18yo boy killed after getting high and entering wrong house

[Stray 85]

Sad story, a 18yo kid get's high on mushrooms and enters the wrong house. He calls the homeowner 'Dad' and starts walking towards him. The homeowner tells him to leave and that he has a gun but the kid keeps coming. The homeowner then shoots him, a fight starts afterwards and eventually police arrive. The kid dies later at the hospital...



http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Sheriff-Jon-Hayden-Holds-News-Conference-On-Early/4_QoLm1kR066Lb17M0O99g.cspx

[MrShotShot]

Lesson: Don't get high.

[camarozz]

My point exactly when it comes to intoxication. Sure Im sorry that the moron entered the wrong house and was killed. Sure Im sorry that his family lost their son, brother.

But, I will fight to the death to protect my family from an intruder too, and deal with the consequences later.

I have posted it before, "Sure legalize drugs, but let me shoot the moron that tramples on my rights while intoxicated"

[birddog1]

The homeowner really took some chances with his family's lives trying not to shoot this dumbass. He got lucky that the guy didn't take his gun away from him and do his whole family in. He really should have kept shooting after the first shot until the druggy was down and out. At least it worked out and I guess the guy can sleep a little better knowing that he gave this guy every oppurtunity to leave.

[chelton25]

Seems to me that the homeowner needs shooting lessons.

[mysticbeauty_nbeast]

http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=10818777

Link to story that the OP is identifying.

So..reading briefly over the 'actual' story...it seems this was not some mild mannered mushroom eating 'kid'. :rolleyes: It's not quiet the story the Op portends. :think:

~Mysty

[notluzn]

Lol

[Panhead0422]

The MORON took an action that resulted in his death and the only ones I feel sorry for in this case are the home owner and his family.

[BillBrown]

The homeowner was justified.
I do feel sorry for the boy, but the homeowner did what he had to do. It's what I would have done.

[Apatriot]

The homeowner was justified.
I do feel sorry for the boy, but the homeowner did what he had to do. It's what I would have done.

I don't feel sorry for the boy. The boy made his choice when he took a drug that could totally take over his head. I feel sorry for the boy's family, as well as the homeowner and his family.

[BillBrown]

I don't feel sorry for the boy. The boy made his choice when he took a drug that could totally take over his head. I feel sorry for the boy's family, as well as the homeowner and his family.

I was 18 years old, once upon a time. Even basically good kids do stupid things at that age. I did. It's also not uncommon for a lousy kid to turn into a good man.
Still, the homeowner did what he should have done to protect himself and his family.

[Talk2Bill]

I feel bad for the homeowner. I hope his local authorities see this for what it is... a terrible result of a idiot high on drugs.

i feel bad for the family of the man. It must be hard to lose a family member to drugs.

[Talk2Bill]

from the link

http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=10818777


Police say the homeowner fired one shot at Barnett, hitting him in the arm, and going into his chest area. Barnett apparently fell to the floor but got back up fighting the homeowner, at one point, biting him in the arm.

The fight continued through the home and eventually back into the garage. When police arrived they arrested Barnett and transported him to Western Baptist Hospital for the gunshot, but he ultimately died.

Remember a few days ago there was a topic about shooting a DOWNED intruder? Several posters and I said: even if you shoot them and they go down, they could still get up. See...sometimes they get up. So you can not know if they are still a threat or not. It could have cost the home owner his life.



Police located four people who apparently provided the drugs to Barnett and arrested them.

i hope they are charged for his death. Death is always a foreseeable result of drugs.

[birddog1]

I feel bad for the homeowner. I hope his local authorities see this for what it is... a terrible result of a idiot high on drugs.

i feel bad for the family of the man. It must be hard to lose a family member to drugs.

Kentucky is a castle doctrine state, if the news story is even close to what reallly happened the homeowner will have no worries regarding prosecution. Kentucky is still fairly rural and conservative so it would be quiet rare for a homeowner to be charged for defending him or herself.

I can only remember one such case and it was actually a murder resulting from a bad drug deal and the homeowner/drug dealer got his righful jail term.

[birddog1]

from the link

http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=10818777


Police say the homeowner fired one shot at Barnett, hitting him in the arm, and going into his chest area. Barnett apparently fell to the floor but got back up fighting the homeowner, at one point, biting him in the arm.



Remember a few days ago there was a topic about shooting a DOWNED intruder? Several posters and I said: even if you shoot them and they go down, they could still get up. See...sometimes they get up. So you can not know if they are still a threat or not. It could have cost the home owner his life.




i hope they are charged for his death. Death is always a foreseeable result of drugs.

A downed person can very easily shoot and kill you even if he is dieing, so I plan on shooting till the perp stops moving or I run out of bullets which ever comes first. Pesonally (depending upon locale) I believe that a homeowner in such a situation will be fine if they continue shooting until the suspect is dead as long as they don't walk over and deliver and excecution style shot.

[BillBrown]

from the link

http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=10818777


Police say the homeowner fired one shot at Barnett, hitting him in the arm, and going into his chest area. Barnett apparently fell to the floor but got back up fighting the homeowner, at one point, biting him in the arm.



Remember a few days ago there was a topic about shooting a DOWNED intruder? Several posters and I said: even if you shoot them and they go down, they could still get up. See...sometimes they get up. So you can not know if they are still a threat or not. It could have cost the home owner his life.




i hope they are charged for his death. Death is always a foreseeable result of drugs.

Not only can they still get up, they can pull a gun out of their pocket and shoot you without getting up.

Whoever said you shouldn't shoot a downed intruder, just doesn't know.

[Talk2Bill]

Kentucky is a castle doctrine state, if the news story is even close to what reallly happened the homeowner will have no worries regarding prosecution. Kentucky is still fairly rural and conservative so it would be quiet rare for a homeowner to be charged for defending him or herself.

it is still a huge pain. *that is if KY is anything like Texas* There is an investigation, they take the gun (they say you'll get it back after the investigation).



I can only remember one such case and it was actually a murder resulting from a bad drug deal and the homeowner/drug dealer got his righful jail term.

There have been charges for drug dealers after an over dose... If i was on a jury...i would be very open to charging those that supplied him with the drugs with his death.

[King Cantona]

The MORON took an action that resulted in his death and the only ones I feel sorry for in this case are the home owner and his family.

You feel sorry for the homeowner and his family?.......

Why?.....

[Talk2Bill]

You feel sorry for the homeowner and his family?.......

Why?.....

it is a huge hassle to have to deal with. The man has to live with the fact that he killed a man. the family may feel victimized by the break in. Not to mention that some will smear them for defending themselves.

that is why i feel bad for the victims in this case: the homeowner and his family.

[Stray 85]

I think the punks that supplied the drugs should go to prison for at least manslaughter. I don't think the homeowner acted improperly, I do feel sorry for this kid though. He thought it was his house and the poor homeowner was his dad...

I linked the Sheriffs department newsconference..also on that page it tells about what a good kid this was. The moral of the story...drugs are bad and even if you try them bad **** can happen that one time.

[chip]

Remember a few days ago there was a topic about shooting a DOWNED intruder? Several posters and I said: even if you shoot them and they go down, they could still get up. See...sometimes they get up. So you can not know if they are still a threat or not. It could have cost the home owner his life.



Feel free to shoot until they are dead. You dont get to drop them then leave them and come back to them later and empty your weapon into them while they are unconscious.

Apples and Dumptrucks

[Stray 85]

An article on the kid that was killed...

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/story/Friends-And-Family-Remember-Caleb-Barnett/73iOZZdAyU6_F5UtAEcORg.cspx

[jimjames418]

You feel sorry for the homeowner and his family?.......

Why?.....
Taking another person's life changes a person, and not always for the better.

[mother2]

Taking another person's life changes a person, and not always for the better.

A fact often cavalierly overlooked.

[Talk2Bill]

Feel free to shoot until they are dead. You dont get to drop them then leave them and come back to them later and empty your weapon into them while they are unconscious.

Apples and Dumptrucks

well i hope i am never in a position to take any such action.

[Samm]

Seems to me that the homeowner needs shooting lessons.

Yep... If you are going to use a firearm for personal protection you must use it properly. Training and practice are the only way to accomplish that. This homeowner was lucky that it did not result in his own injury or death and/or that of one or more of his family. It probably never occurred to the guy that he was ever actually going to have to shoot somebody one day when he bought the guns.

[Samm]

Taking another person's life changes a person, and not always for the better.

A fact often cavalierly overlooked.

Absolutely. It is a very serious, potentially traumatizing, event even when the individual is deserving of killing. When it is just some stupid kid high on drugs with no particular malicious intent, it has got to be even worse. But it is not as bad as dealing with dead or injured family if you fail to act. Nothing could be worse than that.

[Talk2Bill]

Yep... If you are going to use a firearm for personal protection you must use it properly. Training and practice are the only way to accomplish that. This homeowner was lucky that it did not result in his own injury or death and/or that of one or more of his family. It probably never occurred to the guy that he was ever actually going to have to shoot somebody one day when he bought the guns.

i give him a bit of a break. I have had to use a fire arm in a life or death situation and I can tell you it makes a difference. I am just glad that the perp we were looking for gave up before it was an issue.

[F9thRet]

If only more people where like the homeowner. Just think of the extra jobs in bullet manufacturing there would be if more people shot criminals.

It's a twofer.

Lower crime
More jobs

Stephen

[BrittleBullet]

Sigh.....
Stupid teens had no idea had to use shrooms right.

[Panhead0422]

Not only can they still get up, they can pull a gun out of their pocket and shoot you without getting up.

Whoever said you shouldn't shoot a downed intruder, just doesn't know.

If "it" is worth shooting once, "it" is worth shooting multiple times.

[Panhead0422]

You feel sorry for the homeowner and his family?.......

Why?.....

Because they had to deal with the piece of **** that broke into their house. I have little doubt that some scum sucking lawyer is probably going to try to sue them (on behalf of the **** bag's family), because they had to shoot that stupid peice of ****.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Justified shooting. A mans home is his castle.

[Pudge]

I agree it's justified, but I tell you that I worry sometimes. I don't get high, but I do deliver food and sometimes the cashier puts the wrong address on the slip, just a mistyping. I always worry that knocking on the wrong door will get some crazy shut-in to take a shot at me, especially if the on-slip directions tell me to go onto the property to the back or side door. Bad enough I have to worry about robbers and lawsuit-seekers, I have to also worry about things like this. You don't know how bad I chew out the order-takers whenever they give me a bum address, but they always blame the caller.

[FidelisAdMortem]

In that case call ahead the callback number. Ive had delivery people do that to me and I live in a house by myself with a front door lol.

[Pudge]

In that case call ahead the callback number. Ive had delivery people do that to me and I live in a house by myself with a front door lol.

I usually do a callback whenever I get to the place and there's no light on, but sometimes that's not applicable, like in the daytime. We don't call back every number, though. Usually only when something makes my antennae twitch. Still, even as experienced as I am, I might make a mistake, or the address might seem legit, light is on... you just never know.

So, in this case, while the homeowner was within his rights and his action lawful, I can't help but wonder... what if people ask questions first and shoot later? Surely, most people can discern between a burglar or home invader and a drunk/stoned teenager who walked into the wrong home? I admit, I am not sure if I would be able to in that moment, but I like to think I would, because I wouldn't want to live with an unnecessary death on my conscience.

[Samm]

I agree it's justified, but I tell you that I worry sometimes. I don't get high, but I do deliver food and sometimes the cashier puts the wrong address on the slip, just a mistyping. I always worry that knocking on the wrong door will get some crazy shut-in to take a shot at me, especially if the on-slip directions tell me to go onto the property to the back or side door. Bad enough I have to worry about robbers and lawsuit-seekers, I have to also worry about things like this. You don't know how bad I chew out the order-takers whenever they give me a bum address, but they always blame the caller.

For every crazy shut in waiting to take a shot at a stranger there are several sex starved housewives waiting for a stranger to unexpectedly come to her door. Take heart... the odds are in your favor. ;)

[Kegler300]

The moral of the story? If you like mushrooms, stick to Campbell's Mushroom Soup.

[spearmaster]

You feel sorry for the homeowner and his family?.......

Why?.....

Gee I don't know. Maybe because some dumbass busted into their house and were forced to shoot him. I'm sure the homeowner or his family didn't get great pleasure from this whole experience.

[DLaw911]

My point exactly when it comes to intoxication. Sure Im sorry that the moron entered the wrong house and was killed. Sure Im sorry that his family lost their son, brother.

But, I will fight to the death to protect my family from an intruder too, and deal with the consequences later.

I have posted it before, "Sure legalize drugs, but let me shoot the moron that tramples on my rights while intoxicated"The story is tragic and demonstrates the dangers of hallucinogens.

[notluzn]

Moral of this story. Drugs will most likely get you killed and the world won't care about you when you do. LOL LMAO :)) :))

[DLaw911]

Moral of this story. Drugs will most likely get you killed and the world won't care about you when you do. LOL LMAO :)) :))I don't find the humor in it. It's not funny at all.

I'm not a fan of hallucinogens but the fact it most people who take them do not freak out and break into other people's homes.

But there is the other side of the story. In 1972 I was an ambulance paramedic and we were dispatched to a mansion in Bel Air where two kids (who we later learned were honor students at UCLA) had taken LSD while there parents were out for the evening. When the parents came home they found blood all over the floor, every window in the home broken, everything smashed, holes punched in the walls, even the refigerator lying flat on the floor. The windows were broken by the kids RUNNING THROUGH the glass and smashing windows with their hands. My partner and I found the kids in a closet scratching each other's faces and arms with pieces of glass. Unfortunately this was LAPD territory and they took their time responding. So my partner and I had to subdue the kids and it was really nasty. Both of our own uniforms ended up getting covered in blood and were torn. By partner was a Vietnam Marine so he loved this sort of exercise. After it was all over and we had them tied down on a gurney and stretcher the cops finally arrived. The mess was unbelievable. And we found out they had been given ONE sugar cube containing ONE drop of LSD which they broke in half and swallowed. Talk about a bad trip.

[captusa]

The homeowner was justified.
I do feel sorry for the boy, but the homeowner did what he had to do. It's what I would have done.

In many states the homeowner would be in serious trouble (I do not think he should be) but in every case it would be to the homeowner's benefit to have killed the intruder.(definitely from the civil point of view)

[captusa]

I don't find the humor in it. It's not funny at all.

I'm not a fan of hallucinogens but the fact it most people who take them do not freak out and break into other people's homes.

But there is the other side of the story. In 1972 I was an ambulance paramedic and we were dispatched to a mansion in Bel Air where two kids (who we later learned were honor students at UCLA) had taken LSD while there parents were out for the evening. When the parents came home they found blood all over the floor, every window in the home broken, everything smashed, holes punched in the walls, even the refigerator lying flat on the floor. The windows were broken by the kids RUNNING THROUGH the glass and smashing windows with their hands. My partner and I found the kids in a closet scratching each other's faces and arms with pieces of glass. Unfortunately this was LAPD territory and they took their time responding. So my partner and I had to subdue the kids and it was really nasty. Both of our own uniforms ended up getting covered in blood and were torn. By partner was a Vietnam Marine so he loved this sort of exercise. After it was all over and we had them tied down on a gurney and stretcher the cops finally arrived. The mess was unbelievable. And we found out they had been given ONE sugar cube containing ONE drop of LSD which they broke in half and swallowed. Talk about a bad trip.The potent "Orange Ousleys" had 250 micrograms of LSD.
That's .000009 oz
I don't know how many drops there are in an ounce but there are over 100,000 large doses of LSD in a shot shot (over 170,000 in a 1.6 oz jigger)

[sgtmac_46]

You feel sorry for the homeowner and his family?.......

Why?.....

You ever have to clean blood stains out of a carpet? It's a bitch!

[sgtmac_46]

I agree it's justified, but I tell you that I worry sometimes. I don't get high, but I do deliver food and sometimes the cashier puts the wrong address on the slip, just a mistyping. I always worry that knocking on the wrong door will get some crazy shut-in to take a shot at me, especially if the on-slip directions tell me to go onto the property to the back or side door. Bad enough I have to worry about robbers and lawsuit-seekers, I have to also worry about things like this. You don't know how bad I chew out the order-takers whenever they give me a bum address, but they always blame the caller.

Don't stand directly in front of the door when you knock.

[DLaw911]

The potent "Orange Ousleys" had 250 micrograms of LSD.
That's .000009 oz
I don't know how many drops there are in an ounce but there are over 100,000 large doses of LSD in a shot shot (over 170,000 in a 1.6 oz jigger)That sounds like a pretty powerful "trip" -- maybe the last one.

[DLaw911]

You ever have to clean blood stains out of a carpet? It's a bitch!Don't even bother trying.

[sgtmac_46]

For every crazy shut in waiting to take a shot at a stranger there are several sex starved housewives waiting for a stranger to unexpectedly come to her door. Take heart... the odds are in your favor. ;)

'Dear Penthouse......you're not going to believe this, but........'

[sgtmac_46]

The story is tragic and demonstrates the dangers of hallucinogens.

Do you remember the classic 'Ask Jimmy Carter' sketch on SNL? :))

http://www.veoh.com/collection/NBC-Saturday-Night-Live/watch/v2411004988TGCG3

[Stray 85]

Our local TV station did a follow up story on the kid that was killed and I don't know if the homeowner did the right thing morally or not. The kid was calling the guy Dad and walking towards him. The violence didn't start until after he shot him. I'm starting to think he could have just handed the gun to the wife and told her to take the kids outside and call the cops.

I know he had the right to shoot him, not arguing that point, I'm just wondering if he did the right thing morally.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/story/Caleb-Barnett-Remembered/tPxAvqgIpkWbfgGbydjGtQ.cspx

[Apatriot]

Our local TV station did a follow up story on the kid that was killed and I don't know if the homeowner did the right thing morally or not. The kid was calling the guy Dad and walking towards him. The violence didn't start until after he shot him. I'm starting to think he could have just handed the gun to the wife and told her to take the kids outside and call the cops.

I know he had the right to shoot him, not arguing that point, I'm just wondering if he did the right thing morally.

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/story/Caleb-Barnett-Remembered/tPxAvqgIpkWbfgGbydjGtQ.cspx


I don't think I know enough of the details to answer that. For one thing, one article says the boy was a former football player. It doesn't say anything about the size, etc. of the homeowner. Also, if someone is so out of it that they can't tell a gun is in their face, etc., who knows what he would have done to "Dad."

[Talk2Bill]

Our local TV station did a follow up story on the kid that was killed and I don't know if the homeowner did the right thing morally or not. The kid was calling the guy Dad and walking towards him.

so what? how was the homeowner to know it was not a ploy of the man?


The violence didn't start until after he shot him.

no it started when the man tried to force his way into the man's home.

I'm starting to think he could have just handed the gun to the wife and told her to take the kids outside and call the cops.

I know he had the right to shoot him, not arguing that point, I'm just wondering if he did the right thing morally.

define morally right.

(link sniped)

the thing is as a homeowner i have NO WAY to know the true level of threat an intruder poses. I am of a mind that if someone seems to be trying to break into my home I have a duty to my family to stop them. and frankly I rather shoot through the door than shoot him in my living room.

[Talk2Bill]

I don't think I know enough of the details to answer that. For one thing, one article says the boy was a former football player. It doesn't say anything about the size, etc. of the homeowner. Also, if someone is so out of it that they can't tell a gun is in their face, etc., who knows what he would have done to "Dad."


yeah for all the home owner knows, maybe the intruder wanted to kill his dad.

i should not have to wait until there is a clear and imminent threat to me or my family or my property. and YES, if someone want to steal my stuff they are at risk of getting shot. (well okay not really but this is texas baby....

[DLaw911]

Do you remember the classic 'Ask Jimmy Carter' sketch on SNL? :))

http://www.veoh.com/collection/NBC-Saturday-Night-Live/watch/v2411004988TGCG3The old SNL was the best and always will be.
That sketch was really funny. Thanks.

[woa_trouble]

Kentucky. 4 Million people. 5 Last names.

[FidelisAdMortem]

Someone enters your home, the homeowner should not have to wait until they are attacked to respond back.

[DLaw911]

Someone enters your home, the homeowner should not have to wait until they are attacked to respond back.hehehe That "someone" could be the wife the homeowner wants to divorce. I presume you mean if someone enters without your consent. Yes, if the home is occupied (even if only a house guest) and a person enters illegally one does not have to astertain if that person is a trespasser or a burglar. There is no "retreat" rule and no "wait until you are attacked" rule.

[Talk2Bill]

hehehe That "someone" could be the wife the homeowner wants to divorce. I presume you mean if someone enters without your consent. Yes, if the home is occupied (even if only a house guest) and a person enters illegally one does not have to astertain if that person is a trespasser or a burglar. There is no "retreat" rule and no "wait until you are attacked" rule.

well yeah, at least that is the way it is in Texas. they do investigate it. and it is a huge pain. They take your weapon and they do try to ascertain if the person had a legitimate reason to be there or not. And contrary to what some will say, if the person has a legitimate reason to be there they are not going to be able to use castle as a get out of jail free card.

[Talk2Bill]

and in Texas you can shoot someone breaking into your tool shed as well as your home or even your garage--attacked or not or car. pretty much anywhere you are you can use deadly force to protect life, limb, or property of yourself and others (with limits on property of others).

[Panhead0422]

yeah for all the home owner knows, maybe the intruder wanted to kill his dad.

i should not have to wait until there is a clear and imminent threat to me or my family or my property. and YES, if someone want to steal my stuff they are at risk of getting shot. (well okay not really but this is texas baby....

An unknown and / or uninvited piece of garbage being in my home IS A CLEAR AND IMMINENT THREAT. DEADLY FORCE IS AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE.

[curtis123]

Sad story, a 18yo kid get's high on mushrooms and enters the wrong house. He calls the homeowner 'Dad' and starts walking towards him. The homeowner tells him to leave and that he has a gun but the kid keeps coming. The homeowner then shoots him, a fight starts afterwards and eventually police arrive. The kid dies later at the hospital...



http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/Sheriff-Jon-Hayden-Holds-News-Conference-On-Early/4_QoLm1kR066Lb17M0O99g.cspx

Just another day in the process of natural selection.

[Talk2Bill]

An unknown and / or uninvited piece of garbage being in my home IS A CLEAR AND IMMINENT THREAT. DEADLY FORCE IS AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE.

i disagree but it makes little legal difference. If it was a friend or the guy from a street over that is in diabetic distress and you kill them, you are going to feel bad.

and no law or legal right is going to make you feel any better.

[camarozz]

i disagree but it makes little legal difference. If it was a friend or the guy from a street over that is in diabetic distress and you kill them, you are going to feel bad.

and no law or legal right is going to make you feel any better.


Yes I would feel bad, but in the stress of it all and you have to make a judgement call. To me if they are in my house then they are a threat. I would have to ascertain to what extent before I shot.

My friends normally knock before entering, or at least do not break in during the middle of the night.

Usually diabetics to not become aggressive and randomly break into other houses; so those arguments do not hold much water.

[blackcatrun]

i disagree but it makes little legal difference. If it was a friend or the guy from a street over that is in diabetic distress and you kill them, you are going to feel bad.

and no law or legal right is going to make you feel any better.

I noticed in a lot of the storys about the use of deadly force by home owners had one thing in commen. Clear warnings first.

Because the intruders are thieves, drunks,drug addicts, or whackos the use of force is not taken lightly by those whom do use it in the storys I see about the reality of pulling the trigger.

It's a harsh condition we all have to live with and spend a great deal of money in alarms locks and even bars on the windows, in a nation that has a problem with wide spread drug abuse and that violence which comes with that abuse.

This kid made a mistake and was killed but it also makes one reflect what could have been a diffrent story had the kid gotten the right house, maybe violence against his parents? This story could have had a very diffrent ending at some point in this kids future because the kid was very forceful in his entering the wrong house.

One wont ever know thou.

[Pudge]

For every crazy shut in waiting to take a shot at a stranger there are several sex starved housewives waiting for a stranger to unexpectedly come to her door. Take heart... the odds are in your favor. ;)

Yeah... too bad I'd rather bag their husbands most of the time. :sigh:

[Pudge]

Don't stand directly in front of the door when you knock.

You know, I don't if I can help it. I always stand to the side and always look for ways off the porch or steps that aren't in the direct line of fire from the door. Some of my fellow drivers think I'm nuts, but when it comes to safety I don't take chances. Behind police officers and cab drivers, pizza delivery drivers are the next most likely to be murdered on the job, and many times it's lax safety or store policies that contribute to the death/robbery rate. As one friend of mine says, 'safety rules are written in blood'.

[johnrocks]

The MORON took an action that resulted in his death and the only ones I feel sorry for in this case are the home owner and his family.

Agreed.

[DLaw911]

You know, I don't if I can help it. I always stand to the side and always look for ways off the porch or steps that aren't in the direct line of fire from the door. Some of my fellow drivers think I'm nuts, but when it comes to safety I don't take chances. Behind police officers and cab drivers, pizza delivery drivers are the next most likely to be murdered on the job, and many times it's lax safety or store policies that contribute to the death/robbery rate. As one friend of mine says, 'safety rules are written in blood'.Are you deliverying those pepperoni and marijuana pizzas again :)

[Panhead0422]

i disagree but it makes little legal difference. If it was a friend or the guy from a street over that is in diabetic distress and you kill them, you are going to feel bad.

and no law or legal right is going to make you feel any better.

I don't much care who it was or is, I will regret the neccesity of killing them. I however will still be alive to regret having to kill them. They on the other hand will have no regrets about taking the action that got them killed.

[Samm]

Yeah... too bad I'd rather bag their husbands most of the time. :sigh:

Sounds like a matter of poor timing. ;)