But for these discussions I am totally apathetic to what they do and I pay my taxes like a good little boy.

[Darkblade]

i think she should get one for the ability to make liberals heads explode like in the movie "Scanners." Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter should get one too :)

[Henry Alden]

i think she should get one for the ability to make liberals heads explode like in the movie "Scanners." Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter should get one too :)


That two..
Conservative blacks and women just make the libs go nuts
Don't they know they are victims who need to be saved by government intervention?? :mrgreen:

[croupier101]

i think she should get one for the ability to make liberals heads explode like in the movie "Scanners." Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter should get one too :)

That would have been funny.....but it sort of went the other way on ya. Sorry.

[Sinister Rouge]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

"A Senate panel has decided to scrap the part of its healthcare bill that in recent days has given rise to fears of government "death panels," with one lawmaker suggesting the proposal was just too confusing.

The Senate Finance Committee is taking the idea of advance care planning consultations with doctors off the table as it works to craft its version of healthcare legislation, a Democratic committee aide said Thursday."


Looks like she killed the death panels before they were able to take a single life.

We will never know how many millions of lives she saved.

The liberal Nazis are still angry she did not abort her child.

They want to kll life at the beginning and at the end of the cycles.

God Bless Sarah Palin for having the courage to win this fight.

The Liar-in-chief is heading west but this Nazi like procedure is now off the table thanks to her.



:rolleyes: