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gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 4:28 pm
THIS JUST IN from www.militarycorruption.com

GLENN MILLER "MYSTERY" SOLVED AT LAST
65 YEARS AFTER ALLEGED PLANE CRASH INTO
ENGLISH CHANNEL, TRUTH FINALLY TOLD
RETIRED ARMY OFFICER ON GEN. BRADLEY'S
STAFF SAYS HIS INVESTIGATION PROVES MILLER
DIED IN PARIS IN DEC. 1944 - HUNTON DOWNS
TELLS MILITARYCORRUPTION.COM "SPY" FOR
NAZIS IN GEN. EISENHOWER'S HQTRS BETRAYED
MILLER MISSION TO MEET WITH GERMAN REP. OF
ANTI-HITLER FORCES TO BRING EARLY END TO
WAR IN EUROPE - 90 YEAR-OLD DOWNS (FRAIL
BUT ALERT) SAYS FAMED BAND LEADER'S NUDE
DEAD BODY DUMPED OUTSIDE PARIS BROTHEL

http://www.militarycorruption.com/glenmiller.htm

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 4:31 pm
Note: (Full disclosure, Major Mac, a veteran of three combat tours in the 'Nam, is an old
Vietnam friend and associate.)

GLENN MILLER "MYSTERY" SOLVED AT LAST
65 YEARS AFTER ALLEGED PLANE CRASH INTO
ENGLISH CHANNEL, TRUTH FINALLY TOLD
RETIRED ARMY OFFICER ON GEN. BRADLEY'S
STAFF SAYS HIS INVESTIGATION PROVES MILLER
DIED IN PARIS IN DEC. 1944 - HUNTON DOWNS
TELLS MILITARYCORRUPTION.COM "SPY" FOR
NAZIS IN GEN. EISENHOWER'S HQTRS BETRAYED
MILLER MISSION TO MEET WITH GERMAN REP. OF
ANTI-HITLER FORCES TO BRING EARLY END TO
WAR IN EUROPE - 90 YEAR-OLD DOWNS (FRAIL
BUT ALERT) SAYS FAMED BAND LEADER'S NUDE
DEAD BODY DUMPED OUTSIDE PARIS BROTHEL

http://www.militarycorruption.com/glenmiller.htm

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 4:37 pm
FYI,WIKIPEDIA////////Alton Glenn Miller (March 1, 1904 — missing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia) December 15, 1944), was an American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz) musician, arranger, composer, and band leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Band_leader) in the swing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_%28genre%29) era. He was one of the best-selling recording artists from 1939 to 1942, leading one of the best known "Big Bands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_band)". Miller's signature recordings include In the Mood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Mood), Tuxedo Junction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuxedo_Junction), Chattanooga Choo Choo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattanooga_Choo_Choo), Moonlight Serenade (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_Serenade_%28song%29), Little Brown Jug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Brown_Jug_%28song%29) and Pennsylvania 6-5000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_6-5000).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Miller#cite_note-0) While traveling to entertain U.S. troops in France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France) during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), Miller's plane disappeared in bad weather. His body has never been found.

41woodie
July 30th, 2009, 4:39 pm
Well that's certainly a possibility, no one will ever know for sure. I would place the probabilities as right around those for an alien space craft landing in Disneyworld and unloading a crew that all looked exactly like Geraldo Rivera.

Long Island Bob
July 30th, 2009, 4:44 pm
just in?

the book describing that whacky theory has been out for months


http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Miller-Conspiracy-Never-Before-Told-Story/dp/0977913163/
From Publishers Weekly
Journalist and WWII-veteran Downs has spent the last 50 years investigating the mysterious circumstances of the disappearance of big band leader Glenn Miller as his plane flew over the English Channel in 1944. Downss intriguing if far-fetched look at Millers final days presents a radical argument: Miller, an army major, was a U.S. spy who died while attempting to deliver a secret message from Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, who was requesting a group of German generals to join a top-secret operation to disrupt Hitlers war plans. Using his access to secret documents before and after the war ended, Downs makes a strong argument that Miller was captured in France by Nazi spies and tortured and killed during an unsuccessful interrogation in Paris to get him to reveal information about the operation. Downs interviews a number of U.S. troops who saw Millers dead body dumped outside a Parisian brothel, and he argues that the U.S. Army High Command created the fake story of Millers disappearance to keep the Nazis from claiming that they had broken Millers spirit. While Downss research has some merit, his breathlessly written suppositions sometimes read like the worst JFK assassination books. (Jan.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

Buffalo
July 30th, 2009, 4:46 pm
Ummm, this is an old theory and you are awesome gringoman. I wonder if Glenn Miller looked like his dad?

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 4:47 pm
Well that's certainly a possibility, no one will ever know for sure. I would place the probabilities as right around those for an alien space craft landing in Disneyworld and unloading a crew that all looked exactly like Geraldo Rivera.

I'm withholding judgement. I heard a four-hour interview about this. It was very, very interesting, but you don't know what to believe on Coast-to-Coast late night, do you? I go by how interesting the story sounds. Even if the guy was making it up, he would have needed years to make it as plausible as he did, and he names enough well-known names that it should be fairly easy to shoot down if it's not true.

Who knows Glenn Miller today? Back then, his name was about as big as it gets in popular music.

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 4:53 pm
just in?

the book describing that whacky theory has been out for months


http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Miller-Conspiracy-Never-Before-Told-Story/dp/0977913163/
From Publishers Weekly
Journalist and WWII-veteran Downs has spent the last 50 years investigating the mysterious circumstances of the disappearance of big band leader Glenn Miller as his plane flew over the English Channel in 1944. Downss intriguing if far-fetched look at Millers final days presents a radical argument: Miller, an army major, was a U.S. spy who died while attempting to deliver a secret message from Gen. Dwight Eisenhower, who was requesting a group of German generals to join a top-secret operation to disrupt Hitlers war plans. Using his access to secret documents before and after the war ended, Downs makes a strong argument that Miller was captured in France by Nazi spies and tortured and killed during an unsuccessful interrogation in Paris to get him to reveal information about the operation. Downs interviews a number of U.S. troops who saw Millers dead body dumped outside a Parisian brothel, and he argues that the U.S. Army High Command created the fake story of Millers disappearance to keep the Nazis from claiming that they had broken Millers spirit. While Downss research has some merit, his breathlessly written suppositions sometimes read like the worst JFK assassination books. (Jan.)
Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

The post said THIS JUST IN from MCC. I heard a 4-hour interview on this months ago. The book and the old interview does not mean that MCC has nothing new on the story. MCC is in touch with the author. We call things like this "updates." Okay, maybe to cross all the t's and dot all the i's, I should have said 'THIS UPDATE JUST IN...." Got it.

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 5:00 pm
Re everyone who sees this as a "wacky" theory. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. I'm willing to withhold judgement until everyone knowledgeable can do their agreeing or disagreeing. The man who seems to be breaking this story is 90 years old and was in a position to know something. If you think that at that age he is hell-bent on perpetrating a fraud, I have no interest in arguing the point. I'm willing to wait and see how this settles out. But just calling it "wacky" won't hack it in any court or other evidentiary setting. At the very least, I need to see how the book is reviewed. If the book is universally pooh-pooh-ed, that would be significant. The 4-hour radio interview I heard months ago was compelling. But I'm not an expert on that period. Maybe someone who knows that period intimately would have a different reaction to the extended interview.

treadmill
July 30th, 2009, 5:03 pm
Man oh man. Jimmy Stewart wouldn't have liked that!! A brothel?

XTankLt
July 30th, 2009, 5:09 pm
Sorry, Wrong secret mission. Glenn Miller actually participated in a super secret drug test. Besides immortality, he has super strength...


A super, duper top secret photo below!


http://www.smcomics.com/capt_america_color_copy_small.jpg

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 5:42 pm
While listening to that 4-hour interview some months ago on late night Coast to Coast....

When they do UFO's etc, I usually tune out. Occasionally (I only get to hear it once a week) they do something I can't remove my ears from. This Glenn Miller "mystery" was one of those. Astounding, and yet, the guy obviously knew something, even if you choose to think he was working years on making this up.

Did I believe his story?

I didn't know enough to believe it or not believe it. If anybody here does know enough, don't hold back. Fill us in. "Wacky" is just an opinion, a feeling, not a point of information or insight.

Could this story be true? I don't know. Could it be a movie? Yes. OMG, yes---if Hollywood can ever do something like that again.

5thIDSoldier
July 30th, 2009, 5:42 pm
I give it zero credibility.

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 5:50 pm
I give it zero credibility.

Gut instinct or assessment of his story?

If latter, can you explain? If former, no further explanation needed.

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 5:59 pm
gringoNOTE: Here's a book review that's pretty skeptical.....


04/03/09
Sarah (http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/122647-sarah) rated it: http://www.goodreads.com/images/layout/stars/red_star_3_of_5.gif?1248979834


bookshelves: read-in-2009 (http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/122647?shelf=read-in-2009), released (http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/122647?shelf=released), review-copy (http://www.goodreads.com/review/list/122647?shelf=review-copy)

Read in July, 2009
Glenn Miller was a big band leader of superstar proportions. His music is still played. If you only know one Big Band or one song from the 1940s you'll probably know Glenn Miller and his Orchestra and "In the Mood." What you might not know is that he went MIA during WWII, presumably in a crash over the Channel. Further more, you might not know that there have been numerous conspiracy theories about his disappearance over the years. The Glenn Miller Conspiracy by Hunton Downs is the lat...more (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2076987.The_Glenn_Miller_Conspiracy_The_Secret_Sto ry_of_His_Life_and_Death#) Glenn Miller was a big band leader of superstar proportions. His music is still played. If you only know one Big Band or one song from the 1940s you'll probably know Glenn Miller and his Orchestra and "In the Mood." What you might not know is that he went MIA during WWII, presumably in a crash over the Channel. Further more, you might not know that there have been numerous conspiracy theories about his disappearance over the years. The Glenn Miller Conspiracy by Hunton Downs is the latest theory.

This short book starts off strong with outlining the history of events as first reported (both versions) and then goes about finding holes in both theories. Hunton Downs goes on to outline his theory that Miller was actually captured and tortured for information and then left for dead in a Paris Brothel. Unfortunately all of this is accomplished in the first chapter leaving the rest of the book to flounder.

The second chapter has some brief biographical information on Miller's early life and some thoughts on why he would have been perfect for such a dangerous mission. Apparently having German ancestry and a fair to middling grasp of the language is enough during times of war to be sent off to be a spy. On the other hand as Downs points out, most celebrity service men were given safer jobs acting as moral boosters to the troops, offering free publicity to the Allies and of course propaganda against the Axis. It doesn't make sense that Miller would be different from the others in his position. From my own family's experience in the war, those who were fluent in German ended up as MPs of the German speaking prisoners of war.

The remainder of the book devolves into something akin to The Best Friend I Never Had, the biography of Ernest Hemingway I recently reviewed. Instead of the research being put into Downs's own words with endnotes or footnotes to back up his theories and conclusions, he just paraphrases or does lengthy quotes from the people he interviewed. Then the last fifty or so pages are blurry photocopies of all his documentation rather than a more standard (and academic) bibliography.

While I have learned about the existence of conspiracy theories about Glenn Miller's death I am not convinced that Hunton Downs's theory is correct. My interest might be piqued enough to learn more about the artist and his music but I will start with more credible sources. (less) (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2076987.The_Glenn_Miller_Conspiracy_The_Secret_Sto ry_of_His_Life_and_Death#)


http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2076987.The_Glenn_Miller_Conspiracy_The_Secret_Sto ry_of_His_Life_and_Death

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 6:13 pm
I think the consensus here is that the 90-year old guy who's been studying this for 40 years or so is spinning a tale about Glenn Miller's "secret mission." I'm not agreeing or disagreeing. But I ask the following: Assuming that's what the old guy is doing, can anyone speculate on his motivation? Is he incredibly stupid, or amazingly dishonest?

avergbear
July 30th, 2009, 6:23 pm
Man oh man. Jimmy Stewart wouldn't have liked that!! A brothel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uDvPuXBT7M

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 6:28 pm
I give it zero credibility.

Does that mean you find his debunking of the official story to have "zero credibility?

This is the excerpt from Major Mac's MCC report......

"CRASH IN CHANNEL" STORY A "COVER-UP" FOR THE TRUTH
The heroic "myth" that Miller's plane went down in bad weather in the English Channel in December of that fateful year, was born of wartime necessity. The aircraft—a single-engine Norseman—was never found, and although numerous theories have been offered as to what really happened to Alton G. Miller, the epitome of Middle America and "musical magic" of that time, Downs has the most documented findings.

One of the first clues that the "official version" of Miller's death was wrong—dramatically portrayed by Jimmy Stewart in the great 1950's movie "The Glenn Miller Story"—was the MACR (Missing Air Crew Report) on file at Maxwell AFB in Alabama since the end of World War II.

Dipping into Scotland Yard, RAF records in England (the "Ansell Report") and The Imperial War Museum in London, as well as extremely valuable investigative documents discovered by the late Miller researcher Wilbur Wright, Downs discovered the "adjutant's signature" on the "official" form had been "falsified," and Miller's name had been "added to the passenger list" (different typewriters had been used).

"The falsifiers had even gotten destinations wrong, trying to fit in pre-conceived plans of what Supreme Headquarters (Gen. Eisenhower) claimed had taken place," Downs said.


http://www.militarycorruption.com/glenmiller.htm







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avergbear
July 30th, 2009, 6:28 pm
The History Channel put forth a more believable theory.

There was an area designated over the English Channel where U.S. and British Bombers would drop their bombs on aborted missions as it was too dangerous to land with a bomb load.

Millers small plain flew into this area and according to my memory of the story on the History Channel, such an event occurred at the same time Miller’s plane was on route to France.

According to this theory, the plane accidently flew into this area and was destroyed in this bomb drop.

To me, this is as likely as anything. Or, it could have been just good old fashioned mechanical failure or bad weather.

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 6:39 pm
The History Channel put forth a more believable theory.

There was an area designated over the English Channel where U.S. and British Bombers would drop their bombs on aborted missions as it was too dangerous to land with a bomb load.

Millers small plain flew into this area and according to my memory of the story on the History Channel, such an event occurred at the same time Miller’s plane was on route to France.

According to this theory, the plane accidently flew into this area and was destroyed in this bomb drop.

To me, this is as likely as anything. Or, it could have been just good old fashioned mechanical failure or bad weather.

The former Lt. Col. in post below (excerpt from MCC report) debunks the official story. So we'll put you down as not finding his debunking credible?

avergbear
July 30th, 2009, 6:45 pm
The former Lt. Col. in post below (excerpt from MCC report) debunks the official story. So we'll put you down as not finding his debunking credible?


I prefer to just remember Glen Miller for his music.

Chill out and enjoy ‘American Patrol.’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-lBi5r6Jk

41woodie
July 30th, 2009, 6:48 pm
The bomb drop story is the one I remember, boy talk about bad luck the odds of getting hit by a bomb dropped above another aircraft are pretty high. Not saying it can't happen just really lousy luck

avergbear
July 30th, 2009, 6:50 pm
The bomb drop story is the one I remember, boy talk about bad luck the odds of getting hit by a bomb dropped above another aircraft are pretty high. Not saying it can't happen just really lousy luck

A bomb would not necessarily have to hit the plane. Miller was flying in a small single engine plane at low altitude. The concussion of exploding bombs in a close proximity could easily have downed the small aircraft.

Samm
July 30th, 2009, 8:25 pm
Uh... is there a point to this thread? :eh:

avergbear
July 30th, 2009, 8:27 pm
Uh... is there a point to this thread? :eh:


Yes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYo6G8RBjAE

Army Wife
July 30th, 2009, 9:34 pm
Well that's certainly a possibility, no one will ever know for sure. I would place the probabilities as right around those for an alien space craft landing in Disneyworld and unloading a crew that all looked exactly like Geraldo Rivera.


:eek:
I always thought there was ..."something"....about Rivera

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 10:45 pm
gringoNOTE: my friend, Major Mac, who's been in contact with former Lt. Col. Hunton Downs, who was on the staff of famed General Omar Bradley, finds the results of Downs' 40-60 year investigation credible. I haven't been investigating this, am aware of many skeptics, and am keeping an open mind. Here's an intriguing excerpt from Mac's report today at www.militarycorruption.com/.........

"Broderick Crawford, the Academy-Award winning movie actor, was a close friend and drinking buddy of Miller's," Downs told an MCC reporter. "He served as announcer for the band's radio broadcasts and live performances in England. Before the star of "ALL THE KING'S MEN" died, Crawford told Downs, during a booze binge in Paris that loosened his lips, that his hero, Glenn Miller, had "been on a mission for Ike" and been "killed in the effort."

http://www.militarycorruption.com/glenmiller.htm

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 10:50 pm
[quote=gringoman;58619341]gringoNOTE: my friend, Major Mac, who's been in contact with former Lt. Col. Hunton Downs, who was on the staff of famed General Omar Bradley, finds the results of Downs' 40-60 year investigation credible. I haven't been investigating this, am aware of many skeptics, and am keeping an open mind. Here's an intriguing excerpt from Mac's report today at www.militarycorruption.com/ (http://www.militarycorruption.com/).........

"Broderick Crawford, the Academy-Award winning movie actor, was a close friend and drinking buddy of Miller's," Downs told an MCC reporter. "He served as announcer for the band's radio broadcasts and live performances in England. Before the star of "ALL THE KING'S MEN" died, Crawford told Downs, during a booze binge in Paris that loosened his lips, that his hero, Glenn Miller, had "been on a mission for Ike" and been "killed in the effort."



http://www.militarycorruption.com/glenmiller.htm



Looks like there's only one of three possibilities here.

1. Broderick Crawford, liquored up, was telling a whopper to Lt. Col. Downs, for some reason.
2. Downs is lying to us about what Broderick Crawford told him
3. Glenn Miller really had "been on a mission for Ike."

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 11:02 pm
Originally Posted by Samm http://forums.hannity.com/firestorm/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=58612861#post58612861)
Uh... is there a point to this thread?


Maybe only for those who know there was a time when top entertainers asked not what their country could do for them, but what they could do for their country.

gringoman
July 30th, 2009, 11:11 pm
I prefer to just remember Glen Miller for his music.

Chill out and enjoy ‘American Patrol.’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-lBi5r6Jk

Now that reminds me of what Lt. Col. Hunton Downs said. Glenn Miller, to the Nazis dismay, was very popular in Germany too, and not just because he spoke German.

Home of the FREE!
July 30th, 2009, 11:32 pm
Sorry, Wrong secret mission. Glenn Miller actually participated in a super secret drug test. Besides immortality, he has super strength...


A super, duper top secret photo below!


http://www.smcomics.com/capt_america_color_copy_small.jpg

This could NOT be him.

The picture clearly shows a Captain and Miller was a Major!

Claymore
July 30th, 2009, 11:40 pm
This just in,,,,,,


Generalissimo Francisco Franco of Spain is STILL dead,,,



Film at 11!

Darkblade
July 31st, 2009, 12:26 am
reality isn't any fun for some people unless there are space aliens cavorting around and mooning the english and messing up corn fields, elvis is alive, the moon landings fake, monoliths on the moon, iiiilllooooooOOOOOooominati conspiracies to kill celebrities in the dim past...

Samm
July 31st, 2009, 2:27 am
Maybe only for those who know there was a time when top entertainers asked not what their country could do for them, but what they could do for their country.
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And so to demonstrate that you care, you dredge up some wacko conspiracy idea that Glenn Miller's nude body was dumped outside a brothel? I don't get it. :eh:

troy
July 31st, 2009, 2:35 am
When I'm 90, I'll tell you what really happened to Elvis.

Samm
July 31st, 2009, 2:45 am
When I'm 90, I'll tell you what really happened to Elvis.

How old are you now? :eh:

troy
July 31st, 2009, 2:47 am
how old are you now? :eh:

46.

Samm
July 31st, 2009, 3:00 am
46.

I can't wait that long; tell me now.

gringoman
July 31st, 2009, 8:41 pm
And so to demonstrate that you care, you dredge up some wacko conspiracy idea that Glenn Miller's nude body was dumped outside a brothel? I don't get it. :eh:

To get it you definitely have to read more than just the headlines. The idea of the Nazis and the clever Goebbels (according to Hunton Down) was to put you exactly in that frame of mind. According to Down (who has been following this case for 60 years) the Nazis discovered Miller's mission due to a Nazi spy. They then executed him and dumped the body in a Paris brothel. They understood exactly how that would affect Americans, including, it appears, you.

I don't know enough to know if the story that Down has been pursuing for six decades is basically true or not true. I've heard plenty of "wacko" but not much evidence as to why the story is impossible. About the Nazis dumping the body at a Paris brothel, and Americans wanting to cover that up for obvious reasons does not in itself seem at all "wacko." Whether it happened or not, I don't know. But just to call it "wacko" without supporting that claim strikes me as silly, superficial, even arrogant. If an alternative ending has been proven, that's different. As far as I know, there has been no definitive proof for any of the other alternatives, so far. If there has been, let somebody post it here. I'll be glad to look at it.

JohnRandolph
July 31st, 2009, 9:04 pm
I found a witness who was at the brothel....













http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/kilroy1.jpg

jimjames418
July 31st, 2009, 10:29 pm
I don't believe it. I believe his plane went down while flying over the English Channel, as was reported. I listened to the reports on the radio at the time, and read the newspapers about what happened.

BillBrown
July 31st, 2009, 10:48 pm
To get it you definitely have to read more than just the headlines. The idea of the Nazis and the clever Goebbels (according to Hunton Down) was to put you exactly in that frame of mind. According to Down (who has been following this case for 60 years) the Nazis discovered Miller's mission due to a Nazi spy. They then executed him and dumped the body in a Paris brothel. They understood exactly how that would affect Americans, including, it appears, you.

I don't know enough to know if the story that Down has been pursuing for six decades is basically true or not true. I've heard plenty of "wacko" but not much evidence as to why the story is impossible. About the Nazis dumping the body at a Paris brothel, and Americans wanting to cover that up for obvious reasons does not in itself seem at all "wacko." Whether it happened or not, I don't know. But just to call it "wacko" without supporting that claim strikes me as silly, superficial, even arrogant. If an alternative ending has been proven, that's different. As far as I know, there has been no definitive proof for any of the other alternatives, so far. If there has been, let somebody post it here. I'll be glad to look at it.

It's standard operating procedure, on this board, to label anything as "wacko" that doesn't fit conventional thought.

Dual867PowerMac
July 31st, 2009, 11:35 pm
Well that's certainly a possibility, no one will ever know for sure. I would place the probabilities as right around those for an alien space craft landing in Disneyworld and unloading a crew that all looked exactly like Geraldo Rivera.
:))

I guess they're looking for the blood-drinking lizard people. :cool:

Samm
August 1st, 2009, 4:58 pm
I don't believe it. I believe his plane went down while flying over the English Channel, as was reported. I listened to the reports on the radio at the time, and read the newspapers about what happened.

Yep... There were dozens of witnesses who saw him get on the plane... there was no way all that Nazi conspiracy stuff could have happened before the plane was reported missing. I am always amazed how so many well documented historical facts can be tossed under the bus by some people based on the say so of some anonymous source or rumor. The Kennedy assassination, the moon landings and WTC attack are some of the most notable cases in point, but there are thousands of others, like this one or Amelia Earhart that are pretty much the same kind of wacko nonsense bases solely on a strong desire to believe something other than the obvious.

Samm
August 1st, 2009, 4:59 pm
It's standard operating procedure, on this board, to label anything as "wacko" that doesn't fit conventional thought.

... or which is wacko. :razz:

gringoman
August 1st, 2009, 5:36 pm
I don't believe it. I believe his plane went down while flying over the English Channel, as was reported. I listened to the reports on the radio at the time, and read the newspapers about what happened.

Can we assume you're not referring to the NY Times? Its correspondent in the Soviet Union for years reported on what a terrific guy Joseph Stalin was. Stalin was a sensitive Premier with a deep respect for human life. In fact, the reports were considered so good, the Times' correspondent won a Pulitzer Prize for them.

jimjames418
August 1st, 2009, 6:21 pm
Can we assume you're not referring to the NY Times? Its correspondent in the Soviet Union for years reported on what a terrific guy Joseph Stalin was. Stalin was a sensitive Premier with a deep respect for human life. In fact, the reports were considered so good, the Times' correspondent won a Pulitzer Prize for them.
Wall Street Journal which recported his plane had taken off from an airfield near Bedford, England, on a flight to Paris, where he was to give a show.

Official reports on the disappearance indicated that ice on the plane's wings may have disabled the craft.

Edit to add: On that date more than half of the bomber missions were cancelled due to the weather.

gringoman
August 3rd, 2009, 3:40 pm
Wall Street Journal which recported his plane had taken off from an airfield near Bedford, England, on a flight to Paris, where he was to give a show.

Official reports on the disappearance indicated that ice on the plane's wings may have disabled the craft.

Edit to add: On that date more than half of the bomber missions were cancelled due to the weather.

I'm not disputing the WSJ report. I concede that it might---repeat--might have happened exactly like that.

And let's assume that is what happened beyond the shadow of a doubt. How to account for Lt. Col. Hunton Down, who is not your ordinary conspiracy buff, or somebody reporting a UFO in his back yard. He was there, a participant, on Eisenhower's staff. What would account for him spending the entire rest of his long life on the "secret mission" story? 5 years, maybe. 10 years, possibly. 20 years, conceivably. But 60 years?

How to account for that?