It's about time: conservatives using liberal protest tactics

[skprtod914]

Rush got a caller today who was apparently from the Philadelphia Tea Party. He (the caller) said that his group organized the protest at the town hall meeting where Specter and Sibelius were heckled about health care. Rush had also gotten a caller earlier this week, who said that MSNBC was claiming that the protests at town hall meetings were organized by right-wing groups bringing protesters to the town hall meetings. In response, Rush had said that he didn't believe that, but if it was true then it was about time conservative started using grass roots protest tactics, when liberals use what he called "rent a mob" tactics to accomplish their goals. He also stated that the current movement is a grass roots effort, unlike the rent-a-mobs of the left.
Now I would say it appears that some of that is going on, from the caller today. And though I disagree with the anger in the protests, I would say it is excellent that people are letting Democrats know, at their own town hall meetings, that we won't stand for nationalized health care. It's about time we started using grass-roots methods for protesting. It's about time Al Sharpton wasn't the top bullhorn user. And it's about time we started hitting Democrats where they least expect it, at town hall meetings in liberal districts.
This is what the caller yesterday said:

Anyway, I'm calling because I was listening to your program driving Friday, and I heard about your Democrats facing horrors at town halls. And then I listened to Richard Wolffe on MSNBC, and he informed me that most of these town hall hoopla is coming from an organization. Well, actually it's right-wing organization, and they are in cahoots with insurance companies, and it's the same group that has orchestrated the tea bags (sic) and that most of this is all orchestrated, that some of the individuals are being bussed to these town hall meetings for Democrats and, uh, and um, they're being told to be disruptive, they're being instructed how to logistically stand in different portions of the room so that they, uh... They get more bang for their buck, and I was wondering if you had heard about that.


Hear is what rush said in response:

RUSH: About *** time! We have had groups like ACORN and Democrat rent-a-mobs making up excuses and lying about things they oppose to effect public policy for years while people like me haven't had time because we work. We do not protest for a living. We do not rent ourselves out to be part of mobs. So, if this is actually an orchestrated event, then I'm glad somebody on our side is getting in gear. I don't happen to believe it 'cause I happen to see the polls -- and I know what Richard Wolffe and NBC are doing, Chris. They're trying to cover for Obama. These people are not "reporting" anything about the health care program. They are repeating what they hear from the White House and from people there: Rahm Emanuel; Robert Gibbs, press secretary; Obama himself. It's the definition of propaganda. It's the definition of state-controlled media.



And also:

And if their transportation is being facilitated, it's about *** time. You gotta take these people on the way they play the game. The aggressor sets the rules in a conflict.

[Vaard]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......

[skprtod914]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......
Why are you so determined to embarrass Republicans who read your posts? And how exactly are Democrats being threatened? And when 53% of the American people are opposed to Obama's health care plan, that is not astroturfing. I do not believe Rush wants to use "thug" tactics, but he wants protests at the grass roots level. That is his main point, I believe. Your comment also pointed out to me that I misquoted Rush, and I edited the OP accordingly.

[Thanatos144]

well lets see if liberals can handle the truth of what the people really think.

[Getty Girl]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......

What 'thug tactics' are being used now?

Why are only the dems allowed to protest?

[Czhorat]

The obvious pride some on the right are showing on this thread provides an interesting counterpoint to the simmering rage elsewhere on this board over people on the left suggesting that these protests are organized.

[CutRunSurrender]

What 'thug tactics' are being used now?

Why are only the dems allowed to protest?

Oh, no, you're allowed to protest...


But we may just have to call y'all unpatriotic and such.

[Vaard]

Of course, because you can't resist what you see as an opportunity to embarrass Republicans who read your posts. And how exactly are Democrats being threatened? And when 53% of the American people are opposed to Obama's health care plan, that is not astroturfing. I do not believe Rush wants to use "thug" tactics, but he wants protests at the grass roots level. That is his main point, I believe.

well, its not hard to embarrass republicans when they are such blantant hypocrites with such strong cases of ODS.......

they are bien gno more threatened than when dems screamed at repubs during town hall meetings or code pink started yelling during speeches.....

no.. astroturfing is when something portrays itself as a grass roots effort when it is actually lobyists or corporate sponsored... it makes no difference what percent of people disagree with it......

no.. his main point (if your OP summed it up correctly) is that rush is glad that dems are using the tactics that he used to deride the dems for doing when republicans were in power..... hence being ok wiht "rent a mob" tactics.......

[kat]

Oh, no, you're allowed to protest...


But we may just have to call y'all unpatriotic and such.

Be my guest. :rolleyes:

[kat]

Rush got a caller today who was apparently from the Philadelphia Tea Party. He (the caller) said that his group organized the protest at the town hall meeting where Specter and Sibelius were heckled about health care. Rush had also gotten a caller earlier this week, who said that MSNBC was claiming that the protests at town hall meetings were organized by right-wing groups bringing protesters to the town hall meetings. In response, Rush had said that he didn't believe that, but if it was true then it was about time conservative started using grass roots protest tactics, when liberals use what he called "rent a mob" tactics to accomplish their goals. He also stated that the current movement is a grass roots effort, unlike the rent-a-mobs of the left.
Now I would say it appears that some of that is going on, from the caller today. And though I disagree with the anger in the protests, I would say it is excellent that people are letting Democrats know, at their own town hall meetings, that we won't stand for nationalized health care. It's about time we started using grass-roots methods for protesting. It's about time Al Sharpton wasn't the top bullhorn user. And it's about time we started hitting Democrats where they least expect it, at town hall meetings in liberal districts.


I'm tellin ya........... people are super ****ed! I seen it today in a group of strangers I engaged in some conversation.

They are FIRED UP AND READY TO THROW DOWN!


LET'S ROLL! :flag:

[skprtod914]

well, its not hard to embarrass republicans when they are such blantant hypocrites with such strong cases of ODS.......

they are bien gno more threatened than when dems screamed at repubs during town hall meetings or code pink started yelling during speeches.....

no.. astroturfing is when something portrays itself as a grass roots effort when it is actually lobyists or corporate sponsored... it makes no difference what percent of people disagree with it......

no.. his main point (if your OP summed it up correctly) is that rush is glad that dems are using the tactics that he used to deride the dems for doing when republicans were in power..... hence being ok wiht "rent a mob" tactics.......

And I know of no evidence that the Tea Parties are funded from corporate sources or lobbyists, or have any association with them.

As I said in my edit of the OP, Rush contrasted the conservative movement as a real grass roots effort, as opposed to the liberal tactics. Here is what Rush said, from his trasnscript:

RUSH: About *** time! We have had groups like ACORN and Democrat rent-a-mobs making up excuses and lying about things they oppose to effect public policy for years while people like me haven't had time because we work. We do not protest for a living. We do not rent ourselves out to be part of mobs. So, if this is actually an orchestrated event, then I'm glad somebody on our side is getting in gear. I don't happen to believe it 'cause I happen to see the polls -- and I know what Richard Wolffe and NBC are doing, Chris. They're trying to cover for Obama. These people are not "reporting" anything about the health care program. They are repeating what they hear from the White House and from people there: Rahm Emanuel; Robert Gibbs, press secretary; Obama himself. It's the definition of propaganda. It's the definition of state-controlled media.

[Gengar]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......

Funny... I remember these tactics, when used against Bush, were called "patriotic expressions of dissent".

My. How things change when its your man.

[SisterMary]

Oh, no, you're allowed to protest...


But we may just have to call y'all unpatriotic and such.
As long as we don't dress up or smell good, I guess it will be okay.

[mboncher]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......
it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......

It used to be that when the Israelites were new in the Promised Land, they would be attacked on the Sabbath because they would not fight back in fear of violating the sabbath. It took only a short time to realize that if you do not defend yourself, regardless of the day, you will soon be gone. So they fought back, and survived and finally conquered.

It's nice to see that the libs are admitting their tactics are thuggish, now that they face them. Once again, Boncher's Maxim is proven.

[Gengar]

well, its not hard to embarrass republicans when they are such blantant hypocrites with such strong cases of ODS.......

they are bien gno more threatened than when dems screamed at repubs during town hall meetings or code pink started yelling during speeches.....

no.. astroturfing is when something portrays itself as a grass roots effort when it is actually lobyists or corporate sponsored... it makes no difference what percent of people disagree with it......

no.. his main point (if your OP summed it up correctly) is that rush is glad that dems are using the tactics that he used to deride the dems for doing when republicans were in power..... hence being ok wiht "rent a mob" tactics.......

Let's see your proof that they are paid lobbyists. :)

Just because you want to believe it (I mean... nobody would really protest Obama, right? lmao), and because Pelosi tells you, doesn't make it true. Now if only you could prove it... Good luck with that.

[SisterMary]

Funny... I remember these tactics, when used against Bush, were called "patriotic expressions of dissent".

My. How things change when its your man.
I seem to remember a particularly schrill and screeching Hillary shouting that very thing! "We have a right to..."yada yada yada.

[CutRunSurrender]

Be my guest. :rolleyes:

See, that's the thing. I was kidding. You don't call someone unpatriotic for raising policy objections. No one is actually calling anybody unpatriotic here.

But simply shouting? That's how I'd expect a bunch of 4 year-olds to act.

How about asking intelligent questions? Or are you afraid of what the truth may actually be?

[kat]

See, that's the thing. I was kidding. You don't call someone unpatriotic for raising policy objections. No one is actually calling anybody unpatriotic here.

But simply shouting? That's how I'd expect a bunch of 4 year-olds to act.

How about asking intelligent questions? Or are you afraid of what the truth may actually be?


Oh I KNOW you can't call this uprising unpatriotic. iIcan't think of anything more patriotic than Americans fighting for their God given rights. What better way to honor our Founders and Framers who bled and died for our liberty than to hold our representatives accountable and make our voices heard. To quote Mark Levin.......... Paul Revere didn't whisper!


How about the reps ANSWER the questions for a change huh?

[CutRunSurrender]

Oh I KNOW you can't call this uprising unpatriotic. iIcan't think of anything more patriotic than Americans fighting for their God given rights. What better way to honor our Founders and Framers who bled and died for our liberty than to hold our representatives accountable and make our voices heard. To quote Mark Levin.......... Paul Revere didn't whisper!


How about the reps ANSWER the questions for a change huh?

Well, these town halls would seem to be just about the best place.

I don't see any of these folks asking deep, intelligent questions, though. Just holding up bibles, screaming about how the gov't is going to kill seniors.

Nobody asked Congressman Doggett to explain why their private insurance would not likely be affected, except maybe in a positive way.

Nobody asked Secretary Sebelius to go into detail about how costs would be controlled going forward.

Apparently, your old reliable ESP has already given you the answers.

[kat]

Well, these town halls would seem to be just about the best place.

I don't see any of these folks asking deep, intelligent questions, though. Just holding up bibles, screaming about how the gov't is going to kill seniors.

Nobody asked Congressman Doggett to explain why their private insurance would not likely be affected, except maybe in a positive way.

Nobody asked Secretary Sebelius to go into detail about how costs would be controlled going forward.

Apparently, your old reliable ESP has already given you the answers.


The videos i watched people didn't get upset until they were lied to. then it was game on and the LIARS deserve it. Not our fault they can''t stand behind the lies and fool the people.

Maybe they just need to be better liars eh?

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

Rush got a caller today who was apparently from the Philadelphia Tea Party. He (the caller) said that his group organized the protest at the town hall meeting where Specter and Sibelius were heckled about health care. Rush had also gotten a caller earlier this week, who said that MSNBC was claiming that the protests at town hall meetings were organized by right-wing groups bringing protesters to the town hall meetings. In response, Rush had said that he didn't believe that, but if it was true then it was about time conservative started using grass roots protest tactics, when liberals use what he called "rent a mob" tactics to accomplish their goals. He also stated that the current movement is a grass roots effort, unlike the rent-a-mobs of the left.
Now I would say it appears that some of that is going on, from the caller today. And though I disagree with the anger in the protests, I would say it is excellent that people are letting Democrats know, at their own town hall meetings, that we won't stand for nationalized health care. It's about time we started using grass-roots methods for protesting. It's about time Al Sharpton wasn't the top bullhorn user. And it's about time we started hitting Democrats where they least expect it, at town hall meetings in liberal districts.
This is what the caller yesterday said:




Hear is what rush said in response:





And also:

And if their transportation is being facilitated, it's about *** time. You gotta take these people on the way they play the game. The aggressor sets the rules in a conflict.

How quickly we forget the Florida "Brooks Brothers riots."

[FreeAndClear]

well, these town halls would seem to be just about the best place.

I don't see any of these folks asking deep, intelligent questions, though. Just holding up bibles, screaming about how the gov't is going to kill seniors.

Nobody asked congressman doggett to explain why their private insurance would not likely be affected, except maybe in a positive way.

Nobody asked secretary sebelius to go into detail about how costs would be controlled going forward.

Apparently, your old reliable esp has already given you the answers.

+1

[mboncher]

Oh, no, you're allowed to protest...


But we may just have to call y'all unpatriotic and such.
When you have no concept of what patriotism is, your words have no power.

Nothing but borrowed words with no meaning. Noise and foolishness.

[CutRunSurrender]

When you have no concept of what patriotism is, your words have no power.

Nothing but borrowed words with no meaning. Noise and foolishness.

Turn on your sarcasm detector. I was joking. No one's unpatriotic merely for protesting, be it against health care reform or a misguided military operation.

When the large majority of these crowds refuses to ask probing questions, the tactic is exposed as a meager attempt to stall.

[Manager]

The lib media lives in their own fake world.

At least the real people of America, and I don't care what party you are from or who you voted for, I am just glad we are waking the hell up and actually doing something about it...

[jwil59]

Funny... I remember these tactics, when used against Bush, were called "patriotic expressions of dissent".

My. How things change when its your man.

BOTH sides are proving themselves hypocrites on this one. It's about what I have come to expect through.

As far as my personal support, I am behind the folks protesting the health care plan. I would not go to a meeting and be disruptive though. From watching the protests at the town halls it don't seem like much was accomplished with all the hostility. None of the tough questions were asked and answered, just a bunch of yelling. The holes in Obama's health care plan need to be exposed, not yelled at. Just my opinion

[mboncher]

Turn on your sarcasm detector. I was joking. No one's unpatriotic merely for protesting, be it against health care reform or a misguided military operation.

When the large majority of these crowds refuses to ask probing questions, the tactic is exposed as a meager attempt to stall.
I'm sorry, I didn't see the sarcasm tag. Too many people here say those things seriously. If I was wrong in that, I apologize.

[tinydancer]

My new mantra:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Democrat.

I WANT YOU TO ARGUE WITH THEM AND GET IN THEIR FACE :angel:

It's kinda catchy don't you think?

I think it would be wise for someone to organize thousands of "Obama as a joker "flyers to be put up the night before every town hall.

Ideally put these up all along the routes that a politician might drive thru.

You have to unnerve these politicians.

[jwil59]

The videos i watched people didn't get upset until they were lied to. then it was game on and the LIARS deserve it. Not our fault they can''t stand behind the lies and fool the people.

Maybe they just need to be better liars eh?

I could not tell what anyone was saying because of all the yelling.

Consider that we need to gain support among the populace, not yell at the politicians. Most Americans don't keep up with this stuff like we do so they need to be educated. When those people watched those news reports all they saw was a bunch of yelling and that ain't gonna change anyone's mind. They didn't learn a thing about how bad Obama's health care plan will be for them. These tactics are not going to work. The notion that all this yelling and screaming is going to scare the Democrats is nothing but a joke. They don't care what a bunch of angry cons have to say

ROLL TIDE

[skprtod914]

BOTH sides are proving themselves hypocrites on this one. It's about what I have come to expect through.

As far as my personal support, I am behind the folks protesting the health care plan. I would not go to a meeting and be disruptive though. From watching the protests at the town halls it don't seem like much was accomplished with all the hostility. None of the tough questions were asked and answered, just a bunch of yelling. The holes in Obama's health care plan need to be exposed, not yelled at. Just my opinion

So far, I've heard tough questions in every sound bite I've heard. The people, despite their anger, are doing a fine job of exposing the plan. Like the woman who wold Kieth Ellison (I believe it was) that she would rather go bankrupt than lose her father, and Ellison said that people take care of the elderly often because of a "guilt trap".He thus exposed part of the reform plan for what it is... a way to neglect proper care of the elderly for convenience.

[jwil59]

My new mantra:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Democrat.

I WANT YOU TO ARGUE WITH THEM AND GET IN THEIR FACE :angel:

It's kinda catchy don't you think?

I think it would be wise for someone to organize thousands of "Obama as a joker "flyers to be put up the night before every town hall.

Ideally put these up all along the routes that a politician might drive thru.

You have to unnerve these politicians.

You think that is going to unnerve the Democrats about health care???

Gimme a break, they are dug in. It won't work, it will just make our side look like a bunch of ****ed off rednecks

[tinydancer]

Oh and if I can make another suggestion, if you are having a town hall make sure you have a petition signed by as many people as possible to deliver to your representative.

And most importantly, someone should come up with a pledge for every REPUBLICAN rep
to sign and commit to not supporting a Democrat bill on this.

And clearly let them know that they better live up to that pledge or you will actively pursue the demise of their political career with a passion.

[skprtod914]

You think that is going to unnerve the Democrats about health care???

Gimme a break, they are dug in. It won't work, it will just make our side look like a bunch of ****ed off rednecks

Why should we be afraid of that? When as I said before, the problems with the Democrat agenda are being exposed? And especially when 53% of the people are against the Democrats' plan?

And how exactly are conservatives showing themselves "hypocrites" with this?

[jwil59]

So far, I've heard tough questions in every sound bite I've heard. The people, despite their anger, are doing a fine job of exposing the care. Like the woman who wold Kieth Ellison (I believe it was) that she would rather go bankrupt than lose her father, and Ellison said that people take care of the elderly often because of a "guilt trap".He thus exposed part of the reform plan for what it is... a way to neglect proper care of the elderly for convenience.

You must have seen different clips than I did. At the Spector meeting, neither side was heard

Ok yall have at, lose this fight if you want. When it's all over I ain't gonna say I told you so, but I did

[jwil59]

Why should we be afraid of that? When as I said before, the problems with the Democrat agenda are being exposed? And especially when 53% of the people are against the Democrats' plan?

And how exactly are conservatives showing themselves "hypocrites" with this?

We should not be afraid of anything my friend, I just think we can make our point better without all the hostility. hey man we are on the same side, I don't want to lose again.

yall thought all that wright, ayers nonesense was goona win the election and I told you about that too.

Don't get defensive my friend, we are on the same side

Whe the Democrats disrupted Bush's meetings and speeches yall called them unpatriotic and everything else, but you now say those same tactics are good for you. That's hypocracy any way you slice it. Feel free to disagree but you will be wasting your valuable time trying to convince me different

[Mohawk5]

Of course it's about time that Conservative used different tactics. I know it's working because libs are busy frothing at the mouth!

[CutRunSurrender]

I'm sorry, I didn't see the sarcasm tag. Too many people here say those things seriously. If I was wrong in that, I apologize.

No need to apologize.

This whole situation has just been painted in an irresponsible fashion.

Raising questions, and having a deep, rationed discussion about this is absolutely necessary.

Now, given what I've read and heard, I personally believe that while not perfect, a public option would, at the minimum, turn the screws on private insurers to offer better business models. That's a very, VERY, good thing.

And again, I have questions and concerns about this plan too. I wouldn't be heartbroken, for instance, if tort reform were somehow addressed (not holding my breath of course). The way to elicit information, though, is not simply shouting at the top of your lungs.

[jwil59]

Of course it's about time that Conservative used different tactics. I know it's working because libs are busy frothing at the mouth!

Who cares what the libs are doing.

can you people not see that ****ing them off more by acting like angry rednecks is not going to change any minds.

have at it, lose again

[mboncher]

So far, I've heard tough questions in every sound bite I've heard. The people, despite their anger, are doing a fine job of exposing the plan. Like the woman who wold Kieth Ellison (I believe it was) that she would rather go bankrupt than lose her father, and Ellison said that people take care of the elderly often because of a "guilt trap".He thus exposed part of the reform plan for what it is... a way to neglect proper care of the elderly for convenience.
Yep. They played clips of that on the Jason Lewis show too in the TC. Love Ellison's response. "Okay, good. Now another question?"

such hacks.

[skprtod914]

You must have seen different clips than I did. At the Spector meeting, neither side was heard

Here is the transcript of the Specter/Sibelius exchange, from Rush's transcript:

MAN: My question to you is when congressmen stop at the notion of reading legislation because they aren't qualified or they aren't competent to understand it, how can we be confident that those congressmen are competent to reengineer the entire health care system?

AUDIENCE: (cheering)

SEBELIUS: I am... I am not a member of Congress, have never been one.

AUDIENCE: (grumbling)

SEBELIUS: That's just a fact. I've just -- I'm just telling you.

MAN: You don't have to have been!

SEBELIUS: My observation is, I have never seen members of Congress work harder and it -- it is acceptable to me for somebody --

AUDIENCE: (boos and angry shouts)

SEBELIUS: Hours and hours and hours and hours have been spent. If people say they haven't read the legislation, then tell 'em to go back and read it. It's available.


SPECTER: We divide up the bill. We have to make judgments very fast...

AUDIENCE: (shouts and booing)

SPECTER: Every bill was read fully and understood by me before I voted.

AUDIENCE: (booing)

SEBELIUS: The Senate bill isn't written, so don't boot the senator for not reading a bill that isn't written!

Ok yall have at, lose this fight if you want. When it's all over I ain't gonna say I told you so, but I did


You are speaking prematurely, the way the polls are.
With

[tinydancer]

You think that is going to unnerve the Democrats about health care???

Gimme a break, they are dug in. It won't work, it will just make our side look like a bunch of ****ed off rednecks

This President is asking Americans to "snitch" to be informants on their fellow Americans.

Doesn't this disturb you?

You want to play nice in the sandbox by all means go ahead. Look how far it got Republicans in the last two election cycles.

[toreyj01]

How quickly we forget the Florida "Brooks Brothers riots."

These handsome chaps?

http://www.americanpolitics.com/whiteriot.gif

[jwil59]

Here is the transcript of the Specter/Sibelius exchange, from Rush's transcript:






You are speaking prematurely, the way the polls are.
With

They were screaming at Spector as he answered, that ain't gonna accomplish nothing.


I would have to respectfully disagree that it is all the yelling that has made the polls what they are.

[skprtod914]

We should not be afraid of anything my friend, I just think we can make our point better without all the hostility. hey man we are on the same side, I don't want to lose again.

I agree, the hostility is wrong. But we are constructively exposing the Democrat agenda, despite the hostility.

yall thought all that wright, ayers nonesense was goona win the election and I told you about that too.

Our problem was that there wasn't enough focus on policy through consistently driving home a simple message.

Don't get defensive my friend, we are on the same side

Whe the Democrats disrupted Bush's meetings and speeches yall called them unpatriotic and everything else, but you now say those same tactics are good for you. That's hypocracy any way you slice it. Feel free to disagree but you will be wasting your valuable time trying to convince me different

Did the likes of Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan ask tough questions? Were they informed? Did they ask about specific policy ideas from Bush? Seems to me they just ranted.

[toreyj01]

I think its perfectly acceptable for Conservatives to use liberal tactics for protest, even though as the Brooks Brothers riot shows, you folks are already comfy cozy with the concepts of the agent provocateur.

Perhaps the Dems would be wise, since they are in power, of doing what the GOP did with townhalls in response. Stuff the whole hall with known supporters so there is no dissent.

Seems like a fair trade.

[jwil59]

This President is asking Americans to "snitch" to be informants on their fellow Americans.

Doesn't this disturb you?

You want to play nice in the sandbox by all means go ahead. Look how far it got Republicans in the last two election cycles.

Obama sin't gonna do nithing to the people who oppose the health care bill, gimme a break. I suspect he wants to know what people are saying so he can shoot down what he views as misinformation (I myself don't view it as myseld but maybe he does). It is a little troubling but the way to fight that off is not acting like the same thing we hated with Bush.

Like I said, have at it an lose AGAIN. Seems like you people would learn

My sole goal is to win this fight, I have a lot at stake personally, probably more than most of the people on this forum.

[skprtod914]

They were screaming at Spector as he answered, that ain't gonna accomplish nothing.

You said there was no discussion of policy. I showed that there was. The screaming was only part of it.


I would have to respectfully disagree that it is all the yelling that has made the polls what they are.

I didn't say that the yelling caused it. My argument is that the poll numbers indicate that the people will listen when conservatives expose the problems with Obama's plan.

[tinydancer]

Who cares what the libs are doing.

can you people not see that ****ing them off more by acting like angry rednecks is not going to change any minds.

have at it, lose again

What's the deal with the image here? Before these rallys started, libs have always portrayed conservatives as stupid freaking rednecks.

BEFORE one tea party. Remember Obama calling conservatives" bitter clinging to their religions and their guns".

Who gives a **** what they call Conservatives? Libs think we are scum anyways.

The people have to let them know how ****ed off they are.

[Mojotiger]

Perhaps the Dems would be wise, since they are in power, of doing what the GOP did with townhalls in response. Stuff the whole hall with known supporters so there is no dissent.

Seems like a fair trade.

Too late...

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1581101

[jwil59]

I agree, the hostility is wrong. But we are constructively exposing the Democrat agenda, despite the hostility.

Nobody listens to yelling angry people



Our problem was that there wasn't enough focus on policy through consistently driving home a simple message.

I certainly cannot disagree with that



Did the likes of Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan ask tough questions? Were they informed? Did they ask about specific policy ideas from Bush? Seems to me they just ranted.

No, they just yelled and nothing was accomplished, that's my point.

It does no good to ask a question if you cannot listen to the answer and counter. That isn't happening in all this

[tinydancer]

I think its perfectly acceptable for Conservatives to use liberal tactics for protest, even though as the Brooks Brothers riot shows, you folks are already comfy cozy with the concepts of the agent provocateur.

Perhaps the Dems would be wise, since they are in power, of doing what the GOP did with townhalls in response. Stuff the whole hall with known supporters so there is no dissent.

Seems like a fair trade.

Your glorious leader has already called for that. And for people to snitch on each other.

What a champ!!!

[skprtod914]

Nobody listens to yelling angry people





I certainly cannot disagree with that





No, they just yelled and nothing was accomplished, that's my point.

It does no good to ask a question if you cannot listen to the answer and counter. That isn't happening in all this

Anyone who listens to the sound bite can hear that the answers were horrible. That is, if you aren't looking for a reason why the whole approach should be discredited.

[jwil59]

You said there was no discussion of policy. I showed that there was. The screaming was only part of it.

Ok maybe you are right about that but my position is that nothing was accomplished.




I didn't say that the yelling caused it. My argument is that the poll numbers indicate that the people will listen when conservatives expose the problems with Obama's plan.

I agree I just think we will turn more heads by doing it respecfully, not that those yahoos in Congress deserve any respect but the facts need to be exposed

[dad49er]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......

Personally I abhor either side engaging in such practices.
It doesn't matter which side is doing it.

[jwil59]

Anyone who listens to the sound bite can hear that the answers were horrible. That is, if you aren't looking for a reason why the whole approach should be discredited.

I do think that the hostility approach isn't credible and it won't do any good. Just my opinion though

[jwil59]

Personally I abhor either side engaging in such practices.
It doesn't matter which side is doing it.

Me too..........

maybe I am just too passive, I dunno but it's me

[dad49er]

Ok maybe you are right about that but my position is that nothing was accomplished.






I agree I just think we will turn more heads by doing it respecfully, not that those yahoos in Congress deserve any respect but the facts need to be exposed

I agree.
And there are still 'undecideds' out there.

[skprtod914]

I do think that the hostility approach isn't credible and it won't do any good. Just my opinion though


The tone is not right, but tough questions are being asked and horrible answers being given. That is the constructive part, and that is what citizens who don't have a liberal agenda will hear, or who aren't looking to discredit the protests entirely.

[jwil59]

I agree.
And there are still 'undecideds' out there.

Actually I would think that the greatest portion of Americans know jack about this health care proposal.

My side will never win those people over with all this yelling and stuff

[skprtod914]

Ok maybe you are right about that but my position is that nothing was accomplished.






I agree I just think we will turn more heads by doing it respecfully, not that those yahoos in Congress deserve any respect but the facts need to be exposed

Of course, but I believe we will turn enough heads as it is. The anger is secondary.

[jwil59]

The tone is not right, but tough questions are being asked and horrible answers being given. That is the constructive part, and that is what citizens who don't have a liberal agenda will hear.

I agree the answers are horrible. I had to really concentrate to hear Spector's horrible answer over the yelling. I am a political junkie but most folks are not, I suspect they changed the channell instead of trying like I did.

I would like to hear some tough questions about the actual text of the bill. Then respectfully allow the Congresscritters to answer with the talking points given them by the WH, then counter with the facts. That's just me though

[gb2004]

I agree the answers are horrible. I had to really concentrate to hear Spector's horrible answer over the yelling. I am a political junkie but most folks are not, I suspect they changed the channell instead of trying like I did.

I would like to hear some tough questions about the actual text of the bill. Then respectfully allow the Congresscritters to answer with the talking points given them by the WH, then counter with the facts. That's just me though

People get angry when they are being lied to.

[jwil59]

Of course, but I believe we will turn enough heads as it is. The anger is secondary.

I hope we do my friend.........

We are on the same side. I am passionate about this though cause my family has a lot at stake. I have earned my health care through my job, they didn't give it to me, it's a part of my salary. It has served us very well in a catostrophic situation, as everyone here know. I just wanna win this time buddy, that's all I care about

[jwil59]

People get angry when they are being lied to.

I feel their pain, I just think a little self control for the good of the cause might work better. That's all I'm sayin

[ChicoLibertarian]

I'm tellin ya........... people are super ****ed! I seen it today in a group of strangers I engaged in some conversation.

They are FIRED UP AND READY TO THROW DOWN!


LET'S ROLL! :flag:

This should be fun! Can't wait to see this proud display of "patriotism"! :popcorn:

[ChicoLibertarian]

People get angry when they are being lied to.

Yea, the last 8 years were just the beginning, huh?

[gb2004]

Yea, the last 8 years were just the beginning, huh?

Booooooooooooosh.

so predictable.

[dad49er]

The tone is not right, but tough questions are being asked and horrible answers being given. That is the constructive part, and that is what citizens who don't have a liberal agenda will hear, or who aren't looking to discredit the protests entirely.

How can the answers be horrible if they are not allowed to be answered?
That is what is happening from what I have seen.
How about allowing them to answer, and then there might be actual proof their answers are horrible.

[skprtod914]

I hope we do my friend.........

We are on the same side. I am passionate about this though cause my family has a lot at stake. I have earned my health care through my job, they didn't give it to me, it's a part of my salary. It has served us very well in a catostrophic situation, as everyone here know. I just wanna win this time buddy, that's all I care about

I agree, and I know we're on the same side. I guess i get a little defensive when I think people on the right are unnecessarily hesitant in their political views.

[skprtod914]

How can the answers be horrible if they are not allowed to be answered?
That is what is happening from what I have seen.
How about allowing them to answer, and then there might be actual proof their answers are horrible.


Did you read the transcript of Specter and Sebelius? The questions were indeed answered.

[skprtod914]

I feel their pain, I just think a little self control for the good of the cause might work better. That's all I'm sayin

I think they're pretty self controlled as it is, just not as much as they should be.

[darknessesedge]

Rush got a caller today who was apparently from the Philadelphia Tea Party. He (the caller) said that his group organized the protest at the town hall meeting where Specter and Sibelius were heckled about health care. Rush had also gotten a caller earlier this week, who said that MSNBC was claiming that the protests at town hall meetings were organized by right-wing groups bringing protesters to the town hall meetings. In response, Rush had said that he didn't believe that, but if it was true then it was about time conservative started using grass roots protest tactics, when liberals use what he called "rent a mob" tactics to accomplish their goals. He also stated that the current movement is a grass roots effort, unlike the rent-a-mobs of the left.
Now I would say it appears that some of that is going on, from the caller today. And though I disagree with the anger in the protests, I would say it is excellent that people are letting Democrats know, at their own town hall meetings, that we won't stand for nationalized health care. It's about time we started using grass-roots methods for protesting. It's about time Al Sharpton wasn't the top bullhorn user. And it's about time we started hitting Democrats where they least expect it, at town hall meetings in liberal districts.
This is what the caller yesterday said:




Hear is what rush said in response:





And also:

And if their transportation is being facilitated, it's about *** time. You gotta take these people on the way they play the game. The aggressor sets the rules in a conflict.

the reason we have not protested before, was that all of us conservs where to busy working and feeding our families.
libs have all the free time to go out and protest.
but with obamanomics, seems we all have more free time lately.

[dad49er]

Did you read the transcript of Specter and Sebelius? The questions were indeed answered.

No, I haven't seen a transcript.
Given the ruckus I saw and heard it would seem near impossible to have one.
One thing I know for sure is that they were interrupted to the point of not being able to complete their answer.

[dad49er]

the reason we have not protested before, was that all of us conservs where to busy working and feeding our families.
libs have all the free time to go out and protest.
but with obamanomics, seems we all have more free time lately.

I have been listening to Rush for a very long time.
Conservatives have always had the time.

[skprtod914]

No, I haven't seen a transcript.
Given the ruckus I saw and heard it would seem near impossible to have one.
One thing I know for sure is that they were interrupted to the point of not being able to complete their answer.


http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=58893771&postcount=40

The link above is the post where I posted the transcript. It seems the people booed because the answers were so horrible at the start. It also seems there was plenty of opportunity for them to give a succinct answer.

[dad49er]

http://forums.hannity.com/showpost.php?p=58893771&postcount=40

The link above is the post where I posted the transcript. It seems the people booed because the answers were so horrible at the start. It also seems there was plenty of opportunity for them to give a succinct answer.

The transcript you provided (thank you) seems to support the idea that a complete answer was never given because of the crowd. There may have been time left, but given the nature of the crowd I wouldn't have attempted to either.
It would have been impossible, IMO.

Where did the transcript come from?
It jives with what I heard, just curious.

[Gabby]

are making the conservatives look like a bunch of losers. No ideas, nothing constructive to offer at all besides childish strategies to disrupt town hall meetings.

The fact that this is being organized by outside right wing groups is being exposed, and these people are being shown to be a bunch of clowns.

Wow, you buy the propaganda hook, line and sinker?

Do you also agree with Barbara Boxer that they were dressed to well to be serious?

[skprtod914]

The transcript you provided (thank you) seems to support the idea that a complete answer was never given because of the crowd. There may have been time left, but given the nature of the crowd I wouldn't have attempted to either.
It would have been impossible, IMO.

Where did the transcript come from?
It jives with what I heard, just curious.

The transcript came from Rush's transcript of his show yesterday (which by now is probably in the archives, so thus only available to subscribers). Whenever Rush plays soundbites, like the audio from that town hall, they are included in the transcript of his program.

And as for the answers, it seems pretty clear to me that the crowd responded angrily largely because the answers were rambling and made little sense. If I recall correctly, there were other town halls, like the one with Kieth Ellis, where the liberal(s) finished their answers.

[Sun]

Rush got a caller today who was apparently from the Philadelphia Tea Party. He (the caller) said that his group organized the protest at the town hall meeting where Specter and Sibelius were heckled about health care. Rush had also gotten a caller earlier this week, who said that MSNBC was claiming that the protests at town hall meetings were organized by right-wing groups bringing protesters to the town hall meetings. In response, Rush had said that he didn't believe that, but if it was true then it was about time conservative started using grass roots protest tactics, when liberals use what he called "rent a mob" tactics to accomplish their goals. He also stated that the current movement is a grass roots effort, unlike the rent-a-mobs of the left.
Now I would say it appears that some of that is going on, from the caller today. And though I disagree with the anger in the protests, I would say it is excellent that people are letting Democrats know, at their own town hall meetings, that we won't stand for nationalized health care. It's about time we started using grass-roots methods for protesting. It's about time Al Sharpton wasn't the top bullhorn user. And it's about time we started hitting Democrats where they least expect it, at town hall meetings in liberal districts.
This is what the caller yesterday said:




Hear is what rush said in response:





And also:

And if their transportation is being facilitated, it's about *** time. You gotta take these people on the way they play the game. The aggressor sets the rules in a conflict.

The left thinks free speech is only for them!

[dad49er]

The left thinks free speech is only for them!

Does loud, raucous, yelling even count as free speech?
The Code Pink hecklers where thrown out of the GOP Convention (deservedly).
Were there free speech rights violated?

And it shouldn't matter who is doing it, conservative, liberal, or somewhere in between.

[DaveKlassix]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......

Haven't republicans basically proven that since the Sr. Bush adminstration?

[Dim Reefer]

**** that.. its time to push it one step further

[dad49er]

What do you mean?

A coup d'état of some sort?

[tinydancer]

Sit ins at Representative offices would garner media coverage. Ooooh, I'm getting my old feel back from my lib days.

Sit ins with every protester wearing a mask of a dead person from all the NHS scandals in Britain.

[BigfootWRL]

well, "rent a mob" is not a grassroots effort..... the term is call astroturfing.......

but when dems did it, it was referred to as "thug tactics" so does that mean the republicans are now the thugs that they used to deride dems for being?


it really doesnt matter to me, but it is good to finally see repubs proving they are no better than dems......


It is grassroots. I am not a wealthy insurance CEO, but I sent money in my place so that there would be people able to go to these town hall meetings. What's wrong with that? Am I not grassroots? Who says they are repubs only? Vaard, I long ago realized that you just like to argue and zip out mostly one liners and nothing wrong with that, but do you not have skin in the game on what is going on? To me it seems hard to ride the fence lately.

[AvgGuyIA]

I was sent an invitation from my Congressman's office (Bruce Braley, D-IA) to a town hall meeting to talk about health care. Nobody from the GOP or any anti-ObamaCare organization contacted me to show up and certainly they didn't give me any talking points. Dick Durbin (D-IL) is full of **** if he thinks we are some sort of "rent-a-mob".

[BigfootWRL]

You think that is going to unnerve the Democrats about health care???

Gimme a break, they are dug in. It won't work, it will just make our side look like a bunch of ****ed off rednecks

I am a ****ed off redneck. What's wrong with that? If people don't like seeing ****ed off rednecks, then they shouldn't **** off rednecks.

[BigfootWRL]

You must have seen different clips than I did. At the Spector meeting, neither side was heard

Ok yall have at, lose this fight if you want. When it's all over I ain't gonna say I told you so, but I did

Yall??? Do you live on some fence where you won't be affected either way? If so, can I move there too?

[tinydancer]

I am a ****ed off redneck. What's wrong with that? If people don't like seeing ****ed off rednecks, then they shouldn't **** off rednecks.

I know I'm getting confused at our multiple personalities that are being attributed to the mobs.

Very Sybil.

The mobs are supposed to be well dressed bussed in rednecks carrying swaztikas and Bibles.

Somewhere down the road when Hollywood makes a movie about this era, a costume designer is going to have one hell of a good time dressing the conservative mobs.:D

[AvgGuyIA]

BOTH sides are proving themselves hypocrites on this one. It's about what I have come to expect through.

As far as my personal support, I am behind the folks protesting the health care plan. I would not go to a meeting and be disruptive though. From watching the protests at the town halls it don't seem like much was accomplished with all the hostility. None of the tough questions were asked and answered, just a bunch of yelling. The holes in Obama's health care plan need to be exposed, not yelled at. Just my opinionEvery shout...every boo was one less vote that Congressman can count on. We won't be divided on whether to support the Republican presidential candidate in the next election. Next time it will be on the real issues we agree on.

[AvgGuyIA]

Obama sin't gonna do nithing to the people who oppose the health care bill, gimme a break. I suspect he wants to know what people are saying so he can shoot down what he views as misinformation (I myself don't view it as myseld but maybe he does). It is a little troubling but the way to fight that off is not acting like the same thing we hated with Bush.

Like I said, have at it an lose AGAIN. Seems like you people would learn

My sole goal is to win this fight, I have a lot at stake personally, probably more than most of the people on this forum.George Bush would have been nailed to a cross with calls of impeachment if he remotely suggested Americans send him reports on those who protest the Iraq War.

[BigfootWRL]

I do think that the hostility approach isn't credible and it won't do any good. Just my opinion though

And you are entitled to it. Sometimes when backed into a corner it's hard not to be hostile. When a bully is constantly picking on you and beating you up, I don't think buying him a milk with the lunch money he took from you and having a nice sit down conversation is going to work. Just my opinion though.

I honestly don't think the democratic party will listen even if we did just as you stated. It's like you said earlier, there are those that live in their own little world, oblivious to what goes on around them. I don't think much could entice them to the party be it on either side. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know this much from my redneck upbringing, you keep tormenting a dog and one day he is going to bite your ass! :D

[BigfootWRL]

the reason we have not protested before, was that all of us conservs where to busy working and feeding our families.
libs have all the free time to go out and protest.
but with obamanomics, seems we all have more free time lately.


:lol::lol::lol:

[BigfootWRL]

I know I'm getting confused at our multiple personalities that are being attributed to the mobs.

Very Sybil.

The mobs are supposed to be well dressed bussed in rednecks carrying swaztikas and Bibles.

Somewhere down the road when Hollywood makes a movie about this era, a costume designer is going to have one hell of a good time dressing the conservative mobs.:D

:lol::lol::lol:

[mboncher]

The mobs are supposed to be well dressed bussed in rednecks carrying swaztikas and Bibles.

So the Leftist media/Hollywierd image of Mormons and Evangelical Christians?

[mboncher]

These handsome chaps?

http://www.americanpolitics.com/whiteriot.gif
Well, at least it looks like they bathe, don't have something verminous in their dredlocks and don't reek of pot and patchouli oil.

[Slumberjack]

What is the price of civil disobedience? What are people willing to sacrifice to stand up against what they feel is wrong? Your job? Your family? Your criminal record? Your life? What a movement might get out of this is linked to what they are willing to sacrifice to make it happen. For some, I guess the price of failure it isn't worth the risk to some people. Yelling at meetings doesn't cost much, and thus doesn't garner much attention. Public opinion doesn't favor those who commit violence, or throw tantrums. History is full of those who stood up for what they believed in and made their sacrifice. Ask Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, or Jesus. Sometimes it is as simple as not giving up your seat on a bus and facing the consequences.


Some people say that if the government continues on this path, we will lost our freedoms, our jobs, our healthcare, our families, or our lives. Well, if you believe that, what is holding you back? If you believe that....ante up.

[skprtod914]

Here is what the caller from the tea party said:

CALLER: I'm one of the Brooks Brother organizers of the protest rally at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia against Obamacare that was actually a town hall meeting, Specter's town hall meeting featuring Kathleen Sebelius.

RUSH: Right.

CALLER: I have to tell you I think one of the most insulting aspects of this whole thing is the idea that it is not coming from the grassroots. We weren't working with any national organization. We called for this. We initiated this protest via our organization, Independence Hall Tea Party Association which was formed right after the April tax week tea parties.

[FreedomRing]

George Bush would have been nailed to a cross with calls of impeachment if he remotely suggested Americans send him reports on those who protest the Iraq War.

And he would have deserved it, too.

As I've said before, this issue is separating the political hacks from those that actually care about their liberty.

[Gaetano "Tommy" Lucchese]

George Bush would have been nailed to a cross with calls of impeachment if he remotely suggested Americans send him reports on those who protest the Iraq War.

He had the TIPS program and he was laughed out of town.

But don't think they didn't keep tabs on antiwar groups. FBI agents were going undercover in antiwar orgs.

And before you call shenanigans, my local Thomas Merton Center was infiltrated by the FBI, and those guys are as harmless as it gets. Google "Pittsburgh Thomas Merton Center FBI."

[Thanatos144]

You know I think it all boils dont to the liberals in our government is so out of step that they dont know how to react to the people actually talking to them without a filter of 20 people between them. I think the arrogance of those in office of both sides is now apparent to all. It isnt about politics now it is about saving the republic and if that means getting loud so the high and might muck a mucks hears us then so be it.

[mboncher]

Wow... Conphu1 was a retread after all.